::The WORLD MUSIC Thread::

[JonM]

This is my attempt to get proactive on a musical area I've found to be sadly neglected around here. This thread is for musicians, students of ethnomusicology, and listeners of all ages and intensities to discuss the traditional and indigenous musics of the world. Ideally, people who are knowledgeable in specific areas will turn the rest of us on to new music that will inspire us, inform our own musical abilities, pique our interest in regions about which we know little, and foster greater understanding of people around the world.

I'm fairly knowledgeable about the music of much of Asia, having just taken a class on the subject, but I'm far from an expert. I've studied the music of Iran, India, Tuva, Tibet, China, Japan, and Bali, and I have quite a few CDs in some of the important genres from each (especially India and Bali). I also know and have a bit from North, West, and Central Africa (plus other isolated African countries from which I happen to have picked up CDs), and some Middle Eastern music, but mostly I'm just eager to learn. If anyone knows anything about indigenous North or South American music, please enlighten us.

I also have a lot of non-traditional "fusion" world music from all over the place. If you're interested in any region's music, just throw it out there.

Now discuss!

[Zappa]

I don't like the term "world" music, because it just seems weak, I guess. I think I'm supposed to dislike it for some other reason, but I'm not sure what that is.

I really love this one Bulgarian choir group called Le Mystère Des Voix Bulgares. Like really love a lot. Their album Melody Rhythm & Harmony is really amazing.

[JonM]

I don't like it, either. The other reason is because it alienates the countries it refers to from the industrialized world. I just used it because most people don't care, so it would make a better thread title.

[PDWAB]

Yeah it does seem to be kind of a lame generalization of hundreds of different cultures that have an equally rich history as western musics.

I went to a Balinese Gamelan concert the other night and it was very cool. It seems it's a lot more communal experience in the culture then some western music experiences.

[JonM]

Definitely. I guess it's the nature of the instrument. Did you like it a lot? Was it gong kebjar? Like I said, I've got a lot of Balinese music, so if you'd like to have some, just say so.

[CaptainWaits]

Jesse Cook?? He'd fit into a World category, right? Anyways, I've always been a fairly big Cook fan. He's written a lot of amazing music! :)

[antiant]

first of all, i'd like to say thanks JonM for making this thread, i'm a HUGE "world music" fan and was actually thinking about making one the same time you did or actually a mailing list (wouldn't that be cool), but that wouldn't be too successfull i already know because most people (sorry for the genralization) aren't into this particular genre and if they are it's VERY limited, they don't dig deeper into it when there is so much to learn, but at any rate i have quite a bit of "world music" imo and wouldn't mind exposing you guys at all, it actually makes me happy to share my music and know that someone actually likes it and is open to different music and isn't stuck on one genre (i know it's a preference for some, but sometimes you learn a lot if you just keep your mind open) nonetheless, i thought i was the only one who has heard of "ethnomusicology" LOL jk...i was thinking about that as a possible major, it would be/and is right up my alley, but i decided otherwise, but it's nice to know that you know something about this genre...anyways i'm no expert myself either, but i do know more than the "average" music listener i would say, i've heard many names and or know of them and would like to check them out, but it's very hard to get "world music" albums sometimes especially when you live in a place like America where the demand isn't that high (part of that being due to the fact that it's not that culturally influenced as other countries who share numerous borders even though they say it's a "melting pot" it really isn't)

I just recently picked up a few worldly cds in fact and am enjoying them, just to share a few things with you guys for those who may not know:

1. WOMAD a world music festival that happens every year in various countries, i've always wanted to attend one (maybe someday)
WOMAD (http://www.womad.org/)
2. World Event Village - great source for learning and listening to world music from all over the world, you need a subscription, but they've got some neat stuff on there, i use to listen to it when they just were starting, opening it up to the public, it use to be free :)
World Event Village (http://www.worldeventvillage.com/en/)
3. Magazines: there are quite a few well known magazines out there, one of them that i particulary love is Songlines out in the uk, it comes with world music cd's/compilation so you can listen to music and read about it as well
Songlines (http://www.songlines.co.uk/)
4. also here's a thread i was a part of in another forum, may give you some more info head-fi.org - "world music" recommendations (http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=146597)

if anyone wants a list of artists i have or wants something from a particular country or language let me know i may have it...and on Jesse Cook the flamenco guitar player, i only have a few tracks on him, but have been meaning to check him out

on the term "world music" all that is, is western terminology for a genre that is "foreign" to the western ears hence the name world music, the western world has been dominant/prevalent throughout the world, so guess who's writing the history books? if you catch my drift, it's just a stereotypical categorization for something that is far more complex and beautiful and a silly label like that is just that, silly, that is why i use quotes around it, because i don't mean it as an actual/literal description/definition, but most people understand that

whew i typed quite a bit LOL as you can see i could probably rant on and on about this genre because i love it so much, you've opened up a can of worms :)

*JonM i've noticed that we have similar music tastes it seems and or are quite open minded to different music, maybe we should exchange IM's and share some music if you're up to it, i'd definitely be interested in what you got

[Reywas]

Try getting a Woob CD. The scariest music in the world.

[Nepenthe]

('World Music' noob, if I don't make it completely obvious)

I'm really looking for something along the lines of Monk (yeah, I have no idea what to call it) music. You know, like the chants that are always associated with Monks. Anything based around that would be awesome, as I've really been in the mood to hear something like that. Monks of Asian cultures and religions, not Anglican or Catholic Monks, BTW.

If anyone has heard Nokturnal Mortum's demo Twilightfall, the last few seconds of the intro track Unnothingness From Beyond, with the Monk-like chanting, is along the lines of what I'm looking for.

Odd request I know, but I just really want to hear something like this.

(and no, I'm not looking for Thelonius Monk's Monk Music cd)

[JonM]

I've got some Tibetan chanting, but it's probably not what you're looking for. Look for Buddhist chanting from basically anywhere else other than Tibet. Try Japan.

[Nepenthe]

What's bad about the Tibetan stuff?

[JonM]

I mean, I wouldn't say that it's bad, because I'm sure it's amazingly beautiful in its own way, but I'd just say that it's pretty much unlistenable to me. It's like a bunch of guys roaring the loudest, lowest note they can possibly summon and holding it for like 30 seconds.

