PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Iscariot]

Personally, I was turned off by the way it sounded a few years ago, but i slowly began to realize that they're trying to achieve an atmosphere of hatred and rejection of modern society, so I suppose the raw and low fi sound is appropriate.

ahahahaha

ron i didn't realize you were such an arrrrgh anti-establishment fag

what happened to you being sensitive and artsy

and black metal is horrible it's not an acquired taste it's a lack of refined taste

[Mr. Ron]

ahahahaha

ron i didn't realize you were such an arrrrgh anti-establishment fag

what happened to you being sensitive and artsy

and black metal is horrible it's not an acquired taste it's a lack of refined taste

what

who said I agreed with the ideology? I was just explaining what it all meant and why.

and when was I ever "sensitive and artsy"?



Now go sit in the corner and continue to do nothing with your life plz. Oh hold on, you want to be a doctor, right? Good luck still getting that high school diploma.

[Reaganista]

Music you have in common includes Bob Dylan, Neutral Milk Hotel, Aphex Twin, Cat Power and Johnny Cash.
well at least u like neutral milk hotel

[808]

oh hey, I like cursive

They should have called it quits after The Ugly Organ, IMHO.

[Reaganista]

everyone should quit right before they make anything that ppl actually like

[808]

Happy Hollows is awful. :(

[Reaganista]

wats that

[808]

The Cursive album that came after The Ugly Organ.

[Reaganista]

idk albums

[siva_chair]

No surprise there you don't know lots of things.

[Reaganista]

hay is ur lawnmower running

[808]

I know albums.

[siva_chair]

hay is ur lawnmower running

Don't know probably but it's getting to be winter don't need to mow my lawn.

[mph4ever]

whenever i think of metal and its followers i think of this

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/tjcaleb/finnish-monster-rock-band-lordi-2rd.jpg

[808]

I think of a fat dude with long hair and a wispy beard wearing one of those generic metal t-shirts and black Dickies. He likes playing Magic: The Gathering with his friends in his parents' basement.

[mph4ever]

I think of a fat dude with long hair and a wispy beard wearing one of those generic metal t-shirts and black Dickies. He likes playing Magic: The Gathering with his friends in his parents' basement.

yellow socks with black polka dots and worn out sneakers

[Dr Hooch]

the metalheads at uni piss me off no end

YOU ALL LOOK THE SAME AND THAT 'SAME' IS THOROUGHLY UNNATRACTIVE

YOU'RE EVERYTHING YOU CLAIM TO DESPISE AND WORSE

[PerpetualBurn]

The "Rock Appreciation" society at my uni is basically a big club for them all to group together and be unbelievably cliquey. I vowed never to go never again back in my first year after the DJ told me the heaviest thing he had was Disturbed. I vomited instantly when I found I was in a place that had people who like Disturbed.

I turned up once at the bar they take out on Tuesdays wearing a football shirt. I've never seen so much disturbance caused by one man's attire.

[Iskandar]

do you guys think that things can have inherent value?No, value is subjective and determined by marginal utility.

[Reaganista]

Don't know probably but it's getting to be winter don't need to mow my lawn.

u gettin ready to shovel driveways then

[Reaganista]

I think of a fat dude with long hair and a wispy beard wearing one of those generic metal t-shirts and black Dickies. He likes playing Magic: The Gathering with his friends in his parents' basement.

mtg is leet

[808]

The "Rock Appreciation" society at my uni is basically a big club for them all to group together and be unbelievably cliquey. I vowed never to go never again back in my first year after the DJ told me the heaviest thing he had was Disturbed. I vomited instantly when I found I was in a place that had people who like Disturbed.

I turned up once at the bar they take out on Tuesdays wearing a football shirt. I've never seen so much disturbance caused by one man's attire.

come on bro get down wit da sixkness

[Mr. Ron]

No, value is subjective and determined by marginal utility.

I agree. I've been doing research on nihilism lately for a paper, and if you actually put it into proper perspective, its not what most people think it is. I don't adhere to it though, I just think its interesting.

The "Rock Appreciation" society at my uni is basically a big club for them all to group together and be unbelievably cliquey. I vowed never to go never again back in my first year after the DJ told me the heaviest thing he had was Disturbed. I vomited instantly when I found I was in a place that had people who like Disturbed.

I turned up once at the bar they take out on Tuesdays wearing a football shirt. I've never seen so much disturbance caused by one man's attire.

hahaha good man.




There is a rock/metal/punk club at my college and its surprisingly good. A lot of knowledgeable people who aren't douche bags or "ivory tower" philosophers.

[Reaganista]

wtf kind of colleges do u go 2

[Mr. Ron]

cool college

[808]

Skoel of Rawk.

