Kerrang! top 25. - Read inside before doing anything else!

[Mr. Black]

Now, I know we all hate Kerrang! and how it's a silly magazine, with ridiculous views on our love. But please, read on, and hear me out.

Now, as some of you know I was in hospital with Pneumonia the last two days, and I'm still recovering a bit. So, when I was there, my loving relations bought me some mags amongst other things, one of which was Kerrang!, so I flipped through it, and noticed that this week it was Kerrang!'s 25th birthday and they'd done a top 25 artist's of the last 25 years.

25. Motorhead
24. RATM
23. Emperor
22. Marilyn Manson
21. Def Leppard
20. Slipknot
19. Soundgarden
18. Black Flag
17. Napalm Death
16. Fugazi
15. NIN
14. Blink 182
13. Judas Priest
12. Korn
11. Bon Jovi
10. Nirvana
9. Pantera
8. FNM
7. Slayer
6. Ozzy
5. Green Day
4. AC/DC
3. Metallica
2. Gn'R
1. Iron Maiden

So, what would you change in this list, who would you take out? Who would you leave in? Who would you move up or down the list?

Note - Kerrang! judged their list on how Impacting and Inspirational the artists are.

[Stevie]

Who's Emporer?

Anyway, these lists are meaningless.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I love how Kerrang! have jumped on the whole 'metal is cool' bandwagon.

Oh, Kerrang! and its trends.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Note - Kerrang! judged their list on how Impacting and Inspirational the artists are.
I think Judas Priest should be higher then.

[Stevie]

Except these days Metal is very uncool.

[Six Foot Revolver]

Except these days Metal is very uncool.
Not really, everyone seems to be obsessing over the mainstream metal bands like Slayer and Pantera these days.

[GenuineImitation]

25. Motorhead
24. RATM
23. Emporer
22. Marilyn Manson
21. Def Leppard
20. Slipknot
19. Soundgarden
18. Black Flag
17. Napalm Death
16. Fugazi
15. NIN
14. Blink 182
13. Judas Priest
12. Korn
11. Bon Jovi
10. Nirvana
9. Pantera
8. FNM
7. Slayer
6. Ozzy
5. Green Day
4. AC/DC
3. Metallica
2. Gn'R
1. Iron Maiden


Note - Kerrang! judged their list on how Impacting and Inspirational the artists are.


Green Day and Blink-182 inspirational?

[Stevie]

Oh yeah, there are many trendy metal bands, but ask the average teenager and they won't know who Iron Maiden are, at least in my experience.

[jpshortstuff]

what GI said.

how did Green Day make 5th?

[Happy]

Green Day and Blink-182 inspirational?
Yeah they inspired countless crappy teen bands.
Crappy or not, it's inspiration.

[GenuineImitation]

Yeah they inspired countless crappy teen bands.
Crappy or not, it's inspiration.

The way I saw it was inspirational in terms of lyrical content and such. I guess your right then.


They still dont belong on the list though. They stick out like sore thumbs.

[Mr. Black]

The way I saw it was inspirational in terms of lyrical content and such. I guess your right then.


They still dont belong on the list though. They stick out like sore thumbs.
Yes they do.
And, Preist should be further up the list.

[Six Foot Revolver]

As much as I love FNM how could they possibly be higher than Motorhead and Nirvana. I'd think they would be in the top 5.

[Lord Abortion]

They made Iron Maiden number one...that's accurate at least.

[Mr. Black]

As much as I love FNM how could they possibly be higher than Motorhead and Nirvana. I'd think they would be in the top 5.
I'm very suprised Motorhead are in there at the bottom, and who the hell are Emporer?

[Dave de Sylvia]

GNR :-D

[GenuineImitation]

I'm very suprised Motorhead are in there at the bottom, and who the hell are Emporer?



Maybe they meant Emperor?

[clearvision]

I'd have put both tool and the melvins in somewhere. Maybe opeth and in flames too, though not as much.

[Mazeppa]

The fact that Slipknot is on there automatically voids the list.

[clearvision]

Why?

I'd say they are a pretty important band to me. They helped shape my listening tastes bridging the gap between pop-rock and heavier metal. I'm usre many people would agree, making them an important band in RnM wether you think they suck or not. no?

