Bass Selection Help

[Spencer]

Right now I have a 1989 stingray. Its action is super low and I love how it feels. However I really want a jazz and well, Winter's Custom Jazz seems perfect. Its hand made and rare wich to me means alot. Im sure you all know but, if you don't he is asking 450$. Only thing keeping me from going for it is, well I don't know how "well" it was made. I mean with my stingray I can put 2 dimes under the E string at the 21st fret and they stay there. I like my action low.

And I want to make it active, tho Im not sure how active would work with two volumes and a tone..... but I would have to cut a slot for the 9v. Or would it fit in the cavity?

Anyway has anyone here bought anything from him and can say anything about the neck's construction wether its good or bad and what the bass compares to. MIM or MIA jazz.

NavyBass if you read this. Since you built the bass I guess you know something about it. I will take your word for it on what you think about the construction, or what it compares to. ect. Is there anyway, that if I absolutely hate the bass you will accpt a return? I mean if I find that something on it is horrible like the neck sucks or I just don't find it playable.

Im really digging this bass just wondering what you guys think. I don't have a real connection with my stingray, im starting to get sick of the tone I fell in love with. Plus im needing the extra cash I could make off of it.

[Naveed Afzal]

JP seems like a decent person, im sure he's willing to help ya out if you get it and its not satifactory

[Spencer]

Yea he does seem like a really nice guy and I want to help him out a little so at least I can say what I think of his basses.

[Jody LeCompte]

Your selling a stingray for a 450 dollar jazz?

So I guess you only want 450 dollars then? Call me :D

[Spencer]

nah more around 800$ with a case. and strap locs and strap.

[SüP]

Your selling a stingray for a 450 dollar jazz?

So I guess you only want 450 dollars then? Call me :D

Have you no shame?!

/just pissed that you beat me to it.

[Jody LeCompte]

nah more around 800$ with a case. and strap locs and strap.
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Pictures?

[Spencer]

I don't want to turn this into a thread about selling my stingray, I was gonna put it on ebay but here are some.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19702354198.jpg&s=f10

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19702362710.jpg&s=f10

[BassVirtuoso]

I'm definitely thinking about trading my Marcus Sig for a Stingray...but I just don't know...

[Atake_]

i'm interested in buying that bass , add me pikakachu@hotmail.com:thumb:

[blizzard]

I'm not sure what you should do but JP will probably replace the electronics if you ask him before he ships it if you buy it.

[Guinpen]

don't get caught up in the novelty and end up getting rid of an awesome stingray for a mid-priced jazz. just get it out of the way and get a cheapo jazz in addition to your stingray

[da_s_man13]

^^^

123, not saying that JP's stuff would be considered 'cheapo stuff', but definately dont sell that MM man. Just save up and get a Jazz later.

[Polyamarous]

JP would install the active package for you, and it'll be done professionally.
But I wouldn't sell the MM, especially seeing as it's '89. It's resale price will only go up.

[PainKiller8191]

I'm definitely thinking about trading my Marcus Sig for a Stingray...but I just don't know...
why?????

[Akira]

That 'Ray is gorgeous, I personally wouldn't sell it. But if you do and want to buy the Jazz, I am sure JP would install the active preamp for you if you covered parts and labor. If you are concerned with JP's skills as a luthier, contact the user AlmightyPancake. He bought one of JP's basses and I am pretty sure he really likes it.

EDIT: Better idea, sell me the 'Ray and then get the Jazz.:thumb:
Seriously man, that bass is amazing. I would keep it, then save up and get a Jazz from JP when you have some extra cash.

[Spencer]

Eh, Its just kindof one of them want it now things. The stingray is great but... for one thing the high notes are always way too quiet compared to the low notes and I have heard this from other stingray owners. I guess a compressor would fix that. I dunno what to do..

[PainKiller8191]

i'm not too big a stingray fan, but it seems you have one hell of a bass....i say get a compressor and work with it

[nicatterberry]

That is one hot Stingray. Keep it.

[AlmightyPancake]

If you don't like the stingray, then don't keep it. Simple as that. JP loves low action on his basses... I can guarantee you that it's got great low low action and playability. Plus his customer support is unbeatable.

[Akira]

If you don't like the stingray, then don't keep it. Simple as that. JP loves low action on his basses... I can guarantee you that it's got great low low action and playability. Plus his customer support is unbeatable.
123.
I bet you could get a ton for that bass. If you don't like it, no point keeping it.

[Spencer]

why do you think I can get a ton? Most people say that its 1989 so its not vingtage or anything nice just old. I like the fact that its old well as old as me. 17. And I bought it for 770$ a couple months ago.

[Akira]

Well not vintage, but Stingrays still go for a lot used. Maybe not a ton, but I am sure you can get at least what you payed for it. Did you get it with the case?
If you don't like it, you might as well sell it.

[ScorpSath]

From all i've heard Jp's basses are spot on. Play well, sound beautiful. I don't think i've ever heard anything resembling a complaint.

[BassVirtuoso]

why?????

Because I like the funk tone on the Ray better but I like the jazz bassness of the Marcus. I guess I'll just buy them both one day.

[BassIsPrettyCool]

I wouldn't sell the MM, the Jazz from Winter's is going to be a downgrade(not that you don't make nice basses, JP, but a MM is a high end bass). I would say hang on to it and when you get the cash, then buy a Jazz from JP. Music Man basses are much too nice to let go of.

