Drug addiction

[KurtCobain2902]

I know drug threads aren't aloud, but this one is different, and I'm putting it in here to try and get some serious responses. I was just wondering who on here has had a drug problem, what drug they used, and how they decided to get help. I have a friend who is getting more and more into it, and he really wants to stop, but he can't. If he isn't high on something, he's not happy. What should he do?

Share your experiences.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Well my uncle used to be a crack/pot addict. He was the same way as your friend. If he wasn't high he wasn't any thing nice to be arround. So my friends mom said lets take him to church. I put it off for over a year (asking him to come), since he wasn't any wear near the religious type.

One week I decided to ask him, and to my supprise he decided to go. So we whent, and that sunday our pastor was talking about his life before he became a Christian. He was an alcoholic, and a drug user. He talked about his life and how becoming a Christian turned him around. So my uncle hearing this decided to try this church thing. He ended up going about every other day and joined their drug rehab program. Which was a an awesome place up in the mountains and had really good fishing (he's huge on fishing) and after about a year and half (longest year and half of his life he said), he'd kicked it. He now shares his experiances with others who are at the rehab and at church when people ask about it.

[-1up!-]

I don't have a long time experience with cannabis, having started to consume it on a regular basis about a year ago; though I have the impression something's "missing" when I haven't smoked pot for a couple of days (I smoke marijuana pretty much daily, but it's the only thing I smoke except the weekly cigar). I don't get any physical addiction reactions, only sometimes this: "hey... I'd smoke a joint" feeling.

Some things don't help, though. There are some activities which I prefer doing when high, such as going to the movies or to a music show. To the point where going to the movie theater NOT high feels... not normal. I'm a very trippy and easygoing person, and being high is a pleasure I would rather not deprive myself of.

[Hutch306]

I'm a very trippy and easygoing person, and being high is a pleasure I would rather not deprive myself of.

You make it sound so wonderful, yet I still somehow know that it ruins people...

[Reaganista]

drug use is the ultimate in capitalist indulgence

ok maybe department stores

but drug use is second

[Mr. Ron]

I know drug threads aren't aloud, but this one is different, and I'm putting it in here to try and get some serious responses. I was just wondering who on here has had a drug problem, what drug they used, and how they decided to get help. I have a friend who is getting more and more into it, and he really wants to stop, but he can't. If he isn't high on something, he's not happy. What should he do?

Share your experiences.
Sounds like your friend has a chemical imbalance.

[Samuel]

Make sure he tries a variety of approaches if he has a hard time kicking. Different people respond to different treatments. Also, different programs with the same type of treatment will have different views. Some people work well in the 12 step programs, spiritual based or secular. Some people work better on a one on one basis with a psychologist or psychiatrist, and an antidepressant to treat some of the underlying causes. And of course, there's always the retreat rehabs.

Sounds like your friend has a chemical imbalance.
First thing I thought too.

If I were to be a clever dick online MD, then I'd tell him to see a psychiatrist and try medications.

[Amit]

Well my uncle used to be a crack/pot addict. He was the same way as your friend. If he wasn't high he wasn't any thing nice to be arround. So my friends mom said lets take him to church. I put it off for over a year (asking him to come), since he wasn't any wear near the religious type.

One week I decided to ask him, and to my supprise he decided to go. So we whent, and that sunday our pastor was talking about his life before he became a Christian. He was an alcoholic, and a drug user. He talked about his life and how becoming a Christian turned him around. So my uncle hearing this decided to try this church thing. He ended up going about every other day and joined their drug rehab program. Which was a an awesome place up in the mountains and had really good fishing (he's huge on fishing) and after about a year and half (longest year and half of his life he said), he'd kicked it. He now shares his experiances with others who are at the rehab and at church when people ask about it.

Marijuana isn't addictive.

[Mr. Ron]

Marijuana isn't addictive.
You know, i've heard that a lot. Is that really true?

[The Wizard of Oz]

Marijuanna is addictive like some computer games are. They don't physically force you to play them, but some people get physcologically dependant on them.

[-1up!-]

You make it sound so wonderful, yet I still somehow know that it ruins people...

It's wonderful for me. I feel drugs are wonderful when you do them smartly, except if you get to the heavy stuff which makes you addicted really easily - I won't get into crystal meth and such.

Yep, drugs ruin people. I'm not encouraging anyone to do them. I see drugs as a thin rope; sure you can walk on it if you're really careful. One bad step and you might fall, though.

[ringworm]

I don't have a long time experience with cannabis, having started to consume it on a regular basis about a year ago; though I have the impression something's "missing" when I haven't smoked pot for a couple of days (I smoke marijuana pretty much daily, but it's the only thing I smoke except the weekly cigar). I don't get any physical addiction reactions, only sometimes this: "hey... I'd smoke a joint" feeling.
Pretty much the same situation here except I have a long time experience with it.
Everynow & then I drop it just to take a slight break from it.
If the worst thing someone can say about me at my funeral is, "well, he liked his mary jane". I can live with that. :smoke:
Some things don't help, though. There are some activities which I prefer doing when high, such as going to the movies or to a music show. To the point where going to the movie theater NOT high feels... not normal.
Same here
Marijuanna is addictive like some computer games are. They don't physically force you to play them, but some people get physcologically dependant on them.
Exactly.
Some people can control a habit, some can't. But it's not physically addictive.