[Mazeppa]

No, I don't want my metal any closer to pop-rock at all thanks.

[Det_Nosnip]

Now, I know we all hate Kerrang! and how it's a silly magazine, with ridiculous views on our love. But please, read on, and hear me out.

Now, as some of you know I was in hospital with Pneumonia the last two days, and I'm still recovering a bit. So, when I was there, my loving relations bought me some mags amongst other things, one of which was Kerrang!, so I flipped through it, and noticed that this week it was Kerrang!'s 25th birthday and they'd done a top 25 artist's of the last 25 years.

25. Motorhead
24. RATM
23. Emporer
22. Marilyn Manson
21. Def Leppard
20. Slipknot
19. Soundgarden
18. Black Flag
17. Napalm Death
16. Fugazi
15. NIN
14. Blink 182
13. Judas Priest
12. Korn
11. Bon Jovi
10. Nirvana
9. Pantera
8. FNM
7. Slayer
6. Ozzy
5. Green Day
4. AC/DC
3. Metallica
2. Gn'R
1. Iron Maiden

So, what would you change in this list, who would you take out? Who would you leave in? Who would you move up or down the list?

Note - Kerrang! judged their list on how Impacting and Inspirational the artists are.

Emperor (I assume) is behind Green Day, Marilyn Manson, Ozzy, AC/DC, Blink 182, Slipknot, and Korn. Summary: this list is void.

[John Paul Harrison]

So..are they claiming more people have been influenced by Green Day than Nirvana? That doesn't sound correct to me.

[PAJJ]

meh that's a fairly good list for a magazine, and they got it right with Maiden at number 1.

[Arucard]

The fact that Iron Maiden came first shows that Kerrang might actually be listening to music these days, instead of just writing about it.

[Scoot]

Maiden > everything on that list because everything on that list except for Maiden and Judas Priest sucks

[Lord Abortion]

Maiden > everything on that list because everything on that list except for Maiden and Judas Priest sucks
And Motorhead, some Emperor, Slayer and Nepalm Death.

The rest fellate Penis.

[PAJJ]

Motorhead, RATM, Soundgarden, Black Flag, Judas Priest, Nirvana, FNM, Gn'R, are all also pretty good in my book.

[Scoot]

And Motorhead, some Emperor, Slayer and Nepalm Death.

The rest fellate Penis.

Slayer is decent, Motorhead is decent, Emperor is pretty good if I remember and yeah I must have not seen Napalm Death.

[spoon_of_grimbo]

FNM should be higher, not only because theyre one of the most original and genre-spanning bands of the last 25 years, but also because kerrang voted "angel dust" the "most influentual album ever" a while back, and these sort of lists should be backing each other up, not contradicting!

[PinkFreud]

Faith No More should definitely be higher. And Black Flag below...well...a lot of the bands they're below? Yeah, right.

[crag]

Maiden at #1:)

nice to see Kerrang getting something right.

[i am the robots]

So, what would you change in this list, who would you take out? Who would you leave in? Who would you move up or down the list?

I'd change the entire list, maybe move Iron Maiden down a bit.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I'm not going to bother bashing this list, as it is obviously bad enough on it's own.

[Nostalgia]

Not really, everyone seems to be obsessing over the mainstream metal bands like Slayer and Pantera these days.
New Slayer might be, but when you get into stuff like Show No Mercy, it's not that popular.

If you're gonna judge Slayer by their music, don't do it by their populairty when it comes to albums like God Hates Us all.

[Shred Danson]

That's just the thing; lists like these seem to do with mainstream popularity. Emperor being mentioned really surprised me, they seem like the one band that doesn't belong on the list.

[Nostalgia]

Though it's a terrible list, you know they're not gonna get into actual good bands, they're gonna focus on the mainstream, heavy bands.

As far as I know, that Metal Maniacs magazine isn't too bad. But I'm just judging from the issue I saw.

[Kage]

Oh yeah, there are many trendy metal bands, but ask the average teenager and they won't know who Iron Maiden are, at least in my experience.
Are you kidding me? Iron Maiden is among the trendy bands of the moment. Right now it's "in" to be classic rock/metal lover.

[Nostalgia]

Yeah, but their defenition of Metal music is far less then ours.

