100 Greatest Drummers: Your Top 10 Results

[PinkFreud]

Ok. Poll's all done and the results are in. Here is MXForums/Sputnik Music's R&M Top 10 Greatest Rock and Metal Drummers.

1. Danny Carey - Tool
2. Neil Peart - Rush
3. Mike Portnoy - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment, O.S.I.
4. Keith Moon - The Who
5. Sean Reinert - Death, Cynic, Gordian Knot
6. John Bonham - Led Zeppelin
7/8. Terry Bozzio - Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck, others
8/7. Martin Lopez - Opeth
9/10. Ginger Baker - Cream, Blind Faith
10/9. Bill Bruford - Yes, King Crimson, Gordian Knot

There they are. 7 & 8 tied as did 9 & 10.

Results Of Round 1 (http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=465548&highlight=Greatest+Drummers)

Nomination Results (http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455097&highlight=Greatest+Drummers)

[The Door Mouse]

i happy with peart in second but i still think he should have won

[Huber]

Order aside, that's a great list if you ask me.

[Bfhurricane]

Good results, I assume this is the point where everyone complains about the results but I have none :thumb:

[Crysiss]

Ive got no complaints also.

[sjada]

Bonzo in 6? Sorry for ruining the not complaining streak.

[Bfhurricane]

^should he be up or down?

[PinkFreud]

I'm glad someone broke it before I did.

I wouldn't have Lopez or Portnoy in the top 10 and would move Bruford, Moon, Baker, and Bonham up. Peart should probably be first. But whatever. 'Tis done, finally.

[Jawaharal]

Peart didn't win? =(

[Shattered_Future]

I don't think Carrey should be first, but that's a good list, notwithstanding order.

[ghettoeddo]

Order aside, that's a great list if you ask me.

spoken with much truth.
i'd move carey down somewhere and put peart/portnoy up there, but that's just me

[Moses]

Eh, it's okay. Better than it could have turned out.

[Huber]

I think I would rather have Peart in first place, but then again at other times I listen to Carey and I think he deserves first, which is probably why I voted for him. I can't really make a final answer on who I wanted in first; between Carey and Peart. Oh well. Aside from that I think that Portnoy should be on the bottom of the list, except that I still haven't heard all the rave about Lopez. I haven't really tried either so that's not fair.

[ghettoeddo]

pinkfreud, many props to you for doing this anyway :thumb:

[Moses]

Portnoy should be lower and Lopez shouldn't even be there in my opinion.

[Maggot Dream]

I disagree with Carey in first, as I think that spot should be reserved for Peart or Moon, but the top ten itself isn't awful.

Nice job to PinkFreud for this whole thing.

[StreetlightRock]

Pink, even if people complained, good job on the poll, it was more intresting reading your little muses of drummers rather than the standard description of them anyway.

The list is good too, even if I disagree on the order, the three drummers I wanted were all in it - Reinert, Moon and Carey.

[Krabsworth]

Time for top 10 keyboarders.

[Moses]

Yeah, thanks for taking this up for me PF. I had a bunch of AP **** to do so yeah, otherwise it would have never gotten done.

[Txus]

Portnoy is the only mistake in there, the rest is Ok.

[rockinbass17]

If only Palmer had made it.

[Joe]

i happy with peart in second but i still think he should have won

I'm happy with him in second too. I'm not happy that he's behind Carey.

I don't think Carrey should be first, but that's a good list, notwithstanding order.

Agreed, except there are some pretty good drummers that didn't make it.

Time for top 10 keyboarders.

There aren't enough to do that I think. There are drummers in every band.

If we were to do that, we should do keys in general. Including piano.

[ghettoeddo]

agreed. including the piano i mean.

[eug008]

Pretty Good list but carey shouldn't be 1st

[Flynn]

Portnoy should be lower and Lopez shouldn't even be there in my opinion.


That's sad coming from an Opeth fanboy.



Portnoy is the only mistake in there, the rest is Ok.


Agreed 100%.

[PinkFreud]

That's sad coming from an Opeth fanboy.
Sad, maybe. But he's right. I mean Lopez isn't as technically gifted as Bozzio, Peart, Bruford, Reinert, Carey, or even Portnoy nor has he been as influential or innovative as Baker, Moon, or Bonham. So why is he there? Oh right, because of people's opinions.

I'd rather that people be able to vote for these things without having personal opinions overriding everything else. It'd be great to see someone say that they're voting for one drummer because even though they prefer another, they can tell that the one they're voting for is greater. And a few people DID do that. I'd just like to see it more.

[Trivium616]

Hm, I like the list. Can't really complain.

[heavy metal kid]

Time for top 10 keyboarders.

:lol:
I can imagine Jordan Rudess in first, followed by John Lord.

I think there's another poll coming soon, we nominated metal bands again.

[Baudelaire]

Horrible order Peart should be numero uno. Fact - Carey is no where as good as Peart. Anyway... good overall results.

You were horrible PF, just bloody awful. Next time try not to suck so much. Oh and next time make sure Charlie gets past the first round!

[YDload]

I really don't think Carey should have won, but what can you do? Tool released a new album during the running of this competition, and Carey's drumming was as impressive as ever. It only served to increase his popularity and make people go "Hey, I know that guy! I'm gonna vote for him!" Them's the breaks I guess.

Good job Pinky.

[PepsiMetal]

Hmm, I like peart way more than carey.

[ghettoeddo]

I'd rather that people be able to vote for these things without having personal opinions overriding everything else. It'd be great to see someone say that they're voting for one drummer because even though they prefer another, they can tell that the one they're voting for is greater. And a few people DID do that. I'd just like to see it more.

ehh....i guess im guilty of that. im a huge dream theater fanboy, not gonna lie, and portnoy is the drumming world to me. i completely respect peart (not so much carey) and i realize that without peart...no portnoy.
but at the same time, you can't base the poll simply on influence, right? i know nothing about drumming...but i think portnoy has a little more technical skill and knows his way around the drumset better than peart does.

[Moses]

That's sad coming from an Opeth fanboy.
Yeah, it is, but it's the truth. I'd say he's got some really tasteful drumming but that isn't enough for top ten.

[rippa32]

Why is John Bonham in there but someone like Ian Paice is not? Im not saying that Bonzo doesn't deserve it im just saying there are other jazz influenced drummers out there better than him.

[wikuk]

Keith is rated too high and Bozzio too low, but other than that, a very nice list.

Carey 1st :D

[Kyle]

Great job on running this Pink, You tried to keep it fairly impartial, whilst still making sure to speak out if you though anyone was truely out of place. Didn't YDload already start the nominations for a new poll? Or am I getting confused?

I think the list turned out ok, but Carey should never be number one. I think he justifys a lower place in the top 10, but he can't compete with Peart or Bozzio really. I would have liked to see Bonham get top 5 at least aswell.

[Toaster]

Portnoy should be lower and Lopez shouldn't even be there in my opinion.
My thoughts exactly.

