Learning to play any scale - any key

[fishingforbasses]

I know a few guitarists who can play anything you throw at them. If you know the Major scale, and all its notes in ::Insert key here::, you can play any possible scale (Seeing as how every scale is built off the Major scale, directly or indirectly...)

??? Does anyone know any "tuts" or online resources that can assist in this process???

I began integrating theory and my playing about a year ago. Lets put it this way, I am not a theory person, and I know it will take me atleast TWICE as long to learn this than someone else. Learning Sheehan tapping will be easier than this (I can already sheehan tap...not perfectly, but quite descently...)

lol thx for the help

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[bottlerocket]

We've got a lessons and resources section. Look in there.

Also, try Googling some stuff. Buy music theory books. Any type of medium like that is helpful.

I'm from Saugus, MA. Where are you from? Just curious...always happy to see another Bostonian MXer on here.

-Gav

[Kilalues Guises]

sheehan cant tap

[Led_Zeppelin678]

sheehan cant tap

This kid is really starting to annoy me.

[Left Shoe]

i agree with josh, sheehan doesnt do much for tapping that hasnt been done before.

get a teacher whose theory oreinted, easiest way to do it

[Led_Zeppelin678]

i agree with josh, sheehan doesnt do much for tapping that hasnt been done before.

That might be a valid argument if he wasn't the one that did it before in the first place.

[Left Shoe]

sheehan is a guitar player with a bass in his hands, i think some guitarists did it before him

[mastrrbasser]

sheehan's tapping = holding one chord shape and doing a bunch of running with the right hand. wowwie.

[PaulR]

That might be a valid argument if he wasn't the one that did it before in the first place.
Unclear, do you mean that Sheehan is the one who adapted the guitar style of tapping to the bass first?

[trumpeter]

We've got a lessons and resources section. Look in there.

Also, try Googling some stuff. Buy music theory books. Any type of medium like that is helpful.

I'm from Saugus, MA. Where are you from? Just curious...always happy to see another Bostonian MXer on here.

-Gav


Are you saying everyone from Massachusetts is from Boston

SHUT UP.





Anyway: Sheehan is most def a guitarist with a bass



As far as theory, get a teacher that knows his theory.

[bottlerocket]

Doug: </3 Thanks, man...thanks a lot.

Since over half of MA's population is concentrated in or around Boston in the suburbs and stuff...I figured I had a shot...:(

-Gav

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Sheehan developed his tapping style before Van Halen came out. He heard Eruption and was surprised because he thought he was the only one doing it.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

sheehan's tapping = holding one chord shape and doing a bunch of running with the right hand. wowwie.

You obviously haven't listened to very much of his music, or if you have you don't know what you're talking about. The only song I can think of where he does that is NV43345.

[PaulR]

He also claims to have gotten the idea for two-handed tapping from Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, who used his right hand index finger to tap a note on the fretboard of his guitar at a concert Billy attended.

Psh. He only stole it from ZZ Top.

[Left Shoe]

wait, is someone going to attack the credibility of wikipedia now?

[Phalanx]

http://www.activebass.com/basics/stable.asp

There's how you construct most of the scales using the Major scale

I think that fits exactly what you wanted

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Psh. He only stole it from ZZ Top.

Yeah, he saw Gibbons tap one note and he took it from there to make pretty much the same thing Van Halen did, but on a different instrument.

[trumpeter]

wait, is someone going to attack the credibility of wikipedia now?


Probably pretty likely.

[mastrrbasser]

You obviously haven't listened to very much of his music, or if you have you don't know what you're talking about. The only song I can think of where he does that is NV43345.


nope, i don't know anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IuMnRHM4U&search=addicted%20to%20that%20%20rush


i would love to see him tap a major scale though, being that he only uses two fingers as one. Very efficient if i must say so myself.

[trumpeter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5-mPbkKw8&search=david%20lee%20roth

Then again...van halen is now desecrated by DLR.