[randomthought9]

yeah like did you ever see vh1's heavy:the story of metal? most of those bands aren't even metal, their hard rock.

these lists are always wrong, i don't even bother with them.

[2muchket!]

Marilyn Manson more inspirational than RATM fu'ck off................

Ya know as Kerrang seem to be on the emo/pop-punk bandwagon ATM I'm very surprised they didn't put FOB or god forbid Hawthorne Heights in there.

But heres to fugazi getting some recognition.

[Reywas]

THE VELVET UNDERGROUND is not on the list.

[PinkFreud]

Probably because they weren't in the past 25 years.


Duh.

[superpeer]

25. Motorhead -- Acceptable entry, they were important and Lemmy rules
24. RATM -- Eh, I can live with it, probably not top 25, though
23. Emporer -- Emperor, I assume. Eh, not really, not an awful entry, though.
22. Marilyn Manson -- Nah, definitely not top 25
21. Def Leppard -- Nah
20. Slipknot -- Not really
19. Soundgarden -- Good call
18. Black Flag -- Important band, good call
17. Napalm Death -- Also important band, Pretty good entry
16. Fugazi -- Not very familiar with them, but from what I hear they are influential
15. NIN -- Yawn
14. Blink 182 -- What?
13. Judas Priest -- Meh
12. Korn -- Eh
11. Bon Jovi -- Go away
10. Nirvana -- Agreed
9. Pantera -- Average band
8. FNM -- Good entry
7. Slayer -- Influential, pretty good band
6. Ozzy -- Meh, Ozzy is a sell out
5. Green Day -- at 5? No way
4. AC/DC -- Funniest band ever =/= influential, good, ...
3. Metallica -- I suppose so
2. Gn'R -- No, just no
1. Iron Maiden -- Nay

[SubtleDagger]

Probably because they weren't in the past 25 years.


Duh.
Also they're boring.

[burton.and.gas]

They made Iron Maiden number one...that's accurate at least.
Maiden have influenced bands, but hose bands tend to suck, as do maiden

[Lord Abortion]

Maiden have influenced bands, but hose bands tend to suck, as do maiden
Just what are you doing in here anyway?
Mr I have a punk avatar?

R&M is a place for sensible opinion...if you are suggesting pretty much every metal band ever sucks, you are sadly mistaken and not at all welcome here.

[Neurotoxin]

For a magazine list it wasn't overly bad. Nice to see Maiden in first, though.

[JamJar]

Yay, Maiden at 1! Maiden are pretty much the sole reason that harmonized guitar riffs are as popular as they are.

[superpeer]

Iron Maiden mainly influenced the melodic metal bands (Power Metal, melodic death). Not EVERY metal band. Punk influenced at least as many metal bands, by the way, not that Killing Joke is really punk.

[SubtleDagger]

Killing Joke started out punk and moved on to... different stuff.
Yay, Maiden at 1! Maiden are pretty much the sole reason that harmonized guitar riffs are as popular as they are.
I take it you've never heard the crap that is Boston?

[=-fukifiknow-=]

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[Neurotoxin]

Don't forget about Thin Lizzy.

[PinkFreud]

Also they're boring.
So's your face.

Better get some ice on that burn. :p

[Lord Abortion]

Iron Maiden mainly influenced the melodic metal bands (Power Metal, melodic death). Not EVERY metal band. Punk influenced at least as many metal bands, by the way, not that Killing Joke is really punk.
Maiden influenced bands along the line.

Slayer started out as a Maiden cover band, and without Slayer, there would be a very different inspiration for the Florida Death scene. Slayer even played The phantom of the opera live up until about the Raining blood era. Then without Scream Bloody Gore, Darkthrone, for example wouldn't be the same, Mayhem were a Metallica cover band, another act influenced heavily by Maiden and the rest of the NWOBHM.
So they influenced bands who then influenced others and so on.

[KRASH]

wouldn't have half the bands they have their in it thats for sure

[superpeer]

Slayer doesn't sound anything like Maiden though. Eh, even if they did influence everyone indirectly, they should still be thrown off the list for being sucky. :p

[Lord Abortion]

There's just no convincing you, is there?

[Mr. Black]

Just what are you doing in here anyway?
Mr I have a punk avatar?

