Death Metal Drum Solo [VIDEO]

[Jono9119X]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MBEh6NZh0e8&search=death%20metal%20drumming

its not me, i just found it, i never heard of his band, but that guy is amazzing.

Discuss.

[Det_Nosnip]

Ha..never seen a blaster play traditional before.

[crazyguy832]

'twas pretty sick.

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Trad grip death metal = pure sheckz

[AdultSwim815]

That was amazing.

[crazyguy832]

Oh, should mention Gaz from The Berzerker plays trad grip as well (I believe).

Although all he really does is buzz his snare with crappy triggers all show. That guy freakin pwns.

[_Austin_]

Im going to be honest and say i didn't like it, but for death metal he seems like a really good player.

[mysticalyeti]

A novel video for the use of trad in blasts...

...However, I really do hate blasting.

[Fimbulwinter]

Im going to be honest and say i didn't like it, but for death metal he seems like a really good player.
Riiiiight... cause musicians who play death metal usually lack skill in their instrument of choice.

[_Austin_]

I said i didn't like what he was playing but can see why it would suit the music.

What was wrong with that?

[Carn]

wow. That sucked.

and on a side note, Buddy Rich played at those 'speeds' years ago.

[FockerTheLopper]

I said i didn't like what he was playing but can see why it would suit the music.

What was wrong with that?
Nothing

I liked that video alot.
And yeah, Buddy Rich, argueably the greatest drummer played at those speeds years ago, this guy a virtual nobody is playing death metal with traditional grip today, making it as intresting as it gets(I admit I got bored during the middle but then he started doing the 1 handed rolls and ended it before it got too boring, very musical of him). I don't see how you can honestly think that sucked. I garentee that this guy is so much better than you that he can be your drum teacher. He went through so many stages and never lost time and he played blast beats with trad(try to get volume). I am by no means a death metal fan or a fan of blast beats and [for the most part] the only metal I like is Lamb of God and System of a Down(exept for like Tool and Opeth which are more than just catchy) but I apreciated that solo.
Try playing what hes playing and I garentee your mentality would change.

[Inpropagation]

wow. That sucked.

and on a side note, Buddy Rich played at those 'speeds' years ago.

Shut up.

[FockerTheLopper]

Shut up.
I wrote a whole paragraph you said it in 2 words... Kudos

[drumtilidie]

i thought it was good, he's WAY better then me.

The whole thing revolved around speed though (just what i heard, anyway)

[FockerTheLopper]

i thought it was good, he's WAY better then me.

The whole thing revolved around speed though (just what i heard, anyway)
Not true. If it was played slower it wouldn't be as impressive but thats why its a death metal drum solo, its fast and repetetive but that was very good.

[crazyguy832]

Fast and repetitive is the core of death metal.

:chug:

It was short enough that it didn't get too repetitive. For truly repetitive solos, look at Derek Roddy. God, that man's amazing, but his solo's are kinda sameish... within a matter of seconds, even.

[Brokensticks]

it was interesting to watch, not my style of music. Not very musical to me. Although he is very good at what he does.

[Carn]

Nothing

I liked that video alot.
And yeah, Buddy Rich, argueably the greatest drummer played at those speeds years ago, this guy a virtual nobody is playing death metal with traditional grip today, making it as intresting as it gets(I admit I got bored during the middle but then he started doing the 1 handed rolls and ended it before it got too boring, very musical of him). I don't see how you can honestly think that sucked. I garentee that this guy is so much better than you that he can be your drum teacher. He went through so many stages and never lost time and he played blast beats with trad(try to get volume). I am by no means a death metal fan or a fan of blast beats and [for the most part] the only metal I like is Lamb of God and System of a Down(exept for like Tool and Opeth which are more than just catchy) but I apreciated that solo.
Try playing what hes playing and I garentee your mentality would change.

Dear Focker. My drumteacher studied both drumset and classical percussion, and he teaches styles ranging from Latin, Jazz to pure snare and marimba. I do not think that this 'death metal dude' can teach me anything except to "practice", which is the only key to death metal. I do not feel the need to play a continious string of notes which dont have any musical context. The only thing that can be admired is the amount of effort the dude put into playing fast. Now if he put all that time into a bit more interesting ideas, I would appreciate this little "solo" (haha) a lot more.

