TOOL makes Music History.. Unbelieveable !

[RoN_jErEmY]

I didn't know if you people knew this. But, If you burn both Viginti Tres followed by Wings for marie .. Then, play that track as one with 10,000 days as another track and play both at the same time, Both Wings for Marie AND 10,000 days sync ! It is incredible ! It is like an 8 piece band but it all FLOWS ! It flows like one song.. It is the most unique and incredible thing I have ever heard in my life.. BadA$$ ! The vocals, drums, the guitar riffs, everything flows ! Both songs get heavy at the same point at 9 minutes and 14 seconds in, it is magical ! This band synched tracks ! They synched them in testament to Maynard's mother passing to sound like an 8 piece band.. The vocals wisp back and forth almost like a conversation during the sync.. It's UNREAL !

Tool meant these tracks to synch.. If you look at the track times, "10,000 days" is 11 mins and 13 seconds long.. When you add the track times of "Viginti Tres" and "Wings for Marie" it adds up to 11:13 as well.. Look at the album cover ! There are 3 faces with one in the front.. This SICK band meant for all three tracks to play as one song for the self-title track "10,000 days" . Freaky !!

By the way, "Viginti Tres" means the number 23 in Latin . 23 is the number of synchronicity . And nothing is more synchronous than hearing the tracks mixed as I described .. Everything Tool writes is for a reason. These aren't merely interludes and fillers this band puts between songs. All their tracks have a meaning and there's a reason why they are there .. They are truly a one of a kind band like no other.

I recommend using a surround sound system for this.. Play 10,000 days in the rear and viginti treS + Wings for Marie in the front.. It's much better than headphones with listening each tune in one ear.. Because you have a fade with headphones.. Ever notice sometimes the bass guitar (or the effects) will only play in one ear with headphones ? And you may have to adjust the bars and volume.. But once you set it right, the sync is undeniable and it is a pure treat .. Well this is what I mean . It must be heard with a surround system . About two minutes in there will be sounds swingin around your head..It is so cosmic and trippy. When it gets heavy at 9 minutes and 14 seconds in, Both songs get heavy at the same point and it sounds like a cohesive 8 piece band. It's crazy ! I havent stopped listening to this musical feast for 3 days now.. This band is SICK SICK SICK !!

Tool, once again, has come up with something totally innovative on an album. A band that is truly unparalleled IMHO. They never disappoint . On the 2001 release Lateralus , they did the infamous fibonacci sequence in the title song.. Tool's Lateralus is the best album front to back I have ever heard, PERIOD.. They are intoxicating once you give them enough time to squeeze into your consciousness. And with hours of straight listening, your flattened.. Because this band is so deep, it takes a long time for you to absorb their musical complexities , waves and textures. But once you absorb them with alot of listens, it is entrenched into your psychy and they are a mad MAD addiction ..

Every album this foursome comes up with has some new mad musical ideas, they are like mad musical scientists .. Here, in 10,000 days they sync three songs , to make it sound like one incredible song ! The only band in history to accomplish this incredible feat on an album.. This band is pure genius. And with every release they never cease to amaze me. For about 10 years now this band has made me just speechless. I have received such pleasures over their sound over the years that I believe these 4 guys who call themselves "Tool" , are really from another planet ... Pure genius . What innovation . What an experience . Album of the year . This is a masterpiece !!

[Ornery Cephalopod]

10/10

[Jawaharal]

Its gonna be kinda hard to press play on three different locations at once.

[Bartender]

They're not the first band to make pieces of music which, when played at the same time, synchronise with each other. They're just not pointing it out to people.

[masada]

I'm glad someoine finally figured this stuff out.

Applause.

[Neurotoxin]

Its gonna be kinda hard to press play on three different locations at once.

Why wouldn't you just open them all in a music editing software, overlap them, then export them?

[niobium]

/testing

[Iai]

Honestly, who gives a ****.

[Neurotoxin]

As am I. I just did a little research, and it'd make sense:

"The 23 Enigma is a belief that the number 23 is of particular or unusual significance, especially in relation to disasters."

It's actually a frequent number in Occult dealings, which everyone knows Danny is involved heavily with.

Side note: The producers of the TV show LOST announced that out of all the important "Lost numbers" on the show, 23 is the most important. This might have to do with the angle of Earth's axis, or the fact that humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes.

Honestly, who gives a ****.

Uhh, it's pretty awesome.

[dei]

TOOL's made history by being the worst band ever.

[Neurotoxin]

TOOL's made history by being the worst band ever.

...and you've made history by being the biggest idiot ever. Congratulations! :)

[Iai]

Uhh, it's pretty awesome.
If it's so awesome, Tool should have synched up the songs for me. I have better things to be doing with my time.

[Neurotoxin]

If it's so awesome, Tool should have synched up the songs for me. I have better things to be doing with my time.

Why exactly would they do that? Not only would it render the entire concept meaningless, it'd obliterate the fun derived from discovery.

[dei]

...and you've made history by being the biggest idiot ever. Congratulations! :)
That's not true. I am smarter than most, if not all, TOOL fans.

[Neurotoxin]

I'm testing it out right now, and holy ****, it actually sounds amazing. I'm two minutes in, so I'm not sure if it'll continue.

That's not true. I am smarter than most, if not all, TOOL fans.

Impossible, especially after making your previous comment.

[Otherside]

That's not true. I am smarter than most, if not all, TOOL fans.As shown by your love of amazing and talented bands such as Clap Your Hands And Say Yeah, amirite?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

5 seconds in audio editing, listened through, and its not really all that great after it all. Same as the Lateralus one, it might have been intended, or be a big coincidence, but its nothing special in the end.