R&M is a place for sensible opinion...if you are suggesting pretty much every metal band ever sucks, you are sadly mistaken and not at all welcome here.
Yeah, You Tell Him Oliver!

[6Stringer]

I'm impressed they put Fugazi, Black Flag and Napalm Death on there. Good call on them. The rest of the list isn't really that great except for Maiden.

[Mazeppa]

Maiden influenced bands along the line.

Slayer started out as a Maiden cover band, and without Slayer, there would be a very different inspiration for the Florida Death scene. Slayer even played The phantom of the opera live up until about the Raining blood era. Then without Scream Bloody Gore, Darkthrone, for example wouldn't be the same, Mayhem were a Metallica cover band, another act influenced heavily by Maiden and the rest of the NWOBHM.
So they influenced bands who then influenced others and so on.
I could've sworn they started out as a Judas Priest cover band.

[superpeer]

There's just no convincing you, is there?

Probably not. :)

I admit that they probably deserve a spot in the top 25 for being influential, but surely not number 1. That's just to please the Maiden kiddies. As someone said before they are becoming really really popular again. Everyone wears their (ugly) shirts.

I could've sworn they started out as a Judas Priest cover band.

Dragonslayer was formed in late 1981, by Los Angeles schoolmates Tom Araya and Kerry King. A drummer, Dave Lombardo, was quickly found, and Jeff Hanneman was brought in as a second guitarist later in 1981. The band at this point changed their name simply to "Slayer". They played in a style reminiscent of early Exodus, influenced heavily by Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, before their attendance at a mid-1982 Metallica concert convinced them to play faster and heavier. -- Metal-archives

So it was actually Metallica. :eek: Who were influenced by Punk. :cool:

[Mr. Black]

Which bands did G n'R Influence?

was it stuff like 90's Grunge and Alt Rock or what?

[Lord Abortion]

I could've sworn they started out as a Judas Priest cover band.
I may be mistaken on that score, but they did play Phantom live alot.
I remember reading that for sure.

[superpeer]

Which bands did G n'R Influence?

was it stuff like 90's Grunge and Alt Rock or what?

No. They didn't.

They influenced people to jump off high buildings, most likely.

[SubtleDagger]

I love Fugazi and all but is there something Kerrang has against Minor Threat?

[superpeer]

Not to mention leaving out Hüsker Dü and the Pixies.

[SubtleDagger]

Given their Nirvana worship, you'd think The Pixies would get a spot. Husker Du of course deserves one.

I don't take umbrage with about half of the picks but the other half are just so wrong.

[Mr. Black]

No. They didn't.

They influenced people to jump off high buildings, most likely.
I've come to realise that they seemingly influenced nobody. Lol.

[superpeer]

Yep and Yep.

NP: Mozart - 1. Introitus, Requiem Aeternam

[Mr. Black]

Don't forget about Thin Lizzy.
Yeh they shouldn't be there, I believe. All there great stuff was in the 70's and, Lynott died in 86, I believe.

[i am the robots]

All this Hüsker Dü loving makes me quite happy.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Yeh they shouldn't be there, I believe. All there great stuff was in the 70's and, Lynott died in 86, I believe.
Lynnot was pretty much single-handedly responsible for the popularity of dual-harmonic leads in metal- Maiden and Metallica were particularly influenced.

Which bands did G n'R Influence?
Carrie Underwood.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yeah, but their defenition of Metal music is far less then ours.

Emperor did make the list, mind you.

That one surprised me.

[Electric City]

Motorhead lost to a band that uses a song with a line "Ejaculate into a sock!"

America. **** YEAH!

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Motorhead lost to a band that uses a song with a line "Ejaculate into a sock!"

America. **** YEAH!

Yeah, look at how influential that band was. I mean, 95% of men have or do masturbate.

It makes complete sense now, doesn't it?

[Electric City]

Ohh, the brilliance of Blink 182. I get it now.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Slayer started out as a Maiden cover band, and without Slayer, there would be a very different inspiration for the Florida Death scene. Slayer even played The phantom of the opera live up until about the Raining blood era.
Slayer used to cover both Maiden and Priest in the very early days, but they were very quick to begin writing originals. You can hear much more Priest in Slayer's sound than Maiden though, and Slayer did a cover of Dissident Aggressor on South Of Heaven.

