Review Duality to Be Introduced Tomorrow

[mx]

Unless something else comes up of course. It's about 50% done. If things get chaotic, just wait it out. If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out the summer changes thread.

[Hep Kat]

Awesome :cool:



I'm glad you got an oppurtunity to work on things. Must have been hard.

[niobium]

This will be a very interesting change... I'm excited.

[Iluvatar]

teh awesome, can't wait to see how its all set up.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Pretty fly. Should be great.

[masada]

it doesn't seem like that big of a change from what the othe rpost says.

[Phaedra]

I skimmed through that thread and obviously missed what review duality is.

Can somebody please explain it to me?

[Dave de Sylvia]

I read the thread but I'm not really sure what it is either, so I guess it'll reveal itself to me when implemented.

[Hep Kat]

I skimmed through that thread and obviously missed what review duality is.

Can somebody please explain it to me?

Blurbs and reviews are going to essentially be the same thing. We're now going to focus on quality of writing, not quantity. Basically detailed reviews of "blurb" length will now be accepted as reviews.

There's also going to be a "sounding off" feature implemented. It's going to basically be like this. (http://www.epinions.com/musc_mu-136190/display_~reviews) It's intended to allow people to express their opinions on an album (and even their whole collection) in a way that's seperate from the actual thread connected to the album review. It'll allow people to contribute without any real standards; I assume it'll serve mostly as an acclamation tool for new users.


I think that's what it is.

[masada]

uh

it basically sounds like the site as it is right now

[Iluvatar]

Thing is some blurbs can pass off as reviews, but then some would fit better as "sound offs". Oh well, the problem is in good hands anyways.

[Hep Kat]

uh

it basically sounds like the site as it is right now

Not really. With sounding off, people can express their own feelings without any type of criticism or anything like that. Users can feel free to simply write "I love this album," and that will be acceptable.

It also means that you can write a review of short length and not worry about neg votes, as long as it's good.

Thing is some blurbs can pass off as reviews, but then some would fit better as "sound offs". Oh well, the problem is in good hands anyways.

Right. My earliest ones would be more like "sound offs," mostly because I wrote them the day blurbs were implemented. Since then, you guys have raised their standard, thus, making me look bad :p

[mx]

Don't worry, not all blurbs will be turned into reviews,some will be turned into soundoffs

[Hep Kat]

Don't worry, not all blurbs will be turned into reviews,some will be turned into soundoffs

Sounds good to me :)

[pulseczar]

This is the only change to the site that I don't like at all, but it's good to see the site is always changing, I guess.

[Hep Kat]

This is the only change to the site that I don't like at all, but it's good to see the site is always changing, I guess.

Out of curiosity, why don't you like it?

[Storm In A Teacup]

I should have waited on turning in those three blurbs yesterday.

[pulseczar]

Out of curiosity, why don't you like it?
Well, I think sounding off could be done in the comments sections, and I don't want things I wrote as blurbs to be considered actual reviews. I think it just complicates the site, it was perfect before. [/joy-kill amidst the satisfaction :-\]

[Hep Kat]

Well, I think sounding off could be done in the comments sections, and I don't want things I wrote as blurbs to be considered actual reviews. I think it just complicates the site, it was perfect before. [/joy-kill amidst the satisfaction :-\]

/shrugs


You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I think these changes will only serve to aid the growth of Sputnik. That's what we all want anyway: to see Sputnik really take off.

[masada]

What's the point of getting rid of blurbs if you're just going to put little ones in their place?

I think the ideas of Sounds-Offs is stupid. So meh.

[mx]

I love how people here are either nice or extremely negative. Try not to use words like 'stupid'

[Hep Kat]

I love how people here are either nice or extremely negative. Try not to use words like 'stupid'

Ignore Nick. He's something of a jerk, but he means well...usually.

[DFelon204409]

How about "hellsa gay?"

But for reals, I don't like the option of sounding off. I feel that I like to read people's opinions on albums within the comments. If somebody all of a sudden (re)discovers an album and wants to bump up an old review, don't you want then starting discussion about their opinion of the album? You're discouraging people from bumping with new insights or what have you because they'll be worried about sounding off or whatever. Also, who is going to bump a review just to weigh in on the quality of someone's review. Very few.

[mx]

Guys, if you don't like the feature don't use it. It's that simple. I have valid reasons for creating the feature.

[Hep Kat]

How about "hellsa gay?"

But for reals, I don't like the option of sounding off. I feel that I like to read people's opinions on albums within the comments. If somebody all of a sudden (re)discovers an album and wants to bump up an old review, don't you want then starting discussion about their opinion of the album? You're discouraging people from bumping with new insights or what have you because they'll be worried about sounding off or whatever. Also, who is going to bump a review just to weigh in on the quality of someone's review. Very few.

I don't think the intent of sounding off is to kill all album discussion in the review threads. I think it's designed more to alleviate hostilities that may pop up between users and their opinions. It also allows the thread to focus on it's main goal (assessment of the review) just a little bit better.

[DFelon204409]

I don't think the main goal should be about quality of review. That turns sputnik into a critique forum. I and I'm sure most other people care about other people's opinions on the music rather that their own writing. I don't know about you, but I'm not here to prune my prose. I just want to talk about music.

