Zarqawi Dead

[davser]

Terrorist Zarqawi killed in air raid nr Baghdad.

[guitrguy]

Edit: I geuss I'll post the article.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/
How do you guys think this will affect the future of Iraq?

[Roy.]

i hope it does good things for iraq. maybe zarqawis death will teach a lesson. **** with us and we will eventually pwn you.

i'm afriad though that someone is just going to pick up where he left off.

it really sucks they killed him...i would have like to have seen him have to go through a trial and seen justice for all the innocent people he helped kill. it sucks the families wont get that closure.

[Amit]

yB[o]y']i'm afriad though that someone is just going to pick up where he left off.

That's exactly what will happen.

[Rounder]

My money says IED's, and executions continue or even get ramped up.

[Britney Diva]

It's an important psychological victory, but that can so easily be turned around.

[Smokey D]

Hasn't Zarqawi recently taken a back seat in Iraqi terrorism? Foreign jihadis are playing a smaller and smaller role as the conflict becomes more nationalised -- this may not have a significant effect at all.

I hope it does though.

[ringworm]

I cant see what impact it has at all.
Like one man down would cripple an entire organization?
I wish it would.

It's great we got him, but it could infuriate those crazy bastards even more.

[PepsiMetal]

He was probably dead before this announcement. Jerusalem, and Pakistani news reports have been saying he was dead for a long time now.

But regardless of when it happened, it most likely will not effect anything.

[mx]

It's exciting, he was flaunting the fact that we couldn't get him, that he was immune, and that he was victorious. This changes the effect of all of those statements.

[The End]

Bush said. "Zarqawi's death is a severe blow to al Qaeda.


No it isn't.

[mx]

Let's not minimize this just because you don't like the US. It's a victory, plain and simple. Will it stop the insurgency? No. But is it justice? Yes. This man personally beheaded people

[Reaganista]

sweet

[Danish]

I think this is good. From what I understand, the insurgency led by Zarqawi were primarily concerned with bombing civilian targets in an effort to stir up religious conflict and, as they hoped, start a civil war. I'd much rather see an insurgency that is somewhat nationalist and targets American and other foreign occupiers...

[mx]

I'd rather not see anybody be killed at all. No insurgency at this point is good thing, the region is troubled.

[Defender0FmetaL]

revenge for Zarqawi dead is soon and more Zarqawi will born

[Reaganista]

I think this is good. From what I understand, the insurgency led by Zarqawi were primarily concerned with bombing civilian targets in an effort to stir up religious conflict and, as they hoped, start a civil war. I'd much rather see an insurgency that is somewhat nationalist and targets American and other foreign occupiers...
I'd much rather see you get the commie beaten out of you singapore-style

[guitrguy]

revenge for Zarqawi dead is soon and more Zarqawi will born
There is no garuantee that whoever will take over will run the insrugency well. The whole time they spend trying to find a new leader will be great for the US to start cleaning up the unsecured towns.

[Ugoff]

I'm glad that bastard is dead but the thing is that somebody will take his place and he'll just be a martyr now. Hopefully this will break the moral of the insurgants but I doubt it.

[Reaganista]

I think the moral of the insurgents is 'don't blow up your own people or they may do things like turn you over to the US'

[AlmightyPancake]

My money says IED's, and executions continue or even get ramped up.
Improvisational explosive devices will continue?


Continue to be made and used?



Uh.



Yeah?




The death of Zarqawi is certainly a step in the right direction. If you take a look at some of the more recent military reports, there are several different groups who were operating under the Al-qaeda insurgency. The death of a leader means a bit more chaos in the ranks. Replacing him won't be tomorrow's news.

As for martyrdom, he was killed while hiding in a house away from any sort of violence. Not much of a martyr.

[Hababi]

I hope he likes burning coals...

It's great news, and it's good that we finally brought to justice perhaps the most brutal of all the radical Islamic thugs. Hopefully it'll be detrimental to the insurgency, but realistically, I think the impact will be minimal.

[PepsiMetal]

But is it justice? Yes. This man personally beheaded people

What? He beheaded people, and you think a bomb killing him in a millisecond is justice?