Listen to a song like The Ripper, then listen to anything off Show No Mercy and you can directly see the influence.

[ChrisAdlerisGod]

Where is System of a Down!!!! They deserve a spot on this list more than all those pop punk bands. Same with Rage Against the machine IMO they should be a bit further up.

[Deth]

The Ripper \m/

Early Slayer \m/

NP: All Guns Blazing \m/

[Apocalyptic Raids]

\m/

<3

[Baudelaire]

Ya but assuming that Kerrang! is a magizine that a lot of teenagers read I'm pretty sure both Blink and GD are bigger influences then SOAD who haven't been around long and RATM who don't appeal to many kids until after the person has went through the blink and GD phase.
Then again I have never heard of Kerrang! before so I don't know what the typical reader is.

[Deth]

It's a semi-mainstream rock magazine, so it appeals to SOAD fans just as much as Green Day fans.

Well, thinking about it, it's really mainstream.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Ya but assuming that Kerrang! is a magizine that a lot of teenagers read I'm pretty sure both Blink and GD are bigger influences then SOAD who haven't been around longd RATM.
Then again I have never heard of Kerrang! before so I don't know what the typical reader is

Since when is eight years not a long time? And that's only since their first official release.

[ChrisAdlerisGod]

Ya but assuming that Kerrang! is a magizine that a lot of teenagers read I'm pretty sure both Blink and GD are bigger influences then SOAD who haven't been around long and RATM who don't appeal to many kids until after the person has went through the blink and GD phase.
Then again I have never heard of Kerrang! before so I don't know what the typical reader is.
I guess your right.........though its quite sad that GD and BLINK get ahead of my 2 most influential bands, RATM and SOAD..................:upset: :upset: :upset:

[Baudelaire]

Since when is eight years not a long time? And that's only since their first official release.
Ya and how long have they been popular amoung thousands of teens?
Four? Five maybe?
Compared to Blink-182 and Green Day. I mean Green Day has been pretty popular since '92 and blink-182 since at least '99.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I'm sure they were popular among thousnads with the release of "Spiders" in 1998. Their debut did go platinum, they just became better known after Toxicity. That said, I can see the point you're trying to make, and it is logial.

[lucky luciano]

:eek: Blink 182! Well at least they have a sense of humor. In my opinion, take Iron Maidon out of that number one spot and put Tool or GnR there. Then, take most of the other bands out of there and give Primus a spot somewhere.:thumb:

[PinkFloyd]

id put soundgarden ahead of any of the bands

[lucky luciano]

Really? Any of the bands on the list or any bands of the last 25 years?

[PepsiMetal]

Hmm, it's an ok list i guess. A little bit of everything.

My top 3 on that list would be:

1. Metallica
2. Iron Maiden
3. Judas Priest

[Mr. Black]

:eek: Blink 182! Well at least they have a sense of humor. In my opinion, take Iron Maidon out of that number one spot and put Tool or GnR there. Then, take most of the other bands out of there and give Primus a spot somewhere.:thumb:
Tool have a long way to go before being the most Influential band of the last 25 years.

*Iron Maiden.

And, did you really read the thread?

[2muchket!]

RATM would be a close 2nd on my list with maiden being first.

[randomthought9]

Tool have a long way to go before being the most Influential band of the last 25 years.

*Iron Maiden.

And, did you really read the thread?

Tool should be on the list though, they were probably a big influence on bands like Chevelle and Taproot, those kinds of bands.

In my opinion the most influential band of the past 25 years is Metallica, I mean look how many kids play Metallica riffs in music stores, and how many bands have been influenced by them. Whether you like them or not isn't the question, they are a very influential band.

[Zengeance]

Why isn't Kyuss on that list? When I think of influential.... I think of Kyuss.

[Scoot]

Tool should be on the list though, they were probably a big influence on bands like Chevelle and Taproot, those kinds of bands.

In my opinion the most influential band of the past 25 years is Metallica, I mean look how many kids play Metallica riffs in music stores, and how many bands have been influenced by them. Whether you like them or not isn't the question, they are a very influential band.

Nothing I hate more than.

[Silenius]

Hehe, it's funny how horribly bad these lists are and how blatantly it has nothing to do with music. Funny huh?

