PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Reaganista]

yeh

[Route_1]

i'm dying

[Reaganista]

death is gonna catch up wit all 1 day

[Route_1]

not if i have some fresh pumas to run in

[Iskandar]

Hipster.

[Route_1]

For the record, I have never owned a pair of pumas. i only wear boots. ok!

[Reaganista]

mayb

[Der Übermensch]

Ok, Chess Tournament is ON! As I sad, its on chess.com, so to join, you must make an account there.
From there, contact me, http://www.chess.com/echess/profile/derUbermensch, and I will invite you to the event (its invite only). It will start once everyone has joined (probably tomorrow I'm guessing).

[Route_1]

I need to re-learn chess. I used to play it with my sister all the time

[Reaganista]

i can beat the chess thing on my iphone sometims

[Iskandar]

I need to re-learn chess. I used to play it with my sister all the timeIt's probably the most elite board game.

I like playing white and when I do I almost always win.

[Specialsauce]

For the record, I have never owned a pair of pumas. i only wear boots. ok!

It's only okay depending on what kind of boots your wearing. Still, you and me, we're better than all of the non-booted faggots out their.
Hunter boots ftw

[spitfirejunky]

first you're an idiot
2nd yes ppl r meant to live with other ppl and urbanization is the wave of the future it's far more efficient than sprawl
3rd u r the useless 1 u want to fish crabs or whatever the **** because u think it's cool ppl in new york run the world

Indeed we do.

[Der Übermensch]

I need to re-learn chess. I used to play it with my sister all the time

Well this is a great way to start!

[Iskandar]

Chess is quite simple to learn, Ron. You'll pick it up fast.

I have taught people how to play quickly enough to play a game immediately after. They were terrible of course, but they understood why they were.

[Der Übermensch]

u gonna participate dropper?

[1338 h4x0r]

It's only okay depending on what kind of boots your wearing. Still, you and me, we're better than all of the non-booted faggots out their.
Hunter boots ftw

Steel-toed waterproof work boots ftw. They chafed like hell initially though

[Specialsauce]

Steel-toed waterproof work boots ftw. They chafed like hell initially though
Our resident Absolutist is back!
Are you a metalhead? those are metalhead boots.

[1338 h4x0r]

I am no longer a metalhead: martial industrial and Chinese classical music receive the lion's share of my heils these days

[Specialsauce]

I am no longer a metalhead: martial industrial and Chinese classical music receive the lion's share of my heils these days

That's actually pretty cool. Can you point me to one of these 'martial industrial' artists?

[Iskandar]

Martial industrial shares a similar aesthetic if not similar structure to metal.

Most people couldn't tell the difference between it and industrial metal.

[Specialsauce]

I thought you were gone, Iskandar. are you invisible?

[Iskandar]

Yes, I always browse in invisible mode. I'm stealthy like that.

[1338 h4x0r]

That's actually pretty cool. Can you point me to one of these 'martial industrial' artists?

Arditi, Triarii and Sophia are the most wurthy of heiling

Martial industrial shares a similar aesthetic if not similar structure to metal.

Most people couldn't tell the difference between it and industrial metal.

Metal is more often about rebellion against society; martial industrial is more often about rigid conformity to a military society

As such: martial industrial does not use thrashing electric guitars, but neoclassical instrumentation, choral voices, drum cadences, Hitler samples, and so on

[Specialsauce]

Cool stuff. I'd definately be listening to this as I prepare for a riot.

I really hope widespread rioting comes soon. I've been itching for some good old-fashioned black-bloccing.

[1338 h4x0r]

I am itching for some good old-fashioned mudstomping

The 1488 Mudstompers are well prepared for battle

[Smokey D]

martial industrial is more often about rigid conformity to a military society

Sounds crap.

[1338 h4x0r]

Judge for urself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gig_QmKtHn0&fmt=18

(I am odenskrigare on that page)

[Iskandar]

Metal is more often about rebellion against society; martial industrial is more often about rigid conformity to a military societyFunny that metal is pretty damned conformist at times.
As such: martial industrial does not use thrashing electric guitars, but neoclassical instrumentation, choral voices, drum cadences, Hitler samples, and so onSo do some forms of metal.
I really hope widespread rioting comes soon. I've been itching for some good old-fashioned black-bloccing.That stuff freaks me out.

Anarchists pride themselves on being individualists, but when they engage in these mass organizations they look every bit as rigid and disciplined as neo-Nazis. Ironic and slightly disturbing.

[Specialsauce]

Yeah, the message for the most part, is crap. Fascist junk. But it's pretty righteous mood music.

I'm not against military society, but the military society I wanna live is in more tribal in structure than nationalistic.
The battle scene in Dances with Wolves was badass, definately a cool reality to live.

[1338 h4x0r]

Just like how Hitler is good for selling makeup in South Korea. People don't get martial industrial: it's more about evoking feelings than heartfelt beliefs. Most of its fans are probably trolls.

So do some forms of metal.

But not so much

That's why I stopped listening to metal

[Specialsauce]

Anarchists pride themselves on being individualists, but when they engage in these mass organizations they look every bit as rigid and disciplined as neo-Nazis. Ironic and slightly disturbing.

1. Not all anarchists are individualist (I am, however)
2. Black blocs don't look, and aren't rigid or disciplined at all. What?

[Iskandar]

I don't like militarism at all.

Militaries should not have any more power than they need to.
Black blocs don't look, and aren't rigid or disciplined at all. What?Er, isn't a black bloc when a bunch of anarchists all dress the same (in black) and group together for the purpose of looking really intimidating and disrupting everything.

[1338 h4x0r]

I don't like militarism at all.

Militaries should not have any more power than they need to.

There is nothing wrong with the state of Israel that could not be fixed by the Roman Legion

:angry:/ :angry:/ :angry:/ :angry:/

[Iskandar]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Bbrostock.jpg

These people could just as easily be neo-Nazis. Especially when they have gas masks and carry truncheons. They look harsh and militaristic.

Even the banners they carry look like neo-Nazi propaganda, especially when they use the colours black and red.

[Specialsauce]

Just like how Hitler is good for selling makeup in South Korea. People don't get martial industrial: it's more about evoking feelings than heartfelt beliefs. Most of its fans are probably trolls

And the bands you posted are good at evoking feelings with the music. But I still prefer Sonic Youth for that purpose.

Er, isn't a black bloc when a bunch of anarchists all dress the same (in black) and group together for the purpose of looking really intimidating and disrupting everything.
Yes, and It it's rarely rank-and-file. If ever.

