ATTN: Anyone who plays in a drum/bass band

[the101er]

What scales, modes etc. do you use for writing? Or is it mainly spontanious? I'm just trying it and really stuck for ideas.

Thanks :)

Also, someone suggest a good overdrive tone with a Boss ODB-3 and Hartke HA2000.

Muchly appreciated

Will :smoke:

[British Kid]

What scales, modes etc. do you use for writing? Or is it mainly spontanious? I'm just trying it and really stuck for ideas.

Thanks :)

Also, someone suggest a good overdrive tone with a Boss ODB-3 and Hartke HA2000.

Muchly appreciated

Will :smoke:
how much overdrive?

i'd try maxing out everything on the ODB-3 (other than volume) and setting everything on the hartke flat.

[the101er]

Oh think more subdued than Jesse F. Keeler but nastier than Tim Commerford


I'll give that a go :thumb: cheers dude

[British Kid]

Oh think more subdued than Jesse F. Keeler but nastier than Tim Commerford


I'll give that a go :thumb: cheers dude
hmmm.... ok then...

ODB-3: set EQ flat (or boost both treble and bass a tiny bit) and turn the signal to mostly "wet" (i'd say about 3/4 of the way, since you'll need a bit more natural tone to come thru) and turn the drive (not sure what its called on the ODB, sustain? fuzz? whatever the setting is) all or most of the way (3/4 again would be good :thumb: ). set volume to match bass output

on the amp: turn preamp up alot (maybe all the way, maybe half) and cut a little bass, add quite a bit of mids, and add a tiny bit of treble.

:thumb: that should get you started. i'm sure you can find a good setting if you mess around with all those for starters.

[the101er]

That's brilliant, thanks dude.

[neatobassman]

As for writing, go for what feels good. lol. learn your scales and modes and then just use what you need. When I go into writting, I don't go "I'm going to use A dorian in this song" I find something that sounds good, then look for a scale, or I'm lazy and just say eff scales and keep writing.

[pukeboy66]

i use mixolydian alot, but i also throw some chromatic notes in alot, ALOT of it is spontainious

[the101er]

My problem is I know **** all theory, which some people will snear at. Where's a good start?

[JadedBass]

pick up a jazz play along book by abersol, teach you all the diffent scales and modes in otherpages and teach how to read charts:chug:

[tim_commerfordism]

Hey,
just done some recording, will put some up soon.

Try this:
Put the tube and SS on max.
Boost low mids and a bit of treble/high mids.

Max the gain on your ODB-3.

My tone is all about distortion and octaves, and it works really well. Just experiment!
As far as scales are concerned - I don't even think about that. I just play whatever comes into my head, or what my vocalist wants or w/e.
For example I recently wrote a really fast piece in D min, but then wrote another piece in Bb Dominant 7.

Experiment!

[pukeboy66]

My problem is I know **** all theory, which some people will snear at. Where's a good start?
http://www.wheatdesign.com/bassbook/

read and make sure you understand all of that, it really helped me as far as basic theory is concerned.

also, theory is and isnt important, like i said, i throw in alot of out of key notes in my jams and it seems to fit so just go by ear. but it never hurts to know theory.

[Esp Griffyn]

I love Drum and Bass, espescially Aphex Twin, teh bomb tbh.

[peeted]

do ya wana know drum and bass death from above style or pendulum style?

dfa1979 id sugest the major scale and major arpegeos, penjulum style id sugest minor scales, the mode starting on the major 3rd (i know my modes but i dont know there names) and how to use just the basic cromatic scale musicaly.

[PaulR]

I love Drum and Bass, espescially Aphex Twin, teh bomb tbh.
You're a good person.

I thought I was the only one.

[tim_commerfordism]

You're a good person.

I thought I was the only one.

Me too!

Drum and bass ftw.

[peeted]

everyone loves drum n bass, there jus to scared to admit it, its the same with dub and psy-trance.

[PaulR]

everyone loves drum n bass, there jus to scared to admit it, its the same with dub and psy-trance.
I'm not, I love all those genres.

Astral Projection. Woop.

[lais817]

</semi-hijack> anybody recommend me some good bass n drum bands?