[antiant]

bought a few new albums on the "worldy" tip:


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Natacha Atlas - Mish Ma'oul
listen to the album here: http://www.mish-maoul.com/
info:
One of the original global pop divas, Natacha Atlas has long combined Middle Eastern and Western musics. Her sixth solo album is very much a continuation of works past. She continues to maintain links with her old band (Transglobal Underground's Count Dubulah produces), and she continues to add traditional and modern influences as need be. One particular standout moment is Atlas's sensual performance as she rides a straight-up bossa nova groove on "Gnanwa Bossanova," but equally strong is the slightly cheesy "Bathaddak," which sounds like it could be piped out of a cassette stall in a North African casbah. Those looking for her cosmopolitan trip-hop vibe certain will be satisfied with opener "Oully" or the menacing-sounding "Hayati Inta." No matter the genre, however, the singer really sounds best in the stripped-down arrangements here where it's her voice that exudes nuance and mood instead of counting on the accompaniment to fill in those blanks. --Tad Hendrickson

*natacha is one of my favorites when it comes to arabic singing/music and combining traditional and contemporary rhythms

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Apollo Nove - Res Inexplicata Volans
listen to the album here: http://apollonove.calabashmusic.com/
info:
Even though it's immensely likable, there's a demo-ish quality to hotshot Brazilian producer Apollo Nove's Res Inexplicata Volans. In 12 tracks that trickle through nostalgia-tipped tropicalia to a backward-reaching brand of electronica, he paints himself as something of a sound savant; trot out a hot beat or an expressive voice, he seems to be saying, and step aside--he'll do the rest. It's a ****-sure approach, but it mostly pays off. Though not radically new or groundbreaking, the sonic textures he dabbles in (vintage rock, bossa nova, disco, jazz) are nothing if not interesting, and they lend this disc a chilled-out moodiness that seems rightest in the pre-dawn hours. Singer Seu Jorge's two tracks, the all-out gorgeous "Ensaboar Voce (Soap You)" and "Capoeira," captivate most completely--if there's a love letter to Sao Paulo somewhere on this record, he's the one holding the pen--but overall the vibe is fluttery, uncemented. Put it on and plug in your headphones--as you get lost in late-night Apollo Nove land, you'll want to wander and ponder alone. --Tammy La Gorce

Product Description
How do you describe someone as eclectic as Apollo Nove? A modern-day pop Tropicalista, crooner, songwriter, pianist and collector of over sixty vintage synths, keyboards and effects from the ‘60s, ‘70s and ‘80s. Apollo Nove (noh-veh) is the prime contender for most innovative young producer in Brazil. Res Inexplicata Volans is his stellar solo effort of twelve melodious, deep, moody songs that hover somewhere between psychedelic rock, eerie electronica and spacey folk. Recorded in São Paulo and mixed in Paris by Air engineer Yann Arnaud. Guest vocalists include Cibelle and Seu Jorge.

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Cibelle - The Shine of Dried Electric Leaves
listen to the album here: http://www.cibelle.net/
info:
Since her breakout performance on Suba's landmark Sao Paolo Confessions, singer Cibelle (pronounced see-Bell-ee) has enchanted Brazilian pop aficionados with her lovely musical purr. Here on her second album, the cool lounge production of her debut is pushed into a darker, more experimental realm without losing her music's sensual beauty. As ambitious as the production, the songwriting is challenging too with highlights like "Phoenix" and "Flying High" using a linear style rather than the back and forth of a verse, bridge and chorus arrangement. There's a couple of interesting covers as well--while her spare version of Tom Waits's "Green Grass" is a seemingly offbeat choice, her haunting, glitchy and near-unrecognizable cover of Jobim's "Por Toda A Minha Vida" is a different kind of surprise. With ultra-cool Apollo Nove and Tunng in the producers' chair, this subtle kind of sonic and music revision is to be expected, but it's a tribute to the singer that she keeps the challenging sound under the sway of her lovely voice. --Tad Hendrickson

Product Description
Like no one else, Brazilian born Cibelle makes use of a variety of elements to create unique, imaginative and enchanting peices of music. Her second album (the follow-up to 2003's inspired eponymous debut) is a genuine masterpiece. Moving into even more adventurous sonic terrain than its predecesor, the "Shine Of Dried Electric Leaves" combines rootsy acoustic instrumentation, electronic processing, noise guitars & children's toys, captivating textural soundscapes & pure melodies all anchored by Cibelle's unmistakable, moving voice. Cibelle produced this album over a period of 18 months, taking some of the tracks with her from London (where she now resides) to Sao Paulo (her home town) and back, gathering along the way contributions from various co-producers and performers, including Mike Lindsay (from UK Folktronica act Tunng);Apollo Nove (the innovative producer/artist from Sao Paulo, who produced most of her debut album); Parisian mixer, Yann Arnaud (Air, ! Sebastien Schuller), and guests such as Seu Jorge (of "City of God" and "The Life Aquatic' fame), freak folk pioneer, Devendra Banhart, and CocoRosie collaborator Spleen. While some of the album's ten original compositions and three covers are simple, limpid crytalline gems (her renditions of Tom Waits' "Green Grass" and of Jobim's "Por Toda Minha Vida" to name but a few).

