An Inconvenient Truth

[Hababi]

Anyone see the documentary yet? What do you think will be done about global warming? Will we finally do what's necessary, or will we go down a path that will entail significant repurcussions?

[Jharaski]

Since global warming won't severly affect anyone over 40, I doubt that anyone who really matters and has influence over these things will really care.

[spitfirejunky]

Humans have a knack for doing nothing only until they begin suffering the repercussions.

Is the documentary available online?

[A Spoonful Supreme]

concidering what i know about dissipation of guilt, groupthink, etc. People wont do anything until either

A. Guilt rests soley on them

B. they feel repurcussions

[Cain]

We're seeing plenty of repercussions already thanks.

Won't it be so funny if "The Day After Tommorrow" turns out to be one of the most prophetic and timely movies in history?

[A Spoonful Supreme]

only funny if things went all mad max and we formed tribes

[coheneran]

Since global warming won't severly affect anyone over 40, I doubt that anyone who really matters and has influence over these things will really care.

/Sarcastic German accent:

Yah, because every politician is aged 39 or under.

But seriously, people need to stop fooling themselves. The planet has long passed the stage where we can do something to stop the climate changing drastically. It's simply too late. Animal life will adapt as it always does and hopefully not too many species will get wiped out, but humanity has been stupid and will pay the price. Let no one say we didn't deserve it.

[StreetlightRock]

*Shrug*, short of getting half the world to jump at the same time and move the worlds orbit a little to the right (or left), the planet is gonna get very cold or very hot anyway.

[coheneran]

*Shrug*, short of getting half the world to jump at the same time and move the worlds orbit a little to the right (or left), the planet is gonna get very cold or very hot anyway.

It wouldn't have happened so quickly (a matter of a century) if we hadn't let it happen.

[Reaganista]

of course we'll do something about it

[coheneran]

Yeah, build boats.

Actually, Water World was pretty cool.

[Imagination]

ya apocolypse disney style does some interesting

[Hababi]

We're seeing plenty of repercussions already thanks.


Yeah but not the severe ones that will happen if we continue in our current path.


Won't it be so funny if "The Day After Tommorrow" turns out to be one of the most prophetic and timely movies in history?

You mean I can hide out in a public library and Dennis Quaid will come rescue me when everything happens all at once? And I'll be trapped in that library with Emma Rossum?

...Hey, maybe we ought to wait on this global warming thing after all..

[Hutch306]

You mean I can hide out in a public library and Dennis Quaid will come rescue me when everything happens all at once? And I'll be trapped in that library with Emma Rossum?

...Hey, maybe we ought to wait on this global warming thing after all..

Riiightt...

Anywho, if you look at the bigger picture, there's not much we could have done. If it isn't done to us, it will be to our kids. I mean, pick your poison here. If we were able to delay the effects for a century, our kids are still feeling it, and our grandkids are feeling it. The trick is to delay it for about 150 years, so that way our immediate relatives are gone and everybody else can die. It's easy.

[Against Miik!]

It's not playing where I live, yet at least. I might find it online, or if anyone can point me in the right direction to finding it.

Excelsior!!

[Loser]

I plan on building an elaborate underground city with many many many years worth of space-food and purified water to combat global warming.

[Already_Taken]

*Shrug*, short of getting half the world to jump at the same time and move the worlds orbit a little to the right (or left), the planet is gonna get very cold or very hot anyway.
um I don't know if you are serious but all those people jumping at the same time won't move the planet.

Only an outside force could move the planet. I won't go in to it deeper unless you really believe this.

[Reaganista]

um I don't know if you are serious but all those people jumping at the same time won't move the planet
but i thought
THE PEOPLE UNITED CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED

[WhoDidTheElf]

The earth will cool down, it just has cycles. What humans do to this planet is nothing compared to what nature can do it self.

