5 cents on MAINSTREAM music and RHCP

[BassAddict04]

hmmm , so these days if its "Mainstream" , it's wack, because it doesn't fit into your rebelious ways of listening to only "Indie and Underground music " . Well , if you like a band , should you deny it, just because they are in a different level of your... expectations on what YOU should listen to? Cmon get ****in real. For example, let me speak on my favorite band, Red Hot Chili Peppers . Many people simply don't listen to them anymore because they are "Mainstream..." well thats ****in ridiculous. First , they started out as a band with nothing but pure musical genius pouring out of them , with their debut self titled album in 1984, which many many many people probably didnt even listen to, or the next album, Freaky Styley, or the next... Uplift Mo Fo Party Plan..or the next Mothers Milk... up until Blood Sugar Sex Magik. Where people heard Under The Bridge and Give IT Away. With already gaining respect to the music world with their earlier albums , they were ****in unstoppable, and nothing got in their ways, always keepin it real . Then One Hot Minute came out, blah blah blah, Californication came out , awsome, By The Way, coo coo. Now Stadium Arcadium comes out and people judge the whole band with this album, as its probably had the most promoting since ****in any of their other albums , oh yea so they sold out cause of that right... nope, its warner bros guys , calm it down. Alright well anyways , Stadium Arcadium is a great album but it does not show their full potential , and it is in a way a combination of all their albums, well most of them, into this one, but not with the same energy and feel like back in the days. So go ahead and feel free to listen to it , you dont have to hide anything, you can listen to it as much as you want , as long as your ears enjoy it, its all good . Don't exclude it because it's " Not the same Peppers" , **** that, Stadium Arcadium is another great album , which showcases their talent and shows that after 20+ years, they still got it , how many bands can say that? ( nope, Rollings Stones suck balls )

So in conclusion , listen to what you want , give your OWN thoughts on a piece of music as it is the greatest art we have. Don't kill the yourself inside and say , I CANT LISTEN TO IT ITS TOOOO MAINSTREAM, **** that , music is music ( unless its yellowcard and all those other bands , please..stop..ASAP? )

THANK YOU for your Time, let me know what you guys think :chug: :chug:

, Matt

[Zmev]

Have at him, dei.

[Aryeth]

um Ok.

[sgrevs]

Yay. A hater of haters.

[xon]

I hate haters of hater-haters

[W.M.A]

They did sell out. Read Anthony's autobiography, before they chose Warner Bros, they went with a record company that offered them more money, but felt disgusted with themselves. They also played a concert for a beer company cos they wanted the money and likewise felt dirty afterwards. Theyre not bad sellouts.

[Sound Boy]

dude i totally feel this thread. however, i dont like RHCP's new stuff cause alot of it sounds the same. and i dont know if its because the last 3 albums are a part of a trilogy or just that they are losing steam. i knew of them when they came out with Mothers Milk and was a fan and still am today just not as much as i was back then. but in my opinion, mainstream didnt mess up the Peppers it was goddamn Dave Navarro. ihated him being in the band and am glad it didnt last long.

but i totally feel the mainstream-ness...ALOT of my bands are like that. before i was into alot of the alt/indie type music i was a big fan of the poppunk and when bands i liked started being on TRL and stuff i was totally peeved but didnt change my listening till all the damn screaming came. it also happened with my favorite band Incubus. when "Drive" and "wish you were here" came on the radio alot of people called them a mainstream band for girls and that really pissed me off. but yeah...i see where your commin from. and basically i listen to what i want to listen to and not what other people say is "cool"...

and one last thing. i dont understand how you can call some bands "sell outs" unless they totally change their sound musically. cause as a band you have to make money cause you gotta pay the record companies back the money they loaned you. so it IS a job. but if your good and you sell alot of records anyway then you dont have to do Promos and beer ads.

[morrissey]

I love mainstream music.

[FrddyBrnRgrJhn]

**** it why does it matter if a band is indie or mainstream? i love indie music and i love mainstream music. with the chili peppers, i cant stand the first three albums, but that's not because they were indie.

[Jacaranda]

( nope, Rollings Stones suck balls )
Ha, and you like RHCP. Talk about ball sucking.

I hate RHCP because they blow and because Anthony sounds the same in every song. Plus I just think they blow on a musical scale too.

I hate mainstream music, I'm pure indie.
how many bands can say that?
Rush, Aerosmith, U2, Iron Maiden and the Who just to name the ones that came to mind.