*cibelle is another one of my favorites, and i have her 1st album (she also has an EP out called "about a girl" in which she does a nirvana/kurt cobain cover that i think is absolutely stunning, however and unfortunately i haven't been able to get a hold of it, because the distro is different and not of the U.S. but heres the video Cibelle - About A Girl (Video) (http://www.crammed.be/zir/zboom14/) (just click on the picture one time and then on the right it will say "about a girl" with a quiktime icon, that's the video), she has a beautiful voice and a lot of "originality/spice/spunk" imo

[antiant]

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Bombay Dub Orchestra - Bombay Dub Orchestra
listen to the album here: http://www.bombaydub.com/
info:
The Bombay Dub Orchestra delivers on the promise of its name. Here, London studio insiders Andrew T. MacKay and Garry Hughes have devised a dream-like new project where Lee Scratch Perry seemingly spent his time in India doing Bollywood film soundtracks instead of psychedelic Jamaican dub jams. With a world of experience between the two primaries (Bjork, ABC, Sly & Robbie, Vast), the duo's skillful integration of these seemingly divergent sources is seamless. A full orchestra, live soloist, and a rich production aesthetic are tastefully complemented by sexy trip-hop programming that recalls Zero 7 and other top-flight groups. The two-disc set includes a 12-song disc and an eight-song set of remixes on a second disc. The remixes are longer with slightly different assemblages of pieces, but aren't much weirder, just different. Highlights among the often pun-filled titles include the cinematic "Dust" and "The Berber Of Seville" as well as the atmospheric "Rare Earth: The Forest Of Thieves Mix." *-- Tad Hendrickson

Product Description
The Bombay Dub Orchestra is the brainchild of two English musicians, Andrew Mackay and Garry Hughes, who wanted to do something that hadn't been tried before: to make the ultimate chill-out album, using a real orchestra. It all began when Mackay and Hughes went to Bombay some seven years ago to record some of that city's top session players for a project by the LA group Spellbound. "I produced and Andy arranged," Hughes recalls. "It was a fantastic experinece recording these guys, and on the plane coming home we thought how great it would be to make an orchestral chill-out record with these players." Over a period of nearly a year, Mackay and Highes worked out the intricate, almost cinematic arrangements with digital samples. They ended up with a pretty fair approximation of what their Bombay Dub Orchestra would sound like. But there was no chance that the two producers would be satisfied with that. "I love samples and use them a lot" Highes says, "but some things you have to do with real players." In March 2005, Mackay and Hughes finally traveled to Bombay, India and began what must rank as one of the most unique orchestral recording sessions ever. "During that week, we recorded a 28 piece string section on 10 different tracks. We generally overdubbed the orchestra several times to achieve the multi-layored arrangements that we were aiming for." In addition to the orchestra, the pair also recorded the cream of Bombay's Indian classical musicians - including leading players of the sitar, tabla, bansuri and some memorable vocal performances. This specially priced double CD also includes a second disc of "dub remixes" which takes the music into even more exotic sonic territories.

*one of my favorite tracks so far on BDO is "dust: pigment of your imagination" it's simply a beautiful chilled song

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Karsh Kale - Broken English
listen to the album here: http://www.karshkale.com/
info:
Born in London, raised in New York City, and of Indian descent, Karsh Kale's life has always been a mix of cultures, so it should come as no surprise that his music reflects that. His debut, Realize, quickly proved that he could mix it up gracefully and organically with the best of them. Here, on his third proper studio album (there've also been countless remixes, collections and collective projects), Kale's self-proclaimed brand of "rocktronic-organica" brings together such guests as Ekova's Dierdre, Midival Punditz, Crystal Method, and rapper MC Napolean. Whereas electronica and hip-hop are commonly integrated into Indian music (or vice versa), Kale also offers up intriguing touches of indie rock on "Dancing At Sunset" and the ballad "City Lights"--the latter isn't as compelling as the former, but Kale still gets points for originality. Other highlights include the dreamy "Drive" and the hard-driving electronica of "Hole In The Sky." Truly music with a modern multi-culti reach, nothing on Broken English is lost in translation. --Tad Hendrickson

Product Description
On Broken English, Karsh balances his Indian heritage with rock and roll, hip-hop and atmospheric pop for this most diverse release to date. Kale works with a talented cast of collaborators including MC Napolean Solo, vocalists Trixie Reiss (the Crystal Method), Sophie Michalitsianos (Sparklehorse), Diedre (Ekova), Vishal Vaid and award winning Bollywood film composer Salim Merchant

*definitely love karsh kale, he's also apart of Tabla Beat Science with Zakir Hussain, Bill Laswell etc

[Nepenthe]

I mean, I wouldn't say that it's bad, because I'm sure it's amazingly beautiful in its own way, but I'd just say that it's pretty much unlistenable to me. It's like a bunch of guys roaring the loudest, lowest note they can possibly summon and holding it for like 30 seconds.

Hmm, I guess it's at least worth checking out.

How would I go about finding this, or any of the other chanting stuff?

[PDWAB]

oh antiant <3

[the2stranger]

Wow, I was in search of some world music, looked here, and found heaven.

I need a song for my eniversary with my gf, but my p2p program screwed up.
Si I would like to ask if someone could send me a romantic tango song :)

peter_time (at) hotmail.com

thanks for your time

[Txus]

Well I'm really familiar with some Fox Trot music (Marimba),

[JonM]

Wow. Well, I forgot I started this thread, and it's been dead for a month now, so I thought I'd bump it by featuring a genre and seeing if anyone was interested.

Bali: Gamelan Jegog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamelan_jegog)

That's a link to the Wikipedia entry on the topic, because it's more thorough and comprehensive than anything I could have written, but I have a couple jegog records if any of you are interested. This is one of the most exciting and engaging musical genres I've ever come across. If you'd like to delve into it, let me know.

[Robert Crumb]

I plan on seeing Os Mutantes when they come to Frisco as a birthday present to myself. I better get on buying them tickets.

[antiant]

Robert Crumb: cool...i have yet to get any of there stuff, i think i'm going to try and get some now

JonM: i'd be interested in some gamelan if you don't mind

[JonM]

Sure! Do you have soulseek?

[antiant]

nope...i've got IM though...since we both love world music i'm sure we could do a pretty good trade though

[Interstate]

I'd love to get into more 'world music'. The only stuff I have that could be considered within the genre is Ravi Shankar's Visions Of Peace (which I love) and this collection of Daoist music (can't remember how I found it or where it came from but it is probably the most relaxing music I've ever heard).

Every bangra song I've heard so far I have loved but I can never remember or hear the names of them. I need to get more of that Buddist/Daoist/whatever the hell it is music - so relaxing.

[antiant]

hey jonm i got soulseek now so whenever you come back from your trip let me know :) i've got quite a bit to share

[antiant]

just bought more albums...

