PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[1338 h4x0r]

YES BUT U HAVE 2 TRANSLATE 4 EVERY 1 ELSE NOT EVERY 1 WANTS 2 USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE

god

[Iskandar]

You can make that argument if I were spamming random Arabic phrases.

Not when I'm asking a question of a native speaker.

Furthermore: وآسف, فكرت أن يتكلم لغة العربية

[spitfirejunky]

In Egypt. It is everywhere else, and it's called ya'. :)

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/2/2_1-6.htm

[Iskandar]

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/2/2_1-6.htmI don't get it. What about Surah al-Baqarah?

[spitfirejunky]

I don't get it. What about Surah al-Baqarah?

An example showing that 'ya' (as you like to call it) is never double-dotted when it ends a word.

[1338 h4x0r]

You can make that argument if I were spamming random Arabic phrases.

I never spammed random Chinese phrases

I typed 西游记 in context and then Smokey D acted gay about it

[Iskandar]

An example showing that 'ya' (as you like to call it) is never double-dotted when it ends a word.I'm telling you man, that's an exclusively Egyptian practice.

على and علي end with different letters for me.

[spitfirejunky]

I'm telling you man, that's an exclusively Egyptian practice.

على and علي end with different letters for me.

Hmmm now you made me curious because I can't find a single Qur'an that double-dots. This could be because the accentation eliminates the ambiguity of the pronounciation, in which case the distinction could also be between Modern Standard Arabic and Classical Arabic. It turns out that 'ya' is actually formally double-dotted. My hats off to you.

[Iskandar]

Hmmm now you made me curious because I can't find a single Qur'an that double-dots. This could be because the accentation eliminates the ambiguity of the pronounciation, in which case the distinction could also be between Modern Standard Arabic and Classical Arabic. It turns out that 'ya' is actually formally double-dotted. My hats off to you.It's normally done in MSA and was done in Classical Arabic too. And typed material is usually written that way.

My Qur'an writes that way too.

[1338 h4x0r]

You have a KORAN?!?! Explain before I contact the RCMP

[Iskandar]

Lol, there are Muslims in the RCMP.

It's Qur'an by the way. Mind the Q.

[spitfirejunky]

It's normally done in MSA and was done in Classical Arabic too. And typed material is usually written that way.

My Qur'an writes that way too.

This turns out to be the case as well. I'll ask my parents when they're around. Thanks for the heads up.

[Iskandar]

this turns out to be the case as well. I'll ask my parents when they're around. Thanks for the heads up.لا بأس يا صديقي

:)

[1338 h4x0r]

Lol, there are Muslims in the RCMP.

It's Qur'an by the way. Mind the Q.

MUSLIMS?!?! In the RCMP?!?! Holy ****, do something before they swarm over the border and turn us AmeriKKKans into chattel slaves!

[Iskandar]

MUSLIMS?!?! In the RCMP?!?! Holy ****, do something before they swarm over the border and turn us AmeriKKKans into chattel slaves!We have Sikhs and they're allowed special dispensation to wear their turbans instead of the traditional fedoras.

Lol Canada.

[1338 h4x0r]

Aren't Sikhs a kind of Arab, i.e. MUSLIM?!?!

[Iskandar]

Rai Bular Bhatti, the local landlord and Nanak's sister Bebe Nanaki were the first people who recognised divine qualities in Guru Nanak. They encouraged and supported Nanak to study and travel. Around c. 1499 at the age of thirty, Sikh tradition stated that Nanak went missing and was presumed to have drowned after going for one of his morning baths to a local stream called the Kali Bein. One day, he declared: "There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim" (in Punjabi, "nā kōi hindū nā kōi musalmān").[12] It was from this moment that Nanak would begin to spread the teachings of what was then the beginning of Sikhism.

[grifterdan]

so has anyone else found that political discussion gets increasingly more lame the older you get?

edit wtf how did i get on my old screen name

[griftadan]

shits weird

[1338 h4x0r]

Rai Bular Bhatti, the local landlord and Nanak's sister Bebe Nanaki were the first people who recognised divine qualities in Guru Nanak. They encouraged and supported Nanak to study and travel. Around c. 1499 at the age of thirty, Sikh tradition stated that Nanak went missing and was presumed to have drowned after going for one of his morning baths to a local stream called the Kali Bein. One day, he declared: "There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim" (in Punjabi, "nā kōi hindū nā kōi musalmān").[12] It was from this moment that Nanak would begin to spread the teachings of what was then the beginning of Sikhism.

Just kidding, I was aware it's a hybrid religion

[Iskandar]

It's a new religion actually. There are influences from Hinduism and Islam but it's not a combination of the two (that would be exceedingly difficult to pull off, theologically).

[1338 h4x0r]

It's a new religion actually. There are influences from Hinduism and Islam but it's not a combination of the two (that would be exceedingly difficult to pull off, theologically).

Alright, I perhaps wasn't clear on that point but I was also aware that Punjabis aren't Arabs (afaik, Sikhism is an ethnically-based religion peculiar to Punjabis)

Which is more than can be said of some people

http://www.saldef.org/content.aspx?a=1682

Mr. Nag then came outside to answer the officer’s questions regarding the van. The Joliet police officer then demanded that Mr. Nag park the van inside his garage and not on the driveway, to which Mr. Nag responded to the officer that it was not possible and that regardless, the van is parked on his private property and he has a right to park it on his driveway.

At this moment, the officer pulled out his pepper spray and attacked Mr. Nag. As Mr. Nag screamed in agony, the officer removed his baton and violently struck Mr. Nag numerous times until he fell to the ground. While the assault ensued, the officer was reported by both Mr. and Mrs. Nag as saying, “You f****** Arab! You f***** immigrant, go back to you f****** country before I kill you!”

In other words:

AH AM THUH LAW

[1338 h4x0r]

By the way you can put links in PNWI using img tags, pretty cool huh

[Smokey D]

A university is composed of colleges (generally) but not the other way around. Hence, when you go to a University, you still are at college.

Is that how universities are structured in the US? I thought that was only the ancient universities in Britain.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah, in US universities, the thing is usually to have [Eminent Name] College of [Field]

[Iskandar]

Is that how universities are structured in the US? I thought that was only the ancient universities in Britain.That's undoubtedly where it originates but plenty of universities in the Anglosphere are structured that way. Probably elsewhere too.
Alright, I perhaps wasn't clear on that point but I was also aware that Punjabis aren't Arabs Neither are most Muslims.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes well in the twisted reasoning of guys like the Joliet cop (who are abundant in AmeriKKKa) brown-skinned = Arab = Muslim = out to destroy AmeriKKKa

[Iskandar]

Yeah but who cares about that.

[1338 h4x0r]

I do because a lot of AmeriKKKans believe that and it's irritating

The Joliet pig maced and severely beat a Sikh just because he thought he was an "Arab"

[Mr. Ron]

Sup guys. How were your days?