[dei]

Have at him, dei.
:lol:

[pulseczar]

RHCP are sellouts, mofos are too corporate to do sock-man now.

[dei]

I hate it when people come at "us" with this bull**** argument that we all dislike mainstream music because it's mainstream. Yeah, we're all James Blunt fans dying to break free. Perhaps we actually really don't like the music that's getting played on television or radio because it's not too good. Making an argument that it is good is dumb because: (a) not everyone in the world shares the same likes and dislike and (b) the whole payola scandal kind of disproves the theory that all popular music is on the air because it deserves to be.

Not all music is art. It was before, I guess, a long time ago, but when people began to notice how easy it'd become to get rich by showing off your body and sing using the help of voice mods. and whatnot, it became entertainment.* Most mainstream music is entertainment because most songs lack substance. Take your beloved RHCP. Sure, they were decent when they came out (it's arguable that they weren't, and this is probably what I would argue if I could) but after perfecting B.O. rock it became less "let's do this with everything we got" and more "let's see how many times we can put out ****ty albums that click with people who don't care about anything else except banging their heads to our ****ty Dr. Seuss-esque lyrics that really don't mean ****."

I've lost myself. Leave me alone. If I don't like something it's because I have a reason and one kid on the internet is not going to change anything, especially one that likes RHCP. So go back to playing your stickered-up Squier bass and don't come back.

* - Even before that, but I want to make it sound as bad as possible.

[dei]

I just woke up. If there are any mistakes (and there are plenty), please don't say anything. I had a nice dream and I want to ride this good feeling as long as I can.

[I Was A Kaleidoscope]

I don't like most mainstream music because it can be contrived, talentless, manufactured, with no sincerity, and just plain bad most of the time.

The new RHCP album is alright. They have talent. They probably represent the better side of mainstream music.

I'm not anti mainstream or anything, I admit that I do like Missy Elliott and Justin Timberlake. But I can also be quite the 'indie snob' or whatever you want to call it.

If you like it, you like it.
And for the most part, I don't like mainstream music.

The RHCP album is probably the latest mainstream thing that I can actually stand to listen to. It is very same old same old though.

I've been wondering why I've been liking EVERYTHING I've been listening to lately, and I think it's because I hadn't listened to the radio.

My latest hated mainstream act is this guy that is catered for middle aged divorcee women actually.

Yeah, we're all James Blunt fans dying to break free.

Why wouldn't you be, with such sophisticated lyrics as:

Goodbye my lover
Goodbye my friend
You have been the one
You have been the one for me

and

You're beautiful
You're beautiful
You're beautiful, it's true

[ATM]

My girlfriend likes 3 Doors Down, and I was making fun of her for it. She thinks what I listen to is "wierd" just because it's not on the radio.

/big sigh

[TheBigPK]

I agree with the ol kaledescope on this one.... most mainstream music has no point lyrically. Take EVERY Fall Out Boy song, i shouldnt have to quote. Half the time its just a jumble of words that loosely go toghter to sound appealing so they sell a crapton of albums. Bands that try to say something that are almost mainstream like Tool, NiN, Incubus, etc are all i can handle. RHCP is the reason to hate mainstream. They're bassist is god, and older stuff is sweet music made just for music but half the new songs are worthless bs...
10 cents PK

[guitarded_chuck]

You like what you like. If it's mainstream, at least you have someone to talk about your music with. I'm glad how great the new RHCP album is, and how well everyone is taking it. Good band to talk about.

If someone doesn't like a band simply because they're mainstream, they're ignorant, and don't like music for music. It's not cool to like a band that's completely unknown. It's cool to have your own music tastes, and not be so arrogant about it.

Yeeee.

[BillyFunk]

I don't like most mainstream music because it can be contrived, talentless, manufactured, with no sincerity, and just plain bad most of the time. I'm not anti mainstream or anything, I admit that I do like Missy Elliott and Justin Timberlake. But I can also be quite the 'indie snob' or whatever you want to call it.


wait...Justin Timberlake and Missy Elliot are talented?

[guitarded_chuck]

wait...Justin Timberlake and Missy Elliot are talented?
It's not all about talent. It's about the music.