What would have been justice is to jail his *** for life.

On a positive note, I think Al-Zawahiri was also killed a while ago, so his death announcement will probably be announced soon as well.

[guitrguy]

What? He beheaded people, and you think a bomb killing him in a millisecond is justice?

What would have been justice is to jail his *** for life.

On a positive note, I think Al-Zawahiri was also killed a while ago, so his death announcement will probably be announced soon as well.
Its alot easier to bomb his stronghold then wasting time trying to catch him and have constantly escape us.

There are already pic up of him.

[PepsiMetal]

That is completely irrelevant.

He died a quick painless death. No justice to Nick Berg's father or of any other parents that he was involved in the beheading of.

[guitrguy]

That is completely irrelevant.

He died a quick painless death. No justice to Nick Berg's father or of any other parents that he was involved in the beheading of.
The bottom line was he needed to be removed from command. The longer he was left out the more damage he was doing Iraq. The US reached the point that they cut their losses, and directly dropped a bomb rather then going on a wild goose chase.

[PepsiMetal]

I said it wasn't justice, that's the truth, there's no need to complain about how he should have been caught as nobody even mentioned that. He died by a bomb, mx mentioned that was justice, I said it wasn't, and that's it. Nobody even implied US should have chased him longer or try to jail him. Even though that would have been justice.

[Reaganista]

a terrorist apologist thinks it unjust to kill terrorists?

shocking

[PepsiMetal]

a terrorist apologist thinks it unjust to kill terrorists?

shocking

Are you seriously that ****ing dense? You obviously don't know how to read.

[Reaganista]

life in prison!
don't kill the poor baby terrorists

[PepsiMetal]

So you think a one millisecond death is more painful than living a whole life without freedom? Stop posting now.

[BassRevelation1029]

The death of Zarqawi is certainly a step in the right direction. If you take a look at some of the more recent military reports, there are several different groups who were operating under the Al-qaeda insurgency. The death of a leader means a bit more chaos in the ranks. Replacing him won't be tomorrow's news.

as if it was a real organized leadership. If you look at al-qaeda, you'll see they have some 30 people directly under osama, and any one of them could replace him. This is not the fall of al-qaeda. Even more shocking: violence wont end in iraq. I mean, lets be real: there have been far more casualties from IED's than beheadings (at least known).

[Reaganista]

So you think a one millisecond death is more painful than living a whole life without freedom? Stop posting now.
of course I think death is worse than life
what kind of stupid question is that

[Damrod]

The violence will not end as probably not all that's going down in Iraq is coming from Al Quaeda. Like mx stated though, it's kind of a psychological victory, as he stated somewhat like "You never get me" and now he is busted. I hope that this will not cause massive "revenge" acts now though.

This does not mean defeat for Al Quaeda, but it sure is something they have to cope with

[AlmightyPancake]

@ bass revelation

That's my point. There are now several groups trying to fill the gap he left.


Of course I don't think violence will end in Iraq. I think you'd have to be a cretin to think it would, and only slightly above that to feel the need to point it out as though you're delivering fresh ideas into the minds of philistines.

[ringworm]

So you think a one millisecond death is more painful than living a whole life without freedom? Stop posting now.
I dont mean this in a attacking way but are you always negative?

It doesnt matter what topic or thread, there you are whining & scratching & complaining, even when there is nothing to bitch about, you search for an angle that you can attack something or someone, every single time…

jeesh, calm down, you're gonna have a heart attack

[Reaganista]

it won't cause revenge, it'll cause attacks that were already planned to be called revenge

[BassRevelation1029]

That's my point. There are now several groups trying to fill the gap he left.
I just think the U.S is really over exaggerating the effect al-qaeda really has on this war. The biggest concern for the troops are the iraqi citizens who want them out, however we're being led to believe that we're fighting terrorism.

[PepsiMetal]

of course I think death is worse than life
what kind of stupid question is that

A quick death isn't worse than a life without freedom.

I dont mean this in a attacking way but are you always negative?