[Iskandar]

Does that matter? They're trying to conform in dress and actions in a way which eliminates their individuality. They look exactly the far right activists who are their bitter foes.

Not to imply all anarchists do stuff like this, but some of the crazier ones certainly do.

[1338 h4x0r]

http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/27500/27577/roman_eagle_27577_md.gif

:angry:/

[Specialsauce]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Bbrostock.jpg

These people could just as easily be neo-Nazis.

Or communists, or aggrivated members of the right-wing, or even anarchists.

[1338 h4x0r]

Sieg!

[Iskandar]

Or communists, or aggrivated members of the right-wing, or even anarchists.Yeah, which demonstrates my point that fringe ideologies come to resemble each other as they get further out there in their ideas.

Most anarchists are peaceful, but some style themselves revolutionaries and are willing to use violence to get their way. These people are nuts.

[Smokey D]

Sounds dumb.

[Iskandar]

That's because it is dumb.

[Specialsauce]

Yeah, which demonstrates my point that fringe ideologies come to resemble each other as they get further out there in their ideas.

Most anarchists are peaceful, but some style themselves revolutionaries and are willing to use violence to get their way. These people are nuts.

Partially agreed. I'm not super-militant, but I would like to participate in one of those riots, more for fun than ideology. But I do hate 'the system'.

[Iskandar]

Demonstrations are different from riots. A riot is a demo turned bad. It would probably be more dangerous than fun. People die in these things.

[1338 h4x0r]

SA, SS, HEIL!

HEIL!

Die große Zeit ist jetzt angebrochen: Deutschland ist nun erwacht! Die Macht haben wir in Deutschland gewonnen, nun gilt es, das deutsche Volk zu gewinnen.

[Specialsauce]

Demonstrations are different from riots. A riot is a demo turned bad. It would probably be more dangerous than fun. People die in these things.

Thre are some causes I am willing to die for, but not just general 'anarchy', unless there's actually a high chance of it happening.

[Specialsauce]

SA, SS, HEIL!

HEIL!

Die große Zeit ist jetzt angebrochen: Deutschland ist nun erwacht! Die Macht haben wir in Deutschland gewonnen, nun gilt es, das deutsche Volk zu gewinnen.

Nazi kreut.

[Iskandar]

Hakenkreuz.
Thre are some causes I am willing to die for, but not just general 'anarchy', unless there's actually a high chance of it happening.Fat chance.

I am willing to die for some stuff too probably but the chances of my having to do so are slim. I don't think about it often.

[Specialsauce]

Hakenkreuz.
Fat chance.

I know. It will probably never happen through sudden insurrection. Maybe in 200 years through the gradual stepping-down of government power. Maybe.

[Iskandar]

The second thing is far more likely.

[1338 h4x0r]

http://api.ning.com/files/pYYw5J0J5j5KzEBS4GZSxadhMzuppi72tHt7AScgEPo-KRFSlrX9dDUsqrvv*ndsbsGm0kZ2dJfbzK4C32KMNqyK2KDW8n 2*/phpwel4pr_c2PM.jpg?width=183&height=183&crop=1%3A1

Would you rate me as very handsome or extremely handsome?

[Iskandar]

An unexpected error occurred

I should have expected something of the sort because the hosting company looks Chinese and those people fail at websites.

[Specialsauce]

http://api.ning.com/files/pYYw5J0J5j5KzEBS4GZSxadhMzuppi72tHt7AScgEPo-KRFSlrX9dDUsqrvv*ndsbsGm0kZ2dJfbzK4C32KMNqyK2KDW8n 2*/phpwel4pr_c2PM.jpg?width=183&height=183&crop=1%3A1

Would you rate me as very handsome or extremely handsome?

I would give you my honest opinion if i could see you. But I'm a heterosexual man, so I'm not the best judge and my oppinion probably won't matter very much.

[1338 h4x0r]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2pzwgfk.jpg

[Smokey D]

You look like you just killed some guy.

[Iskandar]

That's what I said.

Alex says:
looks like a serial killer on trial
he is unrepentant

[1338 h4x0r]

If I looked like I just killed some guy, my eyes would be kind of bugged out and I'd have the victim's fresh blood around my mouth

[Specialsauce]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2pzwgfk.jpg

A lot of my female friends are really into your 'look'.

For my opinion.... well, pretty much what Iskandar said.

[Smokey D]

If I looked like I just killed some guy, my eyes would be kind of bugged out and I'd have the victim's fresh blood around my mouthyeah that's what we're saying.

[McP3000]

i need to go get some more coca-cola

[Iskandar]

I need to get some sleep.

[Specialsauce]

I need to get some sleep.

Sweet dreams. It's been fun debating you.

[Iskandar]

Aw, after hours and hours of this crap I'll probably dream about homesteading and the court appeals process.

Good night cruel world.

[1338 h4x0r]

yeah that's what we're saying.

My eyes are not bugged out

I do not have blood around my mouth

[Smokey D]

I calls it like I sees it.

[1338 h4x0r]

I usually look like that actually

Couldn't you just be a little more charitable and call me "phlegmatic on the outside, choleric on the inside"?

[Specialsauce]

I usually look like that actually

Couldn't you just be a little more charitable and call me "phlegmatic on the outside, choleric on the inside"?

Is this a reference to that old Theory of Humours thing?

[1338 h4x0r]

Heil

What it means is that I am apparently still and emotionless on the outside, asshole on the inside

[Specialsauce]

That theory is pretty cool, actually.
What's the 1488 mudstomping crew?
Are you a neo-Nazi?

[1338 h4x0r]

No

I am a troll

I am a troll who attends one of the most ethnically diverse university campi in the USA, and gets a mad veiny boner from it every day

This is why I have to wear a wool coat all the time ...... may wearing hose w/out skirt never go out of fashion

[sweboy]

campi

[Specialsauce]

I need more phlegm

With a touch of black bile

[1338 h4x0r]

campi

Salve Imperator

Salve correct nominative plurals

Saying "campuses" is for decadent Jews

[sweboy]

scampi

[1338 h4x0r]

puellus Sueciae

h4x0rus MCCCXXXVIII Optimus Maximus

[1338 h4x0r]

h4x0rus MCCCXXXVIII will be my next alt

[Route_1]

WE ARE THE SUN



z

[1338 h4x0r]

get on AIM

[Route_1]

i have to go to class now, I'll be back in about an hour and a half

[1338 h4x0r]

**** I have a test

[Iskandar]

Salve Imperator

Salve correct nominative plurals

Saying "campuses" is for decadent JewsSalve us from your pointless dead language.

