PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Amit]

well it was made when he did exist

[The Digital Pimp]

Still, it's their will... so chill, and take a pill.

[Aaron]

Stupid old people living too long; means that wealth isn't passed down and we have to work harder. Stupid baby-boomers and their caravans.

[Iskandar]

well it was made when he did exist
So what? The property ceased to become his when he died.

[Aaron]

It became the property of his estate.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

I'll argue this line once you convince me a corpse has property rights.

I don't think it's a right, per se; just a logical and worthwhile convention.

I don't have the right to study a degree and realise my academic potential, but degrees are still a good idea.

[Iskandar]

I don't think it's a right, per se; just a logical and worthwhile convention.

I don't have the right to study a degree and realise my academic potential, but degrees are still a good idea.
Ah well, that's just opinions. I'd debate it sometime, but there's no point since neither of us will change our minds.
It became the property of his estate.
Another legal construct.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Ah well, that's just opinions. I'd debate it sometime, but there's no point since neither of us will change our minds.


<high5>

[PerpetualBurn]

So if I gets AIDS and give everything I own to my family, that's ok?
But if I die suddenly in a car accident, the government gets everything?

You see no inconsistency in the way you treat the families of these people?

[Iskandar]

So if I gets AIDS and give everything I own to my family, that's ok?
But if I die suddenly in a car accident, the government gets everything?

You see no inconsistency in the way you treat the families of these people?
No.

If the government gets your property, it is responsible to provide for your family in return.

[PerpetualBurn]

Oh right.

Because I actually think that I'm better off receiving a large donation of money than if the government takes the same amount. Silly me.

[Mr. Ron]

No.

If the government gets your property, it is responsible to provide for your family in return.

Damn, the government is pretty much everywhere in the model for your society. Where's the privacy?

[Amit]

No.

If the government gets your property, it is responsible to provide for your family in return.

let's say i had made $500,000 a year and was putting both of my kids through medical and graduate school when i suddenly died and all of my assets were seized by the government as per your scenario

how can the government even begin take care of them :-\

[Mr. Ron]

Government cheese! :-D

[PerpetualBurn]

Presumably by splitting your assets between 300,000,000 people instead of letting your next of kin have them, society would be too busy dancing round trees and hugging strangers to need medical schools.

[Iskandar]

Damn, the government is pretty much everywhere in the model for your society. Where's the privacy?
No, it's not. Its primary role is providing social services and making sure society doesn't break down.

I don't have a model of society. I support various policies.
how can the government even begin take care of them :-\
This is a private school, now isn't it?

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

i dont think anyone's mentioned that Milton Friedman died a couple of days ago

[Futue te Ipsum]

they'd rather discuss theoretical economics :P

[Smokey D]

Then give as much wealth away as you can during your life, because a dead man can't.

The person isn't dead at the point it's bequeathed. It's kinda like 'the king is dead, long live the king'. There is no time between the testator dying and the beneficiary of the will receiving the inheritence when the property is no-ones.

[Hababi]

Yeah belated RIP to Milton Friedman, brilliant guy.

Can anyone point me to a "racist" post I made, because I just noticed that Surgical was once again whining about it in a pit thread :p

[griftadan]

i dont think anyone's mentioned that Milton Friedman died a couple of days ago

they were getting all uppity in this commie forum i go to. they're just pissed that his theories are infinitely more influential than theirs will ever be.

here i'll make a thread to piss off all the commies

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

Can anyone point me to a "racist" post I made, because I just noticed that Surgical was once again whining about it in a pit thread
I can't be bothered to look it up but you have made some pretty damn stupid posts about Palestinians

[Hababi]

I can't be bothered to look it up but you have made some pretty damn stupid posts about Palestinians

Never racist though:smash:

[DBoons Ghost]

Government cheese! :-D

I cannot eat yellow American cheese because of this stuff. We call it church cheese because the church used to hand it out. That and bologna, and spiced ham. The cheese was lumpy, and it didn't melt right no matter what you did. It made me wish we had a microwave, because rumor had it the microwaves melted the cheese without the greasy residue and the lumps. The spiced ham and bologna was only good when you fried it.

[Iskandar]

There is no time between the testator dying and the beneficiary of the will receiving the inheritence when the property is no-ones.
... When the person is dead? I was under the impression inheritance occured after death.

[coheneran]

Never racist though:smash:

Are you kidding?

"The Palestinian people are vagrants"

"There is no Palestinian culture, they're useless"

And many others like these, they don't seem familiar? You totally discriminated against a whole race.

[Hababi]

Dude Palestinians don't constitute a race

There's much good in the history of Arab cultures; they've made many important contributions to mathematics, etc.

But the Palestinians, as a subset, lead the world in one category: terrorism. The dominant culture is disgusting and should be exterminated (waits for someone to misinterpret that as saying "Palestinians should be exterminated").

And the Palestinian people were vagrants, basically. Wtf was "Palestine" (that make believe country)? A dirty refugee camp, basically. They did nothing with that land; Israel did more in 5 years than they ever did.

[Iskandar]

Dude Palestinians don't constitute a race

There's much good in the history of Arab cultures; they've made many important contributions to mathematics, etc.

But the Palestinians, as a subset, lead the world in one category: terrorism. The dominant culture is disgusting and should be exterminated (waits for someone to misinterpret that as saying "Palestinians should be exterminated").

And the Palestinian people were vagrants, basically. Wtf was "Palestine" (that make believe country)? A dirty refugee camp, basically. They did nothing with that land; Israel did more in 5 years than they ever did.
Where do you get this bullcrap from?

Do you call all Rwandans murderers? All Sudanese?

[lunchforthesky]

Dude Palestinians don't constitute a race

There's much good in the history of Arab cultures; they've made many important contributions to mathematics, etc.

But the Palestinians, as a subset, lead the world in one category: terrorism. The dominant culture is disgusting and should be exterminated (waits for someone to misinterpret that as saying "Palestinians should be exterminated").

just because americans have a homeland (a stolen one of course) doesnt make what they have done in vietnam, indochina, cambodia, laos, iraq etc.. any worse than what palestinians have been doing. america just seem to think they have a monopoly on starting wars and killing innocents. if they do its okay but if anyone else does there dirty terrorist scum.

[Hababi]

Do you call all Rwandans murderers? All Sudanese?


I didn't call all Palestinians murderers. I said it's the dominant culture, and it is--more than 50% approve of homicide bombings. If you approve of homicide bombings, you're the Enemy. And you know what I think of the Enemy ;)


america just seem to think they have a monopoly on starting wars and killing innocents


:lol: Bad US for overthrowing a brutal dictator and setting up a democracy! Bad!

[Iskandar]

I didn't call all Palestinians murderers. I said it's the dominant culture, and it is--more than 50% approve of homicide bombings. If you approve of homicide bombings, you're the Enemy. And you know what I think of the Enemy ;)



:lol: Bad US for overthrowing a brutal dictator and setting up a democracy! Bad!
1) Approving suicidal maniacs because they might benefit you doesn't make you a murderer.
2) No, they are not the Enemy. Terrorisism is purportedly the enemy.
3) First part, good; second part, not so good. A democracy isn't much good if it rules in utter chaos.

