Angled toms

[bowchicawowwow]

okay, so i've been reading through the n00b things people have done thread, and saw a lot of people say they angled their toms. then i was looking through the pictures of peoples sets, and a lot of them had angled toms.

what's the pros and cons of angled toms..?

[Vannaroth]

When people say "angled toms" in the n00b things thread, they mean like 90 degree angles, obviously having your toms slightly angled is sometimes required, but extreme angles damage drumheads, sticks and wrists (or so ive picked up)

[DillingerEscp]

if the heads are too perpendicular with the ground, itd be really hard to do rolls on them, rimshots would be impossible, and just generally uncomfortable feel.

if the heads are too parallel with the ground, then itsharder to hit the head, might just hit the rim and no head,... yet again, its just uncomfortable.

[Sunshine]

If they heads are facing you too much, its harder to do rimshots and..well..you have to bend your wrist funny.

[Caleb3221]

Also, if your drums are angled towards you too much, it's much more difficult to control the rebound.

[fishbulb]

you have to bend your wrist funny.

Thus leading to various drumming injuries if you continue to play like that.

[Ming-a-Ling]

They're referring to stuff like this.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~htsang/starwave/drum/1.jpg
http://static.zoovy.com/img/sjpacific/W450-H337-Bf0f0f0/200511/mm_blue_miniature_drum_set.jpg

[bowchicawowwow]

ah, okay. thanks guys. i usually have mine angled about 20-25 degrees, so i was just curious.

[Vannaroth]

They're referring to stuff like this.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~htsang/starwave/drum/1.jpg
[IG]http://static.zoovy.com/img/sjpacific/W450-H337-Bf0f0f0/200511/mm_blue_miniature_drum_set.jpg[/IMG]

:lol: that must be a joke

[fishbulb]

They're referring to stuff like this.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~htsang/starwave/drum/1.jpg

Look at that snare drum. And the throne is small enough to go up someone's arse.

And my toms are also at 20 degrees or so. Actually, probably more.

[sportsfan4427]

hahaha that picture is funny so many things wrong with it

[othankheavenfor311]

http://members.iinet.net.au/~htsang/starwave/drum/1.jpg
http://static.zoovy.com/img/sjpacific/W450-H337-Bf0f0f0/200511/mm_blue_miniature_drum_set.jpg

lmao... i made sum noob mistakes like buying ZBT's and such but never anything quite tht bad.... and im pretty sure the first is definetly a joke :thumb:

[MatthewMeredith]

I think toms angled so that they're facing each other is a lot worse than angled down... Well, depends how angled down I guess... But you get my point.

[Disgrace]

Lets all remember that its not hardcore to have drums angled more than 90 degrees, and above your head. Much like Travis Barker hats. Remember, they are hi-hats, not high hats.

[Nicko_Shmicko]

Lets all remember that its not hardcore to have drums angled more than 90 degrees, and above your head. Much like Travis Barker hats. Remember, they are hi-hats, not high hats.

great pun! :smash:

[Sean]

That first picture is probably not a joke at all...It usually happens when people sell cheap no name stuff on ebay and have no idea how to set it up...

http://static.zoovy.com/img/surfcitymusic/-/predator_drums/pred9blkhi_res
http://i12.ebayimg.com/01/i/07/c8/97/21_1.JPG

[Sunshine]

Thus leading to various drumming injuries if you continue to play like that.

Well, yeaaah...I figured that was kind of a given.

Pretty much any time you have to bend a part of your body in a funny [what-the-hell funny, not ha-ha funny] and uncomfortable way repeatedly it ends in injury.

[Motleyguy]

Everybody always rags on angled toms...personally I have very little angle to my toms, but I have noticed that alot of old school guys, especially metal drummers, have some pretty intense angles to their toms. For example, I saw Slayer last week, and Dave Lombardo (who threw a bottle at my truck when I pointed out it was him to my buddy) has some pretty sick angles, so does Nicko McBrain from Iron Maiden for that matter.

[Inpropagation]

Everybody always rags on angled toms...personally I have very little angle to my toms, but I have noticed that alot of old school guys, especially metal drummers, have some pretty intense angles to their toms. For example, I saw Slayer last week, and Dave Lombardo (who threw a bottle at my truck when I pointed out it was him to my buddy) has some pretty sick angles, so does Nicko McBrain from Iron Maiden for that matter.

They also use giant toms..on giant bass drums.

[Motleyguy]

Not really, Lombardo's drums didn't look any bigger than average, I think it's either a 22 or a 24" bass.