[Wolf-]

SWIM had great times on drugs. But like someone said in this thread, doing drugs is a rope, and it's way too easy to fall into the depths. Being a drug user is not recommended for everyone. You need to have a very strong will, and stand by your principles. If you play the game by the right rules, the risk if minimal and you can have a great time. Of course you will have bad times on drugs, but then again, you've probably had a bad relationship too in the past. Are you giving up p u ssy? I don't think so.

[Reaganista]

a principled drug user is a laughable concept
bolivian, columbian and other proletarians live through hell on earth so you can get high

unless you grow it yourself. your material excesses still make you an eichman, but your drug use not particularly moreso than anything else.

[Wolf-]

a principled drug user is a laughable concept
bolivian, columbian and other proletarians live through hell on earth so you can get high

unless you grow it yourself. your material excesses still make you an eichman, but your drug use not particularly moreso than anything else.
Does it matter? The only thing that matters is being happy until the day you die. I believe drugs have done some good things for everyone of us.

[Mr. Ron]

Personally, I think we would all be better off without any drugs (save the helpful ones). They always have negative aspects in the end, no way in getting around it.

[DBoons Ghost]

Interesting takes so far.

Meh. Drugs aint all that bad. Use don't abuse should be your motto. People who use drugs to escape something are done for from the get. Then again, why else use them? Recreation? Yeah that's a totall cop out folks.


I've done just about everything, and I still smoke some pot here and there, and I never fell apart or got hooked on anything really, and my life is peachy. My offspring are healthy, and I flourished in my career, and I have no health problems at all. I smoked pot for close to 20 years now. So.. Who's to say?

It's lack of education all around. Just say no and drugs are bad and all that.. Yeah that's great, but if you want to experiment a little and are going on bad and ignorant information, what's the point? Drugs are truly bad for you though. Not to mention the fact that in the US, they are illegal. That's really it. Most people feel that rehab centers have at the very least employed a lot of people, but the help they provide shouldn't have ever had to happen in the first place.

[Reaganista]

Does it matter? The only thing that matters is being happy until the day you die. I believe drugs have done some good things for everyone of us.
damn bourgeois muth****a, you're an accessory to the deaths of thousands and all you can say is 'it makes me happy'?

you disgust me, you have no right whatsoever to enslave and slaughter south americans for your own personal enjoyment

[thunderzstruck]

damn bourgeois muth****a, you're an accessory to the deaths of thousands and all you can say is 'it makes me happy'?

you disgust me, you have no right whatsoever to enslave and slaughter south americans for your own personal enjoyment

you're quite annoying lately

noone really cares

[Reaganista]

shut up eichman

[dustindow]

Well I have had two friends go into dentions/group homes for drug problems. One i saw yesterday for the first time in like 5 months becuase he ran away from group home and in on the run from the police. I've seen my friends fiend for tweak (meth) coke and acid and other ****. Another one of my friends uses pills when she gets depressed, basicly doesnt it for emotional reasons. Drugs can easly f*ck your life up.I've seen it happen too many times. As dboon said, you can experiment but learn to enjoy being sober too. Being sober isn't a bad thing.

I myself haven't done too much. Mostly pot and some shrooms and LSD. Thats basicly it, unless you think xanex is a drug. But thats only twice and never want to again.

But my point is that yes drugs are always bad, but how you approach them seperates you from the addicts.

[Wolf-]

damn bourgeois muth****a, you're an accessory to the deaths of thousands and all you can say is 'it makes me happy'?

you disgust me, you have no right whatsoever to enslave and slaughter south americans for your own personal enjoyment
Just because the majority of coke in the world is fabricated by poor people in South America, doesn't mean SWIM can't do drugs.

Do you buy rice in the supermarket? Well, that rice was harvested from the field by poor chinese people. Your argument is easily countered back.

[Mr. Ron]

Just because the majority of coke in the world is fabricated by poor people in South America, doesn't mean SWIM can't do drugs.

Do you buy rice in the supermarket? Well, that rice was harvested from the field by poor chinese people. Your argument is easily countered back.
Well, the drug business is far more dangerous than gathering rice.

[Wolf-]

Still, it's essentially the same situation: poor people working for a select few rich people

besides I've read some posts by this twa t guy and it seems to me that I'm gonna start to ignore him, all he has to say is some communist bulls hit

[Mr. Ron]

Still, it's essentially the same situation: poor people working for a select few rich people

besides I've read some posts by this twa t guy and it seems to me that I'm gonna start to ignore him, all he has to say is some communist bulls hit
Tway is a good guy. He just jokes a lot.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

I know drug threads aren't aloud, but this one is different, and I'm putting it in here to try and get some serious responses. I was just wondering who on here has had a drug problem, what drug they used, and how they decided to get help. I have a friend who is getting more and more into it, and he really wants to stop, but he can't. If he isn't high on something, he's not happy. What should he do?

Share your experiences.

