Wow, steve bailey and victor wooten

[JBJ]

really good stuff, didn't know bailey's playing too much until i saw these videos. sorry if this is a repost, but the videos were uploaded recently so i thought it'd be cool to see what you all thought.

a chick from corea (nice):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rqoWC_KHIHQ&search=victor%20wooten

bangkok blues (really good harmonics):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSPFvVNCTeg&search=victor%20wooten

stan the man:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V3inBBgXKTs&search=victor%20wooten

victor's jam:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MDmanmyUH6Q&search=victor%20wooten



there's about five more on this page from the entire 9 if anybody wants to see them all:
http://youtube.com/results?search=victor%20wooten&sort=relevance&page=3

[Left Shoe]

tasteless dting in stan the man

[Akira]

Wooten does tasteless DTing all the time. Almost all of his really really fast dt runs are pretty tasteless in my opinion. Good thing he can groove.

I have the Bass Extremes DVD, it's a good buy.

[Left Shoe]

i have the cd and the book, i dont particularly any of the songs enough to buy the dvd. i bet if you slowed down some of his runs it would be sloppy

[Chris K]

I don't see why Wooten pretends he can't play with a triplet feel like Stan so he DT's....

However, it's an amazing dvd that.

[Akira]

i have the cd and the book, i dont particularly any of the songs enough to buy the dvd. i bet if you slowed down some of his runs it would be sloppy
I would rather have the CD/book, but my mom got me the DVD for Christmas and it is definately cool.

[Left Shoe]

its weird, the transcriptions from the book and what i saw in the video of chick corea are inconsistent, that run steve bailey does in the book says he starts on the 12th fret b string, he definitley starts way down the neck in the video

[peeted]

i was waching these a few days ago, there pretty good. i like the donna lee cover.

[willibassist]

its weird, the transcriptions from the book and what i saw in the video of chick corea are inconsistent, that run steve bailey does in the book says he starts on the 12th fret b string, he definitley starts way down the neck in the video

he might adapt it every time he plays, its gotta get boring playing the same stuff again and again for a virtuoso like him:rolleyes:

[peeted]

yea the solos on the vid are diffrent to the solos on the cd. most certainley.

[Left Shoe]

he might adapt it every time he plays, its gotta get boring playing the same stuff again and again for a virtuoso like him:rolleyes:
id agree....if it was the same damn run just moved positions...dont challenge me "';...;'"

[willibassist]

yea the solos on the vid are diffrent to the solos on the cd. most certainley.

makes sense

(its spelt certainly darling)

[Left Shoe]

yea the solos on the vid are diffrent to the solos on the cd. most certainley.
not the run bailey does, the one thats just like "Root 5 9" just shifting positions

[peeted]

how far through the song is it?

[Left Shoe]

7:41, its not exactly the same , but its the same idea, only sloppy

[BassVirtuoso]

2:45 into the first video, Steve asks Victor what string he's playing. I was amazed.

Unless they are messing around

[willibassist]

victor's jam:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MDmanmyUH6Q&search=victor%20wooten

thats ace, first time i see him use his whammy bar

[Left Shoe]

2:45 into the first video, Steve asks Victor what string he's playing. I was amazed.

Unless they are messing around
was that sarcasm on your part?

[BassVirtuoso]

Nah I figured it was a joke, but none of them even smiled at it, and it made me feel uneasy.

[Esp Griffyn]

An amazing dvd for sure, 2 of the world's best bassists, totally in the zone.

EDIT: Ignus; there are a lot of uneasy attempts at humour inbetween the songs. Not to knock him, but Bailey seems to be a bit of a jerk at times. I know Victor must like or at least respect him, or he wouldnt invite him to teach at Bass nature camp, but while they gel musically, you get the impression that outside of the music arena, they wouldnt be such good friends.

[Akira]

Nah I figured it was a joke, but none of them even smiled at it, and it made me feel uneasy.
Yeah, I have never been totally sure about that.

[katana_manatee]

They were joking. Some people don't get that kind of humour and aren't used to sarcastic self-depreciating humour but they are just kidding around, both are extremely well versed in theory and aren't idiot-savants.

[BassVirtuoso]

It's a good thing Wooten is good at bass, or he'd just be a normal weird looking guy.

[Manticore Guy]

This is a really good dvd. The best part is what Steve Bailey does with the harmonics, up near the pickups. Absolutely awesome.

[Akira]

They were joking. Some people don't get that kind of humour and aren't used to sarcastic self-depreciating humour but they are just kidding around, both are extremely well versed in theory and aren't idiot-savants.
I figured it was a joke, but I always just thought it was weird. I know he knows the strings on a bass, but I just didn't really see the humor in it.

[Jody LeCompte]

I hate Wooten's tone so much.

