PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[die of starvation]

ya but why

[Iskandar]

I don't know. Genetics probably have something to do with it because both of my parents have a history of it.

[mph4ever]

like all kids, just blame the parents, its an easy out. i used to do that a lot until i found out they were really only kids in older skin and out of touch with the new stuff

[Light Flantastic]

i might have respected him if he said existential despair but genetics man what a pussy way out

[mph4ever]

i wonder if they were depressed before dropper arrived?

[Iskandar]

i wonder if they were depressed before dropper arrived?Having children is pretty stressful. So is your marriage failing.

[mph4ever]

Having children is pretty stressful. So is your marriage failing.

nah mate. my marriage isn't failing. it was love at first sight and will go on forever

and having children isn't stressful unless you are ill prepared for it. from what i've seen there are lots of woman who suffer chronic post natal depression after having a kid but it goes unnchecked, men get depressed trying to figure what is going on and things spiral out of control, harmony gone and things will never be the same again

[Iskandar]

I didn't say your marriage was failing. I meant that my parents' did.

[Aaron]

If you guys were christian bad things wouldn't happen to you and you'd be happy.

[Iskandar]

No.

[Aaron]

You do realise the irony of my post right?

[Light Flantastic]

whats ironic about that post

[Aaron]

It's an in-joke between everyone on this board but you.

[mph4ever]

I didn't say your marriage was failing. I meant that my parents' did.


it looked like a question to me.

anyway, must be a lot of stessed people out there since there is a huge amount of failures. like my mate says, we should've all been gay except for the sex thing and my dad still thinks the amazonians had it right. separate huts for the blokes and birds, lads head off for weeks at a time to hunt and stuff, only go the womens hut for food and sex

[Iskandar]

There are a lot of stressed people because there are a lot of divorces which is because there are a lot of marriages.

[Aaron]

Everyone should just have sex with everyone. It'll fix everything.

[Light Flantastic]

It's an in-joke between everyone on this board but you.

u mad

[Aaron]

Nah bro. Actually, I was quoting you from last week lol.

[Light Flantastic]

ya thats what you're mad about

[Aaron]

Nah bro, I'm not mad.

[McP3000]

dont get mad get glad

[mph4ever]

There are a lot of stressed people because there are a lot of divorces which is because there are a lot of marriages.

marriage is for life. people should not go around messing with god's rules. thats just plain risking purgatory. what happens if you friends and relatives don't pray or pay to get you out. you could be in limbo forever

Everyone should just have sex with everyone. It'll fix everything.

WE ARE SPARTA - didn't do them much good in the long run though

[Aaron]

^ Glad someone got it.

dont get mad get glad
Don't get mad, get head.

[McP3000]

no wonder i listen to angry music

[Mr. Ron]

you're a big teddy bear Harrison

[McP3000]

i do love cuddling

[Iskandar]

I call big spoon.

[Mr. Ron]

Cuddling is indeed very awesome.

[gregulus]

Cuddling is indeed very awesome.

This is v. v. true.

Sorry to hear about your night, btw. Better luck next time.

[Mr. Ron]

This is v. v. true.

Sorry to hear about your night, btw. Better luck next time.
meh, its alright. I suppose this is what happens when you go in with expectations.

[McP3000]

mr ron you know how i feel about premarital sex

do it drunk

[Iskandar]

That's the way I roll.

[Mr. Ron]

mr ron you know how i feel about premarital sex

do it drunk
I had no intentions of screwing her that night. I'm in the position to get closer to her and have her as a **** buddy....however....if she was just not so damn annoying she'd be relationship material for sure.

[McP3000]

that sucks

im sorry man.

[Mr. Ron]

that sucks

im sorry man.
Nah its just a bump in the road. Idk where to go from here though, she IS a nice girl for everything I've said...so I may just be friends with her.

[Iskandar]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17315966&postcount=6119

This one?

She sounds like a queen bitch. You're well to be rid of her.

[gregulus]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17315966&postcount=6119

This one?

She sounds like a queen bitch. You're well to be rid of her.

She just sounds like she puts on a front to give people an impression of her that she wants them to have. She just sounds immature.

[Iskandar]

And a ****-tease.

[gregulus]

And a ****-tease.

Yeah, that's probably part of the immature thing. Maybe not.

[gregulus]

Wittgenstein is a really interesting read, by the way.

[Aaron]

Yeah, that's probably part of the immature thing. Maybe not.
It's part of being a woman.