1. Person I know well, tells me there is a boredom factor, they feel that things are just boring when they aren't high and therefore they are boring. I've even gone to meetings and what not but I really can't remember right now what I learned from it all about the psychology, my mind is probably supressing it.

2. I think that drugs are bad news. A whole lot of people really cannot control themselves. A whole other lot of people think that drugs are not affecting them, but they do not realize that because their perceptions are skewed.

3. On a grander scale: drugs are bad because of the market that sells them is detrimental to those regions and peoples that produce the drugs, and there's essentially no point in drugs but for selfish recreational use in sick developed countries where obesity is the number one epidemic. It really is literally an opiate for the masses, though on a smaller scale the religion, they're just a crap out way of rebelling against anything, this "altering your perception," to me it just seems like you can't deal with life, so get the **** with it and DO something about things you can't deal with, let's not drown it in substance.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Marijuana isn't addictive.


Tell that to my uncle.

Edit: Actually I'll say this, the substance may not be, but feeling is.

[Carrionshine]

I've read somewhere that alchohol and tobacco have a higher addiction rate than all illegal drugs. 22% of people who try tobacco get hooked, 19% for alchohol, and like 17% for heroin.11% for coke, and I think marijuana is somewhere in the 2-3% area.So yeah, as stated already, use and dont abuse.

[Wolf-]

I've read somewhere that alchohol and tobacco have a higher addiction rate than all illegal drugs. 22% of people who try tobacco get hooked, 19% for alchohol, and like 17% for heroin.11% for coke, and I think marijuana is somewhere in the 2-3% area.So yeah, as stated already, use and dont abuse.
Big coincidence of course that those two drugs are taxed drugs.

Doing drugs has nothing to do with not being able to deal with life, but it does have to with boredom, that's true. People are looking for hapiness and think they can find it in the drugs. SWIM has had some great times on drugs, and doesn't regret having done them.

[Reaganista]

Just because the majority of coke in the world is fabricated by poor people in South America, doesn't mean SWIM can't do drugs.

well he can do drugs, but it makes him an accessory to homicides.


Do you buy rice in the supermarket? Well, that rice was harvested from the field by poor chinese people. Your argument is easily countered back.
i buy all my vegan food from a local co-op

[the next big thing]

I've read somewhere that alchohol and tobacco have a higher addiction rate than all illegal drugs. 22% of people who try tobacco get hooked, 19% for alchohol, and like 17% for heroin.11% for coke, and I think marijuana is somewhere in the 2-3% area.So yeah, as stated already, use and dont abuse.

Alchohol and tabbacco are leagal tho and so much easier to get, and there're socially acceptable.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

well he can do drugs, but it makes him an accessory to homicides.




lmfao

[Reaganista]

yeah paying people to slaughter the third world is funny

or not

[KurtCobain2902]

Big coincidence of course that those two drugs are taxed drugs.

Doing drugs has nothing to do with not being able to deal with life, but it does have to with boredom, that's true. People are looking for hapiness and think they can find it in the drugs. SWIM has had some great times on drugs, and doesn't regret having done them.

Do you go to Totse.com?


To whoever said that people who use drugs need to do something about it and move on or whatever, it isn't that easy. If it was, do you think so many people would be addicts? I agree that it's something that they bring themselves into, but it isn't completely their fault. Most of them didn't plan on becoming addicts, they "fell" into it. Addiction happens just like that. Fast.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't drug abuse something you can pick up from your parents? Hereditary(sp)? And if you have a chemical imbalence, I find it alot harder to blame them for their drug use. It's the only way they're happy.

[KurtCobain2902]

yeah paying people to slaughter the third world is funny

or not

You, sir, have opened my mind up to some things I never gave a single thought to, and I appreciate it.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

yeah paying people to slaughter the third world is funny

or not

avatars with guys who murder millions of their own countrymen is funny too

or not

[The Real El Capitano]

avatars with guys who murder millions of their own countrymen is funny too

or not
Owned.Bout time someone put that god damn Commie in his place.and Tway, I liked you better when you had that woman as your avatar, and weren't gay.

[Reaganista]

avatars with guys who murder millions of their own countrymen is funny too

or not
the bourgeois deserve to die

[Wolf-]

Do you go to Totse.com?


To whoever said that people who use drugs need to do something about it and move on or whatever, it isn't that easy. If it was, do you think so many people would be addicts? I agree that it's something that they bring themselves into, but it isn't completely their fault. Most of them didn't plan on becoming addicts, they "fell" into it. Addiction happens just like that. Fast.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't drug abuse something you can pick up from your parents? Hereditary(sp)? And if you have a chemical imbalence, I find it alot harder to blame them for their drug use. It's the only way they're happy.
I go to Totse.com, but only sporadically.

Drug abuse is of course something you can pick up from your parents. If you aren't given the proper education then it's easier to fall off the 'rope'. In families where the parents smoke, the children are more likely to pick up this habit.

In regard to solving your problem, what kind of drug addiction are we talking about? Is he in uppers, downers, hallucinogens (can't imagine anyone is addicted to that) ...? What age range are we talking about?

[A Spoonful Supreme]

the bourgeois deserve to die

I don't think there were millions and millions of bourgeoisie in Russia, otherwise that would have been a hellova country. And nobody deserves to die, up yours commie.