Gigi - Gold & Wax

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listen here: Gigi (http://gigi.calabashmusic.com/?&printView=1)

Taking the world music scene by storm with her self-titled debut, Ethiopian singer Ejigayehu "Gigi" Shibabaw picks up right where she left off five years ago with Gold & Wax. Producer Bill Laswell is again behind the boards, and he's assembled another cosmopolitan cast of backing musicians, who range from Guns N' Roses guitarist Buckethead and Indian production team Midival Punditz to P-Funk keyboardist Bernie Worrell and jazz trumpeter Nils Petter Molvaer. Ever the master aural architect, Laswell finds a way fuse styles as well as the players' strong personalities into a seamless whole. Gigi herself soars siren-like over the top of ambient leaning tunes, or she digs in with her plaintive high-pitched voice on more rhythmically anchored pieces. Standouts include the English-language "Utopia," the rhythmically churning and horn-driven "Salam," and the anthemic "Gomelayeye." Not much of a departure from her debut, but there's no point in complaining about more of a very good thing. -- Tad Hendrickson

Product Description
Product Description The long-awaited follow-up to Gigi’s stellar debut has finally landed. On her second effort, Gold & Wax, Ejigayehu "Gigi" Shibabaw has again proven her ability to seamlessly work the songs of her Ethiopian ancestry into a contemporary vocal sound befitting the worlds of jazz, electronica and even dub-inspired African rhythms. Produced by Bill Laswell, Gold & Wax maintains an illustrious gleam; every instrument falls perfectly into place, centered on the singer’s near-angelic range.

The praise for Gigi was universal and unabashed. The Miami Herald rightfully called Gigi "Ethiopia’s gift to the world," while The NY Times described her sound as "full of unexpected angles and modal curves." Her vocals, according to XLR8R, "sounds sweeter than a cup of Ethiopian honey wine"; while the Village Voice agreed saying she has "not just a luxuriously rich voice but an unassumingly cosmopolitan presence." Gigi is an ambassador of ancient sound with modern sensibilities.
another review: Gigi - Gold & Wax (http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/gigi-gold-wax/)


Azam Ali - Elysium for the Brave
(apparently the release date says july 25, 2006, but it looks like they released it earlier as i picked it up today, so i'm not sure when they officially released this album)

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listen here: Azam Ali (http://azamalimusic.com/)

inside the cd cover:
The process of making music for me is like an intangible philosophy - a philosophy which emphasizes the intuitive. It is only in this non-conceptual way that i am able to remain vulnerable, honest, and willing to evolve. It is in this way that the boundaries set by my corporeal existence are challenged.

My biggest fear creatively has always been that i would grow complacent with my art. Meaning that i would find a formula that worked and keep creating a different version of the same thing. My need to take risks may not always produce the desired result, but nevertheless it enables me to remain open to possibilities of growh i may otherwise overlook. i am greateful to all of you who have supported my need to expand artistically and blur the peripheries set by my past works.

Elysium for the Brave is an expression of the part of me which has lived in the Western world for over two decades, and so encompasses all aspects of my cultural influences. The title holds manifold meanings. Since the songs are either about war, or endeavoring to overcome personal and spiritual afflictions, i could not help but draw the parallel that in all internal and external struggles there is a promise of a heaven, or personal liberation if we are brave enough to be willing to fail.

Music has been my greatest teacher, and a home for my vagrant soul. it has also taught me about honesty and provided me in glimpses with that sense of unimpeded clarity wherein all things are absolute.



Azam Ali - Elysium for the Brave

Azam Ali's new solo album entitled Elysium for the Brave is set for release on July 25, 2006 on Six Degrees Records.

The incredible voice of Niyaz and Vas branches out with what is being described as her most ambitious solo release to date. The album entitled Elysium for the Brave weaves Ali's many influences into a haunting tapestry of atmospheric rock, electronic and global sounds. Singing predominantly in English for the first time, the songs are based on lyrics written by Azam herself and reveal a poetic lyricism heard only in glimpses in her previous works.

Helping to seamlessly bring all of these diverse sounds together is a talented cast of musicians which includes King Crimson's rhythm section of Trey Gunn and Pat Mastelotto, Persian classical violinist Kiavash Nourai, Loga Ramin Torkian and Carmen Rizzo, Azam's collaborators in Niyaz, and noted film composers Tyler Bates and Jeff Rona, the latter of whom is known for his collaborations with Dead Can Dance.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Good thread. So I notice that Gamelan is a popular genre here. I recently took part in a Gamelan workshop, of course having my luck I spent most of it on the lead gong and fun as it is smashing a massive gong with a stick every 10 seconds or so it wasn't as good as when I got to use some of the other percussion. But overall, the experience was very enjoyable.

[JonM]

(@ antiant) Yo! What's your slsk name?

[antiant]

JonM: it's antiant and yours?

[JonM]

JonM

[antiant]

ok cool, you've been added :D

[antiant]

i love bumping this thread, whenever i get a chance...i recently bought two albums that belong in the "world music" category, so here goes:

Album: Mariza - Fado Em Mim

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Mariza
Fado em mim
(World Connections)


This music is elegant, sophisticated and yearning. There's something about the guitars and the cadences of the voice that evoke the mystery and sadness of the ocean. Someone waits at a café on the quayside for a lover they know will never return...

Mariza has created a stir in Portugal and internationally this year with this debut album. She's young, looks the part and has a fabulous, keening, lyrical voice. She reinterprets the Portuguese tradition of Fado singing, a form of urban folk music based around café society. "Loucura" the opening track and "Que Dues Me Perdoe" feel like they embody the form: sad yet dignified, powerful and dramatic and beautifully sung, with simple accompaniment from portugese classical guitars.

With a voice as intense and potentially as unrelenting as this a little drama can go a long way. But the material here has enough variety to ensure a satisfying programme of many different moods. "Poetas" starts with a brooding arrangement for piano and cello, before the guitars come back and lift the track into uptempo jauntiness. "Terra D'Aqua" is simply a very strong and compelling melody.

"Barco Negro" is just a drum and Mariza's soaring voice and has an unmistakably Celtic feel to it. (Well, I suppose it's only a brief skip across the sea from Portugal to the south coast of Ireland). And there's a "hidden" track at the end, which for once is essential and not time wasting filler: a stark, great version of "Loucura" for just piano and voice.

This is state of the art "world music". Every detail is just right. It's beautifully recorded, with a deluxe sleeve and packaging. Anyone who likes emotional music, dramatically and skillfully expressed should enjoy it.