[ghettoeddo]

except it has everything to do with mainstream music today.

just because it's mainstream doesn't mean it's ****. that's waht those indie kids say. i literally ask them "would you still listen to a band if it became mainstream?" and tehy go "hell no they're not indie anymore even if the music doesn't change."

but back on topic.
metallica was the band that made me go get a guitar. and enter sandman/nothing else matters were some of the first songs i learned.
when i first picked up a guitar, i thought kirk hammett was well. god.

i know i speak for many other people around the world, so in that sense...metallica/maiden/nirvana/green day all deserve to be on there.

[Silenius]

Those indie kids wtf?


This is a popularity contest obviously, I can name bands that are more technical, more catchy, more epic, more everything than those listed.

[ghettoeddo]

yesyes but what about INFLUENTIAL?
dream theater is a band people constantly bash for being overly technical and mechnical on these forums (im their biggest fan :smoke:), but i don't think they deserve a spot on the top 25.

[Silenius]

top 25 artist's of the last 25 years.
Where did you get influential from?

Sure influential plays a role but then what about Venom, Celtic Frost and Burzum?


Many of the bands make music that a person could make after a few months of learning guitar like Blink and Green day. A further point of the retardedness is that Emperor is definitely not the greatest or most influential band in Black metal by a long shot.

[Drunken Viking]

Ah yes, but Varg killed someone so in Kerrang!'s eyes he's a bad role model.

[ghettoeddo]

Where did you get influential from?

Sure influential plays a role but then what about Venom, Celtic Frost and Burzum?


Many of the bands make music that a person could make after a few months of learning guitar like Blink and Green day. A further point of the retardedness is that Emperor is definitely not the greatest or most influential band in Black metal by a long shot.

have venom, celtic frost and burzum been influential?
i just hit a bug but it lived and ran away....
perhaps they are "better music" to you, but who has spawned more bands? metallica or burzum? do you hear more people playing nirvana in a guitar store or some venom licks?

whether or not anyone can create a 3-power chord song like GD and blink isn't the point. they did it. adn they made many more follow them. MANY more. and that is why they are on the top 25.

[Shadius]

Green Day and Blink-182 inspirational?

Green Day brought pop punk to the mainstream big time for most people. So.. yeah. They are.

Blink on the other hand, brought the extra whiney brand to the mainstream.

[deathscreamingsheep]

I don't think this list is that bad at all. I don't really like a lot of the bands, but I know enough people who are influenced by them and listen to them regularly.

Plus I don't get the argument that Green Day and Blink shouldn't be on that. How many 13 year olds have started a band after listening to them? A lot. They may then start listening to other things and so on but many were inspired to start a band after listening to this sort of thing.

I'd shift around a few things but I don't think the list was that bad at all.

[Dimebag Johnny Patton]

Yes they do.
And, Preist should be further up the list.
But Priest were more inspirational more than 25 years ago.

[Moses]

I've never read a Kerrang in my life.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I own two. I bought them on a family holiday a couple of years ago.

>_>

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have venom, celtic frost and burzum been influential?
i just hit a bug but it lived and ran away....
perhaps they are "better music" to you, but who has spawned more bands? metallica or burzum? do you hear more people playing nirvana in a guitar store or some venom licks?
Venom are incredibly influential.

Though I can understand them not being on the list. If it were "The Most Influential Metal Bands of the last 25 years" then they would definitely deserve to be on there.

But Priest were more inspirational more than 25 years ago.
Yeah.... but all the bands they've influenced are from the last 25 years, and the early 80's Priest material is still very important. Not to mention Painkiller...

[Moses]

I don't even really know what they're like, except for what people say in here.

[2muchket!]

Really for Kerrang that is a good list.

[Jerzzzey]

Replace Bon Jovi with Tool and the list then goes from a complete joke to just sh!tty.

[PinkFreud]

How has Tool been that influential?

[Jerzzzey]

And let me add that GNR f*cking OWNS!!!

[Shadius]

How has Tool been that influential?

To some nu-metal and some hard rock, ie: Staind, they were quite influential.

Though I don't think they should be in the top 25 most influential artists of the last 25 years, maybe low dwn if they were.