[Reaganista]

if by hellova you mean hellish, then you're right, the USSR was a helling fuedal wasteland.

besides, all those people were tried and convicted of crimes against the state

[A Spoonful Supreme]

if by hellova you mean hellish, then you're right, the USSR was a helling fuedal wasteland.

besides, all those people were tried and convicted of crimes against the state

wdf, bogus crimes. you think there were actually that many criminals in the USSR that got the death penalty???

seriously wdf wdf
wdf wdf

[Reaganista]

it wasn't really all that many

and yes, I think the USSR had a lot of bourgeois and bourgeois need to be exterminated

[A Spoonful Supreme]

You.... are..... crazy

[Iscariot]

Well my uncle used to be a crack/pot addict.

I stopped reading here because there's no such thing as a pot addict. Marijuana has no addictive properties, physical or mental. Any dependency on an herb like Marijuana is purely user enforced.

That being said, I used to have a pill problem. I would take methadones (used to ween abusers off of heroin) several times a day, daily. One night I took seven pills, downed a couple 40's, smoked a few bowls and apparently almost died. I turned white as a ghost, I couldn't talk, I couldn't urinate, I was cold and shaky and could barely keep myself concious. Right when it started getting really bad, I puked all over everything and recovered over night. I haven't taken any pills since.

Anything I do now, I do in moderation and in a safe and responsible environment. I don't play around with drugs anymore unless I know everything I can about them first.

[what]

That' BS, just about anything has addictive properties starting for food ending on drugs.

If something that doesn't make you high and all that like cigarettes is addicitve that things like pot will definentely make you addicted to it if smoked on a regular basis. Not to mention it's bad for your health as are cigarettes.

Seriously all drugs are not good for you and they do not bring anything positive for your health. Anything who disagrees is lying to himself.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

That' BS, just about anything has addictive properties starting for food ending on drugs.

If something that doesn't make you high and all that like cigarettes is addicitve that things like pot will definentely make you addicted to it if smoked on a regular basis. Not to mention it's bad for your health as are cigarettes.

Seriously all drugs are not good for you and they do not bring anything positive for your health. Anything who disagrees is lying to himself.

I think ur definition of addictive is wrong, it's the people's personalities that make things addictive, though some other things like cigarrettes have addictive chemicals, food? Food is just good and you're happy when you eat it, therefore happyness brought on by food is addictive within the person......

[Reaganista]

You.... are..... crazy
kkkapitalist pigdog!

[what]

No, the definition is fine.

It's not what's in the product, it's how the body reacts on it

[A Spoonful Supreme]

kkkapitalist pigdog!
kill a commie for mommy

[KurtCobain2902]

I go to Totse.com, but only sporadically.

Drug abuse is of course something you can pick up from your parents. If you aren't given the proper education then it's easier to fall off the 'rope'. In families where the parents smoke, the children are more likely to pick up this habit.

In regard to solving your problem, what kind of drug addiction are we talking about? Is he in uppers, downers, hallucinogens (can't imagine anyone is addicted to that) ...? What age range are we talking about?

He is a major pothead, but now pot doesn't get him high enough so he started taking pills and drinking alot more. Like every night.

[Reaganista]

kill a commie for mommy
kkkapitalism has turned the family unit from a unit of socialization and production into a unit of consumption. it needs a major overhaul

[Mr. Ron]

Oh Tway, you make me chuckle.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

kkkapitalism has turned the family unit from a unit of socialization and production into a unit of consumption. it needs a major overhaul

kkkommunism turns the family unit into a unit of production for corrupt pseudo monarchs.

[Iscariot]

That' BS, just about anything has addictive properties starting for food ending on drugs.

If something that doesn't make you high and all that like cigarettes is addicitve that things like pot will definentely make you addicted to it if smoked on a regular basis. Not to mention it's bad for your health as are cigarettes.

Seriously all drugs are not good for you and they do not bring anything positive for your health. Anything who disagrees is lying to himself.

No, Marijuana has no scientifically verified addictive properties. Also, recent studies have shown that Marijuana helps prevent various types of cancer rather than cause it.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/040923092627.htm

[what]

Seriously, inhaling any type of smoke can not be good for you.

...and everything is addictive - television, internet, computers, drugs, food, medecine, cigarettes, sex etc.

Inhaling smoke on a constant basis gives you a good chance of lung or lip cancer.

[Iscariot]

Seriously, inhaling any type of smoke can not be good for you.

Actually, smart guy, if you use a bong the smoke is cooled and several carcinogens are removed without removing the active ingredients, thus giving you a harmless high. But I bet you already knew that, right?

...and everything is addictive - television, internet, computers, drugs, food, medecine, cigarettes, sex etc.

How are half of those things even remotely "addictive"? Do you know what an addiction is?

Inhaling smoke on a constant basis gives you a good chance of lung or lip cancer.

No, it doesn't.

Chemicals and carcinogens in the smoke give you a higher chance of cancer, the lip variety being one that you can't develop from smoking, moron.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

Seriously, inhaling any type of smoke can not be good for you.

...and everything is addictive - television, internet, computers, drugs, food, medecine, cigarettes, sex etc.