[lunchforthesky]

:lol: Bad US for overthrowing a brutal dictator and setting up a democracy! Bad!

did you ever think that maybe Iraqis dont want a democracy and actually would prefer to govern their own affairs. can you justify the invasion in those other countries please too.

that a liberal democracy is the greatest form of government feesible is not a fact. representative democracy has huge downfalls like any other system. it is no more right for you to impose democracy on a country that does not want than it is for the soviets to impose stalinism on all of western europe.

besides its hardly become a great democratic nations has it.

[Hababi]

1) Approving suicidal maniacs because they might benefit you doesn't make you a murderer.

It makes you just as bad, morally. Anyone who supported the Holocaust was just as bad as those who perpetrated it.


2) No, they are not the Enemy. Terrorisism is purportedly the enemy.


Misnamed. It's a war on radical Islam. And they're radical Muslims.

3) First part, good; second part, not so good. A democracy isn't much good if it rules in utter chaos.

It's up to the Iraqi's whether it will work or not.


did you ever think that maybe Iraqis dont want a democracy and actually would prefer to govern their own affairs.


They will be! They weren't when Saddam was stuffing people in paper shredders.

[Iskandar]

It makes you just as bad, morally. Anyone who supported the Holocaust was just as bad as those who perpetrated it.
This isn't the Holocaust.
It's up to the Iraqi's whether it will work or not.
They will be!
This is what I always wonder: Where is the Iraqi government in all this? What are its forces doing? Why can't it seem to rule effectively?

[Hababi]

This isn't the Holocaust.


It's another battle of good vs. evil. Radical Muslims are evil.


Why can't it seem to rule effectively?


You'd have to ask the Iraqi's :p

[coheneran]

Dude Palestinians don't constitute a race

Yeah they do.

But the Palestinians, as a subset, lead the world in one category: terrorism. The dominant culture is disgusting and should be exterminated.

They didn't invent terrorism, stop being dramatic. Terrorism has existed as long as oppression and military occupation have existed, in Palestine it was just brought up to the technology of the era.

And the Palestinian people were vagrants, basically. Wtf was "Palestine" (that make believe country)? A dirty refugee camp, basically. They did nothing with that land; Israel did more in 5 years than they ever did.

No, you're only judging them by Western industrialist standards, and the fact that they weren't industrialised or particularly capitalist makes them inferior in your eyes. Israel dried more swamps, flattened more hills and built more factories in five years, but I'll be ****ed if I start judging the character of individuals, let alone WHOLE PEOPLES, by their production and consumption capacity.

[lunchforthesky]

This is what I always wonder: Where is the Iraqi government in all this? What are its forces doing? Why can't it seem to rule effectively?

because the americans have proven to be utterly useless at occupying a country. every time they destroy the countries infrastructure and ar ethen shocked when the conutry cant stand up.

they should of done what the allies did and accept that a lot of people were involved in a brutal regime, made them repent of their wicked ways (however insincerely) and built the country from there.

[Hababi]

No, you're only judging them by Western industrialist standards, and the fact that they weren't industrialised or particularly capitalist makes them inferior in your eyes. Israel dried more swamps, flattened more hills and built more factories in five years, but I'll be ****ed if I start judging the character of individuals, let alone WHOLE PEOPLES, by their production and consumption capacity.


Umm...technology, civility, value of democracy...basically, any possible way of measuring a people, the Palestinians come out as schmucks. A schmuck is a schmuck. They didn't deserve the land they were on.


Yeah they do.



I think you need to read up on race.

[Iskandar]

It's another battle of good vs. evil. Radical Muslims are evil.
They'll be comparable when six million Jews are killed.
[QUOTE=Serenity]You'd have to ask the Iraqi's :p
Or the Americans why they don't transfer more responsibility to the legitimate government of Iraq.

[Hababi]

They'll be comparable when six million Jews are killed.


You don't measure evilness on sheer number alone. Hitler was just as evil as Mao, even though he killed less people.

[lunchforthesky]

You don't measure evilness on sheer number alone. Hitler was just as evil as Mao, even though he killed less people.

dont be an idiot evilness is just a word. there is no evil-ness scale it means nothing

[Hababi]

Haha says the guy who thinks Jews should just forget about the Holocaust.

[Iskandar]

You don't measure evilness on sheer number alone. Hitler was just as evil as Mao, even though he killed less people.
Not that I'm about to defend Mao, but he killed people more through ineptness and corruption, not death camps.

[lunchforthesky]

Haha says the guy who thinks Jews should just forget about the Holocaust.

says the person who thinks that palestinians are an inferior race who dont deserve the land they once inhabited. sounds a bit like eugenics to me.

[Hababi]

I don't see any ineptness about it, I think he was accomplishing just what he aimed for, just like Pol Pot. Communism has always come with bloodshed, almost always on a grand scale.

[lunchforthesky]

I don't see any ineptness about it, I think he was accomplishing just what he aimed for, just like Pol Pot. Communism has always come with bloodshed, almost always on a grand scale.

im sure people could tell you this all day and you wouldnt get it but here goes.

CHINA WAS NOT AND IS NOT A COMMUNIST COUNTRY

[coheneran]

Haha says the guy who thinks Jews should just forget about the Holocaust.

History should not be forgotten, but it should be accepted, and dealt with.

[Iskandar]

I don't see any ineptness about it, I think he was accomplishing just what he aimed for, just like Pol Pot. Communism has always come with bloodshed, almost always on a grand scale.
Haha, Mao and Pol had nothing to do with communism. They were not communists. Mao was a state-socialist with a bizarre personal doctrine and cult of personality, and Pol was just a maniac.

They were just dictators. They had as much to do with communism as Hitler did with capitalism, or Mussolini with trade-unionism.

[lunchforthesky]

History should not be forgotten, but it should be accepted, and dealt with.

which is exactly what i said in the first place

[Hababi]

:lol: Yes because you get to decide if they're truely communist.



They were just dictators. They had as much to do with communism as Hitler did with capitalism, or Mussolini with trade-unionism.


They preached communism.

[lunchforthesky]

:lol: Yes because you get to decide if they're truely communist.



They preached communism.

no they did not. they did not preach what marx and engles wrote therefore they are not cummunist.

[Iskandar]

:lol: Yes because you get to decide if they're truely communist.



They preached communism.
I think I know what communism is.

They used it as rhetoric to gain support, don't be a fool. Of course a poor rice farmer is going to support promises of aid and equality.
they did not preach what marx and engles wrote therefore they are not cummunist.
Hey, the Soviet Union did and they weren't either.

It's not even really about what Marx wrote, although it's worth noting Mao and Pol had barely anything to do with his ideas.

[Hababi]

Still if there was no communism, there'd have been no Mao. China would be a democratic society.

[coheneran]

Still if there was no communism, there'd have been no Mao. China would be a democratic society.

More likely it would still be a monarchy.

And someone would have come along and killed more people anyway, regardless of what ideology they used to justify it. We use capitalism and democracy to justify our murders, he used communism, Hitler used nationalism, it's just the same old story ("of man destroying man/we've got to look for other answers to the problems of this land").

[Iskandar]

Still if there was no communism, there'd have been no Mao. China would be a democratic society.
You don't know that. The Kuomintang weren't a great alternative.