[Mr. Black]

And let me add that GNR f*cking OWNS!!!
No.

I don't think Tool should be in there at all personally, they've not been around long in the mainstream enough to influence a great many bands.

[Shadius]

No.

I don't think Tool should be in there at all personally, they've not been around long in the mainstream enough to influence a great many bands.

They've been influencing people since Undertow, Staind being a good example. That's 93.

There's a case for influence, but I agree, they wouldn't be in the top 25 most likely.

[Kyle]

Pretty poor list, but it could be a lot worse.

Bands that definately shouldn't be on there
Korn
Bon Jovi
Blink 182
Def Leppard
Marrilyn Manson

Good Calls
Faith No More
GNR
'Tallica
Fugazi
Maiden
RATM

Btw, Who has been genuinely influenced by Def Leppard....seriously who? If you've got a disability then you don't count.

[Scoot]

Influential does not equal good.

[Kyle]

Influential does not equal good.No, but the TS said the poll was based on influence.

[Scoot]

No, but the TS said the poll was based on influence.

True, but I'm stating an opinion on the fact that just because artists like Tool are influential not everyone likes them.

[Kyle]

True, but I'm stating an opinion on the fact that just because artists like Tool are influential not everyone likes them.Yeah, but surely a lot of people do like them aswell? Tool are a hugely popular band.

[Mr. Black]

Pretty poor list, but it could be a lot worse.

Errm, where the hell are the beatles?!?!?

Other than that major exclusion, the following artists should not be there:
Bands that definately shouldn't be on there
Korn
Bon Jovi
Blink 182
Def Leppard
Marrilyn Manson

Good Calls
Faith No More
GNR
'Tallica
Fugazi
Maiden
RATM

Btw, Who has been genuinely influenced by Def Leppard....seriously who? If you've got a disability then you don't count.
Last 25 years man.

[Kyle]

Last 25 years man.heh, oh yeah.

/Goes to edit post.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Korn
Bon Jovi
Blink 182

Lots of people have been influenced by these bands.

[Kyle]

Lots of people have been influenced by these bands.True, but I could think of bands with more influence.

I think the Smashing Pumpkins for example, have probably had a greater influence on Korn. Bon Jovi are the same as Def Leppard, I can't see too many abnds out there right now that appear to be directly influence by bon Jovi. And sure Blink 182 have had a pretty big influence, but I'd say bands like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers have had just as much influence, in the last 25 years, and they're not on the list. I'd leave Greenday in, but you're asking to much of me to leave them both :lol:.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Its an okay list, I think Metallica should be #1 though, they've inspired more bands than Maiden. Thats not to say I dislike Maiden, I think they're amazing and would have them in the top 3 but for me, Metallica would be #1.

Notice that the TS added at the bottom of the first post that not only was it 'inspiration', but also 'Impacting'. You could argue that Foo Fighters and (I hate to say this but...) RHCP should be on there as they've had a big impact on modern rock music. Hmm, they could be on there but also couldn't so I'm unsure.

Very surprised Napalm Death and Emperor got on there though.

NOTE : sorry to all you RHCP fans out there but I just never really liked them.

[lucky luciano]

No.

I don't think Tool should be in there at all personally, they've not been around long in the mainstream enough to influence a great many bands.

They've been maintsteam for just as long as Rage and Manson, and longer than Blink 182, so what sense does that make? They have also influenced artists that have been around longer than they have, which I think says a little more than influencing a 13 year old kid to pick up a guitar.

And yes, I agree now that they shouldn't be number one, but they should be on there, same with the chili peppers, primus and Van Halen (if they were to fall within the 25 year period.)

[Matt?]

I love how Kerrang! have jumped on the whole 'metal is cool' bandwagon.

Oh, Kerrang! and its trends.
that's not a bandwagon... no one that doesn't play d and d really likes metal

[Crysiss]

Why?

I'd say they are a pretty important band to me. They helped shape my listening tastes bridging the gap between pop-rock and heavier metal. I'm usre many people would agree, making them an important band in RnM wether you think they suck or not. no?

I dont know if your talking about slipknot but that applied to me.