[BassAddict04]

im glad some people enjoyed it, like sound boy . But for those who didn't there is no reason to rip on me becasue you feel threatened by the words that I said. It's all good, calm it down . These are simply my views on things and I know are true in many cases . Whoever named U2 as one of the bands.... they suck more balls then Rolling Stones probably:thumb: . Anyways , there will always be this battle of... MAINSTREAM and INDIE music... but it shouldn't b elike that, music is about the beauty of sound and what you could do with it , and if it goes into your ears and into your brain saying, wow this is nice, thenn why should you think otherwise?

THANK YOU

ps:more hate is welcome,

[Alpha Waves]

mainstream or not, who gives a ****. ill listen to what the hell i want, if someones gonna stop liking a band because of someone elses opinion then they are an idiot.

although I really dont like it when a band ive been listening to for ages gets really big and all these kids who only listen to the charts go on about this great new band

"omg have you heard of Green Day there my favourite band ever"
"oh whats your favourite song"
"American idiot its their first single"
"no this is like there tenth album, dickhead"
I only used green day rather than an indie band because that conversation actually happened

[Sam]

So go back to playing your stickered-up Squier bass and don't come back.

Good call.

[BassAddict04]

gentleman, i dream of having a stickered up squire bass, unfortunately I only have a yamaha old bass, with a couple stickers in the back, :mad: . Someday?

[Alpha Waves]

gentleman, i dream of having a stickered up squire bass, unfortunately I only have a yamaha old bass, with a couple stickers in the back, :mad: . Someday?

ive never know anyone to need to upgrade to get a squier

[BassAddict04]

ive never know anyone to need to upgrade to get a squier

uh....now you do? :confused:

[Alpha Waves]

uh....now you do? :confused:

hmm...seems so

[BassAddict04]

hmm...seems so

yea..did you really need to post that up, that this is the first time youve seen someone wanting to upgrade up to a squire... what good did that do , do we have some major breaktrhough in this topic or osmething?

[Alpha Waves]

yea..did you really need to post that up, that this is the first time youve seen someone wanting to upgrade up to a squire... what good did that do , do we have some major breaktrhough in this topic or osmething?

well did you need to post that up? or the message before that? you are just prompting me to carry on. but ill stop now

[ThaFleastyler]

... and the pointless-thread-bashing-and-spam-posting phase begins.

[myiaa]

I like mainstream music. It takes talent to make good catchy pop tunes.

I don't like music on the edge of indie. The things that get (in)frequent radio play, and all the "hip rawk indie kids" like. I think most of it is an insincere, watered down version of something else. The music that kids think they can namedrop to make them look cool. (edit: this goes for rap and other forms of music too)

[BassAddict04]

I like mainstream music. It takes talent to make good catchy pop tunes.

I don't like music on the edge of indie. The things that get (in)frequent radio play, and all the "hip rawk indie kids" like. I think most of it is an insincere, watered down version of something else. The music that kids think they can namedrop to make them look cool.

nicely said. :chug:

[ThaFleastyler]

BassAddict04, your post is pretty interesting and you almost make a good point. But let me submit to you this: perhaps the reason why the people here appreciate indie music and (for the most part) appear to shun mainstream music is due to 2 factors ...

1. The community here is made up of people who appreciate music on a much deeper level (and, as such, in more ways) than the average listener. While the average listener, for example, my sister or my mum, listens to music and hears a song they like, and maybe appreciate the voice singing it or the live show they put on, they don't appreciate the music on as many levels as I do, or any of the people here. Indie music, compared to mainstream music, often is more emotional, has higher production quality, has songs that try new things and experiment, and actually means something to its fans.

(This is not to say that listening to mainstream is bad. Its just that the people here listen to indie music and have an appreciation of that sound. I'm quite sure you could find a forum full of RHCP fans, or mainstream fans)

2. "Mainstream" music, in my opinion, is fleeting and is mostly gone as soon as it arrived (see: One Hit Wonders). There is some good stuff on radio, but for the most part the songs follow the same formulaic blueprint and end up sounding the same, which turns off a lot of listeners. However, if a band is pumping out new music that keeps people interested, album after album, they then form a fanbase, which is generally made up of people who want to discuss the bands' music. And a forum is born.


One other note:
How do you say who is creating good music 20+ years later? I would say if people are buying the albums and still supporting the band after 20+ years, then this comment would almost be true. In which case U2, Rolling Stones, Iggy Pop, RHCP, and a plethora of other bands all qualify.