[mph4ever]

punk rawk

[Iscariot]

what

who said I agreed with the ideology? I was just explaining what it all meant and why.

why do you listen to the music then capt. intellectual

and when was I ever "sensitive and artsy"?

when you were moaning in l&r about the coffee shop artsy girls you're into and how you're into smart passionate people

and now you listen to black metal :lol:

Now go sit in the corner and continue to do nothing with your life plz.

that's the plan for now

Oh hold on, you want to be a doctor, right?

i said i'd like to be, not that i was going to be, and in any case

Good luck still getting that high school diploma.

that's what they make community college for

i already have a GED so i can cut the diploma course in half

leave the trolling to those of us who are good at it thx

[Mr. Ron]

why do you listen to the music then capt. intellectual



when you were moaning in l&r about the coffee shop artsy girls you're into and how you're into smart passionate people

and now you listen to black metal :lol:



that's the plan for now



i said i'd like to be, not that i was going to be, and in any case



that's what they make community college for

i already have a GED so i can cut the diploma course in half

leave the trolling to those of us who are good at it thx

I listen to it because I like how it sounds. You don't have to agree with the ideology at all to enjoy it. Do you seriously think I hate modernity? Of course there are some things I do not like about modern society, but who doesn't? Otherwise I like modernity.


lol if anyone moans about women in L&R its you. I can tell you're bitter over women hurting you through out your life, so you claim that they're irrational, stupid etc etc...you're just trying to mask your own faults. You make broad and sweeping generalizations about all women and homogenize them all into one type or group and adhere to that thinking like its gospel. Why do you think most of the people that post there complete reject what you say? You're a misogynist plain and simple. You even say you hate people. Misanthropy is the true sign of a deeply wounded individual. I'm not saying this to insult you, I'm saying it because I think its true. ****, I actually like you, I just think you generalize way too much.

[Iscariot]

aw ron i like you too

as much as i can

but my feelings towards people have nothing to do with women

i've had one or two bad relationships, and they weren't the defining moments of my life

my feelings towards people come from other events which i can completely recognize and have nothing to do with women

and there are quite a few people who i've given good advice to and have been thanked by because contrary to your statement i'm in no way a woman hater

i just get the games they play and that goes for double for other men being that i am one

[mph4ever]

you lads are just sick, leave the kidz alone

[Mr. Ron]

aw ron i like you too

as much as i can

but my feelings towards people have nothing to do with women

i've had one or two bad relationships, and they weren't the defining moments of my life

my feelings towards people come from other events which i can completely recognize and have nothing to do with women

and there are quite a few people who i've given good advice to and have been thanked by because contrary to your statement i'm in no way a woman hater

i just get the games they play and that goes for double for other men being that i am one

ok so can we make out now? js

[Iscariot]

:-*

[Mr. Ron]

just let it happen

[Iscariot]

everyone needs to vote in my poal in the pit

if you don't know who hxcplisit is then just vote for telling him "shut up fag" every time he posts

[GreyHam]

The "Rock Appreciation" society at my uni is basically a big club for them all to group together and be unbelievably cliquey. I vowed never to go never again back in my first year after the DJ told me the heaviest thing he had was Disturbed. I vomited instantly when I found I was in a place that had people who like Disturbed.

I turned up once at the bar they take out on Tuesdays wearing a football shirt. I've never seen so much disturbance caused by one man's attire.

university rock societies are so often awful. at mine we have two - the rock society, and the 'alternative and goth society'. i got invited to do a DJ set at one of their joint functions. the president of the rock society wandered over halfway through my set and said 'i like it when you played SOAD earlier, but this is too heavy for me'. i was playing hatebreed

later, a gentleman resembling robert smith (to the extent of obvious fanboy) wandered over and asked me to 'stop playing this thrash ****. noone wants it. play classic rock'. i was playing the refused at the time

i hate students

[mph4ever]

you have a president of a rock society? oh ****

[Knifeboy]

The president of ROCK AND ROLL! \m/

kinda like being the coach of a chess team

[mph4ever]

suppose he wears a suit when he walks over to make sure everyone knows hes the prez

[Reaganista]

im passionate and artsy

cool college

everyone at my college was from asia

[PerpetualBurn]

There is a rock/metal/punk club at my college and its surprisingly good. A lot of knowledgeable people who aren't douche bags or "ivory tower" philosophers.

Well, the rock society here is semi-decent because they're so huge they have good sway at the SU and arrange some of the better club nights. But the actual social event they do weekly at one of the campus bars is incredibly cliquey. I actually lived with a girl last year who was a high-ranking member, and the level of schoolyard bitching was sickening.

It's also the only society larger than the poker society, of which I am the proud treasurer of.

university rock societies are so often awful. at mine we have two - the rock society, and the 'alternative and goth society'. i got invited to do a DJ set at one of their joint functions. the president of the rock society wandered over halfway through my set and said 'i like it when you played SOAD earlier, but this is too heavy for me'. i was playing hatebreed

later, a gentleman resembling robert smith (to the extent of obvious fanboy) wandered over and asked me to 'stop playing this thrash ****. noone wants it. play classic rock'. i was playing the refused at the time


As I say, it's so big that they aren't like the other societies with a few core members organising stuff for the rest, and mostly having small social meetings. They do big club nights, which means they have to please everyone there, which means pop-metal.