[Iskandar]

Maybe Protestant women from Australia, Aaron but in my country women generally don't walk into the deli unless they're planning on picking up some meat.

[gregulus]

Maybe Protestant women from Australia, Aaron but in my country women generally don't walk into the deli unless they're planning on picking up some meat.

I see what you did there.

[Aaron]

Maybe Protestant women from Australia, Aaron but in my country women generally don't walk into the deli unless they're planning on picking up some meat.
lol. You're making the assumption that I date girls of the same denomination as me, but I love the imagery.

[Iskandar]

lol. You're making the assumption that I date girls of the same denomination as me, but I love the imagery.Okay, Christian girls in general.

Are you married, Aaron? I'm afraid you're out of luck then.

[Aaron]

Well my partner is pentecostal, but my two previous ex's were practicing catholics [you know, the real type, not the ones who never go to church or actually have sincere beliefs]. Quite different from my boring Anglican ways.

[gregulus]

Shivkumar Sharma's album Call of the Valley is so ****ing good.

[Iskandar]

Well my partner is pentecostal, but my two previous ex's were practicing catholics [you know, the real type, not the ones who never go to church or actually have sincere beliefs]. Quite different from my boring Anglican ways.But either way you don't get to have sex.
not the ones who never go to church or actually have sincere beliefs
Hey I was one of those for like eight years, don't knock it.

[Aaron]

Why do you make the assumption I don't get to have sex?

I realise you were, but people who claim to be on religion, and really only do it out of family ties, are fools. You sir are honest about your beliefs, which is rare quite often when it comes to those associated with catholocism.

[Iskandar]

Because you're a Christian and you're not married? How do you reckon that one.

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17315966&postcount=6119

This one?

She sounds like a queen bitch. You're well to be rid of her.
that would be the one haha


something tells me though its a front

[McP3000]

aaron are you waiting for marraige?

[Mr. Ron]

I'm waiting for the next time we hang out ch'yeeaahhh boooiiii

[ridethelib]

Iskandar, what do you know about the University of BC? Is it a quality establishment? My girlfriend is considering going there for wildlife biology

[Iskandar]

I know nothing about it as it's on the other side of the country from me. Sorry.

[ridethelib]

Well it's all okay, just figured the costs to be about 35 g's/year so yeah

[Aaron]

aaron are you waiting for marraige?
I think what I'm currently in would be deemed marriage by those from biblical times. Back in ye olden times, people didn't date or court. They went from being not married to married. The relationship I'm in has actually outlasted my mate's marriage, so I don't how us living in different houses due to financial reasons makes it less so.

[Iskandar]

I think what I'm currently in would be deemed marriage by those from biblical times. Back in ye olden times, people didn't date or court. They went from being not married to married. The relationship I'm in has actually outlasted my mate's marriage, so I don't how us living in different houses due to financial reasons makes it less so.But you're not actually married and you place a great deal of emphasis on the ceremony. I don't get it. Even if you intend to marry in the future, you're still not even common-law partners.

I don't mean to criticize you, I'm just seeking clarification.

[Aaron]

I place significance on it because of the weight on an individual level, not because of what it allows you to do according to certain shared beliefs. I want to get married only for the purpose of standing in front of family and friends to recognise my feelings, and to acknowledge that in front of God, not to rush into it to **** like so many christians seem to do after being in an established relationship. If I were financially able to, I'd propose tonight to her, but I don't want to drag someone else into my debt and financial situation.

[die of starvation]

I don't know. Genetics probably have something to do with it because both of my parents have a history of it.
no wats the real reason not ur excuse

[Iskandar]

Why don't you ask my therapist?!

[die of starvation]

because you're the one who can waive confidentiality not them

[Iskandar]

Too bad. You don't need to know. It's confidential.

[die of starvation]

ya but i want you to tell me

[Iskandar]

Ya but I don't care because I don't have to tell you anything about that and I don't see why you would want to know.

[die of starvation]

im naturally curious!

[Iskandar]

I'm curious about the opposite sex too but it'll have to wait until you're older.

[Light Flantastic]

I think what I'm currently in would be deemed marriage by those from biblical times. Back in ye olden times, people didn't date or court. They went from being not married to married. The relationship I'm in has actually outlasted my mate's marriage, so I don't how us living in different houses due to financial reasons makes it less so.

so what you're saying is

you selectively interpret the bible to suit yourself

[mph4ever]

so what you're saying is

you selectively interpret the bible to suit yourself

wow, we have a pope posting on here

[McP3000]

But you're not actually married and you place a great deal of emphasis on the ceremony. I don't get it. Even if you intend to marry in the future, you're still not even common-law partners.