While we're at it, Mao was more influenced by Lenin than anything, and the idea of communism isn't exclusive to Marx.

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502411



:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Smokey D]

... When the person is dead? I was under the impression inheritance occured after death.

But it is immediately conferred.

More likely it would still be a monarchy.

The Qing dynasty was overthrown in 1911.

[coheneran]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502411



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Misunderstanding of text, ITT.

[Iskandar]

But it is immediately conferred.
Yeah, after death. We come back to the beginning.

[PerpetualBurn]

At the time of death.

[Iskandar]

At the time of death.
Oh, at the time it ceases to be yours.

Face it, you can argue for inheritance based on the benefits of it but you can't argue it has some objective justification. It's a legal construct.

[Smokey D]

All laws are a legal construct. It doesn't mean we shouldn't have them.

[coheneran]

Depends how much they contrast our morality.

[Smokey D]

Yes.

How much does transfering wealth from one generation to another generation contravene your morality, and why?

[coheneran]

Yes.

How much does transfering wealth from one generation to another generation contravene your morality, and why?

I disagree that someone should have a better chance in life, and an easier life all-round, just because their daddy had the balls to make it big.

But would I want to be able to give my CDs or miscellaneous possessions to someone I loved if I died unexpectedly, or expectedly? Yeah.

So, though I haven't explored it fully, I'd say money shouldn't be inheritted past a certain amount (let's say £3000, that helps cover education, which is supposedly the "great equaliser"), but go ahead for miscellaneous possessions. Of course, to bypass this you could just spend your last fortune on a bag of diamonds and that's your inheritance to your kids, but we're talking about the morality of it, not how to bypass nonexistent laws.

[Smokey D]

I don't see a substantive difference between gifting your wealth away one minute before you die and doing it in the moment of your death.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Can anyone point me to a "racist" post I made, because I just noticed that Surgical was once again whining about it in a pit thread :p

I'd like to think I'm balanced on opinions of the israel-palestine conflict and I have to say sometimes your writing style is a little... Abrasive towards the palestinian people?

I don't like the way they're romantacised but your way of putting things really doesn't help your case.

[Iskandar]

I don't see a substantive difference between gifting your wealth away one minute before you die and doing it in the moment of your death.
That's the problem faced with this.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

That's the problem faced with this.

So you agree with us?

[Iskandar]

So you agree with us?
Agree on what? I still support making an end of inheritance and privilege; I don't think a dead man's property is rightfully anyone's; I just agreed that it's difficult to abolish it because a lot of wealth can be given away during life.

[Smokey D]

Morally, what is the difference between transferring wealth before you die or in the moment of your death?

[thedeadwalk!]

Are you people talking just wealth or belongings, too? I don't see how people could be against passing down personal belongings considering emotional attachment. You'd have to be pretty heartless to deny people that.

[Iskandar]

Are you people talking just wealth or belongings, too? I don't see how people could be against passing down personal belongings considering emotional attachment. You'd have to be pretty heartless to deny people that.
Wealth.
Morally, what is the difference between transferring wealth before you die or in the moment of your death?
It's yours to give since you're alive. If you want arguments on why I think a dead man's property is no one's, I've been arguing it in a couple of threads for a while.

It's moot anyway. The real question is, How could abolition of inheritance be enforced?

[Smokey D]

Wealth

My grandmothers $2million diamond necklace?


It's yours to give since you're alive. If you want arguments on why I think a dead man's property is no one's, I've been arguing it in a couple of threads for a while.

I'm arguing it here, not rifling through threads trying to put together your point. What is the moral difference between giving away your wealth in the last day you're alive and giving it away when you're dead? What practical difference would abolition achieve.


It's moot anyway. The real question is, How could abolition of inheritance be enforced?

Auditing. I don't think it would be that difficult if someone were foolish enough to implement it.

[Iskandar]

My grandmothers $2million diamond necklace?
Does her necklace employ people?
What practical difference would abolition achieve.
Fairness. Equality of opportunity.
Auditing. I don't think it would be that difficult if someone were foolish enough to implement it.
Excellent. Now when I become the sole dictator of an impoverished, corrupt Latin American socialist state, I'll know what to do.

[Smokey D]

Does her necklace employ people?

Machines never employ people.

But I might when I sell it.

Fairness. Equality of opportunity.

If I give all my assets away moments before I die, I have thwarted the abolition. The people with the kind of money this rule would be designed to affect would be the very same who would be most able to circumvent it. They would have the most vested interest in understanding the laws, and devising ways to get around it.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

I have -53 rep :(

[PerpetualBurn]

If not the necklace, then why not my huge house?

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Removing inheritance removes a great drive to succeed. People are often driven by a desire to make things better for their children, and an investment like a family home (that the mortgage will not (usually) be paid off until retirement) becomes very unattractive. I can see what the anti-inheritance folks are saying, but I think it's a little unreasonable.

[AlienEater]

I have -53 rep :(

heeheehee

[PerpetualBurn]

We still have rep?

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Ah it's coz I used to get kicks out of f'ucking with some of the mods in the punk forum. I'm a changed man now, honest...

[DBoons Ghost]

Ah it's coz I used to get kicks out of f'ucking with some of the mods in the punk forum. I'm a changed man now, honest...

Tee-hee dawg!

:p

[coheneran]

Ah it's coz I used to get kicks out of f'ucking with some of the mods in the punk forum. I'm a changed man now, honest...

Aww, poor nack, to have you as an enemy.:wave:

[veggie 3.14]

Back to bring down the level of intelligence in this thread.

:cool:

In other news, I had an extremely stressful few days, with two very close friends now appearing to despise my very existence, and excessive levels of coursework. Hooray for adolescence.

[Hababi]

We still have rep?


Yeah I just used it to neg rep TGB for his stupid threads.

[AlienEater]

We still have rep?

Yep.

And apparantly, you're just really nice.

[Hababi]

You'll become famous soon enough...

maybe :D

[coheneran]

Who gave you all that rep zero?

[pedro durruti]

I did, we all did

[coheneran]

I don't get it. Was it supposed to be ironic?

=/

[Hababi]

I have a reputation beyond repute.

[pedro durruti]

That's very reputable
I don't get it. Was it supposed to be ironic?

=/
Haha no it was all nonsense

[AlienEater]

You'll become famous soon enough...

maybe :D

ooh i can't wait

[coheneran]

Haha, I have a "spectacular aura" about me. All hail the Oracle.

EDIT: http://www.indietits.com/comics/thanksgiving.png

[AlienEater]

Heil coheneran! Mein Fuhrer!

[PerpetualBurn]

Yep.

And apparantly, you're just really nice.

Hohoho.

You're funny.

[AlienEater]

I'm sorry

:(

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm just crabby because Sheffield United keep losing.

[AlienEater]

At soccer? (I would use the word 'football', but it would only confuse americans.)

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Man I love this particular forum. All day long I spend with idiots, shi't, there was a guy at work who didn't even know the christian creation myth (a white, anglo-saxon male btw). And I can come here and there's smart folks all over the place, and they're in the absolute majority, so when a fu'ckwitted jerkoff comes in, he gets sh'at on, tarred and feather and sent on his merry way. Oh joy of joys. Except for today, today there were no idiots, just new girlfriend, who is not (for a change) an idiot.