[Reaganista]

What humans do to this planet is nothing compared to what nature can do it self
see my earlier post

[Cain]

In the end the only thing we need to worry about with global warming is the possibility that mankind will not be able to maintain its highly manipulative and artificial existance in the wake of natural repercussions of the phenomenon. I don't think life or nature as a whole is in any danger whatsoever. I do think houses and Caucasians' light skin tones are headed for some additional damage however.

[WhoDidTheElf]

see my earlier post


/didn't read past much of the first post :/

[Hababi]

I do think houses and Caucasians' light skin tones are headed for some additional damage however.


:(

*is as white as printing paper*

[WhoDidTheElf]

:(

*is as white as printing paper*


You'll get that sexy tan even faster now though.

++ of global warming

[Reaganista]

dude we invented sunblock for a reason
but i don't burn that easy anyway.

/didn't read past much of the first post :/
THE PEOPLE UNITED CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED

[WhoDidTheElf]

THE PEOPLE UNITED CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED


So if we all hold hands and sing songs this will all go away?

[Cain]

THE PEOPLE UNITED CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED

Good practice for the NKVD firing squad, Tway.

[Reaganista]

why would I be in the soviet union?

and where'd I get that time machine

[spitfirejunky]

but i thought
THE PEOPLE UNITED CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[StreetlightRock]

um I don't know if you are serious but all those people jumping at the same time won't move the planet

Dude, liek, combined, its liek, what... miliion tonns? Totalty, like, if half teh world jmps, were totly gonna move it. I mean... I dont c whats not 2 beleive. The Tway totally got it right man.

[ChickenStu]

The Earth is just in a natural cycle. Dont worry about it guys.

We did nothing to start it, and we couldnt possibly stop it. The majority of scientists agree with me on this, so don't try to argue it because Al Gore invented the internet and is now alerting us all, via private jet-setting around the world, about global warming.

http://streams.cei.org/

Check out the Gore vid...

[Reaganista]

six years ago called, it wants its bull**** back

[ChickenStu]

We have more data now showing that global warming isn't what it is being made out to be than six years ago. I would expect you to be more informed, tway.

[Hababi]

We have more data now showing that global warming isn't what it is being made out to be than six years ago. I would expect you to be more informed, tway.


Ok, let's run through some of the overwhelming evidence:

*The 10 hottest years in recorded history have occured in the last 14 years
* Changes in the weather patterns have been observed, with stronger, more frequent hurricanes. South America experienced its first hurricane last year.
* Carbon deposits have markedly increased in the Arctic

There's plenty more. And, 99% of scientists agree on this. Insurance companies, many businesses, etc. agree on it. The only industry that doesn't is the car industry, and the only scientists that disagree are part of front groups funded by the car manufacturors.

[ChickenStu]

We can sit here and throw *facts at each other all day long until we are blue in the fingers, but that doesnt change the truth at all.

Recorded history is the last hundred years? maybe two? There have been 5 periods in the last 3000 years that scientists have determined to be hotter than this period.

Hurricans are on a cycle also. Katrina and whatever that other one was weren't even that strong...katrina was just huge. There were many stronger hurricanes recorded in the 1900s, and many way before that. Arguing hurricanes is futile...it is simply a connection the media has made trying to push its agenda.

If we are so worried about C02, we should be really worried about methane...a greenhouse gas emitted by plant life, which is much more polluting than CO2. CO2 is natural...it is essential for most biological life on this planet.

Thats where your truth ends....as most scientists do not recognize global warming as a problem.

Just wondering...but does every issue come back to being about large *evil* corporations?

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

The earth will cool down, it just has cycles. What humans do to this planet is nothing compared to what nature can do it self.

While I find the argument that global warming isn't really humankind's fault is ridiculous, suppose you're right. It'll still take thousands, if not millions, of years for CO2 and ozone levels to go back to normal, the rainforests to regrow (and new species to evolve to replace the ones we've eliminated), all our trash to biodegrade, and for parts of the earth we've left pretty much raped to go back to the way they used to be. And either way, if the earth's temperature keeps rising the way it's rising now, we're all dead within a century.

