drop tunings

[jordan-z]

What are some drop tunings for a five string. like for metal/metalcore types of music?

[bottlerocket]

Drop C.

Converge (amazing)...Unearth (gross)...As I Lay Dying (BLEH)...all metalcore bands play in drop C, mainly.

Converge is incredible. Definitely get into them. Other than that: why listen to metalcore? :p I kid, I kid.

But yeah, definitely drop C. On a 5, you don't need to down tune: just hit the first fret on your B string and that's C. Voila. It might make it easier if you tuned it down, though.

Dropped D is less common but it happens at times.

-Gav

[TwiTcHyHanDs]

Drop C.

Converge (amazing)...Unearth (gross)...As I Lay Dying (BLEH)...

-Gav

Covnerge ( BLEH )...Unearth ( Gross ) As i lay dying ( AWESOME! )

[jordan-z]

aaaaaaaand how does it go... like BEADG type stuff...... and what if the guitarist is down tuned, that means I have to be tuned accordingly rrrright????

[bottlerocket]

Covnerge ( BLEH )

How does anyone in their right mind who listens to metalcore (I hate metalcore but I still love Converge) "bleh" Converge? Without Converge, metalcore would simply not exist...and that's a fact.

aaaaaaaand how does it go... like BEADG type stuff...... and what if the guitarist is down tuned, that means I have to be tuned accordingly rrrright????

I'm pretty sure CGCFAD is how it goes on a guitar, so in your case it would be ACGCF.

If your guitarist is tuned down to C, you can play the notes as normal on your bass in standard turning (BEADG) if you want because your bass has that range with the 5th string. It's not necessary but if you feel more comfortable to look at the guitarist's fretboard for reference you can. Otherwise, why bother? You can hit all the notes in your standard tuning.

-Gav

[jordan-z]

fo sho...Gav=cool

[White_Summer]

How does anyone in their right mind who listens to metalcore (I hate metalcore but I still love Converge) "bleh" Converge? Without Converge, metalcore would simply not exist...and that's a fact.



I'm pretty sure CGCFAD is how it goes on a guitar, so in your case it would be ACGCF.

If your guitarist is tuned down to C, you can play the notes as normal on your bass in standard turning (BEADG) if you want because your bass has that range with the 5th string. It's not necessary but if you feel more comfortable to look at the guitarist's fretboard for reference you can. Otherwise, why bother? You can hit all the notes in your standard tuning.

-Gav
i have heard lamb of god, classified as metalcore, though i completely dissagree, that seems to be the running classification for them, as such one should not forget this band, as they are incredible they also play in drop d, about the tunning, using the same tunning helps when playing certain riffs, say the riff has alot of open hammers, like
C----0h7-0h9-0h7 etc played at quicky speeds, playing in standard makes that riff near impossible

[jollygiantchris]

i could be wrong but isnt dropping the low b to an a pushing the bounds of what humans can hear?

[PainKiller8191]

^no....there are basses with strings below B....F#, and C#

actually not so sure about C#....i dunno

[rh15951]

I tune A-D-A-D-G

[7thdaybass]

the unearth guitarists play 7-strings tuned to standard (BEADGBE) rather than drop C or B on 6-stings so it is perfectly fine for you on a 5-string bass to just play in standard without any confussion

how i play is that when im with guitarists that play with a dropped tuning i tune the E, A, D and G string as they do but then additionally drop my B string down the same number of steps as i tuned the E

for example if the guitarists are playing in drop D, i will play ADADG. it might seem a little confusing to look at but i found that it let me use my lower string to great effect as well as not getting confused with looking at the guitarists fretboard... as wellllll as not having to try stupid stretches :p

[Raiven]

Converge <3

[sixner]

i play Drop D but i leave my B the same...
BDADG
it's how i like to jam ;)
-sixner

[bottlerocket]

fo sho...Gav=cool

Thanks, man. Glad I could help.

i have heard lamb of god, classified as metalcore, though i completely dissagree, that seems to be the running classification for them, as such one should not forget this band, as they are incredible they also play in drop d, about the tunning, using the same tunning helps when playing certain riffs, say the riff has alot of open hammers, like
C----0h7-0h9-0h7 etc played at quicky speeds, playing in standard makes that riff near impossible

I consider Lamb of God metal/metalcore...I'm not really into them, in any case.

i could be wrong but isnt dropping the low b to an a pushing the bounds of what humans can hear?