[spoon_of_grimbo]

anyone know any good sound software i could get free off the internet to overlap these with?

[Iai]

Why exactly would they do that? Not only would it render the entire concept meaningless, it'd obliterate the fun derived from discovery.
I have enough fun in my life without indulging the masturbatory habits of a band who sound perfectly fine without their ludicrously obsessive fanbase ****ing about with their music, thank you very much.

[dei]

As shown by your love of amazing and talented bands such as Clap Your Hands And Say Yeah, amirite?
I don't love Clap Your Hands Say Yeah. I said I liked them and that's it. But I don't think they're one of the most innovative bands of all-time or argue that they're even close to being a great band. TOOL fans do this all the time even though this band is nowhere near decent.

[Neurotoxin]

I have enough fun in my life without indulging the masturbatory habits of a band who sound perfectly fine without their ludicrously obsessive fanbase ****ing about with their music, thank you very much.

Right. For a moment there I completely forgot you're the only person who matters! What was I thinking? :eek:

[blueyxd]

They're not the first band to make pieces of music which, when played at the same time, synchronise with each other.
Yeah, even Nickelback does this.

:smash:

Anyway, I'm having a listen, but I don't quite have it in perfect sync, it is pretty close however. Some bits sound off.

[Neurotoxin]

My initial attempt was slightly off, so I zoomed in fully and moved it over to the exact millisecond. I'll see if it helps.

[blueyxd]

The bit where the guitar slides up slowly, somewhere between 8 and 9 mins doesn't sound very good, but otherwise it's worked. I didnt get a huge boner over it though.

[Otherside]

I don't love Clap Your Hands Say Yeah. I said I liked them and that's it. But I don't think they're one of the most innovative bands of all-time or argue that they're even close to being a great band. TOOL fans do this all the time even though this band is nowhere near decent.

Yeah yeah, I just love giving you hard time about YHSY, that's all.

[Neurotoxin]

That's the only part that sounded a little sketchy to me. I'll be adjusting the timing by a few milliseconsd to see if it makes a difference.

[Zmev]

BOY OH BOY NO ONE HAS EVER PUT ANY THING EVER IN SYNC WE SHOULD THANK TOOL FOR BEING MUSICAL VISIONARIES

[ATM]

Anyone else tired of Tool?

[IHeartDisco]

Anyone else tired of Tool?
Yes....they actually bore me now...they used to interest me...now Im not even arsed to go out and get the new album

[ATM]

I'm just tired of the hardcore Tool fans, the hardcore Tool fan haters, and the band itself.

[Neurotoxin]

I'm tired of the hardcore Tool fan haters more than anything. Actually, haters of any fans, for that matter.

[ATM]

Well, the hardcore Tool fans are just as annoying.

[Neurotoxin]

Idiots will be idiots, regardless of their taste in music. In most cases, "fanboys" and "fanboy" haters aren't much different.

[EightMilesHigh]

omfg! no wai! We must praise Maynard as a Christ-like figure from now on! Someone get him a velvet couch and some peeled grapes!

Christ. :rolleyes:

[pulseczar]

Has everyone forgotten about Zaireeka by the Flaming Lips? Oh wait, of course, they're Tool fans nvmkthx.

[rhinestone04]

Has everyone forgotten about Zaireeka by the Flaming Lips? Oh wait, of course, they're Tool fans nvmkthx.

I was just about to bring this up, but I thank you greatly for doing so.


Tool hasn't made any musical history with this.... I am truly sick of Tool fans being like "OMGSH TOOL IS GOD OF MUSIC"

[YDload]

The first post of this thread is long, nearly incomprehensible and lacks a definite flow. I'd say the threadstarter has described Tool in his own post!

[pixiesfanyo]

^ tru dat

[Merkaba]

As shown by your love of amazing and talented bands such as Clap Your Hands And Say Yeah, amirite?:lol::amaze: :thumb:


People need to quit "hatin'' on tool. Either you like them or you don't...but to just say that they are not worth a dam really shows major ignorance. Its like saying that Steve Vai couldn't play guitar well just because you dont like him.

[YDload]

I think saying "either you like them or you don't" is a pretty divisive, fundamentalist thing to say. I like Tool's songs but I hate most of their fans, and it makes me genuinely embarassed to say either of those things because of how combatant the fanboys are!

[clearvision]

People have got to stop reacting to things they see written on the internet :-/

I didn't get much out of this synch on first listen. But my listening setup is pretty shocking. I'll listen again later.

[YDload]

People have got to stop reacting to things they see written on the internet :-/

**** YOU ROBERT I HATE UR FUKKIN FAGGOT GUTS!

[Sound Boy]

i second that but i understand the point.

[sweboy]

So where can I find this universe-changing masterpiece of divine ingenuity? That is, the crap cut and the songs as one file.

[Sam]

Tool is gay.

[IHeartDisco]

:lol::amaze: :thumb:


People need to quit "hatin'' on tool. Either you like them or you don't...but to just say that they are not worth a dam really shows major ignorance. Its like saying that Steve Vai couldn't play guitar well just because you dont like him.


Haha dont be silly Steve Vai cant play guitar....









...he's miming and got ****ing Satriani at the side of the stage

[Mr Observations]

Ron Jeremy is a fag.

[incubliss]

Hahaha, this is definately the worst place you could have posted this information.