As for the RHCP, its fine for you to have an opinion that they are as good now as ever. Its just that the general consensus here seems to be that the quality of their music sees to have tailed off in the last 5 years.

[Alpha Waves]

I like mainstream music. It takes talent to make good catchy pop tunes.

true, but most of the songs are not written by the artist, thats what annoys me most about mainstream music

[BassAddict04]

BassAddict04, your post is pretty interesting and you almost make a good point. But let me submit to you this: perhaps the reason why the people here appreciate indie music and (for the most part) appear to shun mainstream music is due to 2 factors ...

1. The community here is made up of people who appreciate music on a much deeper level (and, as such, in more ways) than the average listener. While the average listener, for example, my sister or my mum, listens to music and hears a song they like, and maybe appreciate the voice singing it or the live show they put on, they don't appreciate the music on as many levels as I do, or any of the people here. Indie music, compared to mainstream music, often is more emotional, has higher production quality, has songs that try new things and experiment, and actually means something to its fans.

(This is not to say that listening to mainstream is bad. Its just that the people here listen to indie music and have an appreciation of that sound. I'm quite sure you could find a forum full of RHCP fans, or mainstream fans)

2. "Mainstream" music, in my opinion, is fleeting and is mostly gone as soon as it arrived (see: One Hit Wonders). There is some good stuff on radio, but for the most part the songs follow the same formulaic blueprint and end up sounding the same, which turns off a lot of listeners. However, if a band is pumping out new music that keeps people interested, album after album, they then form a fanbase, which is generally made up of people who want to discuss the bands' music. And a forum is born.


One other note:
How do you say who is creating good music 20+ years later? I would say if people are buying the albums and still supporting the band after 20+ years, then this comment would almost be true. In which case U2, Rolling Stones, Iggy Pop, RHCP, and a plethora of other bands all qualify.

As for the RHCP, its fine for you to have an opinion that they are as good now as ever. Its just that the general consensus here seems to be that the quality of their music sees to have tailed off in the last 5 years.


I see what youre saying man, very nice very nice. I mean, I love Mainstream ( depends on who ) , and Indie, just respect music as a whole. A band like RHCP has had such a great effect on me over the years, with their inspiring musical ways and focusing their energy on purely music , and a Indie band like Blonde Redhead or Frou Frou , who have that experimental, raw feel , which I deeply am a fan of . YOu can't exclude music itself, you know what im saying, because music is music no matter what . Do you get what im saying in a way?

[ThaFleastyler]

Different people have different tastes, as simple as that. I think the issue here is understanding that people listen on different levels, which indie fans do. Unfortunately the majority of mainstream music doesn't bring anything to the table in that regard. As I mentioned, indie fans are just more likely to talk about their music, and that makes their opinions stand out.

[morrissey]

true, but most of the songs are not written by the artist, thats what annoys me most about mainstream music
I don't get why who the author is matters. You could be an amazing composer but not be able to sing for ****... I would rather hear Kelly Clarkson or Frank Sinatra or whoever sing your song than you. And what about standards? Is "Autumn Leaves" or "My Funny Valentine" any worse if it is played/sung by someone other than the original composer?

[JonM]

All streams flow down the mountain from the same source. Even the mainstream.


I am one deep mother****er.

[Sound Boy]

^no doubt

[pixiesfanyo]

dude i totally feel this thread. however, i dont like RHCP's new stuff cause alot of it sounds the same. and i dont know if its because the last 3 albums are a part of a trilogy or just that they are losing steam. i knew of them when they came out with Mothers Milk and was a fan and still am today just not as much as i was back then. but in my opinion, mainstream didnt mess up the Peppers it was goddamn Dave Navarro. ihated him being in the band and am glad it didnt last long.


You knew of them when you were 6?

Or you just put the wrong album name in there?

[insanepunkguy]

It's not all about talent. It's about the music.

you tell that to art garfunkel

[YDload]

nobody on this sub-forum actually thinks the way you (threadstarter) think we do about music. we just like it regardless of how popular it is, while at the same time noting which bands SHOULD be more popular (due to being catchy, fun, enjoyable for all) and which ones probably shouldn't (overplayed, annoying, not very talented). I think RHCP deserves their success because they have been delivering fun music for their entire career. But I still like their older stuff better because of how it sounds, not because of how popular it was.