Reviewer: Nick Reynolds

*portugese fado is one of my favorite "world music" genres and i highly recommend fado to anybody willing to listen, other artists that sing portugese fado besides mariza are, cristina branco, madredeus, dulce pontes, amalia rodriquez to name a few

for those who do not know what fado is, you can read further here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fado

Album: Jovanotti - El Quinto Mundo

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i couldn't find a review on this particular album, unfornately, but i can leave you with who he is, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovanotti

[antiant]

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[palm pictures]
review from biz

Ten years ago, during a trip to visit my extended family in India, I came across a tape in a local record shop in Calcutta called "The Ultimate in Percussion" by Ustad Zakir Hussain. I'd grown up listening to Indian classical music all my life up to that point, but had never really 'gotten it' until that moment. What Zakir was doing with just his palms and fingers, on what I'd previously and incorrectly assumed were glorified bongos, was a stunning revelation. Not only in terms of the beauty of the seemingly infinite palette of sounds capable of being produced by the tabla, but also in the vast complexity of the intricate rhythms produced by them. Eight years later I was fortunate enough to begin my own formal study of these profound hand drums and it's been an absolute blast ever since.

For purists of tabla this album may take some getting used to, but after a few listens it'll start to make sense. Zakir Hussain is without doubt the undisputed reigning Master of the tabla today and his playing is as flawless and expressive as ever. However, the real treats on this CD are from the contributions by the new generation of players. Talvin Singh and Karsh Kale seamlessly combine tabla beats with lush multi-layered drum and bass loops and hints of melody throughout. Ustad Sultan Khan lends his haunting sarangi and vocals on two tracks for an air of traditional authenticity to the project. A notable mention to jazz-fusion 'pundit' Trilok Gurtu for his inspired track on "Big Brother." The grand finale is Zakir's closing track on "Alla," dedicated to his late father, the legendary Ustad Alla Rakha, displaying the true tabla in all it's 'undigitized' glory.

Produced by Bill Laswell.

[JonM]

I've been wanting to check out more TBS for a while. I have a lot of Zakir Hussain's solo stuff, but all I have of TBS is one incredible live show.

[antiant]

yeah you should try and get it, if you can, this album is great, i can't stress that enough

[bleep_bloop]

hey, Jonm, what would you suggest in the way of iranian music?

[antiant]

i got the latest SONGLINES issue (magazine dedicated to world music that's based in the UK) and it had a spread on Iranian music...it listed some sites to check out (haven't checked them out yet) and bands...i list some, maybe you can find what you like:

Mohammad Esfahani, Farman Fathalian & Alireza Assar, Sharareh Farnejad, Arian & Barad, Meera, Raz-e Shab, 127 (http://www.127band.com[/url), [url]http://www.tehranavenue.com, you also have, "The Rough Guide to Iran" which basically is like a compilation of music of a given country...O-Hum, http://www.zirzamin.se

not sure what you're looking for pop, rock, contemporary, traditional, but most of this is suppsoedly rock and pop, doesn't hurt to try though...just thought i'd add some other stuff in there, even though i'm not jonm ;)

[bleep_bloop]

I already know what Iranian pop sounds like, my Iranian-Turkish friends dad listens to Turkish and Iranian pop all the time. I'm looking for more traditional Iranian music, thanks though.

[Eliminator]

i need more stuff like stuff that's supposed to be talked about in this thread and stuff

[antiant]

lol could you be anymore ambigous than you already have been?

[antiant]

bleep bloop: turkish pop music eh? i've bet you heard of tarkan, serdar ortaç, sezen aksu and more

[bleep_bloop]

i dont know any names i just hear it a lot whenever im around my friends dad.

[TheMaestro]

Jon,

Some questions

1) whats your opinion about Indian classical or your knowledge about Indain composers?

2) Who do you reckon is the best Indian composer and how will compare with their western contemporaries?

[JonM]

1) whats your opinion about Indian classical or your knowledge about Indain composers?Well, I love Indian music. My knowledge of Hindusthani music is more informed by actual recordings, but I studied Karnatic music, too, I just didn't like it as much. I personally just enjoy the sensibility of northern Indian music more, probably due to the Muslim influence and the lack of the Nadaswaram [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadaswaram], which is, in my personal but unashamed opinion, the most offensive-sounding musical instrument ever designed.

2) Who do you reckon is the best Indian composer and how will compare with their western contemporaries?Well, it kind of goes by instrument, and I don't listen to players of every instrument, or to much Indian vocal music at all (just because I haven't explored it yet), so I urge you to go beyond this list. For sitar, either Vilayat Khan or, of course, Ravi Shankar. For sarod, unquestionably it's Ali Akbar Khan, but Amjad Ali Khan is also amazing. And as far as percussion, Zakir Hussain may just be the most virtuosic percussionist ever. The tabla is one of the most compelling drums in the world, and if you haven't already, you MUST hear the way that Zakir Hussain plays it.

As far as how they compare to Western composers, I think that's pretty hard to determine. They're operating in an entirely different musical system that doesn't even really have analogous elements. Their tonal theory is completely different, and their rhythmic theory is only sometimes comprehensible to someone only familiar with Western music. From a listener's perspective, I guess it just comes down to whether or not you like chord changes, :lol:. But if you're a drummer, there's no question about it. Indian drumming puts Western drumming to shame.

[joshmay]

glad to see this thread! modern "world music" doesn't seem quite as clearly so to me, as with internet and mass media and all this stuff going on, our cultures are becoming increasingly connected. i like alot of ethnic folk music though, of all cultures. some of us on here need to trade some albums


and i guess it seems odd talking about appalachian oldtime music here, but its an area of folk music i have a special interest in, and i suppose to anyone from a different part of the world, it is unique and exotic...i have a large collection of important recordings in regards to that genre...

[antiant]

fyi there is a room for world music on slsk

[Catlover]

Well, I bought an album by the band Karunesh a few weeks ago: "The Call of the Mystic".