And Refused are ****ing awesome.

[jogerto]

perpetburn wuz always way cool if u ask me

[Reaganista]

poker isnt cool anymore

[McP3000]

it was cool freshman year in high school i must admit

[PerpetualBurn]

I take my poker very seriously.

Omaha eights or better gives me an erection.

[Reaganista]

omaha eights or better that's pot limit hi-lo right

[PerpetualBurn]

The "eights or better" means the low hand has to be eight or lower. You could play fives or better, but it would be gay. And you can play it pot, fixed, or no-limit. But fixed-limit poker is gay.

[Reaganista]

**** u ****ing homophobe

[McP3000]

lol tway

when me and my old hs friends played, we only played no limit hold em, and sometimes no limit omaha.

[PerpetualBurn]

There's a guy at my local casino that everyone calls Pol Pot because he's a rich Asian guy that pot bets every hand in omaha. Every hand. No exceptions.

**** u ****ing homophobe

Homophobia is so gay.

[jogerto]

no not cuz he play poker cuz he could lay the sickest burns ever nobody could burn perpetually like perpetual burn that man had srs pizazz

[PerpetualBurn]

I don't know who you are, but clearly you know me very well.

[jogerto]

wel i never posted in PNWI much but i have read your posts back in the day it was many lolz when they had that christian thred that i thought would never end but finally did that musta been over a year ago i guess

[Knifeboy]

fixed-limit poker is gay.

Fixed limit poker ****s other fixed limit pokers in the ***!

[McP3000]

**** **** balls

[witchxrapist]

Homophobia is so gay.
and your total unaccepting attitude towards traps isnt?

hypocritical prick

[808]

Instead of showing football highlights when there are no basketball, baseball, American football or hockey games, ESPN decided it would be better to show ****ing poker.

Poker is not a sport.

[Shell]

I saw paper-rock-scissors on ESPN once.

[PerpetualBurn]

and your total unaccepting attitude towards traps isnt?

hypocritical prick

The part of this that is really sad is that you were probably smirking inwardly as you typed this thinking you'd outsmarted me.

[Reaganista]

Dont Be A Phobe U Scum****er

[Iskandar]

of which I am the proud treasurer of.

[sweboy]

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iskander ?

[Iskandar]

Iskander is also the Arabic version of the name Alexander, after Alexander the Great.

[sweboy]

Iskander (NATO reporting name SS-26 Stone) is a short range, solid fuel propelled, road mobile theater quasiballistic missile system produced in Russia and adopted by the Russian Army in 2006.

[mph4ever]

its also the name of a kebab stall in dublin

[Iskandar]

It's Iskandar.

And it's kabab.

And falafil.

[mph4ever]

ok than!

[Iskandar]

Lal.

[mph4ever]

huhuhu

[Iskandar]

Irish people can't talk anyway. They're worse than British people.

[mph4ever]

hahahaha, they are, nice one

they do like kebabs from iskander's though

[Iskandar]

Top o' the mornin' te ye. 'Tis a fine soft day, praise be to Gawd.

[Mr. Ron]

I love Irish accents

[Iskandar]

I hate them. Scottish accents for the win.

[mph4ever]

most especially when they sound like darby o'gill

[Iskandar]

I don't know what that is. I just know Scottish English is awesome.

Lochhh.

[mph4ever]

Top o' the mornin' te ye. 'Tis a fine soft day, praise be to Gawd.

this is darbytalk

[Iskandar]

That's stereotypical Irish talk, not Scottish.

A whil' ye nae never come back?

[mph4ever]

who said it was scottish

[Mr. Ron]

Irish accents are way better than Scottish accents

[808]

Mr. Ron, you are a liar.

[mph4ever]

i like when chinese speak irish

taking your order - wa you wan?

you are standing in the wrong place - farq you

[Iskandar]

Irish accents are way better than Scottish accentsScots isna juist English written wi orra wirds an spellins. It haes its ain grammar an aw. If aw ye dae is tak an English text an chynge the spellins an swap a puckle wirds it'll juist be Scotched English an no Scots.

[PerpetualBurn]

I just ate a doner kebab.

[Iskandar]

I'm eating 70% dark chocolate and drinking green tea.

Wow, I'm a fag.

[mph4ever]

I'm eating 70% dark chocolate and drinking green tea.

Wow, I'm a fag.


only 70%?

[Iskandar]

Normally I prefer the 85% but this is what I have.

[mph4ever]

thats cool.

i like the higher stuff when i can get it.

i had some 80 last week, it was sooo bitter

[McP3000]

i dont like dark chocolate

[mph4ever]

racist

[808]

I don't like chocolate.

[Iskandar]

Dark chocolate is way better than milk chocolate.

Especially with coffee. Maaan.