Inhaling smoke on a constant basis gives you a good chance of lung or lip cancer.

you see ur definition of addicted IS wrong..... its not those things that are addictive it's your addictive personality

[Katana]

Weed is addictive, but only in the same sense as a video game or message board. I smoked multiple times every day for about 3-4 weeks, and when I stopped I didn't notice any impulse to do the drug again.

[Samuel]

Cannabis can be habit forming in some individuals. That's a very different thing from physical dependance. You can't become physically addicted to weed. You may form a habit, just like watching too much TV. But hey, spending too much time on the computer reduces your physical movement rate and that can lead to obesity, which is horrible for you. Computers are good for nothing, and anyone who tells themselves otherwise are lying to themselves.

And on the subject of self medication: Perscribing Benzodiazepines for anxiety and insomnia, or Opioids for pain is totally safer than using cannabis.

[Smokey D]

Opioids

Um.

Opiates are terrible for you, and anyone who self-proscribes them is stupid.

[[UEAK]Clowd]

well he can do drugs, but it makes him an accessory to homicides.


i buy all my vegan food from a local co-op

Oh man, lol, a vegan.

[Matt?]

No, Marijuana has no scientifically verified addictive properties. Also, recent studies have shown that Marijuana helps prevent various types of cancer rather than cause it.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/040923092627.htm

but it's also been proven to have some chemical carcinogens, and thc has also been said to increase the rate of tumor growth.

it's not nearly as bad for you as ciggarettes but saying it isn't detrimental to your health is not completely true

[italic zero]

Clowd']Oh man, lol, a vegan.
only half the time

[EightMilesHigh]

And nobody deserves to die, up yours commie.

Tway makes a joke; more @ 11

[Reaganista]

kkkommunism turns the family unit into a unit of production for corrupt pseudo monarchs.
the family unit was a unit of production for the entire span of human history up until the 19th century. and even then only in western countries.

Opiates are terrible for you
Religion!

especially KKKristianity

[DougJI]

yeah paying people to slaughter the third world is funny

or not


I don't understand why some people enjoy being unhappy. Be happy with your life, not upset that others can't have the same. Life is life, live your own. Suffering is relative. If I lose a loaf of bread, I'm like, crap, I lost a loaf of bread, if a kid of a starving family in Ethiopia or wherever loses a loaf of bread he's as good as dead.

Millions of people are suffering, Millions of people will always be suffering, and nothing you do will ever fix that.

Live life before you died.

[Reaganista]

**** you, you hateful racist cunt

[DougJI]

**** you, you hateful racist cunt
Irony ++

I'm Canadian, how hateful could I be?

Your country is the one killing daily.

[Reaganista]

that's a sweet non sequitor
now let's get back to your hatred of the third world

[DougJI]

that's a sweet non sequitor
now let's get back to your hatred of the third world
So what if I do hate them? Who cares? You? You don't even have a soul.

[Reaganista]

no one has a soul
but that's another great non sequitor
now explain what makes you better than Indonesians

[DougJI]

no one has a soul
but that's another great non sequitor
now explain what makes you better than Indonesians
I'm not poor.

I have the choice of whether or not to feel sorry for them, while they hate me.

And you dont have a face because I ate it.

[Reaganista]

I'm not poor.

that doesn't make you better


I have the choice of whether or not to feel sorry for them, while they hate me.

nothing wrong with hating murderers

[DougJI]

that doesn't make you better


nothing wrong with hating murderers
Ok, I'm better because my country has the potential to blow up the world, and if they say I'm not better I'll blow them up.


I'm worth more as a human being, as I've had more money spent on my by my government/family, and have contributed to the human race, rather then being a detriment by starving to death/being diseased.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Indonesians kill other people, indirectly and directly.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

the family unit was a unit of production for the entire span of human history up until the 19th century. and even then only in western countries.


...... for ...... corrupt pseudo monarchs

[Reaganista]

Ok, I'm better because my country has the potential to blow up the world, and if they say I'm not better I'll blow them up.

that doesn't make you better, that makes you deserving of death.


I'm worth more as a human being, as I've had more money spent on my by my government/family, and have contributed to the human race, rather then being a detriment by starving to death/being diseased.
you're mommy's little consumer. you're a worthless parasite who serves hardly any purpose other than to consume at a pace 10 times that of what any normal person should require so that capital has some place where they can always be sure to sell the fruits of their exploitation.

[Reaganista]

...... for ...... corrupt pseudo monarchs
or egalitarian tribal communities

[Amit]

that doesn't make you better, that makes you deserving of death.


you're mommy's little consumer. you're a worthless parasite who serves hardly any purpose other than to consume at a pace 10 times that of what any normal person should require so that capital has some place where they can always be sure to sell the fruits of their exploitation.

:tithings:

you are going to enjoy columbia university haha

[DougJI]

that doesn't make you better, that makes you deserving of death.


you're mommy's little consumer. you're a worthless parasite who serves hardly any purpose other than to consume at a pace 10 times that of what any normal person should require so that capital has some place where they can always be sure to sell the fruits of their exploitation.
You're on a computer, you're wearing clothing. Hypocrite.