I think there are a few solutions to the problems, and there will be more as technology advances, but I think that it will take so long to even begin solving the problem that things will get much worse before they get better. Until almost all energy is produced by either wind, nuclear reactors, or solar panels, the environment will keep taking a beating, species will keep dying, and sea level will keep rising. I think that at some point, energy will become so expensive that a lot of things we take for granted will have to be shut down.

[Cain]

why would I be in the soviet union?

and where'd I get that time machine

"The people united can never be defeated!" sounds like something a commissar would say, or perhaps something a Red general whose million-man army got its *** kicked by a bunch of Finlanders on skis would say as his last words.

Just wondering...but does every issue come back to being about large *evil* corporations?

Yes, because although democracy allows elected government over a national populace, capitalism allows for multiple dictatorships over fundamental resources. Employees don't vote for CEOs or assistant vice presidents of human resources. Hence, leaders of corporations can control a vast amount of resources with very little checks to their power, mostly because they have politicians in their pocket due to the very control of those resources, and because the non-communism variety of democracy sticks its nose out of economic affairs generally.

The only industry that doesn't is the car industry, and the only scientists that disagree are part of front groups funded by the car manufacturors.

I think you'd have to include power and energy industries in on this one, including the oil industry. And there is the secret to governmental reluctance to do anything about it either.

[ChickenStu]

While I find the argument that global warming isn't really humankind's fault is ridiculous, suppose you're right. It'll still take thousands, if not millions, of years for CO2 and ozone levels to go back to normal, the rainforests to regrow (and new species to evolve to replace the ones we've eliminated), all our trash to biodegrade, and for parts of the earth we've left pretty much raped to go back to the way they used to be. And either way, if the earth's temperature keeps rising the way it's rising now, we're all dead within a century.

I think there are a few solutions to the problems, and there will be more as technology advances, but I think that it will take so long to even begin solving the problem that things will get much worse before they get better. Until almost all energy is produced by either wind, nuclear reactors, or solar panels, the environment will keep taking a beating, species will keep dying, and sea level will keep rising. I think that at some point, energy will become so expensive that a lot of things we take for granted will have to be shut down.

I dont have the strength.

Must be all that hormone injected beef and inorganic produce I have been eating.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

I dont have the strength.

Must be all that hormone injected beef and inorganic produce I have been eating.

No, it's because you don't have a sense of how your actions can have consequences. You drive a car, CO2 is emitted. CO2, as you may have ignored at some point in history, is a greenhouse gas which, long story short, means that a lot of infrared rays that should be bouncing into space are heating up our planet.

Either way you look at it, the path we're on is not viable. How much is gas going to have to cost before people start accepting that other alternatives are better? Ok, so we won't run out for at least a hundred years or so. What then? We'll still need other sources of energy. Why not go towards renewable sources of energy NOW, and not wait until there's a massive economic crisis because people don't have the energy required to make the world go round?

[ChickenStu]

No, it's because you don't have a sense of how your actions can have consequences. You drive a car, CO2 is emitted. CO2, as you may have ignored at some point in history, is a greenhouse gas which, long story short, means that a lot of infrared rays that should be bouncing into space are heating up our planet.

HAhahaha.

Between 1920 and 1987 the earth cooled slightly.

Explain this to me, use all the infrared rays and regurgitated information that you want.

[Reaganista]

"The people united can never be defeated!" sounds like something a commissar would say, or perhaps something a Red general whose million-man army got its *** kicked by a bunch of Finlanders on skis would say as his last words.

antiflag might say it, too

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

HAhahaha.

Between 1920 and 1987 the earth cooled slightly.

Explain this to me, use all the infrared rays and regurgitated information that you want.


Notice the bolded word, and then look at how fast the world has been heating up since 1987. Some variation is natural. Variation to this extent is not.

p.s. I googled your statistic just for the hell of it. Some site that seems to think exactly what you think says this:

Though not statistically different from zero, the period from 1920 to 1987 has been dominated by a cooling of 0.13C (0.24F)

That's a little bit more than an eigth of a degree in 60 years. Even the website itself says that this is not statistically different from zero - for you math non-geniuses, that means it's the equivalent of finding a guy "not guilty" because your witness turned out to be half-blind and stoned at the time of the crime.