[pixiesfanyo]

RHCP is an alright band. I think they are one of those gateways to better music, that get lost. Kind of like a Zeppelin or a Blink 182.

[JonM]

You knew of them when you were 6?

Or you just put the wrong album name in there?I have ALWAYS wanted to own someone like that. I applaud you.

[I Was A Kaleidoscope]

wait...Justin Timberlake and Missy Elliot are talented?

Timbaland (the guy that does most of the beats for both of them/produces) is talented at least. :p

[ThaFleastyler]

And Pharrell Williams, who worked on Justin's last album.
Pharrell is the man.

[EightMilesHigh]

I love mainstream music. I love boatloads of classic rock. And I listen to indie rock like The Decemberists too. I don't think I have to exclude one genre of music to fit into a social group, I love music too much for that :)

[Dave de Sylvia]

Justin Timberlake is such a better singer than anyone else mentioned in this thread it's no even funny run-on sentence

[Concubine]

Mainstream music can be good (Radiohead), and don't forget the fact that we were (i assumed) listening to mainstream music before we got to the point where we expanded our musical taste...

[Society Sellout]

Threadstarter: This argument has been butchered to death by music fans everywhere. The reason people jumped all over you is both a combination of this being such a cliche subject that no one really wants to bother with it and more and the fact that your statement was so sadly put together.

You rip band(Rolling Stones, Yellowcard) without giving any backing evidence of why they 'suck' other than it's YOUR opinion(which counts about as much as a turd wrapped in plastic to everyone who reads this). You also use a plethora of cuss words which come up as '****' and even further demeans your intelligence to your readers. Not only do you destroy any credibility by using far too many cuss words but your grammer is laughable as well.

Now Stadium Arcadium comes out and people judge the whole band with this album, as its probably had the most promoting since ****in any of their other albums , oh yea so they sold out cause of that right... nope, its warner bros guys , calm it down.

I can count three or four grammatical errors in this sentence alone. No matter how good of a point make if you write like that it will always be undercut and worthless.

My advice: Think before you write.

[Dave de Sylvia]

your grammer is laughable
*you're

[Society Sellout]

Nvm I was right. It's 'your' not 'you're'. Why did I even second guess myself in the first place?

[incubliss]

The majority of mainstream music is listened to by the younger generation. They are the bands that act as segways onto different things.

If you want to explore music, and at a deeper level, then I find that the majority of mainstream bands are disliked by the majority of people (musicians). The more music people get, the more tastes they acquire. I listened to Linkin Park, and Limp Bizkit when I was 12, just like most other kids my age. I don't particularly listen to them now, as it doesn't interest me anymore. I've gotten over that rebellious stage in my life, and I prefer different styles of music. They are just segways.

Casual listeners of music can't help but to hear mainstream music. If you only listen when driving in the car, or out on the weekend, chances are you may like Kaiser Chiefs, The Killers, or someone else along those catgeories of music. It all comes down to how much you like music.

[morrissey]

*you're
*there

Also Justin Timberlake is very talented, as are Timbaland and Pharell.

[dei]

I used to love Justin Timberlake. Pharell is still cool in my book.

I don't keep a book.

[ThaFleastyler]

Originally Posted by dei
I don't keep a book.
Yeeah ... *cough* ... umm ... uh, me neither.

[Sound Boy]

You knew of them when you were 6?

Or you just put the wrong album name in there?

no im talkin about Mothers Milk..my dad was into them and i listened to whatever my parents listened to. it probably wasnt when the album FIRST came out but it was before BSSM came out i know that. actually BSSM was one of my first tapes that i got from him. he took me to page/plant when i was 11 too haha

[Sound Boy]

PS: i dont think of music as mainstream/indie...i think of it as Good or Bad music. cause sh*tty bands can have good songs and good bands can have sh*tty songs

[incubliss]

Yeah, there are songs from almost any band that i've listened to that I like. I can't just hate everything, because there'll always be something I like.

But I think music does come down to that (mainstream/indie), in most circles anyway.

[Iron Bug]

I saw the new Chilli Peppers music video today. Despite me not being a fan, it was entertaining.

[ThaFleastyler]

I think the reason that music gets divided into genres (mainstream, indie, alt, rock, hardcore, emo, etc, etc) is because its easier to keep track of all the bands. Sure, there are bands that cross genre, but if someone says "oh, they're an indie band" or "they just play mainstream rock" you instantly know what to expect.

