Dealing with the Normals: an R&M support thread

[Steerpike]

I'm in kind of a weird mood, so I'm just going to throw this out the window and see if it bounces.



"Metal is all just noise."
"That singer sounds like he's throwing up."
"Well, if they're so good, how come they aren't on MTV?"

Friends, have you ever had the misfortune of hearing phrases like this uttered in your presence? We all have. To the dedicated rock and metal fan, dealing with those uninitiated in the genre, a.k.a. the normals, can sometimes be a frustrating, if not downright infuriating experience. But there is help.

If ever you have a frustrating encounter with a normal or would like to bring up a situation you often find yourself in, come here and let the group know about it. We'll offer our support and a variety of ways to come out on top.

For example, suppose you get a normal who says the first quote above...

"Metal is all just noise, anyway man."
"And (insert their favorite genre here) is all just clicks and whistles to me, so let's call it even."

See? Funny, not outwardly defensive or hostile, and most people listening are going to remember you in a more positive light.

What if you encounter the second quote?

"What the hell is with this vocalist? He sounds like he's vomiting."
"Yeah, the album is called Jack Daniels binge. Sounds just like the real thing, doesn't it?"

A little self-effacing humor is always fun.

And sometimes a non-sequitor does the trick when the normals aren't ready for the truth.

"Well, if Iron Maiden are so great, how come I never see them on MTV?"
"Because they hate you. I thought you knew that."

As you can see, dealing with the normals doesn't have to be painful. There is help. Trust me.

[Invicta_Veritas]

OMFG......this is a great idea Steerpike.


Give me a minute, and I will compose my tangent.

////prepares to go off.....


"He sounds like a witch being burned at the stake"

////no, that's the goat screaming as it's being sacrificed



this one came from my boss: " He sounds like he's got a headache"


/////They outlawed aspirin in massachusetts i think


"What the hell is all that squealy noises and stuff---is that actually guitar"

////No, it's the pig he shot with an arrow.



------more to come

[Bazarov]

:lol: Great idea. If I think of some, I'll post. I'll proabably just leech.

[Huber]

Those ones you just listed kinda sounded like "heeeeears your sign!" jokes.

[Scoot]

Pretty nice.

[Txus]

Those things are so true.

[AA-12]

Haha, this is a good idea for a thread. Too bad idiots outnumber real music fans 100:1

[Invicta_Veritas]

Haha, this is a good idea for a thread. Too bad idiots outnumber real music fans 100:1

Isn't that the truth. Sadly.

[AA-12]

Isn't that the truth. Sadly.
Hey, at least it's a self esteem boost for me, haha.

[panthersfan16]

I can't understand what they're saying!

Honey, you don't wanna understand what they're saying.


That's not music!

Neither is you're voice, the difference is no one listens to you

/lol lame but im not exactly the wittiest guy on earth.

[Steerpike]

I can't understand what they're saying!

Well you shouldn't have slept in class when they were teaching you to speak metal.

That's not music!

It's not pancakes either, what's your point?

[Scuba_Steve]

"The top 100 charts show which artists have the most talent" said my a kid sitting near me in french.

My reply- "More like which artists get the most press time."

[Slapping Penguin]

my mate said, "its just sounds like really fast power chords being hit and screaming"

I should have said

"And your music sounds like a 4000 dollar keyboard being hit with no pressure of time whatsoever, so we are even"

[Steerpike]

"The top 100 charts show which artists have the most talent"

Actually, it's like a mad-lib. There's lots of words you can substitute for talent in there and it works better. Hype, press, money... crotch lice.

"its just sounds like really fast power chords being hit and screaming"

Yeah, they routinely beat and flog power chords. Someone needs to keep those little bastards in line.

[ghettoeddo]

That's not music!

Neither is you're voice, the difference is no one listens to you

/lol lame but im not exactly the wittiest guy on earth.

i think you just won. for sure. :smoke:

[Silenius]

:lol:


Great idea Steerpike. :D

[heavy metal kid]

N:"Your music is all about death, satan and violence"
R&M:"I knew it was good, but not that powerfull. Thanks, you made my day"

that pretty much worked for me in front of a teacher, everyone laughed.

[Deth]

One time this kid who just listens to 50 Cent and the like was making fun of my music and was just throwing out names he was making up:
"Go listen to Superkill or Bloodbath or something"

So I let him listen to some Bloodbath. Shut him up for a while. He actualy did the same thing with Megadeth some how. He's a moron.

[Steerpike]

N:"Your music is all about death, satan and violence"
R&M:"I knew it was good, but not that powerfull. Thanks, you made my day"

that pretty much worked for me in front of a teacher, everyone laughed.

Very slick.

One time this kid who just listens to 50 Cent and the like was making fun of my music and was just throwing out names he was making up:
"Go listen to Superkill or Bloodbath or something"

So I let him listen to some Bloodbath. Shut him up for a while. He actualy did the same thing with Megadeth some how. He's a moron.

That must have been a glorious moment.

[Shattered_Future]

I will give props, this is an excellent idea.

I think my TV teacher had the best line...some kids were talking about music, and when I came in, they said, "You listen to angry music!"

To which my teacher replies, "Your music is angry too! It's all about slapping hoes and shooting your own mother!"

I never properly thanked her...

[Shattered_Future]

I will give props, this is an excellent idea.

I think my TV teacher had the best line...some kids were talking about music, and when I came in, they said, "You listen to angry music!"

To which my teacher replies, "Your music is angry too! It's all about slapping hoes and shooting your own mother!"

I never properly thanked her...

[Bazarov]

That's what my pet peeve is with people. They say metal is just about killing and evil stuff. Yet they listen to rappers who talk about being in gangs and killing cops and other people as well. :-/

[Steerpike]

I will give props, this is an excellent idea.

I think my TV teacher had the best line...some kids were talking about music, and when I came in, they said, "You listen to angry music!"

To which my teacher replies, "Your music is angry too! It's all about slapping hoes and shooting your own mother!"

I never properly thanked her...

That was an pwnage for the ages.

[Shattered_Future]

That was an pwnage for the ages.

It truly was. I really should thank her...

[Stormrider]

Say hi to your teacher for me, Shattered Future :p

[ghettoeddo]

yea hip-hop doesn't exactly have the most poignant lyrics either.
a co-worker asked me IN A NICE WAY why i liked rock and metal even though the lyrics are all about negative things.

so i asked her what good lyrics her music had and she said "they talk about growing up and their lives in the hoods and stuff."

[Leukeh]

It's amazing how many white kids claim they listen to hip-hop & rap & stuff because they can relate to it... I wonder how many why kids grew up in the ghetto with drive-by's happening every night, grew up not knowing anything about their father except that he was black and their mum hates him.

Now that I think about it that sounds really racist, but it wasn't intended to be... Just pointing out the differences between black & white culture... white kids can't relate to it.

The only reson I listen to the rap I listen to is because it's funny...

[ghettoeddo]

yea i listen to comical rap like afroman/chris rock/ludacris etc.
just for kicks and giggles.

how is there a saw 3 leukeh? the killer was revealed...we know who it is. so it's not quite as suspenseful

[Leukeh]

yea i listen to comical rap like afroman/chris rock/ludacris etc.
just for kicks and giggles.

how is there a saw 3 leukeh? the killer was revealed...we know who it is. so it's not quite as suspenseful

We knew who the killer was at the end of the first one! The cops didn't though...

Remember at the end of Saw II how the girl closes the door to the place where the original Saw was set? She had the boy with her then... It'll have something to do with those two I think... It'll be sweet, whatever happens =P I hope the trailers are released soon...

[niobium]

Threads like these are the only reason I visit R&M. Thank you, Steerpike!

I wish I was clever enough to create one, but I'm literally copy and pasting all these into a document. You have all been immortalized.

lol, Immortal. Those guys...

[heavy metal kid]

I can't find a clever way to respond:
"Megadeth is mispelled"
"What's up with the halloween costumes"(refering to some Black Metal bands)

[Amit]

see the problem with rock and metal is that it's still an (hugely insecure) upstart compared to jazz and classical

you won't see threads lik e this made in jazz or classical forums :-P

[A Spoonful Supreme]

see the problem with rock and metal is that it's still an (hugely insecure) upstart compared to jazz and classical

you won't see threads lik e this made in jazz or classical forums :-P

pretty true, and rock and metal also has an aura of stupid around it.... rock that doesnt rock, long stupid hair and wierd looks that the people who look like that tell everyone it doesnt influence their music. etc

[Amit]

pretty true, and rock and metal also has an aura of stupid around it.... rock that doesnt rock, long stupid hair and wierd looks that the people who look like that tell everyone it doesnt influence their music. etc

hehe

the nice thing about jazz and classical is that there usually is are much higher aesthetic intelligence requisites than with rock, metal, and all other forms of popular music

sure there are dumb people at harvard, but they are a much quieter and smaller percentage of the total population than say at a state college :-P

[A Spoonful Supreme]

When I hear metal shredding and the like I cant help but think "what a waste of technical skill" cuz I really it could be used with greater textures and harmonies with other instruments, thats what metal lacks, waaay to much emphasis on guitar and heavyness, a lost musics, attracts lost boys

[heavy metal kid]

pretty true, and rock and metal also has an aura of stupid around it.... rock that doesnt rock, long stupid hair and wierd looks that the people who look like that tell everyone it doesnt influence their music. etc

every musical genre/style has their tendencies, so basically every genre has an aura of stupid around them.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

every musical genre/style has their tendencies, so basically every genre has an aura of stupid around it.

nothing has a bigger aura of sttoooopid than metal and rock as they deal primarily in primal tendencies.... and primal means cut off at the cerebellum which in turn means stupid

[heavy metal kid]

It's not stupidity, is just greatness, as in: Rock and Metal are so great that they waste technicall skill on purpose, that's how great it is.