You know what else is fun about statistics? You can use them to say anything. I don't deny your number is right, but you know what else is right? ver the last century, global temperature is up 1 degree Farenheit (0.6 Celsius). Take into account your -0.13 degree variation from 1920 to 1987, and you have a 0.73 positive variation happening over a period of 33 years. Draw yourself a little graph of what that looks like if you have to.

p.s. my statistic wasn't meant to owndizzle you, it was meant to neutralize yours. Forget about numbers, because every statistic that helps your case is counteracted by a whole lot of other numbers. You can talk about solar cycles all you want, but the last time the Sun was at its peak was in the late 1980s, and temperature has gone up since then.

[ringworm]

He is right, I have seen several shows debating whether it is just a natural cycle or global warming. They still aren't sure.
But no one can deny the amount of harmful substances we are polluting the earth & atmosphere with along with the resources with are depleting on a daily basis.
It would take a HUGE movement to get things kickstarted (auto manufactures etc) to clean things up & find alternative fuel sources.
Then, a greedy crafty CEO would align himself to be the "producer" of these new substances & we would still be paying the same amount or even more for fuel sources. The corn based fuel they have right now is already as much as gasoline, but with higher production it would go down some.
So either way we are screwed, but the planet is more important than how much a tank of gas is.

[Chrysostom]

Will we finally do what's necessary, or will we go down a path that will entail significant repurcussions?

Doubtful. Democratic governments are all in the thrall of big business and it's big business which is damaging the environment.

[Reaganista]

yeah and it's big business that's going to devise solutions to this

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

It would take a HUGE movement to get things kickstarted (auto manufactures etc) to clean things up & find alternative fuel sources.
Then, a greedy crafty CEO would align himself to be the "producer" of these new substances & we would still be paying the same amount or even more for fuel sources. The corn based fuel they have right now is already as much as gasoline, but with higher production it would go down some.
So either way we are screwed, but the planet is more important than how much a tank of gas is.

Ethanol isn't a viable solution though in the long run, simply because there isn't enough space on the planet to grow enough of it. And besides, could you really justify using tonnes of corn a year to run your car when there are people starving in the world? Also, ethanol burns a lot cleaner than gasoline, but it still still pollutes. It's definitely a good start, and I support most of the movement to increase the ethanol in gasoline, but it's not an end-all solution to the problem.

You could also end the greedy CEO bullshyte by nationalizing energy :). That's how it's done where I live, and energy prices are the cheapest in North America. Granted, we have more potential for hydroelectric dams than we know what to do with, but still. And plus all profits go towards the government being slightly less broke than it is now :).

[Already_Taken]

yeah and it's big business that's going to devise solutions to this
yeah but when? when they run out of fossil fuel and they aren't making money anymore, right? there needs to be a solution sooner than that.

[Reaganista]

no, they'll devise a solution to it when it becomes profitable to do so

[Already_Taken]

no, they'll devise a solution to it when it becomes profitable to do so
yeah when they are losing money because of the huge prices of fossil fuel in 30 years or however long we have. That isn't soon enough, dude.

[Reaganista]

I didn't realize you'd conducted an economic study of this whole subject

[Already_Taken]

you're a real gem, seriously

[MAthiAS]

Ethanol isn't a viable solution though in the long run, simply because there isn't enough space on the planet to grow enough of it. And besides, could you really justify using tonnes of corn a year to run your car when there are people starving in the world? Also, ethanol burns a lot cleaner than gasoline, but it still still pollutes. It's definitely a good start, and I support most of the movement to increase the ethanol in gasoline, but it's not an end-all solution to the problem.
Yeah, that's why its called an alternative and not a solution. Pretty much no matter what we use, save for solar, wind and hydroelectric power, we need to increase efficiency and not just consume just as much of a different resource.