[maniac0796]

Nicko excuse's are:

A. his toms are huge
B. He sits very low, so he doesn't get any wrist injuries

[Caleb3221]

http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drum/dpa11/DaveLombardo3.jpg
Lombardos toms are also slightly high and he sits fairly far back. The angle of his wrists when he hits them is not particularly bad, and for a lot of his toms, it would be impossible to hit them if they were flatter. Notice how his floor toms and things that are easy to reach are pretty close to flat.

[Cocaberry]

Everybody always rags on angled toms...personally I have very little angle to my toms, but I have noticed that alot of old school guys, especially metal drummers, have some pretty intense angles to their toms.

Yeah. Alot of those guys wear gloves too but don't get flamed for it.

Some guy comes on MX with angles like Lombardo's and wearing gloves and he's going to get flamed to death no matter who he is. Probably because most of the people here don't play speed metal. They play punk rock ska type sh*t, jazz, or just plain rock.

[Vannaroth]

Everybody always rags on angled toms...personally I have very little angle to my toms, but I have noticed that alot of old school guys, especially metal drummers, have some pretty intense angles to their toms. For example, I saw Slayer last week, and Dave Lombardo (who threw a bottle at my truck when I pointed out it was him to my buddy) has some pretty sick angles, so does Nicko McBrain from Iron Maiden for that matter.
wow what an as‪shole

[pitchfork]

I have my tom's angled very very minimally, around 1 inch.
My snare is less than half an inch if not flat.

[Caleb3221]

Do people really get flamed for wearing gloves? I haven't heard that, and I'd like explanation. Who cares about the fashion choices of other drummers enough to make it a cliche as much as tom angles are?

[Bub]

wow what an as‪shole

yeah why the hell would he do that?

[Josiah]

Do people really get flamed for wearing gloves? I haven't heard that, and I'd like explanation. Who cares about the fashion choices of other drummers enough to make it a cliche as much as tom angles are?
Gloves?! HAHahhaha


What in the world do you need gloves for? Of course people get flamed for it. I don't care how big of a drummer you are. I'll make fun of you for wearing gloves to your face.


What does Metal have to do with Gloves?

Buddy Rich, Tony Williams, etc those guys played WAY faster and didn't need gloves... shoot they did it in suits with dress shoes.


Tom ankles should be set to hit through the tom, while sitting with proper posture. The steeper the angle, the less direct the attack. If the stick arc is followed through the line of where the head is, where does the stick end up...?
The steeper the angle, the less uniform the impact pressure on the head, thus effecting tone.


Simply look at how most pro's are setup and think "Gosh maybe they know what they are doing.."

[Caleb3221]

Do people wear gloves to play faster? I thought people wore gloves because they thought they looked good.

[pitchfork]

Nah there's some idiots who see gloves (usually aheads) and go "OMG LYK DAT WILL MAKE MY PLAYIN LYK A JILLION TIMEZ FASTA" when infact its absolute bollocks.
Newtons first law of motion prooves that because the gloves aren't in motion and therefore do not add to the acceleration, if anything they slow you down slightly by adding mass.

They claim to give you better grip as well, personally I don't believe a word of it.

[Drum Phil]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rancid_punk/mazkit.jpg

Haha :(

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

Nicko excuse's are:
A. his toms are huge


His most angled tom is either a 6" or an 8", I forget. Very small. At his clinic tour on the premier roadshow he just said he likes it that way.

~~

[Mirror.Circuit]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rancid_punk/mazkit.jpg

Haha :(

i still cringe every time i see that,phil.

[Banshee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rancid_punk/mazkit.jpg



If the drum is that high, it's gotta be angled or your not going to hit it.
Maybe not to that extent though.

[crazyguy832]

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9231/img0788fe8.jpg

Mmmm... flatness.

[Drum Monkey]

Flatter toms are not any better than angled toms. It all depends on your set-up, sizes, positioning, preference, etc. As long as they're not doing any damage to anything, who cares?

-DM

[crazyguy832]

It can be bad, though.

Something I heard a while ago is to hit your tom and then leave the stick touching the head. The stick should be between 1/2" - 1 1/2" above the rim. It seems like a good guide to me.

[Drum Monkey]

It can be bad, though.

Something I heard a while ago is to hit your tom and then leave the stick touching the head. The stick should be between 1/2" - 1 1/2" above the rim. It seems like a good guide to me.
Yes and if it's not around that, it's not proper technique, right? Therefore it is doing damage...

-DM

[crazyguy832]

Yeah, basically. If it's lower, you need to either raise your arms or angle your toms. If it's higher... rethink your setup.

[Mirror.Circuit]

Flatter toms are not any better than angled toms. It all depends on your set-up, sizes, positioning, preference, etc. As long as they're not doing any damage to anything, who cares?