Edit: seriously, you have a point, but you are talking in general, many R&M bands go beyond the genre without tendencies or musical trends.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

It's not stupidity, is just greatness, as in: Rock and Metal are so great that they waste technicall skill on purpose, that's how great it is.

lmfao..... okay you got me.

[Slapping Penguin]

When I hear metal shredding and the like I cant help but think "what a waste of technical skill" cuz I really it could be used with greater textures and harmonies with other instruments, thats what metal lacks, waaay to much emphasis on guitar and heavyness, a lost musics, attracts lost boys

You Obviously have no idea what your talking about and have probely only heard about three bands.

[Riva]

hehe

the nice thing about jazz and classical is that there usually is are much higher aesthetic intelligence requisites than with rock, metal, and all other forms of popular music

sure there are dumb people at harvard, but they are a much quieter and smaller percentage of the total population than say at a state college :-P

Bah, Jazz lovers are too busy being snooty to have insecurites.

[Amit]

:->

[A Spoonful Supreme]

You Obviously have no idea what your talking about and have probely only heard about three bands.

even if there were some non-wankage bands....... they're still stupid to me even if its in their appearance, theres no excuse for looking like a fuktard

[Mazeppa]

I generally find the best thing to do if someone makes a comment about my listening to metal, is that actually my favourite musicain is Beethoven. That generally shuts them up. Obviously not everyone can use that one though.

[ATC]

even if there were some non-wankage bands....... they're still stupid to me even if its in their appearance, theres no excuse for looking like a fuktard

There's about a million and a half non-stereotypical looking metal bands and an equal number that don't focus on wankage.

There's messed-up looking people in pretty much every genre. Metal's not my genre of choice at all but I've long hair and a braided beard. I play trip-hop and Latin music. Judge not the music by the band's appearance.

[Toaster]

I generally find the best thing to do if someone makes a comment about my listening to metal, is that actually my favourite musicain is Beethoven. That generally shuts them up. Obviously not everyone can use that one though.

That sort of sucks. To get people to respect your musical opinion you have to listen to classical music. :-/

I don't even defend myself to people who ask those sort of questions. I just pull out some Origin and let them reassure themselves. I mean, if they are so close-minded as to ask someone who's a clear fan of the genre, "is he liek, puking or some ****? man go kill summ ppl" then they're clearly not worth my time.. at least when it comes to music. I've met plenty of great people who have bad taste in music though.

[Mazeppa]

That sort of sucks. To get people to respect your musical opinion you have to listen to classical music. :-/
Not really. They say listen to better music, and I tell them I mostly listen to classical. Then they don't really have anything further to say on the matter.

[Toaster]

It just gets me how if you listen to classical, all your musical opinions are suddenly justified.. you can listen to anything and be taken seriously, for you are enlightened!

That wasn't directed at you, it's fine that you like classical. It just sucks for those of use who don't. :p

[Amit]

That sort of sucks. To get people to respect your musical opinion you have to listen to classical music. :-/

Or jazz! Never forget jazz.

It just gets me how if you listen to classical, all your musical opinions are suddenly justified.. you can listen to anything and be taken seriously, for you are enlightened!

It's not that if you listen to classical that your opinions are suddenly justified.

Those who can appreciate the aesthetic nuances of the various periods of classical (or jazz or indian classical or other musical art forms) music almost universally tend to have a much more diverse outlook and far better critical analysis/listening skills in general than those who don't.

[Kru]

"Making metal songs takes no skill whatsoever."
"I know, that's why I love it!"

I say that in a sarcastic way, meaning that I know it takes skill, but I just say that so they're like, "huh," and go away. lol :p

[Toaster]

It's not that if you listen to classical that your opinions are suddenly justified.

Those who can appreciate the aesthetic nuances of the various periods of classical (or jazz or indian classical or other musical art forms) music almost universally tend to have a much more diverse outlook and far better critical analysis/listening skills in general than those who don't.

You basically just contradicted yourself. If people who listen to jazz/classical "almost universally" have better critical analysis/listening skills in general, then it stands to reason that their opinions are logical and should be taken seriously, right? As opposed to the boorish mob who don't appreciate these finer arts.

I don't think people who listen to jazz or classical music are more open-minded or diverse in musical taste. I think they are often more close-minded, and have a tendency to be more judgemental, especially when it comes to new music.

[Steerpike]

"Megadeth is mispelled"

Very observant. Give yourself a star.

"What's up with the halloween costumes"

That's not make-up. Those are there really faces, you insensitive racist.

the nice thing about jazz and classical is that there usually is are much higher aesthetic intelligence requisites than with rock, metal, and all other forms of popular music

Jazz and classical also have a higher percentage of holier-than-thou elitists.

Those who can appreciate the aesthetic nuances of the various periods of classical (or jazz or indian classical or other musical art forms) music almost universally tend to have a much more diverse outlook and far better critical analysis/listening skills in general than those who don't.

Not necessarily. I've met a lot of classical and jazz fans whose only pre-requisite was believing they were smarter and more sophisticated simply because they prefer Wes Montgomery to Joe Satriani.

In fact, classical music tends to attract some of the most close-minded elitists on the planet. And by stating oyur opinion that way, you just proved me right.

[Shadows Within]

Not really. They say listen to better music, and I tell them I mostly listen to classical. Then they don't really have anything further to say on the matter.
Yeah usually when someone says something to me they'll say why dont you listen to classical or jazz if you want good music, at which point i pull out my vivaldi and paganini CD's. :p

[Amit]

You basically just contradicted yourself. If people who listen to jazz/classical "almost universally" have better critical analysis/listening skills in general, then it stands to reason that their opinions are logical and should be taken seriously, right? As opposed to the boorish mob who don't appreciate these finer arts.

I don't think people who listen to jazz or classical music are more open-minded or diverse in musical taste. I think they are often more close-minded, and have a tendency to be more judgemental, especially when it comes to new music.

There's a fairly big difference between listen and appreciate.

Jazz and classical also have a higher percentage of holier-than-thou elitists.

Those are the ones who give jazz and classical a bad name.

And honestly, if you want to talk about holier-than-thou elitists, let's look at this entire damned forum. Especially with you and this thread.

"Normals?"

You are in absolutely no place to criticize, haha.

Not necessarily. I've met a lot of classical and jazz fans whose only pre-requisite was believing they were smarter and more sophisticated simply because they prefer Wes Montgomery to Joe Satriani.

Where do you meet all these classical and jazz fans? Because they are pretty damned dumb :-\

Because I honestly don't take such weak anecdotal evidence seriously.

In fact, classical music tends to attract some of the most close-minded elitists on the planet. And by stating oyur opinion that way, you just proved me right.

Ah yes.

Here we go with Steerpike's mindshattering revelation:

I'm a close-minded elitist because I have an open mind about subjectivity in music!

Nice going once again, Rock & Metal forums. You guys always sure make me proud to listen to rock and metal.

[Steerpike]

Those are the ones who give jazz and classical a bad name.

No ****. So perhaps it's not okay to continually buy into stereotypes like this:

the nice thing about jazz and classical is that there usually is are much higher aesthetic intelligence requisites than with rock, metal, and all other forms of popular music

While it is true that jazz and classical are more erudite, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily more intelligent music styles.

And honestly, if you want to talk about holier-than-thou elitists, let's look at this entire damned forum. Especially with you and this thread.

"Normals?"

You are in absolutely no place to criticize, haha.

I see the concept of humor is lost on you.

Where do you meet all these classical and jazz fans? Because they are pretty damned dumb :-\

Because I honestly don't take such weak anecdotal evidence seriously.

That's your problem, not mine.

Ah yes.

Here we go with Steerpike's mindshattering revelation:

I'm a close-minded elitist because I have an open mind about subjectivity in music!

Nice going once again, Rock & Metal forums. You guys always sure make me proud to listen to rock and metal.

Again, you don't seem to understand that I'm not meant to be taken that seriously. The grain of truth to what I was saying is that you seem to be buying into a lot of stereotypes yourself.

[Amit]

While it is true that jazz and classical are more erudite, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily more intelligent music styles.

You contradicted yourself just a little bit there.

Unless of course you're using hugely unconventional definitions of erudite and intelligent.

I see the concept of humor is lost on you.

I see the concept of the inherent inabiility to detect sarcasm on the internet is lost on you.

For someone who has so many posts, I would think you'd realize this by now.

That's your problem, not mine.

Hehe, burden of proof lies on you.

Not me.

Again, you don't seem to understand that I'm not meant to be taken that seriously. The grain of truth to what I was saying is that you seem to be buying into a lot of stereotypes yourself.

I see the concept of humour is lost on you.

[Lord Abortion]

Nice thread Alex. An Idea right out of the top drawer

My general opinion is: People are cretins. People who talk like this are an insult to cretins.

[Steerpike]

You contradicted yourself just a little bit there.