[PaulR]

Pendulum. http://www.myspace.com/holdyourcolour

Dieselboy. http://www.myspace.com/dieselb0y

Aphex Twin. http://www.myspace.com/rdjaphex

High Contrast. http://www.myspace.com/highcontrastuk

Astral Projection. http://www.myspace.com/astralprojectionmusic

There's some random stuff you might like. It's a bit more accessible than a lot of stuff. Astral Projection is more psychtrance, but still amazing.

[museic]

for my two piece band i play what i feel sounds good and full..i dont really think about scales and keys too much i just try and make the sound as full as i can.

anyway if anyone wants to check out my 2 piece go to http://www.myspace.com/bottlenosedolphins

man aphex twin rocks.. great live as well

[The Forgotten Bassist]

In a drum n bass band spontaneous is fine as you don't have to worry about anyone not knowing what scale/chord/arpeggio etc to play.

[lobsterjohnson]

tone wise i use two amps one clean one with a big muff and im looking into a bass blowtorch
i use alot of major, minor, and mixolidians. as well as alot of octaves. i also tune to either C or D.
mainly just go with spontainious riffs i write through jamming

[d-mart]

Pendulum. http://www.myspace.com/holdyourcolour

Dieselboy. http://www.myspace.com/dieselb0y

Aphex Twin. http://www.myspace.com/rdjaphex

High Contrast. http://www.myspace.com/highcontrastuk

Astral Projection. http://www.myspace.com/astralprojectionmusic

There's some random stuff you might like. It's a bit more accessible than a lot of stuff. Astral Projection is more psychtrance, but still amazing.

Your forgetting Squarepusher :amaze:

[peeted]

Squarepusher goes beyond just drum and bass, he does garage and wered noise and stuff too (as does aphex tween), Squarepusher is set aside though because hes a ****ing incredible bassist too! anyone heard him playing solo bass? ****ing ace tapper.

[d-mart]

Squarepusher goes beyond just drum and bass, he does garage and wered noise and stuff too (as does aphex tween), Squarepusher is set aside though because hes a ****ing incredible bassist too! anyone heard him playing solo bass? ****ing ace tapper.

I'd agree he goes beyond Drum and Bass but he still comes back to it.When he first started out he was a D'n'B DJ and progressed from there.

You see him on his tour late last year?. The best show I have ever seen, the fact him did a improv jazz set before his D'nB/Trance set just made the night so complete.

[Esp Griffyn]

Windowlicker by Aphex Twin, one of the best programmed songs ever?

Without a doubt.

[deemo]

lightning bolt is another great 2 piece. but definitely not tuned like a bass at all.

if you're writing for drum and bass, kind of think of your bass as a guitar. you gotta play around with doing rhythm and leads. You also want to be fairly repetitive or else it's going to sound like solo bass featuring drums.

oh, and listen to whirlwind heat. http://www.whirlwindheat.com they're an awesome drum + bass + occasional synth. i think they're one of the best drum and bass in terms of song writing.

[Zatoichi]

I love Drum and Bass, espescially Aphex Twin, teh bomb tbh.

wouldnt really considerd it to be Drum an Bass.

[d-mart]

Windowlicker by Aphex Twin, one of the best programmed songs ever?

Without a doubt.

I always thought of that to be one of his worst songs, its really doesn't compare to the songs like Vordhosbn, ****/Ver 10, Cliffs, pretty much the whole of Richard D. James.

[Chris K]

I like drum and bass, and i don't see why anyone should have a problem admitting that :confused:

Although Sqaurepusher and Aphex Twin are my favourites

[EADG]

The ODB-3 has:

Level
EQ (low and high stacked)
Blend
Gain


I got a really good DFA1979 tone out of mine, I had it written down somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

[incubass]

TOAST MACHINE ftw

how did no one mention hem yet they fking own

[the101er]

Haha, I went on the website yesterday.

Toast Machine are my new obsession! I love them


btw, nice avatar :p

[tim_commerfordism]

tm r gheyz0rz

[Jody LeCompte]

I don't like drum and bass, it always sounds too empty or just annoying.

[PaulR]

I don't like drum and bass, it always sounds too empty or just annoying.
You should check out my links.