It blows me away every time I play it - bansuri flutes to die for, sitar, tablas, Indian violin and an extra "je ne sais quoi" - Wonderful. :cool:

[Amit]

if i may interject

1) whats your opinion about Indian classical or your knowledge about Indain composers?

having almost 8 gigs of indian classical and folk + playing both hindustani (north indian classical) and carnatic (south indian classical) instruments, I enjoy both styles very much

also check out qawwali :-)

and there really aren't indian "composers" in indian classical music; it's a very different dynamic compared to western classical

while western classical places an emphasis on prewritten music, music and techniques in indian classical has been passed down from guru to pupil without paper and much of the content in the actual song (other than basic structure and melody/rhythm) is determined by the pupil and is often improvisational in nature

2) Who do you reckon is the best Indian composer and how will compare with their western contemporaries?

again there really aren't composers in the sense of bach or beethoven or stravinsky; indian classical musicians are all more like miles davis or john coltrane or other improvisers...but they are even more than that!

sitar - ravi shankar, vilayat khan, nikhil banerjee
sarod - ali akbar khan, amjad ali khan
santur - shiv kumar sharma
carnatic mandolin - u srinivas
tabla - alla rakha, zakir hussain
bansuri flute - hariprasad chaurasia
sarangi - sultan khan
vocals - fateh ali khan
carnatic violin - l. subramanium, l. shankar
kanjira - v. selvaganesh
qawwali - nusrat fateh ali khan
slide guitar - debashish bhattacharya

and you can't really compare either to either; they are just way too different

:-)

[DFelon204409]

All I do now is listen to Lou Harrison. He's an American composer who takes the Javanese gamelan style and essentially writes gamelan pieces for an American gamelan, which is part gamelan part interesting American instruments (think celeste, piano, and flute). It's so freakin' good.

[JonM]

Thank you so much for telling me about this.

[TheMaestro]

if i may interject



having almost 8 gigs of indian classical and folk + playing both hindustani (north indian classical) and carnatic (south indian classical) instruments, I enjoy both styles very much

also check out qawwali :-)

and there really aren't indian "composers" in indian classical music; it's a very different dynamic compared to western classical

while western classical places an emphasis on prewritten music, music and techniques in indian classical has been passed down from guru to pupil without paper and much of the content in the actual song (other than basic structure and melody/rhythm) is determined by the pupil and is often improvisational in nature



again there really aren't composers in the sense of bach or beethoven or stravinsky; indian classical musicians are all more like miles davis or john coltrane or other improvisers...but they are even more than that!
sitar - ravi shankar, vilayat khan, nikhil banerjee
sarod - ali akbar khan, amjad ali khan
santur - shiv kumar sharma
carnatic mandolin - u srinivas
tabla - alla rakha, zakir hussain
bansuri flute - hariprasad chaurasia
sarangi - sultan khan
vocals - fateh ali khan
carnatic violin - l. subramanium, l. shankar
kanjira - v. selvaganesh
qawwali - nusrat fateh ali khan
slide guitar - debashish bhattacharya

and you can't really compare either to either; they are just way too different

:-)

I agree with that point. Indain classical musicians are normally related with either Instrument players or vocalists. Composer is an alien term in the Indian Classical Music and it wouldn't have gained prominence if not for Indian film music.


Atman is an sanskrit name, commonly refers to a person closer to the divine mother and so for foreigners

This bloke Dr Ilaiyaraja is up on par with Beethoven and Bach and has much better melody than Beethoven and almost all your aforementioned instrument players and vocalists in India have played his notes. He is an expert in Western Classical, Carnatic and Hindustani and an 8th gradegold medalist for Bass in Trinity and also got qualified grades fro many other instruments.

Since his works were restrained to film music and only 15% dedicated to cross over albums and Symphonies, he isnt popular among some parts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilayaraaja

Uploading this sample piece now..He has done more than 3000 songs like this and conducted four symphonies so far. Had the previlege of hearing his latest one TIS(Thiruvasagam in Symphony) he composed it in Budapest Symphony Orchestra, a classical crossover symphony full of hyms (first time ever). It was better than Beethoven 9th one by a mile in my opinion.

This

http://www.filefactory.com/mupc/ee74a6/

First piece was composed by him and played in Italy in couple of years back

This second one is for the movie Hey Ram he composed BG scores in Budapest Symphony Orchestra. This music project came out mediocre when Dr L Subramaniam handled it who pulled out later and please check this song..our Indian version of Moonlight Sonata .

Dr Raja composed this sequence by just looking at the visuals.

http://www.filefactory.com/mupc/3e2049/

Just give me your opinions

[TheMaestro]

I will also like share more details about other Indian composers that many of you might not be aware.

[Amit]

he isn't considered hindustani or carnatic classical though :-(

he is quite the amazing composer however

[Africa]

I was wondering if there was ever a thread like this, looks like hardly anyone posts in it :(

[antiant]

this is one of my favorite threads :D

[Electronic Wolf]

Can someone hook it up with a list of Eastern European folk artists/bands?

[halfdeadhippo]

This is one of my favorite threads now, as well. Eggo, do you have soulseek?

[Amit]

yes

eggothewaffle

but i don't really have anything on my sister's computer

but if you IM me (on the same screenname on AIM) when i get back to school we can talk and share music! :D

[LF96]

I'm quite fond of folk from over the whole world. As is normal, I however know most of what I hear on local folk concerts, so it's mostly western european folk music that I listen to. Nonetheless I really enjoy Indian, Arabic and Chinese folk music, but I never really bothered to check more than what I hear around me. Maybe I should check some more.

[Africa]

http://oink.me.uk/details.php?id=879625

Idk who these guys are...

[Amit]

ajay prasanna has worked with karsh kale =)

[antiant]

and karsh kale is niiice

[Africa]

But I take it Ajay Prassana is relatively unknown (or google fails!).

[halfdeadhippo]

Karsh Kale is that dude who drums with Tabla Beat Science, right? Here's a four-part video of a bunch of the TBS dudes jamming on some Bill Laswell special:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93utgfR8kdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SkkITACMu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDUpXWOuPHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ium-W2DS0

[Electronic Wolf]

Tell me about Eastern European folk.