Use of electricity = use of power = pollution = death to everyone on this planet.

Besides, what if I enjoy killing people and being a worthless parasite. I seem happy. Who cares about people that I don't even know and can't talk to.

And what have Indonesians done that's so great anyways.

[Reaganista]

you are going to enjoy columbia university haha
those dickheads didn't accept me

dean's list at drexel every ****in quater wasn't good enough.
I should've taken high school seriously.

You're on a computer, you're wearing clothing. Hypocrite.
I've managed to lower my carbon footprint to a sustainible level since becoming a vegan, communist, sandle-wearing hippy

[Amit]

are you fvcking serious

damn i'm sorry man :-(

[A Spoonful Supreme]

or egalitarian tribal communities

in ur dreams commie

[DougJI]

those dickheads didn't accept me

dean's list at drexel every ****in quater wasn't good enough.
I should've taken high school seriously.


I've managed to lower my carbon footprint to a sustainible level since becoming a vegan, communist, sandle-wearing hippy

Too bad.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor

I'm sponsoring you. For every animal you don't eat, I'm now eating 3.

Also...
http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

[Amit]

Too bad.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor

I'm sponsoring you. For every animal you don't eat, I'm now eating 3.

Also...
http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

haha poor dougji

he has no idea what's going on

[DougJI]

haha poor dougji

he has no idea what's going on
Who told the brown piece of filth he could speak to me? Unworthy garbage.



















Just kidding

[Reaganista]

in ur dreams commie
and in historical fact, too
but me dreaming about history isn't completely unprecedented.

Too bad.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor

I'm sponsoring you. For every animal you don't eat, I'm now eating 3.

well, one of the many ironies of that is I've already sponsored myself.

[DougJI]

and in historical fact, too
but me dreaming about history isn't completely unprecedented.


well, one of the many ironies of that is I've already sponsored myself.
Just for that, I'm eating 9 times the amoutn of animals I regularily eat, as well as consuming as much as possible, and I'm making it my lifetime goal to pollute, kill and ruin the earth as much as possible just to spite you.

[Reaganista]

Just for that, I'm eating 9 times the amoutn of animals I regularily eat, as well as consuming as much as possible, and I'm making it my lifetime goal to pollute, kill and ruin the earth as much as possible just to spite you
I literally lol'd

but you'll probably die relatively young while you're doing all that, so I'll call it even

[Amit]

yeah animal fat is incredibly carcinogenic

not to mention all the kinds of mess your GI, cardiovascular, and immune system will be in

everything really

[DougJI]

I literally lol'd

but you'll probably die relatively young while you're doing all that, so I'll call it even

I'll just excersise 10x as much.

Or I could just kill animals and not eat them. That'll be easier. But oh wait, you already do that with your crops.

The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.

[Amit]

I'll just excersise 10x as much.

Or I could just kill animals and not eat them. That'll be easier. But oh wait, you already do that with your crops.

The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.

exercising 10x as much won't do anything good and will only make things worse

actually my computer uses over 500 watts

i'm just laughing at how badly you're getting trolled right now

[DougJI]

[QUOTE=Atman]exercising 10x as much won't do anything good and will only make things worse

actually my computer uses over 500 watts

i'm just laughing at how badly you're getting trolled right now[/Q
I'm way too lazy to keep talking to Vegetarians at 2am

[Amit]

i am soooooo not a vegetarian haha

[Reaganista]

I'll just excersise 10x as much.
please do that.

unless 10x0=you're a fatass already


Or I could just kill animals and not eat them. That'll be easier. But oh wait, you already do that with your crops.

The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.

the computer is a necessary tool for the carrying out of class warfare

meat is needless murder

[DougJI]

please do that.

unless 10x0=you're a fatass already


the computer is a necessary tool for the carrying out of class warfare

meat is needless murder
No it isn't. You have TV, you have the right to run for public office, and people seemed to carry out class warfare before the internet age.

Anyways, I'm going to continue enjoying life while you continue bitching about everything.

Me happy, you angry/unsatisfied (sp?). I win.

[Amit]

No it isn't. You have TV, you have the right to run for public office, and people seemed to carry out class warfare before the internet age.

Anyways, I'm going to continue enjoying life while you continue bitching about everything.

Me happy, you angry/unsatisfied (sp?). I win.

wait so this guy actually thinks the tway is serious

[Reaganista]

No it isn't. You have TV, you have the right to run for public office, and people seemed to carry out class warfare before the internet age.

not as effectively as they could


Anyways, I'm going to continue enjoying life while you continue bitching about everything.
I guess some people really do find ignorance to be bliss, then.

Me happy, you angry/unsatisfied (sp?). I win.
you a murderer and a loser, me a righteous crusader for social justice and soy milk/meat immitation products is more like it.

[JohnXDoe]

I know drug threads aren't aloud, but this one is different, and I'm putting it in here to try and get some serious responses. I was just wondering who on here has had a drug problem, what drug they used, and how they decided to get help. I have a friend who is getting more and more into it, and he really wants to stop, but he can't. If he isn't high on something, he's not happy. What should he do? Share your experiences.
I'm a former addict. Once an addict, always an addict. Lest you forget and slip. It's not a pretty story, and I've told it several times before on MX. Don't feel like telling it again. I'm not going to say don't do drugs. Just don't do certain drugs. It's stupid, not fun, and can ruin your life or kill you. Those are really your only two choices. Not very good odds for anything better.