[mph4ever]

i don't like coffee

[808]

Gross. I'd much rather have a slice of lemon cake and some tea.

:)

[mph4ever]

i like tea and dead pigs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-jxmCmI5k

[Iskandar]

Blasphemy. Coffee is awesome.

Tea isn't bad either. I'm drinking some right now.

[PerpetualBurn]

Life is like a box of chocolates.

I hate the blacks.

[Shell]

I hate the ones with fruit-flavored creams.

[808]

Raspberry filling can be quite nice.

[Dr Hooch]

i dont like dark chocolate

then you don't like chocolate at all

what you like is brown sugary butter

[Dave de Sylvia]

i don't like brown sugary butter or dark chocolate

[mph4ever]

i like black magic

[Iskandar]

I'm sure we can all agree that raspberry chocolate is the worst **** ever.

[McP3000]

then you don't like chocolate at all

what you like is brown sugary butter
if you want to be really technical and a jackass about terminology

but im going to just say that i like milk chocolate

[The_Passenger]

I'm sure we can all agree that raspberry chocolate is the worst **** ever.

i wasn't aware such a thing existed

who the hell thought that was a good idea?

[Mr. Ron]

I have a question for people that may be knowledgeable in the area of the brain.

Does our brain remember everything that has ever happened to us, everything we have ever experienced? Like, every second of our lives is recorded in our brains type deal. if so, are we just bad at recalling information from it?

[Dr Hooch]

I think memory is one of those things which is woefully under-understood, even by the people that understand it; but Amit would probably know.

[Mr. Ron]

I just started thinking of this a few days ago. If it is as i have described, and we could somehow harness the ability to recall any piece of information we've ever known....that would be wild.

[elmntrs]

the answer is eliminator

ron y u never online

[Mr. Ron]

I can't log on for some reason right now

I keep getting an error message :/

[Reaganista]

no one here knows anything

[BridgeToSolace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuaNplo2rvg&feature=related

fun

"How to write a political poem"

[Amit]

I have a question for people that may be knowledgeable in the area of the brain.

Does our brain remember everything that has ever happened to us, everything we have ever experienced? Like, every second of our lives is recorded in our brains type deal. if so, are we just bad at recalling information from it?

As Hooch said, it is woefully understood, but the current model accepted by the majority of neuroscientists is that the summation of perceptual and emotional events is transcoded into an incredibly complex code set of electrochemical signals and then it is thrown into here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_system

While everything is technically "recorded" by our brains, perceptual and emotional events which are deemed more significant to us overtake all other events in terms of how easily recallable their electrochemical signals are.

It's not that we are bad at recalling information, it's that our brains realize there's no evolutionary advantage for us to be able to remember all the banal and horribly boring events that happens throughout life.

[McP3000]

so technically its possible to remember everything even if it may never happen

interesting.

[Reaganista]

it's possible to remember stuff that didn't happen

[sweboy]

so technically its possible to remember everything even if it may never happen

interesting.

I'd estimate that it's technically extremely very impossible for the brain to remember every little piece of information that you experience, since I can't imagine that it could possibly store such ridiculous amounts of information (regardless of the mechanism of storage).

[ridethelib]

I just started thinking of this a few days ago. If it is as i have described, and we could somehow harness the ability to recall any piece of information we've ever known....that would be wild.

In a back issue of National geographic they feature a lady who is able to pick out a day on a calendar 10 20 30 or 40 years back and would be able to tell you what occurred on that day. There was a big feature on memory that issue.

[808]

She could have been lying.

[McP3000]

I'd estimate that it's technically extremely very impossible for the brain to remember every little piece of information that you experience, since I can't imagine that it could possibly store such ridiculous amounts of information (regardless of the mechanism of storage).
i purposely exaggerated the extent to which amit's statement could go

[Mr. Ron]

As Hooch said, it is woefully understood, but the current model accepted by the majority of neuroscientists is that the summation of perceptual and emotional events is transcoded into an incredibly complex code set of electrochemical signals and then it is thrown into here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_system

While everything is technically "recorded" by our brains, perceptual and emotional events which are deemed more significant to us overtake all other events in terms of how easily recallable their electrochemical signals are.

It's not that we are bad at recalling information, it's that our brains realize there's no evolutionary advantage for us to be able to remember all the banal and horribly boring events that happens throughout life.
Ok, thats what I thought.

[PerpetualBurn]

I'd estimate that it's technically extremely very impossible for the brain to remember every little piece of information that you experience, since I can't imagine that it could possibly store such ridiculous amounts of information (regardless of the mechanism of storage).

In terms of gradations of impossibility, I assume that technically extremely very impossible is the most impossible there is.

[jogerto]

wat about impossibly impossible isnt that technically very more impossble than impossible or is technically very more impossible more impossibly impossible than impossible

now im confused :(

[Iskandar]

Guys, what should I take at university? I'm so far leaning towards philosophy but art history is just so tempting.