I don't mean to criticize you, I'm just seeking clarification.
i would say the feeling and bond of being "one flesh" is more important than a ring around your fingers

but then again, being in a 6 weeks relationship "puppy love" is also not what im talking about.

[Jude]

Well it's all okay, just figured the costs to be about 35 g's/year so yeah

What? I was looking at going there and as a non-canadian (this was before I got retroactive citizenship) it was like a few thousand a year.

[mph4ever]

that mothergoose is either zero taking the mick or siva_chair back after picking the wrong subject matter to doggedly embrace and defend. i'm guessin' siva since he had such an undying justification for defending israel in the past

[Iskandar]

No he's just a Jew.

[Light Flantastic]

disgusting.

[mph4ever]

No he's just a Jew.

not sure i have ever met someone who is "just a jew".

[Iskandar]

not sure i have ever met someone who is "just a jew".But he's just a religious Jew. He doesn't have any views which are out of the ordinary.

[mph4ever]

well hes a zionist, thats fairly out of the ordinary

[Iskandar]

No it's not. Anybody who supports the existence of Israel is a Zionist.

[mph4ever]

No it's not. Anybody who supports the existence of Israel is a Zionist.

which as a percentage of the population of the ****ing planet is out of the ordinary and rightly ****ing so

/js

[Iskandar]

which as a percentage of the population of the ****ing planet is out of the ordinary and rightly ****ing so

/jsAmong Muslims, yes.

Among white people, not really.

[Light Flantastic]

No it's not. Anybody who supports the existence of Israel is a Zionist.
no

anyone who supports israel as a jewish homeland

theres a difference

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

Will the Moslems actually be stoked when all the jews are out of there? Seems like they're just pervin' cause they have a hundred times more followers then the jews I mean jeez.

[mph4ever]

christianity was just the jewish method for world domination without having to convince everyone to accept circumcision

[Light Flantastic]

circumcision is child abuse

too bad no jews will read this and get mad

[mph4ever]

circumcision is child abuse

too bad no jews will read this and get mad

unles of course for medical reasons like a very large knob or a very tight foreskin or diease

hey, just thinking. what does female circumcision involve

[Light Flantastic]

well ya thats like saying cutting out one of your kids kidneys is child abuse but not if they have nephropathy

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

I really do feel bad for all you guys with excess foreskin gross.

[Light Flantastic]

well i have the choice as an adult to have either

your parents chose for you

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

No really though, it's kind of like how a dog's bonur comes out.

[McP3000]

i prefer my dick not to look like a dog's tbh

[mph4ever]

would ya lick though if ya had the chance, huh?

[McP3000]

no im not a girl

[Dave de Sylvia]

I just googled "dog's penis" :(

[Light Flantastic]

personally i dont find myself looking at dog penis that often

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

I just googled "dog's penis" :(

Classic, were you surprised?

[Aaron]

so what you're saying is

you selectively interpret the bible to suit yourself

Well yeah, I'm not some crazy fundamentalist living off bees and honey. Everybody interprets texts written from different times into contemporary meanings, and if they don't they're idiots and missing the point of reading something.

wow, we have a pope posting on here
:lol:

[Light Flantastic]

yeah but idiots who arent at fault because you cant blame a stupid person for being stupid

you -can- blame an otherwise sentient person for being ignorant on purpose though

(hint: thats you)

[Mr. Ron]

so how are your nights going bb's

[McP3000]

idk after this unbroken album im gonna go get food and see how it goes from there

[Aaron]

I love coffee. I don't understand non-coffee drinkers.

[gregulus]

I love coffee. I don't understand non-coffee drinkers.

Me neither, to be honest. Coffee is A++.

[Aaron]

If the whole world was hepped up on coffee, it'd be a better and jitterier place.

[Iskandar]

I had some coffee recently.

[Aaron]

I also.

[Mr. Ron]

Cool story bros

[gregulus]

I last had it a couple of hours ago. I might go get some in a bit. I've gotten into tea recently, as well.

[Aaron]

I drink lots of tea also.

[Iskandar]

Me too!

[Mr. Ron]

You two should go out

[gregulus]

dip your tea bag in his cup.

[1338 h4x0r]

I hate coffee

Feels bad, man

[Iskandar]

I hate coffee

Feels bad, manNo it's not it's great.

[Light Flantastic]

stop being inane

[Aaron]

Carbon rod.

[Pop music sucks]

No it's not great.Yeah that's about right.