[DrunksWithGuns]

eh, don't like tool, thats kinda cool though.

Although its been done before.

[FA]

Am I the only one bewildered as to why Tool keeps getting posted in the A7I forums? I don't have a problem with Tool but I don't see them as alternative or indie.

/shrug.

[Aryeth]

ITT - Tool haters unite

[Kurtz]

i don't care

moving on

[thunderzstruck]

can anyone host the file somehwere?

i really dont feel like syncing it up and everything

[Syncratic]

TS...you give Tool fans a bad name.

Listen, they didn't make music history. Pieces like this have been made by bands before.

Get your head out of your *** and stop thinking that these guys are musical gods. There merely musicians, good ones, but musicians nonetheless.

And this is coming from a guy formerly named "Maynard James Keenan" on these forums.

[pixiesfanyo]

The sync up is acutally pretty interesting.

The only problem is like normal, Tool drags everything out without acutally accomplishing anything.

[Dave de Sylvia]

The only problem I have with Tool is that I don't like them.

[pixiesfanyo]

The only problem I have with Tool is that I don't like them.

tru dat.

[Zappa]

Can anyone give me a meaningful reason for doing something like that with a piece of music?

[incubliss]

Can anyone give me a meaningful reason for doing something like that with a piece of music?

It's cool.

[Kayetan]

To explore their capabilities as musicians, I suppose.

Anyway, I'd hardly call myself a tool fan, but I don't understand why people hate them so much. I don't think they've made music history though.

[FrddyBrnRgrJhn]

yeah yeah yeah tool is cool and all, they have music that synchs up, but that doesn't make them gods. i'm so sick of the whole "everything maynard does is a masterpiece" attitude. i havent heard the synched thing yet. i'm sure it's cool, but it's not that hard to do. i have a bad feeling this is gonna be the dark side of the moon for the new generation of stoners.

and what the hell is wrong with CYHSY??

[FrddyBrnRgrJhn]

isn't it so incredible that roger waters sings "brain damage" at the same time that the scarecrow sings "if i only had a brain"!?!?! it's like ****ing mindblowing

[pixiesfanyo]

Can anyone give me a meaningful reason for doing something like that with a piece of music?

that's what prog is all about.

[WAK (while killing)]

Personnaly I'm not very impressed with the synch. It really takes away from just the song by itself, and I love Tool.

[Anxious]

Have yoyu heard of Zaireeka by the Flaming Lips? Cause after hearing that this is nothing new at all. And its also a hell of a lot less pretentious.

[Otherside]

Just seven-point? Weak.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

It's less pretentious because the Flaming Lips are on an independent label.

[InfernoX14]

I don't love Clap Your Hands Say Yeah. I said I liked them and that's it. But I don't think they're one of the most innovative bands of all-time or argue that they're even close to being a great band. TOOL fans do this all the time even though this band is nowhere near decent.

You have your opinions. Let us have ours.

Leave us the **** alone.

[ATM]

You have your opinions. Let us have ours.

Leave us the **** alone.

You say "leave us alone", but it's usually the Tool fans trying to push there opinions on everyone else.

[dei]

You say "leave us alone", but it's usually the Tool fans trying to push there opinions on everyone else.
Quoted for truth.

[BillCosby]

As a Mars Volta fan I must tread lightly in my Tool-bashing.

But yeah, I tried it and it didn't sound particularly cool or mindblowing, just like everything else I've heard from Tool.

[YDload]

Am I the only one bewildered as to why Tool keeps getting posted in the A7I forums? I don't have a problem with Tool but I don't see them as alternative or indie.

/shrug.

Because there's a big Tool thread in Rock/Metal where they belong, and the threadstarter wants all his attention here instead of posting it in a big thread in a bigger forum.

[Sound Boy]

You say "leave us alone", but it's usually the Tool fans trying to push there opinions on everyone else.

actually this thread was started to inform us on the sync of the songs not pushing the opinion on people saying "you have to listen to this or your nothing" and people just started bashing tool.

if you dont think tool is a good band. fine. if your tired of hearing the "fanboys" bitch about them. then stop instigating. if you must post, simply put "im not a fan". not "Tool sucks..blah blah blah...Pretentious this pretentious that"... but i guess some of us cant hold back our negative opinions

[StreetlightRock]

Bah. Pink Floyd Sync'd an entrie album to a movie. Still, I prefer listeing to the sync than 10,000k days, wings and Vt alone.

[ATM]

actually this thread was started to inform us on the sync of the songs not pushing the opinion on people saying "you have to listen to this or your nothing" and people just started bashing tool.

if you dont think tool is a good band. fine. if your tired of hearing the "fanboys" bitch about them. then stop instigating. if you must post, simply put "im not a fan". not "Tool sucks..blah blah blah...Pretentious this pretentious that"... but i guess some of us cant hold back our negative opinions

I can see your point of view, but I guess the music makes me dislike the band and the fans make me hate the band.

[spoon_of_grimbo]

it's got an eerie feel to it overall, but its not life-changing. however hte album itself is pretty phenomenal, and im really a tool-obsessive. i dont own any other of their stuff, and i've only heard a few other songs by them.

[sens22]

If it's so awesome, Tool should have synched up the songs for me. I have better things to be doing with my time.

yes, like by posting whether or not synching songs is awesome or not? idiot.

I have enough fun in my life without indulging the masturbatory habits of a band who sound perfectly fine without their ludicrously obsessive fanbase ****ing about with their music, thank you very much.

yes, like indulging in the masturbatory habits of posting 13,400 times in a forum. good job, buddy.