[Amit]

Karsh Kale is that dude who drums with Tabla Beat Science, right? Here's a four-part video of a bunch of the TBS dudes jamming on some Bill Laswell special:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93utgfR8kdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SkkITACMu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDUpXWOuPHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ium-W2DS0

sweeeeeeeet

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Does anyone here know much about Celtic/folk music? I heard this band Ion (with an accent over the I) and they blew me away.

http://www.ion.equilibriummusic.com/ion-dwn.html

There's the site. Check it out, it's amazing stuff.

I'm having a lot of trouble hunting down that album though, so if you can help me out, that'd be awesome.

Discuss various other Celtic acts too. I'd love to be more informed on some of the more popular stuff. Eg: Easier to find. :p

[Amit]

here is some sweet music with celtic influences

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinmaya_Dunster

with sarod no less :-D

[Africa]

Reggae is a musik I have not seen mentioned on this site :/ Does reggae fall into World?

[TheMaestro]

he isn't considered hindustani or carnatic classical though :-(

he is quite the amazing composer however

Its really appreciative that you’ve come down a bit and accepted we do have great composers in India :) . But sadly he is the only one alive right now with originality as he is an expert in Carnatic, Hindustani and Western Classical and also the manner he fuses them with modern western music.

Remaining Indian movie composers are only experts in selling World Music in India and remixing Indian music and selling them across the world.


Getting back to the topic the beauty of Dr Rajas music appeals is appeals both an ordinary person and also a musician equally. Some ragas like Chitrambari, Keeravani, Malavi, Kalanidhi , Manjari, Rasikapriya, Rasika ranjni etc and others are rarely used even by core classical singers yet he is an expert in using them up and scoring tunes in an appealing manner and has used nearly all of Melakartha ragas in film music without conflicting the quintessence. He has also done lot of wonders in orchestrations like composing pieces purely with Brahma vadhyams and crossover pieces between Spanish and Carnatic with unique interludes between charanams and pallavis.


World Music fans

Couple of more sample to world music fans…

This composition was once again done couple of years back in Italy. The beauty of this composition is he had used only THREE NOTES to compose the music and yet the melody generated was beautifyl. Feel free and download and hear these two pieces where on the first one he explains and nuances and in the second piece he orchestrates that with instruments. It’s a winzip file. Extract it with winrar or winzip

http://www.filefactory.com/file/0cd23b/

Here is another sample he composed in this latest Symphony - Thiruvasgam a classical crossover music ( an age old Indian religious book full of hyms) in Symphony in Budapest.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/0c2ab7/

TIS has a lot more numbers like this but there is a song called Pollavinaiyen which every music fans should not afford to miss

[Amit]

thanks for the songs

where do you get this music?

[TheMaestro]

From the perspective of world music fans and professional musicans they can buy this CD to start with.

http://www.amazon.com/Thiruvasagam-Ilayaraja-Ilaiyaraaja/dp/B000A7QCBO

You can get TIS cd in all leading shops in the US, Canada, UK, Norway and in India either by ordering or in hand.


For his film music songs its depends on the location.

[Africa]

Or download it right.

[TheMaestro]

We can download them as there are a lot of free sites avaiable hosting his songs but since his musical compositions were relative ones as it was done on movies language is certainly a barrier to start with.

But he had touched almost all facets and style of music and there is always something for everyone to choose from. Since the quantity is huge a its very difficult to be choosy when to comes to selecting his music as per your taste.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Karsh Kale is that dude who drums with Tabla Beat Science, right? Here's a four-part video of a bunch of the TBS dudes jamming on some Bill Laswell special:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93utgfR8kdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SkkITACMu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDUpXWOuPHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ium-W2DS0

Sickest. Thing. Ever. That is one of the most awesome things I've ever heard, GG.

[LF96]

Does anybody here know Sahana Banerjee (sitar) and Prabhu Edouard (tabla)? I personally don't know them, but there's a good chance I'm gonna see them at a festival I might attend. Tell me if it's worth to see them if I can also see some other (classical) concerts.

[antiant]

anyone feel like trading some world music via slsk? preferably mp3 files, 192 bitrate/128...same name as here

[Kayetan]

World music always seems really interesting to me, but only a few recordings have actually been enjoyable for me. Lately, I've been into Tibetan Buddhist Rites From The Monasteries Of Bhutan and Oz Fritz's All Around the World. They're both just a lot of field recordings, and they're really well done. Especially the Bhutanese one, it's pretty amazing.

I'm Helical on slsk, if anybody wants them.

[JonM]

Everyone check out Lila Downs right away.

[antiant]

^^ been there, done that... :) already heard of lila downs for a good minute, she's great, i have some of her songs, check out Lhasa (another artist http://www.lhasadesela.ca/ & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lhasa_de_Sela)

[bleep_bloop]

hey antiant how come you never talk to me on slsk?

[antiant]

i don't know, not much to say and or you're talking to other people about other things that don't really interest me ;)

[bleep_bloop]

oh, ok. its chill.

[ATM]

I just signed up for World Music next semester :)

[Electronic Wolf]

East European folk. Go!

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I just signed up for World Music next semester :)

Nice. I wish my CC offered more music courses than the Jazz history I'm taking now.

[antiant]

you can always learn on your own

[Africa]

Or you can earn school credits and learn something you would otherwise learn on your own lolz.

I'm listening to Calcutta slide guitar atm.

[joshmay]

Can someone hook it up with a list of Eastern European folk artists/bands?



check out PAWLO HUMENIUK, king of the ukranian fiddlers. most of his work was recorded in the early 20th century so its kind of lo-fi, but damn this dude is amazing.


also if you havent listened to them, KOCANI ORKESTAR are a yugoslavian traditional group, i think they have like 7th generation members now or somethin. anyway its some really fantastic music too.

[halfdeadhippo]

I'm listening to Calcutta slide guitar atm.Debashish Bhattacharya? If so, then :thumb: to you.

[Africa]

Yeah that's it.

[dei]

check out PAWLO HUMENIUK, king of the ukranian fiddlers. most of his work was recorded in the early 20th century so its kind of lo-fi, but damn this dude is amazing.


also if you havent listened to them, KOCANI ORKESTAR are a yugoslavian traditional group, i think they have like 7th generation members now or somethin. anyway its some really fantastic music too.

Thanks for responding, dude. I'll be sure to check Humeniuk and Kocani Orkestar.