[McP3000]

starbux coffee can be good sometimes

[Aaron]

ppp

[Iskandar]

Yeah that's not about right.No it's not it's great.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

doy ou know why theres so many starbux?

its casue they're planning to eventually use them as currency
it's true

[McP3000]

i hope you didnt think that was a joke

[1338 h4x0r]

Alright so my friend got rejected from university and he seems to be suicidal, having mentioned wanting to "jump off a roof"

What should I do

[fingers mccoy]

Alright so my friend got rejected from university and he seems to be suicidal, having mentioned wanting to "jump off a roof"

What should I do

tell him to get a job and reapply

[Light Flantastic]

yeah give him a push in the right direction

[fingers mccoy]

lol

[1338 h4x0r]

He has a career now, he just wants to finish his education

This isn't funny by the way

[Light Flantastic]

yeah it is your friend is a pussy tell him there are people starving or something

[fingers mccoy]

it's difficult to give advice that isn't to do with professional intervention in a situation like this and without knowing more

[1338 h4x0r]

it's difficult to give advice that isn't to do with professional intervention in a situation like this and without knowing more

Yeah just wondering if any of you had been in a similar situation

yeah it is your friend is a pussy tell him there are people starving or something

Comparing people's suffering is retarded when suffering is entirely at the brain level (and therefore varies from one person to the next), derp

[Light Flantastic]

well let him commit illogical suicide then

he must be like 20 its hardly something that he cant get over

[Aaron]

Life ends at 21.

[Light Flantastic]

idk being a teen is pretty ****

20-30 is basically the best times, 30-40 is ok

you should kill yourself at 41

[gregulus]

starbux coffee can be good sometimes

Starbucks coffee is not very good, tbh.

[Chu]

idk being a teen is pretty ****

20-30 is basically the best times, 30-40 is ok

you should kill yourself at 41
I actually agree with this philosophy.

Turing died when he was 41, and few people have had as big a contribution to modern life (well, probably not, but meh).

[rasputin]

gotta kill yourself at 44 so people can't get into your brain

[Aaron]

idk being a teen is pretty ****

20-30 is basically the best times, 30-40 is ok

you should kill yourself at 41
I'm going to die at 27 like a true rockstar.

[McP3000]

hey now youre a rockstar get your game on go play

[mph4ever]

He has a career now, he just wants to finish his education

This isn't funny by the way

did you ever once consider that perhaps the college thing is a cover up and he really wants to kill himself because hes your friend?

if this turns out to be the case then tell just to sign up here and join the rest of us

[McP3000]

all that living is gooollllddd

[die of starvation]

how good is video killed the radio star really good

[die of starvation]

I'm curious about the opposite sex too but it'll have to wait until you're older.

the dropper wat are you talking about this doesnt make sense

[Mr. Ron]

tway I agree 1hunnerd % with video killed the radio star

[Light Flantastic]

maybe once iskandar gets tired of pretending hes a jew he'll pretend hes gay

but will that be more or less pathetic

[die of starvation]

only if i get to **** him

[Mr. Ron]

ugh so hot

[mph4ever]

whacko dead, now he won't need makeup for the thriller video no more

although i heard that he won't need cryogenics or the like. they are working on his expected half life presently

can't imagine what his will says? i leave my nose to junior........

[McP3000]

only if i get to **** him
pixorlories plox

[1338 h4x0r]

now playing: Hollahco$t feat. Adolf Hu$tler - Y Deez Jewz B Hatin On Me

[gregulus]

"I'm sorry Mr. President, but **** your socialized healthcare. It doesn't work for the people who get it now- what makes you think making it available to the masses will make it work any better? I get up and go to work to pay for my healthcare... Once again, let's hear it for FACISM!"

lol at facebook status updates.

[Iskandar]

Canada is fascist. We are so unfree.

But at least our healthcare is free.

[beso negro]

healthcare is not that hard to afford i pay $44 a pay check

[Iskandar]

healthcare is not that hard to afford i pay $44 a pay checkFunny that so many Americans seem to think it is, in fact hard to afford.

[ridethelib]

Well, currently, health insurance in America is goddamn expensive.

[Iskandar]

All healthcare is goddamn expensive.

But I don't have to pay for mine up front.

[McP3000]

yeah you get other people to

[Iskandar]

yeah you get other people toYeah that's the idea behind socialization.

Everyone pays for everyone else.

[Mr. Ron]

I'd rather not

[Iskandar]

I'd rather notThen don't live here.