[pixiesfanyo]

yes, like by posting whether or not synching songs is awesome or not? idiot.



yes, like indulging in the masturbatory habits of posting 13,400 times in a forum. good job, buddy.

You're a nerd too. Quit using this logic to place negative presumptions on Iai.

[Wanker]

Ok, thats cool I guess. But both tracks add up to 11:15, not 11:13.

/dork

[ThaFleastyler]

^
Nice Lost reference there, Wanker :)

[Reywas]

What reference?

I'm fairly certain threadstarter was being sarcastic and he actually hates tool fans just like many of you.

[Reywas]

yes, like by posting whether or not synching songs is awesome or not? idiot.



yes, like indulging in the masturbatory habits of posting 13,400 times in a forum. good job, buddy.


Iai is probably God. Are you a religious person?

[Wanker]

^
Nice Lost reference there, Wanker :)

Hehe, thanks. I try my best. :smoke:

John Locke's the shiznit.

[Iron Bug]

What reference?

I'm fairly certain threadstarter was being sarcastic and he actually hates tool fans just like many of you.
I doubt he would'eve written that much if he was kidding. Also, all I've ever heard from Tool was really boring and uneventful.

[incubliss]

Ok, thats cool I guess. But both tracks add up to 11:15, not 11:13.

/dork

From the CD, if you add them both up, they're both exactly 11:12 each. 23.

[Robert Crumb]

I doubt he would'eve written that much if he was kidding. Also, all I've ever heard from Tool was really boring and uneventful.

You lie! Tool's music has many events.

[Gnarmageddon]

I guess this is pretty cool, but it's not as amazing as everyone is making it.

"Hey guys, let's make one song, split it up into 3 separate ones, and wait for people to figure out to put it together!"

And I'm too lazy to read through the thread to see if anyone's already said that.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

No, it's legit...but not as great as I expected. Although the buildup of both Wings For Marie and 10,000 Days comes at the same time which is pretty cool. Virginti Tres is also pretty cool accompanying the thunderstorm effects.

But all in all the song doesn't sound that much better.

[YDload]

Viginti Tres is just ambient noise anyway, so it could fit in almost anywhere. I bet it would even go good with Parabol if it were the same length!

[ATM]

YDload you love your exclamation points :-D

[Little Man being Erased]

YDload you love your exclamation points :-D
I was almost going to say the exact same thing.


But on the topic, how the hell do people actually discover useless **** like this?

[ATM]

Probably from one of the 1,000,000,000 Tool websites.

[Annoyance]

I don't know who I am sick of more, Tool or The Arctic Monkeys.

[pixiesfanyo]

Nah, they use a protactor on a graphed version of 10,000 Days.

[YDload]

YDload you love your exclamation points :-D

am i the only person who uses exclamation points on this site? or just the only one who uses exactly one per sentence, and not dozens of them along with that "!!!111oneoneeleven" crap that people still think is clever?

[Little Man being Erased]

Nah, they use a protactor on a graphed version of 10,000 Days.
I can just picture an ultra-mega Tool geek sitting at a computer in his underwear in a darkened room listening to 10,000 Days over and over and doing **** like that.

[ATM]

am i the only person who uses exclamation points on this site? or just the only one who uses exactly one per sentence, and not dozens of them along with that "!!!111oneoneeleven" crap that people still think is clever?

Yea, I couldn't be more tired of that either.

[blankpagespeaks]

That's awesome man. It doesn't surprise me that Tool would do something stellar such as this. They never cease to blow me away with each release. Incredible musicians!

[Sound Boy]

hey we just made forum history...if you read all the posts backwards while listening to "Trapped in the Closet part 2" by R. Kelly...you'll be twenty-five percent dumber then when you started. CAUSE IT ALL SYNCS UP!

[charolastra]

im trying really hard to be impressed...

but nothing's working.

[Kurrpt]

i see it more as a coincidence, and really couldnt stand the "synched" track...



as far as people detesting the band, based on their fans, thats really one of the stupidest arguements i've ever heard. Thats like saying you don't like Wal-Mart due to the minorities present when you walk through the door :lol:

[Tomahawk]

So if this is true, then like, a quarter of the album is really just meant as a backing track? Great. That explains it, I guess.

But yeah, cool. Sure, anybody who listens to the album casually won't get the intended experience and could possibly think that the album is just inconsistent and full of filler. But those guys are philistines! You've gotta work to enjoy art, right?

I'm gonna assume that this is just Tool fans looking too hard, as they tend to do. But if it's true, it's pretty douchey.

[ThaFleastyler]

Originally Posted by Kurrpt
i see it more as a coincidence, and really couldnt stand the "synched" track...
Yeah .......... I got it synced up last night (by lining up the 2 heavy parts) and listened to it again. I will say that it was earth-shatteringly .......... disappointing. I prefer the tracks seperately to be honest, and am going to just assume its a coincidence until such time as the band makes an announcement or something.

[WAK (while killing)]

People sure did blow this way out of porportion, it wasn't that good.

[incubliss]

I'm gonna assume that this is just Tool fans looking too hard, as they tend to do. But if it's true, it's pretty douchey.

When you listen to it, you'll see it's not a coincidence.

[TheBigPK]

Wow thats amazing.... they echo... woooopdediddly doo. Dont reccomend waiting the like 8 minutes just to hear the exact same thing twice. That or i was a tad bit off in the sync but even if so it's nothing special like RoN says, certainly not twenty '!'s worth.
And i was watchin each time and they were nearly perfectly synched on the times, the echos were at least a few seconds off.. sooo its just echos YAY!