[PerpetualBurn]

Yes, footy.

[Hababi]

I think I'm the most balanced reviewer on sputnik music :D

[PerpetualBurn]

And I think you're an idiot Christian.

Funny how opinions differ.

[coheneran]

Man I love this particular forum. All day long I spend with idiots, shi't, there was a guy at work who didn't even know the christian creation myth (a white, anglo-saxon male btw). And I can come here and there's smart folks all over the place, and they're in the absolute majority, so when a fu'ckwitted jerkoff comes in, he gets sh'at on, tarred and feather and sent on his merry way. Oh joy of joys. Except for today, today there were no idiots, just new girlfriend, who is not (for a change) an idiot.

Could also be perceived as a good thing.

[PerpetualBurn]

Can it be perceived as a good thing when your International Relations tutor refers to you not by your name but as "The Philosopher"?

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Could also be perceived as a good thing.

Hardly, it's an absolutely fundamental part of Western Society. Like it or hate it, you HAVE to know some biblical stuff to actually understand the way the world is, ignorance is inexcusable. It's the same as having to know some Marx or Engels, it's the same as having to know Mark Twain and William Shakespeare.

[coheneran]

Hardly, it's an absolutely fundamental part of Western Society. Like it or hate it, you HAVE to know some biblical stuff to actually understand the way the world is, ignorance is inexcusable. It's the same as having to know some Marx or Engels, it's the same as having to know Mark Twain and William Shakespeare.

Oh how will we ever understand how the universe works without full knowledge of the Bible!?:rolleyes:

Just because everyone gets taught it doesn't mean it's important. Everyone knows that Maddona adopted an African kid, doesn't make it important.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

It's not about the universe working, its about the way Western Society works. In your socialist utopia it can be erased but the fact is that this current incarnation of Western Captialism has a lot to do with Judeo-Christian tradition. And it's not a matter of a "full knowledge of the bible", line for line, word for word, its a matter of knowing the basic stories in the book because you have to to "get" society. There are some essential "texts" to understanding society. Even for the most basic understanding the bible is essential, for greater understanding things like John Stewart Mill and Descartes are vital. Sure I'm an elitist, but that just means valuing good things over sh'it.

[coheneran]

You mean like thinking J.R.R. Tolkien is a better fantasy writer than R.A. Salvatore?

[RIP Ian Curtis]

No, but JRR Tolkien is a more important fantast writer than R.A Salvatore, because his work is a big part of the makeup of modern Western society. For example: every single fantasy novel written since Tolkien. It's not about quality (Marlowe better playwright than Shakey, Shakey more widely read = more important), its about the importance of the text in the cannon of literature and society. The same thing applies to movies, there is a lot of life you wouldn't understand if you had no knowledge of the Star Wars movies (Reagan calling Russia the "evil empire" for a start...).

[coheneran]

No, but JRR Tolkien is a more important fantast writer than R.A Salvatore, because his work is a big part of the makeup of modern Western society. For example: every single fantasy novel written since Tolkien. It's not about quality (Marlowe better playwright than Shakey, Shakey more widely read = more important), its about the importance of the text in the cannon of literature and society. The same thing applies to movies, there is a lot of life you wouldn't understand if you had no knowledge of the Star Wars movies (Reagan calling Russia the "evil empire" for a start...).

Fair 'nuff.

It would be hilarious if Bush called the terrorists around the world "The Rebel Alliance."

[RIP Ian Curtis]

If the "axis of evil" are the Rebel Alliance, what are we? We're totally the Empire aren't we? Cheney = (or did =) the emporor.

[DBoons Ghost]

Without Tolkein there may not have been a RA Salvatore.

So, of course the student is generally better then the teacher.

Martin is better then Salvatore in some regards, but Salvatore is genius at writing battles.

Robert Jordan is good too, but the way he writes the women of WoT makes me want to beat him with a shoe.

My 2 cents on fantasy writers..

[Mr. Ron]

Without Tolkein there may not have been a RA Salvatore.

So, of course the student is generally better then the teacher.

Martin is better then Salvatore in some regards, but Salvatore is genius at writing battles.

Robert Jordan is good too, but the way he writes the women of WoT makes me want to beat him with a shoe.

My 2 cents on fantasy writers..

I love Salvatore, but his battle scenes seem to be overwritten.


Got to love that HP Lovecraft, though.

[coheneran]

Oh man, Salvatore rocks my world. When I was in school I got my English teacher to order every Salvatore book and had a great two terms reading them in order. And yes, amazing battle scenes, interesting characters and moral dilemmas, and wonderfully written plots. I also really liked Ursula LeGuin's City of Illusions, not to mention the Wizard if Earthsea quartet. I haven't read much else though.=(

Ooh damn, forgot to mention Terry Pratchett.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

I think Terry Pratchett made the single best quote about fantasy writing ever when he said that "most fantasy writers are just re-arranging the furniture in Tolkien's living room". It appears we have something we agree on Coheneran...

[Mr. Ron]

Oh man, Salvatore rocks my world. When I was in school I got my English teacher to order every Salvatore book and had a great two terms reading them in order. And yes, amazing battle scenes, interesting characters and moral dilemmas, and wonderfully written plots. I also really liked Ursula LeGuin's City of Illusions, not to mention the Wizard if Earthsea quartet. I haven't read much else though.=(

Ooh damn, forgot to mention Terry Pratchett.

I just finished the Two swords. Really good.

I liked I enjoyed The crystal shard a lot.


I really don't like Wulfgar. :[

[DBoons Ghost]

My reading of Salvatore is limited to the Drizzt books, and anything that branched out from that.. Cleric's Quartet, the stories of Artemis Entreri etc etc..

George RR Martin is currently my favorite fantasy writer though. I've read all the popular ones, and Martin makes me happiest.

[Mr. Ron]

My reading of Salvatore is limited to the Drizzt books, and anything that branched out from that.. Cleric's Quartet, the stories of Artemis Entreri etc etc..

George RR Martin is currently my favorite fantasy writer though. I've read all the popular ones, and Martin makes me happiest.

What does he mainly write about?

[DBoons Ghost]

What does he mainly write about?

Well, fantasy. Much like the rest, he builds a world, characters.. good versus evil etc etc..

It's just Martin writes adult fantasy. People actually take dumps and have sex in his books, and they step off the path to take a leak..

Plus he kills characters purposely after you've fallen in love with them.

[coheneran]

Plus he kills characters purposely after you've fallen in love with them.

Malicious bastard.

[DBoons Ghost]

Malicious bastard.

Yeah but it rules.

I highly recommend the Song of Ice and Fire series.

The first book to buy would be "A Game of Thrones"

[Mr. Ron]

Malicious bastard.

One day Drizzt will die. ;]

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

Martin is the only halfway technically accomplished writer of the lot mentioned so far. His books were at least very entertaining.

But Jordan and Salvatore are absolute shite.

[PerpetualBurn]

Stephen Donaldson ftw.

Except when his characters sulk like little girls for chapters at a time.

[thedeadwalk!]