[Amit]

Yeah that's it.

bengali pride hell YUS \m/

[ATM]

Can anyone suggest any foreign hip hop?

[JonM]

Clotaire K (Lebanon)
MC Solaar (France)

I dunno, I've heard more, but most of it sucked. Does England count? If so,

The Mitchell Brothers
Kano
and like The Streets and Dizzee Rascal and Lady Sovereign and all those people you've heard of.

[ATM]

I'll check out Clotaire K. Thanks.

While we are at it, any artists to reccomend for somebody pretty unfamiliar to this kind of thing?

I had my world music class today and we are suppoused to bring in some recordings.

[JonM]

Sure, here are some of the, like, all-time "world" music names to know:

Babatunde Olatunji (Nigeria)
Fela Kuti (Nigeria)
King Sunny Ade (Nigeria)
Ali Farka Touré (Mali)
Habib Koité (Mali)
Youssou N'Dour (Senegal)
Ladysmith Black Mambazo (South Africa)
Ravi Shankar (India)
Ali Akbar Khan (India)
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Pakistan)

Really, in terms of impact on Western music, Bob Marley should be on this list, but you prolly heard of him.

Sweet that you're taking that class, by the way. Check out everything you learn about.

[ATM]

Awesome, thanks Jon.

The class is cool so far, it looks like I am going to learn a lot. We get to have all these workshops, too, where we try the instruments.

[JonM]

Awesome! What regions are you studying?

My Music of Asia class last year was, like, life-changing. This semester I'm joining the university Javanese Gamelan Ensemble, which should be dope.

[ATM]

The class covers all regions of the world. It's cool, too, because my school is practically an international school so we have people from many many countries in my class. Everyone gets to bring in music to share, and a lot of the people said they would bring things from their country.

[JonM]

It can't cover everywhere, haha. Do you know what the specific units are?

[ATM]

I'll grab my syallbus when I get a sec and post the sections.

[halfdeadhippo]

Can anyone suggest any foreign hip hop?Looptroop are from Sweden and are pretty cool. Promoe has some wicked ridiculous locks.

http://www.danskrap.dk/images/interviews/promoe/Promoe%20Peace.jpg

[ATM]

I'll check it out. As far as Swedish hip hop goes, my favorites are Ayo and Petter.

Markoolio is always good for videos, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H10Ep0F8Z7A

[antiant]

heh i got a bunch of foreign hip hop...

Clotaire K, as mentioned is not great, but not bad either, i have his album, check out MBS as well for something similar

anyways here we go:

POLAND
1. O.S.T.R.
2. WWO
3. WSP
4. Molesta
5. Emade
6. Fisz
7. Peja
8. Mor W.A.
9. K.A.S.T.A. Sklad (squad in english)
10. Kaliber 44

i got like 10 gigs of polski hip hop...so 10's a good start

TURKEY
1. Ceza
2. Sagopa Kajmer
3. Kolera
4. Dr. Fuchs

ARABIC/FRENCH
1. Clotaire K
2. MBS

FRANCE
1. MC Solaar
2. Saian Super Crew
3. Passi
4. Fonky Family
5. IAM
6. Mafia K1 Fry
7. Faf La Rage
8. Akhenaton
9. Shurik'n

CROATIA
1. Elemental
2. Tram 11
3. Ajs Nigrutin
4. Forum Allstarz
5. The Beat Fleet
6. El Bahattee
7. Balkan Playaz

ARMENIA
1. Hay Tgheq

ITALY
1. 99 Posse
2. Jovanotti

AFRIKAN
1. Daara J

SPAIN/SPANISH
1. Orishas
2. 7 Notas 7 Colores
3. Mala Rodriguez
4. Nach Scratch

BRAZILIAN/PORTUGESE
1. MV Bill

UKRAINE
1. VovaZiLvova

THAILAND
1. Thaitanium

got some hungarian stuff too, serbian etc etc forgot the names though, there's a bunch of good stuff out there, all in a matter of searching


besides the people JonM mentioned, check out the following as well:

1. Azam Ali
2. Natacha Atlas
3. Lila Downs
4. Irina Mikhailova
5. Charles Aznavour
6. Balkan Beat Box
7. Susheela Raman
8. Omar Faruk Tekbilek
9. Amadou & Mariam
10. Gigi Shibawa
11. Oliver Mtukudzi
12. Mariam Makeba
13. Baaba Maal
14. Angélique Kidjo
15. Zakir Hussain
16. Anoushka Shankar
17. Ananda Shankar
18. Sevara Nazarkhan
19. Osipov Balalaika Orchestra
20. Badi Assad

i could go on forever, the names JonM mentioned though are the one's people are familiar with and are important, when it comes to 'world music' so it's good to know the one's he mentioned as well, have fun :thumb:

[ATM]

Yes! I was hoping you'd look in this thread, antiant.

Thank you very very much, man.

[antiant]

yeah, i LOVE world music too, so anything new in here, i'll usually be looking :D

[ATM]

Checked out O.S.T.R, good stuff.

I also found some other things mentioned in this thread. Right now I am listening to Acida, which is some pretty cool stuff.

Cibelle, Mariza, and Fela Kuti I have also enjoyed.

[Amit]

antiant check out 1 giant leap

[antiant]

antiant check out 1 giant leap
ok, i will

[yenne]

....yeah -- I thought I'd pipe in and say that people are getting
sick of the same old rock/hip-hop/r&b bullsh*t..... and there is just :wave:
this big upsurge from a new style coming out of Europe
-- it's pretty easy to find, just put 'euro club hits' into itunes or
check this link: :smash:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearch.woa/wa/advancedSearchResults?albumTerm=Euro+Club+Hits+Vol +

[Bread and Faxes]

http://www.myspace.com/acoldcaravan

[witweew]

...followup to that post -- if that itunes link didn't work for u -- here's another on to try:
http://electricnation2010.com/

or a direct Amazon.com link.....

http://tinyurl.com/5bt9qo
:smash:

[Iscariot]

someone recommend me some good opera

i already listen to and enjoy andrea bocelli and sarah brightman but i'm looking for more classic and less poppy opera

i got das phantom der oper last night which is good but still not quite what i'm looking for so throw me some suggestions and i'll see what i like