[Caleb3221]

I'm curious as to what about his death metal playing indicates that he can't play anything else?

EDIT: Actually, I sorta see your point in that you shouldn't immediatley say "he should be your teacher" just because he's fast, but I also wouldn't say "My teacher studied jazz and latin and classical therefore he's a better drummer" since there's no evidence this guy didn't.

[FockerTheLopper]

Dear Focker. My drumteacher studied both drumset and classical percussion, and he teaches styles ranging from Latin, Jazz to pure snare and marimba. I do not think that this 'death metal dude' can teach me anything except to "practice", which is the only key to death metal. I do not feel the need to play a continious string of notes which dont have any musical context. The only thing that can be admired is the amount of effort the dude put into playing fast. Now if he put all that time into a bit more interesting ideas, I would appreciate this little "solo" (haha) a lot more.
You people underestimate this drumming so much. I'm so confident that this guy knows more than death metal because he plays trad. Normally I wouldn't think much of it, but players who play trad ussually have had lessons. He plays extremely clean and was very musical. Notice he said death metal drum solo not just drum solo or latin or w/e so if he were to put in other things it would go outside the genre. Stop bashing the guy, you have no idea how difficult what hes doing is. I know people like Jim and Jos are gonna come in here and say that this isn't music or w/e but the truth is that this guy CAN play.

He has a groove video, extremely technical stuff, 5's and 7s and what not, at first I thought he was losing time but he played them then went right back to the orignal groove. A bit too busy and fast but eh he has the chops to groove that fast.

to Caleb: I didn't say that he should be your teacher but carn was bashing him and I said it would be safe to say that hes so much better than you that he could be your teacher. Your next setence is exactly my point, drummers nowdays start off playing matched. Its very rare unless a kid had formal lessons from a young age that they will play trad. This guy deffinately has a rudimental background and was probably playing from a very young age because he left hand is REALLY strong. I wouldn't be suprised if he could lay down some latin grooves and swing either.

[moogoogaipan]

wow. That sucked.

and on a side note, Buddy Rich played at those 'speeds' years ago.
I'm with you. That wasn't the least bit impressive.
Sorry guys, but dude was just flying, nothing of new came out of that.
You may enjoy the speed, but nothing of what he was playing was particularly impressive.

[Det_Nosnip]

Complex technical mastery is one thing, but just plain ole speed? *shrug* Meh.

[FockerTheLopper]

I'm with you. That wasn't the least bit impressive.
Sorry guys, but dude was just flying, nothing of new came out of that.
You may enjoy the speed, but nothing of what he was playing was particularly impressive.
If your not impressed then I don't know what to say. I can understand if you say that you found it boring, non musical and that you didn't like it but the sheer speed and time of that was something else. He went blazing fast he modulated the time a couple of times and still kept the time perfectly. I used to be completely turned off by that sort of drumming but imagine if you had those kinds of chops what you'd be able to do when playing jazz or something slower. You'd have another world to explore with that kind of speed. His time was also perfect and going that fast its very easy to slow down and go closer to your comfort zone especially when modulating the time.

[moogoogaipan]

^^^well the problem is this.
His feet are super fast, yes. I can't move my feet that fast, but I can match his hand speed and still be more musical than that. It's just nasty, he wasn't very clean and his rhythms were just straight and square.

case in point: that nasty little ride bell pattern he was trying after the first couple of seconds.

bottom line: his feet are fast, perhaps I could use fast feet like that, but his feet patterns weren't musical entertaining.
His hands were fast, but they weren't out of my speed range and they certainly weren't musical.

Note: I do understand your point, but it's hard to respect somebody who is playing 16ths as fast as possible. I would be impressed if he were doing flams and complicated rudiments. That kind of control is hard to get at that speed, and even I'm struggling to get fast in that sense.

[mysticalyeti]

"Groove solo"?

A few beats with the same hyper fast fills inbetween?

Honestly, I've seen too much of guys like this to be thoroughly impressed anymore.