[low-G]

i read somewhere Billy Sheehan was the one who taught Eddie Van Halen about tapping

[mastrrbasser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5-mPbkKw8&search=david%20lee%20roth

Then again...van halen is now desecrated by DLR.



wow. wow. i am at a loss for words.

[Left Shoe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5-mPbkKw8&search=david%20lee%20roth

Then again...van halen is now desecrated by DLR.
*gag*

[Phalanx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5-mPbkKw8&search=david%20lee%20roth

Then again...van halen is now desecrated by DLR.

what's the guitarist on the right doing with his guitar? he's playing it with it flat on his leg

It's a nice tune though, the folk band in many ways has improved that song imo :smoke:

[mastrrbasser]

what's the guitarist on the right doing with his guitar? he's playing it with it flat on his leg

It's a nice tune though, the folk band in many ways has improved that song imo :smoke:


not the vocals though.

[Polyamarous]

Doug: </3 Thanks, man...thanks a lot.

Since over half of MA's population is concentrated in or around Boston in the suburbs and stuff...I figured I had a shot...:(

-Gav

If your from Saugus, whats Boston got to do with it? Or am I completely missing something :confused:

[PaulR]

what's the guitarist on the right doing with his guitar? he's playing it with it flat on his leg

It's a nice tune though, the folk band in many ways has improved that song imo :smoke:
It looks like he's playing slide.

[sixner]

hm... a thread on scales has turned into a thread on Sheehan and Boston

:lol:

i dont know anything of any of the 3

except, i do have some friends in Seekonk, MA (southern MA)
-Sixner

[EADG]

sheehan's tapping = holding one chord shape and doing a bunch of running with the right hand. wowwie.


1) Isn't your avatar a picture of Sheehan?
2) He actually does do more than that.
3) I'd love to see you say that to his face.
4) Better yet I'd love to see you up against him on stage.

[willibassist]

1) Isn't your avatar a picture of Sheehan?
2) He actually does do more than that.
3) I'd love to see you say that to his face.
4) Better yet I'd love to see you up against him on stage.
5) Even better, I'd like to see you have a naked wrestle with him

fix'd:thumb:

[Munky_Jam]

This kid is really starting to annoy me.
well you annoy everyone else so i guess we're all even.
and he's right. as is left shoe

[Led_Zeppelin678]

1) Isn't your avatar a picture of Sheehan?
2) He actually does do more than that.
3) I'd love to see you say that to his face.
4) Better yet I'd love to see you up against him on stage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/ledzep678/stallowned.jpg

[willibassist]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/ledzep678/stallowned.jpg

:p

who posted the "pwned" pic of a granny gettin kicked in the face or something

[Led_Zeppelin678]

well you annoy everyone else so i guess we're all even.
and he's right. as is left shoe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/ledzep678/care.jpg

[willibassist]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/ledzep678/care.jpg

i'm in row f seat 46

[Kilalues Guises]

now there is some tap bass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZMeRTQ_dNA

[Phalanx]

1) Isn't your avatar a picture of Sheehan?
2) He actually does do more than that.
3) I'd love to see you say that to his face.
4) Better yet I'd love to see you up against him on stage.

i can't really agree with that actually. So what if his avatar is of sheehan, it's still ok to like crap bassists. Look at all the people who love Mark Hoppus, Mike Dirnt and Flea (i'll regret saying this). Some people acknowledge that they're not as good as Jaco or Wooten but they still like them.

[willibassist]

now there is some tap bass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZMeRTQ_dNA

how many strings was that?

[Kilalues Guises]

how many strings was that?
6..

[Akira]

i can't really agree with that actually. So what if his avatar is of sheehan, it's still ok to like crap bassists. Look at all the people who love Mark Hoppus, Mike Dirnt and Flea (i'll regret saying this). Some people acknowledge that they're not as good as Jaco or Wooten but they still like them.
You become as famous as those bassists (especially Flea, but Dirnt too) then start talking trash. Those two bassists got famous writing very good, if not always hard, bass lines, and then playing them solidly on stage with amazing energy. They are not crap.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

now there is some tap bass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZMeRTQ_dNA

Wow, somebody playing a cover of an easy Victor Wooten song that's actually a cover of someone else's song! I bow down to your superior taste!