[supermassive]

Oh my god man i thnk my head is going to explode!!! That is totally mind blowing.

[Zmev]

i see it more as a coincidence, and really couldnt stand the "synched" track...

No.

Nothing is coincidental with Tool.

Everything happens for a reason.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Tool is reason itself. Without Tool, there is no logic.

[EightMilesHigh]

Tool is reason itself. Without Tool, there is no logic.

Without logic, there is madness. Lawl*essness. Anarchy in the U.K., so to speak.

*hahaha

[mr_jackalope]

Did you know that if you start playing a copy of Kid A and then start another exactly 17 seconds later, it synchs up?!?

*hits head against wall*

[looozer]

This may have already been said, but the Flaming Lips' Zaareika(sp?) was more innovative than that. It's good that people are experimenting with traditional musical formats though. I'm sure you all have heard about rearranging the tracks on Lateralus to make a continuous piece of music and whatnot. It's cool, but it's nothing new or fantastic, and nothing groundbreaking. That doesn't mean that it's worth dismissing though.

[Holyed]

Tool is reason itself. Without Tool, there is no logic.

And don't let a 4 minute track of wind and flowing electricity tell you different.

[ThaFleastyler]

What is this "Lateralus" thing you speak of? Can someone explain that one for me? Maybe in the topic I started about syncing things up?

[STLMiguel]

I have enough fun in my life without indulging the masturbatory habits of a band who sound perfectly fine without their ludicrously obsessive fanbase ****ing about with their music, thank you very much.

I just joined these forums and here is my first post: That is hilarious.

I am a fairly huge Tool fan and still think AEnima is one of the better heavy albums I've ever heard, but c'mon, the new disc sort of sucks. And this is ridiculous that people are freaking out so much about something that takes so much time. I mean, the Dark Side of the Moon-Wizard of Oz thing is one thing, this is just kind of stupid.

[ATM]

I just joined these forums and here is my first post: That is hilarious.

I am a fairly huge Tool fan and still think AEnima is one of the better heavy albums I've ever heard, but c'mon, the new disc sort of sucks. And this is ridiculous that people are freaking out so much about something that takes so much time. I mean, the Dark Side of the Moon-Wizard of Oz thing is one thing, this is just kind of stupid.

I like you just because of your user title.

[looozer]

What is this "Lateralus" thing you speak of? Can someone explain that one for me? Maybe in the topic I started about syncing things up?
You know how the lyrics in the song allude to spirals? "Spiral of love, keep going..." Well, apparently, if you take the tracks and rearrange them, they flow continuously. I'm not sure about this, but it sounds cooler. It goes 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. Basically add the tracks up and they make 13, go out until you hit "Lateralus," and then continue back in from the ends. If you were to graph the ordered pairs, they would make a spiral. If you focus long enough, Maynard himself will tell you the secret of life. Unless he's busy making wine.

Also, the drumbeats and lyrics in parts of "Lateralus" form a Fibonacci sequence: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13, etc. If you listen to Lateralus in this order, it sounds cooler:

Parabol
Parabola
Schism
Ticks & Leeches
Mantra
Lateralus
Faaip de Oaid
The Grudge
Triad
Eon Blue Apocalypse
Reflection
The Patient
Disposition


Yeah...

[Iai]

The hilarious thing is, if the album was actually released like that, it'd have been dismissed for being totally top-heavy. Wait, that'd make it 10,000 Days!

[STLMiguel]

I like you just because of your user title.

Are you a fan of St. Louis or the name Miguel?

Either way, uh, thanks!

Has anybody heard about the newest thing with 10,000 Days? If you listen to tracks 1, 2, 5, 8 and then stop listening, it actually sounds like the band didn't completely lose its balls.

[Dave de Sylvia]

He meant the MM... Food part.

[STLMiguel]

Oh ...

Yeah, Doom is a beast.

[!aaa!]

This is crazy, think about all the other stuff like this that no one knows about, I have heard scarcely any Tool but find their wittiness in doing that quite impressive. Word!

[rockindrummer]

Does anyone know if the heavy part should be alined of if the vocals after than should be?

[rockindrummer]

The hilarious thing is, if the album was actually released like that, it'd have been dismissed for being totally top-heavy. Wait, that'd make it 10,000 Days!

Piss off man. If you don't like the album there is no reason for you to come in here and bitch out about it. You don't think tool is good, great that's you opinion so keep it to yourself.

[dei]

If everyone kept their opinions to themselves, this discussion forum would've died a long time ago. Next time, think before you post.

[cb240]

Piss off man. If you don't like the album there is no reason for you to come in here and bitch out about it. You don't think tool is good, great that's you opinion so keep it to yourself.

Jackass

[DrunksWithGuns]

I don't know who I am sick of more, Tool or The Arctic Monkeys.

some one should make a poll.

[ThaFleastyler]

Done :)

[DrunksWithGuns]

Thank You :)

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

i see it more as a coincidence, and really couldnt stand the "synched" track...

I agree. I'd much rather listen to the album as it was intended to be listened to.

as far as people detesting the band, based on their fans, thats really one of the stupidest arguements i've ever heard. Thats like saying you don't like Wal-Mart due to the minorities present when you walk through the door :lol:

I agree again. Although it's more like saying you don't like the products that Wal-Mart sells because of the minorities present when you walk through the door, no? Either way, I understand what you're saying.