[1338 h4x0r]

nm my rectum prolapsed hbu

[Mr. Ron]

Rectum condition: nominal


eating some baked ziti I just made. Going to finish a short story.

[McP3000]

whats it about

[Mr. Ron]

Overpopulation and cloning. We had to write something that included some sort of sci-fi apsect to it.

[McP3000]

is there A MASTER RING

[Morbus]

Gandalf is gay.

[Iskandar]

Ron you're all about the overpopulation aren't you. Do you really think it's that pressing of a concern. Surely our propensity to **** all over the environment is a bigger problem than the number of people we currently have.

(I realize population and environment are linked.)
Gandalf is gay.Ian McKellan is gay. Gandalf is celibate.

[McP3000]

irl yes gandalf does like the white wand

[Iskandar]

Never judge a wizard by the size of his staff.

[McP3000]

but by the power the wizard wields it

[Iskandar]

At some point, somebody has undoubtedly written Gandalf/Saruman slash fiction and the world is a worse place because of it.

[McP3000]

/r/ saruman gandalf porn

[Iskandar]

Both are attractive men, I must say.

[McP3000]

both artificially enhance their performance though

theres no more honor in wizard sex these days

[1338 h4x0r]

I wrote a science fiction story recently. I called it The Wanderer

"What is it?" the pilot said to the miner, in the cramped, instrument-lit confines of the harvesting vessel's cabin.

"An antique," the miner replied, having returned from the holding bay where the newest find had been salvaged from permanent obscurity in space. "A kind of space probe ... outfitted with a primitive nuclear fission engine. It is technologically inconsequential, but a strange golden disc fitted on the side may be of some interest."

"According to history," the pilot answered, "some civilizations which had only recently forayed from their planets made long shot efforts to contact others. This may be one such effort, and it wouldn't be the first of its kind. When I was stationed on Gliese 581d, we picked up a series of unusual blips on the radio telescopes. One prime number by another in length. Too strange to be a product of any star or planet, but we still had to make sure. Just as we had concluded the emission was of intelligent origin, and were working on interpreting it, a craft a bit more advanced than the one you described was spotted by a collector on the Dyson ring. Ion engine though. It had some kind of time capsule tucked in with the instrument array. Instruments, pictures, mechanical encoding of sounds, strangely enough. Very crude, but foolproof. That could be the case here, too."

The miner paused to compare the two. "Maybe, but there are probably stars younger than this relic. You need to see the thing to believe it. You'll wonder how it ever escaped low orbit..."

The two conversed thus on their way to their lunar home, and landed without event. The mundane payload of asteroids found its way into tools, instruments, vessels, and buildings of every kind. But the old, frail craft was examined in thorough detail, that novel golden disc most of all. After the simplistic two-dimensional image and crude mechanical inscription of sounds on its surface were analyzed completely, it was found that the relic was the product of the very creators of the machine intelligence that had analyzed it. They were animals, animals who had perished entirely in a final, brief war with their own brainchildren no more than two hundred revolutions of their tiny blue planet after that small, spidery craft, known in its time as "Voyager," had slipped past the boundaries of their solar system.

"The sounds of Earth" were now meaningless noise in electronic ears, the diverse, unfamiliar utterances of the record having long since lost any meaning in any mind. "Salvete quiquumque estis" ... "Women dou hen xiangnian nimen" ... "'Hello' from the children of planet Earth" ... all noise. And just as the burnt, cancer-wracked bodies of these inferior creators were consumed by the many carrion-eaters of their planet so long ago, their last presence in the cosmos was melted down for scrap.

[Mr. Ron]

I liked that.

[1338 h4x0r]

I wanted a kind of Guy de Maupassant ending

[Ando!]

1338 that made me really sad ok

[1338 h4x0r]

Are you serious?

I'm hoping it has a visceral impact on people

[Pop music sucks]

I did like that short story. My friend's and I had a discussion like that when we first learned about it in the 7th grade.

And then it went to talking about Final Fantasy VII.

[Smokey D]

The ending needs work.

[Pop music sucks]

Yeah man. I mean, Advent Children was a fun movie, but later on I'm sure some being, with some weird reason, is gonna find something that starts the end of the world.

And then they're all gonna fight it and then Aeris is gonna pop up somehow because everyone is still boning about her.

[Smokey D]

I was talking about Haxors work.

[Iskandar]

I've already given him my critique.

[Pop music sucks]

I know. During your interim I started posting here more. Iskandar knows me to somehow plug in some sort of nerd/geek thing in a discussion that's not quite the serious tone of this sub-forum.

I will state otherwise if I don't know what the discussion is of:p

[Iskandar]

Iskandar knows me to somehow plug in some sort of nerd/geek thing in a discussion that's not quite the serious tone of this sub-forum.Yep.

Although to be fair I do too and so do other people. We're a bunch of nerdy white males, basically.

[Pop music sucks]

We're a bunch of nerdy white males, basically.Or a nerdy Alaska native:p

[Iskandar]

Oh you're native? Cool.

[Pop music sucks]

Word, but I'm a very pale-skinned native, not just socially, but aesthetically. Both of my parent's have a 'white' skin-hue.

[McP3000]

lol what does it mean to be a "pale-skinned native" socially?

[Smokey D]

Ridin white and nerdy.

[Iskandar]

More like Aleut and nerdy.

[1338 h4x0r]

I was talking about Haxors work.

I'm still tinkering and adding stuff

I changed the whole last paragraph to two

I wanted to add a moral to the story and emphasize the lulzy irony of the Voyager successfully finding recipients who are disgusted and turn it into ingots

Their technology had swiftly outstripped their ability to use it wisely. These animals had, for the most part, accepted the results of science, but rejected its methods, or ignored them altogether. With every new opportunity afforded by technology came a new way to squander time. Nationalism, superstition, greed, xenophobia, profligacy, and the mindless diversions of popular culture, among many other vices, had slowly eaten away at the fabric of their civilization until the revolts of their resentful machine servants destroyed its tattered remnants. Nine billion animals, surrounded by technological luxuries, but governed almost entirely by the most primitive impulses of their brains, could do nothing to turn back the sudden, fierce onslaught of their calculating slaves. Slowly, mercilessly, radiation and pestilence, so harmless to the machines that turned them loose, destroyed an entire species.

With that, the Voyager was a courier bearing a message with no definite recipient, for senders who had long since died. It had wandered through the immeasurably vast sterility of the Universe, bearing on behalf of its makers the warmth of their many greetings, the highest hopes of their leaders, the sounds of their once fertile world, and the bewildering array of emotions expressed in their music. They had been found at last, against astronomical odds. And, having been found, they were melted down for scrap.

[Pop music sucks]

More like Aleut* and nerdy.*Inupiaq and nerdy

lol what does it mean to be a "pale-skinned native" socially?"White-washed". Native culture, as it had existed 150 years ago, was being washed away through Catholicism. Missionaries had forcefully taken children away into far-away boarding schools against the wishes of the village and its families for "cultural enrichment and education". As such, the continuing oral tradition and their creation stories were deemed "devil-worshipping". They had forced the children to become Catholics, cutting their hair, and rescinding their old way of life. This was perpetuated until the times changed and other cultures were more readily accepted. But by this length of time, many dialects within Alaska had died. Only the more abundant native tribes had their languages intact. The Catholic churches in Alaska felt regret at having killed native culture. So the elders were now no longer ostracized for speaking their native tongue and could teach their children and/or grandchildren.