[Left Shoe]

you listen to rush...so id say his taste is pretty superior :p

[will66]

whats wrong with rush?

[willibassist]

Wow, somebody playing a cover of an easy Victor Wooten song that's actually a cover of someone else's song! I bow down to your superior taste!

its good music, dont be a jerk

[Led_Zeppelin678]

i can't really agree with that actually. So what if his avatar is of sheehan, it's still ok to like crap bassists. Look at all the people who love Mark Hoppus, Mike Dirnt and Flea (i'll regret saying this). Some people acknowledge that they're not as good as Jaco or Wooten but they still like them.

I don't think I've ever heard a more arrogant statement in my entire life.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

you listen to rush...so id say his taste is pretty superior :p

And you listen to emo...so I'd say you don't have any taste at all.

[will66]

i didn't realize technical abilities= good music

[Left Shoe]

whats wrong with rush?

i didn't realize technical abilities= good music
o_O

[will66]

:eek: (|========3

[Led_Zeppelin678]

i didn't realize technical abilities= good music

In my opinion, music is a way to "move" someone. When someone hears a song like Crazy Train, it can move them to head-bang, sing along, etc. When someone hears a song like The Ytse Jam, it can move them to be amazed at the musicianship. If it makes you think, makes you cry, makes you jump around, makes you remember, makes you want to excel at your instrument, makes you drive faster, if it makes you feel better than you do when you're not listening to it, THAT is good music.

[Akira]

Rush FTW.

[FunkMetalBass]

wait, is someone going to attack the credibility of wikipedia now?

Stephen Colbert did the other day. It was rather funny.

[/off topic]

Check the Lessons & References section. Also, try places like http://www.activebass.com and http://www.cyberfretbass.com

They have a bunch of lessons geared towards questions like this.

[Munky_Jam]

actually normally i disagree with led zep on principle, cause hes an arrogant jerk. but i have to sat sheehan is actually pretty cool on the tapping front. He's not the best and i don't like his music (i think he's rather tasteless generally and i think he should just play guitar) but at the same time he's not a one trick pony and he does seem to move alot of people. Go team hair metal!

[Bass-AKIRA]

I dont like how Paul Glbert doesn't use his middle finger to play...

It's kind of disconcerning:confused:

[mastrrbasser]

1) Isn't your avatar a picture of Sheehan?
2) He actually does do more than that.
3) I'd love to see you say that to his face.
4) Better yet I'd love to see you up against him on stage.


1. yes it is, and it's under a title that says "speed=/= good," because all his solos sound the same(fast and annoying) to me.
2. i don't care
3. What's his address, he wont care, he's probably heard it before several times.
4. once again i don't care. music isn't a contest, there are several bassists(thousands upon thousands probably) better than me. it doesn't mean i have to like all of them. While techinical proficancy is important when it comes to any instrument, if you can't make my head nod, you can't make it nod. end of story.

in conclusion, i'm not personally attacking you, i just dislike sheehan, this is a discussion forum and I should be able to voice my opinion withoutout your stupid remarks about how he can show me up on stage, because he is probably a better showman than me anyways, but it doesn't mean i have to like his sucky music.

and zeppelin:

please grow up. You're in your 20s and you you throw a hissy fit every time someone dislikes something you like. No one cares. No one.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

1. yes it is, and it's under a title that says "speed=/= good," because all his solos sound the same(fast and annoying) to me.
2. i don't care
3. What's his address, he wont care, he's probably heard it before several times.
4. once again i don't care. music isn't a contest, there are several bassists(thousands upon thousands probably) better than me. it doesn't mean i have to like all of them. While techinical proficancy is important when it comes to any instrument, if you can't make my head nod, you can't make it nod. end of story.

in conclusion, i'm not personally attacking you, i just dislike sheehan, this is a discussion forum and I should be able to voice my opinion withoutout your stupid remarks about how he can show me up on stage, because he is probably a better showman than me anyways, but it doesn't mean i have to like his sucky music.

and zeppelin:

please grow up. You're in your 20s and you you throw a hissy fit every time someone dislikes something you like. No one cares. No one.