It doesnt matter what topic or thread, there you are whining & scratching & complaining, even when there is nothing to bitch about, you search for an angle that you can attack something or someone, every single time…

jeesh, calm down, you're gonna have a heart attack

Nope, I just point out the truth, then idiots like Tway come in and challange it even though he knows he's wrong 99% of the time anyways.

[Hababi]

He died a quick painless death


Hell will be much worse for him.

[PepsiMetal]

There is no hell. He'll be eaten by maggots and worms, yes, but he isn't alive, so it's not like he'll feel any pain.

[Britney Diva]

Since when is justice measured by the amount of pain inflicted? He was a murderer, now he's not a murderer. Good times, justice, goodnight.

[Reaganista]

A quick death isn't worse than a life without freedom.

every single inmate serving life in prison who has not tried to kill themselves disagrees with you

[ringworm]

He's dead, that's all that matters…

[Hababi]

now he's not a murderer.


Now he's a dead murderer ftw


There is no hell.


If you're right, then he is nothing now. If I'm right, then he's getting raped by Satan now. Either way, he loses.

[PepsiMetal]

No I mean Nick Berg's father didn't get justice for his son's death. His son was beheaded slowly. That pain is in no way comparable with a quick death which Zarqawi probably didn't even feel.

About him being murderer, well that's true, but someone else will just step up and take his place and there'll be a new murderer. And yes, it's better that he's dead than alive running around free, but that doesn't mean death was the best way for him to die. I think slow freedomless life would be much much worse.

every single inmate serving life in prison who has not tried to kill themselves disagrees with you

No.

If you're right, then he is nothing now. If I'm right, then he's getting raped by Satan now. Either way, he loses.

That's correct, he is nothing but a connected pile of bones and flesh.

[BassRevelation1029]

No I mean Nick Berg's father didn't get justice for his son's death. His son was beheaded slowly. That pain is in no way comparable with a quick death which Zarqawi probably didn't even feel.

anyone else see Berg's statements on this? I found it interesting.

[Reaganista]

nope sorry, dying in hiding away from combat is the best way for him to go

him spending decades in jail as a 'political prisoner' would've been great for him and his cause and really bad for the US.

[ringworm]

Stop with the Nick Berg angle, that kid may have wanted to be beheaded from what I remember
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

[PepsiMetal]

anyone else see Berg's statements on this? I found it interesting.

Yea, he is kinda right. All of the iraqi deaths are at the end Bush's fault as his invasion of iraq is what caused it. But then again, his father is probably crazy by now and I would be too if I saw some masked arabs ripping my son's head off.

Stop with the Nick Berg angle, that kid may have wanted to be beheaded from what I remember
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

Might have? Or not. It doesn't matter, he felt pain of being beheaded alive, whether he wanted it or not.

[Hababi]

That's correct, he is nothing but a connected pile of bones and flesh.


How do you know?

[PepsiMetal]

How do you know?

Cause religions haven't been proven true, and there's no way to prove it true so therefore Hell, Heaven, Satan, 72 virgins (lol?), etc... are all things made up by men.

[ringworm]

Might have? Or not. It doesn't matter, he felt pain of being beheaded alive, whether he wanted it or not.
No, they are pretty sure he was so drugged up he never felt it & if you volonteer to be killed, its kinda hard to ask for vengence for your death.

[PepsiMetal]

Yes, but people are assuming he wanted to be killed. It's just like how we assume 9/11 was a big conspiracy. It doesn't mean it's true. Plus Nick Berg is dead now, there is basically no way to prove those statements.

[spitfirejunky]

It's exciting, he was flaunting the fact that we couldn't get him, that he was immune, and that he was victorious. This changes the effect of all of those statements.

Yeah, he got shut down well.

Since when is justice measured by the amount of pain inflicted? He was a murderer, now he's not a murderer. Good times, justice, goodnight.

Thank you.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Cause religions haven't been proven true, and there's no way to prove it true so therefore Hell, Heaven, Satan, 72 virgins (lol?), etc... are all things made up by men.


They can't be proven wrong either. I think if your taking a scientific look at it, it's science's job to prove it's wrong not right.

And something of this magnitude will never be known, since once it's figured out....I guess as the saying goes "dead men tell no tales".