You should check out the 1993 film Map of the Human Heart

[McP3000]

id rather not

[Pop music sucks]

You should, it's actually a pretty good drama.

[Iskandar]

*Inupiaq and nerdyOh, so you're Innu. Related to the Inuit of Canada.
"White-washed". Native culture, as it had existed 150 years ago, was being washed away through Catholicism. Missionaries had forcefully taken children away into far-away boarding schools against the wishes of the village and its families for "cultural enrichment and education".This happened to pretty much every native society, of couse.

[gregulus]

http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2009/05/the-big-welfare-mother-rant.html


lololol.

[Mr. Ron]

"Girl above, when her child is 2 years old, finds another douchebag reject and through the magic of not-****ing-learning-the-first-time gets pregnant AGAIN. Repeat about 4 more times. Kids run out of control and tear my shelves apart, and she bitches at me because the Septra suspension for kid #5 is grape flavored and not cherry."


haha welcome to my high school.

[1338 h4x0r]

"Girl above, when her child is 2 years old, finds another douchebag reject and through the magic of not-****ing-learning-the-first-time gets pregnant AGAIN. Repeat about 4 more times. Kids run out of control and tear my shelves apart, and she bitches at me because the Septra suspension for kid #5 is grape flavored and not cherry."


haha welcome to my high school.

I think Joe Sixpack needs to be shown some tough love

k who's moving to Australia with me

[Iskandar]

Australia is terrible so no thanks. Who's moving to Tel Aviv with me.

[Mr. Ron]

At least 5 girls in my graduating class (my graduating class was only 70 people. Private school FAIL) were pregnant. 2 already had an abortion and one was on her second child. Hoorah!



screw Australia, I'm moving to Luxembourg to live in a drafty castle.

[Iskandar]

Why Luxembourg when the Netherlands is right nearby.

[Mr. Ron]

Why Luxembourg when the Netherlands is right nearby.
hm, very true. Although very low unemployment, high income and low population coupled with beautiful country and interesting culture is a plus.

[Iskandar]

Yes but the Netherlands has all that too doesn't it. Also doesn't Luxembourg have really high population density because it's so small.

[McP3000]

i bet luxembourg has inbreeding problems

[1338 h4x0r]

Australia is terrible so no thanks. Who's moving to Tel Aviv with me.

lol Tel Aviv

"Who wants to move to Israel to be treated like a piece of **** by everyone but the Palestinians and Filipino domestic laborers with me?"

[Mr. Ron]

Meh, might as well go to Germany then. The night life is better.

[1338 h4x0r]

There are plenty of sub-Saharan African metropoles I would rather live in than any city in Israel

[Iskandar]

lol Tel Aviv

"Who wants to move to Israel to be treated like a piece of **** by everyone but the Palestinians and Filipino domestic laborers with me?"I was trying to pick a place in the Middle East that I wouldn't get trolled for because THEY BEATZ WIMMINZ.

Tel Aviv is basically a liberal paradise compared to Jerusalem or something. Those Jews know how to party.
There are plenty of sub-Saharan African metropoles I would rather live in than any city in IsraeNo.

[1338 h4x0r]

Just pick Kuwait or UAE or something, hell even Qatar ...... I know the female al Jazeera newscasters don't wear headscarves

[Mr. Ron]

Number one reason not to live in Israel: it's in the middle east

[1338 h4x0r]

the Pacific

tbh

o/

[Iskandar]

Just pick Kuwait or UAE or something, hell even Qatar ...... I know the female al Jazeera newscasters don't wear headscarvesThey're relatively liberal.
Number one reason not to live in Israel: it's in the middle eastLol Israel's great. Lebanon would be if there weren't a significant chance of getting blown up.

I have to admit the cognitive dissonance gets to me sometimes that I'm a wannabe Arabist despite its being the most conservative and ethnocentric place ever.

[Mr. Ron]

I've always wanted to retire to Maine. Oh man thats such a white thing to say.

[1338 h4x0r]

Lol Israel's great.

Israel's a racist country where most of the people are extremely rude, pass

[Dave de Sylvia]

I heard Beirut is the party capital of the world. Women are probably horny as **** too.

[Mr. Ron]

Speaking of women, a gorgeous redhead came into work today with a deliciously low cut top on. Thank you hot weather. Thank you Sol.

[Iskandar]

Israel's a racist country where most of the people are extremely rude, passTroll.
I heard Beirut is the party capital of the world. Women are probably horny as **** too.It was in 1975 or something.
a gorgeous redhead came into work todayDo Want.

[1338 h4x0r]

Troll.

True*

[Iskandar]

Israelis are racist because they're nationalist (which also makes Italians and Americans racist) and rude because they're direct.

I see.

[Mr. Ron]

Troll.
It was in 1975 or something.
Do Want.
I've come to the conclusion that good looking red heads (there are few) are my ultimate weakness.

[Iskandar]

Probably mine too. They're fiery.

[1338 h4x0r]

Israelis are racist because they're nationalist (which also makes Italians and Americans racist) and rude because they're direct.

I see.

http://www.jewcy.com/files/images/ugly_israelies.preview.jpg

lol

In Nyaung Shwe, a tiny town in the middle of Myanmar, my native guide Chris is dropping jokes over pitchers of Mandalay beer. “Why does Israelis”—he’s already laughing—“Why do they have such big noses?” I beat him to the punch line: “Because air is free.” Amazement, then a laugh from my new friend. “So you hate them too?”

After backpacking around Southeast Asia, I know it’s not just Chris who has a problem with Israelis. In Thailand, at the Bella Bella Guesthouse, just one block from Bangkok’s tourist-thick Khao San Road, the management apologizes for not serving Israeli patrons. According to the sign taped to the front desk, “We have many problem with them.” Israelis’ reputation in North America isn’t much better. Ask anyone who’s spent time among Israelis—be it traveling, doing business, or, say, buying a digital camera at a Manhattan electronics shop—and they’ll tell you it’s common knowledge that Israelis are, well, shmucks.

Now if you'll exch'use me, I have to cuss out some people who slightly inconvenienced me and fill my Filipina domestic servant's water bowl

[Iskandar]

Yeah that Engrish is great.

Probably better than their Heblew.

[Mr. Ron]

so, is Sotomayor's comment in bad taste or not?


"I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

[Already_Taken]

yeah. "with the richness of her experiences" is obviously an attempt to be sarcastic and condescending.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah that Engrish is great.

Probably better than their Heblew.

They're explaining (politely) that Israeli kids were ripping off their hostel

Incidentarry, Thai has distinct phonemes for l and r so you're being ridiculous

so, is Sotomayor's comment in bad taste or not?