When it comes to fantasy, I'm limited to K.A. Applegate with her Everworld series. She also did Animorphs. :(

Is there some rule for fantasy authors to use initials?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Got to love that HP Lovecraft, though.

I read "the shadow over innsmouth"...

It was alright, I guess. Not my usual genre.

[Iskandar]

I also really liked Ursula LeGuin's City of Illusions, not to mention the Wizard if Earthsea quartet. I haven't read much else though.=(
Have you read The Dispossessed? I have a feeling you'd like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispossessed

[Africa]

Have you guys read Starship Troopers I've been meaning to read that.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Fair 'nuff.

It would be hilarious if Bush called the terrorists around the world "The Rebel Alliance."

:lol:yes!:lol:

Bush do this NOW



:lol: There's a tradition amongst my group of friends that when we watch star wars (oft in the morning after a hard night partying) that wwe always cheer on the empire

[coheneran]

Have you guys read Starship Troopers I've been meaning to read that.

Lol everyone knows sci-fi is for geeks and nerds.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Lol everyone knows sci-fi is for geeks and nerds.

lol everyone knows that drinking and sexes is for stupid high school jocks lol

[coheneran]

And punx.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

And punx.

dude falling in love is so punk rock

[coheneran]

'Tis.

[Iskandar]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UVFc1MzLEC8

My life is now complete. Allah ackbar!

[Mr. Ron]

Dropper, why are you so interested in Islamic culture?

[Iskandar]

Dropper, why are you so interested in Islamic culture?
You know, I have no idea. I have my girlfriend whom I <3, my friends, hanging out and partying on the weekends etc. but then I have some really obscure, arcane interests which is what I do at 4 am on Wikipedia.

[Mr. Ron]

Haha I see. I have those too.

Turning into a capitalist I see?

[spitfirejunky]

Not anymore. :lol:

[Iskandar]

Haha I see. I have those too.

Turning into a capitalist I see?
I wanted to pull a Tway and argue a parody of the polar opposite of my views, but it didn't work. But playing a capitalist is refreshing. It feels so good to have the status quo on your side for a change.

[Mr. Ron]

I wanted to pull a Tway and argue a parody of the polar opposite of my views, but it didn't work. But playing a capitalist is refreshing. It feels so good to have the status quo on your side for a change.

Welcome to the dark side.


/evil sneer

[Iskandar]

Welcome to the dark side.


/evil sneer
Oh, I plan to be far to the right of you. I'm going to be the reincarnation of Milton Friedman.

Why are you such a committed cappie, anyway? I figured you'd be sitting on the economic fence or something.

[Mr. Ron]

Oh, I plan to be far to the right of you. I'm going to be the reincarnation of Milton Friedman.

Why are you such a committed cappie, anyway? I figured you'd be sitting on the economic fence or something.

I'm in favor of mixed economies and I actually like some aspects of communist economic theory and some socialist programs. So I'm pretty moderate economically.

[Iskandar]

I'm in favor of mixed economies and I actually like some aspects of communist economic theory and some socialist programs. So I'm pretty moderate economically.
I like this.

You should consider becoming a social democrat, like Denmark or Sweden.:wave:

[Mr. Ron]

I like this.

You should consider becoming a social democrat, like Denmark or Sweden.:wave:

I'm a fan of mixed capitalism, right now anyways. Sometimes it depends on the mood I'm in. After a long day of work I lean towards socialism more. :p

[Iskandar]

I'm a fan of mixed capitalism, right now anyways.
Well, social democracy is like capitalism if crazy commies were in government. It's a very moderate approach to socialism, relying on a mixed economy and extensive social programs while retaining the private ownership of capitalism.
Social democracy is a political ideology that emerged out of classical socialism in the late 19th century. Many social democratic parties have embraced 'Third Way' ideology.

The Socialist International (SI) – the worldwide organisation of social democratic and democratic socialist parties – defines social democracy as an ideal form of liberal democracy that can solve the problems found in unregulated capitalism.
I think you'd like it.
Sometimes it depends on the mood I'm in. After a long day of work I lean towards socialism more. :p
Ah, now you see our rationale for wanting to construct the socialist order.:o

[Mr. Ron]

Well, social democracy is like capitalism if crazy commies were in government. It's a very moderate approach to socialism, relying on a mixed economy and extensive social programs while retaining the private ownership of capitalism.

I think you'd like it.

Ah, now you see our rationale for wanting to construct the socialist order.:o

Don't get me wrong, there are definetly lessons learned and life skills adapted from working hard, but I just don't like slogging through a 8-9 hour day a $7.00 Stuffing people's faces only to have Uncle Sam reach into my paycheck and take half of it.

[Iskandar]

Don't get me wrong, there are definetly lessons learned and life skills adapted from working hard, but I just don't like slogging through a 8-9 hour day a $7.00 Stuffing people's faces only to have Uncle Sam reach into my paycheck and take half of it.
Ah, but neither do I.:o

If anything I'd say you should be taxed less and the Forbes 500s of this world taxed a hell of a lot more. Oh, and maybe raising your wage/lowering your hours.

[Mr. Ron]

Ah, but neither do I.:o

If anything I'd say you should be taxed less and the Forbes 500s of this world taxed a hell of a lot more. Oh, and maybe raising your wage/lowering your hours.

Thats good in theory but numerous problems arise from doing something like raising minimum wage any higher than it already is.

[Iskandar]

Thats good in theory but numerous problems arise from doing something like raising minimum wage any higher than it already is.
Small increases tend to be worth the cost for the vast majority. Just don't rock the boat too much.

[Smokey D]

Ah, but neither do I.:o

If anything I'd say you should be taxed less and the Forbes 500s of this world taxed a hell of a lot more. Oh, and maybe raising your wage/lowering your hours.

Lowering hours is far more damaging than you'd think.

Unless the average worker is doing something ridiculous like 60 hours a week.

[YDtoad]

Oh come on don't be pansy's, mods. The PLO are experts at putting out propaganda. This is fact. It's not racist or over the top to say that. Just look at Jenin, at that awful "documentary", at the beach incident, etc.

[coheneran]

Oh come on don't be pansy's, mods. The PLO are experts at putting out propaganda. This is fact. It's not racist or over the top to say that.

You've just turned me into a reactionary. Well done.

Actually, the PLO are pretty bad at propaganda compared to the Israeli government and the IDF. That's why they're not as internationally supported as Israel.

[YDtoad]

You've just turned me into a reactionary. Well done.

Dude you were an extremist reactionary long before you read that post :smash: :p

[coheneran]

No, I'm not reactionary in the least, usually.

However, your Flag of Goliath pissed me off so much I had to turn my avatar into the Flag of David.

[Iskandar]

Lowering hours is far more damaging than you'd think.

Unless the average worker is doing something ridiculous like 60 hours a week.
Yeah, that's what I want to prevent.

[Mr. Ron]

I think lowering the work day to be 6 hours is a good idea, but then it would vary from job to job.

[lunchforthesky]

I think lowering the work day to be 6 hours is a good idea, but then it would vary from job to job.

how on earth would minimum wage families feed themselves on only the wages from 6 hour a day jobs?

[Iskandar]

how on earth would minimum wage families feed themselves on only the wages from 6 hour a day jobs?
Yet another problem. That's economics.