[mph4ever]

hahaha

[Iskandar]

No seriously, I thought we stopped caring about Latin about a century ago because it's totally useless and little more than a marker of classism and snobbery. Ie. I'm white and educated.

For that reason I kind of hate the field of "Classics." They could at least call it "Greco-Roman Antiquities" or something. Why imply these are the only classics that matter.

[Specialsauce]

Haxor is insane, without a doubt.

[Route_1]

No seriously, I thought we stopped caring about Latin about a century ago because it's totally useless and little more than a marker of classism and snobbery. Ie. I'm white and educated.

For that reason I kind of hate the field of "Classics." They could at least call it "Greco-Roman Antiquities" or something. Why imply these are the only classics that matter.

they're the most important imo.

[Iskandar]

In our culture. But we study lots of cultures at universities.

[Pop music sucks]

No seriously, I thought we stopped caring about Latin about a century ago because it's totally useless and little more than a marker of classism and snobbery. Ie. I'm white and educated.

For that reason I kind of hate the field of "Classics." They could at least call it "Greco-Roman Antiquities" or something. Why imply these are the only classics that matter.Considering the factors that the West is heavily Eurocentric and universities propagated throughout Europe; it's unsurprising it would limit Classics to Europe and Ancient Rome.

The influence upon the world is mostly coerced through Western civilization, even though higher education came from the East.

[Iskandar]

Yeah I know. I'm just saying we don't need to continue that way of thinking.

If we're going to have a field called something as broad as Classics, it should include classics from every part of the world. Limiting it to Greco-Roman works doesn't make sense. That should be a separate discipline.

[Route_1]

Greco-Roman philosophy and whatnot is closer to what our culture is based on though, so I don't see any harm in concentrating on it a little more.

[Iskandar]

Well traditionally it was all we focussed on, at least when studying the ancient world. This is changing though. There are lots of great works from China, India, Arabia etc. that we wouldn't be familiar with in the past.

[Pop music sucks]

Yeah I know. I'm just saying we don't need to continue that way of thinking.

If we're going to have a field called something as broad as Classics, it should include classics from every part of the world. Limiting it to Greco-Roman works doesn't make sense. That should be a separate discipline.It only continues because apathy is far better than changing anything at the moment. The potable water drought, the food famine, burdgeoning geriatric population explosion, environmental concerns, diminishing farmlands. All of that will not effectively change because apathy is rampant across the government leaders of the world. The people can still change things, but that is up to each individual.

It should. There's perspective granted through learning about other cultures. But things will be Eurocentric until the Singularity occurs, if it does. The rise of a connected 'Net, remarkable advances in computer science, and advancement of technology would hopefully tear down the limitation of clinging to the tunnel vision apparent in every culture.

[beso negro]

anarchy is not to blame for marine piracy in somalia

[Specialsauce]

anarchy is not to blame for marine piracy in somalia

Yeah!

[Iskandar]

anarchy is not to blame for marine piracy in somaliaYeah it's just the lack of a functioning government.

Canada has a functioning government. No piracy here.
Somalia does not. Lots of piracy there.

[Smokey D]

No seriously, I thought we stopped caring about Latin about a century ago because it's totally useless and little more than a marker of classism and snobbery. Ie. I'm white and educated.

For that reason I kind of hate the field of "Classics." They could at least call it "Greco-Roman Antiquities" or something. Why imply these are the only classics that matter.

It's called classics because it is a classical education, not because they are the only classics ever written.

[Iskandar]

I didn't say that was why. I said that's what it implies.

[Smokey D]

There's no need to change its name when anyone who's studied it know what it means.

[Iskandar]

Anyone who's studied it knows it's Greco-Roman civilization.

Why don't we call it something that reflects that.

[Smokey D]

Because it's a classical education.

And the name classics does reflect Greco-Roman.

[Mister_Che]

Mods fighting?

Is this the end of the Sputnik forums? :(:(

[ridethelib]

Those Somalians are ****in shi' up and I think it's awesome personally.

[Iskandar]

Because it's a classical education.

And the name classics does reflect Greco-Roman.Strictly speaking a classical education involves stuff like swimming and performing gymnastics in the nude so no.

It refers to the works people study as being classics. Ie. classics of Western civilization. Ie. not classics of anyone else's civilizaiton.

[Smokey D]

It refers to the works people study as being classics. Ie. classics of Western civilization. Ie. not classics of anyone else's civilizaiton.

There's lots of courses in non-Western classics.

Usually they're called things like CHIN 101 Studies in the Chinese Classics or whatever.

[Iskandar]

Yeah which is exactly my point. Why do we refer to everyone else's classics by name but ours are just Classics. It wouldn't hurt to call them Greco-Roman Classics or even Western Classics.

It makes about as much sense as calling French literature by the name of "Literature."

[Reaganista]

they're called classics because they're from from classical antiquity
if someone were to call some ancient chinese literature 'chinese classics' they'd be doing it as a means of relating it to the classics.
as in they think it's the nearest equivalent in chinese culture to the classics

or they'd be using a completely different usage of the word

[Iskandar]

Only white people have classics.

[mph4ever]

Yeah which is exactly my point. Why do we refer to everyone else's classics by name but ours are just Classics. It wouldn't hurt to call them Greco-Roman Classics or even Western Classics.

It makes about as much sense as calling French literature by the name of "Literature."

what do you mean by ours?

Only white people have classics.

oh, i see. define white

[Iskandar]

Western. European.

Not places Europeans colonized and settled in. That came after the classical era.

[Reaganista]

Only white people have classics.
the classics come from classical antiquity

[Iskandar]

Nobody else existed at that time and they certainly weren't writing classics of their own.

[mph4ever]

i'm confuzzled. like i know classics refers to greek/roman literature and schools but i didn't realise they were all white. and i thought they were all more med based than western european.

western? do you mean west of constantinople?

[Reaganista]

Nobody else existed at that time and they certainly weren't writing classics of their own.

classical antiquity is a time and a place

[Iskandar]

i'm confuzzled. like i know classics refers to greek/roman literature and schools but i didn't realise they were all white. and i thought they were all more med based than western european.They were from the Mediterranean. They were still European.