[moogoogaipan]

^^^thank you!:thumb:

[Jezen]

:lol:! It is rather silly. It's worse that people are impressed by it.

[FockerTheLopper]

^^^well the problem is this.
His feet are super fast, yes. I can't move my feet that fast, but I can match his hand speed and still be more musical than that. It's just nasty, he wasn't very clean and his rhythms were just straight and square.

case in point: that nasty little ride bell pattern he was trying after the first couple of seconds.

bottom line: his feet are fast, perhaps I could use fast feet like that, but his feet patterns weren't musical entertaining.
His hands were fast, but they weren't out of my speed range and they certainly weren't musical.

Note: I do understand your point, but it's hard to respect somebody who is playing 16ths as fast as possible. I would be impressed if he were doing flams and complicated rudiments. That kind of control is hard to get at that speed, and even I'm struggling to get fast in that sense.
Good point, I'm sure that he can deliver flams and rudiments since he probably has a rudimental background and check out his groove videos he does some weird stuff like 5's and 7's and never loses it. To say that you didn't enjoy it and that it wasn't good is one thing but saying that he sucks is another. I'm going to say it for the 3rd(4th?) time, this guy can deffinately play.
Sorry to be like a bitch but saying complicated rudiments is contradicting because rudiments are simple, if he played more complicated patterns would be better fitting and yes, if he does start playing more complex patterns and changing up things he'll be 10x better then he is now.

[beaker_747]

I wasn't impressed by his trad grip, but I did enjoy his overall cleanliness and chops.

I don't see why people hold trad grip in such high respect. It's just another grip, although not used as commonly as the many forms of matched. It doesn't have any advantages over any other kind of grip.

[FockerTheLopper]

I wasn't impressed by his trad grip, but I did enjoy his overall cleanliness and chops.

I don't see why people hold trad grip in such high respect. It's just another grip, although not used as commonly as the many forms of matched. It doesn't have any advantages over any other kind of grip.
I just brought it up to back up my arguement that he has a formal/rudimental background. I don't know why people were saying "blasting with trad is the ownage", I think its alot harder to get volume with trad though.

[Jezen]

Tell that to Donati, Lang, Colaiuta....

[FockerTheLopper]

Tell that to Donati, Lang, Colaiuta....
I'm not saying its impossible but its easier to play softer with trad because your hand is under so I figure that its also harder to play loud. I could be wrong since I don't play trad but I read somewhere that Colaiuta used to play matched but then he switched because delicate playing was easier.

[rohbit]

I just wish he had some dynamics.

The guy's got chops, and I was impressed by his speed.

But even his groove solo wasn't something that made me think, "Man that guy can freakin groove."

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmiPtAanIHQ

Theres the "groove solo" for the benefit of lazy people.

I actually quite liked this, it's not the type of drumming I'm working towards but I enjoyed it. It did get a BIT repetitive, IMO.

But I liked it. I wasn't overawed by it because it isn't THAT creative. But I certainly enjoyed it more than Derek Roddy's solo videos on YouTube.

Not as much as Virgil's, or Vinnie's, or Lang's, or indeed Peart's video's, though. I like Peart, because even if he doesn't go AS fast as most of the others I mentioned, he plays with incredible musicality IMO.

But I did enjoy this video.

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[beaker_747]

I'm not saying its impossible but its easier to play softer with trad because your hand is under so I figure that its also harder to play loud. I could be wrong since I don't play trad but I read somewhere that Colaiuta used to play matched but then he switched because delicate playing was easier.
That's just mental. Traditional is no different than any other grip

[Drum Phil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b6cXsrY-QE

Theres another one. Im mildy impressed by it but it does get boring

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

Actually after watching all three videos again, whilst being slightly impresed by the guy, I've realised that these solos lack variation.

That may indeed be down to the Death Metal cliche, but some dynamics, tempo modulation, and indeed some original patterns wouldn't have hurt.

I would still say that they're above par in the death metal genre though.

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[TormentorScott]

Eh, people often get too involved with groove and finesse (not that their not brutally essential) and forget that there is something to be said for speed and moreso, endurance. Extreme metal drumming is almost like a sport.