Unless of course you're using hugely unconventional definitions of erudite and intelligent.

The ability to quote all the books you read word-for-word doesn't necessarily mean you understand any of it. I've known a lot of so-called smart people in my life who couldn't apply any of the knowledge they'd amassed to save their lives.

I see the concept of the inherent inabiility to detect sarcasm on the internet is lost on you.

For someone who has so many posts, I would think you'd realize this by now.

Because as everybody knows, you can hear text loud and clear.

Hehe, burden of proof lies on you.

Not me.

And this mean what to me?

I see the concept of humour is lost on you.

How long do you want to continue this little display of verbal pong?

[Amit]

The ability to quote all the books you read word-for-word doesn't necessarily mean you understand any of it. I've known a lot of so-called smart people in my life who couldn't apply any of the knowledge they'd amassed to save their lives.

Your analogy is just kind of irrelevant, but umm, hey cool.


Anyway, if those supposedly smart people can't apply all that knowledge, then guess what: They aren't smart people!

Mindblowing, I know.

It's like all those guitarists with supposedly amazing technique who just have no ounce of musicality.

They actually don't have good technique!

Because as everybody knows, you can hear text loud and clear.

How long do you want to continue this little display of verbal pong?

And this mean what to me?

It's one of the most well known logical fallacies. (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html)

Go visit the PNWI forum sometime :-P

[Steerpike]

Okay, for a second you were getting better, but then you went right back to the human echo bullshit. This is like chasing my own tail.

Tell you what: you want the last word? Take it. But if you want to continue this discussion on the intelligence of genres, start you own thread. I created this one for the R&Mers to have a good laugh sharing experiences with those who are less than accepting of our music. If you're not going to contribute anything to that topic, I'm going to kindly ask you to leave before you derail the thread any further.

[Amit]

Okay, for a second you were getting better, but then you went right back to the human echo bullshit. This is like chasing my own tail.

Frustrating isn't it?

It's almost as bad as meaningless one liners like...Oh, I don't know...The concept of humour is lost upon yourself? Or maybe, something about verbal pong.

Tell you what: you want the last word? Take it. But if you want to continue this discussion on the intelligence of genres, start you own thread. I created this one for the R&Mers to have a good laugh sharing experiences with those who are less than accepting of our music. If you're not going to contribute anything to that topic, I'm going to kindly ask you to leave before you derail the thread any further.

I posted in here to have a good laugh at R&Mers who are having a good laugh sharing experiences with those who are less than accepting of their music.

What's wrong with that?

I'll leave your precious thread now though :-)

[Steerpike]

I'm only going to ask you one more time to leave the thread. You're not really contributing anything of any value to the topic.

Please leave.

[Amit]

I've left!

What else do you want?

Oh I know.

Here's my obligatory sob story about how my roommate always made fun of me because I listened to Rhapsody and Lost Horizon but then I was like, "but they sing about dragons!"

And all was well in the room =)

[Txus]

Shut the **** up please, you are ruining a good thread :angry:

[Reywas]

Steerpike for the win. Nothing to add.

[Neoteric]

I've never had any of this happen to me but this once happened with my friend:

Friend: Metal is ****
Me: Yeah, good ****!

[metallicaman8]

"Music today is all the ****ing same. Swearing and girls washing cars."

"Rap is **** on a stick"

"He couldn't sing his way out of a paper bag" <I actually like that one

[Cocaine]

A lot of Hiphop is amazing, you dolts.

Seriously though guys, that was the most unnecessary display of pedantry and insecurity I've ever seen on here. We get it, you're smart.
______

"How can you listen to this ****?"
"I usually stick to headphones"

[Dave de Sylvia]

the nice thing about jazz and classical is that there usually is are much higher aesthetic intelligence requisites than with rock, metal, and all other forms of popular music
This is a dumb sentence aesthetically. But I agree with it; good show.

[Steerpike]

"Music today is all the ****ing same. Swearing and girls washing cars."

"Rap is **** on a stick"

"He couldn't sing his way out of a paper bag" <I actually like that one

To be fair, we're not trying to bash other genres. Anytime we make jokes about it, we're only doing it to be funny.

Of course, if you want to make fun of the crappy examples of a genre (Night Ranger, 50 Cent, et al), they're fair game. :thumb:

[niobium]

This is a dumb sentence aesthetically. But I agree with it; good show.Shh, lets not speak of page 2...

[Dave de Sylvia]

To be fair, we're not trying to bash other genres. Anytime we make jokes about it, we're only doing it to be funny.

Of course, if you want to make fun of the crappy examples of a genre (Night Ranger, 50 Cent, et al), they're fair game. :thumb:
50 Cent is far from crappy.

[Moses]

50 Cent is far from crappy.
BITCH GET IN MY CAR!!!

[Steerpike]

50 Cent is far from crappy.

It was just a joke.

[Amit]

It was just a joke.

So were all my posts but how come you aren't arguing with Dan?

[Steerpike]

So were all my posts but how come you aren't arguing with Dan?

Because his attitude doesn't suck. Now move along.

[Amit]

Because his attitude doesn't suck. Now move along.

Oh the delicious irony :-)

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's almost as bad as meaningless one liners like...Oh, I don't know...The concept of humour is lost upon yourself? Or maybe, something about verbal pong.


Ad Hominem. Dig it.

Anyways, I think that metal elitists are far funnier than the 'normals.' You know, the people who actually buy into the whole kill rape blood gore themes?

[Amit]

Ad Hominem. Dig it.

It would be ad hominem only if you were operating on a really slippery slope of causation.

Anyways, I think that metal elitists are far funnier than the 'normals.' You know, the people who actually buy into the whole kill rape blood gore themes?

Metal elitists are indeed far funnier.

[Kingofdudes]

Jake, did you like that Air song?

[Cocaine]

Elitits in general, trying to prove one genres superiority over another, are the funniest.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Jake, did you like that Air song?

Heck yeah, dude. It reminded me a bit of Thievery Corporation, but more tasteful. Good choice, and thanks. Sorry for never messaging your back about it, but yeah..Very good stuff. :thumb:

[Steerpike]

Ad Hominem. Dig it.

Anyways, I think that metal elitists are far funnier than the 'normals.' You know, the people who actually buy into the whole kill rape blood gore themes?

True. But unlike non-metal fans who buy into stereotypes, metal elitists are nigh impossible to deal with for more than 30 seconds at a time.

[Moses]

Jake, how are you diggin' that Chick Corea?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6F5144F9652BE06D

[Amit]

Hey, if you guys like Thievery Corporation, I highly recommend Karsh Kale and Talvin Singh=)

[Moses]

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6F5144F9652BE06D
I'll upload it one more time.

/exhausted.

[TojesDolan]

I like the kind of people that tells me "Oh I like all kinds of music" to which I reply "Ah so you also like Rock and stuff?" "yeah, I sometimes listen to Simple Plan or *looks around* metallica *giggles*". All I have left to do is smile.

Either that or telling people I don't like music. That's a treasure too.

On a related note, I'd like to point out the fact that whenever a mediocrely good looking female asks me to let her listen to whatever is on my CD player I change the song if it's to "3xtrem3 n' br007al", just to avoid the post commentaries on how devilish it is. But yeah, opinions.

[metallicaman8]

"I like the kind of people that tells me "Oh I like all kinds of music" to which I reply "Ah so you also like Rock and stuff?" "yeah, I sometimes listen to Simple Plan or *looks around* metallica *giggles*". All I have left to do is smile."

Yeah, I have to deal with people like that too. they annoy me.

[Steerpike]

On a related note, I'd like to point out the fact that whenever a mediocrely good looking female asks me to let her listen to whatever is on my CD player I change the song if it's to "3xtrem3 n' br007al", just to avoid the post commentaries on how devilish it is. But yeah, opinions.

Hell, I let peoeple listen in on whatever I have. If they're cool about it, I just say, "It's not for everybody. Whatever blows your skirt up."

If they start the rude remarks, then it's open season.

[Moses]

On a related note, I'd like to point out the fact that whenever a mediocrely good looking female asks me to let her listen to whatever is on my CD player I change the song if it's to "3xtrem3 n' br007al", just to avoid the post commentaries on how devilish it is. But yeah, opinions.
I don't do that. I enjoy the looks on people's faces when they hear Slaves Shall Serve's intro.

[Mr. Black]

Friend: Pink Floyd is just Noise and sound effects!

Me: ...

I honestly don't know what to say to him.

[Txus]

I don't do that. I enjoy the looks on people's faces when they hear Slaves Shall Serve's intro.
:lol: I love that too, I love to put some Anaal Nathrakh to my female friends, they always freak out :p

I'm the "Satanic" dude in my class now muahaha....

[Steerpike]

Friend: Pink Floyd is just Noise and sound effects!

Me: ...

I honestly don't know what to say to him.

Here's a few:

"Take some cough medicine and it will all become clear."
"And it's still whole worlds apart from and better than anything Victory Records puts out."
"We're going to have to feed you to our god now."

:lol: I love that too, I love to put some Anaal Nathrakh to my female friends, they always freak out :p

I'm the "Satanic" dude in my class now muahaha....

A friend of mine said her roommate was really close-minded about metal and nothing short of a bullet was going to get that idea out of her. So one time in front of her roommate, I started talking about Send More Paramedics and screamed out some choice lyrics, complete with theatrics, to Zombie Crew. Priceless.