Your friend needs help and a different way of living. Depending on what he is using this can be difficult. Professional treatment is preferable to get started. If he doesn't have access to that then Narcotics Anonymous meetings and a support group of new clean friends would be a good start. If his addiction is immensely physical medical supervision for withdrawl is highly recommended, but not necessarily essential. But some program of getting clean and staying clean and a method to do so for life is desirable.

If this has been metioned already, sorry. But I did not read the thread. Just my two cents....I wish your friend luck.

["Freshly Baked"]

Weed is no biggie. Many people do it.

Speed and Heroin are the worst IMO, becuase Speed and heroin have different highs, the first high is so good that you do it all of the time to reach that first time, and it's never that good again.

Halls. Are iffy, it just depends, if it's one time here and there throughout life, it's ok (If you are prepared) but if you do it frequently it totally turns you into a retard, andyou become a shell of yourself.

Alcohol is very scary, because its just so easy to get, im 16 and I can get it whenever. IT's just so widely accepted that you dont even realize every bottle you down, it's that much worse your liver is. I used to down a bottle of Whino vodka every friday night. But it just stpped being fun, And i space myself out, like once every month, and usually on of the months I only drink a little.

Drugs are bad, but I think people should try some, because it really changs your look on life, after one is over drugs, they start to remember the simple things in life, and how they never really needed drugs in the first place, that you only try drugs because you take life for granted and consider it boring and in need of something.



..... Nowadays, I'm only addicted to one thing............

..... THE SAX!!!!

(Wails On Sax)

[A Spoonful Supreme]

"A lot of good has come from drugs. I think 'Penny Lane' is worth 10 dead kids. Dark Side of the Moon is worth 100 dead kids. Because a lot of kids wouldn't even be born if it weren't for that album, so it evens out."

Interesting

[what]

if they wouldnt have been born they wouldnt be dead

im sure a 100000 of other kids would be born without that album

thats a really dumb quote

[Samuel]

Um.

Opiates are terrible for you, and anyone who self-proscribes them is stupid.
It was sarcasm. Meant to draw attention to the fact that you can use the processed equivalent of heroin with a perscription, but the federal government is still restricting cannabis use. I should have put a smiley or something. . .

[Reaganista]

I think 'Penny Lane' is worth 10 dead kids. Dark Side of the Moon is worth 100 dead kids. Because a lot of kids wouldn't even be born if it weren't for that album, so it evens out
pink floyd ****ing sucks

[guitrguy]

pink floyd ****ing sucks
That's something a commie would say.

[Reaganista]

that's something anyone would say

[guitrguy]

that's something anyone with mental retardation would say
fix'd

[A Spoonful Supreme]

that quote was a joke..... by a comedian

[Wolf-]

"I believe drugs have done some good things for us,
I really do, and if you don't believe me, go home, take
all your albums, records, cds and burn them,
because you know what?
The musicians who did all that great music that has
enhanced your life throughout the years...

rrrrrrreal ****ing high.
I mean, come on, The Beatles, 'we all live in a yellow
submarine'...? do you know how ****ing high these
guys were?

'John, get Ringo, he's up in the ceiling... pull him down,
he has a tune he wants to sing us!... something about
a yellow tambourine, eh?'
'wait, wait! shouldn't it be... submarine?'
'don't bother to come down, Ringo, we can put the
mikes up there and sing with him!'...

the beatles were high, they did great music, drugs
have positive effects.'

[Reaganista]

the beatles ****ing suck

Minor threat rocks

[Wolf-]

the beatles ****ing suck

Minor threat rocks
So we got a little straight edge commie here? Viva la revolucion goddamit

[PerpetualBurn]

the beatles ****ing suck

Minor threat rocks

First statement false.
Second statement true.

[Letto]

This started out as a good thread, then it turned to sh.it. Before I invest any more time in this forum, can someone please tell me if this is what happens all the time here?

[Smokey D]

It's proportional to the length of the thread and the quality of the general argument. But most threads generally provide enough entertainment to last for a while, and if you think they get boring or helplessly ****, just swap to a new one.

[Wolf-]

Blame Tway

[DBoons Ghost]

Tway is becoming quite the trolll!

Good for him I say.

[Loser]

I hate to stray further off topic - but if communism is so great, why does it fail every chance it gets?

[pppoe]

I used to like Minor Threat, but then I grew up.

[Mr. Ron]

I used to like Minor Threat, but then I grew up.
Hello Mary, do you like god?

[pppoe]

We had a child together.

[holy_roller99]

I hate to stray further off topic - but if communism is so great, why does it fail every chance it gets?

because it runs on the notion that all humans are good and pure and equal and human nature basically needs to have competition plus for some reason it sometimes has the tendancy to become a dictatorship.

[Reaganista]

it isn't even the type of thing that's attempted

[MegaPhony]

it isn't even the type of thing that's attempted

what is attempted then
and what is true communism
in all seriousness.