Three cheers for hypocrisy!

[mastrrbasser]

Three cheers for hypocrisy!



I voice it in a respectful manner most of the time.


example:
random person
do you like taking back sunday?

me: meh, that band is alright, but they're really not my style.
you: EMO SUX!

i'm really not throwing a "hissy fit"

i said that i disliekd sheehans tapping for wahtever reason, and EADG jumped down my throat like i was personally attacking him. it's different. you're just arrogant all the time.

when i say it's fast and annoying "to me" that means not that it IS fast and annoying, but that it just SOUNDS fast and annoying TO ME. not to everybody elses ears, but my ears.

[Jody LeCompte]

I'd just like to take this time to mention that I really doubt your in the presence of guitarist that can play every scale... Mayve every scale you throw at them but I doubt they can play anything.

[mastrrbasser]

I'd just like to take this time to mention that I really doubt your in the presence of guitarist that can play every scale... Mayve every scale you throw at them but I doubt they can play everything.


i think that's what you meant to say.

[Munky_Jam]

now we're just getting petty boys. And Zep, you throw a dam.ned hissy fit in your 20's if you want to. I do

[Munky_Jam]

I dont like how Paul Glbert doesn't use his middle finger to play...

It's kind of disconcerning:confused:
possibly stupid question, who is paul gilbert

[Jody LeCompte]

i think that's what you meant to say.
Rightio :thumb:

I was jamming with one of my old guitarist and he started playing in what he said was "G Bebop locrian". I didn't know what to play over that =/

Paul Gilbert played with Racer X and Mr Big, and it doesn't matter what fingers he uses because he is the cleanest player in rock.

[mastrrbasser]

Rightio :thumb:

I was jamming with one of my old guitarist and he started playing in what he said was "G Bebop locrian". I didn't know what to play over that =/


locran has a flatted 2nd flatted third, flatted fifth, flatted sixth, and flatted seventh (this is off of the top of my head). If you played the locrian mode you'd be fine i think becuase the bebop scale has a flatted fifth. I'm sick and tired, so i could have made an error, but i think you'll be fine playing G locrian.
i think any kind of diminished arpeggio would sound alright too. Also whole tone scales.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

I voice it in a respectful manner most of the time.


example:
random person
do you like taking back sunday?

me: meh, that band is alright, but they're really not my style.
you: EMO SUX!

i'm really not throwing a "hissy fit"

i said that i disliekd sheehans tapping for wahtever reason, and EADG jumped down my throat like i was personally attacking him. it's different. you're just arrogant all the time.

when i say it's fast and annoying "to me" that means not that it IS fast and annoying, but that it just SOUNDS fast and annoying TO ME. not to everybody elses ears, but my ears.

First of all, let's actually look at how this started...you said something that was factually wrong, not opinion, and I corrected you mostly to let everyone else know that this wasn't the case (not for the first time, I might add). Then, all of a sudden, you're attacking me and saying I should grow up and that I throw hissy fits. Perhaps you should learn to take correction a bit better?

[Munky_Jam]

Paul Gilbert played with Racer X and Mr Big, and it doesn't matter what fingers he uses because he is the cleanest player in rock.
cool i dig the old racer X, quite abit. their stuff is pretty hard to get over here.

[Jody LeCompte]

Racer X had pretty good guitar playing but it was pretty atonal at times. I dig his work with Mr Big more because it's more rhythmic and cool.