And speaking of endurance: I'm guessing this dude could play these speeds as accurate as a click for a very, very, very long time. And that's not something you can do without practice. So don't go around saying anyone could play that who's good or great at drums, because it's something you have to work on specifically.

I wouldn't have written this except I've recently been reunited with an old friend and drum teacher who's very into this (as well as many other forms of music). He'e been teaching me about the greats and pioneers of the genre and the exercies they do to get their speed and accuracy. It's not something that should be scoffed simply because it's too harsh for you.

P.S. Remember what I said in my Parenthesis please. I don't want every kid who's ever heard a Weckl solo and thinks they know everything there is to know about music to jump down my throat.

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

^^ A good, valid post


I wouldn't have written this except I've recently been reunited with an old friend and drum teacher who's very into this (as well as many other forms of music). He'e been teaching me about the greats and pioneers of the genre and the exercies they do to get their speed and accuracy. It's not something that should be scoffed simply because it's too harsh for you.


Care to share some of the exercises? I think we could all use some more speed and accuracy :wave:

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[TormentorScott]

Didn't like the video phil posted much. Just thought I'd show that I'm not simply blindly eating up all death metal, haha.

Yeah, LiquidTens, my favorite exercise is this one you may have heard of called "ankle spanks". Sitting far back on your throne, your *** hanging almost off the back. You lift your feet off the ground and slightly far away from you (this should cause some tension on your upper leg muscles (which I can't remember the name for). put on a click or some way of keeping time and do some simple hand feet exercies. Remember to keep your legs and feet like I said before and in between each tap on the floor make sure your ankle comes all the way back up so you're extending it fully. Keep it at a slow tempo to get used to the full extension.

This is a cool way to help you utilize your ankles fully when playing extreme speeds as well as building those upper leg muscles. I'm sure you can look around for more endurance exercies but I don't feel like typing many out as I don't think I'm too good a teacher.

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

:thumb: Good stuff, I shall try that later. My leg/foot muscles definately need some work.

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[RoaRing_Roach]

The trad may be a sign that he has studied other genres too.
The video was good.
The drummer from Diecast(metal) plays traditional grip too and his playing is tasteful.

[moogoogaipan]

Eh, people often get too involved with groove and finesse (not that their not brutally essential) and forget that there is something to be said for speed and moreso, endurance. Extreme metal drumming is almost like a sport.

And speaking of endurance: I'm guessing this dude could play these speeds as accurate as a click for a very, very, very long time. And that's not something you can do without practice. So don't go around saying anyone could play that who's good or great at drums, because it's something you have to work on specifically.

P.S. Remember what I said in my Parenthesis please. I don't want every kid who's ever heard a Weckl solo and thinks they know everything there is to know about music to jump down my throat.

I hate to be the guy to jump down your throat, so I won't.

I will say this.

Endurance and speed don't take as much dedication as you make it seem. Your standard everyday practice routine warm-up works just fine. My hands can play as fast as that guy for as long as possible, its' just like walking. I've never done more than warm-up doing some singles exercises to get that. I haven't sat and meditated or put my forearms in hot water, or whatever "exercises" people do. It just takes a bit of determination.

That said...

I still don't understand why the rest of you are impressed. Seriously, there's nothing that guy is doing that is even remotely interesting or creative.
I'll give the groove solo a little credit because he managed to flub out some cool stuff... but nothing more.

Don't try and persuade me, I don't see what you guys see and for whatever reason you guys think this guy is awesome.

[FockerTheLopper]

That's just mental. Traditional is no different than any other grip
No, its physically easier to play softer trad.

[TTTSNB]

In response to Moogoopan's comment, and anyone else who doesn't like this guy, I don't understand why you people are so threatened by what he's playing here. Sure, its a very specific, and sometimes repetitive style of drumming, but he's clearly good at what he does , and enjoys it. Is that a big deal? I personally like his playing because he manages to put some more creative touches to a style of playing that is often stagnant. Listen to him, and then listen to something like Devourment, there is a marked difference in the quality of the playing.

[moogoogaipan]

^^^I like how you assume we are threatened.

I never said I was threatened, I just see everyone oggling this guy and I don't understand why.
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to defend territory or whatever.
I don't see anything impressive.