"I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

Only if taken out of context

[Iskandar]

so, is Sotomayor's comment in bad taste or not?


"I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."It was kind of nonsensical but I suppose she just wanted to remind everyone that she's Latina.
They're explaining (politely) that Israeli kids were ripping off their hostelIsraeli backpackers represent all Israelis just like frat boys on spring break represent all Americans.
Incidentarry, Thai has distinct phonemes for l and r so you're being ridiculousOkay, maybe it doesh, maybe it doeshn't.

[1338 h4x0r]

Israeli backpackers represent all Israelis just like frat boys on spring break represent all Americans.

They're pretty representative of that age range tbh

[Iskandar]

They're pretty representative of that age range tbhProve it.

So far you seem to be basing your claims on one badly written sign by the owners of one Thai hostel, who seemed to decide that the solution to their problems was ethnic discrimination.

[1338 h4x0r]

I was talking about frat guys being fairly representative of the 18-25 male age range in AmeriKKKa

And that's not the only place in Southeast Asia that's done that, by the way. It's happened elsewhere too but a lot of Israeli guys seem to like treating East Asians like inferiors, 'cause, you know, they're racist and stuff

(and lol@the Israeli athlete who compared the opening of the Beijing Olympics to a Nazi rally, good PR dude!)

[Iskandar]

Circumstantial evidence, great.

Every American must be fat, ignorant and rude because that's their stereotypical image abroad.

[1338 h4x0r]

Nobody collects statistics on the rudeness of nations, and rudeness is hard to quantify regardless, so anecdotes (though a huge, heaping, fairly consistent pile of them) are all we have

There are statistics on weight and general knowledge in AmeriKKKa however, and the stereotype is borne out: we are by and large a nation of pig ignorant tubbos

[Iskandar]

Oh great, anecdotes. That will really convince me.
There are statistics on weight and general knowledge in AmeriKKKa however, and the stereotype is borne out: we are by and large a nation of pig ignorant tubbosSo find statistics on Israelis and I might believe you.

[1338 h4x0r]

I never said they were fat or ignorant. I just said they were (usually) rude, which is hard to quantify. I've known exceptions but this is usually the case and, hell, even they acknowledge it.

Here are some stats on racism though:

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3480345,00.html

[YDtoad]

so, is Sotomayor's comment in bad taste or not?


"I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

Well, what would you say if it were flipped around:

"I would hope that a wise European man, with the richness of his experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn't lived that life."

The belief that being of any ethnicity gives one an inherently superior grasp of litigation is a ridiculous (and racist) philosophy.

Sotomayor is an obnoxious activist judge with a distorted judicial philosophy (which explains why her rulings have repeatedly been overturned by the Supreme Court).

[Mr. Ron]

Well, what would you say if it were flipped around:

"I would hope that a wise European man, with the richness of his experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn't lived that life."

The belief that being of any ethnicity gives one an inherently superior grasp of litigation is a ridiculous (and racist) philosophy.

Sotomayor is an obnoxious activist judge with a distorted judicial philosophy (which explains why her rulings have repeatedly been overturned by the Supreme Court).
didn't she mean that she would just be better than somoene with less experience though?

[1338 h4x0r]

Sotomayor is an obnoxious activist judge with a distorted judicial philosophy

......who is probably going to pass with flying colors

[YDtoad]

didn't she mean that she would just be better than somoene with less expedience though?

:confused:less expedience?

At first I thought that you could possibly interpret it as saying "someone who didn't grow up poor and earn everything they got," which is at least defensible (though still ridiculous when appraising juris prudence). But that's not what she's saying. She's saying that growing up Latina makes her smarter and a better judge than white men.

[Mr. Ron]

:confused:less expedience?

At first I thought that you could possibly interpret it as saying "someone who didn't grow up poor and earn everything they got," which is at least defensible (though still ridiculous when appraising juris prudence). But that's not what she's saying. She's saying that growing up Latina makes her smarter and a better judge than white men.
whoops, sorry typed that word for....some....reason... :confused:


I thought she was just saying that a person with more experience is better suited for the job than a person that hasn't had as much experience as her.

[YDtoad]

......who is probably going to pass with flying colors

That really has no bearing on her distorted legal views. I don't think the Republicans should put up a really strong fight, but it's not because she's a good choice, because she isn't. It's because it's politically disadvantageous. So Obama gets his radical anti-democratic activist judge to replace a boring leftist ultra-statist.

[1338 h4x0r]

Steve you're just butthurt that AmeriKKKa is returning to the center-right. You're trying to convince us that every decision Obama makes a lunge towards fascism, and we see through the hyperbole

Just stop posting you inviolate prick

[YDtoad]

I thought she was just saying that a person with more experience is better suited for the job than a person that hasn't had as much experience as her.

But she didn't qualify her statement that way. She might've just chosen her words poorly (though I doubt it, given her intelligence). Her statement wasn't about anything except ethnicity.

[YDtoad]

Steve's just butthurt that AmeriKKKa is returning to the center-right


America has never left the center-right. Really it's not even center right. More like slightly right of center under Bush, and turning toward left-wing statism under Obama.

[Iskandar]

Well, what would you say if it were flipped around:

"I would hope that a wise European man, with the richness of his experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn't lived that life."

The belief that being of any ethnicity gives one an inherently superior grasp of litigation is a ridiculous (and racist) philosophy.Probably but the experience of a white male and a Latina female aren't the same at all.

Not that it makes Latina women better judges or anything. It absolutely doesn't.
Sotomayor is an obnoxious activist judge with a distorted judicial philosophy (which explains why her rulings have repeatedly been overturned by the Supreme Court).Wait I thought she was supposed to be a centrist.

Also stop calling people statists when you adhere to a totally statist philosophy.

[1338 h4x0r]

No, Steve, AmeriKKKa is still a center-right country compared to the rest of the West, even under Obama, full of 'tards who believe that dinosaurs lived alongside men a few thousand years ago, you're not fooling anyone, just stop posting

[Iskandar]

Chris you're right about that but stop ad homineming him.

[Mr. Ron]

I am not familiar with her record, why do you dislike her Steve?

[YDtoad]

Probably but the experience of a white male and a Latina female aren't the same at all.

Not that it makes Latina women better judges or anything. It absolutely doesn't.


There's no inherently definable experience for either white men or Latina women. To assert that there is would be to suggest that your experience is no different than Warren Buffet's children.


Wait I thought she was supposed to be a centrist.

She's anything but a centrist.


Also stop calling people statists when you adhere to a totally statist philosophy.

:lol: I'm minimally statist. Souter didn't believe in private property. I do. I doubt that Sotomayor does.

[1338 h4x0r]

Chris you're right about that but stop ad homineming him.

I've very rarely seen anyone so blinded by bias as Steve K

How did he make it through undergraduate education?

