French Artist Censorship

[neal_672]

http://www.nme.com/news/Monsieur-R/23193

After reading the article i have to say i'm a little shocked at the restrictions on an artists freedom of expression. The lyrics reflect his personal (if somewhat idiotic) views against "the system" ( :lol: ) and it seems slightly ****ed up that the government can prevent him from expressing his views through an artistic medium purely on the basis that someone impressionable may or may not hear it.

Anyhoo, discuss and all that jazz :thumb:

[-1up!-]

Censorship stinks. The Minister is taking a worrying step in negating that artist's freedom of speech.

[LittlePound]

it's stupid that he's getting in trouble for expressing his views. BUt making pornographic material availiabe to minors through his material should get him in trouble.

[neal_672]

it's stupid that he's getting in trouble for expressing his views. BUt making animal photographsographic material availiabe to minors through his material should get him in trouble.

The point is though that the parents/point of sale should step in at this point to stop a young child buying it, but by sending him to prison they're just damaging not only his career but his rights to freely express himself.

[LittlePound]

yeah i dont' agree for him being sent to jail, and it is the parents responsability for what hte child buys, but it's also others (ex. The store owner, or the government that makes the laws) responsibility to make sure that it couldn't even possibly fall into the hands of a child, regardless of the parents.

[Reaganista]

hey france keep criticizing the US

[-1up!-]

Yes, so Tway can keep on bitching Euros for the sake of it...:rolleyes:

[italic zero]

That guy callled it 'pornographic,' but I doubt it actually is.

[Curtis89]

yeah i dont' agree for him being sent to jail, and it is the parents responsability for what hte child buys, but it's also others (ex. The store owner, or the government that makes the laws) responsibility to make sure that it couldn't even possibly fall into the hands of a child, regardless of the parents.

Thats not definately not the government's responsibility.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

The point is though that the parents/point of sale should step in at this point to stop a young child buying it, but by sending him to prison they're just damaging not only his career but his rights to freely express himself.

Are you kidding? This guy's getting major street cred. His lyrics are so gangster they got him in JAIL

[:amaze:]

Thats not definately not the government's responsibility.


if the government is the one saying it's not ok for minors to access it, they should be the ones restricting the access.




:amaze:

[Slapping Penguin]

hey france keep criticizing the US

You are a pathetic child. Because the US HAS NEVER done something similar.

[Reaganista]

You are a pathetic child. Because the US HAS NEVER done something similar.

not in the past 80 years we haven't.

[-1up!-]

Freedom Fries, anyone?

[Reaganista]

um

the senate changing the name of a food is not even remotely similar to the french government jailing detractors.

actually not even remotely similar isn't a strong enough phrase.

it's completely ****ing irrelevant

[-1up!-]

no it's the same thing

oh, what am I saying? You know better :rolleyes:

[Reaganista]

you have got to be the stupidest person on the planet.

the senate changed their lunch menu

the french threw a guy in jail for criticising them

explain the similarity

[-1up!-]

I could explain, but you're Tway.

[Reaganista]

oh so you're just talking ****, that's good to know.

now go away

[PerpetualBurn]

Sorry, 1up, but you're on a loser. Arresting peaceful civilians is different to giving the lunch menu non-partisan names.

[Britney Diva]

Sorry, 1up, but you're on a loser. Arresting peaceful civilians is different to giving the lunch menu non-partisan names.
Those fries would be dead by dinner-time in prison.

[Britney Diva]

He'd be eaten alive!

[PerpetualBurn]

Dammit! No puns.

[-1up!-]

Sorry, 1up, but you're on a loser. Arresting peaceful civilians is different to giving the lunch menu non-partisan names.

Sorry but you failed to see I was sarcastic all the way, imitating Tway's manner of argumenting. How the **** would you think I'm stupid enough to compare fries with the arrestation of a civilian? wtf. :mad:

[Reaganista]

:-/

I've never argued in a manner that's even a little like that, all of my arguments make sense

[Britney Diva]

It's only recognisable as sarcasm if it's out of character.

[-1up!-]

"no it's the same thing" Is certainly not my kind of argument. In fact it was piss easy to see it was sarcasm. :mad:

Wtf. We're arguing about French Censorship here.

[Futue te Ipsum]

hah, and I was wondering if france could get anymore screwed.

[Reaganista]

"no it's the same thing" Is certainly not my kind of argument. In fact it was piss easy to see it was sarcasm.

Wtf. We're arguing about French Censorship here.
your kind of arguments are monumentally stupid. this argument was monumentally stupid. I think you just made the sarcasm thing up afterwards

[-1up!-]

your kind of arguments are monumentally stupid. this argument was monumentally stupid. I think you just made the sarcasm thing up afterwards
You think wrong. :)

[LittlePound]

"no it's the same thing" Is certainly not my kind of argument.
and then his argument here......
You think wrong. :)


hahaha sorry. I like 1up in this thread.....but.....i just had to point that out.