Italy and Greece are European, nobody disputes that. Also nobody disputes they're white. Maybe in like 1850 if we were trying to keep I-talian immigrants out or something.
western? do you mean west of constantinople?That's what Europe is. East of Turkey is like the Caucasus and the Fertile Crescent and stuff.
classical antiquity is a time and a placeYeah, ancient Rome and Greece.

[Reaganista]

ok if you know that why arent you surprised that other people dont count

[Iskandar]

Um, you think Greece counts.

Also you think that was a grammatical sentence.

[Reaganista]

you just said greece counts

[McP3000]

greek bounce

[Iskandar]

No I didn't why would I say something as silly as that. Greece hasn't counted for at least a couple of millennia.

[Reaganista]

Yeah, ancient Rome and Greece.Yeah, ancient Rome and Greece.

[Iskandar]

That's what we refer to when we say Classics. That's dumb because Rome and Greece weren't the only civilizations in antiquity and they certainly weren't the only ones who ever wrote anything of consequence.

[Reaganista]

you're the one who confined antiquity to rome and greece

[Iskandar]

No, Classicists did.

[Reaganista]

you just said
Yeah, ancient Rome and Greece.

[McP3000]

tway you rock my world

[Route_1]

whata' packa nerds

[Iskandar]

No, I said that's what Classicists consider to be antiquity.

Now stop trolling.

[McP3000]

iskandar can i troll if i do my homework first?

[beso negro]

this is why i love tway

[Route_1]

ugh I have so much work to do but procrastination levels are high

[Iskandar]

iskandar can i troll if i do my homework first?Yes.
this is why i love twayBecause he's annoying.

[beso negro]

iskandar i don't think that ban was necessary

[Iskandar]

I didn't ban him for being annoying, I banned him for spamming another thread.

[Smokey D]

Hahah. He's right though. Classical antiquity refers specifically to ancient Greece and Rome, and the Classics are called Classics because they come from classical antiquity. No other set of works are classics in the sense meant when it's used with a capital C. They might be the foundational literature of a culture and be the equivalent to the Classics, but they are not Classics because they don't come from classical antiquity.

That's what we refer to when we say Classics. That's dumb because Rome and Greece weren't the only civilizations in antiquity and they certainly weren't the only ones who ever wrote anything of consequence.

But they're the only civilizations of classical antiquity.

[Route_1]

free tway 2009

[Iskandar]

Hahah. He's right though. Classical antiquity refers specifically to ancient Greece and Rome, and the Classics are called Classics because they come from classical antiquity. No other set of works are classics in the sense meant when it's used with a capital C. They might be the foundational literature of a culture and be the equivalent to the Classics, but they are not Classics because they don't come from classical antiquity.



But they're the only civilizations of classical antiquity.Our definition of classical antiquity is stupid because there were other civilizations around at the time, some pre-dating Greece and Rome.

They just happen to be considered Classics with a capital C because they were influential to us. Well and on other people but so were Arabs or whatever.

I'm not arguing about how the terminology is used, I'm arguing it's stupid.

[Smokey D]

Our definition of classical antiquity is stupid because there were other civilizations around at the time, some pre-dating Greece and Rome.

No. By definition classical antiquity means Greece and Rome in the same way that Indian antiquity refers to civilizations in ancient India.


They just happen to be considered Classics with a capital C because they were influential to us. Well and on other people but so were Arabs or whatever.

Yeah, and Arab antiquity is not classic antiquity so we wouldn't call Arab literature part of the Classics.

[Iskandar]

Only because our definition of classical antiquity is stupid and needs to be broadened if the field is going to continue to have any relevance.

Your argument seems to be "that's what antiquity is because that's what we say it is."

[Smokey D]

Only because our definition of classical antiquity is stupid and needs to be broadened if the field is going to continue to have any relevance.


The relevance of Classics is not dependent on how broad its scope is, just as English history/literature doesn't need to look at Tibet in order to be relevant.


Your argument seems to be "that's what antiquity is because that's what we say it is."

No, that's what classical antiquity is, and it is because we say it is.

Problem is you've confused classical for ancient.

[Iskandar]

The relevance of Classics is not dependent on how broad its scope is, just as English history/literature doesn't need to look at Tibet in order to be relevant.English literature is very relevant because the English language is probably more widely spoken than any in history and definitely has the most books printed in it.

Ancient Greece and Rome are not relevant because they're dead civilizations and nobody cares about Greek and Latin any more. Learning classics in this day is undoubtedly interesting but indubitably useless, equivalent to studying Chinese history or something.

That's what I mean when I say we need to broaden the scope of what falls under Classics if it will continue to have relevance. Ie. embracing a worldwide view.
No, that's what classical antiquity is, and it is because we say it is.

Problem is you've confused classical for ancient.Western classical antiquity, that is.

The Arab, Chinese and Indian civilizations all had classical periods too as did lots of others. Why do we treat them all separately. We speak of the field of History even though Persian military history and Western European political history have nothing in common.

[Smokey D]

English literature is very relevant because the English language is probably more widely spoken than any in history and definitely has the most books printed in it.

Ancient Greece and Rome are not relevant because they're dead civilizations and nobody cares about Greek and Latin any more. Learning classics in this day is undoubtedly interesting but indubitably useless, equivalent to studying Chinese history or something.


Literature in general is only valuable because it's interesting, so you're being inconsistent.

Moreover, knowledge is it's own reward.



That's what I mean when I say we need to broaden the scope of what falls under Classics if it will continue to have relevance. Ie. embracing a worldwide view.

If, as according to you, ancient things are useless then incorporating other ancient texts into the study of Classics will not make it relevant.


Western classical antiquity, that is.

No, classical antiquity is a time and a place. It refers to the ancient world of Greece and Rome. If you're talking about ancient China or India, you're not talking about classical antiquity.


The Arab, Chinese and Indian civilizations all had classical periods too as did lots of others. Why do we treat them all separately. We speak of the field of History even though Persian military history and Western European political history have nothing in common.

We only call them classic periods because we analogize them with out classic period. They aren't classical in the true sense, only in a subsidiary sense.

But that's not to say that they weren't as (un)important to their respective civilizations as classical antiquity was to ours.

[Mr. Ron]

oh wow, one of you just needs to admit you're wrong or something.

[Smokey D]

Ron, that's not how this place works.

[Mr. Ron]

You're right :(

[spitfirejunky]

Forum rule #27.

[Smokey D]

This is a pretty dumb argument. I'm only doing it to procrastinate rather than write my essay. Damn essay.