[TojesDolan]

Friend: Pink Floyd is just Noise and sound effects!

Me: ...

I honestly don't know what to say to him.
I was shocked when my IT teacher told me Pink Floyd was awesome. I wanted to hump her right there. Good times.

To the other messages, of course. However the least they know of my musical tastes and like, whichever they range from, the better.

[Moses]

Elitits in general.
Haha
"We're going to have to feed you to our god now."
That's my favorite one so far.

[Mr. Black]

Here's a few:

"Take some cough medicine and it will all become clear."
"And it's still whole worlds apart from and better than anything Victory Records puts out."
"We're going to have to feed you to our god now."

I'll try them all!

[A Spoonful Supreme]

Wait so in metal.... how come there's so much anger and bad lyrics? Or am I missing out on some happy metal?

serious question

[Moses]

Wait so in metal.... how come there's so much anger and bad lyrics?

serious question
because you were born


There's alot of happy metal. Have you ever heard of Power metal?

[A Spoonful Supreme]

because you were born


There's alot of happy metal. Have you ever heard of Power metal?

Why does metal feel it has to be heavy to get its point across?

[heavy metal kid]

Wait so in metal.... how come there's so much anger and bad lyrics?


Because it's a non physicall way to express anger or any other feeling. Just like good literature.

Besides, there's a lot of bands without angry and bad lyrics.

Why does metal feel it has to be heavy to get its point across?

Because metal is heavy, that's the point.

Seriously, because heavy stuff(musically) generates different reactions on the people. You wouldn't feel the same if you were hit by a cotton ball that if you were hit by a bus.

[Stoic]

Why does metal feel it has to be heavy to get its point across?
Because it has no point.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

Because it has no point.

What's the point of pointless music?

[Steerpike]

Wait so in metal.... how come there's so much anger and bad lyrics? Or am I missing out on some happy metal?

serious question

Well, to start with it's an aesthetic originally coined by groups like Black Sabbath and Dio. Metal is a genre that pushes the envelope into paradigms that other music styles prefer to avoid, and in doing so it's inevitable you're going to get angry or depressed some of the time.

As for happy metal, I encourage you to check out Jason's review of A Flame to the Ground Beneath by Lost Horizon, and not just because he quoted me in it and my ego would love the extra hot air. Lost Horizon are one of the most fist-pumping, empowering, and balls-to-the-wall postive metal bands ever concieved.

Why does metal feel it has to be heavy to get its point across?

When you're dealing with harsher ideas and expressions of the extreme side of spectrum in thought and emotion, you probably don't want to set it to zither music.

[Josh]

What's the point of pointless music?
because the band enjoy expressing themselves that way, whether or not anyone buys the music is up to the audience, and whether or not they enjoy the way the band express themselves.
how much of the music you hear on mainstream radio nowadays has absolutely no point to the lyrics?

[Flynn]

I always get **** from people when I mention the band Death. And they all say the same thing!!

''You ever heard of the band 'Death'?''
''Death? oh, that's original...''
to which I reply:

''You're right, their first album is entitled 'Scream Bloody Gore' so they probably should of named themselves Rainbow Pony, right?''

[Stoic]

I always get **** from people when I mention the band Death. And they all say the same thing!!

''You ever heard of the band 'Death'?''
''Death? oh, that's original...''
to which I reply:

''You're right, their first album is entitled 'Scream Bloody Gore' so they probably should of named themselves Rainbow Pony, right?''

:lol:

But the name "Death" is misleading and sounds too generic in the case of such an intelligent band.

[Steerpike]

''Death? oh, that's original...''

"It's a sight better than their first band name: Waffles."
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you. You're not metal enough."
"They couldn't use a more complex name, because as avatars of the metal gods, they had to show some humility and understate it. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pick up a goat carcass for tonight's bonfire."

[A Spoonful Supreme]

Well, to start with it's an aesthetic originally coined by groups like Black Sabbath and Dio. Metal is a genre that pushes the envelope into paradigms that other music styles prefer to avoid, and in doing so it's inevitable you're going to get angry or depressed some of the time.

As for happy metal, I encourage you to check out Jason's review of A Flame to the Ground Beneath by Lost Horizon, and not just because he quoted me in it and my ego would love the extra hot air. Lost Horizon are one of the most fist-pumping, empowering, and balls-to-the-wall postive metal bands ever concieved.



When you're dealing with harsher ideas and expressions of the extreme side of spectrum in thought and emotion, you probably don't want to set it to zither music.

No no, other types of music explore those same paradigms as well, they just don't do it so bluntly and primally. You can be subtle yet equally or more potent in you're point. That's always how I thought of rock in general, a really big waste of energy if you look at it from a social perspective, you're spending all that time putting that emotion in rock song and you're not doing anything about what you're actually mad or upset about. An example of the opposite of this would be I guess eastern traditional musics, where the emphasis is spirituality and achieving a breach to your center, abolishing the ego and etc.

[Flynn]

:lol:

But the name "Death" is misleading and sounds too generic in the case of such an intelligent band.


Exactly. :thumb:



"They couldn't use a more complex name, because as avatars of the metal gods, they had to show some humility and understate it. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pick up a goat carcass for tonight's bonfire."


:lol: I love it.

[Steerpike]

No no, other types of music explore those same paradigms as well, they just don't do it so bluntly and primally. You can be subtle yet equally or more potent in you're point.

This is true. But that does not invalidate someone's approach when compared to another's.

I'm of the Paul O'Neill school of thought. The approach you take is nowhere near as important as the reaction of the listener.

That's always how I thought of rock in general, a really big waste of energy if you look at it form a social perspective, you're spending all that time putting that emotion in rock song and you're not doing anything about what you're actually mad or upset about.

What good is being upset about something if you can't express yourself in a language that everyone understands?

[Flynn]

Oh, one more thing. I live in a pretty small town, so when I show people music they've never heard before, they either like it or love it, or think it's okay. But Opeth. I've never heard so much bitching before in my life! And, it's about the same thing, no matter who I talk to (Aside from my good friends that appreciate decent music)

''Why does he scream if he can sing really well? That ruins the songs!''

To which I reply:

''It's simple, really. All of Opeth's songs were meant to have crisp, clear, clean and mellow vocals. When they record an album, somtimes they stay late, and as you may not know, Akerfeldt is part werewolf, so when a full moon is out, the animal instincts take over.''

[Stormrider]

I always get **** from people when I mention the band Death. And they all say the same thing!!

''You ever heard of the band 'Death'?''
''Death? oh, that's original...''
to which I reply:

''You're right, their first album is entitled 'Scream Bloody Gore' so they probably should of named themselves Rainbow Pony, right?''

Haha :p

Stoic has got a point though. But, in the case of Death, I don't care much for how generic or misleading the name can be.

I usually just don't talk about the music I listen to, to the people who wouldn't really enjoy it. :-/

[Josh]

most of my friends know that metal is generally not like the name of the band suggests it'll be, so i tend to describe songs when i say what i'm listening to as well.

[Stoic]

I feel kind of awkward when I'm told to name some of the bands I like. I mean, what's the point, it's 100% certain that they wont know them. :-\

[Lord Abortion]

Opeth's clean vocaled songs are much better than their harsh ones anyways...

[Stormrider]

I feel kind of awkward when I'm told to name some of the bands I like. I mean, what's the point, it's 100% certain that they wont know them. :-\

Me, it's just when someone asks me to name him some good songs so he could check that out. I don't know why, but I don't like naming stuff :-/ I realize this could come off as elitist....

Well, depends on the person. Someone who is well into metal or something like that, I'll gladly name the person some stuff.

I'm weird.

I love Opeth's growls though.

[Flynn]

Opeth's clean vocaled songs are much better than their harsh ones anyways...


^^ point proven.

[Stoic]

Well, depends on the person. Someone who is well into metal or something like that, I'll gladly name the person some stuff.

I'm weird.

Heh, when you talk to non metal people you try to mention the most popular bands but when you talk to a metaller you mention the most obscure bands you can think of! :p

[Lord Abortion]

^^ point proven.
Yeah, I know it sounds odd coming from someone as into brutal death as I am, but I prefer them.

[Stormrider]

Heh, when you talk to non metal people you try to mention the most popular bands but when you talk to a metaller you mention the most obscure bands you can think of! :p

yeah ! :p or I just name them like, 1 song or 2 for 2 bands or something.

Or in the case of my drummer friend. I try to get him into what I'm into :lol:

[Against Miik!]

You guys have to admit though, some metal does suck royally. Like Lamb of God for example. We can all admit that they are just horrible. However, I do like In Flames and Killswitch and Slayer and Pantera...basically anything that has a groove. Especially Pantera for that reason. Some is just bad though. Like Lamb Of God.

[Shattered_Future]

Almost every American band sucks royally. No originality.

[Stoic]

There are bad and good bands in every genre. Of course what is bad and what is good is subjective.

[Shattered_Future]

That's very true, but the general consensus around here seems to be the majority of American metal bands suck complete balls. Which is a shame, as it brings down the actual good bands in the genre.

[Shadows Within]

That's very true, but the general consensus around here seems to be the majority of American metal bands suck complete balls. Which is a shame, as it brings down the actual good bands in the genre.
theres good metalcore bands? KSE, all that remains and trivium would be the only ones i can think of.