[Mr. Ron]

lol @ people thinking universal health care is somehow "fascism". However, its still a bad idea imo.

[Iskandar]

lol @ people thinking universal health care is somehow "fascism". However, its still a bad idea imo.Did fascist regimes have universal healthcare or just universal deathcare.

I think it's a great idea but I acknowledge there are significant problems in reforming a system that's seriously screwed up to begin with.

[Mr. Ron]

health care is as much or a right as having the right to a carpenter or plummer

[Iskandar]

health care is as much or a right as having the right to a carpenter or plummerI don't need a carpenter to live.

Unless it's the JC. <3

[Mr. Ron]

hahaha

[gregulus]

I really don't understand the whole "fascism" thing. It's blowing my mind.

[Mr. Ron]

yeah i'm rather conservative on the health car issue but when it comes to throwing around the word "fascism" i'll sit out a few plays. Most people who say things like that don't even know what fascism is.

[Iskandar]

Obama is fascist. That's what it is.

[Light Flantastic]

its authoritarianism.

[Iskandar]

Fascism is authoritarian good job you're really on top of your game today just making connections like crazy.

[Light Flantastic]

all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares

all facism is authoritarian but not all authoritarianism is fascist

very complex, i know

[Iskandar]

I have a textbook on this stuff. Imagine that.

[Light Flantastic]

well you seemed to be in quite a tizzy about me calling it authoritarian i was helping you out

[Iskandar]

Yeah I'm disputing fascism is authoritarian.

[Light Flantastic]

i was calling social healthcare authoritarian so thats lucky

well, the means of providing it anyway

[ridethelib]

blah blah blah

[Light Flantastic]

it is the politics forum thats what happens here

[beso negro]

Funny that so many Americans seem to think it is, in fact hard to afford.

maybe they should get higher paying jobs :confused:

[Iskandar]

maybe they should get higher paying jobs :confused:Maybe not everyone can be rich.

[pedro durruti]

hahaha, this is getting absurd! the thing is iskandar is that i am serious, but you're not serious enough to take me that way

[Iskandar]

hahaha, this is getting absurd! the thing is iskandar is that i am serious, but you're not serious enough to take me that wayI am very serious and I didn't think your one thread was serious enough.

[pedro durruti]

i am very serious in all of my threads and i've illustrated my seriousness many times in the substance of my postings whether they fully subscribed to your definition of seriousness or not. being very serious isn't a very serious thing to do.

[Iskandar]

And I quote:
bee beep beep. how come no one uses soulseek? **** forums, forums are too slow. this is what the internet's ABOUT, man.. ha ha ha... like insects in saturn

[pedro durruti]

that's neglecting the rest of the thread. and i've made the exact same thread conveying an identical message: we should talk on soulseek and make a room. obviously i was being goofy, but if you're going to narrow your criticism by only pointing out that, then you'd be missing a lot. just because an utterance is wrapped in being silly, that does not make it silly.

[Iskandar]

What exactly was the point of your thread.

Did it even have one.

[pedro durruti]

i was trying to broaden the scope of the discussion because i didn't want to make three threads on three separate things so i just decided to put multiple subjects into one because i thought why not. if we wanted to talk about it in its most basic sense i was just talking about acts of revolution as simple acts of change like celebration and especially celebration with political implication and how social activism can be. or what use is it, what methods are the best or affective, or whatever else. i started talking about english because when i was writing that i got fascinated by the way english sound and the ring it has, and discussion about linguistics is always appreciated.. but maybe i was talking about it in the too literary sense..

[Iskandar]

Okay, first of all, if you typed like this:
I was trying to broaden the scope of the discussion. Because I didn't want to make three threads on three separate things, I just decided to put multiple subjects into one because I thought "why not".

If we wanted to talk about it in its most basic sense, I was just talking about acts of revolution as simple acts of change. Like celebration and especially celebration with political implication; and how social activism can be. Or what use is it, what methods are the best or most effective, or whatever else.

I started talking about English because when I was writing that I got fascinated by the way English sounds and the ring it has, and discussion about linguistics is always appreciated. But maybe I was talking about it in too much of a literary sense.it would be actually be readable and I would be more inclined to take it seriously. Paragraph and line breaks are your friend.

[gregulus]

yeah you get other people to

You also get better, more efficient and more affordable care.

[beso negro]

lol you can argue more affordable but not efficient or better.

if america's health care is so bad why do people from all over the world flock here to get it including people from canada. it's because we have the best doctors and plenty of them so waiting time is almost zero.