[Mr. Ron]

Essays and research papers have been the very scourge of my life for the past month. I just finished a 25 pager. :/

[Smokey D]

We don't do essays by pages but 25 pages sounds like a lot. Roughly speaking how many words?

[Mr. Ron]

We don't do essays by pages but 25 pages sounds like a lot. Roughly speaking how many words?
Well, its really 19 pages (coming out at about 5,800 words) with 6 pages of diagrams and pictures with some commentary.

[Smokey D]

Ahh. 5800 words is quite a lot. I rarely have to write more than 4K.

[Mr. Ron]

It only took me about 2 weeks to complete. I worked on a few other things too, I basically had no social life and had one breakdown, so its not so bad. @_@

[ridethelib]

you had a breakdown?

[Mr. Ron]

Ever have so much work at once thats due very soon and just get overwhelmed? Thats what happens to me. I just don't work well under pressure when it comes to writing, and I get panic-y and worry about it more than I should.

I still have 2 major papers to write that are due in 2 weeks. I basically shut down emotionally and got sort of depressed. There were personal things involved too so, yeah.


I'm ok now though so no jumping off the campus Library yet! :D

[ridethelib]

Ron don't say those kinds of things :(

Also I am kind of the opposite, I write the best under pressure I believe.

[Smokey D]

I write well under pressure unless the concept is complex and I can't get my head around it.

Most of the time, writing essays for history and stuff comes relatively easy but this essay I'm currently working on is a slut and I'm not enjoying myself.

I kinda got down when I couldn't think of a research question for another class and my supervisor was busting my balls as well but now I just pretend like I'm not doing that paper and it's gravy. The mid-semester break is going to suck though. Stupid full year paper.

[Smokey D]

So I accidently saved over the essay which I was writing on, and pretty much destroyed it.

[Futue te Ipsum]

I had to do 20,000 for my dissertation. It took the best part of 6 months.

[die of starvation]

the dropper is always banning me for no good reason i think he has a crush on me

Ever have so much work at once thats due very soon and just get overwhelmed? Thats what happens to me. I just don't work well under pressure when it comes to writing, and I get panic-y and worry about it more than I should.

I still have 2 major papers to write that are due in 2 weeks. I basically shut down emotionally and got sort of depressed. There were personal things involved too so, yeah.


I'm ok now though so no jumping off the campus Library yet! :D
yeh i get depressed before i do any kind of work and then i do it at the last possible time

[beso negro]

that's why i love engineering i never have to write essays.

but i take that back i do have to write a 7 page paper on variance reduction techniques for my simulation class.

[cobert]

So I accidently saved over the essay which I was writing on, and pretty much destroyed it.

I actually cringed after reading this.

I love writing. I always get assigned short 5-6 page papers but I feel like I could write a whole book on some of the subjects (especially those concerning history and sociology), and I think one day I might.

When I become a history teacher, I think I'll assign a lot of short essays. Nothing too big, just maybe 3 pages or so every 2 weeks. Mostly because bad writing angers me, and I when I have to revise somebodies paper for my English class I wonder how often they had to write in high school. I only had to write one big paper, but maybe because I read a lot I understand what sounds good and what doesn't, so I'm better at structure and style. I don't know.

No, classical antiquity is a time and a place. It refers to the ancient world of Greece and Rome.

And this is correct. I understand that calling only Western works 'classical' is quite Eurocentric, but that's just the phrase we give them.

[Mr. Ron]

the problem i have with essays is that they're sort of useless.

[die of starvation]

i dont think i have a saved version of my snr thesis anymore wtf wat happened

[1338 h4x0r]

Literature in general is only valuable because it's interesting, so you're being inconsistent.

Moreover, knowledge is it's own reward.

A-POS-TRO-PHEEEEEEE

i

[Iskandar]

And this is correct. I understand that calling only Western works 'classical' is quite Eurocentric, but that's just the phrase we give them.Thank you. Let's just leave it at that.
So I accidently saved over the essay which I was writing on, and pretty much destroyed it.I feel your pain. I did that once with a final essay. Luckily they let me do it over.

Since then I've taken to saving everything in two locations.

[1338 h4x0r]

I dreamed about H.R. Giger's Alien again last night

[SkaRobotArmy]

if an air cylinder has a 2'' bore and a rod diameter of 5/8'' and is operating at 1000 psi, what forces will be experienced at the extend stroke? and at the retract stroke?

please help.

[1338 h4x0r]

penis

(sry, not a mechanical engineer ...... you'd be better off asking at a place like physics forum)

[Smokey D]

So I managed to recover some of it. But it means all the work I did yesterday has disappeared.

[Iskandar]

Don't word processors have automatic recovery systems for if you accidentally delete stuff.

But I guess human error doesn't account for saving directly over it.

[Smokey D]

Yeah it would have been alright if I delete it but coz I saved over it I could only recover a presaved version.

[Iskandar]

How much did you lose anyway.

[Smokey D]

Originally I lost like 2500 words.

Now I've only lost like 500 words, but a whole lot of editing as well.

[Mr. Ron]

Man, CNN has been very irresponsible on covering these tea parties. i was watching some chick interviewing a guy on why he was there and he was making a good point when out of nowhere she cut him off and went on a tirade that the people there were all anti-government and other BS.

[DJ Karl Marx]

in oregon, teaparty means everyone getting together to smoke some bowls!

[Mr. Ron]

OH WOW REALLY HOW STRANGE!



lol!

[Iskandar]

What tea parties. Huh.

in oregon, teaparty means everyone getting together to smoke some bowls!Why don't you post under your main.

For a second I feared Iscariot was back so I ran an IP check and was surprised to discover it was actually you.

[Mr. Ron]

Grassroots tea parties are springing up all over America to protest the stimulus plan Obama passed. Over 700 of them took place all over the country today in Every state, drawing thousands to each one. There was one in Albany this afternoon that had about 900 people at it. They're meant to symbolize the colonist's protest against the British taxes etc etc

[Iskandar]

I just read the CBC article. It looks kind of dumb really. The sort of thing neckbearded Internet denizens would attend.

While America is holding tax protests, all Canada does is release this: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/04/14/tax-study.html?ref=rss

Lol. I think that says a lot about the difference between our countries.

[Mr. Ron]

I just read the CBC article. It looks kind of dumb really. The sort of thing neckbearded Internet denizens would attend.

While America is holding tax protests, all Canada does is release this: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/04/14/tax-study.html?ref=rss

Lol. I think that says a lot about the difference between our countries.
See, thats the sort of attitude that is silly. Its just people coming out to say "no" to some of the biggest spending to ever take place in our country's history which will just put us further into debt and bailing out companies that should have just went under.