No...humans can hear lower than that. :thumb:

the unearth guitarists play 7-strings tuned to standard (BEADGBE) rather than drop C or B on 6-stings so it is perfectly fine for you on a 5-string bass to just play in standard without any confussion

Yeah, they do that, too...I thought they did drop C, too, but maybe I'm crazy. You're probably right. I don't listen to Unearth much. I can't stand jug jug WEE DEE stuff.

Converge <3

So true...one of the most influential bands of the century, honestly. Without them, metalcore, posthardcore, and modern hardcore wouldn't exist. They totally redefined hardcore and all its subgenres. Jacob Bannon is a lyrical genius, too. Jane Doe is the greatest album ever made.

-Gav

[Raiven]

http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/images/icons/wavey.gifSo true...one of the most influential bands of the century, honestly. Without them, metalcore, posthardcore, and modern hardcore wouldn't exist. They totally redefined hardcore and all its subgenres. Jacob Bannon is a lyrical genius, too. Jane Doe is the greatest album ever made.

-Gav

Romantic music for violent people.

Farewell to this city = sexy tone.

Saddest Day equals the best.

[bottlerocket]

Jane Doe just does it for me. That album is just jam packed with emotion, especially in the last song at the very end after that mammoth build up when they tear it all down and Bannon just screams, "Run on, girl, run on." Truly breath taking.

The Saddest Day is the song with the sing along in it, right? "Every time you justify..." etc.? When I say Converge, Jacob told everyone to get up front for that part. It was easily the biggest pile up I've ever been in. I almost died. I was in the front and I got the mic for like a tenth of a second before the weight threw us all down and forward. I went headfirst into the drumset. Bannon was somehow still standing...I swear, he's a god or something.

-Gav

[Left Shoe]

How does anyone in their right mind who listens to metalcore (I hate metalcore but I still love Converge) "bleh" Converge? Without Converge, metalcore would simply not exist...and that's a fact.



-Gav
just because they started is doesnt mean they are any good =P.

Converge (Meh)
As i Lay Dying (Above average)
Unearth (Meh)

[bottlerocket]

Phil...trust me. Whenever I get you into a band, you don't like them at first then grow to love them (Hot Cross, etc.).

Just listen to Jane Doe all the way through at least twice. You'll thank me later.

-Gav

[the101er]

The Agony Scene = secks

Bring Me The Horizon = secks

Drop B, it's what I'm using at the moment in a metal/metalcore band


Editted for Gav

[bottlerocket]

^ Metalcore, yes, hardcore...not really. Hardcore's uisually in standard or droppd C. Many people confuse metalcore/hardcore, thinking they sound similar. They're actually extremely different. Hardcore is more musically primitive and is more about unity, gang vocals, etc.

Popular example of hardcore: Comeback Kid :thumb:

-Gav

[the101er]

Ah yes, sorry Gav, I'm tired. :lol:

[Left Shoe]

Phil...trust me. Whenever I get you into a band, you don't like them at first then grow to love them (Hot Cross, etc.).

Just listen to Jane Doe all the way through at least twice. You'll thank me later.

-Gav
i never disliked hot cross, and ive heard jane doe plenty of times, its one of jd's favorites ;O

[Raiven]

Hot cross and Saetie (sp) are icky and eww.

[Polyamarous]

C F A# D#

I don't have it for 5 string.

[bottlerocket]

Hot cross and Saetie (sp) are icky and eww.

Saetia*

Saetia and Hot Cross own hard but I can see why people wouldn't like them. Saetia's really really dark but still very artsy. Hot Cross is really techy and in your face.

-Gav

[eriatarka]

Saetia*

Saetia and Hot Cross own hard but I can see why people wouldn't like them. Saetia's really really dark but still very artsy. Hot Cross is really techy and in your face.