Its more a convenience thing than an line people aren't willing to cross. But at the same time, its just a fact that music that is labelled "mainstream" generally doesn't appeal to people who generally like indie music.

[dei]

Except indie's not a genre.

Mainstream music is tainted.

[Zorg]

Indie can be considered a genre. Pavement and such.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Rock isn't a real genre. It's called 'the beat'.

[ThaFleastyler]

Agree to disagree?
Like, if someone says "rock music" you have a fair idea what to expect, or if someone says "indie music" you know its going to be different again, or if someone says "bluegrass country music" you know to pretty much avoid it at all costs. Really a genre is just an efficient way of categorising, is it not?

[Sound Boy]

people make different genres cause they're tired of hearing "oh i listen to everything"

[Dave de Sylvia]

Agree to disagree?
Like, if someone says "rock music" you have a fair idea what to expect, or if someone says "indie music" you know its going to be different again, or if someone says "bluegrass country music" you know to pretty much avoid it at all costs. Really a genre is just an efficient way of categorising, is it not?
You sea, words can only mean won thing, so you no indie refers only two music produced on an independent label and not any audible stile of music.

[Little Man being Erased]

what's wrong with bluegrass country music?

[ThaFleastyler]

^ Whats right with it? Just not my cup of tea.

[Happymeal]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=preconceived+notion

[sr800bkBassist]

My girlfriend likes 3 Doors Down, and I was making fun of her for it. She thinks what I listen to is "wierd" just because it's not on the radio.

/big sigh
indie girlfriends > that.

[dei]

But indie as a genre is such a nondescript thing that it's better off not being a genre. It's really only becoming a genre because people are too lazy/stupid to describe something and throw it under "indie," and that's not good.

[Scuba_Steve]

I purchased a RHCP shirt on my school trip to niagra falls today.


Anyway, it's not mainstream music that bothers me. But elitism does. Like someone else said, the fringe bands (almost mainstream, not quite) that people namedrop and treat as gods are my problem.
Take for example, the bus ride home today. Not only did I have to hear some kid complain about how much rap "sucks"(and call it retards attempting poetry) after he found out the kid infront of him was listening to rap , but he talked about how much of a metalhead he was.

So I thought, cool I like metal, why not talk to him. Until he told me about how his favorite bands were liked slipknot and SOAD. These are the people that bother me.

People who stomp all over other people's musical taste, only to later reveal that they don't really listen to any gems either, so to say. If he was just talking about slipknot, I wouldn't have said anything.

But since he pulled the whole "music snob" card. I had to rip into him. And he got my rap is a legitimate form of music, like it or not.

So in short, most people won't kick you unless you kick them first.

[ThaFleastyler]

I like SOAD. Am I a bad person?

[sr800bkBassist]

I like SOAD. Am I a bad person?
as long as you don't blast it from your lifted pickup truck with SoCal stickers on the back window and a dirtbike in the truck bed, you are forgiven. people from San Diego and the surrounding areas will know about this gross breed of person i'm referring to.

[ATM]

indie girlfriends > that.

Ah, I know man.

We get along so well with everything else, though, except music.

[Dave de Sylvia]

But indie as a genre is such a nondescript thing that it's better off not being a genre. It's really only becoming a genre because people are too lazy/stupid to describe something and throw it under "indie," and that's not good.
You mean because people are too lazy to be really anal about it?

indie girlfriends > that.
My girlfriend's indier than me :downs:

[Zorg]

All I know is RHCP are vomit inducing to me. Cheers.

[dei]

You don't have to be anal about music to be able to put things into the right genres.

[Dave de Sylvia]

No, but you can recognise that words are socially determined and defined and if the term 'indie' has become a viable means of communicating a certain idea over another then it is valid whether or not you choose to recognise it.

[sr800bkBassist]

My girlfriend's indier than me :downs:
my ex was the same way :upset:
it's so intimidating!

[dei]

No, but you can recognise that words are socially determined and defined and if the term 'indie' has become a viable means of communicating a certain idea over another then it is valid whether or not you choose to recognise it.
You're wrong and I'm right.

[ThaFleastyler]

I'm not like that SOAD fan you mentioned, sr800bk. I don't live in CAlifornia (let alone the USA).

...... now, where did I put my dirtbike ...... hmmm?

[sr800bkBassist]

I'm not like that SOAD fan you mentioned, sr800bk. I don't live in CAlifornia (let alone the USA).