[YDload]

That analogy sucks. It's more like: I hate Wal-Mart because of their commercials. Fans of a band are word-of-mouth advertising, and they form a lot of people's opinions on the band before they've even listened to it, for better or worse.

[D & V]

lol, flaming lips zaireeka

[Zmev]

lol, flaming lips zaireeka

Welcome to post 113

[dei]

That analogy sucks. It's more like: I hate Wal-Mart because of their commercials. Fans of a band are word-of-mouth advertising, and they form a lot of people's opinions on the band before they've even listened to it, for better or worse.
If everyone that listens to Band X is a ****ing idiot, wouldn't you assume that the band isn't all that great? Yeah. Except I like to take it to the next level and call them names.

[YDload]

I promise to like every single maligned band in the world just so they can say they have one fan that isn't a total dumbass. I already like Tool and System Of A Down so that's a good start. Wish me luck trying to digest all eight ICP albums :(

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

That analogy sucks. It's more like: I hate Wal-Mart because of their commercials. Fans of a band are word-of-mouth advertising, and they form a lot of people's opinions on the band before they've even listened to it, for better or worse.

I think I liked my way better. :p

[dei]

I promise to like every single maligned band in the world just so they can say they have one fan that isn't a total dumbass. I already like Tool and System Of A Down so that's a good start. Wish me luck trying to digest all eight ICP albums :(
You're an idiot for even joking like that.

YDload, I hate you. We're no longer partners.

[EightMilesHigh]

Wish me luck trying to digest all eight ICP albums :(

:lol:

You're gonna need it.

[I Was A Kaleidoscope]

Wish me luck trying to digest all eight ICP albums :(

Oh god.
I'll organise a funeral.

[Reywas]

Suicide Hotline is funny. Juggalos are my favourite kind of fans. So devoted.

[DrunkenMimes22]

not musical history man sorry to burst your bubble, i didn't read through the entire thread so i don't know if it was mentioned but the flaming lips did this with their album "zaireeka". I will say though, that it is definately a cool thing to put on an album :D

[innocent criminal]

yes! tool is an exceptional band...but for how much longer can we all put up with having to wait so long to hear them?! i for one am sick of it! i dont even care if there music is good anymore...they are a great band but their fascination with being mysterious has led to their downfall in my opinion

[WAK (while killing)]

If MJK stops playing with APC, I think they'll release albums quicker

[rockindrummer]

^ I'm not to sure about that. The time between Aenima and Lateralus was 5 years, aswell as the time between Lateralus and 10,000 Days. He had only started to play with APC after Lateralus was released so I don't think it made that much of a difference.

[ThaFleastyler]

Actually, Mer De Noms (APCs debut) came out in May 2000, a year before Lateralus (May 2001). As far as I've read, the reason APC started was because MJK got bored while Tool was having some kind of legal problem. Anyone care to correct me on this?

[Smackers]

Can anyone give me a meaningful reason for doing something like that with a piece of music?

To make a bunch of people who don't know vey much think you're a genius.

[LeCryz]

Actually, Mer De Noms (APCs debut) came out in May 2000, a year before Lateralus (May 2001). As far as I've read, the reason APC started was because MJK got bored while Tool was having some kind of legal problem. Anyone care to correct me on this?

According to this here Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Perfect_Circle), Billy Howerdel formed the band and then Maynard joined, even though Howerdel wanted a female singer.

But I do think that MJK's joining was inspired by legal issues, as you stated.

***

This is a really interesting thread, and definitely the reaon why I joined this forum. I do enjoy Tool, but I guess I enjoy A Perfect Circle more. The synching is very interesting, but as a zillion and a half other people have pointed out, Tool is hardly the first to do so.

I don't understand really why people get so bent out of shape about their musical preferences. People need to chilllll.

[Whats in a name?]

I dont know if anyone has posted links to the song yet but if not

http://www.theslackerslounge.com/tool_threesome.mp3

http://www.sensoryaberration.com/tes...Mega-Track.mp3

I downloaded the first link and it sounded pretty spot on but the second is meant to be better or something.

[Paranoidd]

I remember hearing in an interview that APC started because Josh Freese was working on the new GnR album (in essence, he was doing nothing) while Howerdel was working as an engineer on the same album. Since they had loads of time, they ended up starting APC.

and just to echo the "wtf," sentiments through the thread, if you think Tool is spectacular for doing this, listen to some ****in Neurosis or Tribes of Neurot (or the bunch of other bands who have done this). They have full albums that sync.

[OneEyedMan]

I am dissapointed in a major chunk of you on these forums. When will you learn to appreciate and respect music on a whole? Not only to you disrespect your fellow musicans, but you disrespect the fans of musicans solely because of their liking a certain band. Shame. They can like who ever they like, be it Tool in this case. Just because you don't like Tool doesn't mean you should disrepect them or those that do, grow up. Show some maturity in your posts, if you don't like Tool, or what they are doing, why even bother posting to say so? Do you get some sort of kick from ganging together on fans of a band and saying that in your own opinion that they suck? I really have lost all respect for you.

Saying that, I have myself done the mixing with the tracks and the inter-weaving melody lines are quite interesting. to write effectively a song which then splits into three songs is quite the feat. To have it fit together on such a level is quite amazing, although some small editing is needed, as the silence between tracks puts it off a tiny bit. Although some other band may have done something similar, it still is pretty damn good I say, sure the thread starter was a little over enthusiastic with his claims, he just found something amazing and wanted to share it with all of you and you bad mouthed him etc. That wasn't discussion, it was bullying. Shameful, immature acts that you will hopefully grow out of if you hope to make it anywhere in the world.