[1338 h4x0r]

The WHO ranks us behind Cyprus or something overall

So, while the US system may provide well specifically for people who can afford to jump waiting lines, it isn't much good at all in a utilitarian sense

Also the private insurance system is extremely wasteful

[TheDarkHorse]

lol you can argue more affordable but not efficient or better.

if america's health care is so bad why do people from all over the world flock here to get it including people from canada. it's because we have the best doctors and plenty of them so waiting time is almost zero.

Oh shut up.

IF you looked past this republican talkingpoint, you'd realize that its the wealthy, not the average person, who is coming to get treated for specialized procedures.

1338 already said it all, but how much more pathetic is it that wealthy from other countries are treated before the poor of our own country? Healthcare is not a business, rather a way to cure the sick. Our country's largely failed on that part, which is why we rank so low compared to developed nations.

[gregulus]

The American health care system is, by and large, driven by a "that's what we do here" methodology, as opposed to one driven by data. The Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice have recently published studies indicating that patients in higher-spending areas get more unnecessary tests and spend more time in the hospital than patients in lower-spending areas but with absolutely no change in the outcome. The high prices of health care here are due to the desire to make profit, indicated by lobbyists fighting like hell against any health care reform and the fee-for-service structure of many hospitals. Lobbyists recently pushed a bill designed to limit "comparative-effectiveness research," that would empirically show which treatments are the most effective for certain diseases. Doctors get paid more if they do more things to you and hospitals make more the longer you stay, so the incentive to really used research-driven medicine isn't there. In essence, Americans spend more money annually on tests and procedures that are unnecessary.

An example of how our health care system should run is the Mayo Clinic. Compared with the UCLA Medical Center, the Mayo Clinic spent $40,410 less per patient, had 28.9 less physician visits per patient and patients spent 6.5 less days in the hospital at Mayo than UCLA. The Mayo Clinic has electronic records (a staple of the evil "socialist" health care systems) which promote efficiency and, perhaps most importantly, has teams of doctors that work together so that things like duplicate tests are minimized. Another interesting part of Mayo's organization is their reliance on evidence-based medicine. Unfortunately, it's unclear if Mayo can continue this way of practicing medicine with the costs of health care in the United States being what they are.

[gregulus]

Also, it's terribly ironic that the Mayo Clinic is one of the more popular places where the non-American (and American, obviously) wealthy go to get treatment.

[beso negro]

I see your point gregulus. overtreament is a problem, but it won't be solved by universal healthcare. the problem is that doctors do these essentially unnessesary tests to cover their ***. they are afraid of being sued for malpractice because of under treatment.

[gregulus]

I see your point gregulus. overtreament is a problem, but it won't be solved by universal healthcare. the problem is that doctors do these essentially unnessesary tests to cover their ***. they are afraid of being sued for malpractice because of under treatment.

I'm not sure that's true. As I stated, there are places (like the Mayo Clinic and health care systems in almost every other industrialized nations) that don't rely on unnecessary tests to treat patients and aren't sued for malpractice at any increased rate. Instead, they rely on research to determine what methods might be the best to treat whatever symptoms the patient is exhibiting. I've already shown how the U.S. health care system is rather inefficient compared to other industrialized nations. Some type of government involvement would make affordable and efficient health care very possible.

[Freiheit]

I may be wrong and this question may be cliche but aren't there waiting lists for even getting checked out by a doctor in such systems?

I mean, if there's a genuine problem with me I know I will be seen by my doctor THAT DAY or the next.

[gregulus]

I may be wrong and this question may be cliche but aren't there waiting lists for even getting checked out by a doctor in such systems?

I mean, if there's a genuine problem with me I know I will be seen by my doctor THAT DAY or the next.
That depends on the condition in some cases. In most cases, however, places with universal coverage report more cases of same day appointments and a lower number of waits over 6 days for an appointment. The exception is Canada. Canada's numbers are not terribly different from our own, however.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2gv348i.png

[Iskandar]

It really does vary. Generally rural areas are understaffed so that skews everything.

I don't deny wait times do exist but their prevalence has been grossly exaggerated.

[Freiheit]

Alex stop covering up for your fascist state!

[gregulus]

If you would look at the figure that I just posted from a study I have on my computer from the Commonwealth Fund, you'll see that Canada's wait times are not dramatically different from the wait times in the United States. However, the other countries involved have lower wait times than both Canada and the United States.

[mph4ever]

jewsus

[McP3000]

jewsusaurus rex

[mph4ever]

thats old

[Iskandar]

Alex stop covering up for your fascist state!Canada is more liberal than you.