[Steerpike]

Oh, one more thing. I live in a pretty small town, so when I show people music they've never heard before, they either like it or love it, or think it's okay. But Opeth. I've never heard so much bitching before in my life! And, it's about the same thing, no matter who I talk to (Aside from my good friends that appreciate decent music)

''Why does he scream if he can sing really well? That ruins the songs!''

To which I reply:

''It's simple, really. All of Opeth's songs were meant to have crisp, clear, clean and mellow vocals. When they record an album, somtimes they stay late, and as you may not know, Akerfeldt is part werewolf, so when a full moon is out, the animal instincts take over.''

Perfect. Simply perfect.

You guys have to admit though, some metal does suck royally. Like Lamb of God for example. We can all admit that they are just horrible. However, I do like In Flames and Killswitch and Slayer and Pantera...basically anything that has a groove. Especially Pantera for that reason. Some is just bad though. Like Lamb Of God.

There's a lot of really bad metal bands. There are also lots of bad rock bands, crappy jazz bands, piss-poor ska bands... You get the idea. To get the knowledge I have about metal, I've had to go through some real sucky bands to get to the good stuff.

[Moses]

theres good metalcore bands? KSE, all that remains and trivium would be the only ones i can think of.
Shut the **** up.

I'm sick of people calling KSE and bands like that metalcore. Just shut the **** up, all of you!!!


.......................

Which is what I would say to this comment.

[Deth]

A good punch in the face is pretty effective.

[Stoic]

No, not the metalcore convo again :upset:


There are not unquestionably good or bad bands. No matter how much you think a band sucks, this band exists for a reason: other people like it.

[Moses]

No, not the metalcore convo again :upset:
Yeah, I'm not about to turn this thread into ****.

[slaughteredfirst]

Them: Dude, all your music is noise!
Me:So then you listen to silence?

[Stoic]

"You a satanist?!"
"I love God but Satan has a better soundtrack \m/"
:evil:

[Deth]

That's only effective if you show the horns at the end of the sentence.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

This is true. But that does not invalidate someone's approach when compared to another's.

I'm of the Paul O'Neill school of thought. The approach you take is nowhere near as important as the reaction of the listener.



What good is being upset about something if you can't express yourself in a language that everyone understands?

Metal does not connect nearly as well as subtler forms of music with the same message, it only serves to alienate itself from the majority that doesnt prefer to hear such primitive emotions through music. And all the while you have metalheads who wonder why they're shunned and looked down upon. But I'm not going to say that metal and heavy music isnt necessary because it is, society needs it and some people need it. I like the movie Fight Club and thats a physical recreation of metal mentality, but I'm not going to live it like some people do, thats when it gets pretty lame.

[Deth]

The sense of community in metal is as strong or stronger than any other form of music, so I can't see how it's negative. It draws people together in a way other forms of entertainment can't.

[slaughteredfirst]

Metal does not connect nearly as well as subtler forms of music with the same message, it only serves to alienate itself from the majority that doesnt prefer to hear such primitive emotions through music. And all the while you have metalheads who wonder why they're shunned and looked down upon. But I'm not going to say that metal and heavy music isnt necessary because it is, society needs it and some people need it. I like the movie Fight Club and thats a physical recreation of metal mentality, but I'm not going to live it like some people do.


What metal bands have you heard.....many of them arnt exactly primitive feelings.


Your looking at gore metal which is very primative but most people only listen to it for a good laugh, or at least thats why I do.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

The sense of community in metal is as strong or stronger than any other form of music, so I can't see how it's negative. It draws people together in a way other forms of entertainment can't.

Because of course they come together to spread love.

[Deth]

It's a positive community. Maybe you've never been to a metal show where there is an undeniable sense of brotherhood, but it exists whether you think it does or not.

[Lord Abortion]

It's a positive community. Maybe you've never been to a metal show where there is an undeniable sense of brotherhood, but it exists whether you think it does or not.
This is very true.

You feel it at Metal festivals, you stop and talk to people you don't know. You go drinking with random people, at gigs you get talking to random folks...it's brilliant.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

It's a positive community. Maybe you've never been to a metal show where there is an undeniable sense of brotherhood, but it exists whether you think it does or not.

An.... exclusive, brotherhood would you say? Because I've encountered these gathering where if you weren't one of them you didn't have human value.

[Mazeppa]

Because of course they come together to spread love.
I've been to classical concerts, and I didn't get the impression people were there to spread love either you know. Still, incredible concerts.

[Deth]

You were probably approaching them with the same attitude you're displaying now.

[Stoic]

It's inaccurate to claim that metal expresses primitive feelings and/or it's exclusively angry music. Metal covers a much wider range of feelings and attitudes, this is why sub-genres exist.

[Steerpike]

Metal does not connect nearly as well as subtler forms of music with the same message, it only serves to alienate itself from the majority that doesnt prefer to hear such primitive emotions through music.

But what good is knowing about these extremes if no one expresses them in an artistic fashion rather than a destructive one?

Metal is not for everyone. Similarly, a lot of people think jazz is an impenetrable cultural elite of heavy music theory and snobby intllectualism. That doesn't make it true, nor does it invalidate the approach jazz artists take.

Because of course they come together to spread love.

There are some destructive metalheads. No one's denying that. But the metal community at large is a very positive group of people, and many of them have strong senses of loyalty. They watch out for one another, because no one outside of their counterculture will.

Even a band like Manowar, who have based their careers on being the barbarian warriors of True Metal, preach brotherhood and loyalty to their fans and to have the courage to stand up for one's self.

An.... exclusive, brotherhood would you say? Because I've encountered these gathering where if you weren't one of them you didn't have human value.

That's probably because you approached them clearly communicating disapproval. Not a good way to win people over. If you show us tolerance and a little civility, we won't give you any problems.

[metallicaman8]

Steerpike speaks for us all. *puts hand on the shoulder of his brother, while making angst face at spoonful supreme*

[ghettoeddo]

such a smart man.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

Fair enough, truce.

[Shadows Within]

Metal is not for everyone. Similarly, a lot of people think jazz is an impenetrable cultural elite of heavy music theory and snobby intllectualism. That doesn't make it true, nor does it invalidate the approach jazz artists take.
mabye not all but most jazz p[eople i've met on here are complete ****ing assholes (Eggo)

[Steerpike]

mabye not all but most jazz p[eople i've met on here are complete ****ing spatulas (Eggo)

Let's not pick at that old wound, okay?

Back on topic, is anybody here a bassist? I'm sure you guys have plenty of stories.

[ghettoeddo]

wow spatulas? that's a new one.

[metallicaman8]

I used to play bass, switched over to guitar about a year ago.

[Shadows Within]

wow spatulas? that's a new one.
it was supposed to be assholes

[metallicaman8]

I can't wait for Steerpike to yell at you^.

Edit: never mind I thought you were referring to all of us as assholes, instead of merely saying that's what you ment to say.

[Stoic]

good ol' swear filter! :p

As for the bass, it's shocking how such a great amount of people doesnt know what it is...

[superpeer]

I hate it when people use such phrases and I also hate it that everyone thinks I only listen to Death and Black Metal, whilst I listen to tons more, but they just like to keep generalising me saying I only listen to noise, lately I haven't even listened to that much extreme metal, yet they keep saying it. :mad:

Anyways, as much as I hate that, I must say that I've grown a bit sick of the metal 'scene'. I discover more and more annoying things in a lot of 'metalheads'. A lot of them listen to anything that is loud and 'heavy' and usually that's all they listen to and everything else they put down.

I've grown tired of all of the metalheads trying to be tough, wearing spikes and Dimmu Borgir shirts, not realising that they're wearing spikes and Dimmu Borgir shirts. (I don't dislike DB, for the record, it's just so fashionable to wear). They're always acting tough, only caring about getting really drunk (on beer) and then fight or start a random pit somewhere.

Most of them don't know anything about metal either and they're just buying random shirts and couldn't tell one metal band from another.

More and more I see 'metalheads' supporting racism.

Etc.

This is why I have stopped visiting metal pubs (also because they mostly play bad metal) and have retreated to a blues/ rock 'n roll/ ... pub, where people are a lot nicer.

I haven't stopped listening, though. But a bit less than before.

/rant

[ghettoeddo]

how do you NOT know what a bass is...? even if it is completely overshadowed in bands these days.

haha these swear filters are funny.
isnt another one something like sea lions?

[Lord Abortion]

good ol' swear filter! :p

As for the bass, it's shocking how such a great amount of people doesnt know what it is...
Including bassists.

[Stoic]

:lol: damn you Ollie!


Well Jelle this is the bad side of the things. This kind of "metallers" really gives a bad name to the genre and there are lots of them :-\

[Steerpike]

I haven't stopped listening, though. But a bit less than before.

/rant

It is unfortunate, but the sad fact is that no matter where you go and who you are, you'll always find someone coming into your pub and taking a piss in your beer.

Although not the original purpose of the thread, we can all come here and comisserate on the pitfalls of metal-dom and then have a good laugh about it.

[metallicaman8]

I hate it when people use such phrases and I also hate it that everyone thinks I only listen to Death and Black Metal, whilst I listen to tons more, but they just like to keep generalising me saying I only listen to noise, lately I haven't even listened to that much extreme metal, yet they keep saying it. :mad:

Anyways, as much as I hate that, I must say that I've grown a bit sick of the metal 'scene'. I discover more and more annoying things in a lot of 'metalheads'. A lot of them listen to anything that is loud and 'heavy' and usually that's all they listen to and everything else they put down.