[mastrrbasser]

First of all, let's actually look at how this started...you said something that was factually wrong, not opinion, and I corrected you mostly to let everyone else know that this wasn't the case (not for the first time, I might add). Then, all of a sudden, you're attacking me and saying I should grow up and that I throw hissy fits. Perhaps you should learn to take correction a bit better?


actually i said what i though about his tapping and you said i "didn't know anything." I think his tapping is sub par, especially on the right hand. There are a lot of limitiations if you want to tap his way. You can only do so much with the right hand when you're only using one or two fingers, compared to using a whole hand.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

No, I said that either you hadn't listened to much of his music or that you didn't know what you were talking about, which is much different from not knowing anything. If you don't know what you're talking about, it means that you are speaking about one particular subject (Sheehan's tapping abilities, in this instance) that you haven't looked into enough to properly talk about. If I would have said that you didn't know anything, It would have meant that you were an idiot who can barely think (which is not my opinion of you).

[mastrrbasser]

No, I said that either you hadn't listened to much of his music or that you didn't know what you were talking about, which is much different from not knowing anything. If you don't know what you're talking about, it means that you are speaking about one particular subject (Sheehan's tapping abilities, in this instance) that you haven't looked into enough to properly talk about. If I would have said that you didn't know anything, It would have meant that you were an idiot who can barely think (which is not my opinion of you).


okay, but i've downloaded mr. big albums, and listened to his stuff with niacin (sp), and it doesn't do it for me. I look into stuff before i dislike it, and i can safely say i dislike sheehans style, and find it flawed for whatever reasons i find it flawed. let's just agree to disagree at this point, this is stupid.

[Jody LeCompte]

...

-points at sheehan avatar-

[mastrrbasser]

dammit, no one is ever going to get that joke. READ THE USER TITLE AND THEN LOOK AT THE AVATAR!!!







that's it...I'm changing it.

[Jody LeCompte]

Owned by the black man.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

okay, but i've downloaded mr. big albums, and listened to his stuff with niacin (sp), and it doesn't do it for me. I look into stuff before i dislike it, and i can safely say i dislike sheehans style, and find it flawed for whatever reasons i find it flawed. let's just agree to disagree at this point, this is stupid.

Alright then :chug:

[Munky_Jam]

okay, but i've downloaded mr. big albums, and listened to his stuff with niacin (sp), and it doesn't do it for me. I look into stuff before i dislike it, and i can safely say i dislike sheehans style, and find it flawed for whatever reasons i find it flawed. let's just agree to disagree at this point, this is stupid.
thats it i'm telling lars you've been downloading albums and he'll come around and kick you in the balls tonight.

[mastrrbasser]

hah, right after i put up the new avatar.

[Left Shoe]

Rightio :thumb:

I was jamming with one of my old guitarist and he started playing in what he said was "G Bebop locrian". I didn't know what to play over that =/

Paul Gilbert played with Racer X and Mr Big, and it doesn't matter what fingers he uses because he is the cleanest player in rock.
bebop major has a 5, a flat 6, and a nat 6. so in minor
itd be a regular minor with a minor 7 and a major 7.
so to put it in locrean...
i would assume, having not ever have had to deal with this before , you would...scheit i have no idea haha

[Jody LeCompte]

I had no idea what to do.

Luckily he was playing rhythm(a single note melody)so I could just double what he was playing without seeming overly wanky.

He's a theory nerd, I usually don't mind but some nights he wants to pull the weirdest shitout his ***

[Left Shoe]

find out what that scale is for me, i really wanna know, not knowing bugs me like...fish, yeah you heard me

[Jody LeCompte]

I'll try to get it from him.

[Jody LeCompte]

Bebop Locrian Add 5 Bebop Dorian
|--------------------2--4--5--|--------------------3--4--5--|
|-----------3--4--5-----------|-----------3--5--7-----------|
|--3--4--6--------------------|--3--5--6--------------------|
|-----------------------------|-----------------------------|


Thats all I could find on google...

I saw a thread while I was searching though on some forum called "What scales should I learn"

"I learnde my three major scales: G major minor and mixalydian, what now?"