[Freiheit]

I like the parts of Canada I visited, albeit a bit boring. Nice scenery.

[Iskandar]

You just summed up Canada. Where did you visit though.

[Freiheit]

Montreal, Niagara falls and Ottawa.

[McP3000]

umm why does it matter canada is all the same.

[Iskandar]

Montreal, Niagara falls and Ottawa.All nice cities.
umm why does it matter canada is all the same.
Lol no.

In terms you parochial backwoods ridnicks might understand, the Maritimes correspond to New England, Ontario is the "heartland", the Prairies are the American West and BC is Washington/Oregon. Of course the Yukon/Territories are Alaska.

Alberta is Texas.

[McP3000]

Texas has more diversity than Canada ever will you dont know anything about my state you judgmental hypocrite

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

do not come to the prairies i dont need any more mxers around here

[Iskandar]

Texas has more diversity than Canada ever will you dont know anything about my state you judgmental hypocriteYeah there are stockyards and oil refineries.

[Smokey D]

I may be wrong and this question may be cliche but aren't there waiting lists for even getting checked out by a doctor in such systems?

Sometimes I turn up to the doctor's and there is a queue which takes maybe an hour to get through. But that's only if I don't make an appointment.

Maybe if I had cancer or something serious there'd be longer waiting times, but from what I understand this pretty much happens everywhere unless you can afford expensive private treatments.

[Iskandar]

Why would you not make an appointment before going to the doctor?

[Smokey D]

I dunno. I was feeling especially ill randomly.

[Iskandar]

I'd at least call ahead.

[Smokey D]

Clearly socialised medicine is a failure then.

[Iskandar]

Clearly socialised medicine is a failure then.I'd much rather walk into a private clinic and pay out of my own pocket, which I of course can easily afford, bourgeois that I am.

THAT WAS SARCASM JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET IT, GUYS.

[Freiheit]

lol even alex prefers privatized health care

[Against Miik!]

Somebody make a new thread. All of the current ones have gotten stale.

[Iskandar]

lol even alex prefers privatized health carewww.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

[McP3000]

lol even alex prefers privatized health care
well obviously its better

[gregulus]

well obviously its better

why?

[Against Miik!]

Because the free market doesn't work when efficiency is at odds with profit.

[Iskandar]

well obviously its betterWell obviously you'd say that if you live in America.

[1338 h4x0r]

According to the WHO our system isn't so good

[Iskandar]

But private healthcare is better because private healthcase is better.

[McP3000]

Well obviously you'd say that if you live in America.
wait didnt you just say you prefer private healthcare

[Iskandar]

wait didnt you just say you prefer private healthcareI was being sarcastic. Haven't you noticed I've argued in favour of socialized healthcare consistently for the past like five years.

[Aaron]

Socialise it all.

[YDtoad]

I was being sarcastic. Haven't you noticed I've argued in favour of socialized healthcare consistently for the past like five years.

I'm quite convinced that it won't work in America for a few reasons:
1) The Obama administration now has a track record of ineptitude and failure at what they try (see: stimulus). Health care is much harder to manage correctly than a common sense stimulus, which Obama couldn't figure out and instead turned into a disgusting pork bill that failed utterly.

2) Obama will appoint a hack to run it, the same as he appointed hacks to run GM.

3) Nationalized health care seems to work best in smaller, more densely urbanized populations lacking comparable pockets of long-term social services abusers that are found in America.

4) It will inescapably result in higher taxes, which will stall economic growth when we need it. Better to implement this when the economy recovers as a natural moderator on recovery growth, to prevent inflation. And when someone else other than Barack the Incompetent is in charge.

[beso negro]

According to the WHO our system isn't so good

but they're just a rock band what do they know

[gregulus]

I'm quite convinced that it won't work in America for a few reasons:
1) The Obama administration now has a track record of ineptitude and failure at what they try (see: stimulus). Health care is much harder to manage correctly than a common sense stimulus, which Obama couldn't figure out and instead turned into a disgusting pork bill that failed utterly.

2) Obama will appoint a hack to run it, the same as he appointed hacks to run GM.
Neither of these two points actually addresses the issue of universal health care. They just reflect your bias against Obama. It's also hilarious that you say that the stimulus failed less than 6 months after it was passed.

3) Nationalized health care seems to work best in smaller, more densely urbanized populations lacking comparable pockets of long-term social services abusers that are found in America.
Abusers of social services are not all that common in America either. People just prefer to cling to the examples of such abusers and scream that welfare doesn't work.