[Der Übermensch]

Philosophy is my minor, but I wouldn't recommend majoring in it.

[spitfirejunky]

I'd imagine art history is a ton more interesting than philosophy. But what little philosophy I've taken (2 courses) makes me wish I wasn't in science.

[Iskandar]

I was joking when I said philosophy and art history.

Actually, I've narrowed it down to about five choices:

English & Professional Writing
Human Rights & Equity Studies
International Development Studies
Political Science
Social & Political Thought

There were more like Labour Studies and History but I decided to axe them.

[RockAndRoll]

Philosophy is way better than any of those things.

I'd imagine art history is a ton more interesting than philosophy. But what little philosophy I've taken (2 courses) makes me wish I wasn't in science.

I dunno about at McGill, but I know that here a lot of profs suck at teaching math/science and knowing how to make it vaguely interesting. Mind you, there are plenty of bad profs in every department I'm sure.

[Chu]

In a back issue of National geographic they feature a lady who is able to pick out a day on a calendar 10 20 30 or 40 years back and would be able to tell you what occurred on that day. There was a big feature on memory that issue.
By any chance was it 2 twins?
I remember seeing a documentary on two savant twins who could do something very similar.

[Der Übermensch]

Social and Political Thought!

[Iskandar]

Social and Political Thought!That one looks really cool. But I've heard good things about the Political Science program.
Philosophy is way better* than any of those things.
*useless

[Reaganista]

i shoulda majored in something else idk wat i was thinking doin history and poli sci

[RockAndRoll]

*useless

Maybe you should avoid english... and no, philosophy isn't useless.

[Dave de Sylvia]

philosophy at least promotes a bit of critical thinking, although people still come out taking nietzsche seriously so it can't be all that intensive

[Mr. Ron]

only untermensch say that

[Iskandar]

Maybe you should avoid english... and no, philosophy isn't useless.Feel free to enlighten me on the wide variety of exciting careers available in the field of philosophy.

[Der Übermensch]

It is great for getting into Law School...?

[Iskandar]

And for anything else ... ?

[Der Übermensch]

Hell if I know... thats why it's only my minor.

[Iskandar]

Well, since I have zero interest in law, I think it's safe to say it's off the list.

Political Science is looking good.

[Chu]

I think it would be pretty good to do a philosophy course.

There's a course available next semester, "PHIL1003 - Introduction to Philosophy and Logic" kind of interesting I hope.

[Reaganista]

poli sci is slightly worse for getting into law school and slightly better for finding jobs post law school and otherwise useless for all purposes as well

[Iskandar]

poli sci is slightly worse for getting into law school and slightly better for finding jobs post law school and otherwise useless for all purposes as wello almighty tway recommend for me a major which isn't completely and utterly useless

bearing in mind i don't have the prerequisites for any business or science programs

[Reaganista]

learn a bunch of languages arent you into that ****

combine that with poli sci and u might be useful to someone they called that international area studies at my school im not sure if that's a standard name or not though

[Iskandar]

learn a bunch of languages arent you into that ****

combine that with poli sci and u might be useful to someone they called that international area studies at my school im not sure if that's a standard name or not thoughglobal politics

ya i'm learning towelhead right now

[Reaganista]

well your country doesnt run the world so youll have less demand for it but theyll prolly find something to do with you
everyone in my department who wasnt going to lawl school or joining the armed forces was an arabic IAS student basically so do that

but what's with all the concern for what ur gonna do for a job i thought u were a commie when i started college finding a job was the last thing on my mind i wanted to avoid work as long as possible

[Iskandar]

yeah i kind of don't feel like being an eternal student i mean i found the blog of this guy who had two economics degrees but felt somehow that wasn't enough so now he's taking a phd in social and political thought

did i mention he's 36 years old and married

[Reaganista]

why's it better to be an 'eternal' worker **** that noise at least as much as being an eternal student

[spitfirejunky]

I dunno about at McGill, but I know that here a lot of profs suck at teaching math/science and knowing how to make it vaguely interesting. Mind you, there are plenty of bad profs in every department I'm sure.

Yeah I know exactly what you mean but even the content I personally find more interesting.

[Iskandar]

Math is never interesting.

[Aaron]

123
I mean, abc

[Chu]

Blasphemy.

[Aaron]

haha.
Chu, you're beyond maths. You're imaginary number-1 in my eyes.

[Iskandar]

I feel so sorry for anyone who actually takes math because they enjoy it.

[Chu]

Why?

Math is ****ing pro.

It's very much so a process (there are a few exceptions), it's more like "do this following these steps ..." then actually thinking.

My interpretational skills when bakehouse are pretty poor, but I can always read a math question and know how to answer it.

[Iskandar]

Why? Because math is ****ing boring.

[RockAndRoll]

Some math is sick. I mean come on, did you know that if you're coloring a map where no two adjacent parts are coloured the same colour you can always do it with 4 or fewer colours?