...... now, where did I put my dirtbike ...... hmmm?
then you are safe.

[ThaFleastyler]

Actually, I just like their music because it is a little bizarre. Plus, they put on a mean live show when I saw them (circa, 2002). Apparently they sucked when they were down this way last year though.

[BillCosby]

as long as you don't blast it from your lifted pickup truck with SoCal stickers on the back window and a dirtbike in the truck bed, you are forgiven. people from San Diego and the surrounding areas will know about this gross breed of person i'm referring to.

Anaheim's bro population is increasing. It's disgusting. The 909 must be overflowing towards the ocean I guess.

[EightMilesHigh]

What's a "bro?"

[BillCosby]

these (http://www.flatbiller.com/gallery/d/68-1/broparty.jpg)

[Zmev]

Oh God I thought the northern versions were bad.

[YDload]

these (http://www.flatbiller.com/gallery/d/68-1/broparty.jpg)

18 Visions and Avenged Sevenfold are both from Orange County, and they both look exactly like that.

[Zorg]

18 Visions and Avenged Sevenfold are both from Orange County, and they both look exactly like that.

I've only heard of Avenged Sevenfold. Do 18 Visions blow just as much?

[sr800bkBassist]

these (http://www.flatbiller.com/gallery/d/68-1/broparty.jpg)
EXACTLY.

that's the perfect example of a "SoCal" bro.
bros are the WORST clique ever. mostly because even though many stereotypes are false about cliques and such, bros live by their stereotypes.

[TheBigPK]

All streams flow down the mountain from the same source. Even the mainstream.


I am one deep mother****er.
Ahahahahaha thats sweet. your going to be famous:thumb:

[TheBigPK]

Whoo for really late out of place posts!

[BillCosby]

18 Visions and Avenged Sevenfold are both from Orange County, and they both look exactly like that.


Bro-core.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Avenged Sevenfold are nu-bro, I think.

[bwell]

I hate RHCP because they blow and because Anthony sounds the same in every song. Plus I just think they blow on a musical scale too.


wow, aren't you intelligent.

yes, he sounds exactly the same in Porcelain and Give It Away :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


unless you are saying he has the same voice in every song, and who can you not say that about?!

[dei]

RHCP and Tool fans are the same kind of stupid.

[sr800bkBassist]

RHCP and Tool fans are the same kind of stupid.
yeah, except RHCP has more mainstream accessability. so there is a slightly different mentality among the mainstream listeners.

[Sam]

Good call.

[Krash100]

I don't see what the big deal is about bands going mainstream. It's just a logical progression. R.E.M. , Sonic Youth and tons more have made great albums after going to a mainstream label, it doesn't make them any less of a band. If they changed their sound to appeal to mainstream tastes and sell more records I'd be a little disgusted, but I can't really pick out any band off the top of my head that've done that.

[sr800bkBassist]

RHCP and Tool fans are a completely different kind of stupid.

RHCP fans = dumb, wifebeater-wearing frat boys

Tool fans = fat
as far as the RHCP fans go, don't forget the pooka-shell necklaces, bob marley posters, and tribal (or barbwire) tatoos.

drink whiskey and hit chicks. listen to Scott Stapp's solo record.

[dei]

Stapp's solo record is bomb.

[Zorg]

I don't see what the big deal is about bands going mainstream. It's just a logical progression. R.E.M. , Sonic Youth and tons more have made great albums after going to a mainstream label, it doesn't make them any less of a band. If they changed their sound to appeal to mainstream tastes and sell more records I'd be a little disgusted, but I can't really pick out any band off the top of my head that've done that.

Actually R.E.M. and Sonic Youth should of both quit a while back.

[sr800bkBassist]

Stapp's solo record is bomb.
Scott Stapp is for lacross players with ponytails and mustaches.

[sr800bkBassist]

Actually R.E.M. and Sonic Youth should of both quit a while back.
NO.

maybe REM.
but not SY. no.

[YDload]

REM should have quit once Michael Stipe announced that he was gay, but it didnt give him any special powers of rocking out like it did for Mercury, Bowie, Halford, etc.

[sr800bkBassist]

well, Bowie's bi i think, he's married to some black girl.

although his performance in Labrynth suggests 100% gay.

[Zorg]

NO.

maybe REM.
but not SY. no.

Sonic Youth are such a joke now. They should have stopped at Goo.