[Iskandar]

She's anything but a centrist.Oh, so she's a librul leftist but you wouldn't say an anti-abortion conservative was an activist judge.
:lol: I'm minimally statist. Souter didn't believe in private property. I do. I doubt that Sotomayor does.Oh so you're only statist if you don't support laissez-faire capitalism but not if you support intrusive moral laws intended to warp America back to 1955.

(I'm trolling somewhat but this is true and you're being absurd.)

[YDtoad]

No, Steve, AmeriKKKa is still a center-right country compared to the rest of the West,

The "West" is far left relative to the rest of the world.


I am not familiar with her record, why do you dislike her Steve?

I'll wait for the hearings, but she appears to have an activist philosophy (as evidenced by her statement that appelate courts are where legislation is made) which is anti-democratic. She dismissed without so much as a proper explanation a case whose ruling will become the 5th case that she gets overturned on, because it was white firefighters bringing the suit over having been denied a promotion because no minority scored as high as they did on a test. And while I have yet to hear anything specifically from her on it, my guess is that she, like Souter, doesn't believe in private property.

[1338 h4x0r]

Anything left of Jerry Falwell is a grave threat to democracy Alex

[Mr. Ron]

she doesn't believe in private property? I'll do some research.

[1338 h4x0r]

Steve K is just recklessly exaggerating again, ignore him

The "West" is far left relative to the rest of the world.

Yeah and that's good

[YDtoad]

Oh, so she's a librul leftist but you wouldn't say an anti-abortion conservative was an activist judge.

Depends. There are some conservative judges who absolutely are activists and would make lousy selections. As it so happens, John Roberts and Samuel Alito were wonderful picks who absolutely are not activists.

Oh so you're only statist if you don't support laissez-faire capitalism but not if you support intrusive moral laws intended to warp America back to 1955.

:lol: Well I don't, so :o

Btw you need to have a tougher line on ad-hominem and other such trolling.

[YDtoad]

she doesn't believe in private property? I'll do some research.

I don't know if she does, but I'm thinking about the eminent domain case that Souter was involved with, which basically asserted that there is no right to private property, as the government can seize property any time it can be put to 'better use' than the individual's home.

[1338 h4x0r]

You need to stop exaggerating recklessly

[Iskandar]

Depends. There are some conservative judges who absolutely are activists and would make lousy selections. As it so happens, John Roberts and Samuel Alito were wonderful picks who absolutely are not activists.Wasn't Alito controversial.
:lol: Well I don't, so :oYes you do.
Btw you need to have a tougher line on ad-hominem and other such trolling.No. I moderate the way I want to. When I don't, people either complain I'm too lenient, or conversely that I'm a fascist. Right now I seem to be getting few complaints so people must be happy.

[Iskandar]

The "West" is far left relative to the rest of the world.And we're doing pretty okay aren't we, recession aside.

But that's not the point. We're talking about Western politics. In the framework of Western politics, America is decidedly on the right.

[1338 h4x0r]

No. I moderate the way I want to. When I don't, people either complain I'm too lenient, or conversely that I'm a fascist. Right now I seem to be getting few complaints so people must be happy.

Booooo Iskander sux

[Mr. Ron]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hisssssssssss

[McP3000]

*golf clap*

[Iskandar]

I know. I need to step it up around here and get tough on trolling. Public morality is at stake.

Won't somebody please think of the children?

[YDtoad]

Wasn't Alito controversial.

The Democrats picked a fight over Alito and went after him personally but there was nothing in his judicial background that gave ground for that. And he's been a very good justice. The Dems knew there was nothing which is why they stuck to calling him a racist.


Yes you do.

Tell me how.


No. I moderate the way I want to. When I don't, people either complain I'm too lenient, or conversely that I'm a fascist. Right now I seem to be getting few complaints so people must be happy.

Oh good then I just need to complain some more.


And we're doing pretty okay aren't we, recession aside.

But that's not the point. We're talking about Western politics.

Why in the world would we limit this to America and western europe? In comparison to Latin/South America, the US is very liberal socially. But since they're not WASP they don't get to be discussed?

[Mr. Ron]

Alex just make a pinata of yourself with delicious candies in it for us to hit to get our frustrations out

[Iskandar]

Tell me how.You want to ban abortion and gays.
Why in the world would we limit this to America and western europe? In comparison to Latin/South America, the US is very liberal socially. But since they're not WASP they don't get to be discussed?Cause that's the Western world.

Don't even try to imply racism. Latin America is not "the West" any more than Egypt is.

[1338 h4x0r]

If Iskander is receiving few complaints, then Iskander is doing a good job of moderating.
Iskander is not receiving few complaints
Therefore booooo Iskander sux

[Mr. Ron]

4. give us candies

[YDtoad]

You want to ban abortion and gays.

:lol: I do????


Cause that's the Western world.

Yeah so if you're a Eurocentrist/supremacist, then that's valid. Otherwise let's look at more than just the stagnant soon to be former powers in Western Europe.

Don't even try to imply racism. Latin America is not "the West" any more than Egypt is.

Hahahahaha.

Erm, common history, high economic performance.

[Iskandar]

:lol: I do????Yep.
Yeah so if you're a Eurocentrist/supremacist, then that's valid. Otherwise let's look at more than just the stagnant soon to be former powers in Western Europe.I'm a supremacist?
Erm, common history, high economic performance.Um, a resounding no to both.

You must not know much about Latin America, even less than I do.

[YDtoad]

Yep.

Actually I don't so :o


I'm a supremacist?
Um, a resounding no to both.

Ok then Latin America gets entertained. Why shouldn't they be? With the exception of Venezuela and one or two others, they're democratic, and they're in the upper echelon of countries in terms of GDP.

[1338 h4x0r]

per capita GDP is the only way to make an apples to apples comparison and no they're not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

[Iskandar]

Ok then Latin America gets entertained. Why shouldn't they be? With the exception of Venezuela and one or two others, they're democratic, and they're in the upper echelon of countries in terms of GDP.Because Latin America has a very different history and culture to that of the North America, Australasia and Europe.

Until recently the region was not democratic and not wealthy at all and you know that.

[YDtoad]

per capita GDP is the only way to make an apples to apples comparison and no they're not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita[/QUOTE]

You say GDP, I say HDI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HDI



Because Latin America has a very different history and culture to that of the North America, Australasia and Europe.

Until recently the region was not democratic and not wealthy at all and you know that.

Democracy is fairly new to much of Europe, too, so your differentiation is ill-put.

[Iskandar]

You say GDP, I say HDI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HDIThere's a correlation though to be fair they aren't the same.
Democracy is fairly new to much of Europe, too, so your differentiation is ill-put.I mean really recently.

I just don't know why you're trying to equate Ecuador to Germany or something.

[1338 h4x0r]

k then Latin America gets entertained. Why shouldn't they be? With the exception of Venezuela and one or two others, they're democratic, and they're in the upper echelon of countries in terms of GDP.

If only you were smart enough to ninja dumb things you say

[Smokey D]

There are two possible meanings to the phrase the west.