Or that you can't cross all seven bridges in kronenburg (or wherever, I think it's kronenburg) in one walk without recrossing at least one bridge in the process?

Or that if you're on a game show with three doors, with a goat behind two of them where you pick a door, and then the host opens one of the doors that has a goat behind it and asks if you'd like to switch to the other closed door that you should?

Card counting and winning tons of money at poker is also pretty cool.

Same with Game Theory stuff.

Math is sick if you're doing the right stuff.

[Iskandar]

Or that if you're on a game show with three doors, with a goat behind two of them where you pick a door, and then the host opens one of the doors that has a goat behind it and asks if you'd like to switch to the other closed door that you should?Can you uh state this again in a way that makes sense

[Reaganista]

if math means anything that involves a number then math is ok but game theory isnt math in the sense that math is used in the phrase 'math majors are gagging for it'

[The_Passenger]

Can you uh state this again in a way that makes sense

The scenario is there's a gameshow. There are three doors, two of them have a goat behind them. You pick a door. The gameshow host then opens one of the doors with a goat behind it. He then offers you the chance to switch the door you've picked to the other unopened door. The idea is you should switch doors because it's apparently more likely the goat is behind the other door.

I always thought that this came about because of a misundertanding about probability, I don't know maybe it's me who is misunderstanding.

[big80smullet]

its you who is misunderstanding. Basically when you first picked you had a 66% chance of picking a goat. when he reveals one goat, theres now two doors and the chance is now 50% to pick a goat so if you repick your chances of getting a goat have been lowered. its simple tbh

[fingers mccoy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_hall_problem

maths isnt common sense

[PunkItUp]

so obama is building roads and bridges

yay? :confused:

[808]

He may be building roads and bridges, but he's destroying our white Christian American culture that our fathers fought hard to preserve.

[Dr Hooch]

its you who is misunderstanding. Basically when you first picked you had a 66% chance of picking a goat. when he reveals one goat, theres now two doors and the chance is now 50% to pick a goat so if you repick your chances of getting a goat have been lowered. its simple tbh

doesn't work like that

That's Not Probability

[Der Übermensch]

He may be building roads and bridges, but he's destroying our white Christian American culture that our fathers fought hard to preserve.

Sarcasm, right?

[Dave de Sylvia]

kill the goats and take the car

[Murdererer]

obama is a big inspiration for me

a black man in the White house.... wow i thought i would never have seen this day back when they were a whipping boy done wrong they only counted as 2/5 of a vote and their master made them vote a certain way

i know most of you probably won't agree with me, but i believe in peace & love because im a modern day hippie

[Dave de Sylvia]

Wow. Leave, now.

[Iskandar]

You're such an elitest.

[Foehammer]

obama is a big inspiration for me

a black man in the White house.... wow i thought i would never have seen this day back when they were a whipping boy done wrong they only counted as 2/5 of a vote and their master made them vote a certain way

i know most of you probably won't agree with me, but i believe in peace & love because im a modern day hippie

your posts always make me feel so much better about my own

[RockAndRoll]

Can you uh state this again in a way that makes sense

haha, yes I could, but I'm too lazy. Just read the monty hall problem page on wikipedia that someone posted.

The scenario is there's a gameshow. There are three doors, two of them have a goat behind them. You pick a door. The gameshow host then opens one of the doors with a goat behind it. He then offers you the chance to switch the door you've picked to the other unopened door. The idea is you should switch doors because it's apparently more likely the goat is behind the other door.

I always thought that this came about because of a misundertanding about probability, I don't know maybe it's me who is misunderstanding.
Not quite, it's more likely than you originally picked a door with a goat behind it.


And it's not a misunderstanding, it's true.


its you who is misunderstanding. Basically when you first picked you had a 66% chance of picking a goat. when he reveals one goat, theres now two doors and the chance is now 50% to pick a goat so if you repick your chances of getting a goat have been lowered. its simple tbh
Almost, but not quite. there's a 2/3 chance you originally picked a goat, so if you switch you have a 2/3 chance of switching to the car and a 1/3 chance of switching to the other goat.


if math means anything that involves a number then math is ok but game theory isnt math in the sense that math is used in the phrase 'math majors are gagging for it'
I'm slightly confused... but anyway game theory is a branch of applied math.

[808]

Sarcasm, right?

Come on, dude.

[McP3000]

come on, eileen

[Iskandar]

haha, yes I could, but I'm too lazy. Just read the monty hall problem page on wikipedia that someone posted.Nah I got it.

[PerpetualBurn]

Card counting and winning tons of money at poker is also pretty cool.


Card counting is impossible online and close to impossible in any decent standard live game.

Learn to play the game and make money that way.