And yeah, I purposefully didn't put Squarepusher, I didn't feel he was so commercial and easy to get into.

[peeted]

lol and aphex twin is easy to get into? pendulum = drum n bass that sounds full and musical. ****ing incredible stuff.

allso if ya realy wana play drum n bass you might wana thing about either selling your bass to get a synthasiser or get a synth peddle for ya bass.

[Esp Griffyn]

I always thought of that to be one of his worst songs, its really doesn't compare to the songs like Vordhosbn, ****/Ver 10, Cliffs, pretty much the whole of Richard D. James.


Aw well, Ive only got the Come to Daddy Ep and the Windowlicker single, but Ive heard a bunch more of his stuff from his videos on Youtube. Donkey Rhubarb for one is incredible.

And for the guy who said AT wernt DnB, imo at the heart of it, Richard still makes DnB, just very advanced, out-there DnB, he throws so much more into it than just snare / kick patterns and a melody like a lot of mediocre DnB, he layers it and gives it so many interlocking melodies, and his manipulation of samples is sublime!

[Esp Griffyn]

I don't like drum and bass, it always sounds too empty or just annoying.

Maybe you should invest in some good speakers?


If you have crappy speakers, then you'll probably only ever hear the snare drum, DnB is imo some of the biggest sounding music, since it covers such a wide frequency range, and almost invariably has the bass Frequencies pushed a lot.

[pukeboy66]

I don't like drum and bass, it always sounds too empty or just annoying.

:angry:

[Esp Griffyn]

Jody definitley needs some good speakers

I think I should point out, the "Drum/bass" of the thread title and the Drum n Bass that are now being talked about are very different things.

[peeted]

well the thread starter never stated what he ment, thats why i refrenced both. drum/bass isnt a genre of music its just a band formation (could play jazz, ambient, indie, metal whatever) were as drum n bass is so its more logical to asume he ment drum n bass since he seemed to be refering to it as a genre.

allso esp have you heard the dilinger escape plan/mike patton cover of come to daddy? its ****ing ace, very similar to the origional but just taken even further.

[Esp Griffyn]

allso esp have you heard the dilinger escape plan/mike patton cover of come to daddy? its ****ing ace, very similar to the origional but just taken even further.

I cant say I have, Id like to though.

Doubltess Aphex would hate it :lol:

Even in the late 90s, when Radiohead were name dropping Aphex all the time, saying he was a hge influence and they really looked up to him, Richard Snubbed them, and the rumour that they'd tour together, with the line "I wouldnt tour with them, because I dont like them". Blunt and to the point, but when a man as talented as Prichard G. Kraymes is talking about some goons like Radiohead, he is allowed to be so blunt.

[peeted]

mabie, but dilinger escape plan and mike patton aint exactley like radio head and he did let them record a cover of one of his songs, cant hate em that much.

[the101er]

Meh, my original question was about a band formation, but a discussion about drum n bass is wicked, it's what I grew up on cos of my stinking brother :D

[PaulR]

I cant say I have, Id like to though.

Doubltess Aphex would hate it :lol:

Even in the late 90s, when Radiohead were name dropping Aphex all the time, saying he was a hge influence and they really looked up to him, Richard Snubbed them, and the rumour that they'd tour together, with the line "I wouldnt tour with them, because I dont like them". Blunt and to the point, but when a man as talented as Prichard G. Kraymes is talking about some goons like Radiohead, he is allowed to be so blunt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIGvGsNmaQE&search=come%20to%20daddy

Live from Reading.

[peeted]

that vid is nowere near as good as the recorded version and dilinger escape plan = a million times better on a smaller stage!

[Linkinbassist]

That DEP video...was just noise.

Blunt and to the point, but when a man as talented as Prichard G. Kraymes is talking about some goons like Radiohead, he is allowed to be so blunt.

Yeah, Radiohead, who managed to basically re-write the rules of modern music, are just some goons...:rolleyes:

[d-mart]

That DEP video...was just noise.



Yeah, Radiohead, who managed to basically re-write the rules of modern music, are just some goons...:rolleyes:

Radiohead are amazing but compared to re-writing music Aphex makes them look like goons.