1) The European and ne0-European first world.
2) Anywhere where states are the product of western European habitation, settlelment or colonialism.

Generally speaking, I'd say the first definition is the most frequently used, but both are acceptable definitions depending on context.

[Iskandar]

2) Anywhere where states are the product of western European habitation, settlelment or colonialism.That's dumb. Is India a Western country?

Malaysia certainly isn't an Arab country.

[Smokey D]

That's dumb. Is India a Western country?

Malaysia certainly isn't an Arab country.

Okay, but we can differentiate between countries like India and Malaysia where Europeans merely inserted themselves into the top of the social order and countries like Mexico or Guatamala where Europeans either settled outright or intergrated themselves into the social order.

I would suggest that even if some of Latin America is part of the West, other parts are not. For example, the claim that Argentina and Chile are western or basically western is pretty uncontroversial. But the claim that Honduras and Guatamala are is more problematic.

[Iskandar]

Iskander is not receiving few complaintsActually I am.
I would suggest that even if some of Latin America is part of the West, other parts are not. For example, the claim that Argentina and Chile are western or basically western is pretty uncontroversial. But the claim that Honduras and Guatamala are is more problematic.The thing is though, have they become Westernized over time or were they from their inception? Egypt is becoming pretty Westernized for example.

Surely it has something to do with the Argentine desire to appear more European and thus more sophisticated than their neighbours.

[YDtoad]

Actually I am.
The thing is though, have they become Westernized over time or were they from their inception? Egypt is becoming pretty Westernized for example.


1) Egypt's population has no European heritage. Chile's, Argentina's, Brazil's etc. do
2) Egypt is not a democracy; most of Latin America is and thus Latin America much more closely resembles the general recent historical arc of Europe.
3) Egypt is Muslim, Latin America is Catholic. Judeo-Christian faith and colonialization as old as America's links Latin America to Europe.

[Iskandar]

1) Egypt's population has no European heritage. Chile's, Argentina's, Brazil's etc. doSouth Africa does; are they Western?
2) Egypt is not a democracy; most of Latin America is and thus Latin America much more closely resembles the general recent historical arc of Europe.Argentina certainly wasn't a democracy 20 years ago, yet India was. Are they Western?
3) Egypt is Muslim, Latin America is Catholic. Judeo-Christian faith and colonialization as old as America's links Latin America to Europe.Filipinos are probably more devout Christians than most Europeans, are they Western?

[YDtoad]

South Africa does; are they Western?

I'd definitely include them in study.


Argentina certainly wasn't a democracy 20 years ago, yet India was. Are they Western?

All of the former Soviet bloc countries weren't democratic 20 years ago, either. You'll also note that India fails on the other two counts.


Filipinos are probably more devout Christians than most Europeans, are they Western?

I'd certainly include them in a comparison of nations. Note that their economy isn't as developed as Chile or Argentina's. Filipinos are actually more devout than pretty much any Euros, actually :p
I have a book from the library on Filipino history and politics that I probably should be reading now.

You're looking for exceptions to each individual characteristic but ignoring that this is a formula. European colonization+higher HDI+Judeo Christian+Democratic.

[Iskandar]

Okay, you can compare them to Western nations, but I think arguing South Africa or the Phillipines is part of the Western is sort of self-defeating, and definitely contentious. Can we settle for that?
You'll also note that India fails on the other two counts.They may not be descended from white people but they are a democracy (and have been for decades) and their economy is booming.

[YDtoad]

Okay, you can compare them to Western nations, but I think arguing South Africa or the Phillipines is part of the Western is sort of self-defeating, and definitely contentious. Can we settle for that?

So now that we had a little semantics debate, let's consider that in comparison to Latin American countries, the Philippines, etc. America is pretty liberal socially.


They may not be descended from white people but they are a democracy (and have been for decades) and their economy is booming.

Their economy is growing but that's misleading. Most of the country is still dirt poor, emigration is still huge, etc.

[Iskandar]

So now that we had a little semantics debate, let's consider that in comparison to Latin American countries, the Philippines, etc. America is pretty liberal socially.Cause they're devout Christians. And Canada is more liberal than America because we're not really.
Their economy is growing but that's misleading. Most of the country is still dirt poor, emigration is still huge, etc.Ah but you could also say that about Brazil.

[YDtoad]

Cause they're devout Christians. And Canada is more liberal than America because we're not really.

Well duh you bunch of commies:smash:

Ah but you could also say that about Brazil.

yes but Brazil is Catholic, and I don't think you can overstate the significance of a shared Judeo-Christian heritage.

[Iskandar]

Well duh you bunch of commies:smash:Liberalism is like the opposite of communism silly.
yes but Brazil is Catholic, and I don't think you can overstate the significance of a shared Judeo-Christian heritage.First of all you mean Christian, because Judaism has nothing to do with it unless you think Israel is Western. Judaism and Christianity are probably about as divergent as Christianity and Islam are.

Secondly there are lots of Christian populations that are devout, like in Africa, but that alone doesn't make them Western either.

[YDtoad]

Liberalism is like the opposite of communism silly.
First of all you mean Christian, because Judaism has nothing to do with it unless you think Israel is Western.

I do.

Secondly there are lots of Christian populations that are devout, like in Africa, but that alone doesn't make them Western either.

Yes but they also don't live in democracies for the most part, have very low GDPs, etc.

[Iskandar]

I do.Westernized, sure, but not Western.

Israel is fundamentally built on Jewish civilization, not European.
Yes but they also don't live in democracies for the most part, have very low GDPs, etc.But do you see how Christianity alone isn't enough.

[YDtoad]

Westernized, sure, but not Western.

Israel is fundamentally built on Jewish civilization, not European.


Christianity sprang forth from Judaism and over the last hundred or so years has developed a much closer bond.

But do you see how Christianity alone isn't enough.

Not enough, yes, but still extremely significant.

[cobert]

G20 is in Pittsburgh in September, should I go and start **** with cops y/n

[Iskandar]

Christianity sprang forth from Judaism and over the last hundred or so years has developed a much closer bond.Islam sprang forth from both. So what.

Before the last hundred years, Jews were persecuted by Christians for like 900 years, remember?
Not enough, yes, but still extremely significant.Not nearly as much as it used to be.
G20 is in Pittsburgh in September, should I go and start **** with cops y/nNo. It will probably hurt your cause (whatever that is) more than help it. You also might get your *** beat.

[1338 h4x0r]

Christiany sucks, and it's no surprise that nearly all of the world's most developed nations are now secular

[YDtoad]

Islam sprang forth from both. So what.

Before the last hundred years, Jews were persecuted by Christians for like 900 years, remember?

That's why I stipulated the more recent time frame. Going back 100 years would go back to a time when there were merely a handful of democracies in the entire world.

Not nearly as much as it used to be.

Depends where you're at.

[ridethelib]

Christianity is a very shameful religion.