I've grown tired of all of the metalheads trying to be tough, wearing spikes and Dimmu Borgir shirts, not realising that they're wearing spikes and Dimmu Borgir shirts. (I don't dislike DB, for the record, it's just so fashionable to wear). They're always acting tough, only caring about getting really drunk (on beer) and then fight or start a random pit somewhere.

Most of them don't know anything about metal either and they're just buying random shirts and couldn't tell one metal band from another.

More and more I see 'metalheads' supporting racism.

Etc.

This is why I have stopped visiting metal pubs (also because they mostly play bad metal) and have retreated to a blues/ rock 'n roll/ ... pub, where people are a lot nicer.

I haven't stopped listening, though. But a bit less than before.

/rant

Hmm.....I've never met any metalheads quite as bad as you describe. Some are assholes, yes. But I've never seen any supposrting racism or anything like that

[A Spoonful Supreme]

I hate it when people use such phrases and I also hate it that everyone thinks I only listen to Death and Black Metal, whilst I listen to tons more, but they just like to keep generalising me saying I only listen to noise, lately I haven't even listened to that much extreme metal, yet they keep saying it. :mad:

Anyways, as much as I hate that, I must say that I've grown a bit sick of the metal 'scene'. I discover more and more annoying things in a lot of 'metalheads'. A lot of them listen to anything that is loud and 'heavy' and usually that's all they listen to and everything else they put down.

I've grown tired of all of the metalheads trying to be tough, wearing spikes and Dimmu Borgir shirts, not realising that they're wearing spikes and Dimmu Borgir shirts. (I don't dislike DB, for the record, it's just so fashionable to wear). They're always acting tough, only caring about getting really drunk (on beer) and then fight or start a random pit somewhere.

Most of them don't know anything about metal either and they're just buying random shirts and couldn't tell one metal band from another.

More and more I see 'metalheads' supporting racism.

Etc.

This is why I have stopped visiting metal pubs (also because they mostly play bad metal) and have retreated to a blues/ rock 'n roll/ ... pub, where people are a lot nicer.

I haven't stopped listening, though. But a bit less than before.

/rant

Interesting, I don't have a problem with metal I suppose, just those dudes you speak of really turn me off, they're attracted to the wrong things whereas a select few really understand metal and wield it as a weapon for reformation of ideas or etc.

[Six Foot Revolver]

mabye not all but most jazz p[eople i've met on here are complete ****ing spatulas (Eggo)
Who the **** are Jazz people?

[Stoic]

Guy in the Nile forum
-I already know how to play death metal-style guitar, it's not that hard once you learn to master tremolo picking. It'll be slow at first, but once it starts feeling natural, you be picking about as fast as Karl Sanders before you know it. As far as the slow doomsy riffs, those so easy that anyone can play them the first time they pick up a guitar.
Karl Sanders
-Gosh, you make it sound so easy I begin to wonder why on earth I bothered practicing the last 30 years

:p

[Stormrider]

Most of them don't know anything about metal

Oh, so very true. This is where most of the 'metalheads' from my grade come in.

Also, I realize this is just taking one sentence out of your whole post...but meh.

Haha Stoic ! my brother told me about that post :p

[Steerpike]

Hmm.....I've never met any metalheads quite as bad as you describe. Some are assholes, yes. But I've never seen any supposrting racism or anything like that

Thankfully, they're still a minority in the metal community at large. From what I understand, they're largely based in the National Socialist Black Metal movement. But those people are either dumber than a box of hair, or completely ape **** crazy. So it's not too much of a surprise.

[Moses]

I haven't met any metalheads that are racist, actually metalheads are more to the left I'd say. Anyway, the ones that are racist are like Steerpike said, part of the National Socialist Black Metal movement.
http://www.metalheadsagainstracism.org/

Of course we had that whole thing with that I'm Charming asshole.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

I haven't met any metalheads that are racist, actually metalheads are more to the left I'd say. Anyway, the ones that are racist are like Steerpike said, part of the National Socialist Black Metal movement.
http://www.metalheadsagainstracism.org/

Of course we had that whole thing with that I'm Charming asshole.

Guys seen American History X???

[superpeer]

Guys seen American History X???

That was punk. There are a lot of punk racists too.


Actually, in the pub I used to go to, they held a meeting for an extreme right wing youth club. That's pretty much when I stopped going.

That guy that bought a shotgun and started hunting immigrants in my city a while ago was a metalhead. Coincidence, maybe, though.

Also, I don't think I've ever met a 'left' metalhead, they're all pretty conservative to the point of being racist, as I said.

/hijack'd

NP: RADIOHEAD [soft music]

[Toaster]

Guy in the Nile forum
-I already know how to play death metal-style guitar, it's not that hard once you learn to master tremolo picking. It'll be slow at first, but once it starts feeling natural, you be picking about as fast as Karl Sanders before you know it. As far as the slow doomsy riffs, those so easy that anyone can play them the first time they pick up a guitar.
Karl Sanders
-Gosh, you make it sound so easy I begin to wonder why on earth I bothered practicing the last 30 years

:p

Haha, yeah I read that one awhile ago.

Moses, what happened with I'm Charming? I haven't seen him around lately.

[Moses]

That was punk. There are a lot of punk racists too.


Actually, in the pub I used to go to, they held a meeting for an extreme right wing youth club. That's pretty much when I stopped going.

That guy that bought a shotgun and started hunting immigrants in my city a while ago was a metalhead. Coincidence, maybe, though.

Also, I don't think I've ever met a 'left' metalhead, they're all pretty conservative to the point of being racist, as I said.

/hijack'd

NP: RADIOHEAD [soft music]
Jeeze, where do you know these metalheads from. Almost all of the metalheads I hang out with are pretty much big liberals or moderate conservatives...
Moses, what happened with I'm Charming? I haven't seen him around lately.
He got perm-banned for posting serious jew jokes and openly stating that he was a neo-Nazi and disrupting threads with racist jokes about jews.

[Against Miik!]

There's a lot of really bad metal bands. There are also lots of bad rock bands, crappy jazz bands, piss-poor ska bands... You get the idea. To get the knowledge I have about metal, I've had to go through some real sucky bands to get to the good stuff.

O believe me, I completely understand that. I'm just saying, this whole thread is pointless, because metalheads are just as guilty of putting down others music as well. And not all there music is that good.

[Shadows Within]

Who the **** are Jazz people?
Should have said Elitest.

[Steerpike]

O believe me, I completely understand that. I'm just saying, this whole thread is pointless, because metalheads are just as guilty of putting down others music as well. And not all there music is that good.

The point of the thread isn't to put down others' music. Nor is it to pretend that ours is the greatest music on earth.

The point is to relate some horror stories we've had with ignorant and close-minded people and have a good laugh about it and share some ideas for jokes we can make to turn an otherwise frustrating and irritating experience in the future into something funny.

All I wanted to do in this thread was provide a veritable pub where those of us who know not to take ourselves too seriously can swap stories and jokes and hone our wit at the same time.

[ghettoeddo]

That was punk. There are a lot of punk racists too.


Actually, in the pub I used to go to, they held a meeting for an extreme right wing youth club. That's pretty much when I stopped going.

That guy that bought a shotgun and started hunting immigrants in my city a while ago was a metalhead. Coincidence, maybe, though.

Also, I don't think I've ever met a 'left' metalhead, they're all pretty conservative to the point of being racist, as I said.

/hijack'd

NP: RADIOHEAD [soft music]

i lean left politically and i listen to metal more than anything else :shrug:

[Shadows Within]

i lean left politically and i listen to metal more than anything else :shrug:
As do I

[Lord Abortion]

Political compass puts me at left wing authoritarian.
That means I'm not an idiot.

[Toaster]

He got perm-banned for posting serious jew jokes and openly stating that he was a neo-Nazi and disrupting threads with racist jokes about jews.

No big loss there.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I'm not really in to politics (I know I suck) but Political compass said I was a left winged liberal I think.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Jeeze, where do you know these metalheads from. Almost all of the metalheads I hang out with are pretty much big liberals or moderate conservatives...


Same here. Thinking liberally goes more hand-in-hand with the lifestyle...:shrug:

[superpeer]

Well, anyways, I probably would've moved my regularity to the blues/rock 'n roll pub anyway, because I don't find metal very suitable as pub background music, when I compare them.

Besides, you can't really compare mxers to every day people, most of us are musicians (which does give us that special something) and we're all a bit nerdy too, using a lot of internet and all.

[Daven]

"The singer sounds like a dying dog" I get this phrase every now and then.

[Deathhound666]

Normal: Death Metal shouldn't be a genre of music, all it is is noise. It's not music at all.

Cool Dude: So that means that African Americans aren't people?


Also...

Normal: The singer sounds like he's choking on something.

Me: So did your mom last night.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

[Shadows Within]

"The singer sounds like a dying dog" I get this phrase every now and then.
my friend dad replaces "A dying" with ****, and we replied with yeah but to play guitar and do the vocals at the same time is pretty hard then he said "well i can probally play guitar and take a **** at the same time too"

[Steerpike]

Besides, you can't really compare mxers to every day people, most of us are musicians (which does give us that special something) and we're all a bit nerdy too, using a lot of internet and all.