[Hep Kat]

I don't think the main goal should be about quality of review. That turns sputnik into a critique forum. I and I'm sure most other people care about other people's opinions on the music rather that their own writing. I don't know about you, but I'm not here to prune my prose. I just want to talk about music.

That's understandable. But like I said: they won't kill all musical discussion in reviews.

Think of it this way: isn't it irritating if someone comes into your review, that you put a lot of effort into, and gives it a rating that's completely contradictory to you own while saying "This album sucks" or "This album rules," without even backing up their claims. I think that's annoying, and I believe that it's tantamount to spam. With sounding off, people can drag that to an area of the site where they can express their opinions without any type of backlash, or without pissing anyone off.

[Iluvatar]

But it isn't saying "No music discussion." Sound-off's are for if you want your opinion to be heard outside of the discussion; of course discussion of the album is going to be encouraged still. Did blurbs ever detract from music discussion? No. All mx did here was put more lenient standards when it came to reviews essentially. Nothing else much has truly changed.

[tom79]

I don't know, im not sure if I like the sound-off thing either. Its actually not so much that, but I kinda liked blurbs too. I'll probably have my 5 blurbs deleted sooner or later so I guess it doesn't matter.

[Hep Kat]

But it isn't saying "No music discussion." Sound-off's are for if you want your opinion to be heard outside of the discussion; of course discussion of the album is going to be encouraged still. Did blurbs ever detract from music discussion? No. All mx did here was put more lenient standards when it came to reviews essentially. Nothing else much has truly changed.

Yep. Now things will just flow a little smoother; less fights, less spam, less headaches. Everyone wins.

I don't know, im not sure if I like the sound-off thing either. Its actually not so much that, but I kinda liked blurbs too. I'll probably have my 5 blurbs deleted sooner or later so I guess it doesn't matter.

What people (and I don't mean you personally) aren't grasping is that blurbs were done away with because most people were writing them with review quality and detail. They're essentially still in place (as there are new guidelines on longevity of reviews), only they now count as reviews rather than blurbs. You can still write something of blurb length, and as long as it's good, it will be accepted.

[Storm In A Teacup]

I love this. Most of my reviews now are going to be 2-3 paragraphs.

[DFelon204409]

That's understandable. But like I said: they won't kill all musical discussion in reviews.

Think of it this way: isn't it irritating if someone comes into your review, that you put a lot of effort into, and gives it a rating that's completely contradictory to you own while saying "This album sucks" or "This album rules," without even backing up their claims. I think that's annoying, and I believe that it's tantamount to spam. With sounding off, people can drag that to an area of the site where they can express their opinions without any type of backlash, or without pissing anyon

No, I think it's annoying when people neg my review and then don't back it up in the comments, or back it up idiotly, (take my As Cities Burn review as an example). If anything I'd want to turn responding to writing ability as something I get in a private message or an e-mail. How many times have you seen decent reviewers get swayed either towards being loved or hated because of very public opinions by prominent mxers? Admittedly, the same thing happens with album ratings, but it's not a member's feelings or ability at stake for misrepresentation.

But really though. I don't get pissed when people just come and give low rankings. They just look dumb in that case. On the other hand negging is semi-anonymous. The only time I have been pissed with random low rankings was with my Funeral Diner review because the user did it and admitted to me in e-mail that he just didn't like me and couldn't figure out how to neg my review.

[Hep Kat]

No, I think it's annoying when people neg my review and then don't back it up in the comments, or back it up idiotly, (take my As Cities Burn review as an example). If anything I'd want to turn responding to writing ability as something I get in a private message or an e-mail. How many times have you seen decent reviewers get swayed either towards being loved or hated because of very public opinions by prominent mxers? Admittedly, the same thing happens with album ratings, but it's not a member's feelings or ability at stake for misrepresentation.

But really though. I don't get pissed when people just come and give low rankings. They just look dumb in that case. On the other hand negging is semi-anonymous. The only time I have been pissed with random low rankings was with my Funeral Diner review because the user did it and admitted to me in e-mail that he just didn't like me and couldn't figure out how to neg my review.

We all have our quirks, I suppose. I don't see what the big deal about any of this is, really. If you don't like any of Sputnik's features, just don't use them, as mx said. It's as simple as that.

[Iluvatar]

Good job mx, two thumbs up on this feature in my book.

[DFelon204409]

We all have our quirks, I suppose. I don't see what the big deal about any of this is, really. If you don't like any of Sputnik's features, just don't use them, as mx said. It's as simple as that.

I bet it's not a quirk and that at least half of the people here feel the same way.

[Hep Kat]

I bet it's not a quirk and that at least half of the people here feel the same way.

That's not the point.

[masada]

well at first they made it seem as if we had to use the sound off thing instead of voicing our opinions in the comments section. unless that is actually the case...?

[mx]

Every change I've made has been contested by "at least half of the people." Things haven't turned out so badly though.

[Iluvatar]

Can I perchance inquire as to what is going to be implemented next?

Faux-Edit: Alright cool.

[mx]

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