[Hababi]

Cause religions haven't been proven true


So? You believe lots of things that have never been proven to you, and if you think that everything that exists is provable, then you claim to know everything.

[PepsiMetal]

They can't be proven wrong either. I think if your taking a scientific look at it, it's science's job to prove it's wrong not right.

And something of this magnitude will never be known, since once it's figured out....I guess as the saying goes "dead men tell no tales".

Yea, but if there isn't decent proof that religions exist, (aside from couple of books written by couple of guys and few other minor things), then there's no reason to prove it wrong. It's implied if there isn't proof of it's truth, then it isn't true.

So? You believe lots of things that have never been proven to you, and if you think that everything that exists is provable, then you claim to know everything.

I usually do not believe in things that aren't provable. And some things, I just don't have to believe or disbelieve. Gods are just something people needed to help answer their questions long time ago. Greeks had bunch of Gods too, and they thought Sun, Moon, Earth, etc... were all Gods. Science has since proven them wrong.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Yea, but if there isn't decent proof that religions exist, (aside from couple of books written by couple of guys and few other minor things), then there's no reason to prove it wrong. It's implied if there isn't proof of it's truth, then it isn't true.


Completely disreguarding peoples testimony? Isn't that a bit ignorant?

And religion exists. Your doubt is wether their faith exists.

[Britney Diva]

Gods are just something people needed to help answer their questions long time ago.
Prove it.

[spitfirejunky]

Completely disreguarding peoples testimony? Isn't that a bit ignorant?

And religion exists. Your doubt is wether their faith exists.

Well their faith exists too, our doubt is whether it's well-placed.

Christianity itself will lose a lot of credibility if certain elements of it are proven to be false. Liken it to the fact that if we prove that someone made up unicorns, then we can assume that unicorns don't exist, since someone made them up. However, like any such conclusion, it's limited to the person who made it up. There's still no way to directly prove the unicorn's existence.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Well their faith exists too, our doubt is whether it's well-placed.

Yeah that's what I ment. In the sence that they have faith, but what they have faith in, is real or not.

[Hababi]

It would've been more like Moussari(sic)'s trial--he'd just have made a fool of himself. Zarqari was just a street thug turned prison convert radical. In fact, it's very different from guys like Zarhari and Bin Ladin, who are very well educated. Put Zarhari on trial and he'll at least make a show of it, with some well spun (though obviously still hideous) speeches. Zarqari would be the moron shouting, "I am Al Quada!" and spitting water in his defense attorney's faces.

[guitrguy]

The violence will not end as probably not all that's going down in Iraq is coming from Al Quaeda. Like mx stated though, it's kind of a psychological victory, as he stated somewhat like "You never get me" and now he is busted. I hope that this will not cause massive "revenge" acts now though.

This does not mean defeat for Al Quaeda, but it sure is something they have to cope with
I see it more them getting caught with there pants down type of a thing. I personally think this is a great time for the military to attempt to mop up the other insurgents.

[dislocated214]

Soon after Zarqawi died, there was a (car, I think) bomb that killed 30 Iraqi civilians.

The death of Zarqawi doesn't really mean much, someone is bound to take its place. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but whenever Bush's approval rating is low something weird happens. ( like Saddam's capture, Haditha-esques etc)

[Reaganista]

It's a shame that Zarqawi fell into the trap of religion, but he's still a hero to the class struggle.

let us mourn him by reading a passage of chomsky

http://www.alternet.org/story/30487/

[dislocated214]

funny guy with funny jokes

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

lulz

[SubtleDagger]

It would've been more like Moussari(sic)'s trial--he'd just have made a fool of himself. Zarqari was just a street thug turned prison convert radical. In fact, it's very different from guys like Zarhari and Bin Ladin, who are very well educated. Put Zarhari on trial and he'll at least make a show of it, with some well spun (though obviously still hideous) speeches. Zarqari would be the moron shouting, "I am Al Quada!" and spitting water in his defense attorney's faces.
Z-a-r-q-a-w-i

It's in the title ffs

[Hababi]

Z-a-r-q-a-w-i

It's in the title ffs


Ok Bert :evil:

I'll mock him in his death by misspelling his name...intentionally, now! :D

[SubtleDagger]

I see it's like Pokeman

Okay that works

[mx]

So you think a one millisecond death is more painful than living a whole life without freedom? Stop posting now.