[Iskandar]

Letting them go under would be catastrophic though. It was the lesser evil.

There was bound to be a backlash against the stimulus plan. I don't like it myself. I just think the alternative would be much worse.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Obama and most Democrats didn't feel that way.

[Specialsauce]

Letting them go under would be catastrophic though. It was the lesser evil.

:eek:




































Tell me, what exactly would this 'catastrophe' have looked like?

[Smokey D]

Grassroots tea parties are springing up all over America to protest the stimulus plan Obama passed. Over 700 of them took place all over the country today in Every state, drawing thousands to each one. There was one in Albany this afternoon that had about 900 people at it. They're meant to symbolize the colonist's protest against the British taxes etc etc

I saw something about that.

Sounded dumb.



Tell me, what exactly would this 'catastrophe' have looked like?

Well if all banking sector had collapsed and several trillion dollars had been wiped out, I imagine it would have been fairly bad.

[Mr. Ron]

Why is it dumb?

[Smokey D]

Probably because it was on Fox and they were making what could have been a reasonable point into a propaganda piece.

But also because they were saying the stimulus package shouldn't have been passed, which is dumb.

Also, the whole 'oh no the government is oppressing me with taxes thing' they were trying to get at by referencing the Tea Party was pretty asinine. Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation not taxation in general.

[die of starvation]

it's dumb because they want flat taxes

[Mr. Ron]

Probably because it was on Fox and they were making what could have been a reasonable point into a propaganda piece.

But also because they were saying the stimulus package shouldn't have been passed, which is dumb.

Also, the whole 'oh no the government is oppressing me with taxes thing' they were trying to get at by referencing the Tea Party was pretty asinine. Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation not taxation in general.
FOX doesn't represent everyone


They're not saying the stimulus package shouldn't have been passed, its just the amount of money that is going to be spent.

[Der Übermensch]

Anyone else want in on the Chess tournament? Dropper!?!?

Cause I'm gonna start it quite soon.

[Specialsauce]

Well if all banking sector had collapsed and several trillion dollars had been wiped out, I imagine it would have been fairly bad.
Not every bank ****ed themselves up. Try again.

[Smokey D]

FOX doesn't represent everyone

No, I said it was probably FOX which made it sound dumb.

But I just now read some articles on it and I stand by my position.


They're not saying the stimulus package shouldn't have been passed, its just the amount of money that is going to be spent.

A little from column A and a little from column B.

Not every bank ****ed themselves up. Try again.

Okay but if the ones that did disappeared, then the trillions of dollars they possessed would disappear from the financial markets and put every other market actor under pressure, and probably cause some of those to collapse etc etc. I trust you saw what happened when just one investment bank (Bear Stearns) collapsed.

[beso negro]

everyone here sign up for the mx chess tourney now

[Mr. Ron]

No, I said it was probably FOX which made it sound dumb.

But I just now read some articles on it and I stand by my position.



A little from column A and a little from column B.
So say nothing while we plunge further and further into generational debt? Awesome.

[die of starvation]

They're not saying the stimulus package shouldn't have been passed, its just the amount of money that is going to be spent.
actually what they are saying is we should have flat taxes

[Specialsauce]

it's dumb because they want flat taxes

Flat taxes are 10x better than what we have now.
Also, the whole 'oh no the government is oppressing me with taxes thing' they were trying to get at by referencing the Tea Party was pretty asinine. Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation not taxation in general.
Taxation with representation still sucks.

[Mr. Ron]

actually what they are saying is we should have flat taxes
thats not everyone, though. Flat taxes are stupid.

[beso negro]

no one's even paying attention to us Der Übermensch what's the use

[Smokey D]

So say nothing while we plunge further and further into generational debt? Awesome.

The implication is that passing a (much) smaller stimulus plan or not passing one at all would have been a better idea. That's pretty stupid.

Also, things have changed.

Also, you'd be deeper into generational debt if your country went into a depression caused by the loss of trillions of dollars from financial markets.

[Angmar]

I'm on the site idk what to do though.

[die of starvation]

thats not everyone, though. Flat taxes are stupid.
of course it's not everyone it's the protesters listen to what they say
"flat taxes" said the protesters

[Der Übermensch]

everyone here sign up for the mx chess tourney now

Damn straight!

[Mr. Ron]

The implication is that passing a (much) smaller stimulus plan or not passing one at all would have been a better idea. That's pretty stupid.

Also, things have changed.

Also, you'd be deeper into generational debt if your country went into a depression caused by the loss of trillions of dollars from financial markets.
I'm more against bailing out business like big-auto. Banks are another story.

[Specialsauce]

Okay but if the ones that did disappeared, then the trillions of dollars they possessed would disappear from the financial markets and put every other market actor under pressure, and probably cause some of those to collapse etc etc. I trust you saw what happened when just one investment bank (Bear Stearns) collapsed.

Oh my God it was awful! There were riots, and human sacrifices, and blackouts and the rivers ran RED with HUMAN BLOOD! I see now, a life without the stimulus package would be like that times 50... absolute mass hysteria.

Oh wait, Bear Sterns never collapsed it was bailed out and bought by JP Morgan. What was I thinking of?

[Der Übermensch]

I'm on the site idk what to do though.

Once the tournament starts, the games will show up on your main page.

[Angmar]

okay I may not be up much longer so ya...

[Smokey D]

Oh my God it was awful! There were riots, and human sacrifices, and blackouts and the rivers ran RED with HUMAN BLOOD! I see now, a life without the stimulus package would be like that times 50... absolute mass hysteria.


It doesn't need to be awful it just needs to be worse than what would happen if the bail out was passed.


Oh wait, Bear Sterns never collapsed it was bailed out and bought by JP Morgan. What was I thinking of?

Um, if a bank declares bankruptcy, it's collapsed.

[Iskandar]

These people want tax cuts yet they're complaining about the national debt. That doesn't make any sense. Less taxes means less revenue flowing in and thus paying off the debt takes longer.

Besides that the spending seems much worse when it's piling on top of a massive debt that the last president created. Keynesian theory states that deficits are okay as long as they can be paid off later. If we didn't have this massive deficit to begin with people wouldn't complain as much.