[YDtoad]

Exactly that's why it could never work. People should work more, not less.

[Iskandar]

Exactly that's why it could never work. People should work more, not less.
You trollin' me?

People should above all work better than more if they want to be more productive.

[YDtoad]

You trollin' me?


Haha. That last little bit was intentionally over the top.


People should above all work better than more if they want to be more productive.

Well duh :p My dad works with people who don't work half the time they're on the job. Hey, public sector job, you have to be a major dipwad to get fired.

[Mr. Ron]

how on earth would minimum wage families feed themselves on only the wages from 6 hour a day jobs?

That is after minimum wage is raised.

[lunchforthesky]

That is after minimum wage is raised.

aah okay thats fine :)

[Smokey D]

I think lowering the work day to be 6 hours is a good idea, but then it would vary from job to job.

They tried that in France. It destroyed the economy.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

They tried that in France. It destroyed the economy.

LAziness destroyed their economy


ohburn

[PerpetualBurn]

Too much surrendering ruined their economy.

PerpetualBurn 1 - 0 France

In other, more amazing news:

Watford 0 - 1 Sheffield United

Apparently Keele doesn't have many Sheffield United fans. I think they were surprised to see a Blades shirt and then surprised again when I shouted loudly when we scored.

[YDtoad]

Hmmm still can't access the pit so I just have to post here...

[Apollyon]

That is after minimum wage is raised.

When you raise minimum wage, you raise inflation. When you raise inflation, you decrease the overall value of our currency. As it is, just a few years ago our dollar was about equal to the euro. Now it's about two of our dollars to one euro.

[YDtoad]

That happened without the minimum wage being raised :o

[Apollyon]

That's because America is like one of those low-flow toilets - you flush and flush and it keeps getting more and more backed up with ****, and by the time you finally get it flush through, someone else is ready to **** all over it.

[YDtoad]

Hmmm I've never seen it put that way :lol:

Inflation is inevitable; steady, gradual increases in the minimum wage won't have much of an effect on it. If you go out and do something stupid, like raise it 25% all at once, you'll run into trouble.

[griftadan]

When you raise minimum wage, you raise inflation. When you raise inflation, you decrease the overall value of our currency. As it is, just a few years ago our dollar was about equal to the euro. Now it's about two of our dollars to one euro.

well i'd blame the fed and our relentless spending for the inflaiton before i'd blame minimum wage, that just usually leads to higher unemployment, i.e., most of europe.

[thedeadwalk!]

/just wearing in my new avatar.

[Smokey D]

When you raise minimum wage, you raise inflation. When you raise inflation, you decrease the overall value of our currency. As it is, just a few years ago our dollar was about equal to the euro. Now it's about two of our dollars to one euro.

You have to take into account a lot more variables than minimum wage to determine inflation. But anyway, inflation only errodes real value of the dollar, not how much it's worth compared to other currencies. Exchange rate is determined by supply and demand of currency, which is influenced by things like interest and general economic activity. The Eurozone is larger than the American market, and has been showing signs of growth, prompting banks to raise interest rates. That's why the dollar has depreciated against the Euro.

[Charlie Manson]

sup smokey D how are you?

[Smokey D]

Pretty chillin'. Applying for law school soon.

[Charlie Manson]

I'm trying to pick up chicks on the internet:

http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13722461#post13722461

[The_Passenger]

I'm trying to pick up chicks on the internet:

http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13722461#post13722461

:lol:

And good luck with law school Smokey. I think that lawyer is near the bottom of lists of jobs I'd like to do, but if that's what you wanna do go for it. Out of interest what area of law are you looking at specialising in? Like property, for example.

[Smokey D]

I've always liked the idea of international law (not necessarily prosecuting war crimes, just reconciling differences in legal systems), but from the papers I've sat already, I'm no longer sure. I'm probably wouldn't be the best at courtroom law, but I do like the logic and reasoning that goes into it.

[Mr. Ron]

I've always liked the idea of international law (not necessarily prosecuting war crimes, just reconciling differences in legal systems), but from the papers I've sat already, I'm no longer sure. I'm probably wouldn't be the best at courtroom law, but I do like the logic and reasoning that goes into it.

I wouldn't be comfortable with other people from different countries deciding my fate.

[coheneran]

I wouldn't be comfortable with other people from different countries deciding my fate.

And yet all we go on about is human rights this and human rights that, where human rights are just another way to conform societies we don't agree with into our way of living.

[Mr. Ron]

And yet all we go on about is human rights this and human rights that, where human rights are just another way to conform societies we don't agree with into our way of living.

Huh? Explain more please.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

I've always liked the idea of international law (not necessarily prosecuting war crimes, just reconciling differences in legal systems), but from the papers I've sat already, I'm no longer sure. I'm probably wouldn't be the best at courtroom law, but I do like the logic and reasoning that goes into it.

I was interested in law because I liked debating and all my teachers told me to check it out. Did work experience at a firm and realized it was about 0.05% courtroom drama 99.95% boring boring boring. So I decided to become a journalist instead. It gives me an excuse to chainsmoke, wear a fedora and be drunk all the time :)

[coheneran]

Huh? Explain more please.

Before I do, I just wanna make clear that it's not my opinion yet. I first came across the idea at a party a few weeks ago while talking to a human rights law student. It got me thinking, and I'm still thinking about it, but I figure it's better to reach a conclusion through public discussion than private meditations. So, just to throw the idea out there:

Human rights laws are Western society's rules for living and being, right? Even though we break them from time to time, whether it's our own citizens we mistreat or foreigners, on the whole it's what we live by. I'm not an expert on it, but the student explained to me that the Human Rights Act and its various accompanying acts (which are considered part of the same package or something) not only include the right to life, to water, to free speech etc, but they also include guidelines/rules (she was a bit hazy on whether they're guidelines or rules, or maybe I was just drunk) for building an economy, and how the different relationships in the society (ie. government > citizens, police > criminals, business > government, etc) should work. This is wrong in the sense that it forces societies that don't run like ours, yet are happy enough as they are, to conform to these rules, otherwise they'll get sanctioned or generally have a bad image to the rest of the world. An example is Central Asia, which is heavily tribalistic. We immediately assume that there's no democracy and women have to wear veils and children aren't allowed to play with balls, and so "It's horrendous! We must do something about it! We must teach these people human rights!" Then what happens is that societies that have been based on tribal relationships, and within those, societal relationships that are different to ours (whether they be less or more egalitarian), are forced to change according to our standards. While I agree that human rights is good because it helps stop sexist, racist and ageist traditions, it can also break apart societies that I consider more advanced than ours. For example, in Australasia there are many egalitarian tribes that have functioned for thousands and thousands of years, the same in South and Central America, and some in Africa as well, and these societies are and will be broken apart and forced to change themselves into modern industrialised capitalistic societies, and I think that's wrong.

As you can see, I'm split on this issue, so I'm not fully condemning or fully supporting human rights, but it's an interesting issue, isn't it?