[Killer Fridge]

I figured it was a joke, but I always just thought it was weird. I know he knows the strings on a bass, but I just didn't really see the humor in it.

I thought it was funny :upset:

[burtonbassist_101]

i like the stan the man video.

[cmogawa]

steve bailey got me doing atrificial harmonics

i never saw the victor jam video befor
and thats the first time i seen him use the whammy bar

[peeted]

am i the only one who didnt see him actualy use the whammy bar?

[Chris K]

An amazing dvd for sure, 2 of the world's best bassists, totally in the zone.

EDIT: Ignus; there are a lot of uneasy attempts at humour inbetween the songs. Not to knock him, but Bailey seems to be a bit of a jerk at times. I know Victor must like or at least respect him, or he wouldnt invite him to teach at Bass nature camp, but while they gel musically, you get the impression that outside of the music arena, they wouldnt be such good friends.

yeah, Bailey does seem to be a bit of a jerk at times to Victor, and it puzzled me and did make me feel slightly uneasy hearing it. It's during the talks between songs, it's a bit weird.

[Akira]

yeah, Bailey does seem to be a bit of a jerk at times to Victor, and it puzzled me and did make me feel slightly uneasy hearing it. It's during the talks between songs, it's a bit weird.
To me it came off as jerkiness, but it seemed less like intentional rudeness and more of a social ineptitude from Bailey. I think that while he has the musical virtuosity, he lacks the social grave that has helped make Wooten so famous.

[Chris K]

To me it came off as jerkiness, but it seemed less like intentional rudeness and more of a social ineptitude from Bailey. I think that while he has the musical virtuosity, he lacks the social grave that has helped make Wooten so famous.

yeah, he did come across at times as being "high and mighty" whereas Victor is self depreciating in an enormous sense (for instance, not trying to copy Stan's soloing style for fear of not being good enough at it). However, the dvd doesn't make Bailey look like a total jerk, so maybe it was just a couple of blips!

[Akira]

yeah, he did come across at times as being "high and mighty" whereas Victor is self depreciating in an enormous sense (for instance, not trying to copy Stan's soloing style for fear of not being good enough at it). However, the dvd doesn't make Bailey look like a total jerk, so maybe it was just a couple of blips!
Yeah. Things he said were probably also sort of magnified considering, in my mind, Wooten is the definition of chill. He just seems like such a nice guy.

[Killer Fridge]

I never saw him as acting like a jerk - seemed like humour to me

[HaVIC5]

Yeah, albiet rather lame in parts. I got a chance to talk with both steve and vic after the Bass Extremes show I saw, and they're great, down-to-earth guys. Steve is by no means arrogant, it's just his sort of style of humor.

EDIT: You all are just humorless squares. :p

[Killer Fridge]

Yeah, albiet rather lame in parts. I got a chance to talk with both steve and vic after the Bass Extremes show I saw, and they're great, down-to-earth guys. Steve is by no means arrogant, it's just his sort of style of humor.

I thought it was meant to be humour. Sadly enough I found the lame humour funny, and found it quite odd that people were saying that he was arrogant and rude to vic. I mean, look at his site, he doesnt exactly come of as arrogant there! Glad Im not the only one who thought that.

[HaVIC5]

Also, I definitely disagree with those who say the DTing in Stan the Man is tasteless. In fact, I think its one of the most tasteful places he could have done it. The solo was getting very hot, and Victor kicked it into high gear and let notes fly. The rhythm section was giving him room to go nuts, and he did, remaining tonal (which he unfortunately doesn't do sometimes when he DT's) and very pertinent to the musical ideas in the solo. I don't understand how thats tasteless. It's no more self-indulgent or wank-full than a tight jazz combo ripping through a standard.

Let me put it this way, when John Coltrane unleashes a torrent of notes at a billion miles an hour in every which way with his patented "sheets of sound" technique, I don't hear any of you calling it tasteless. Most would call it artistic and "getting into the solo", which it is and he was, and the same thing for Victor. Now if he was doing that sort of stuff during Steve's solo, that would be pretty tasteless, but he held down a simple, driving line in support of Steve's meanderings.

EDIT: I found Victor's Jam far more self-indulgent than Stan the Man.

[Left Shoe]

Let me put it this way, when John Coltrane unleashes a torrent of notes at a billion miles an hour in every which way with his patented "sheets of sound" technique, I don't hear any of you calling it tasteless. Most would call it artistic and "getting into the solo", which it is and he was, and the same thing for Victor. Now if he was doing that sort of stuff during Steve's solo, that would be pretty tasteless, but he held down a simple, driving line in support of Steve's meanderings.


we wont criticize coltrane because he plays sax (and hes phenomenal), but being bassplayers we can relate to some of what hes doing.

[Phalanx]

i downloaded the video off the internet.