[pukeboy66]

Because I like the funk tone on the Ray better but I like the jazz bassness of the Marcus. I guess I'll just buy them both one day.

you cant beat a millers funk tone :upset:

[AlmightyPancake]

I wouldn't sell the MM, the Jazz from Winter's is going to be a downgrade(not that you don't make nice basses, JP, but a MM is a high end bass). I would say hang on to it and when you get the cash, then buy a Jazz from JP. Music Man basses are much too nice to let go of.
People...


I don't mean to hurt feelings, but Stingrays aren't "High End" basses, and even if they were, there's no point in keeping a bass you don't like.

[BassIsPrettyCool]

People...


I don't mean to hurt feelings, but Stingrays aren't "High End" basses, and even if they were, there's no point in keeping a bass you don't like.

Over $1,000 is high end according to my wallet.

[Mr. Pickle]

price is no direct link to determining if a bass is high end.

[Spencer]

It looks like I may be keeping my stingray, but still buying a jazz from you navy. If the one you have right now is gone how much can you make another jazz for me ,with these specs.

Jazz
21-24 frets whatever is easiest 4 you. I prefer 21 tho.
String through body bridge.
Active aguilar preamp

Also I haven't decied on color or wood for the fret board, but can you do maple or rosewood?

[da_s_man13]

Im pretty sure he has a quote form thingy on his website buddy....too bad i dont have a link.

[darrell]

Over $1,000 is high end according to my wallet.

123.

http://www.kuraoka.org/wallet.jpg

My wallet agrees.

[Polyamarous]

I think if the bass is over 1000 of your American dollars, and you think that bass is woth it.
THEN it is high-end.
:smoke:

[Jaded]

price is no direct link to determining if a bass is high end.
Um, yes it is.

[trumpeter]

Um, yes it is.

Not neccessarily.

[Criss Frantic]

Not neccessarily.

Usually.

Except on Ebay.

EDIT: TS, it just sounds like you've come down with a case of GAS. Just ride it out then go back to basking in your beautiful Stingray's warm glowing warming glow.

[Radiobass81]

People...


I don't mean to hurt feelings, but Stingrays aren't "High End" basses, and even if they were, there's no point in keeping a bass you don't like.
I'd say it's high-end, as much as high-end goes without going custom.

[AlmightyPancake]

I'd say it's high-end, as much as high-end goes without going custom.
I consider boutique basses to be high-end. It's the buyer's market that determines price, not the quality of the instrument.

[irishslappop]

well theres a reason rouge products are cheap....because they aren't as well made as others. i would say that in that case the quality determined price.

[AlmightyPancake]

well theres a reason rouge products are cheap....because they aren't as well made as others. i would say that in that case the quality determined price.
I'm not denying that quality has a good bit to do with it. I'm simply arguing that you can't assume that a bass you can't afford is a high-end bass. I'd consider most any mass-produced bass under a grand a mid to high-priced bass at most. Consider all the basses that cost much more and are still mass produced. Stingrays are right on the line, and EB can charge that extra bit due to the name.

[Akira]

well theres a reason rouge products are cheap....because they aren't as well made as others. i would say that in that case the quality determined price.
At the same time there is a reason Alembics are so expensive - people are willing to pay rediculous prices for a bass if it has a reputation for being boutique and high-end. I would say Alembic is an example where quality doesn't determine the price, hype does.

[Random.bass.player.]

If your selling, i'd be intrested.

[thelowsoundofbass]

EBMM basses are some of, if not the best, quality that you are going to get in a mass produced bass. That being said, JP's work is also top notch. I have a bass that is modded by him and it is great.

lowsound

[sunshineplaysbass]

I would say that any mass produced bass isn't high end. Of course there are some exceptions, like Fender and/or Gibson's custom shop, maybe like, Tobias basses, that kind of stuff....like mass produced but in more limited quantities.

[Mr. Pickle]

I would say that any mass produced bass isn't high end. Of course there are some exceptions, like Fender and/or Gibson's custom shop, maybe like, Tobias basses, that kind of stuff....like mass produced but in more limited quantities.


ha, you can go to a "imo" thing or something, but this statement it pretty much wrong. production quanity has nothing to do with an instrument being high end.

[sunshineplaysbass]

Yeah, i probably should have put that.....but i figure, you know, like a big company, such as Fender, who churns em out by the hour, is generally going to be less high-end then a custom shop that spends weeks to make one.....
but like you said (and i agree) IMO, haha

[Mr. Pickle]

so, what do you consider high end amps/cabs/etc.?

[Polyamarous]

That all-tube Sadowsky.

[da_s_man13]

Whats with the thread name change?

[sunshineplaysbass]

so, what do you consider high end amps/cabs/etc.?

hm, you pretty much got me on that one, i don't look into amps nearly as much as basses/guitars (nor nearly as much as i should, for that matter)
But then again i don't think amps are quite the same, you don't hear of too many custom amp shops.
I guess these are what are would say are a few high-end amps, imo

Mesa
Genz-Benz
Some of the better Marshall models
Ampeg

can't really think of much at the moment. but hey what do you expect at 3 am, haha

[Mr. Pickle]

But then again i don't think amps are quite the same, you don't hear of too many custom amp shops.


that's my point. there are still many high end amps that aren't custom made.


ha, don't worry about it. it's cool man.

[sunshineplaysbass]

Good point there. I would lean to say that like, good Gibsons, Fenders, PRS, that kind of stuff can be called high end, i mean a lot of times those companies have a "high end" line.

but based off of my wallet
standard (american) fenders and gibsons are high end! haha