[AlienEater]

Yes, it is.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

When you raise minimum wage, you raise inflation. When you raise inflation, you decrease the overall value of our currency. As it is, just a few years ago our dollar was about equal to the euro. Now it's about two of our dollars to one euro.

yes but the pound is just as strong as it ever was and our minimum wage is pretty high

[coheneran]

Yeah, it was just raised by twenty pence a month ago.

[Mr. Ron]

You guys, I think I'm slowly turning into a socialist. :-o

[coheneran]

Nothing wrong with changing, just make sure it's what you believe in, not that it's logical.

[Mr. Ron]

Nothing wrong with changing, just make sure it's what you believe in, not that it's logical.

Meh, not so sure as of now. I just find myself agreeing more and more with socialist ideas.

[coheneran]

You should take the political compass test again, see what you get.

[pedro durruti]

It happens to the best of us, Ron.
Before I do, I just wanna make clear that it's not my opinion yet. I first came across the idea at a party a few weeks ago while talking to a human rights law student. It got me thinking, and I'm still thinking about it, but I figure it's better to reach a conclusion through public discussion than private meditations. So, just to throw the idea out there:

Human rights laws are Western society's rules for living and being, right? Even though we break them from time to time, whether it's our own citizens we mistreat or foreigners, on the whole it's what we live by. I'm not an expert on it, but the student explained to me that the Human Rights Act and its various accompanying acts (which are considered part of the same package or something) not only include the right to life, to water, to free speech etc, but they also include guidelines/rules (she was a bit hazy on whether they're guidelines or rules, or maybe I was just drunk) for building an economy, and how the different relationships in the society (ie. government > citizens, police > criminals, business > government, etc) should work. This is wrong in the sense that it forces societies that don't run like ours, yet are happy enough as they are, to conform to these rules, otherwise they'll get sanctioned or generally have a bad image to the rest of the world. An example is Central Asia, which is heavily tribalistic. We immediately assume that there's no democracy and women have to wear veils and children aren't allowed to play with balls, and so "It's horrendous! We must do something about it! We must teach these people human rights!" Then what happens is that societies that have been based on tribal relationships, and within those, societal relationships that are different to ours (whether they be less or more egalitarian), are forced to change according to our standards. While I agree that human rights is good because it helps stop sexist, racist and ageist traditions, it can also break apart societies that I consider more advanced than ours. For example, in Australasia there are many egalitarian tribes that have functioned for thousands and thousands of years, the same in South and Central America, and some in Africa as well, and these societies are and will be broken apart and forced to change themselves into modern industrialised capitalistic societies, and I think that's wrong.

As you can see, I'm split on this issue, so I'm not fully condemning or fully supporting human rights, but it's an interesting issue, isn't it?
I agree with where you're going, but what makes some indigenous societies better than larger, dominant ones? I mean, there were many peaceful egalitarian societies but were deeply rooted in religion. They also weren't very large, and efficiency is good, no matter how bad it's displayed in the world now.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Yeah, it was just raised by twenty pence a month ago.

It's pretty weird but I actually support a fairly high mionimum wage despite being mr centre

I think there has to be an incentive for those at the bottom of the exmployment ladder to work and that more people working is better than everyone

it's also a fair and simple way of taxing businesses of large size (=> lots of employees)

[thedeadwalk!]

I agree with where you're going, but what makes some indigenous societies better than larger, dominant ones?
It's not about better or worse.

I mean, there were many peaceful egalitarian societies but were deeply rooted in religion. They also weren't very large, and efficiency is good, no matter how bad it's displayed in the world now.
This is what coheneran was talking about. You see yourself doing something good for them, but don't realize they're perfectly happy as they are. Even if they aren't, just exposing them to outside culture is enough to get them to change, not forcing them to. In African tribes where young girls get their faces tattooed or lips pierced to fit a plate, some are refusing to do so as they see more and more women around the world not having to do this.

As for my thinking: treat them like the Amish would. Expose them to the world, and if they come back great, if not, that's their choice. If you start doing something for the sake of efficiency, or whatever other benefit, you're doing it for selfish reasons. Sure, they're not going to be able to make the best decision, but you have to start somewhere (just not telling them their religion is wrong and Jesus is their lord and savior).

[pedro durruti]

It's not about better or worse.


This is what coheneran was talking about. You see yourself doing something good for them, but don't realize they're perfectly happy as they are. Even if they aren't, just exposing them to outside culture is enough to get them to change, not forcing them to. In African tribes where young girls get their faces tattooed or lips pierced to fit a plate, some are refusing to do so as they see more and more women around the world not having to do this.

As for my thinking: treat them like the Amish would. Expose them to the world, and if they come back great, if not, that's their choice. If you start doing something for the sake of efficiency, or whatever other benefit, you're doing it for selfish reasons. Sure, they're not going to be able to make the best decision, but you have to start somewhere (just not telling them their religion is wrong and Jesus is their lord and savior).

Err, I meant to say advanced.

Basically what I meant was being as egalitarian and peaceful as many of them were, they still lacked some qualities that would also fit under an advanced society. Departure from religion, which I value as a great advancement for any group of humans, even it's not an entire departure. I don't really know how to explain what I meant by being efficient, because I have only a vague idea.

[coheneran]

The point was, it doesn't matter if they were xenophobic anus-worshippers, we have no right to tell them how to run their society. Sure we can show them another way, but we shouldn't coerce them into doing anything. I know it's weakass rhetoric, but if we truly believe our way of life is better, we shouldn't need to coerce anyone into living like us.

[Smokey D]

The thing is, though, there are some practises which some societies seem happy and willing to continue that are absolutely abhorent. Things like honour killings in many Muslim countries where a woman can be killed for extra-marital sex, even if it's rape, should be stamped out. However, in many instances the majority of the society (or at least, the majority of the people who hold the power in the society) think it should be continued. That's a problem.

For the record, international instruments are only guidelines unless they are internally ratified, and countries can often opt out of specific clauses. Further, the vast majority of such treaties specify a need to safeguard cultures and beliefs.

I was interested in law because I liked debating and all my teachers told me to check it out. Did work experience at a firm and realized it was about 0.05% courtroom drama 99.95% boring boring boring. So I decided to become a journalist instead. It gives me an excuse to chainsmoke, wear a fedora and be drunk all the time

I like reading cases and stuff though.

[Charlie Manson]

smokey what is your aim or msn?

[Smokey D]

I don't use one.

[Charlie Manson]

well isn't that brillaint :-|

[lunchforthesky]

The point was, it doesn't matter if they were xenophobic anus-worshippers, we have no right to tell them how to run their society. Sure we can show them another way, but we shouldn't coerce them into doing anything. I know it's weakass rhetoric, but if we truly believe our way of life is better, we shouldn't need to coerce anyone into living like us.

but isnt there something's which are jsut so out of order we have to do somehting. sharia law? cannibalism in fiji? i forget what it is called but the hindu practice where the wife of a man throws herself on her cremation fire. i know this is banned but it does happen in remote india.

[Iskandar]

i forget what it is called but the hindu practice where the wife of a man throws herself on her cremation fire. i know this is banned but it does happen in remote india.
You might see it spelled sati/suti/suttee etc. It's become quite uncommon in modern times.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

I like reading cases and stuff though.


Well all power to you man, law definatly must be your thing, coz that sh'it drove me round the bend.