So what that he's fast, he has nothing else going for him. His ideas are bland at most.

[TTTSNB]

^^^I like how you assume we are threatened.

I never said I was threatened, I just see everyone oggling this guy and I don't understand why.
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to defend territory or whatever.
I don't see anything impressive.

So what that he's fast, he has nothing else going for him. His ideas are bland at most.
Yeah, I think he has some cool ideas actually, but he's limited by the style of what he's playing. His bandmates probably told him "DUDE, PLAY A DEATH METAL SOLO", and he just automatically did that, without really thinking much about it. In his "groove solo", he has some cooler ideas, it just sounds like he doesn't execute them very well. I don't think he's an amazing player either, I just find it hard to believe that we have a 3 page thread about this.

[moogoogaipan]

^^^agreed.

Groove solo = some cool ideas

Improvised solo = generally bad all around (drum phil posted it if you missed it)

[TTTSNB]

^^^agreed.

Groove solo = some cool ideas

Improvised solo = generally bad all around (drum phil posted it if you missed it)
Yeah, the thing about these guys that strictly play metal is, I think they really do it because they love the music, and want to play in a "death metal band". I think sometimes these guys just sound so limited because they've been so focused on playing strictly metal stuff for a long time.

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

IMO the improvised solo wasn't bad all around - at the worst, it was average all around. It wasn't bad playing. Think relatively; there are more far more players worse than this guy than there are players who are better.

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[Caleb3221]

FockerTheLopper, even if trad is naturally "softer" and matched naturally "louder", if you know either with ANY degree of skill you can get any dynamic range with them. If you know both, you can get exactly the same dynamics with either. If you can't, then you don't really know the grip. So basically, yes, trad is the same as any other grip. If you can get a copy of Dave Weckl's "How To Develop Techinque" video, Freddie Gruber does a demonstration showing how playing trad and matched use identical motions with a different hand position. It's not necessarily an excellent video, and many don't like Freddie himself, but that particular point I've always found to be quite valid.

And, I didn't really like either the first solo or the groove solo, nd it's really not that impressive. The foot speed is good, but I've definatley seen equal or better hands in a lot of places(with trad, and really loud too even). And, as has been said, he dosen't really use this creativly. Mabye he's an excellent drummer, but the solos haven't been that good so far.

[FockerTheLopper]

FockerTheLopper, even if trad is naturally "softer" and matched naturally "louder", if you know either with ANY degree of skill you can get any dynamic range with them. If you know both, you can get exactly the same dynamics with either. If you can't, then you don't really know the grip. So basically, yes, trad is the same as any other grip. If you can get a copy of Dave Weckl's "How To Develop Techinque" video, Freddie Gruber does a demonstration showing how playing trad and matched use identical motions with a different hand position. It's not necessarily an excellent video, and many don't like Freddie himself, but that particular point I've always found to be quite valid.

And, I didn't really like either the first solo or the groove solo, nd it's really not that impressive. The foot speed is good, but I've definatley seen equal or better hands in a lot of places(with trad, and really loud too even). And, as has been said, he dosen't really use this creativly. Mabye he's an excellent drummer, but the solos haven't been that good so far.
I know and have said that both are the same and they don't limit you but you need to put more effort to play loud with trad and more to play soft with matched. Think about it, when you play alot of soft notes you need to hold the stick tight and low when playing matched, to play a loud stroke trad you need to fling the stick all the way back. Both are possible and people do it but by the laws of physics if your hand is under the stick its easier to play soft

edit: a thing that I like about your post is the last sentence, I agree %100, the main reason I'm defending him is because people are saying he sucks which he doesn't. He wanted to play a death metal style drumsolo(god knows why) and its pretty hard to be creative with death metal(or it seems so)

[Caleb3221]

If you feel like you need to exert more effort to fling the stick "all the way back" as you said then you obviously are not controlling the rebound very well.

Oh, and once again, as I said, mabye physically it's easier to play soft and harder to play loud when you are first starting out, but once you get any degree of proficiency that goes out the window because the effort needed for either is minimal.