4) It will inescapably result in higher taxes, which will stall economic growth when we need it. Better to implement this when the economy recovers as a natural moderator on recovery growth, to prevent inflation. And when someone else other than Barack the Incompetent is in charge.
Not necessarily. The U.S. already spends more of its GDP on health care than any other industrialized nation (all of whom have universal health care) and spends more on the administrative and bureaucratic aspects of health care than any other industrialized nation. I posted statistics in a couple of posts back.

[McP3000]

I was being sarcastic. Haven't you noticed I've argued in favour of socialized healthcare consistently for the past like five years.
i dont see how you can argue that privatized medicine isnt better than socialized, assuming you have the money for both

[gregulus]

i dont see how you can argue that privatized medicine isnt better than socialized, assuming you have the money for both

Well, if you're basing privatized medicine on the American system, then the prices are higher, a lot of people get unnecessary and/or duplicate tests done, the quality of care is basically the same, privatized health care has considerably more administrative costs and processes to go through and it's less efficient.

[Iskandar]

i dont see how you can argue that privatized medicine isnt better than socialized, assuming you have the money for bothBoth have their advantages and disadvantages.

I have used private services before for elective procedures like having my wisdom teeth removed. The bureaucracy was even worse, honestly.

I would say the building looked nicer, but then Big Government just built a shiny new hospital on the other side of town (damn you socialist Canadian healthcare system).

[YDtoad]

Neither of these two points actually addresses the issue of universal health care. They just reflect your bias against Obama. It's also hilarious that you say that the stimulus failed less than 6 months after it was passed.

The WH said it would already be working. Their silly projections had the stimulated economy's unemployment rate below 7% at this very point. Instead, it is above 9 and destined to hit 10. It failed, and it is not too early to make that judgment (Warren Buffet made the exact same judgment). Obama could've taken John McCain's idea, which was pure economic stimulus, a drop in the corporate tax rate, and no pork, but he let Nancy Pelosi destroy the bill. Failure of leadership.


Abusers of social services are not all that common in America either. People just prefer to cling to the examples of such abusers and scream that welfare doesn't work.

Erm dude, take it from someone who lives around them: they are common.


Not necessarily. The U.S. already spends more of its GDP on health care than any other industrialized nation (all of whom have universal health care) and spends more on the administrative and bureaucratic aspects of health care than any other industrialized nation. I posted statistics in a couple of posts back.

Actually Iceland and Germany spend more than us. We are inefficient, this I will give you, but then what makes you think we will suddenly get more efficient? Baradk Obama has no clue what he is doing and efficiency is a pipe dream in his white house. Corruption and waste is endemic. The projections have shown that we would spend far more money on national health care even than we are spending now.

[Iskandar]

Erm dude, take it from someone who lives around them: they are common.Not our fault you live in Pittsburgh.
Corruption and waste is endemic. In Sierra Leone, yeah.

[Mr. Ron]

idk you Canadians seem to flock here for the more important medical things so maybe your doctors suck

[Iskandar]

idk you Canadians seem to flock here for the more important medical things so maybe your doctors suckHow many times do you people need to be told it's the wealthy who do that so they can jump the queue at places which treat everyone.

They do the same in America.

Then you never seem to provide statistics of how prevalent this actually is or how many Americans go to other countries for treatment.

[Mr. Ron]

How many times do you people need to be told it's the wealthy who do that so they can jump the queue at places which treat everyone.

They do the same in America.

Then you never seem to provide statistics of how prevalent this actually is or how many Americans go to other countries for treatment.
I don't need to provide anything I am American so I automatically kick ***



(to tell you the truth its getting harder and harder to find things that are good about America but ssshhhh)

[Iskandar]

Alright okay.

[Mr. Ron]

anyways, hows your day going? I'm bored.

[Iskandar]

Rainy, hungry.

[Mr. Ron]

I haven't eaten all day. Mostly because I don't take breaks at work anymore.

[Iskandar]

You're that gung-ho eh.

[Mr. Ron]

Nah I hate my job but I'm just used to not taking a break anymore.

[Iskandar]

So take a break and eat during it. You're surrounded by food.

[Mr. Ron]

Maybe if i was of weak moral character! Hmph!

[Iskandar]

Or just hungry.

[Mr. Ron]

In my day, we had to fight off Micks in the dock yards for a can of beans!

[Iskandar]

lol

[Mr. Ron]

RACISM IS NOT FUNNY, ALEX!


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