[temporary]

Eh, the order could definitly better, Martin Lopez is good and all but not top ten quality. Still though, it was a fun little poll, nice job PF.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

You were horrible PF, just bloody awful. Next time try not to suck so much. Oh and next time make sure Charlie gets past the first round!
Either you're trying to be funny or a complete áss.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I like the list. I don't really like Portnoy's style at all. He seems to just kind of force beats into time signatures and not really have a solid groove going. I have no clue what that really means because I'm not a drummer, so my opinion isn't really as informative as a drummer's would be. Anyone want to fill me in on what exactly makes Portnoy more than just a very good drummer?

[Bfhurricane]

^^I feel that Portnoy's style, mostly on DT's album "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence," is very diverse. There's always one part of most of DT's hits that I feel the drums take control. Bands can mostly use drummers to just keep a basic beat to keep up with the rest of the band, but I feel Portnoy, along with everyone else in this top 10, takes it to a higher level. BTW im not a drummer either, Im just basing what I say simply by what I hear.

[PinkFreud]

ehh....i guess im guilty of that. im a huge dream theater fanboy, not gonna lie, and portnoy is the drumming world to me. i completely respect peart (not so much carey) and i realize that without peart...no portnoy.
but at the same time, you can't base the poll simply on influence, right? i know nothing about drumming...but i think portnoy has a little more technical skill and knows his way around the drumset better than peart does.
I understand that not everyone can know these drummers in a technical sense but the truth is, Peart absolutely shames Portnoy in technical skill. It's not even close.

Kickflip Burrito, ha. It's the former.

Thanks, guys.

YouGottaBeCrazy, Portnoy has fair technical skill. He really lacks in creativity and influence and so the only thing he really has going for him is passable playing.

[Moses]

^^I feel that Portnoy's style, mostly on DT's album "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence," is very diverse. There's always one part of most of DT's hits that I feel the drums take control. Bands can mostly use drummers to just keep a basic beat to keep up with the rest of the band, but I feel Portnoy, along with everyone else in this top 10, takes it to a higher level. BTW im not a drummer either, Im just basing what I say simply by what I hear.
6DOIT is probably where he started losing his creativity.

[Lord Abortion]

Peart and Portnoy should be both above Carey, and I don't know what half the others are doing in there...

[PinkFreud]

Riding on their influence and technical talent. Have you heard much Bruford, Baker, and Bozzio?

[Moses]

Especially Bozzio, he's better than Peart in my opinion in pretty much any way. Maybe Peart has influence on him but not much else.

Oh, and Portnoy should probably be last.

[Duncster]

I listen to songs like Erotomania and Take the Time, and I can't see how Portnoy is lacking in creativity.
Edit: Steve Gadd should definitely be in the top 10. He is the technique guru. But the list actually turned out pretty good.

[Arucard]

The fact Carey won proves the stupidty of most music fans.

[Moses]

I listen to songs like Erotomania and Take the Time, and I can't see how Portnoy is lacking in creativity.
Edit: Steve Gadd should definitely be in the top 10. He is the technique guru. But the list actually turned out pretty good.
Portnoy was more creative in the early days, now he's just a cliche metal drummer.

[penelope weird hands]

lol judging people on their opinions is l337 lawl

[PinkFreud]

lol judging people on their opinions is l337 lawl
No it's not. It's just fun.

[CaptainWaits]

I'm dissapointed Rudd didn't make it in there....

Good list though. I wouldn't have Portnoy or Peart up in the top 5 however...

[Reywas]

The fact Carey won proves the stupidty of most music fans.

This must make you feel superior to us who actually voted for our favorite drummer. The fact is no one can make a top 10 list of anything, we people just prefer Carey and don't really give a rat's *** if he can't hit the cymbal in 22/7... :thumb:

[Txus]

I'm dissapointed Rudd didn't make it in there....

Good list though. I wouldn't have Portnoy or Peart up in the top 5 however...
I agree with Portnoy, but Peart? Are you serious?! :eek:

[PinkFreud]

He asked where Rudd was. I assume he means Phil Rudd from AC/DC thus his opinion is not to be taken seriously.

[Kru]

Maybe it's just me but...Dave Silveria should be near the top 10. :wave: I'm not a drummer though but I thought Silveria is pretty good.

My friends are so stupid, if they saw this thread they'd be all over Joey Jordison. :rolleyes:

[Moses]

Maybe it's just me but...Dave Silveria should be near the top 10. :wave: I'm not a drummer though but I thought Silveria is pretty good.

My friends are so stupid, if they saw this thread they'd be all over Joey Jordison. :rolleyes:
Silveria is a decent funk-style drummer. He's pretty impressive on Korn's first two albums. Definately not top ten quality though.

[JohnXDoe]

Keith Moon # 4, lol

Silly R&Mer's can't get the vote right. Either that or the fix is in. :angry:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I voted Jordison once, I think. :cool:

[Det_Nosnip]

The fact Carey won proves the stupidty of most music fans.
Not really. Granted, people like Vinnie Colaiuta and Steve Gadd probably deserve the top spots (sadly, they're not even here), but of the 10, Bruford Bozzio and Reinert are the only ones who would could give a serious contention for the top spot.

[Det_Nosnip]

Silveria is a decent funk-style drummer. He's pretty impressive on Korn's first two albums. Definately not top ten quality though.

Oh, Moses...I expected better of you. :(

[Moses]

What should you expect? I'm a psuedo-intellectual 17 year-old.

[Duncster]

I can't believe I haven't heard anyone mention Dave Girabaldi throughout this entire competition!!! So many people seem to have such a great knowledge of drummers and he hasn't got any recognition? Theres no Tower of Power fans!?! Someone please download What is Hip?

Its fair to say he is one of the most underrated drummers around! (around here especially)

[CaptainWaits]

He asked where Rudd was. I assume he means Phil Rudd from AC/DC thus his opinion is not to be taken seriously.
Yes, well that much was a joke...
I agree with Portnoy, but Peart? Are you serious?!
But I'm serious about this^. Peart's always been a drummer I've had problems with. I've never been a big fan of his work, and I really don't think he deserves the mass amount of credit he recieves. As I'm a drummer, there's been far more innovative drummers for me.

[Seafroggys]

Why is John Bonham in there but someone like Ian Paice is not? Im not saying that Bonzo doesn't deserve it im just saying there are other jazz influenced drummers out there better than him.

indeed. Paice is way better, but he almost went to the top 10, but lost to Reinhart in a tiebreaker.

[Lord Abortion]

Riding on their influence and technical talent. Have you heard much Bruford, Baker, and Bozzio?
Baker and Bruford, I have, Baker is great, but not top-10 great, and I like both Yes and King Crimson alot, but the drumming never really struck me.
I didn't think Reinert was worth it, either, or Lopez, so it's the metal drummer's positions I have a problem with, too. Bonham, and Moon, and Baker possibly, yeah, I can see why and appreciate it, Peart and Portnoy, Definitely, I love both of their drumming. I already mentioned my puzzlement at Carey, too.

But Reinert and Lopez are puzzling choices...I never thought much of Death's drumming, or Opeth's, to be honest.

[Moses]

Baker and Bruford, I have, Baker is great, but not top-10 great, and I like both Yes and King Crimson alot, but the drumming never really struck me.
I didn't think Reinert was worth it, either, or Lopez, so it's the metal drummer's positions I have a problem with, too. Bonham, and Moon, and Baker possibly, yeah, I can see why and appreciate it, Peart and Portnoy, Definitely, I love both of their drumming. I already mentioned my puzzlement at Carey, too.