If you don't like Tool then keep your opinion to yourself or go else where and voice it, here is not the place. Learn to respect that music is music, have some respect for those out there creating it. I truly hope you do grow up and learn some respect, learn to respect things that you don't fully like. How can you even judge something if you don't go out there yourself create something you think is better. Music is all one big thing but you cannot compare music to itself, music is unique and the one thing that every culture on this planet partake in and do not discriminate towards.

[prurient]

If you like Tool then keep it to yourself or go elsewhere to voice it, here is not the place.

Oh wait, I forgot we don't have a Rock & Metal forum. Silly me.

[Otherside]

I liked his post until the third paragraph :\

I don't really care if people thinks Tool sucks, I can definitely see why they would think that. The annoying posts are those who assume anyone who likes Tool is automatically a fanboy and lumps the person into a group of idiots. That's what gets to me :|

[Dave de Sylvia]

If threads about Tool aren't the place to say that you don't like the band, then I'm at a loss as to where that place may be.
I think his point is that not liking Tool makes Maynard sad. I think.

[prurient]

Maynard.

[EightMilesHigh]

Maynard.

James.

[ThaFleastyler]

Originally Posted by OneEyedMan
If you don't like Tool then keep your opinion to yourself or go else where and voice it, here is not the place. Learn to respect that music is music, have some respect for those out there creating it. I truly hope you do grow up and learn some respect, learn to respect things that you don't fully like.
I am a Tool fan, but this is utter crap - people who don't like Tool have as much right to voice their opinion as people who do like Tool, and a discussion forum is actually the ideal place to do it. Secondly, the majority of people who post here (either who like Tool or not) do respect the music - in fact, if you read carefully, the majority of them dislike Tool more because of bad run-ins with fans who tell them to shut the hell up whenever they say anything bad against Tool.

Lastly, a number of people involved in discussion have well over a thousand posts, and in some cases over 10,000 posts - I don't think someone with 88 posts like yourself (let alone someone with just over 200 like me) is going to change the way these forums run. So why say something stupid?

[Otherside]

Would you believe that an anagram of "Maynard James Keenan" turns out to be "Name my knee and rajas". While that may just sound like a mere coincidence, "rajas" is actually one of the three divisions in the correlations of matter and nature in the ancient Sanskrit language.

Crazy!

Sign of the end times? Yes.

[YDload]

If you don't like Tool then keep your opinion to yourself or go else where and voice it, here is not the place. Learn to respect that music is music, have some respect for those out there creating it. I truly hope you do grow up and learn some respect, learn to respect things that you don't fully like. How can you even judge something if you don't go out there yourself create something you think is better. Music is all one big thing but you cannot compare music to itself, music is unique and the one thing that every culture on this planet partake in and do not discriminate towards.

IF YOUR OPINION IS DIFFERENT THAN MINE YOU MUST SHUT UP

NO EXPRESSION OF CONTRARY OPINIONS IS ALLOWED

[Treebeard]

So does anyone have this thing all set up? I tried those two links that someone posted but neither of them worked for me.

[Dancin' Man]

Someone post a file of them mixed together well. Mine is all in m4a format and I'm too lazy to change it.

[Abaddon2005]

Id like to see a tool track sync up with a track from a totally different band.

[randomthought9]

I used Audacity and put them together, it does work, in fact I just listened to it. It's really cool.

[Treebeard]

Dude, save it and upload it to yousendit so we can all check it out.

[Whats in a name?]

http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195427

go to that site and download from the link from the 7th post

[OneEyedMan]

*sigh* Of course a discussion forum is a place to voice your not liking a band, but taking it to such an extreme in bullying people and out right ripping of a band is just immature and disrepectful. I don't think would have even seen me voicing my concern over people not liking Tool, if they don't like Tool, then thats ok, state so, and state a valid reason, but going as far as I hate tool because of the obsessive fan-base is just ridiculous, that has nothing to do with tool, people are voicing their opinion about how much they like Tool, in their opinion it might be such a good thing, but then you mock them and hate tool because someone can feel such a great connection with a band which is in their opinion perfectly fine. I just do not see your right in doing so.

Here is an alright place to voice their dislike, but honestly, why even go into a thread about Tool if you don't like them? why would you talk about something you don't like? and what the hell does the amount of posts have something to with anything? And never call me stoopid, I raised valid points and backed them up, I see nothing wrong with that.


Other than that responce, does anyone else notice the little bit that is off towards 9:30? like two guitar bits that are the same but one is louder and comes in after the one from 10000 days? If you try and cut noise from the first track to get it in line you stuff up the voices and drums after 9:30. I believe some minor alteration's are needed to make them line up into one song.

[ThaFleastyler]

Originally Posted by OneEyedMan
... if they don't like Tool, then thats ok, state so, and state a valid reason, but going as far as I hate tool because of the obsessive fan-base is just ridiculous ...
But in making a decision on something you have to base it on all the aspects of it that you have available. I fully believe that a fanbase could put you off a band - the same way a salesperson could put you off a car or a congregation could put you off a church. Its really no different, in my eyes.

[OneEyedMan]

I still don't think you should let the fanbase of a band influence your opinion towards a band. Its not about the fans, its about the music and thats what matters, I hope we can both agree on that little tibit.

I also used Audacity to do the mixing http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

It's free and has some very professional features, it's quite easy to use and I can't find anything wrong with it for my purposes.