As if we can always catch them alive? It was a strategic necessity, it wasn't the US weighing out what punishment was best.

[Mr. Ron]

Finally.

[guitrguy]

Soon after Zarqawi died, there was a (car, I think) bomb that killed 30 Iraqi civilians.

The death of Zarqawi doesn't really mean much, someone is bound to take its place. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but whenever Bush's approval rating is low something weird happens. ( like Saddam's capture, Haditha-esques etc)
Bushes ratings have been low for quite a while.

[Reaganista]

yeah, little trees are replacing bushes everywhere I look these days.

I think it's for the best, bushes are reactionary.

[BLACKLABEL]

What? He beheaded people, and you think a bomb killing him in a millisecond is justice?

What would have been justice is to jail his *** for life.

On a positive note, I think Al-Zawahiri was also killed a while ago, so his death announcement will probably be announced soon as well.


I heard he knew who killed him, they carried him on a strecher (sp) and he later died of of his wounds. Even if thats not true im glad we at least turned him into a lifeless cadaver, if u saw the tape of him be-heading Nick Berg you might understand. But i do agree that the impact will be minamal.

[dislocated214]

Yeah let's turn him into a martyr guys!

[Hababi]

Yeah let's turn him into a martyr guys!


Let's turn all the insurgents into martyrs.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah let's turn him into a martyr guys!
Wtf do you want us to do? Better dead than alive.

[ChickenStu]

Yeah let's turn him into a martyr guys!

There is a point where deaths stop turning into martyrs.

Like when your own assistants turn you in.

Or when you are wanted for killing a bunch of innocent people.

Or when there is a bounty on your head.

At that point...it is justice.

And to comment on the thought that someone is just going to jump into his place, contemplate this:

He has had 20+ years of experience.

He was insane, which few will be able to match.

He had developed enough charisma to control his followers.

He had contacts, know-how, and strategic command of the insurgents, which very few replacements will have.

Anyone that steps up into his place knows what happened to him, as well as numerous others in the area. This may not deter everyone, but it may very well keep the smarter thinkers from doing it.

[Reaganista]

he was less insane than the typical religionist, who isn't even aware of the class war being waged against them

[ChickenStu]

Well by insane I was referring to his beliefs and how he fed them by killing others.

[Reaganista]

that's not really what insane means

[Give me Beer]

Hmm, Al-Zarqawi's neighbour is claiming that the US troops beat the wounded Zarqawi to death. I don't think I feel sorry for the SOB but, woha, wrong PR move guys.

[ChickenStu]

Hmm, Al-Zarqawi's neighbour is claiming that the US troops beat the wounded Zarqawi to death. I don't think I feel sorry for the SOB but, woha, wrong PR move guys.

He died of cuncussion trauma from 2 500lb bombs exploding in his house.

[Give me Beer]

That's not what his neighbours are claiming. They claim the US troops dragged him out of the ambulance and started kicking him. They might be lying, but people want to believe the worst, and you know it.

[WhoDidTheElf]

That's not what his neighbours are claiming. They claim the US troops dragged him out of the ambulance and started kicking him. They might be lying, but people want to believe the worst, and you know it.


According to the autopsy there were no signs of him being beaten or shot.

And to add to that, the house was secluded from view from the, road and other houses around. The Iraqi civilian claimed to have seen it from his house. I think that's a little hard considering you can't see Zarqaqi's house from his.

[Hababi]

According to the autopsy there were no signs of him being beaten or shot.

And to add to that, the house was secluded from view from the, road and other houses around. The Iraqi civilian claimed to have seen it from his house. I think that's a little hard considering you can't see Zarqaqi's house from his.

Yeah, what you have is insurgent sympathizers who are lying to try to smear the US. As the autopsy confirms.

PS :thumb: for Zaqawi suffering for an hour before he died. A little bit of justice.

[davser]

It seems it was the SAS that did the targetting for the planes so some congrats to the Brits for taking him out.