[die of starvation]

they want the taxes to be flatter

[Specialsauce]

The implication is that passing a (much) smaller stimulus plan or not passing one at all would have been a better idea. That's pretty stupid.
Why would it be stupid. If they had let the **** banks fail, and billions of dollars just 'vanished', the government could print that money back up and redistribute it via some other form of stimulus, like systematically giving it to small businesses, starting with the smallest business tax bracket and working their way up, or doing it state by state to avoid the inflationary wiplash, or even holding a lottery for it. Why the hell should the companies who make a mockery of capitalism and have garbage business practices be the ones who the government allows to float?
Also, you'd be deeper into generational debt if your country went into a depression caused by the loss of trillions of dollars from financial markets.
'We' would not have gone into a depression. The executives at certain banks who sucked at their job anyway might have gone into depression, but that's about it.

[Specialsauce]

it doesn't need to be awful it just needs to be worse than what would happen if the bail out was passed.



Um, if a bank declares bankruptcy, it's collapsed.

bear sterns didnt go bankrupt. they were bailed out by the fed. and our economic situation continues to worsen.

[Iskandar]

Um why do you think these major firms failing doesn't affect you and everyone else.

[die of starvation]

Why would it be stupid. If they had let the **** banks fail, and billions of dollars just 'vanished', the government could print that money back up and redistribute it via some other form of stimulus, like systematically giving it to small businesses, starting with the smallest business tax bracket and working their way up, or doing it state by state to avoid the inflationary wiplash, or even holding a lottery for it. Why the hell should the companies who make a mockery of capitalism and have garbage business practices be the ones who the government allows to float?

'We' would not have gone into a depression. The executives at certain banks who sucked at their job anyway might have gone into depression, but that's about it.


economies of scale or something who knows it's a mystery

also i dont think you know what an economic depression is

[Mr. Ron]

These people want tax cuts yet they're complaining about the national debt. That doesn't make any sense. Less taxes means less revenue flowing in and thus paying off the debt takes longer.

Besides that the spending seems much worse when it's piling on top of a massive debt that the last president created. Keynesian theory states that deficits are okay as long as they can be paid off later. If we didn't have this massive deficit to begin with people wouldn't complain as much.
Yeah, we can't.

[die of starvation]

well even if your catastrophic delusions are true it'll just get forgiven by China decades or centuries from now anyway

[Iskandar]

Yeah, we can't.We can't pay the deficit off?

I dunno, the government pulls in an awful lot through taxes. The problem is that going towards stupidly expensive stuff like wars.

Obama could probably pay off the entire deficit by the end of his first term (assuming for the sake of argument he gets re-elected) but tax cuts will hinder his efforts to do so.

[Mr. Ron]

We can't pay the deficit off?

I dunno, the government pulls in an awful lot through taxes. The problem is that going towards stupidly expensive stuff like wars.

Obama could probably pay off the entire deficit by the end of his first term (assuming for the sake of argument he gets re-elected) but tax cuts will hinder his efforts to do so.
Personally, I just don't see that happening with all the spending he wants to do.

[die of starvation]

you have to spend in a recession that's like the 2nd page of macro 101

[Smokey D]

Why would it be stupid. If they had let the **** banks fail, and billions of dollars just 'vanished', the government could print that money back up and redistribute it via some other form of stimulus, like systematically giving it to small businesses, starting with the smallest business tax bracket and working their way up, or doing it state by state to avoid the inflationary wiplash, or even holding a lottery for it. Why the hell should the companies who make a mockery of capitalism and have garbage business practices be the ones who the government allows to float?

Inflation is taxation.

'We' would not have gone into a depression. The executives at certain banks who sucked at their job anyway might have gone into depression, but that's about it.

Um, if trillions of dollars disappears you go into a depression.

[Iskandar]

Personally, I just don't see that happening with all the spending he wants to do.Spending in a recession and surplus in times of growth. That's how the business cycle works.

He's spending for a reason.

[Mr. Ron]

lol ok i'm done trolling now

[die of starvation]

mr ron i believe those were ur earnest opinions

ernest too

[Iskandar]

lol ok i'm done trolling nowOkay.

When the economy picks up (and it always does) there won't be a need for this kind of extravagant spending. Add the end of the Iraq War and there will be lots of resources freed up.

[Specialsauce]

Um why do you think these major firms failing doesn't affect you and everyone else.

Because it doesn't. I don't have any money invested in them, they do not employ me, I am not a customer of these huge industrial banks, and there are other banks that businesses could go to. How does it affect me? You say all this money would 'vanish', but first of all, that doesn't even make sense, because bankrupcy =/= vanishing money, and second of all, if it already belonged to these huge banks, what difference does it make if it disappears? it wasn't in circulation anyway. Any money that was lent out to businesses would just belong to them now, because their bank was too dumb to do it's job right. So why, exactly, do you think it would effect me?

[Mr. Ron]

mr ron i believe those were ur earnest opinions

ernest too
only half way. I realize you have to spend in this situation.

[Specialsauce]

Postia dublio

[die of starvation]

mr ron u want flat taxes

[Mr. Ron]

flat taxes are dum

[Specialsauce]

Inflation is taxation.



Um, if trillions of dollars disappears you go into a depression.

I'm sorry I ever let you wear my Logic Crown.:mad:

Disappearing money only causes a depression if it disappears out of everyone's pocket.

And flat taxes are not dumb.

[Iskandar]

Flat taxes will continue to be dumb as long as the rich benefit more from government than everyone else.
Because it doesn't. I don't have any money invested in them, they do not employ me, I am not a customer of these huge industrial banks, and there are other banks that businesses could go to. How does it affect me?Don't you see everything is connected in an economy.

When some of the largest firms go under, tons of money is lost. That in turn affects consumer confidence, meaning spending goes down and less money is injected into the economy. Thus the entire economy grinds to a halt and we see negative growth. That means less money to go around for everyone. That's not even getting into the problems caused by increasing unemployment which leads to a heavy burden on the welfare state and social unrest.

No offense but either you don't understand economics very well or you're just choosing to ignore this stuff.

[Smokey D]

Because it doesn't. I don't have any money invested in them, they do not employ me, I am not a customer of these huge industrial banks, and there are other banks that businesses could go to. How does it affect me? You say all this money would 'vanish', but first of all, that doesn't even make sense, because bankrupcy =/= vanishing money, and second of all, if it already belonged to these huge banks, what difference does it make if it disappears? it wasn't in circulation anyway. Any money that was lent out to businesses would just belong to them now, because their bank was too dumb to do it's job right. So why, exactly, do you think it would effect me?