-Gav

I've been listening to Saetia alot lately.Its awesome stuff,but i cant seem to get into Hot Cross.

[nisakss]

Is it possible to play drop c on a 4 string? or do you just get mud?

[Raiven]

Saetia*

Saetia and Hot Cross own hard but I can see why people wouldn't like them. Saetia's really really dark but still very artsy. Hot Cross is really techy and in your face.

-Gav

No no no.

Hot Cross is like crap and Saetia is just a mess.

Like skycamefalling but with even looser playing.

[bottlerocket]

I've been listening to Saetia alot lately.Its awesome stuff,but i cant seem to get into Hot Cross.

The thing with Hot Cross is that you can't expect it to be like Saetia. It's not as artsy. I listen to Saetia for the emotion (both in the music and in the lyrics, which are amazing once you read them and think about what they mean) and Hot Cross for the technical ability and awesome vocal work.

For Hot Cross, listen to:

Consonants, Better a Corpse than a Nun, Throw Collars To The Wind, Dissertation 14, a Tale for the Ages, Putting the Past Right, and Figure Eight.

Amazing instrument work and lyrical/vocal work in all those songs.

Is it possible to play drop c on a 4 string? or do you just get mud?

Yeah...you need heavy gauged strings, though.

No no no.

Hot Cross is like crap and Saetia is just a mess.

Like skycamefalling but with even looser playing.

Ew, Hot Cross is great and Saetia's amazing. Don't compare Saetia to skycamefalling. Saetia's playing isn't that sloppy. I love it. :(

-Gav

[Raiven]

Ew, Hot Cross is great and Saetia's amazing. Don't compare Saetia to skycamefalling. Saetia's playing isn't that sloppy. I love it. :(

-Gav

Yeah but I like bands such as BTBAM, DEP, Necrophagist and All Shall Perish so I'm used to my stuff being in time and dead on and heavy.

They just fail on all accounts.

[Esp Griffyn]

^no....there are basses with strings below B....F#, and C#

actually not so sure about C#....i dunno

Yes, Jacquo XII just made an album called "The C# theory", basically an album where all the bass is done on bass tuned to C# on the lowest string, which is just above the limits of human hearing. However, some speakers cannot reproduce the C# and some of the lower notes properly.

[acexxxoasis]

nile = good metal ;) cryptopsy also very good red chord also mmm suffocation sorry im going all death and ish here honestly I use drop C sometimes but mainly I stay to Standard D old Dillinger escape plan is yummy too reminds me of this converge Gavs yelling about

[bleeding_fingers]

<3 Nile.

[Jake=Suck]

GCGCG
or
ADADA

[bottlerocket]

Yeah but I like bands such as BTBAM, DEP, Necrophagist and All Shall Perish so I'm used to my stuff being in time and dead on and heavy.

They just fail on all accounts.

Haha, hey it's cool, man. I like old DEP (Calculating Infinity is a sweet album) but hate BTBAM, Necrophagist, and stufflike that. It's cool, though. Different strokes for different folks. :p

-Gav

[thelowsoundofbass]

Killswitch engage FTW on metalcore. They play in Drop C standard, as far as i have seen on tabs.

lowsound

[knuckle_head]

i could be wrong but isnt dropping the low b to an a pushing the bounds of what humans can hear?
An octave below a standard bass' E is supposedly the threshold of human hearing - about 20 Hz

[rh15951]

The coolest thing is watching a sub running at 10Hz, you know its making noise but cant hear it :lol:

[wicked_child]

The coolest thing is watching a sub running at 10Hz, you know its making noise but cant hear it :lol:

atleast you can feel it. :)

[Roo_bass]

i play Drop D but i leave my B the same...
BDADG
it's how i like to jam ;)
-sixner
Yeah that's the tuning I use with my metalcore band (except with a C on the end).

[Esp Griffyn]

Yeah but I like bands such as BTBAM, DEP, Necrophagist and All Shall Perish so I'm used to my stuff being in time and dead on and heavy.