[Reaganista]

lots of things are attempted
true communism is the workers paradise that comes out of the ruling class eventually destroying all of the institutions, like racism, sexism, nationalism, specism, meat eating, MTV, etc. that they use to keep the working class in thrall

[Iscariot]

I hate to stray further off topic - but if communism is so great, why does it fail every chance it gets?

That's an ignorant thing to say. There has never been a communistic state to date. There have only been socialist states, which repeatedly fail due to the outside influence of other nations meddling in the state's affairs.

Socialism is the period of social reconstruction between capitalism and communism in which the the proletariat play an exhausting, but necessary reverse role and establish a dictatorship over the bourgeoise in order to teach the standards and method of equality on absolutely all levels.

Once the people learn to live in harmony and no longer require the dictatorship, you have communism.

[Ghostfire3]

lots of things are attempted
true communism is the workers paradise that comes out of the ruling class eventually destroying all of the institutions, like racism, sexism, nationalism, specism, meat eating, MTV, etc. that they use to keep the working class in thrall

And wouldn't that be great? Besides the destroying of meat eating, because I'm pretty sure communists can eat meat.... I'm not sure where you got that from.

[Iscariot]

And wouldn't that be great? Besides the destroying of meat eating, because I'm pretty sure communists can eat meat.... I'm not sure where you got that from.

He's just gimmicking. :-\

[Ghostfire3]

He's just gimmicking. :-\

Yeah, I figured. :rolleyes:

[Iscariot]

Ok then.

[MegaPhony]

So in reality, due to human nature, true communism can never exist.
Especially taking into account the path that modern society is headed.

[Ghoul Hunter]

tbh I used to drink too much and smoke and abuse sleeping pills. After finding my spiritual way, I don't even want to do anything like that.

[Loser]

[1] There has never been a communistic state to date.

[2] Once the people learn to live in harmony and no longer require the dictatorship, you have communism.


1. Yeah, because it failed.
2. Yeah, and dictators these days don't give up their power, which leads to the failure of each attempt of Communism.

[Letto]

Why don't you guys start a Communism thread instead of derailing this? Or just ignore his goddamn trolling.

Back to topic:
I have known a few people with addictions. I think I'll always be in recovery just because the temptation is always there and it's so easy to slip. (Slipped too many times.) I think that our society must first encourage educating people about their family history of drug abuse/mental disorders, then informing them about the risks and possible rewards of various chemicals. There is a definite path for addiction (although it may not be applicable to substances that quickly cause physical addiction), but I don't know if it's been given definite levels or a name. I think it goes something like:

1. Curiosity/Experimentation
2. Habitual Use
3. Using for escapism
4. Addiction
5. Depression

Unfortunately most people realize it when depression sets in, and that makes it harder to come out and ask for help.

If our society was more open about such matters, and didn't spout propaganda to drive the curious away by fear, then I think there would be a smaller addiction rate. It is a serious mental health problem that needs more research and recognition. I know that blaming it on heredity feels like a copout, but I believe it has a great deal to do with who will be more prone to drug abuse and subsequent addiction.

But also realize that there are socially acceptable addictions such as watching TV, surfing the internet, eating, etc. While they may not be physically harmful or addicting, they are psychologically addicting and waste as much of a persons life as constantly being intoxicated.

[Reaganista]

Especially taking into account the path that modern society is headed.
modern society is heading towards communism

[pppoe]

God, I hope so.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

There have only been socialist states, which repeatedly fail due to the outside influence of other nations meddling in the state's affairs.lol wtf

Socialism is the period of social reconstruction between capitalism and communism in which the the proletariat play an exhausting, but necessary reverse role and establish a dictatorship over the bourgeoise in order to teach the standards and method of equality on absolutely all levels.

Once the people learn to live in harmony and no longer require the dictatorship, you have communism.
yes, let us re-educate the bourgeois, so that we can live in harmony! Thus begins our Cultural Revolution!

[Reaganista]

the proletarian isn't even concious yet, they're in no condition to reeducate anybody.

give it a decade or two

[Ghostfire3]

modern society is heading towards communism

Eh, I don't know about that. How so? America will never become communist nor socialist. America just loooooves its oppressing and corrupt capitalism too much.

[Reaganista]

racism, nationalism, sexism and specism are being broken down everywhere

those are the most important tools the bourgeois use to stay in power and without them the proletarian will be able to unite

[holy_roller99]

ok i think that a new thread is in order instead of spamming the crap out of this thread.

[Ghostfire3]

Yeah, let's bring all the communism talk to the Socialism and Communism thread.

[superpeer]

That's an ignorant thing to say. There has never been a communistic state to date. There have only been socialist states, which repeatedly fail due to the outside influence of other nations meddling in the state's affairs.

Socialism is the period of social reconstruction between capitalism and communism in which the the proletariat play an exhausting, but necessary reverse role and establish a dictatorship over the bourgeoise in order to teach the standards and method of equality on absolutely all levels.

Once the people learn to live in harmony and no longer require the dictatorship, you have communism.

Democratic socialism works perfectly well.

EDIT: Sorry =)

[Smokey D]

Social democracy > democratic socialism.