-DM
your wrists,more than likely.

[Sean]

crazyguy832: Just curious...Is the closest cymbal stand mounted on a block of wood?

[crazyguy832]

crazyguy832: Just curious...Is the closest cymbal stand mounted on a block of wood?
Yes.

:naughty:

It used to be mounted in my bass drum, but after I got my medium tom fixed I had to mount it on the floor somewhere. Lacking cash, I got out some old 4x4's from our shed's construction (it was finished :P), nailed them together, drilled a hole, and voila!

The thing's actually really sturdy, too. If I pick up the metal, the wood comes with it.

:smoke:

[Cocaberry]

What does Metal have to do with Gloves?


It seems most of the people who wear gloves play in metal or speed metal bands. IE Dave Lombardo, Vinnie Paul, Tommy Lee, Jason Bittner, etc...

[Banshee]

It seems most of the people who wear gloves play in metal or speed metal bands. IE Dave Lombardo, Vinnie Paul, Tommy Lee, Jason Bittner, etc...
The only reason i could think why anyone would wear gloves is to prevent blisters?

[Toaster]

And to improve grip, I would think.

[cliffisanarcissist]

flat toms will raise your chances of CT. The angle should be in a way that will allow you to hit the drum with your wrist in a straight position.

[TormentorScott]

Buddy Rich, Tony Williams, etc those guys played WAY faster and didn't need gloves... shoot they did it in suits with dress shoes.


Yeah that always brings a smile to my face while watching older drum videos. :)

I don't see having a little extra grip as being a bad thing. Although I think gloves look a bit goofy and "tough guy"-ish. I like some griptape on my stick. Do I need it? No. But it makes life slightly easier for some people.

Some like the feel of smooth wood and some people like the feel of rubber. It all depends on the style I'm playing personally. And I've forced two drum teachers to criticize the hell out of my grip. I wanted to make sure it was perfect, as I'm obsessive about stuff like that.

[TormentorScott]

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9231/img0788fe8.jpg

Mmmm... flatness.

Yeah, I would never be able to play that setup COMFORTABLY unless I sat very high.

And I like to think I have pretty damn good technique.

[pitchfork]

flat toms will raise your chances of CT. The angle should be in a way that will allow you to hit the drum with your wrist in a straight position.
Yes and if you sit at a sensible height you can hit toms with a tiny angle correctly.
When people use like 45 degree angles they usually bend thier wrists a hell of a lot so they don't pit the heads to ****.

Come on mine are nearly flat and I have no problems hitting them.

[crazyguy832]

Yeah, I would never be able to play that setup COMFORTABLY unless I sat very high.

And I like to think I have pretty damn good technique.
I have a bit of an odd body. Think Calvin's (from Calvin and Hobbes, man). I have short legs and a long torso.

5'10", same as my dad, but I've easily got an extra 3" of torso on him. I don't sit that high, my legs are roughly 100 degrees at the knee heel-up.

So, in essence... tall torso = flat toms.

:chug:

[Mirror.Circuit]

The only reason i could think why anyone would wear gloves is to prevent blisters?
that's the only reason i wear them.
when i want to play and my blisters are sore.
other than that,i hate them.
they look ridiculous.

[Caleb3221]

I don't have a probelm with flat toms(In most of my setups my toms are completley flat, but I do sit very high by most people's standards too), but the thing that gets me about that setup is I've never been able to figure out a comfortable setup with the toms that high above the snare. Do I keep my toms high and my snare low? Either my snare ends up between my legs and rimshots are impossible, or the toms are just too high. Even if I could reach them both comfortably, it seems having less distance makes it easier to go from the snare to the toms quickly, since I don't have to move my hands as much.

[Josiah]

Gloves, Tape, Wax, etc.. You know what those are? Crutches.



You're abbility to pick up pretty much any pair of sticks, and play on pretty much any reasonably setup kit, in front of people - that's your abbility as a drummer.



Anything more, is a crutch. A personal weakness that need be overcome by using equipment. Since all we do, is swing sticks around. It's the absolute priority. Having a crutch related to holding the sticks just seems absolutely absurd. And it is.


Those metal gays... oh i meant guys.. use gloves for show, and sponors. Example - David S. from Korn used both Ahead sticks and Ahead gloves. I spent tiem with him personally over a summer while he was getting his grip fixed due to serious tendonitis issues.

Why? Technique. The gloves, sticks, whatever willy nilly gimmicks they can come up with are just that. Gimmicks.

[jalel]

^Don't forget, we drop our feet on pedals too;)