[LittlePound]

if the government is the one saying it's not ok for minors to access it, they should be the ones restricting the access.

thankyou, that's what i was basically saying

[-1up!-]

hahaha sorry. I like 1up in this thread.....but.....i just had to point that out.
It's not an argument. I'm commenting his opinions on my arguments. :mad:

[LittlePound]

you were arguing whether or not his way of thinking was right or wrong.
Perpetual brun said " well i think this"
and since you think that "this" is wrong, you said "you think wrong". It was an argument.

[-1up!-]

No!

Argument: A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now.

I'm just voicing my opinion on his opinion of my arguments, not a fact to prove something. I don't recognise the existence of "right" and "wrong", anyway. :)

Okay I'm off to smoke.

[LittlePound]

hahaha ok. I'm done argui...i mean....er....."voicing my opinion" of your opinion of my opinion on his opinion of your opinion. Oh yeah! confusing huh?
right....

[Give me Beer]

He's not been convicted yet, it's just a stupid nationalistic MP, the last similar case against Sniper was thrown out of court by the judge. And Tway, not like the USA doesn't know how to charge people for stupid reasons... Who is going to make burning the American Flag illegal?

[Reaganista]

nobody

Argument: A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now.

an argument is a series of premises intended to establish a definite preposition

[Breakwood]

In case anyone is curious, here is the video http://www.vimeo.com/clip:25289

NOTE : There is nudity in the video, I've warned you.

[PepsiMetal]

A French rap star :lol:

I think the reason french government did this is so that their pop music doesn't start sucking like Americans'. :p

Anyways, if he hates france so much why doesn't he just leave. His music is probably comparable to Kevin Federline. I know this has nothing to do with his freedom, but I just felt like saying that.

After watching the video, it looks an average crap american rap video so I don't feel sympathy for the guy. That music has to be stopped. Yeeeeeees.

[neal_672]

A French rap star :lol:

I think the reason french government did this is so that their pop music doesn't start sucking like Americans'. :p

Anyways, if he hates france so much why doesn't he just leave. His music is probably comparable to Kevin Federline. I know this has nothing to do with his freedom, but I just felt like saying that.

After watching the video, it looks an average crap american rap video so I don't feel sympathy for the guy. That music has to be stopped. Yeeeeeees.

Hurrah for a close minded opinion of an entire genre of music!

[Krabsworth]

"Mr.R" is his rap name....

[Damrod]

Well, the question will always be how such songs, artists and lyrics will be handled. Some will point and say it's the parents responsibility, some that it's up to the government, other that the media is to blame.

But no! We could all work together for a change to take care of business, so that everybody wins (kids not exposed to it with ease, the artist speaking their mind). But that would probably mean that hell would be freezing over, and we all don't want the devil to be cold, don't we? :rolleyes:

[Reaganista]

kids should be exposed to it

[PerpetualBurn]

The big sticker of "Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics" means you know exactly what's going on. I don't see need for any further action by government or the artists.

[Damrod]

Obviously there is need, as people in stores behind the counter can't be assed to pay attention whoy is buying what stuff. It's the same everywhere. I was once in line when I bought a CD and a couple of folks in front of me a small kid of 12 at the max bought a game that had a sticker for "rated M".

[PerpetualBurn]

Well, that's a matter of enforcing current regulations rather than increasing them. I'd have probably offered to get it for the kid just to screw the censors if he'd had trouble.

[Damrod]

I think you got me wrong. By "the government has to act" I don't really mean they should bring out new regulations that will work not a single bit as they are not enforced, but rather enforce the ones that are already out. We literally mean the same thing. :)

I have to disagree with the "buy it for them"-thing. At least a bit. For example, I would not buy a small 12 year old a game like F.E.A.R. or Doom 3.

[PerpetualBurn]

Fair play. And I'd probably not really buy it for them, unless I knew they had very conservative Christian parents (the type that would deem GTA the work of Satan). It would amuse me.

[Damrod]

Well, one would have to be there when the parents see it, otherwise it's only half the fun ;)

[Reaganista]

Obviously there is need, as people in stores behind the counter can't be assed to pay attention whoy is buying what stuff. It's the same everywhere. I was once in line when I bought a CD and a couple of folks in front of me a small kid of 12 at the max bought a game that had a sticker for "rated M".
kids should be allowed to play games rated 'M'

[Damrod]

That makes me curious: Why?

[Reaganista]

because a lot of them are really good games.

[Damrod]

:lol:

Maybe, but that does not mean the content is really suiting. Though I get the feeling that a discussion with you would lead to nothing, judging from your other posts here :thumb:

[Reaganista]

I wouldn't want my kids playing inferior games just because there might be some naughty words or decapitations or rape scenes in the good ones, that could retard their intellectual capacity

but they would have to play civilization, too

[Britney Diva]

Anyone who subjects their kid to Civilization is a crappy parent.

[Reaganista]

civilization rocks soooo hard

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

I think you got me wrong. By "the government has to act" I don't really mean they should bring out new regulations that will work not a single bit as they are not enforced, but rather enforce the ones that are already out. We literally mean the same thing. :)

I have to disagree with the "buy it for them"-thing. At least a bit. For example, I would not buy a small 12 year old a game like F.E.A.R. or Doom 3.

As far as I know, those rating systems are done by the industry and have no legal standing, like movie ratings. A movie theater, if it wanted to, could allow anybody in to see an R rated movie