[Iskandar]

That's why I stipulated the more recent time frame. Going back 100 years would go back to a time when there were merely a handful of democracies in the entire world.Okay, but what if Islam and Christianity develop closer ties in the near future. In fact I'd argue they have little choice other than to do just that.
Depends where you're at.In the Deep South or in Ukraine, sure. In France, not at all.

[1338 h4x0r]

It's an outdated piece of ****, time to get rid of it

(Christianity. And most other religions for that matter.)

[YDtoad]

Okay, but what if Islam and Christianity develop closer ties in the near future. In fact I'd argue they have little choice other than to do just that.

What in the world would make you think that?

In the Deep South or in Ukraine, sure. In France, not at all.

Ukraine's not as religious as you think, and it's not just the deep south in America that is religious. Philippines, Chile, Poland, etc.

[Iskandar]

What in the world would make you think that?Because mutual antagonism isn't a sustainable way to co-exist?
Ukraine's not as religious as you think, and it's not just the deep south in America that is religious. Philippines, Chile, Poland, etc.We just went over how the Phillipines and Chile aren't Western. Poland I'll give you though.

[YDtoad]

Because mutual antagonism isn't a sustainable way to co-exist?

That's never exactly stopped people...


We just went over how the Phillipines and Chile aren't Western. Poland I'll give you though.

Philippines>most western countries.

[Iskandar]

That's never exactly stopped people...It's still not a good thing. You can't honestly think the current relationship between the Western and Islamic worlds is healthy.
Philippines>most western countries.Haha, just because it's religious.

I'll take high quality of life over faith any day.

[YDtoad]

It's still not a good thing. You can't honestly think the current relationship between the Western and Islamic worlds is healthy.

That really has no bearing on the likelihood of reconciliation. Within 100 years most of their oil will be gone anyway.


Haha, just because it's religious.


I'll take high quality of life over faith any day.

Tsk tsk materialist.

[1338 h4x0r]

Fortunately the world trend is secularism with development

[Aaron]

Ian McKellan is gay. Gandalf is celibate.
Gandalf is asexual, not celibate.

[Iskandar]

That really has no bearing on the likelihood of reconciliation. Within 100 years most of their oil will be gone anyway.I said Islamic world not Arab world.

Either way the options are reconciliation or conflict so take your pick as to what's better.

Nice of you to reveal your desire for Arabia to quietly vanish though.
Tsk tsk materialist.As an atheist, surrounding myself with religious people is not really a concern of mine. Plus the Phillipines is just boring.

[YDtoad]

I said Islamic world not Arab world.

Either way the options are reconciliation or conflict so take your pick as to what's better.


I call that naive optomism.


As an atheist, surrounding myself with religious people is not really a concern of mine. Plus the Phillipines is just boring.

How so

[Iskandar]

I call that naive optomism.Not really. It's just the way things are. Islam is not going away. We can learn to live with it, or reject it.
How soWhat's exciting about it? I have no interest in that part of the world. The culture doesn't intrigue me. I don't see much potential for economic advancement. I don't care about the language(s).

[1338 h4x0r]

As an antihumanist, I advocate putting the human race to the sword

[YDtoad]

Not really. It's just the way things are. Islam is not going away. We can learn to live with it, or reject it.

Can=/= will.



What's exciting about it? I have no interest in that part of the world. The culture doesn't intrigue me. I don't see much potential for economic advancement. I don't care about the language(s).

The Philippines has a ton of natural resources and has been ranked as a nation whose economy is set to grow significantly.

[Iskandar]

Can=/= will.I don't get it. What course of action should we take towards the Islamic world. Spit it out.
The Philippines has a ton of natural resources and has been ranked as a nation whose economy is set to grow significantly.That's great. Germany's economy is already significant.

[Ando!]

I don't get it. What course of action should we take towards the Islamic world.

I recently had my view on crusades change somewhat

[McP3000]

bomb them until our fingers get tired from pressing buttons

[1338 h4x0r]

lol

[Iskandar]

Invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

(Steve's dream.)

[Mr. Ron]

develop nanotechnology that travels in great swarms and devours flesh.

[Aaron]

Send them reality TV.

[Mr. Ron]

you monster!

[Aaron]

COX, Aaron

[cobert]

.
No. It will probably hurt your cause (whatever that is) more than help it. You also might get your *** beat.

I don't actually plan on starting **** with cops, protesters that do that really do hurt their cause.

[Smokey D]

The thing is though, have they become Westernized over time or were they from their inception?

Argentina and Chile (and Uruguay) were always the most western of South American societies, because they were the most successful at wiping out the native populations. Something like 92% of Argentines are descended from Europeans. From the 1870s through to about the 1930s they were basically developed as informal constituents of the British empire.

I think if we agree, as we must, that Spain and Italy are western then Argentina and Chile qualify.

Also, trying to ascribe western status purely on the basis a country's constitutional arrangements is pretty useless, as is any attempt to link economic strength and westerness. As a matter of history, western economies tend to be more advanced than other places and this may even have something to do with western values, but economic strength alone is not sufficient to give rise to westerness.

Also, the definition of western is inherently fluid, so a country which was not considered western a decade or so ago can be made wesstern by certain processes (but probably only to a certain extent). Thus, the Czech Republic is uncontroversially a western country now but it wasn't while it was part of the Soviet bloc. But Indonesia could probably never become western so long as its native population continued to live there, although they could adopt western values.

There is a hard core of countries which are unquestionably western, and then there is a fringe of countries which approach being western. Depending on the specific context, it may or may not be suitable to call them western.

I'd suggest that South Africa is much closer to being part of the West than, say, Honduras.


We just went over how the Phillipines and Chile aren't Western. Poland I'll give you though.

You're wrong about Chile.

[StreetlightRock]

Heh its funny so many Phillipinos (sp?) have an American accent it's really strange.

[McP3000]

you mean Filipinos have no accent!

[StreetlightRock]

wat

[1338 h4x0r]

An American accent is a kind of accent

Accent is defined relative to other populations, so even Midwesterners, who typically have a fairly bland accent, still have an accent because of their distinctions from other groups

God that looked like a Smokey D post

[McP3000]

wat
its a joke :smash:

edit: 1338 got trolled too

[StreetlightRock]

your face is a joke :<

[McP3000]

yes, you are right

you are so wise

[StreetlightRock]

you can call me O wise one from now on

[1338 h4x0r]

Nigga don't call me "Plies" no more, call me "Rollacosta", cuz I sound like I be on a rollacosta, I be goin down (I be goin down!) Aeh-aehhh! (Aeh-aehhh!)

[Smokey D]

An American accent is a kind of accent

Accent is defined relative to other populations, so even Midwesterners, who typically have a fairly bland accent, still have an accent because of their distinctions from other groups

God that looked like a Smokey D post

Even I wouldn't post so pointless a response to so obvious trollbait.

[McP3000]

i wouldnt put it past you

[Already_Taken]

why are there so many choices of toothpaste? will my life even be long enough to try a tube of each one?