But Reinert and Lopez are puzzling choices...I never thought much of Death's drumming, or Opeth's, to be honest.
??? Listen to Cynic right now.

[Lord Abortion]

Where did Charlie Watts of the Stones place in this?

For influence, only Paice, Bonham and Peart Match him.

[Baudelaire]

He didn't get past the first round. Much to my dismay.

[Lord Abortion]

Yeah, reading an interview with Nicko McBrain, he said that Charlie was a huge influence on his playing.

[Flynn]

Baker and Bruford, I have, Baker is great, but not top-10 great, and I like both Yes and King Crimson alot, but the drumming never really struck me.
I didn't think Reinert was worth it, either, or Lopez, so it's the metal drummer's positions I have a problem with, too. Bonham, and Moon, and Baker possibly, yeah, I can see why and appreciate it, Peart and Portnoy, Definitely, I love both of their drumming. I already mentioned my puzzlement at Carey, too.

But Reinert and Lopez are puzzling choices...I never thought much of Death's drumming, or Opeth's, to be honest.



It's such a pitty, all of these talentless, no-tasted kids on these forums with godly opinions. Listen to Human, then come back and read what you typed.

[Thor]

I'm extremely happy that Peart didn't win.

[Flynn]

I'm extremely happy that Peart didn't win.


Me too. I'm kinda glad Carey won it though (kick, snare, kick, snare)

[Det_Nosnip]

^^ Huh? :confused:

I like both Yes and King Crimson alot, but the drumming never really struck me.
Then, to be perfectly honest, you know absolutely nothing about drumming. Listen to "One More Red Nightmare."


But Reinert and Lopez are puzzling choices...I never thought much of Death's drumming, or Opeth's, to be honest.

Lopez's work on the Damnation album was fantastic. Never thought much of Death's drumming? Chuck had Gene Hoglan, Sean Reinert, and Richard Christy, the former two being easily within the top 5 metal drummers of all time, the latter not too shabby himself. If you really want to hear Reinert, listen to Cynic or Gordian Knot, or even his work on the self-titled Aghora album.

[Det_Nosnip]

What should you expect? I'm a psuedo-intellectual 17 year-old.

But...FUNK? Silveria? Korn? :eek: And with someone bitching about the neglect of Garibaldi right under you, too.

[Krabsworth]

NO Billy Cobham=complete B/S

Portnoy shouldn't even be top 10

[A_Guy]

Well, I'm pleased with the results, the order of the top 10 wouldn't my first choice, but I think they all deserve to be in the top 10.

And thanks to PinkFreud.

[Shattered_Future]

But...FUNK? Silveria? Korn? :eek: And with someone bitching about the neglect of Garibaldi right under you, too.

Silveria is easily the most talented member of the band, but "funk drummer" is pushing it a bit far. He's talented but stuck in a dead end band, nothing more.

The Walrus definately should have gotten through. He's seriously one of the best drummers to ever grace the face of the earth...

[Kru]

Silveria is easily the most talented member of the band, but "funk drummer" is pushing it a bit far. He's talented but stuck in a dead end band, nothing more.

The Walrus definately should have gotten through. He's seriously one of the best drummers to ever grace the face of the earth...
Agreed 100%. Silveria could definately do a lot better if he were in a better band.

Although Fieldy is pretty good at bass, Dave is definately the most talented.

[Moses]

But...FUNK? Silveria? Korn? :eek: And with someone bitching about the neglect of Garibaldi right under you, too.
He does some funk/hip-hop stuff that's pretty good on the first two albums. I know he wasn't a great drummer but he is competent.

[Lunarfall]

Other than Bozzio being too low and Peart not being #1, this is a pretty good list.

[MidnightRider]

2. Peart
4. Moon

This makes me happy. :)

Nice job running all the polls, Allen.

[Lord Abortion]

It's such a pitty, all of these talentless, no-tasted kids on these forums with godly opinions. Listen to Human, then come back and read what you typed.
I have Human...It's nowhere near as good as Scream Bloody Gore.

Then, to be perfectly honest, you know absolutely nothing about drumming. Listen to "One More Red Nightmare."


Do you know anything?
It depends, though I'm a vocalist by trade I have also played the drums for four years, so I really don't know how much more eqipped you are to discuss drumming than me.


Lopez's work on the Damnation album was fantastic. Never thought much of Death's drumming? Chuck had Gene Hoglan, Sean Reinert, and Richard Christy, the former two being easily within the top 5 metal drummers of all time, the latter not too shabby himself. If you really want to hear Reinert, listen to Cynic or Gordian Knot, or even his work on the self-titled Aghora album.
I said it really doesn't strike me... for technical death metal, try Neoplasmah, now that guy can drum...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Okay, let's just say that you do know something about drumming. It doesn't change the fact that drumming should or shouldn't 'strike' you.

Remember guys, opinions.

"How the **** can you NOT be amazed by the color orange? You can see right?"

[Lord Abortion]

Okay, let's just say that you do know something about drumming. It doesn't change the fact that drumming should or shouldn't 'strike' you.

Remember guys, opinions.

"How the **** can you NOT be amazed by the color orange? You can see right?"
Heh, exactly...I just got a little irritated by that. The block statement that "You know nothing about drumming" is a little different from "my opinion is different than yours" which is what he surely meant.

[Flynn]

I have Human...It's nowhere near as good as Scream Bloody Gore.


The drums on Scream Bloody Gore are primitive compared to Human. You lack taste in the tech-death department. It's always good to display an opinion, especially on these types of threads, but seriously, you sound ignorant.

[PinkFreud]

Det_Nosnip is a drum forum reg and a bit of a drumming wannabe know-it-all. He's been constantly plaguing me while I was running this, bewildered as to why I didn't list a Karizma track for Colaiuta and the like. Maybe I wanted to recommend songs people could easily get a hold of!

Anyway, to respond to you, Abortion, Bruford's work is pretty complex, even by prog standards, his playing is quite unique, and his influence is damn huge. Baker should be in the 10 because he actually is very technical in his playing, even if it doesn't stand out a lot. He was also one of the first rock drummers to experiment with incorporating world music and tribal beats into the music, and pioneered the use of the double bass drum.

Reinert's a very talented drummer, his work is complex and he plays with an almost unrivaled fluidity. I don't really think he should be in the top 10 just because I can think of more drummers that have done a lot more for drumming who have almost his chops and creativity but I'm not disappointed that he's there. Lopez is a whole different story. His drumming is good but he's got nowhere near the credentials of anyone else in the top 10. Not even Portnoy, who's the second weakest here in my opinion.

Flynn, for someone who can't even spell the word "pity," maybe you should back off Lord Abortion a tad. And you don't know half as much about drumming as you think you do if you believe Lopez to be deserving of even close to top 10 status.

[Joe]

Flynn, for someone who can't even spell the word "pity," maybe you should back off Lord Abortion a tad. And you don't know half as much about drumming as you think you do if you believe Lopez to be deserving of even close to top 10 status.