Im sorry but Muhammed is one of the sloppiest live guitarists out there, and his live bassist is terrible.

Just watch the "Fermented offal discharge" solo on video google, the bass tapping in the intro is atrocious, and Muhammed is all over the shop on the solo in particular.

[Raiven]

Im sorry but Muhammed is one of the sloppiest live guitarists out there, and his live bassist is terrible.

Just watch the "Fermented offal discharge" solo on video google, the bass tapping in the intro is atrocious, and Muhammed is all over the shop on the solo in particular.

Yeah I saw that.

But the recordings man, you know what i mean dave.

[Akira]

Eek. I watched that live Necrophagist vid, my ears just about started to blled after 30 seconds.

[Low_End_Communications]

To stay on topic of tuning and not let Gav and Phil discuss the true meaning of hardcore, most bassists using ERB's keep them in standard BEADG(C)(F) etc.

However, when you start getting into the hardcore/ metalcore stuff, there are quite a few bands tuning to drop D/C#/C/B. It's sometimes impossible to play some stuff in standard B. Take for instance, a riff in drop C.

C|-0-0-7h8-0-0-3h5-0-0-8-0-0-0

There's no economy in motion if you move everything up one fret on a B string. So, I'd tune down. As someone mentioned earlier, it makes a lot of sense to do the Ryan Martinie thing and drop the B with your E, same number of steps.

For instance, drop C is now (G)CGCF. That (G) is your low B. This way you can keep the drop thing, but also have the lowest string for different positions and lower octaves.

Personally, I've been using my 6 string tuned to EADGCF, but I've gone to drop C# (C# G# C# F# B E). It's all a matter of taste. I usually prefer straight tunings (EADG, DGCF, etc.), but sometimes it's just easier to drop.

[Low_End_Communications]

To stay on topic of tuning and not let Gav and Phil discuss the true meaning of hardcore, most bassists using ERB's keep them in standard BEADG(C)(F) etc.

However, when you start getting into the hardcore/ metalcore stuff, there are quite a few bands tuning to drop D/C#/C/B. It's sometimes impossible to play some stuff in standard B. Take for instance, a riff in drop C.

C|-0-0-7h8-0-0-3h5-0-0-8-0-0-0

There's no economy in motion if you move everything up one fret on a B string. So, I'd tune down. As someone mentioned earlier, it makes a lot of sense to do the Ryan Martinie thing and drop the B with your E, same number of steps.

For instance, drop C is now (G)CGCF. That (G) is your low B. This way you can keep the drop thing, but also have the lowest string for different positions and lower octaves.

Personally, I've been using my 6 string tuned to EADGCF, but I've gone to drop C# (C# G# C# F# B E). It's all a matter of taste. I usually prefer straight tunings (EADG, DGCF, etc.), but sometimes it's just easier to drop.

[Low_End_Communications]

To stay on topic of tuning and not let Gav and Phil discuss the true meaning of hardcore, most bassists using ERB's keep them in standard BEADG(C)(F) etc.

However, when you start getting into the hardcore/ metalcore stuff, there are quite a few bands tuning to drop D/C#/C/B. It's sometimes impossible to play some stuff in standard B. Take for instance, a riff in drop C.

C|-0-0-7h8-0-0-3h5-0-0-8-0-0-0

There's no economy in motion if you move everything up one fret on a B string. So, I'd tune down. As someone mentioned earlier, it makes a lot of sense to do the Ryan Martinie thing and drop the B with your E, same number of steps.

For instance, drop C is now (G)CGCF. That (G) is your low B. This way you can keep the drop thing, but also have the lowest string for different positions and lower octaves.

Personally, I've been using my 6 string tuned to EADGCF, but I've gone to drop C# (C# G# C# F# B E). It's all a matter of taste. I usually prefer straight tunings (EADG, DGCF, etc.), but sometimes it's just easier to drop.

[Raiven]

Triple post.

And ear bleeding? explain?

[Akira]

Triple post.

And ear bleeding? explain?
I wasn't being serious, I just thought it was really bad. Just a brick wall of shredding and screaming.