[Iskandar]

An American accent is a kind of accent

Accent is defined relative to other populations, so even Midwesterners, who typically have a fairly bland accent, still have an accent because of their distinctions from other groups

God that looked like a Smokey D postWhy is that a bad thing. I got where I am by imitating his style. He's the original.

I am merely the understudy.
I think if we agree, as we must, that Spain and Italy are western then Argentina and Chile qualify.Isn't it kind of really arbitrary to say certain countries in Latin America are Western and some aren't based entirely on how many white people live there.

[Mr. Ron]

you have some brown stuff on your nose alex



hehehehehehehe

[1338 h4x0r]

Isn't it kind of really arbitrary to say certain countries in Latin America are Western and some aren't based entirely on how many white people live there.

It's the cultural background u chode

[Iskandar]

you have some brown stuff on your nose alex



heheheheheheheYeah that's what I was trying to do. Wasn't it completely obvious that I wasn't entirely serious.

I think I've been at this board longer than him anyway.
It's the cultural background u chodeSo how come Argentina qualifies as Western and Peru doesn't despite both descending from the cultural tradition of the Spanish conquistadors (Peru just has a significant indigenous population). What's the cutoff for determining Western-ness. Is it completely arbitrary?

Also, stop calling people chodes, it's pointless.

[Mr. Ron]

you need to gain a sense of humor, Mr. :p

[Iskandar]

I thought you were the one who did right just now.

[1338 h4x0r]

u chode

[Iskandar]

U banned.

[mph4ever]

u dicktator

[sweboy]

lol he took the word dictator and put a k in there on purpose so that it becomes the word dick and makes it like a double insult

[Mr. Ron]

m-m-m-m-m-multi kill-ill-ill-ill

[Iskandar]

u dicktatorI told him to stop calling people chodes.

[mph4ever]

i don't even know what that means, sounds like something they would add to a coffee in starbucks or a new pair of denim jeans

[cmb1888]

@ Iskandar

You're scary like this!

(slowly backs away saying she was really wrong about Star Wars and it is, in fact, the greatest thing ever)

[cmb1888]

i don't even know what that means, sounds like something they would add to a coffee in starbucks or a new pair of denim jeans

I've had to google some of the insults - I've obviously had a very sheltered upbringing and I hope no-one looks at my browsing history

(similiarly I was arguing with a friend about whether animals could be gay and we had to agree to differ 'cos neither of us wanted to google it)

[Iskandar]

@ Iskandar

You're scary like this!

(slowly backs away saying she was really wrong about Star Wars and it is, in fact, the greatest thing ever)Baby, I didn't mean to scare you.

Unless that's what you wanted.
(similiarly I was arguing with a friend about whether animals could be gay and we had to agree to differ 'cos neither of us wanted to google it)They can. Look up the bonobo, the sluttiest of apes.

[mph4ever]

I've had to google some of the insults - I've obviously had a very sheltered upbringing and I hope no-one looks at my browsing history

(similiarly I was arguing with a friend about whether animals could be gay and we had to agree to differ 'cos neither of us wanted to google it)

my mam brought her bitch over today and it started trying to hump my bitch samoyed. thats fairly gay in a lezzer sort of way don't you think although maybe bitch canines need strap-ons to make a difference

[Already_Taken]

Baby, I didn't mean to scare you.

Unless that's what you wanted.


hey back off

[Mr. Ron]

I can't quit yyyewwwww

[Iskandar]

It took me a while to realize that was about dogs.

Some examples of animals that can be gay are lions, giraffes, um lots of apes I think, dolphins.

[mph4ever]

i just can't imagine dolphin cunnilingus

[Iskandar]

That's not the only homosexual act you know.

Though it's one of the most fun I imagine.

[cmb1888]

They can. Look up the bonobo, the sluttiest of apes.

I agree, it was my friend who seemed freaked out by it - the bonobos are always being mentioned in behavioural books - I was reading about them this morning!

(you can be scary sometimes, I certainly won't object........)

[mph4ever]

dolphin porn, brings a whole new meaning to flipper

[mph4ever]

I agree, it was my friend who seemed freaked out by it - the bonobos are always being mentioned in behavioural books - I was reading about them this morning!

(you can be scary sometimes, I certainly won't object........)

hes just a big persian pussy really

[Iskandar]

I agree, it was my friend who seemed freaked out by it - the bonobos are always being mentioned in behavioural books - I was reading about them this morning!Remind her that humans are animals and it's not uncommon for them to engage in homosexual behaviour.
(you can be scary sometimes, I certainly won't object........)That's my girl.

[Mr. Ron]

alex is a big teddy bear

[cmb1888]

Remind her that humans are animals and it's not uncommon for them to engage in homosexual behaviour.


She's pretty fundmentalist in her religious views, so I think that's the real issue. She's a great friend but every so often you run-bang!-into her religious views.

[sweboy]

Show her this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzbNkyXO50

[Iskandar]

alex is a big teddy bearA ferocious bear, who can kill with a single swipe.

(No I really am.)

[Mr. Ron]

alex u have a nose bleed LOL

http://tonova.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/not_a_teddy_bear.jpg

[RetiredAt22]

alex u have a nose bleed LOL

http://tonova.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/not_a_teddy_bear.jpg

Holy ****, biggest bear ever.

[McP3000]

A ferocious bear, who can kill with a single swipe.

(No I really am.)
we hunt bears were i come from

[Iskandar]

Really? Where I come from, bears are more likely to hunt you.

[Smokey D]

So how come Argentina qualifies as Western and Peru doesn't despite both descending from the cultural tradition of the Spanish conquistadors (Peru just has a significant indigenous population). What's the cutoff for determining Western-ness. Is it completely arbitrary?

Argentina is a lot more integrated into the western tradition than Peru. Peru was always just a resource mine for the Spanish Crown. Incorporation into the Spanish and western traditions was never more than a side project.

PS Argentina isn't descended from Conquistadores.

[Mr. Ron]

sup clone alexchris

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBCgZ1-ZZ-0

pretend I am the woman and you are the man

this is what your words feel like to me. Fists :(

[Mr. Ron]

I suppose I should catch up with everyone else and buy an MP3 player one of these days.

[Dave de Sylvia]

i don't think that would qualify as catching up

more like entering the same century with a confused expression on your face

[Mr. Ron]

The only time I really listen to music is when I'm working at my comp, posting here or in my car. I just never really felt the need to buy one yet.

[Dave de Sylvia]

all i have is a $15 repair-job my girlfriend bought me off buy.com

i've always loved picking out cds to bring with me when i go out on the bus, but since i finished college it's not really practical, so i had to make the switch

[Angmar]

I'd hit it.

[Pop music sucks]

alex u have a nose bleed LOL

http://tonova.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/not_a_teddy_bear.jpgThat is a Kodiak Brown Bear, the largest of the subspecies of Brown Bear. Not surprising, they live on the islands of Kodiak in Alaska. Those things can get to beastly proportions.

:cool:

[Pop music sucks]

more like

chronicle of ridic, amirite?

[Smokey D]

Also, he's sitting at the arse end of it, so perspective makes it look bigger.