Perhaps. But nevertheless, we are a shining example (in general) of the best the metal community has to offer.

"The singer sounds like a dying dog" I get this phrase every now and then.

To borrow a concept from Flynn, a good response would be, "Well, when you're a lycanthrope you're going to get that."

my friend dad replaces "A dying" with ****, and we replied with yeah but to play guitar and do the vocals at the same time is pretty hard then he said "well i can probally play guitar and take a **** at the same time too"

A better reply would have been, "Well, that's because he's not singing. He's farting. Don't you see how metal that is?"

[superpeer]

Perhaps. But nevertheless, we are a shining example (in general) of the best the metal community has to offer.


Most likely. Everyone else is outside.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Well, anyways, I probably would've moved my regularity to the blues/rock 'n roll pub anyway, because I don't find metal very suitable as pub background music, when I compare them.

Besides, you can't really compare mxers to every day people, most of us are musicians (which does give us that special something) and we're all a bit nerdy too, using a lot of internet and all.

I was just thinking about this. I think that the overlap between musicians and metalheads is extremely for me and what I've seen (on mx of course, and also in the real world) and as R and/or M musicians, they tend to be very liberal. I'd think that metal heads would be more conservative, and this would probably be revealed at a 'metal bar.' However, in my expiriences, metalheads are more liberal. :shrug:

[superpeer]

Well, actually, anyone who is a walking musical genre is bound to be a bit annoying, in my experience. The best metalheads are usually the ones that don't look like metalheads, long hair at most.


1 Pixies 28
2 Therapy? 21
3 Darkthrone 13
4 Nirvana 11
5 Hüsker Dü 10
6 Weezer 9
6 Ludwig van Beethoven 9
6 The Offspring 9
6 Bad Religion 9
10 DJ Shadow 8

^See, only one metal band in the top 10 for the charts of last week.


Steerpike, I'm sorry I turned your support thread into a bit of a bash thread. HAIL TRUE METAL or something. :)

[Shadows Within]

I was just thinking about this. I think that the overlap between musicians and metalheads is extremely for me and what I've seen (on mx of course, and also in the real world) and as R and/or M musicians, they tend to be very liberal. I'd think that metal heads would be more conservative, and this would probably be revealed at a 'metal bar.' However, in my expiriences, metalheads are more liberal. :shrug:
Alot of the kids say there liberal but when i ask them why they always say "because i hate bush" and i say "and?" then they say "thats why im liberal" :rolleyes:

[gillygan]

I hate it when people say "Rap isn't music, it's just talking."

Well, actually, anyone who is a walking musical genre is bound to be a bit annoying, in my experience. The best metalheads are usually the ones that don't look like metalheads, long hair at most.

Agreed.

/is metalhead #2

[Stormrider]

Well, actually, anyone who is a walking musical genre is bound to be a bit annoying, in my experience. The best metalheads are usually the ones that don't look like metalheads, long hair at most.

I like my band shirts though :p

That and my long hair is the only way someone would recognize me as a metalhead. I don't wear any studs, or big *** spikes or anything. I don't only wear band shirts though.

[Shadows Within]

I hate it when people say "Rap isn't music, it's just talking."



Agreed.

/is metalhead #2
they must mean all the mainstream crap

I like my band shirts though :p

That and my long hair is the only way someone would recognize me as a metalhead. I don't wearwould any studs, or big *** spikes or anything. I don't only wear band shirts though.
all i do is wear band shirts and jeans no piercings etc. i don't even have long hair but thats because it would turn into a phro...

[Dave de Sylvia]

they must mean all the mainstream crap
underground's the way to go

[Shadows Within]

underground's the way to go
im personally old skool sugar hill gang, DMC etc.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Alot of the kids say there liberal but when i ask them why they always say "because i hate bush" and i say "and?" then they say "thats why im liberal" :rolleyes:

Yeah. Those kids suck. I remember sitting in my American Government class, and we were talking about the whole immigration issue and how the House voted to make it a felony to be an alien and all...Some stupid girl was like "Was it Bush that made that? I bet it was, I hate him, ughghghghghhhh."

My teacher then replied with the most intelligent thing I'd ever heard. "Some people know what they're talking about. Some people try." Then he looked at her. I felt triumph like never before.

Oh, and she didn't listen to metal, so she was double stupid.*






*relevancy clause

[superpeer]

I like my band shirts though :p

That and my long hair is the only way someone would recognize me as a metalhead. I don't wear any studs, or big *** spikes or anything. I don't only wear band shirts though.

Yeah, better than those people who only seem to have one Iron Maiden shirt and wear it every day.

[Shadows Within]

Yeah. Those kids suck. I remember sitting in my American Government class, and we were talking about the whole immigration issue and how the House voted to make it a felony to be an alien and all...Some stupid girl was like "Was it Bush that made that? I bet it was, I hate him, ughghghghghhhh."

My teacher then replied with the most intelligent thing I'd ever heard. "Some people know what they're talking about. Some people try." Then he looked at her. I felt triumph like never before.

Oh, and she didn't listen to metal, so she was double stupid.*




*relevancy clauseMan your teacher and shattered's are kick *** teachers.

[Stormrider]

Yeah, better than those people who only seem to have one Iron Maiden shirt and wear it every day.

:p

Funny you mention that. It's actually true in my grade. Saying everyday is exagerating but......Either that, or Slipknot shirts is what every 'metalhead' in my grade seems to have...

Theres about 4 people in my grade who can name more then 10 bands...I'm ready to say that doesn't only apply to my grade in school. 10 is probably even pushing it for certain people.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Do you guys have any of those pseudo(sp?)-goths who wear Slipknot and Korn shirts on alternating days? The ones that don't bathe?

[Daven]

To borrow a concept from Flynn, a good response would be, "Well, when you're a lycanthrope you're going to get that."

That's not a bad reply at all.

[Shattered_Future]

I think my school contains...4, possibly 5 actual metalheads. All of whom I've influenced one way or another. :p

I think the most spikey thing I wear is my studded belt, which I want to get rid of, since it's falling apart. Damn Hot Topic pleather.

Oh, and my Opeth watch with massive metal stuff on it. Only reason I wear that is because I don't have another watch band or another watch. It's damn uncomfortable...I realized it's damn uncomfortable to be goth. :p

[Shadows Within]

Do you guys have any of those pseudo(sp?)-goths who wear Slipknot and Korn shirts on alternating days? The ones that don't bathe?
Theres that ALWAYS wore the same slipknot shirt. i bet if i asked how would say "there differnt shirts just look the same"

he got out of that habbit quickly.

I think my school contains...4, possibly 5 actual metalheads. All of whom I've influenced one way or another. :p same at mine.

[Daven]

There are like 5 metalheads in my school, they all listen to power metal stuff. Besdies one who likes Folk/viking...

[Steerpike]

Do you guys have any of those pseudo(sp?)-goths who wear Slipknot and Korn shirts on alternating days? The ones that don't bathe?

Several. Sadly.

I think my school contains...4, possibly 5 actual metalheads. All of whom I've influenced one way or another. :p

I think the most spikey thing I wear is my studded belt, which I want to get rid of, since it's falling apart. Damn Hot Topic pleather.

Oh, and my Opeth watch with massive metal stuff on it. Only reason I wear that is because I don't have another watch band or another watch. It's damn uncomfortable...I realized it's damn uncomfortable to be goth. :p

I'm inclined to just learn how to make my own stuff. Probably be cheaper and more durable. I'm having my grandmother teach me some tailoring skills this summer.

[Stormrider]

I think my school contains...4, possibly 5 actual metalheads. All of whom I've influenced one way or another. :p

Haha...same here. There's not many actual metalheads in my school.

I'll be honest, I can't say I don't enjoy walking around with my band shirts and long hair. :p

[Shattered_Future]

Several. Sadly.



I'm inclined to just learn how to make my own stuff. Probably be cheaper and more durable. I'm having my grandmother teach me some tailoring skills this summer.

I remember at one point I wanted to put actual nails into a wristband...:lol:

I rather love walking around in shirts that make people stare at you funny.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I have shortish hair. I wear American Eagle.

/nawt metal

[Daven]

I have short hair, wear lots of soccer jerseys.

[Stormrider]

Most people who had long hair ended up cutting them...so I'm one of those ones with the longest hair :cool:

It still not done growing.

[Shattered_Future]

I win. I have a fro. :cool:

[Shadows Within]

I win. I have a fro. :cool:
dito...although i want long hair :upset:

[Shattered_Future]

If mine gets wet, it gets mad long. Other than that, it's permenant froness.

[superpeer]

I remember at one point I wanted to put actual nails into a wristband...:lol:

I rather love walking around in shirts that make people stare at you funny.

Like Nightwish shirts? :p

[Amit]

Who the **** are Jazz people?

Hahah.

We're the ones all the metal elitists have nightmares about :-O

[Shadows Within]

If mine gets wet, it gets mad long. Other than that, it's permenant froness.
mine just gets frizzy and goes all over the ****in place

Like Nightwish shirts? :p
either that or stream of passion shirts.

[Steerpike]

I remember at one point I wanted to put actual nails into a wristband...:lol:

Then you could play in a black metal band.

I rather love walking around in shirts that make people stare at you funny.

I love my Manowar Tshirt for that reason.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen the book "Paint It Black"?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Hahah.

We're the ones all the metal elitists have nightmares about :-O
No, that's the Jews.