[Reaganista]

I'm slightly confused... but anyway game theory is a branch of applied math.
ur slightly confuzzled more like
and ps no it's not game theory is only math in the same sense that playing monopoly is math

[Dr Hooch]

ur slightly confuzzled more like
and ps no it's not game theory is only math in the same sense that playing monopoly is math

probability is statistics, which is maths

I have known game theoreticians who were Gagging For It

[Reaganista]

counting money is adding and adding is math

therefore being a ceo is math

[Chu]

ur slightly confuzzled more like
and ps no it's not game theory is only math in the same sense that playing monopoly is math
Game Theory - Games of strategy as an application of graph theory, matrix games and solution of matrix games.

[Murdererer]

chu where can we chat

[Chu]

Don't you use MSN anymore?

I think my email address is in my contact (get MSN Tway... :upset: ).

[Dr Hooch]

counting money is adding and adding is math


arithmatic is 'less maths' than game theory is.

[Mr. Ron]

I always had trouble with math through out high school. I absolutely hated it.

[808]

I liked maths in high school, but after I wasn't allowed to move onto calculus because I "didn't work hard enough," I stopped caring.

[mph4ever]

some say math can explain everything, its just that we haven't discovered how yet

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

some say peanuts can explain everything, its just that we haven't discovered how yet

[Dr Hooch]

some say math can explain everything, its just that we haven't discovered how yet

Maths is just a language we use to express ideas in physics, only because they don't have to do any actual experiments they come up with new words long before we work out what they mean yet.

[mph4ever]

some say peanuts can explain everything, its just that we haven't discovered how yet

i'm a schulz fan and i reckon "everything" is a bit of a stretch

Maths is just a language we use to express ideas in physics, only because they don't have to do any actual experiments they come up with new words long before we work out what they mean yet.
spoken like a true physicist

[Prince of Darkness]

what the hell is going on in Mumbai :confused:

[mph4ever]

what the hell is going on in Mumbai :confused:

deccan mujahedeen have claimed it. based in pakistan. on one side attacking india, some other pakistani based groups attacking afghanistan. there is only one way this is all going

Manmohan Singh blamed militant groups based in India's neighbors -- usually meaning Pakistan -- for the attacks that killed 107 people and wounded 315, raising fears of renewed tension between the nuclear-armed rivals.

[mph4ever]

what are the chances of india asking for help

[McP3000]

good

[mph4ever]

its been offered apparently, now just take them up on it and we have pakistan cornered

[McP3000]

great.

more war...

[Knifeboy]

i thought you conservatives loved war!

[McP3000]

Gunz er baydd mahnn

[mph4ever]

well its not really a war, its more a protection of interests and such

isn't it nice when posts don't take up whole screens?

[mph4ever]

how can you tell when the yanks are on holiday from school/college/work? - they don't have the time to post on mx

[sweboy]

fukn yanks and their holidays

[McP3000]

yeah yankees suck but whatcha gonna do

[Der Übermensch]

Hey! I'm still here! Fuk all you guys :p

[mph4ever]

thats only because theres no duck left to shoot. we know where we are in the peckin order

[Der Übermensch]

It's raining :( Can't go back out until tomorrow, so instead I'm slogging through an essay.

[Iscariot]

i want to bone regina spektor

[Iskandar]

She is Jew-cute.

[McP3000]

so she's ugly?

[Reaganista]

how can you tell when the yanks are on holiday from school/college/work? - they don't have the time to post on mx

or they post less than the usual 20 hrs a day

[PerpetualBurn]

i want to bone regina spektor

I'm pretty sure I made this exact post about 400 pages ago.

[McP3000]

that was a long time ago though

[mph4ever]

or they post less than the usual 20 hrs a day

truth

[PerpetualBurn]

that was a long time ago though

I came across some disagreement.

But I maintain that she'd get it hard.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I could never bone a girl with frizzy hair.

[PerpetualBurn]

Are you some sort of puff?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Or a boy with frizzy hair.

[Reaganista]

frizzy hair can be ok

[Mr. Ron]

how much frizz though? Thats important.

[Reaganista]

like a lot

[Mr. Ron]

nah

[Reaganista]

more frizz than u can imagine

[Mr. Ron]

idk I can imagine a lot

[Reaganista]

like the frizz king most frizz frizzious maximus

[thedeadwalk!]

Hot:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Regina_Spektor-Soviet_Kitsch.jpg

I love her music too, so it's not sexist.

[Mr. Ron]

spektor is cute

[Iskandar]

I went through a phase last summer where I listened to her music almost every day.

[Mr. Ron]

she has a really nice voice

[Iscariot]

she has really nice boobs

[DeathMagnetik]

(. Y .)

:)

[PerpetualBurn]

I saw Regina Spektor live in Liverpool a year or so back. It was an awesome gig.

[mph4ever]

shes a dog

[Mr. Ron]

what

[mph4ever]

spektor is a dog

[Mr. Ron]

does not compute

[mph4ever]

its a local thing

[spitfirejunky]

I think by dog he means insane.