[Iskandar]

Meh, not so sure as of now. I just find myself agreeing more and more with socialist ideas.
Cool. You don't have to be a fanatic or anything.:)

[Amit]

but isnt there something's which are jsut so out of order we have to do somehting.

backwards cultural practices are only reformed from the inside

you can give a typewriter to a monkey to bang on but it won't be pumping out sonnets anytime soon because it's still a god damn monkey

[PerpetualBurn]

How big a monkey?

[thedeadwalk!]

Oh, man. I just found a painting of a guy from one of my nightmares. This is the first I've seen it, and the guy's (Rene Magritte) other works are cool, too.

http://www.artinvest2000.com/magritte_pleasure_principle.jpg

EDIT: Okay, after seeing his other stuff, he's definitely my new favorite.

[Africa]

Woah, he's so corporate.

[thedeadwalk!]

He's got to fit in somehow.

[veggie 3.14]

'sup y'all?

Nothing much going on for me. At all.

[PerpetualBurn]

We're having a block party again tonight.

Last time we woke up and there was paint all over the walls. The cleaners went apeshit.

Should be a good laugh though. Playing centurion again as well, so I get to show off my drinking skills.

[veggie 3.14]

We're having a block party again tonight.

Last time we woke up and there was paint all over the walls. The cleaners went apeshit.

Should be a good laugh though. Playing centurion again as well, so I get to show off my drinking skills.

Sveet.

Well, there's a big party going down this Friday, but I really cannot be bothered to go. I just don't know half of the kids going, and the last time I went to one, I had major paranoia attacks.

The fact that people were going at it in the bushes behind me really, really didn't help.

[PerpetualBurn]

Well I kind of don't have a choice but to go to this one. There's a party happening right outside my room whether I like it or not, so I may as well get pissed out of my head and enjoy it.

[coheneran]

So basically we're breaking into a building this Sunday to open a new social centre.

[veggie 3.14]

So basically we're breaking into a building this Sunday to open a new social centre.

Sweet.

I went to a philosophy conference today. Not too shabby, as it happens. Peter Vardy was speaking, if anyone knows of him.

A teacher of mine that went is also a complete legend, as we discovered: he's got drunk with Iron Madien, for christ's sake!

Also, he's friends with the guys from Funeral For A Friend, although he doesn't like their music. :lol:

[coheneran]

Can anybody tell what this is:

http://i14.tinypic.com/2agkmcy.jpg

[ringworm]

the kid who got tasered? :)

[coheneran]

Well, so long as you don't think it's a monkey and a radiation suit.

[sweboy]

It's Steve-O and the midget from Jackass, fused together after another spectacular stunt.

[Africa]

http://www.jokejunk.zoomshare.com/album/Animated%20Fun/images/37eb0008e985741e11ef9bd59e88a7a6_11359516090/image.jpg

Hardy har.

[thedeadwalk!]

They nuked Japan? WHY!?

[YDtoad]

Man PNWI is slowwwwwww tonight.

[AlienEater]

http://www.jokejunk.zoomshare.com/album/Animated%20Fun/images/37eb0008e985741e11ef9bd59e88a7a6_11359516090/image.jpg

Hardy har.

That really isn't funny. I assume it was meant to be, but it pretty much sucks.

[Africa]

That really isn't funny. I assume it was meant to be, but it pretty much sucks.

Calm down don't overreact.

[stevensonmat2]

Haha I thought it was good for a chuckle.

[AlienEater]

It was terrible

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Well, I smiled when i saw afica was labelled empty.

[thedeadwalk!]

Still, not as good as the End of the World flash:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

also

#come see the lions
only in kenya#...

[thedeadwalk!]

:lol:

A friend of mine came to school high singing that.

[Hababi]

I'm back, Med don't find a reason to BS ban me from this post :smash: :p

[veggie 3.14]

Bought two new albums today:

Nick Drake- Pink Moon, and
Tool- 10,000 Days.

Pink Moon is absolutely awesome, and the Tool I haven't really given a proper listen yet, but I've enjoyed it so far.

:)

[Hababi]

eww tool

[veggie 3.14]

eww tool

Screw you Zero, if that's you.

[Hababi]

Yup I'm unbanned FINALLY thanks for the screwjob Med leave a better tip next time :o :p :evil:

[veggie 3.14]

Yup I'm unbanned FINALLY thanks for the screwjob Med leave a better tip next time :o :p :evil:

Okay Zero, seeing as I don't actually know, what sort of music/bands do you like?

[Hababi]

Okay Zero, seeing as I don't actually know, what sort of music/bands do you like?

A lot.

Today I had on Jon Auer, Bach and Buddy Rich. Oh then Maroon 5.

[veggie 3.14]

A lot.

Today I had on Jon Auer, Bach and Buddy Rich. Oh then Maroon 5.

Maroon 5?

/Slams head into wall.

Not a particular fan of Bach.

:lol:

Beethoven for me, thanks.

[Hababi]

I love Maroon 5, very catchy stuff.

I like Beethoven too but I lost my Beethoven CD :( Looking to get a Mozart CD at Christmas. And finally buy a the complete Robert Johnson recordings.

Bach's preludes are beautiful.

Don't dare knock Buddy Rich, he'll rise from the grave and pimp slap you down for it.

[veggie 3.14]

I love Maroon 5, very catchy stuff.

I like Beethoven too but I lost my Beethoven CD :( Looking to get a Mozart CD at Christmas. And finally buy a the complete Robert Johnson recordings.

Bach's preludes are beautiful.

Don't dare knock Buddy Rich, he'll rise from the grave and pimp slap you down for it.
Did I knock him? Non.

Beethoven's Fifth for me, thank you very much. And Robert Johnson is awesome.

[Hababi]

Did I knock him? Non.


Exactly. I figured you realized that, but just in case, I'd remind you.


Beethoven's Fifth for me, thank you very much. And Robert Johnson is awesome.

I prefer his ninth but the fifth is good too.

[veggie 3.14]

Exactly. I figured you realized that, but just in case, I'd remind you.



I prefer his ninth but the fifth is good too.

:lol:

You a fan of Nick Drake, then?

I'm assuming you hate Tool.

[Hababi]

I've actually never heard Nick Drake's music :p

And yes, I hate Tool. I hate Maynard Keenan; I think he's a pompous overblown idiot. Though there are two APC songs that I think are beautiful (no, Judas isn't one of them).

[veggie 3.14]

:-p

Currently listening to: The Streets- The Irony Of It All.

Genius.

Search on Youtube for it people!

[Hababi]

I would if I had a working sound card :(

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

I love Maroon 5, very catchy stuff.

I like Beethoven too but I lost my Beethoven CD :( Looking to get a Mozart CD at Christmas. And finally buy a the complete Robert Johnson recordings.

Bach's preludes are beautiful.

Don't dare knock Buddy Rich, he'll rise from the grave and pimp slap you down for it.

Hey zero you heard the "robert johnson is played too fast" conspiracy? ;)

Also do you like son house?

son house > robert johnson

[Hababi]

Hey zero you heard the "robert johnson is played too fast" conspiracy? ;)

Also do you like son house?

son house > robert johnson

He's good but I think Johnson was the greatest. And I haven't heard that conspiracy:p