[Shadows Within]

I have different band shirts then mostly everyone in my school. So I stand out :p
No one know who the **** is on my shirt. if its anything outside of the mainstream they won't know.

[Stormrider]

No one know who the **** is on my shirt. if its anything outside of the mainstream they won't know.

Crap, I deleted my post :p

NP Iced Earth - Burning Times live

[Amit]

No, that's the Jews.

Haha.

That too :upset:

[TEST]

I have shortish hair. I wear American Eagle.

/nawt metal

I have the shortest hair of us all. + I'd never wear that prep crap. You're just free advertising and a clone of anyone else there.

My uber short hair (http://i6.tinypic.com/11qpbvt.jpg)

Ps: don't mind the poster in the back. I hate Korn, just to lazy to remove it.

[superpeer]

Ugh, I'd stare too, just because of the sheer ugliness of Nightwish, Blind Guardian, Manowar, Iron Maiden, ... shirts. They're horrible, I like the modest shirts, with just the name and/or logo of the band. Or at least something that is not so bombastically hideous. :p


I have the shortest hair of us all. + I'd never wear that prep crap. You're just free advertising and a clone of anyone else there.

My uber short hair

Ps: don't mind the poster in the back. I hate Korn, just to lazy to remove it.

You're charming.

[Stormrider]

Ugh, I'd stare too, just because of the sheer ugliness of Nightwish, Blind Guardian, Manowar, Iron Maiden, ... shirts. They're horrible, I like the modest shirts, with just the name and/or logo of the band. Or at least something that is not so bombastically hideous. :p

Man, you're not on my good list lately :lol:

I have a Blind Guardian shirt. And it rules.

[Shadows Within]

Ugh, I'd stare too, just because of the sheer ugliness of Nightwish, Blind Guardian, Manowar, Iron Maiden, ... shirts. They're horrible, I like the modest shirts, with just the name and/or logo of the band. Or at least something that is not so bombastically hideous. :p




You're charming.
Yeah my fav shirt is my nevermore gigantour shirt that just has the pentagram thing inth front with the NM in the middle then the tour dates on the back.

[Amit]

My uber short hair (http://i6.tinypic.com/11qpbvt.jpg)

Ps: don't mind the poster in the back. I hate Korn, just to lazy to remove it.

I love it when people say this.

[TEST]

I love it when people say this.
I seriously do hate them. It's rather high up on the wall and I barely spend any time in my room anyways.

Greetings to Eggo's new name btw

[Steerpike]

Ugh, I'd stare too, just because of the sheer ugliness of Nightwish, Blind Guardian, Manowar, Iron Maiden, ... shirts. They're horrible, I like the modest shirts, with just the name and/or logo of the band. Or at least something that is not so bombastically hideous. :p

You should see the looks on the old people's faces, though. That reminds me...

Driving home from dinner tonight, I had one hand out the window of the car holding onto the door frame. Suddenly, these old ladies drive up beside us, roll their windows down, and start yelling at me. I furrow my brows and send them this withering scowl. They're more concerned over what I'm doing with my hands than the road in front of them.

I flipped them all off and they looked like they were about to keel over.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I have the shortest hair of us all. + I'd never wear that prep crap. You're just free advertising and a clone of anyone else there.

My uber short hair (http://i6.tinypic.com/11qpbvt.jpg)

Ps: don't mind the poster in the back. I hate Korn, just to lazy to remove it.

You should take that down. Wouldn't want to be a clone or promote Korn or anything.

And just for the record, I only own like 2 American Eagle shirts. The rest are mostly skateboard brand clothes or from Old Navy.

[TEST]

You should take that down. Wouldn't want to be a clone or promote Korn or anything.

And just for the record, I only own like 2 American Eagle shirts. The rest are mostly skateboard brand clothes or from Old Navy.

Ahh. Alright.

I was more so talking about the people that ONLY wear, Abercrombie, Hollister, AE, Old Navy and such. Who carry the " I have style and this makes me a better person attitude with them"

[superpeer]

You should see the looks on the old people's faces, though. That reminds me...

Driving home from dinner tonight, I had one hand out the window of the car holding onto the door frame. Suddenly, these old ladies drive up beside us, roll their windows down, and start yelling at me. I furrow my brows and send them this withering scowl. They're more concerned over what I'm doing with my hands than the road in front of them.

I flipped them all off and they looked like they were about to keel over.

Old people complain about everything. By the way, old metalheads look weird.

[Riva]

Old people complain constantly, also. I know this from working in a supermarket a 5 minute stroll from a Nursing Home.

[Shattered_Future]

Then you could play in a black metal band.



I love my Manowar Tshirt for that reason.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen the book "Paint It Black"?

I have now...

Oh man, classic line...

"Transform your plain sketchbook into a skull-covered Book of the Dead that would make Lovecraft proud."

What. The. ****. :amaze:

All you need is black spray paint...man, who's worse, the writer or the buyer?

And Superpeer, I'm watching you. :mad:

[Steerpike]

I have now...

Oh man, classic line...

"Transform your plain sketchbook into a skull-covered Book of the Dead that would make Lovecraft proud."

What. The. ****. :amaze:

All you need is black spray paint...man, who's worse, the writer or the buyer?

Actually, I own that book. For a novice in the DIY world, it was really very helpful. And it explained things to me in a manner that stuck much better than any one of the more "professional" guides you'd find in any given B&N.

So now I'm taking up various arts and crafts as hobbies so I can stop looking high and low for other to provide me with cool stuff and just make it myself.

[Concubine]

Ha, i like metal to some extent, although i don't have any specific favourite music genre. I definately don't look like a metalhead. I don't wear band t-shirt, because i couldn't afford to buy it. And i'm Asian (lol). I find it difficult to approach a metalhead, talk to them about music or whatever.It's probably because i don't look like one. Umm, anybody has the same problem?

[randomthought9]

Ahh. Alright.

I was more so talking about the people that ONLY wear, Abercrombie, Hollister, AE, Old Navy and such. Who carry the " I have style and this makes me a better person attitude with them"

Hey man, pretty much all my clothes are from there, who says I can't like metal, and be good looking at the same time? :thumb:

But now I don't look like that as much, I haven't cut my hair since like last summer, and I don't really wear my Abercrombie clothes anymore. \m/

[Moses]

Ha, i like metal to some extent, although i don't have any specific favourite music genre. I definately don't look like a metalhead. I don't wear band t-shirt, because i couldn't afford to buy it. And i'm Asian (lol). I find it difficult to approach a metalhead, talk to them about music or whatever.It's probably because i don't look like one. Umm, anybody has the same problem?
Not at all. I wear clothes from Express and modelish stuff like that but metalheads usually give me weird looks when I mention all these bands they've never heard of.

It's just a taste in clothes. If I think somthing looks good I'll buy it. I bought a Behemoth shirt and then I bought a button up shirt at Express.

Lots of chicks think it's hott when you wear a button-up under a t-shirt btw.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Chicks dig Blue Steel (http://spiralbound.net/content/images/zoolander.jpg), too.

[Amit]

Haha, I think it is so damned dumb to assume anything about a person's aesthetic taste from what they wear or the way they do their hair. You might as well generalize by ethnicity :-\

[Dave de Sylvia]

Haha, I think it is so damned dumb to assume anything about a person's aesthetic taste from what they wear or the way they do their hair. You might as well generalize by ethnicity :-\
No, I think the way I dress is an extension of my character.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

And that would be racism, so would it be safe to call someone who judges someone else by their clothing style a 'stylist?' :lol:

/Confucious

[Moses]

Ah, Jake. You have all knowledge.

[Amit]

No, I think the way I dress is an extension of my character.

Haha :-P

It's a foolish reductionist fallacy.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Haha :-P

It's a foolish reductionist fallacy.
I know I've heard all those words before, but I'm not sure what they mean put together.

[Amit]

I know I've heard all those words before, but I'm not sure what they mean put together.

Go listen to some jazz or classical :mad:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Clothes have nothing to do with my personality at all. It would be impossible to match my personality with clothes anyhow, I think.

I do have a Mountain Dew T shirt that I cherish, though. Skateboarding in that makes me feel so 1337 for some reason.

[Steerpike]

Haha, I think it is so damned dumb to assume anything about a person's aesthetic taste from what they wear or the way they do their hair. You might as well generalize by ethnicity :-\

Not necessarily. So long as you don't make to broad a generalization, you can make a couple of guesses.

For example, I tend to wear pendants and earrings that have symbols such as gargoyles, Elder Signs, dragons, snakes, etc. If someone assumed I was into "spooky stuff" based on those things, they'd be right.

[Amit]

Not necessarily. So long as you don't make to broad a generalization, you can make a couple of guesses.

For example, I tend to wear pendants and earrings that have symbols such as gargoyles, Elder Signs, dragons, snakes, etc. If someone assumed I was into "spooky stuff" based on those things, they'd be right.

But what generalizations can you make about someone who dresses stylishly but not flamboyantly so (like myself :-D)?

It's far easier to make generalizations about the extremes of a spectrum than the middle.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Either way, judging people never gets much done.

[Steerpike]

But what generalizations can you make about someone who dresses stylishly but not flamboyantly so (like myself :-D)?

That you have a better fashionsense than me?

[Amit]

That you have a better fashionsense than me?

I'm talking about music-wise :-P

Either way, judging people never gets much done.

Yep!