And especially since you were glad Carey won. There aren't any drummers in the last ten years that really deserve to be this high on the list. Portnoy deserves to be high up, but not this high. There are plenty of Classic Rock drummers that have more soul and talent then Carey and Lopez.

[Flynn]

And especially since you were glad Carey won. There aren't any drummers in the last ten years that really deserve to be this high on the list. Portnoy deserves to be high up, but not this high. There are plenty of Classic Rock drummers that have more soul and talent then Carey and Lopez.



I'm happy with the results, although I think some should have been higher/lower, I'm pleased with the poll. Look closely at my post about Carey...

[lost_profits]

Yeah, if you're basing your opinion of Reinert based solely or largely off what he did with Death, you're ignoring his best work in my opinion. What he did with Gordian Knot and Cynic was far better, particularly from a drumming point of view

Well said Med.

One way to see how good a drummer really is, is to see how they are respected by their peers. And who they work with. I've said it before, Reinert played with the absolute top echelon of musicians throughout his career. Bill Bruford played drums with Gordian Knot and it's obvious he and Reinert share the same passions and musical ideas. Reinert isn't just a technical drummer, he is a musician (opposed to these guys like Flo Mournier who are one-trick ponies.)

As for the list...

I really enjoy Lopez's work, but because he's in band that is popular on here he probably benefitted. He should've made way for Vinnie Colauita or Billy Cobham.

Mike Portnoy isn't top 10 material really. In fact I rate Lopez over him.

Bill Bruford should've been higher. He heavily influenced Danny Carey. Hold on Danny Carey won?!

[Duncster]

But...FUNK? Silveria? Korn? :eek: And with someone bitching about the neglect of Garibaldi right under you, too.
If you dont think Garibaldi deserves to be in at least the top thirty you either dont know **** about drumming or havent hear much tower of power

[rhcp pman]

And especially since you were glad Carey won. There aren't any drummers in the last ten years that really deserve to be this high on the list. Portnoy deserves to be high up, but not this high. There are plenty of Classic Rock drummers that have more soul and talent then Carey and Lopez.
IMO Martin Lopez plays with a hell of a lot of feel and soul - especially considering the fact he's playing progressive death metal.

In fact, I think it's pretty hard to have anything to do with Latin drumming without having a good feel like Lopez.

Sure some drummers could fill in for him - but I bet they can't play with as much feel.

Anyway, I think Paice and Bruford should have beaten Bonham. Bruford is sex for ears.

[lost_profits]

I said it really doesn't strike me... for technical death metal, try Neoplasmah, now that guy can drum...

I suppose not every drummer will impress everyone. It's just the way it is. I can understand Reinert's drumming might not 'strike' you, but I bet your bottom dollar the guy from Neoplasmah will site Reinert as a big influence. The good thing about Reinert is he didn't try to recreate his style with Cynic, he instead went with Gordian Knot who aren't even metal. Versatility.

[Killtacular]

Portnoy shouldn't be anywhere near top 10. Other than that, it seems to be fine enough.

[lost_profits]

Baker and Bruford, I have, Baker is great, but not top-10 great, and I like both Yes and King Crimson alot, but the drumming never really struck me.
I didn't think Reinert was worth it, either, or Lopez, so it's the metal drummer's positions I have a problem with, too. Bonham, and Moon, and Baker possibly, yeah, I can see why and appreciate it, Peart and Portnoy, Definitely, I love both of their drumming. I already mentioned my puzzlement at Carey, too.

But Reinert and Lopez are puzzling choices...I never thought much of Death's drumming, or Opeth's, to be honest.

IMHO, Bonham and Moon are more influence votes, rather than the skill side of things. Which isn't wrong at all, it's part about being a drummer...Obviously Moon and Bonzo both had chops, but they also had the little extras (such as their massive presence behind the kit, flair for performing etc) that makes them very well-rounded drummers.

I also can't see how Portnoy is better than Reinert in any way.

[A_Guy]

Portnoy shouldn't be anywhere near top 10. Other than that, it seems to be fine enough.
What's with all the hard feeling against Portney? I think he's a very good drummer and desrves the recognition.

[PinkFreud]

Because there are plenty of drummers who outclass him and he's really only gotten through on his popularity because otherwise he wouldn't be near the top 10?

[guitar_is_life1992]

i dont think this is fair i mean what about the different types of music?

[Moses]

i dont think this is fair i mean what about the different types of music?
r+m = ROCK AND METAL!!!

Otherwise Dave Weckel would be there.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

r+m = ROCK AND METAL!!!

Otherwise Dave Weckel would be there.

I really doubt that. I'm sure only 1/5 R&Mers have listened to him. Whether he'd be deserving(yesh?) or not, he probably wouldn't make it into the top 10.

[Killtacular]

What's with all the hard feeling against Portnoy? I think he's a very good drummer and desrves the recognition.
Because he himself has admitted all he uses are single strokes spread out over a mass amount of different ****.

And for sticking to singles, he's downgraded on a list of great drummers.

[StreetlightRock]

That's true, but I reckon its a skill in itself, making singles sound good, Piace and Carey can do it, as can Portnoy, although he lacks their versitility and creativity.

[Moses]

I really doubt that. I'm sure only 1/5 R&Mers have listened to him. Whether he'd be deserving(yesh?) or not, he probably wouldn't make it into the top 10.
Well if the forum was for all types of music there'd be tons of jazz fans in here.
Because he himself has admitted all he uses are single strokes spread out over a mass amount of different ****.

And for sticking to singles, he's downgraded on a list of great drummers.
His worst habit is using hand/foot trades for every goddamn fill.

[ghettoeddo]

you can't have it all.

the man is great at what he DOES do. even if it is "hand/foot trades for every goddamn fill."

although that means nothign to me seeing as how i know nothing abt drumming :lol:

[Lord Abortion]

The drums on Scream Bloody Gore are primitive compared to Human. You lack taste in the tech-death department. It's always good to display an opinion, especially on these types of threads, but seriously, you sound ignorant.
I don't like technical death metal, this may explain that!

Anyway, to respond to you, Abortion, Bruford's work is pretty complex, even by prog standards, his playing is quite unique, and his influence is damn huge. Baker should be in the 10 because he actually is very technical in his playing, even if it doesn't stand out a lot. He was also one of the first rock drummers to experiment with incorporating world music and tribal beats into the music, and pioneered the use of the double bass drum.

I totally agree with Ginger Baker being in here. I'm quite a big Cream fan and certianly his massive influence, aswell as his playing make him worthy of the top 10.

IMHO, Bonham and Moon are more influence votes, rather than the skill side of things. Which isn't wrong at all, it's part about being a drummer...Obviously Moon and Bonzo both had chops, but they also had the little extras (such as their massive presence behind the kit, flair for performing etc) that makes them very well-rounded drummers.
Probably true, but anyone who has seen Bonham's Moby Dick drum solo has to agree the man was amazing.

On Portnoy...I can hardly consider myself unbiased, as I have a huge love for Dream Theater. As with most polls on here, classic rock instrumentalists are generally placing higher, and I would back Mikey simply because he's in DT, even if I didn't think he was amazingly talented, which I do.