[sr800bkBassist]

early-mid 90's was deffinitely dry for them.
but Sonic Nurse is such an in-depth album, more well written than anything they had done before! and this new CD, from the 4 songs i've heard, seems like it won't be better than Sonic Nurse but not worse. about equal. can't wait.

[YDload]

sr800bk is it true that there are a lot of similarities between Sonic Youth and ...Trail of Dead? Because I definitely like the latter but haven't listened to any SY.

[Zorg]

What's the point when I got Daydream Nation?

Bands should just do what Steve Albini does with his.

[EightMilesHigh]

these (http://www.flatbiller.com/gallery/d/68-1/broparty.jpg)

Oh god. Yep, I know what you mean.

[sr800bkBassist]

sr800bk is it true that there are a lot of similarities between Sonic Youth and ...Trail of Dead? Because I definitely like the latter but haven't listened to any SY.
not a direct similarity. i haven't listened to too much ...Trail of the Dead but i have a basic idea of their sound. even though they don't sound extremely alike, they're deffinitely one of those "if you like one you'll like the other" kind of pairs.

just with Sonic Youth you have to be careful what you check out first because they change their genre every 2 or 3 albums. make sure you hear a big variety of stuff before you make a final decision.

i know you'll like SY though. they should fit your tastes just fine.

[Society Sellout]

Wow... talk about thread hijack.

[ATM]

although his performance in Labrynth suggests 100% gay.

:lol:

[Zorg]

Cause we all know Ziggy Stardust screamed heterosexuality.

[liebherk]

I think when it comes down to it, what's going on when somebody gets all elitist about music is just part of a larger, basic human desire to belong to something important. People like to organize themselves into groups, and of course everyone wants to be the best, so at times rationality goes out the window and you end up with "LOL UR M00ZIK SUX A$S MIENS BET-R."

The same thing happens with lots of things, like different schools, or sports, or sports teams, or high school cliques, you name it. People have a tendency to put down things that are even slightly in opposition to whatever aspect of their life it pertains to, especially things they aren't familiar with and definitely shouldn't be talking about. While I'm on the subject, why do some people find it so difficult to learn about something before they diss it? Someone who is not familiar with a subject by no means should be putting it down, or sometimes, for that matter, praising it.

On selling out - what do good bands deserve, if not to make it big? I'm sure not everyone or even a lot of people have this viewpoint, but so often when I see people talking about a band "making it," "selling out" goes hand in hand. Usually it's the elitest types, the ones who are more into music as opposed to the ignorant fans. Should a good band remain in relative obscurity in its local scene, if it means that it stays true to itself (cliche alert, *bwaaaah bwaaaah bwaaaah*)?

Take Thrice, for instance. They're way different than when they started out as a kind of punk/hardcoreish/whatever band in Orange County. As they got recognized and got bigger, their sound continually morphed until it became what is it today. I firmly believe that that change was due to the band maturing (growing) and doing what they wanted to do. I've seen lots of people complain about the change and wish they'd make stuff more like The Illusion of Safety. As Teppei said on the DVD, well I forget the quote exactly but it was something like, "That would just be boring, making the same record over again."

Anyway, lots of people who were fans of the early Thrice are varying degrees of angry at the way they've changed. They didn't stick to the original "scene." Isn't that what some call selling out? Well it shouldn't be. It's called growing up, and if somebody can't appreciate Thrice's newer stuff alongside the old, well, they obviously need to do the same.

Well, I completely forgot where I was going with all of that. =]

I'm sure you get the point. Can I get a woo-hoo for late night ramblings?!?

[YDload]

i was going to say that you typed waaaaaaaay too many words on a subject that most of us agree upon anyway, but i've fallen victim to typing long posts late at night too so i guess i can sympathize with you

[Little Man being Erased]

Hey, I'm not fat. **** you nacho!

[AlternativeX]

wow dei u really have some sort of stick up ur *** to get that worked up over a simple thread. and that whole "put out more ****ty ablums blah blah (insert your own bitchy whining here)" is full of crap. Im sure thats wut they said wen they made their last couple of albums,"hey guys, u no wut wood b e cool? if 4 r next couple of albums we totally sell out after years of being true musicians, yea that sounds good" sometimes people in threads make profound and thought provoking points, i guess ur not one of those people.

[YDload]

dont bump old threads with unintelligible garbage.