2nd edit: Actually, mabye I'm disagreeing more than I have to. I do tend towards trad in quiter settings and matched in louder, but that is not a limitation of the grip, that's personal habit. As you get better with both, dynamic ability increases, and either can play just as loud or soft as the other without much effort change.

[FockerTheLopper]

If you feel like you need to exert more effort to fling the stick "all the way back" as you said then you obviously are not controlling the rebound very well.
I'm a matched player but if your hand is under the stick its going to be harder to get power then if the stick is on top(not saying that its really hard or impossible but matched grip makes it easier)

[TormentorScott]

Moogoo, you say you can play this stuff yet don't necesarily practice it per se.

But I guess my main point is...

There's a difference between playing singles that fast on a pad and being able to play them in the context of a fast paced death metal song that changes parts and sometimes time sigs extremely often. Switching from hats to crashes to rides to chinas with fills in-between that include a large amount of movement of both the body and arms(and of course wrist) is much harder and a totally differtent ballpark.

I'm not trying to get anyone to say "you're right, death metal is the hardest, I'm wrong and I'll never be able to lay it". Heck, I'm not even that into death metal as I am many other genres. But come on, after the above little paragraph you need to at least understand that although you may be able to move your sticks as fast, you could not play all over a kit like that without serious dedication.

Now, don't take this as I'm "calling you out" or whatever, but if you can't at least understand and hopefully agree with what I'm saying, could I see a good death metal solo video by you, I'd be very appreciative.

Edit: and by the way, please don't take this as arguing. I know online it's hard to tell when someones being hostile or not as you can' t hear or see the person, but I'm just trying to correct the misconception that playing an hour and a half set of constant rapid movement around a kit with music that changes SO MUCH is easy. I guess I just find it hard to believe that every kid who grooves and practices his rudiments is able to immediately do that.

[green242]

I still don't understand why the rest of you are impressed.

Don't try and persuade me, I don't see what you guys see and for whatever reason you guys think this guy is awesome.
yeah, probably because ur better than everyone else on this forum, and your better than anyone in any video ever posted too, at all genres, jazz, death metal, metal, classical... whatever, ur just too good man

[sLarkin20]

I still don't understand why the rest of you are impressed. Seriously, there's nothing that guy is doing that is even remotely interesting or creative.
I'll give the groove solo a little credit because he managed to flub out some cool stuff... but nothing more.

Don't try and persuade me, I don't see what you guys see and for whatever reason you guys think this guy is awesome.

For all we know that solo could of been made up on the spot or someone just asked him to "play something" and they hit record. You can comment on his playing in that video alone sure, but who is to say he is a bland player with no ideas and just speed when all you've seen from him is a clip that was something like less then a minute? And while it might just be a "speed thing," it actually does require some skill to have the accuracy and precision at those speeds and to not miss a beat for 4-5 minutes + at a time, being able to bust out single strokes at whateverBPM during your warm-up sessions has nothing to do with your ability to create anything interesting with it. Just because you dont like the drummer and/or drumming, dosent make when he is playing any less musical then the next drummer.

And I dont think anybody is trying to force you to admit he is a good or interesting or talented drummer, you are the one trying to convince everyone that DOES like his playing that he is "nothing special." Not everyone is going to have the same taste or even agree with you with everything!

[Caleb3221]

"For all we know that solo could of been made up on the spot or someone just asked him to "play something" and they hit record." I'd like to bring up that that is really not a strong point, improvisation is something that all drummers should train for and practice.
And actually, this debate sprung up about equal on both sides, and yeah, there is actually just as much pressure from people saying "you have to like this guy" as there is from people saying "This guy needs to listen to music sometime". Of course not everyone is going to agree, that's the entire point of a discussion. If everyone posted videos and everyone else was like "that's awesome", this entire forum would be a waste of time. Disagreement and debate encourace critical analysis of various things and often help push people to better themselves at drumming(provided you actually attempt to learn from discussions, and don't just shot your opinion then leave the thread.)

[crazyguy832]

Ah, death metal, what controversy it brings.

:D

[Chris]

He is trying to hard. I got boared withing a minute. This is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3jFkcAxSws

[Carn]

Jimmy is awesome.