It would affect you because if all that money disappears, banks stop lending, companies stop borrowing, consumers stop spending and the economy tanks.


Disappearing money only causes a depression if it disappears out of everyone's pocket.

Er, which it does because the banks aren't there to distribute it any more.

[Mr. Ron]

so anyways, what are people going to do over summer vacation?

[Iskandar]

If you want to extend the recession for years and see untold levels of government spending, by all means let the banks fail.

You realize the money in those banks belongs to people who need it to spend on stuff to revive the economy and end the recession.
so anyways, what are people going to do over summer vacation?I dunno, work.

[Mr. Ron]

Same, I need to take at least one summer class as well :/

[Specialsauce]

Flat taxes will continue to be dumb as long as the rich benefit more from government than everyone else.
Don't you see everything is connected.

When some of the largest firms go under, tons of money is lost. That in turn affects consumer confidence, meaning spending goes down and less money in injected into the economy. Thus the entire economy grinds to a halt and we see negative growth. That means less money to go around for everyone. That's not even getting into the problems caused by increasing unemployment which leads to a heavy burden on the welfare state and social unrest.
First: consumer confidence has nothin to do with money being injected into the economy, that happens when money is printed, or when gold is mined. The money in consumers pockets is already 'in' the economy.
Second: 'Negative Growth'is an oxymoron
That out of the way, your 'less money to go around' argument is pointless because the market adjusts for the amount of money in circulation.
And as for unemployment, people who find themselves jobless from a bank collapse can go get a job at one of the banks that didn't commit suicide. For sure the legit banks business will be expanding.

[Specialsauce]

It would affect you because if all that money disappears, banks stop lending, companies stop borrowing, consumers stop spending and the economy tanks.



Er, which it does because the banks aren't there to distribute it any more.

Not every bank needed to die.
And if the government wants to get involved in helping, then they should force the banks and their executives to pay the accountholders back.

[die of starvation]

so anyways, what are people going to do over summer vacation?

i have no idea
and i lose my apartment in 17 days

[Mr. Ron]

why? can't pay for it or something?

[Specialsauce]

I lose my appartment at the end of the month. I'm spending the summer backpacking The American West.

[Smokey D]

Not every bank needed to die.

Yeah I know not every bank needs to die to cause a recession.


And if the government wants to get involved in helping, then they should force the banks and their executives to pay the accountholders back.

Er, the problem is the banks don't have any money to pay people because they lent it to other people who defaulted on their loans. That's the problem.


and i lose my apartment in 17 days

Hobo.

[J Powers]

posting after my all-time favorite moderator

the tea parties springing up all over the US have been awesome

i'm thinking about going out to pioneer square tomorrow to join in the protests

[Pop music sucks]

I <3 heiling my dog. He gives me a look like "...We shall rise again!". I heil him cause he has a Hitler 'stache on his muzzle and he's a self-concious dog who gets annoyed when you laugh and look at him.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/lemooch/DSC00013.jpg

:D/

[Wario Mario]

nice looking rott

[die of starvation]

Hobo.
lol ok

[Mr. Ron]

you can live with me tway

[Iskandar]

First: consumer confidence has nothin to do with money being injected into the economy, that happens when money is printed, or when gold is mined. The money in consumers pockets is already 'in' the economy.
Second: 'Negative Growth'is an oxymoron
That out of the way, your 'less money to go around' argument is pointless because the market adjusts for the amount of money in circulation.
And as for unemployment, people who find themselves jobless from a bank collapse can go get a job at one of the banks that didn't commit suicide. For sure the legit banks business will be expanding.Okay, never mind, you just don't understand economics.

[beso negro]

well i agree with him completely and i know how the economy works i'm a day trader

[Iskandar]

That doesn't necessarily mean you know economics outside of the stock market, but whatever, I'll bite.
First: consumer confidence has nothin to do with money being injected into the economy, that happens when money is printed, or when gold is mined. Printing money doesn't lead to growth, it just leads to inflation.
The money in consumers pockets is already 'in' the economy.No it's not. Money which isn't being spent isn't benefitting anyone. If everyone pulled their money out of their banks and stored it under their mattresses, the economy would collapse.

Keynes believed the key to jump-starting the market during a recession was for low-income earners to spend on consumer goods more than rich people who are more likely to invest in capital and stuff.
Second: 'Negative Growth'is an oxymoronIt's just a technical term, referring to the economy contracting. Ie. there is less growth than there was before.
That out of the way, your 'less money to go around' argument is pointless because the market adjusts for the amount of money in circulation.To a degree but it can't keep up with drastic changes in the money supply. Again, inflation. We've learned this lesson many times before. We can't simply print our way out of a recession any more than we can spend our way out of it. We need to restore consumer confidence and investor confidence so people actually start buying things and getting the wheels turning again.
And as for unemployment, people who find themselves jobless from a bank collapse can go get a job at one of the banks that didn't commit suicide. For sure the legit banks business will be expanding.Okay except most people don't know the first thing about banks and they'd all require training in that field so no they can't.

[beso negro]

Printing money doesn't lead to growth, it just leads to inflation.

not always. if there is a steady decrease in the velocity of circulation it helps to print money to avoid deflation.

[Iskandar]

Okay but is this one of those times. What Specialsauce is suggesting definitely would lead to runaway inflation.

Also deflation hardly ever happens and so it's not a concern. Unless you meant disinflation (the inflation rate slows), not unlike negative growth.

[mph4ever]

money corrupts

[die of starvation]

why? can't pay for it or something?

no its free but that's when it ends

[Smokey D]

not always. if there is a steady decrease in the velocity of circulation it helps to print money to avoid deflation.

This is what quantitative easing is all about correct?

What the Administration has done is simply another way of preventing a catastrophic decline in the money supply. While I suppose it's theoretically possible that printing money and distributing it to business and consumers directly would prevent deflation, there's a pretty good argument to support more or less preserving existing distribution of assets and liabilities. Namely that millions of more or less innocent people have directly or indirectly organised their lives on the assumption that the banks will not fail, and therefore if the financial system did collapse, millions of people would without any fault of their own have their circumstances forcibly changed by external forces operating without reference to justice. Granted, you could say the government is also an external force operating changing people's circumstances without enquiring into moral fault, but I think demonising the government and acquiescing to the invisible hand is inconsistent.



Also deflation hardly ever happens and so it's not a concern. Unless you meant disinflation (the inflation rate slows), not unlike negative growth.

Not true. The Great Depression was caused by deflation. So was Japan's lost decade.