I still can't synch the tracks exactly right yet. you have to cut some of somewhere and the start of Viginti Tres isn't working as the heavey bit with the guitar goes out or the drumming and the voices towards the end go out. Any one got any ideas?

[dei]

I still don't think you should let the fanbase of a band influence your opinion towards a band. Its not about the fans, its about the music and thats what matters, I hope we can both agree on that little tibit.
It's too bad Tool's music is bullshit.

[Off at work]

Well my take on all of this is simply that both sides, Tool haters and Tool fans, are right. First off, why would a Tool fan post this type of message in an Alternative & Indie forum other than to just gain publicity; is there really any other reason to do this? This is out of line because really Tool can be classified best as, "Prog Rock." Although you have to reflect that Tool has influenced bands, have created music with a message, and even won some awards for their work. To say that they are about as complex as piss on a sidewalk is grossly exaggerated. But to also say that they are God of all music just shows that the person doesn't really have a broad music selection. To hate a band because of it's fans is just plain ignorant. But to love a band because people say it's good is exactly the same ordeal. So you have to draw the line in the middle. Something I don't see in these forums so hopefully I can do that somewhat now in the form of showing both views.

What I can't understand is why would the OP post this in the Alternative & Indie section other than to just gain publicity for the band. This is obviously the first attack that sparked the flame war between Tool fans and haters. But to sit there and actually have something like this piss someone off reflects that person's mental additude. Basically, if you get offended by things on the internet then, chances are, you beat off to romance novels. Keep in mind that this goes both ways, Tool haters and fans. This is, by no means, an excuse to actually post something so destructive that it would actually start a flame war.

To further explain: Sure Tool has a rather large fan-base, mostly in Austrialia, that loves to express their zealous opinions like Tool is the only true, meaningful rock music. Who doesn't think this about their favorite band, really? Even Tool haters do this with statements that make the band seem like they are equivalant to only piss on a sidewalk. But before anyone posts, keep in mind to criticize the music; not the person. If a people start attacking others, then the thread becomes a whole immature mess that can't have any real value to a normal person reading nine pages worth of it in hopes of finding some value. (Waste a whole goddamn 15-30 minutes of my life)

I laugh whenever I find people who create their tastes in music by what others influence on them. Again, this goes for both sides fans and haters. It is so stupid to have other people influnce taste in music; or in anything really. It just goes to show how weakminded most individuals are. Please, form your own opinions on a topic and don't let media force feed you bull**** down your throat. So all in all, people should know that comments like "This music is revolutionary." And, "This music is such a piece of crap, don't even bother listening to it." Hinders a band's musical awareness greatly because of so many dim-witted people who just sit in front of the idiot-box all day, eating cheedoes, in order to get their infromation from the outside world. Basically, if you see comments like this, take them lightly because they are only opinions.

Overall I hope this clears up some of the choking air that is circulating within this post. Although I might not have made much sense or have been stating the obvious because I'm tired and flustered. But if there is anything to get out of this post, it would be this: Take opinions on forums lightly because if you take them seriously, chances are you need to re-evaluate your logic.

PS: How's that for first post? Heh. Oh and who is this band, "Flaming Lips?" What style of music are they?

"Dave Mathews band sucks. Anyone who is offended by this comment is the problem with this country. People who are offended shouldn't be asking themselves, why in the hell would anyone have a different opinion than me? No. What they should be asking themself is, why do I like such shitty music?" -Daniel Tosh

[EightMilesHigh]

[QUOTE=Off at work

PS: How's that for first post? Heh. Oh and who is this band, "Flaming Lips?" What style of music are they?[/QUOTE]

they're an awesome band from oklahoma who do like psychedelic surrealist acid-pop rock.

[YDload]

I laugh whenever I find people who create their tastes in music by what others influence on them.

In the broadest sense, that is the only way people gain a taste in music.

PS I think this thread should be closed. Nobody should have bumped it after a month just to type a marathon of words about something nobody cares about anymore.

[Off at work]

In the broadest sense, that is the only way people gain a taste in music.

In broadest sense, yes. But it also shows how many people are lazy and dim-witted. Therefor they form their own opinions on what others around them feel. Eventually not creating individuality, or creativity, further leading to a pop-fanbase, and finally dimming the original qualities of a band/musician.

I hate pop...

PS I think this thread should be closed. Nobody should have bumped it after a month just to type a marathon of words about something nobody cares about anymore.

Agreed. I've expressed my opinions so I'll let the post die in peace.

[YDload]

You're not going to have a very bright future here if you don't allow yourself to be influenced by the tastes of others. Not that you have to LIKE what people recommend to you, but this forum in particular is full of lots of people who listen to lots of different music. There's no shame in checking out whatever they think is awesome at the moment. If you stick around long enough, you'll find that you're eternally grateful to at least one user on this site for hawking a band you end up loving.

[Off at work]

You're not going to have a very bright future here if you don't allow yourself to be influenced by the tastes of others. Not that you have to LIKE what people recommend to you, but this forum in particular is full of lots of people who listen to lots of different music. There's no shame in checking out whatever they think is awesome at the moment. If you stick around long enough, you'll find that you're eternally grateful to at least one user on this site for hawking a band you end up loving.

There is a difference between influence and recognition. But maybe we should just let this post die.

[YDload]

Fine by me. But it seems like you enjoy typing up large paragraphs full of text, so maybe you should try your hand at writing album reviews.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com

Nobody cares what you say here in the forums, but you're bound to get more notice for your effort over at the review site :)