[Seafroggys]

.
Probably true, but anyone who has seen Bonham's Moby Dick drum solo has to agree the man was amazing.

There's better 'drum solo' songs from the era. Baker's "Toad" and Paice's "The Mule" spring to mind.

And Keith Moon played a drum solo during The Who's entire performance.

[PinkFreud]

I don't know if I'd say The Mule is better than Moby Dick. Honestly, I'm not a very big fan of Paice's drum solos. Toad, I think, is a better showcase for Baker's talent than Moby Dick is for Bonham's, though live it would be close. For Paice, I prefer his in-band playing.

[Joe]

IMO Martin Lopez plays with a hell of a lot of feel and soul - especially considering the fact he's playing progressive death metal.

Oh I don't mean to say he doesn't, I just meant to say that others play with more.

I really doubt that. I'm sure only 1/5 R&Mers have listened to him. Whether he'd be deserving(yesh?) or not, he probably wouldn't make it into the top 10.

I've heard of him, but never heard his stuff.

[Duncster]

I've heard of him, but never heard his stuff.
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/DaveWecklnaturalsolo.html
:amaze:

[i am the robots]

A lot better drummers were in the other polls :(.

[Poofy 666]

Danny Carey ftl

[White]

how did Carey beat Peart? yes he is great, but he's no Peart haha. But ya, If it were Peart then portnoy the Carey it would of been great for me haha

[raz0r]

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/DaveWecklnaturalsolo.html
:amaze:
I absolutely love that video. My favourite Weckl video, maybe aside from the buddy rich triute thing with Vinnie Colaiuta + Steve Gadd.

The way he just floats over those drums, making it look like he's completely, totally and utterly relaxed... It's just mindblowing.

[Duncster]

I absolutely love that video. My favourite Weckl video, maybe aside from the buddy rich triute thing with Vinnie Colaiuta + Steve Gadd.

The way he just floats over those drums, making it look like he's completely, totally and utterly relaxed... It's just mindblowing.
Yeah his dynamics are awesome. I enjoy his performance in this vid better then any of his others to. I think he plays a lot better then in that drumoff between him n Gadd and Calaiuta. I can only dream to master an instrument to that extent!

[psuedopilot]

i hope matt mcdonough is in the top 1oo

[Det_Nosnip]

The fact Carey won proves the stupidty of most music fans.

Actually, no.

Det_Nosnip is a drum forum reg and a bit of a drumming wannabe know-it-all.
I post here about as often as I post there. I'm not a "wannabe know-it-all," but it isn't exactly a stretch to say that I know more about drumming than about 90% of R&M. Most of the people who post here are guitarists or bassists. Most of the better players in D&P don't bother posting here, but I happen to also be a fairly big metalhead.
Bill Bruford is an internationally recognized player and educator.


He's been constantly plaguing me while I was running this, bewildered as to why I didn't list a Karizma track for Colaiuta and the like. Maybe I wanted to recommend songs people could easily get a hold of!

I was being facetious.

[Det_Nosnip]

If you dont think Garibaldi deserves to be in at least the top thirty you either dont know **** about drumming or havent hear much tower of power

You...do realize that I was agreeing with you, don't you? :confused:

[Duncster]

You...do realize that I was agreeing with you, don't you? :confused:
Oh my bad man... I don't know what I was thinking heh.
Edit: Yeah I now see what you meant. Good to see someone else respects Girabaldi :thumb:

[PinkFreud]

Actually, no.

I post here about as often as I post there. I'm not a "wannabe know-it-all," but it isn't exactly a stretch to say that I know more about drumming than about 90% of R&M. Most of the people who post here are guitarists or bassists. Most of the better players in D&P don't bother posting here, but I happen to also be a fairly big metalhead.
Bill Bruford is an internationally recognized player and educator.


I was being facetious.
My post wasn't completely serious. But you should know that one doesn't have to be a "better player" to know a lot about drumming. I consider myself fairly mediocre but I understand what makes good drummers, I can tell a superior drummer from just a very good one, and I know quite a bit of the theory behind drums. I just can't apply it very well. :p

Of course, you're right in saying that the majority of R&M doesn't know much about drums from a behind the set perspective, putting them at a disadvantage.

[guitar_is_life1992]

ah ok

[IsItLuck?]

Danny Carey never fails once again.

[Josh D.]

Has anyone that says Mike Portnoy isn't creative seen him play "the dance of eternity"? Hearing it is one, but to watch all that he does in one song is amazing.

[PinkFreud]

Yes. But seeing doesn't make it more creative than listenninng to it.

[Josh D.]

What I mean is that it is easier to see what he is doing. He utilizes almost everything on his kit very well. And if anyone has seen his setup, that is no easy feat. He makes tons of fills and some rifs on his toms, plenty of riffs with his ride, both hi-hats, both chinas, all of his drums, uses pretty much every cymbal, and makes a long song out of it. Seeing him play that shows how creative he is.

[Moses]

His playing is pretty much the same through out most of their newer songs from about 6DOIT and on.

[Josh D.]

I wouldn't know about a lot of his playing, I don't actually like DT's music too much. The individuals are amazing thiugh.

[Moses]

Well, that's what we mean by he's not creative. Sometimes he'll do cool stuff but it's all the same stuff as he's done before. In the early days he was pretty creative though. I'm a pretty big DT fan but Portnoy is probably the least technical, creative or influenctial instrumentalist of the group.

[Maggot Dream]

I've noticed lately that Portnoy tends to overplay in their most recent material, mostly on 6DOIT. Listen to "Misunderstood;" it sounds like he's desperately trying to throw into the song more than it's meant to handle. Not a bad song so much, it's just that he feels that he has to be doing something 'complex' at all times, whether it fits the music or not.

[Leper]

I really thought Peart would win but whatever. IMO Carey is definitely a worthy champion. Keith Moon actually finished exactly where I thought he would...

[Josh D.]

Carey isn't a worthy champion if he is in a poll with Neil Peart.

[TEST]

I was pulling for Keith Moon. I gotta tell you. He's amazing. I'm happy with Carey though. Best on that final list.

[Josh D.]

I was pulling for Keith Moon. I gotta tell you. He's amazing. I'm happy with Carey though. Best on that final list.
No. There is a guy named Neil Peart on there. Portnoy, despite any opinions involving creativeness, is much better as well.

[TEST]

No. There is a guy named Neil Peart on there. Portnoy, despite any opinions involving creativeness, is much better as well.
uh huh? You know! It's a true blessing having people like you post. Since I'm mentally unable to read the TS post. I can't thank you enough for mentioning one of the most talked about drummers now.


Thanks for enlightening me. I could never repay you enough.

[Josh D.]

Clever.

[TEST]

Clever.
So what place do you think Travis Barker & Lars should've landed?

[Josh D.]

By that stupid comment, you are implying that Neil Peart should not have been placed where he is. That makes you useless in this poll.

[TEST]

By that stupid comment, you are implying that Neil Peart should not have been placed where he is. That makes you useless in this poll.
Thanks. I'll wait for you to leave now. Since you're an annoying ignorant n00b and I'm a vet.

[Josh D.]

164 posts in the forums makes you a vet? Tell that to people with a few thousand.
Is "noob" supposed to insult me? Considering I have been on a sister site for a while.

[TEST]

164 posts in the forums makes you a vet? Tell that to people with a few thousand.
Is "noob" supposed to insult me? Considering I have been on a sister site for a while.
I have 4000 + on my I'm Charming account that gets un banned 25th of this month.

kthx?

I know. I remember your terrible posting on Sputnik.

[Moses]

Calm down little girls.

[TEST]

Calm down girls.
Says the emo looking fellow

/has seen your pic in the R&M Photoalbum

[Josh D.]

Calm down little girls.
Ok, I'm done with this one, too. Sorry Moses.

[Moses]

Says the emo looking fellow

/has seen your pic in the R&M Photoalbum

Heh, actually my hair just kinda did that and it was about a year ago. But I still think I look like a rockstar.

Ok, I'm done with this one, too. Sorry Moses.
Eh, it's okay if you guys argue about drummers but do it maturely.

[Drunken Viking]

I have 4000 + on my I'm Charming account that gets un banned 25th of this month.

kthx?

I know. I remember your terrible posting on Sputnik.
Yeah, and he's the terrible poster.

[TEST]

Yeah, and he's the terrible poster.
Thanks for the worthless opinion you sack of **** jew.

[Josh D.]

Lol.
Here is one of his better ones:
"I think hes a relitivly good death vocallist."
Good spelling.

Ok sorry, NOW I'm done.

[TEST]

Lol.
Here is one of his better ones:
"I think hes a relitivly good death vocallist."
Good spelling.

Ok sorry, NOW I'm done.
I couldn't give a **** about grammar on the net and please give a link for that alleged quote.

[Josh D.]

http://sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=3400&genreid=4&page=1
There you go. I'll leave it alone.

[TEST]

http://sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=3400&genreid=4&page=1
There you go. I'll leave it alone.
Fair enough. You sure have a life to be digging up posts like that, don't you?

[Josh D.]

Despite this last hour we have had together, I have to say: based on some of your album ratings under the I'm Charming name, you have some good taste in music. (seriously)

You sure have a life to be digging up posts like that, don't you?
What can I say, "I'm charming" gave it away. I like TBDM btw.

[TEST]

Despite this last hour we have had together, I have to say: based on some of your album ratings under the I'm Charming name, you have some good taste in music. (seriously)


What can I say, "I'm charming" gave it away. I like TBDM btw.
Alright. Fair enough. We'll call it now.

Thanks. My Last FM (http://www.last.fm/user/WarheartTDMX/?chartstyle=minimalDarkRecent)

[Leper]

Actually to be quite honest I wouldn't have been upset no matter who won out of that top 10. That's an incredibly talented list. Personally I found it less controversial than the top 10 list of any other poll.

Thanks for the worthless opinion you sack of **** jew.

Seriously, I'm starting to think you enjoy creating new profiles.

[Josh D.]

I thought that the guitarist list was very unjust.

[Drunken Viking]

Seriously, I'm starting to think you enjoy creating new profiles.
The sad part is that's his only insult towards me, either that or having The Notorious B.I.G. as my aviator.

[omgwtfboogie]

I'm happy Carey won. I really like all of the things he does, and I think if you went by the drummers' playing in their respective bands' songs, he'd certainly have to win. He's simply amazing in that context, where as most others seem to tone it down.

[Substitute]

Theodore, Shrieve, Mitchell.
They deserved it.

I'm happy Carey won. I really like all of the things he does, and I think if you went by the drummers' playing in their respective bands' songs, he'd certainly have to win. He's simply amazing in that context, where as most others seem to tone it down.

Moon, Baker and Bonham never toned it down.

[Lord Abortion]

I've noticed lately that Portnoy tends to overplay in their most recent material, mostly on 6DOIT. Listen to "Misunderstood;" it sounds like he's desperately trying to throw into the song more than it's meant to handle. Not a bad song so much, it's just that he feels that he has to be doing something 'complex' at all times, whether it fits the music or not.
It's a wonderful song...but that's largely due to James, who manages to bring something amazing to every DT song.

[Duncster]

Thanks. I'll wait for you to leave now. Since you're an annoying ignorant n00b and I'm a vet.
Good point. I gotta remember to ask people "how long have you been signed up on musicianforums?" before I can take their musical oppinion seriously from now on. If they haven't been on long they obviously dont know anything lolz omg.
:rolleyes:

[ghettoeddo]

Good point. I gotta remember to ask people "how long have you been signed up on musicianforums?" before I can take their musical oppinion seriously from now on. If they haven't been on long they obviously dont know anything lolz omg.
:rolleyes:

how long you've been here or postcount means nothing.
you could've been signed up since 2003 and be a total dbag and know nothing, while a guy signed up yesterday could have vast amounts of insight.

i agree w/ the portnoy thing. he's my favorite drummer, but at times...his drums fill up so much space it's distractnig

[Duncster]

how long you've been here or postcount means nothing.
you could've been signed up since 2003 and be a total dbag and know nothing, while a guy signed up yesterday could have vast amounts of insight.

i agree w/ the portnoy thing. he's my favorite drummer, but at times...his drums fill up so much space it's distractnig
And I thought my sarcasm was blatant and obvious :lol:

[Drunken Viking]

I got it, but I think he was agreeing with you. :p

[Sleepy]

Not a half bad list, IMO.

[Duncster]

Ahh I see heh.

[Maggot Dream]

No. There is a guy named Neil Peart on there. Portnoy, despite any opinions involving creativeness, is much better as well.
I'm not sure whether you're saying that Portnoy is better that Moon or Carey, but you'd be wrong on both fronts, so it doesn't matter.

[GenuineImitation]

Move Peart to 1, Portnoy to 2 and Carey to 3 and I'll be a happy camper. I think Carey is a great drummer, but I think the other two are better.


Then again Im a guitarist and not a drummer so what do I know?

[Moses]

Move Peart to 1, Portnoy to 2 and Carey to 3 and I'll be a happy camper. I think Carey is a great drummer, but I think the other two are better.


Then again Im a guitarist and not a drummer so what do I know?
Yeah, Portnoy at 2 doesn't look good to me.

[Txus]

Portnoy should be at 10th IMO.

[Jacaranda]

Hm, never knew there was this much dislike for Portnoy.

[BraveUlysses]

I'd put Portney towards the end. Here's how I would rank them:

Ginger Baker
Keith Moon
Bill Bruford
Terry Bozio
Danny Carey
Neil Peart
John Bonham
Mike Portney
Martin Lopez
Sean Reinert*

*only last because I haven't heard any of his stuff. Everyone seems pretty high on him though, so he probably deserves to be somewhere around the middle beween Peart and Bonham or something like that.

[Brain Dead]

I'd put Portnoy first. Daney Carey is a good drummer, but I think people overestimate him because his style is so distinctive, not necessairily because he's the best drummer.

[ghettoeddo]

people dont like portnoy because he's in dream theater :rolleyes:
and you know the general consensus about dream theater on these forums.
although the criticisms have some merit.

i myself put portnoy first. i already explained my reasons a few pages back.
i think...?

[Det_Nosnip]

Carey isn't a worthy champion if he is in a poll with Neil Peart.

Meh...I'd take Carey over Peart. Mostly after seeing Peart's attempt at swinging...don't get me wrong, Peart made huge strides on the drumset and is a great player, but as far as groove and feel go, Carey is alot more well-rounded and diverse. Plus, having heard his work with Volto, I have to say that Carey could probably hold his own in a chop-fest as well.

people dont like portnoy because he's in dream theater :rolleyes:


Actually, I think that I'd like Dream Theater alot more if they had a more creative drummer. Ruddess and Petrucci are fantastic.

[Det_Nosnip]

My post wasn't completely serious. But you should know that one doesn't have to be a "better player" to know a lot about drumming. I consider myself fairly mediocre but I understand what makes good drummers, I can tell a superior drummer from just a very good one, and I know quite a bit of the theory behind drums. I just can't apply it very well. :p
Fair enough. Bruford was just a special case because...come on! The guy's a legend!

[ghettoeddo]

Actually, I think that I'd like Dream Theater alot more if they had a more creative drummer. Ruddess and Petrucci are fantastic.
hokay fair enough :]

[rhcp pman]

Move Peart to 1, Portnoy to 2 and Carey to 3 and I'll be a happy camper. I think Carey is a great drummer, but I think the other two are better.


Then again Im a guitarist and not a drummer so what do I know?
Looks good to me, except for Portnoy who IMO should be at the bottom of the top 10.

[Lord Abortion]

although the criticisms have some merit.

Nope, they don't:)

[!aaa!]

Keith Moon> Ginger Baker> (many other drummers)> John Bonham

[Duncster]

Actually, I think that I'd like Dream Theater alot more if they had a more creative drummer. Ruddess and Petrucci are fantastic.
Really? I know a lot of the forum feels this way and I find it quite odd. The 2 virtuoso drummers I know say he is the best part of Dream Theater, and the only great drummer/teacher in my town is a massive Portnoy fan. For those reasons and my own I find it very hard to believe a lot of the oppinions on him from some mxicans.

[PinkFreud]

You can be a fan of him and still admit that he's not amazing. It's all preference to if they like him or not. I think he's the best part of Dream Theater too, but that's because all the other members are boring to me. And oh man do I hate LaBrie.

[Lord Abortion]

And oh man do I hate LaBrie.
/Restrains stabbing arm

[PAJJ]

/un-restrains and hands knife :)

[Kingofdudes]

*Snipes PAJJ and Lord Abortion from a tall building*

[PinkFreud]

Heh. My hero.

Stupid LaBrie.

[PAJJ]

Ohh bugger, where's happy when you need him :(

[Kingofdudes]

Ohh bugger, where's happy when you need him :(
Dead :evil:

[Moses]

Labrie is annoying sometimes but on Octavarium he's actually really tolerable.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I find him more annoying than about 90% of the vocalists I hear, to be honest.

/fights off horde of angry Brits


PS: In this case, a horde is two, and angry is used lightly

[rhcp pman]

La Brie is hell annoying, but I thought he did a good job on the Human Equation album (Ayreon), and I haven't heard much of Octavarium. He does have his good moments though.

IMO, Geoff Tate would be a good replacement for La Brie in Dream Theater.

[ghettoeddo]

no labrie is fine where he is.

i find all those death and black metal vocalists to be irksome. maybe it's just me but i find nothing appealing about people growling and grunting into the mike and about 80% of the time, i can't even understand what they're saying.

[Arucard]

This must make you feel superior to us who actually voted for our favorite drummer. The fact is no one can make a top 10 list of anything, we people just prefer Carey and don't really give a rat's *** if he can't hit the cymbal in 22/7... :thumb:

Dude, all that he does is stupid time signatures that don't even sound good.

I prefer good drummers. Peart for example.

[Futuro]

Good list bro :cool:

I prefer good drummers.Meg white amirite?

[Cal_on_drums]

I voted for Carey even though I'm not a massive Tool fan. He has a very distictive song but the most impressive thing is his groove. It is absolutly incredible and that is where I personally see him as better than Portney but not necessarily Peart.

[Moses]

Dude, all that he does is stupid time signatures that don't even sound good.

I prefer good drummers. Peart for example.
Shut the **** up. Carey is a damn good drummer and his drumming is very tasteful to apparently many people. He's got really great influence, chops, and he's creative. I have no idea why you should complain about it. If you don't think it sounds good, fine, but he's a damn good drummer nonetheless.

Carey kicks Pearts rear end in the groove category.

[raz0r]

Dude, all that he does is stupid time signatures that don't even sound good.

Dude, you need to lay off whatever it is you're smoking.

Danny is one of the few drummers who can really make odd time signatures not sound odd. It flows so well, that you don't even notice it's an odd time signature unless you listen for it. That's the true mark of a great drummer.

[Syncratic]

Peart and Carey will always battle it out for the top two positions on any list.

No complaints here, except that Ginger Baker needs to be up some.

Dude, all that he does is stupid time signatures that don't even sound good.

I prefer good drummers. Peart for example.

Take it easy, buddy.

This is a poll on the Internet. No need for classic rock elitism.

[Lunch]

Arucard isn't exactly a "classic rock elitist".

[rhcp pman]

Dude, all that he does is stupid time signatures that don't even sound good.

I prefer good drummers. Peart for example.
I love Peart (and Rush), but what's wrong with Danny Carey? He's an awesome drummer.

[Arucard]

Good list bro :cool:

Meg white amirite?

Peart, Steve Gadd, Dennis Chambers, amirite?

[TEST]

Arucard isn't exactly a "classic rock elitist".
haha. Quoted for truth.

I think this thread has run it's course. A Mod should un sticky it now

[Futuro]

Peart, Steve Gadd, Dennis Chambers, amirite?
And Vinnie C can blow anyone out of the water :p But I dont see him here.

[deejuks2]

Im still sad Nick D'vargillio or Virgil Donati didnt' make it.

[Kingofdudes]

Dude, all that he does is stupid time signatures that don't even sound good.

I prefer good drummers. Peart for example.
Hey look it's Arucard bitching about something.

[k4t4lyst]

I think Peart and Carey should've been switched.

[ghettoeddo]

bah ppl say portnoy has no groove...


but i groove just fine to his beats :angry:

[Det_Nosnip]

That means that you probably don't groove. ;)

[gillygan]

Thank goodness Chris Adler didn't make it up their...

[Moses]

And Vinnie C can blow anyone out of the water :p But I dont see him here.
Dave Weckl is better than anyone mentioned ever.

[PinkFreud]

Nah, Vinnie C beats him fairly soundly.

[Moses]

Prove it.

[PinkFreud]

Well, Colaiuta's quite a bit more versatile, though both are session drummers, Weckl focuses mainly on jaz whereas Vinnie's branched out more. Weckl also seems to rely mainly on his chops where Vinnie has the chops and more but also makes his solos and parts interesting PAST where the chops end.

[Moses]

Weckl's chops > Colaiuta's

That's all I'm sayin'. Weckl is sick.

[PinkFreud]

You can think that but I think they have at least equal chops.

But that's all Weckl has.

[sgrevs]

Top job guys, that's a pretty fine list.

[ghettoeddo]

That means that you probably don't groove. ;)

*takes out lightsaber*
i groove more than your MOM grooves oh ZING.

zwing zwing.
it'd be the coolest thing ever to have a real lightsaber

[lost_profits]

Weckl's chops > Colaiuta's

That's all I'm sayin'. Weckl is sick.

This is stupid.
How do you know both men (Weckl and Colauita) have shown all their skills. Maybe Vinnie C. does a Drum solo in his bedroom that is the absolute best he's ever done. And vice versa with Weckl. How do you judge who has better chops? There could be some 18 year old kid out there that is better than both. But it means nothing. Colauita is more well-rounded than Weckl from what i'm gathering anyway.

Go Travis Barker!:chug:

[ghettoeddo]

maybe im a better drummer than travis barker :]
i wish.

[Kosmos Tree]

After seeing Tool; Danny Carey is a worthy champ: his drumming was mindblowing, he had it all: perfection, precision, power and groove.

[raz0r]

Weckl's chops > Colaiuta's

That's all I'm sayin'. Weckl is sick.
I wouldn't be so sure.
http://home.se.rr.com/petermiles/vinnie4bars.mpeg

Those are 32nd notes at 135, effortlessly splitting between hands + feet, with dynamics.
As awesome as Weckl is, he just can't stand up to those pure chops.
I'd say he's probably got Vinnie beat in the latin area, but then you've got Antonio Sanchez...

[metal_related_aneurysm]

Hmm. I reckon take Portnoy out, bump everyone below him up a spot and put in Brann Dailor. :smoke:

But then again, I'm a whalecore whore.

[pye phyo ko]

lars ulric

[StreetlightRock]

sucks?

[Moses]

I wouldn't be so sure.
http://home.se.rr.com/petermiles/vinnie4bars.mpeg
And Weckl can't do that? Please.

[Futuro]

I recently met Weckl actually. Ate dinner with him in Hollywood.

Comparing them is kinda worthless.

[raz0r]

I recently met Weckl actually. Ate dinner with him in Hollywood.

Comparing them is kinda worthless.
True. It's not like they're not both undeniably awesome anyway.

[krisq14]

Danny Carey shouldn't be first. Portnoy covers many different styles (Rock, Metal, Prog Rock/Metal, Pseudo-Latin, pop and I've seen him do reggae.) as does Peart (Rock, Metal, Pop, Prog Rock, Jazz and Big Band) and where the hell is Ed Shauggnessy? He is the WORLDS MOST VERSATILE DRUMMER, but on ability and creativity is not as good as Portnoy or Peart, who should be joint First. With Moon. Moon Rocks. Period.

[raz0r]

Danny Carey shouldn't be first. Portnoy covers many different styles (Rock, Metal, Prog Rock/Metal, Pseudo-Latin, pop and I've seen him do reggae.) as does Peart (Rock, Metal, Pop, Prog Rock, Jazz and Big Band) and where the hell is Ed Shauggnessy? He is the WORLDS MOST VERSATILE DRUMMER, but on ability and creativity is not as good as Portnoy or Peart, who should be joint First. With Moon. Moon Rocks. Period.
Creativity?

That one word, right there, just nullified your entire post.
Portnoy is the anti-epitome of creativity.

[Det_Nosnip]

I wouldn't be so sure.
http://home.se.rr.com/petermiles/vinnie4bars.mpeg

Those are 32nd notes at 135, effortlessly splitting between hands + feet, with dynamics.
As awesome as Weckl is, he just can't stand up to those pure chops.
I'd say he's probably got Vinnie beat in the latin area, but then you've got Antonio Sanchez...
Haha too true. That guy's on another plane entirely.


And Wekl can't do that? Please. Actually, if you talked with Dave, he'd probably tell you that he CAN'T do that. Weckl's a ridiculously smooth, clean player, and he probably has some of the cleanest chops around, but Vinnie...he's a madman. Have you heard the Document album by Karizma? Any of his clinics?

http://www.houseofdrumming.com/mp3s/VinnieClinic1.mp3
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/mp3s/vc_germany.mp3
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/pasqua/default.asp
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/mp3s/vinnieclinic2.mp3

[Arucard]

Hey look it's Arucard bitching about something.

:lol: that did actually make me laugh

But still, Dennis Chambers > all

[Det_Nosnip]

Err...Dennis is great, but he's no Colaiuta or Weckl.

[PinkFreud]

Dennis has some unbelievable chops and a great groove but he can go a little over the top too much. One of my favorites, though.

[ghettoeddo]

Creativity?

That one word, right there, just nullified your entire post.
Portnoy is the anti-epitome of creativity.

is he REALLY that uncreative? honestly people. honestly.
i cant think of any drummer that sounds like him and whether that's why people say he's uncreative, i dont know.

[raz0r]

is he REALLY that uncreative? honestly people. honestly.
i cant think of any drummer that sounds like him and whether that's why people say he's uncreative, i dont know.
Yes. Yes he is.
Also, Unique =/= Creative

[ghettoeddo]

what makes a drummer creative?
beats, grooves, fills that have never been done before? sound different from everyone else's?

[raz0r]

what makes a drummer creative?
beats, grooves, fills that have never been done before? sound different from everyone else's?
Not using the same fill in just about every damn song that you play?

At least 75% of his fills are just trading between hands and feet.

[Moses]

Not using the same fill in just about every damn song that you play?

At least 75% of his fills are just trading between hands and feet.
The trades he does are pretty simple too.

[Det_Nosnip]

Well, at least he does them over a gazillion drums. That counts for something, right? :rolleyes:

[inflames666]

Inferno from behemoth is easily top 10. I would still say he is number 1, and peart second with portnoy in 3rd. Nicko mcbrain should be higher too.

[Flynn]

Ingo Maier should of been first, gfy

[Apocalyptic Raids]

gfy?

[Stormrider]

go f*ck yourself ?

I'm not sure though. maybe it's farfetched :p

[Txus]

Ingo Maier should of been first, gfy
That's too much for Ingo even though I love the guy.

[Arucard]

Inferno from behemoth is easily top 10. I would still say he is number 1, and peart second with portnoy in 3rd. Nicko mcbrain should be higher too.

Yes, Inferno is brilliant.

DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA CRASH DA DA DA

oh wait

[ghettoeddo]

my stomach is gurgling like no other.
aint nuttin wrong w/ dadadadadacrashdadada :lol:

[Lord Abortion]

I love Peart (and Rush), but what's wrong with Danny Carey? He's an awesome drummer.
He's in ****ing Tool, that's why

[italic zero]

which explains why Adam Jones and Tool's first bassist went nowhere in the guitar and bass competitions.

[Lord Abortion]

I don't mind that as much, it was Maynard being even in the top 100 vocalists I had a problem with.

[ghettoeddo]

hey maynard's not THAT bad.
im not even that big a supporter of tool

[Txus]

Why is there all this Tool bashing? :upset:

[Darkness]

I don't mind that as much, it was Maynard being even in the top 100 vocalists I had a problem with.
Are you kidding me? Maynards an excellent vocalist. Obviously not the best, but still very good.

[eug008]

Mynards OK but he sounds **** in some songs