2 years ago I was listening to them thinking that they were the greatest thing. I now think different

[Silenius]

have venom, celtic frost and burzum been influential?
i just hit a bug but it lived and ran away....
perhaps they are "better music" to you, but who has spawned more bands? metallica or burzum? do you hear more people playing nirvana in a guitar store or some venom licks?

whether or not anyone can create a 3-power chord song like GD and blink isn't the point. they did it. adn they made many more follow them. MANY more. and that is why they are on the top 25.
What does this have to do with top 25?!?! Being a top band doesnt mean hundreds of shitheads copy you, it means that you are a good musician/band. I simply named those bands since they are great bands and very influential in their genre.


Without an understanding of these bands and their genres this is not apparent however since the people who argue for the greatness of most of these Top 25 bands are malldwellers. ;)

[encmetalhead]

how about the band called the jimi hendrix experience or just jimi himself?

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Hey, it's VictoryRecordsFan. I hate Burzum. Yep.

[encmetalhead]

hey it's someone who can't read

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Oh calm down, kid. You've still got that winning sense of humor. Wait, actually that was terrible. Anyway, the list was bad, but it could have been far worse in retrospect.

[encmetalhead]

i wasnt trying to be funny, now was i?

[burton.and.gas]

Just what are you doing in here anyway?
Mr I have a punk avatar?

R&M is a place for sensible opinion...if you are suggesting pretty much every metal band ever sucks, you are sadly mistaken and not at all welcome here.

actually KJ are a post-punk/industrial band. And im annoyed that Ozzy made the list and Sabbath didn't. i like Black Sabbath alot, they inventd metal. Judas Priest and Maiden, however, ruined it. Also i have wide ranging tastes that go far beyond rock and metal or punk.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I never said you were. But look, I'm not going to argue with you, because I don't want to. Besides, all the slander I need to hear from you has been heard in the Fort Minor review.

[encmetalhead]

meh i dont care about the old reviews i've done i want ppl to commetn on the newer reviews

[Dave de Sylvia]

Btw, Who has been genuinely influenced by Def Leppard....seriously who? If you've got a disability then you don't count.
Haha, I was just thinking the same thing as I was reading a new Def Leppard review. DL have two albums on Rolling Stone's Top 500, which is more than GNR and more than any other '80s metal band, and half the bands on this top 25 list. I know Def Leppard were massive in their day but I can't for the life of me name a band in the last decade in whose sound I can hear their influence. I think they're one of those bands, like GnR, that lots of people know and many respect yet their direct influence has rarely been felt.

[ghettoeddo]

What does this have to do with top 25?!?! Being a top band doesnt mean hundreds of shitheads copy you, it means that you are a good musician/band. I simply named those bands since they are great bands and very influential in their genre.


Without an understanding of these bands and their genres this is not apparent however since the people who argue for the greatness of most of these Top 25 bands are malldwellers. ;)

calm down.
maybe they are great bands. but in their respective genres.
last i checked, this top 25 list encompasses every genre.
and frankly...in the metal genre, maiden and talica have been much more prevalently cited as influences than venom or burzum. i for one have not heard venom, so i cant say anything about venom, but if it's anything liek burzum, it's not for me.

im not saying this top 25 list is a GOOD list and that i support the position that they deserve to be on there. hell if i know or even have the right to say who should be on a top 25 influential band list. all im saying is that i can understand why this KAZAM magazine or whatever cited these bands as influential. the genres that venom and burzum fall into obviously are not very popular or influential on much of modern music. this 25 list is about which bands have shaped the way the majority of music is today.

im really getting tired of this word "influential" w/ threads like these and the drummer poll haha

and apparently i am a malldweller :rolleyes:

[Silenius]

Well opinions, opinions, popular =/= good necessarily.



Take other band then. What about Johhny Cash, ABBA, etc. They have definitely shaped modern music where are they? Yes I can agree that influential is completely opinionated as the rest of this is. I mean, technically if someone listens to the music it can be counted as influential (maybe at a subconcious level but still...).


Malldwellers would be the trendy fags who say "Green Day are the best band ever" with no support as to why they say that. ;)

[superpeer]

Johnny Cash and ABBA had their best moments before the 80s.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I'd say Cash released the best stuff just before he died.

But thats just my opinion.

[Silenius]

Cash was aways great and I could say the same about AC/DC, their 70s stuff with Bon Scott is the best.