I really need to learn how Steve does those two finger 2 octave major and minor scales, they're so cool to listen to

[HaVIC5]

we wont criticize coltrane because he plays sax (and hes phenomenal), but being bassplayers we can relate to some of what hes doing.
The instrument doesn't matter at all. The point is that the music being made is the same. The flurry of notes in both cases is done for artistic effect. You don't have to be a sax player to appreciate Coltrane's work, and you don't have to be a bass player to appreciate that DT work. Because we are bass players, we appreciate the technical aspect of what's going into it, but what I'm saying is that anybody can appreciate the musical aspect, which I've likened to Coltrane's specific style of playing.

[Wintermute]

Also, I definitely disagree with those who say the DTing in Stan the Man is tasteless. In fact, I think its one of the most tasteful places he could have done it. The solo was getting very hot, and Victor kicked it into high gear and let notes fly. The rhythm section was giving him room to go nuts, and he did, remaining tonal (which he unfortunately doesn't do sometimes when he DT's) and very pertinent to the musical ideas in the solo. I don't understand how thats tasteless. It's no more self-indulgent or wank-full than a tight jazz combo ripping through a standard.

Shockingly enough, tastelessness is a case of personal taste. I certainly agree that there was no better place than during an all bass jam, with Bailey keeping the groove, for Wooten to blast off with the double thumbing. Unfortunately, it sounded bad. Out of context it would have been worse, but out of earshot would have been better. :)

I love the Stan the Man video regardless though, as the lines Bailey starts pulling out after Wooten is done with the shred are some of the best I've ever heard come out of a bass. Truly inspired.

Wooten has been de-funked by a white man. :thumb:

[Phalanx]

Shockingly enough, tastelessness is a case of personal taste. I certainly agree that there was no better place than during an all bass jam, with Bailey keeping the groove, for Wooten to blast off with the double thumbing. Unfortunately, it sounded bad. Out of context it would have been worse, but out of earshot would have been better. :)

I love the Stan the Man video regardless though, as the lines Bailey starts pulling out after Wooten is done with the shred are some of the best I've ever heard come out of a bass. Truly inspired.

Wooten has been de-funked by a white man. :thumb:

My favourite part of Stan the Man is definately Steve's main parts. The artificial harmonic chord progression. Man, I wish I could create something like, I just don't know how you put chords together :(

[Killer Fridge]

Ahh, I love Baileys harmonics, first time I saw the videos, I didnt realise what he was doing, and thought "Wow, that 6 string must be tuned soo high". Im an idiot :upset:

But yeah, I strive to try and fit some AHs in my (very limited and poorly done)work, and as of yet - no luck :D

[Jody LeCompte]

Steve Baily's tone on A chick from Corea gives me chills.

[BassVirtuoso]

Bailey is one of the only people aside from Manring who has effectively used harmonics to double their range.

[Killer Fridge]

Steve Baily's tone on A chick from Corea gives me chills.

Baileys tone in anything gives me the chills.

I love that guy

[Jody LeCompte]

In the begining of the video when he's using distortion. Distortion on fretless instrments just sounds so sexy....

[VelveT]

How does Bailey get those crazy harmonics?

[ignignok]

2:45 into the first video, Steve asks Victor what string he's playing. I was amazed.

Unless they are messing around

Its a joke. Later on in the DVD, Bailey goes through what chords hes using and knows all the exact names for em and everything, so no way would he not know the string names.

[Phalanx]

Steve also gives the tuning notes at the beginning of the DVD

[HaVIC5]

Shockingly enough, tastelessness is a case of personal taste. I certainly agree that there was no better place than during an all bass jam, with Bailey keeping the groove, for Wooten to blast off with the double thumbing. Unfortunately, it sounded bad. Out of context it would have been worse, but out of earshot would have been better. :)

I love the Stan the Man video regardless though, as the lines Bailey starts pulling out after Wooten is done with the shred are some of the best I've ever heard come out of a bass. Truly inspired.

Wooten has been de-funked by a white man. :thumb:
People use the word tasteful here as defined by "with musical value", so thats how I used the word. You don't like Vic's playing here, thats fine by me, but there is definitely substance in the DTing in this particular example when compared with how John Coltrane solos. If you don't like his stuff, fine by me as well, but really, there are no musical or functional differances between the two in this case.

[HaVIC5]

In the begining of the video when he's using distortion. Distortion on fretless instrments just sounds so sexy....
He has this sort of half wet half dry thing going on in his signal where you can still hear the clean fretless tone but you also get the distortedness. Very cool. It's also kinda cool (but sometimes irritating) when he does the pitch shift up an octave with the distortion.

[tenorbass]

Good Stuff. I just watched the dvd yesterday. If you whant the book go to http://funk.on.br/kanter/Musical/ its called book>Bass Method :thumb: