brown noise?

[sunshineplaysbass]

does anyone know about the "brown noise" that is supposedly a very low pitched sound that makes your bowels lose control? is it true?

[bottlerocket]

Are you kidding me? :lol:

There was a thread on something like this a while ago...if I recall, it actually generated civil discussion.

EDIT: Screw it. I'm feeling daring today. I'll leave this thread open. If I see ANY spam and/or idiotic posts (I'll be the judge), I will delete them and ban you for 3 days. You've been warned. Keep it civil AND intelligent (at least reasonably intelligent).

-Gav

[Mr. Pickle]

the brown note doesn't exist and i think you just made this thread to TRY and be funny

[Az_Holl]

Its been disproven on Myth Busters (not that i trust myth busters that much), but it could be possible i guess.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note

Wikipedia is your friend.
Actually, I didn't even read the article, but knock yourself out.

[White_Summer]

well i know mythbusters did a thing on it, i still believe its theoretically possible, i mean everything resonates, even flesh so why not right? the only thing is, that everyones frequency would be different i think. so there is no true 1 brown note sort of thing. but i consider it entirerly possible, i mean you can break glass with sound why not losen some bowels?

[WhoDidTheElf]

I think mythbusters said that while it's not a very pleasing feeling, that it won't make you crap your self.

[White_Summer]

mythbusters are about 30% accurate i would say when it comes to proving things, they only tested like three frequencies if a remember

[Mr. Pickle]

how could a frequency cause you to LOSE CONTROL of your bowels though? i understand it could shake you up pretty bad and what-not, but i just really don't see how you could lose control of your body.

[FunkMetalBass]

Well, as hardly credible as they are, the MythBusters proved that it is realistically impossible, but theoretically is 100% possible.

Everything in nature has a natural resonance, and matching it would cause it to vibrate rapidly and possibly rupture, I assume.

However, the decibel level required and the exact frequency would probably cause other damage LONG BEFORE it disrupted your colon's natural workings.

I really would love to see it though. Actually, even more so, I'd love to see one that gave a girl an orgasm, but that would be a completely different story.

[bottlerocket]

The brown note isn't the same thing as brown noise...that's one think I know. I'm pretty sure brown noise has to do with Brownian motion in physics. :p

-Gav

[FunkMetalBass]

mythbusters are about 30% accurate i would say when it comes to proving things, they only tested like three frequencies if a remember

Yeah, I don't know why they didn't try to figure out the natural resonance of Adam's colon.

[bottlerocket]

how could a frequency cause you to LOSE CONTROL of your bowels though? i understand it could shake you up pretty bad and what-not, but i just really don't see how you could lose control of your body.

Muscles cause your flesh to "resonate" when certain muscles move. For example, let's look at the sphincter, the muscle that controls the human anus. If that muscle were to have frequencies pumped through it, it could involuntary "spazm" in a sense and cause itself to open.

It's have to be an insanely low and powerful frequency, though.

-Gav

[FunkMetalBass]

The brown note isn't the same thing as brown noise...that's one think I know. I'm pretty sure brown noise has to do with Brownian motion in physics. :p

-Gav

You are correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_noise

[bottlerocket]

I'm the man. My A in AP Physics shows. :cool:

*reads article to see what he forgets about Brownian motion*

-Gav

[FunkMetalBass]

I pulled a B. :upset:

Did y'all actually discuss Brownian Motion or colored noises (in general) in that class?

[sunshineplaysbass]

Are you kidding me? :lol:

There was a thread on something like this a while ago...if I recall, it actually generated civil discussion.

EDIT: Screw it. I'm feeling daring today. I'll leave this thread open. If I see ANY spam and/or idiotic posts (I'll be the judge), I will delete them and ban you for 3 days. You've been warned. Keep it civil AND intelligent (at least reasonably intelligent).

-Gav

sorry dude, i haven't been on the forums long....plus i just heard the theory from a friend about a week ago...

[White_Summer]

i took advanced physics, we focued more on motion rather than sound however we briefly touched sound and did a whole big section on magnetism and anti-matter

[Mr. Pickle]

Muscles cause your flesh to "resonate" when certain muscles move. For example, let's look at the sphincter, the muscle that controls the human anus. If that muscle were to have frequencies pumped through it, it could involuntary "spazm" in a sense and cause itself to open.

It's have to be an insanely low and powerful frequency, though.

-Gav


ohh, ok.




well, regardless, to actually crap yourself i suppose a lot of things would have to 'involuntarily open' assuming they wouldn't all be tuned to the same frequency.

[bottlerocket]

sorry dude, i haven't been on the forums long....plus i just heard the theory from a friend about a week ago...

Dude, it's totally cool. :thumb:

I pulled a B. :upset:

Did y'all actually discuss Brownian Motion or colored noises (in general) in that class?

Colored noises in general.

well, regardless, to actually crap yourself i suppose a lot of things would have to 'involuntarily open' assuming they wouldn't all be tuned to the same frequency.

That's why a lot don't believe the theory. In order to deficate oneself, your bladder, large intestine, sphincter, AND one or two other muscles I can't remember, must be influenced. It's really a complex process that I doubt a simple frequeny could bypass.

-Gav

[FunkMetalBass]

That's why a lot don't believe the theory. In order to deficate oneself, your bladder, large intestine, sphincter, AND one or two other muscles I can't remember, must be influenced. It's really a complex process that I doubt a simple frequeny could bypass.

-Gav

Ahh yes, so the brown "note" is really a brown "chord."

[White_Summer]

well realistically the sphincter only needs to open for you to "lose control" because once it opens or ruptures you will be running for the bathroom(because when a human feels the "urge" to deficate, its mainly a signal from the sphincter saying saying to the brain "i'm open, do something about it"), sure you could hold it but if your not expecting it you may actually crap yourself.

[sunshineplaysbass]

Dude, it's totally cool. :thumb:
thanks bro.

[tomtom]

Ahh yes, so the brown "note" is really a brown "chord."
well, that's what i'm leaning towards. if the muscles need to be influenced where all the same density then it would just be the single note, but because every muscle is used differently and more/less often that others, the chances of all the required muscles being the same are very slim.

[lais817]

Actually, even more so, I'd love to see one that gave a girl an orgasm, but that would be a completely different story.

lol, isn't this why you guys started bass? I know it's why I did :p

okay, not really, but yeah. that ^^^ would be really cool. I think I watched some other show where they tried to prove the myth that wasn't Myth Busters, but I have a funny feeling it was Brainiac, so that's even less credible. Damn, thought I was onto something there for a moment. Back on topic, wouldn't it be cool if you COULD play a "brown note" on your bass? Way to finish a show.... :eek:

[FunkMetalBass]

lol, isn't this why you guys started bass? I know it's why I did :p

okay, not really, but yeah. that ^^^ would be really cool. I think I watched some other show where they tried to prove the myth that wasn't Myth Busters, but I have a funny feeling it was Brainiac, so that's even less credible. Damn, thought I was onto something there for a moment. Back on topic, wouldn't it be cool if you COULD play a "brown note" on your bass? Way to finish a show.... :eek:
Yeah.

"I hate emo kids. This is a hardcore deathmetal show! **brown noise sends all emo kids running to the bathroom. TRUE Hardcore metal fans don't NEED restrooms**"

Sorry about the tangent and emo-bashing, Gav.

I think it really would be cool to be able to realistically achieve the brown noise, and now I'm bent on proving it.

[sunshineplaysbass]

so in theory, if it made your sphincter spazz out, wouldn't it affect your other muscles too, and therefore you would have like a crazy full-body muscle spasm seizure thing? that might be a little confusing.....

[katana_manatee]

Yeah.

"I hate emo kids. This is a hardcore deathmetal show! **brown noise sends all emo kids running to the bathroom. TRUE Hardcore metal fans don't NEED restrooms**"

Sorry about the tangent and emo-bashing, Gav.

I think it really would be cool to be able to realistically achieve the brown noise, and now I'm bent on proving it.

So your saying true hardcore fans have skidmarks? :confused:

[Scooch]

I wouldn't take anything you see on Mythbusters as either true or false, there's way too many variables that they never test out and they jump to conclussions way to easily.

[katana_manatee]

I wouldn't take anything you see on Mythbusters as either true or false, there's way too many variables that they never test out and they jump to conclussions way to easily.

Agreed, the fact they only used three frequencies is extremely un scientific and the only way to really prove something is through the scientific method which these guys blissfully ignore for something else which makes cheap television.

I've always enjoyed the show though, fun to watch but you have to take a lot of it with a pinch of salt.

[Wintermute]

Brainiac did a thing on it, and it annoyed me greatly, because there was so much wrong with the way they did it. Thirty-something hertz is NOT subsonic. And they were hoping to get people at home to experience it, so they transmitted it along with loads of warnings and the like, but the average TV speaker won't go lower than around 50Hz. So that was a waste of time.

And then after all the huge amounts of buildup, they pretty much glossed over the actual results, never really properly telling the audience what had happened.

[katana_manatee]

Brainiac did a thing on it, and it annoyed me greatly, because there was so much wrong with the way they did it. Thirty-something hertz is NOT subsonic. And they were hoping to get people at home to experience it, so they transmitted it along with loads of warnings and the like, but the average TV speaker won't go lower than around 50Hz. So that was a waste of time.

And then after all the huge amounts of buildup, they pretty much glossed over the actual results, never really properly telling the audience what had happened.

Brainiac is complete crap. I remember they tried to see if ginger people or blonde people had a higher pain tolerance. So they get something like two ginger and two blonde people and did nipple cripples on them and the gingers lasted longest. And then they said that means ginger people had a higher pain tolerance. :rolleyes:

[nilon]

Brainiac is complete crap. I remember they tried to see if ginger people or blonde people had a higher pain tolerance. So they get something like two ginger and two blonde people and did nipple cripples on them and the gingers lasted longest. And then they said that means ginger people had a higher pain tolerance. :rolleyes:

Proper scientists did something similar, if I remember correctly I think Ginger people had a higher pain tolerance to everything, except electric shocks, in which the amount they could handle was about 33% of other people. The supposed reason was the melanin mutations that cause the gingerness (freckles and pale skin too). It was even in New Scientist...(not the greatest I know, but it's alright)

[Wintermute]

New Scientist is pretty good. I used to have a subscription.

[funkyhoney]

pretty sure braniac is the single worst show to ever grace the airwaves, i mean i've seen poor science before.. but seriously, it's pathetic

[Polyamarous]

I always thougt it had been proven to exist, but everyone had differnt frequencys at which it worked.
/Might be wrong.

[Damrod]

If it was actually proven and practicable, I think there would already be something like a "Brown Noise/Note/Chord/Whatever" weapon the US would be using against their enemies. 100% sure about that :thumb:

[lais817]

Brainiac did a thing on it, and it annoyed me greatly, because there was so much wrong with the way they did it. Thirty-something hertz is NOT subsonic. And they were hoping to get people at home to experience it, so they transmitted it along with loads of warnings and the like, but the average TV speaker won't go lower than around 50Hz. So that was a waste of time.

And then after all the huge amounts of buildup, they pretty much glossed over the actual results, never really properly telling the audience what had happened.
lol, man, I was freaking out so much during that part of the show, bc I wasn't quite sure if it would or wouldn't work. I had the toilet door lined up, and I was ready to run, no joke. Yeah, I'm easily lead on :rolleyes:

[lais817]

If it was actually proven and practicable, I think there would already be something like a "Brown Noise/Note/Chord/Whatever" weapon the US would be using against their enemies. 100% sure about that :thumb:
lol, so trueI'm so glad Australia is sucking the US's dick right now, otherwise we'd probably been "browned out" by now. Yeah, that's totally relevant...

[katana_manatee]

Infact I think the blondes won now I think about it... The thing is brainiac only used four people in a test, that can hardly be conclusive.

[BrodieBear]

righty ho folks, my lecturer at college discussed this with us last year.

definitive statement: Yes. It Exists.

right, sciency bit. anyone heard of something called Infrasound? it is basically what it seems, sound too low in frequency to be heard, polar opposite of ultrasound. Infrasound is used by very large church organs to cause an emotive response in the listener, because low frequency sound affects the body. you know people talk about "Feeling the bass" when it's down around
35-45 Hz? well this is like 10 Hz area. it's why organ music can give a sense of inspiration when heard live. for more detail, see link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3087674.stm

the brown note is an extreme example. ever been at a very very large concert with like a dub band, hip hop group, or five string bass playing band of any description, and really felt your lungs throbbing with the sheer ferocity of the low frequencies? same thing, it's just that that's at a higher frequency than the brown note. if someone recreated a brown note, you wouldn't just sh*t yourself, you would REALLY know about it, your whole torso area would be quite troubled. but it's not a single definitive note for everyone, it depends on body mass as well. a very skinny, light person, it's nigh on impossible to get them. a clinically obese person on the other hand could be affected by an 18-wheeler truck going by quite fast and quite close. it's all to do with sympathetic vibration.
if you play a G on the 5th fret of the D string, then mute the d string, the G string is still ringing a little? and the same thing with a crystal glass. if you get the note just right, you can make the glass shiver. bump the volume away up, and the glass shivers too hard and shivers itself apart, i.e. smashes. exact same thing with the brown note. as well as frequency, it's also amplitude. we experience infrasound every day, but never of a high enough amplitude. the earth is riddled with thousands of earthquakes every day, but we don't even feel most of them, let alone feel them enough.

the final problem with the brown note is reproduction of the sound. ever tried to downtune a 5string to A and play it through a 1watt 1.5" speaker? aint gonna happen! speaker just cant do it. a 15" speaker however, can handle it. same thing. Brown note, you're lookin at a speaker maybe ten feet across? the church organs i mentioned have pipes 3 or 4 feet across to do infrasound, but even they aint low enough to do the brown note.

so, to conclude. Yes, it's possible, but it depends on frequency with regards to body mass, amplitude, and also, i forgot to mention, prolonged exposure. not just a quick burst but like ten seconds of exposure.

it is however, nigh on impossible to artificially recreate, as it requires a very very large speaker, an ENORMOUSLY powerful power amp, the outrageous amount of power required to operate this amp, and something to actually generate a sine wave at like 1 Hz, which is difficult.

Theoretically possible? Yes. Definitely.
Practically Possible? Chances are extremely slim to none at best.

[katana_manatee]

I wonder if the army might create such a monster for the battle field... You could basically give a large amount of the opposing force dysentry(sp?) and they aren't exactly going to fight too well with gravy keks. They could do a slow sine wave sweep of infrasonic frequencies and that could thus affect everyone.

Of course, it is a silly idea, but fun to think up when you have nothing better to do for the best part of a half hour.

[Damrod]

This could be a new mean of peace bringer. War, people slashing away at each other, and the next moment everyone is crapping their pants. :lol:

[Wintermute]

and something to actually generate a sine wave at like 1 Hz, which is difficult.


All right until this point. It's easy. I used signal generators capable of 1Hz sounds every day in CommTech lab sessions. But THAT low in frequency, you do just hear click...click...click... once a second.

This could be a new mean of peace bringer. War, people slashing away at each other, and the next moment everyone is crapping their pants. :lol:

Did you know that Radar was originally intended as a weapon? It was thought that radar signals could fry German pilots as they came over the channel. Didn't work too well, but the side effects were almost as good. :)

[BrodieBear]

All right until this point. It's easy. I used signal generators capable of 1Hz sounds every day in CommTech lab sessions. But THAT low in frequency, you do just hear click...click...click... once a second.

well you've got me there, :p but i'm pretty sure i got the rest right.

[Damrod]

Did you know that Radar was originally intended as a weapon? It was thought that radar signals could fry German pilots as they came over the channel. Didn't work too well, but the side effects were almost as good. :)

Orly? Did not know that, but yeah, still kicked our ***. :)

[bottlerocket]

"I hate emo kids. This is a hardcore deathmetal show! **brown noise sends all emo kids running to the bathroom. TRUE Hardcore metal fans don't NEED restrooms**"

Sorry about the tangent and emo-bashing, Gav.

Hardcore and deathmetal are the total opposite. Hardcore is usually in the major scale and is upbeat. There's nothing "death metal" about it. :lol:

-Gav

[MyFriendOfMisery]

^He may have ment "hardcore" as in dedicated and extreme. Then again you could be right.

[FunkMetalBass]

Hardcore and deathmetal are the total opposite. Hardcore is usually in the major scale and is upbeat. There's nothing "death metal" about it. :lol:

-Gav

Oh yeah, I forgot "hardcore" was a genre. I meant it as somebody who is totally dedicated and into the music.

I apologize.

My only course of action now is go cut myself, or something for making myself look like a dipsh*t.

[slaughteredfirst]

Yeah, I think that if a note was loud enough it could cause muscle spasms but not you to **** yourself.


Oh if your sitting on your amp and you play a C or C sharp it does cause anus to feel tingly.

No joke.

Dont ask how I know....

[Esp Griffyn]

Disproven by Mythbusters, and instead of just theorising they actually carried out indepth practical tests with wave and sound experts, and nothing happened.

[NoOsH]

one of my friends is taking a class on radio broadcasting and he said something about their teacher saying that it was invented for somekindof war weapon, but something about it backfired and everyone ended up pooping themselves.... i donno, just something i heard, no idea if its true or not

[twankie]

i tend to believe brodie bear.

his post was easily the most well informed (or at least the best at faking well-informedness)

[Spencer]

Disproven by Mythbusters, and instead of just theorising they actually carried out indepth practical tests with wave and sound experts, and nothing happened.

ok you obviously didn't read the whole thread.

[lais817]

haha! I love how this thread is still going! Oh, and to the dude on the previous page...... seriously, that works. Play a C/C# really loudly and sit on you amp. Yeah. I was bored, so?

[pitchfork]

Many octaves below the C# audible to humans is supposed to be the noise.
I have downloaded it once, all I got was a lot of gas and that was with the subwoofer near clipping.

[Guinpen]

the final problem with the brown note is reproduction of the sound. ever tried to downtune a 5string to A and play it through a 1watt 1.5" speaker? aint gonna happen! speaker just cant do it. a 15" speaker however, can handle it. same thing. Brown note, you're lookin at a speaker maybe ten feet across? the church organs i mentioned have pipes 3 or 4 feet across to do infrasound, but even they aint low enough to do the brown note.

this reminds me of a link to a 10-foot (or however many it was specifically) subwoofer by MTX that was posted here a while back. if someone could find it again, that would be neat

[Damrod]

Many octaves below the C# audible to humans is supposed to be the noise.
I have downloaded it once, all I got was a lot of gas and that was with the subwoofer near clipping.

:lol:

"Today on Operah live: The internet gave me gas! Shocking stories and discussion about the new menace"

Sorry, could not resist :D

[BrodieBear]

i tend to believe brodie bear.

his post was easily the most well informed (or at least the best at faking well-informedness)

Foiled Again!


actually, no, honestly, that wasn't made up, we're doin sound engineering and acoustics at college, and that was just randomly discussed for an hour one day.


with regards to the "wouldn't make your sphincter open" statements, i don't think that's how it works. it's not that it relaxes muscles or causes them to spasm, it just f*cks around with your lower torso, mixing things up a bit. short exposure would make you just feel a bit "oooooooooooooooooooh:( " but prolonged exposure means toilet time. it's not the muscles, it's just your stomach and intestines get a bit rogered when your not lookin.

[Esp Griffyn]

mythbusters are about 30% accurate i would say when it comes to proving things, they only tested like three frequencies if a remember

Actually, they went up and down between like 10 and 40 Hz and even turned the speakers up to like 140DBs and took the padding out of them to get them louder, to see if they could use sound to literally pound adams bowels into submission.

[thelowsoundofbass]

Actually, they went up and down between like 10 and 40 Hz and even turned the speakers up to like 140DBs and took the padding out of them to get them louder, to see if they could use sound to literally pound adams bowels into submission.

140dbs wouldn't do it. 140 will damage your ear, but not much else. For sound to affect your body and tissue it has to be above 160dbs, and at that it will make you puke way faster than it will make you poop yourself.

lowsound

[tim_commerfordism]

No.

[BassVirtuoso]

http://horrorblog.4xd.net/wp-content/whitenoise.jpg

This is what we should be worrying about guys. Dead people IMing us with their voice and killing us and stuff. We have to put an end to this.

[LambofDeth]

I heard white noise once...actually it was just my wireless headphones picking up an AM radio show, but it i tossed those things so far off my head, something about terrorism i was like WTF this ain't Hatebreed!
As far as the brown noise or note or chord whatnot goes, theoretically it makes sense, but couldn't a frequency this low trigger other more harmful effects, like say make your heart skip a beat, or trigger a vertebrae or something? I mean pooping yourself sucks and all but, really compared to death?