[mph4ever]

maybe, or more if you are a dog then you are not attractive to the person accusing you of being a dog, dogs

now, odd little moment looking at beso's avatar

do you suppose that women are called cunts because of cunnilingus and blokes are called fellas because of fellatio

or is it the agressive gutteral sound of the former and the nice friendly nature of the latter

[Iskandar]

fella is just fellow so no

it looks like cunt and cunnilingus are not actually related i thought they were huh

[Der Übermensch]

cun-t and cunnilingus share the same latin root. Cunnus, which meant vulva.

Fella is shortening of fellow. Fellow I believe comes from old English - doesn't sound Latin at least.

[fingers mccoy]

Olympia's remark here on the etymology is more or less right:

The wisdom goes that it derives from old German, where it was spelled with a k and simply meant female genitalia (kunton, I believe)

This is a not-too-badly mangled version of the etymology you will find in the OED:

ME squirrele, count(e), corresponding to ON kunta (Norw., Sw. dial kunta, Da. dial. kunte), OFris., MLG, MDu kunte—Gmc. *kunton wk. fem.; ulterior relations uncertain.]

Unpacking this entry, it tells us that there are related forms attested in a variety of early Germanic languages and some modern ones (although for some of the modern languages, only in certain dialects). That evidence suggests that all of these forms go back to a common form in proto-Germanic, the presumed ancestor of all these languages: *kunton. Connection to any earlier forms, for example an Indo-European root, is uncertain.

Before I move on to my main point, one small quibble with Olympia's wording. Note the asterisk. This indicates that the form is reconstructed by historical linguists. We don't actually have any written records of the word that far back. So it's misleading to say that it was "spelled" with a k, since it wasn't actually written down.

On the other hand, one of the comments proposes an alternative etymology (the writer's native language is not English, so we'll forgive the mangled grammar and spelling):

I believe the the word " squirrel " has its ethimology in the latin word " Cunnus" which designate the omnibus...please mind "cunnilingus"

The writer didn't just make up this proposal—in fact when I mentioned this etymology to my wife, she immediately said that she'd heard the same thing.

The connection seems obvious, but notice that the OED declines to make it. Why?

To understand that, you need to know a bit about the way Latin and English are connected and the methods that historical linguists use to determine connections between words.

It would seem obvious that two words with similar sounds and meanings should be related. And there's a chance that they are, but it's always possible that there is simply a chance resemblance.

Think of it this way. Suppose you have two languages, A and B, that are historically connected. In other words, they both derive from a common ancestor language C. What makes A and B different languages? An accumulation of changes in pronunciation, vocabulary, syntax, etc. When we're comparing word forms, pronunciation changes are particularly important.

Over a short period of time, many pronunciation changes are idiosyncratic (one word here, another there), but over a long period of time we can observe patterns to the changes. In other words, a particular sound will change regularly, across the language.

Figuring out what changes have occurred is a complex (and to my mind fascinating) business—a huge puzzle with thousands of interlocking pieces that people have been working on since the end of the eighteenth century.

When you factor in the various sound changes that occur in each language over time, it's not enough to match up the forms of words in two language, you have to make sure they match after all the sound changes have been applied.

So, for example, we can say that English father is related to Latin pater because there is a regular correspondence between [p] in Latin and [f] in English and the other Germanic languages. For some other examples, compare piscus vs. fish, pes, pedis vs. foot, or pedo vs. fart.

Because of a large number of similar correspondences, English and Latin are taken to be related, both members of the Indo-European family of languages. Languages in this family are presumed to derive from a common ancestor, proto-Indo-European (PIE). And since the various sound changes for the Indo-European languages have been worked out in detail, we can check whether two words that look like they might be related actually are.

Sometimes, surface forms can be misleading. For example, the Latin and Greek words for "god" look related: deus and θεος (theos). But Greek [θ] generally corresponds to Latin [f], and in fact these words go back to different Indo-European roots. The root that gives the Greek word (PIE *dhes) also gives Latin festum (feast).

In the case of Latin cunnus, usually translated as "vulva" or "pudendum," we have another example of a misleading correspondence. The sound [k] in Latin corresponds to [h] in the Germanic languages. For example, cor, cordis = heart, cornu = horn; centum = hundred.

So we would expect any English cognates that derive from the same I-E root as cunnus to start with [h]. The American Heritage Dictionary's appendix of Indo-European roots gives the I-E root for cunnus as (s)keu-, which has a meaning of "cover" or "conceal". From this same root, we get English words like hide, hose (as in a covering for the leg), and horde.

Looking at it the other way around, [k] in Germanic languages corresponds to [g] in Latin (and Indo-European), so we would expect any I-E root for squirrel to start with [g].

In short, there's no way that cunnus and squirrel are cognates that derive from the same Indo-European root.

There is another another possibility, at least theoretically. The ancestral form of squirrel could be a borrowing from some I-E language that didn't undergo the [k] --> [h] change. On this theory, squirrel would have been borrowed into the language after the sound change occurred. If this happened, we would have a parallel to borrowed forms like cardiac and coronet. Since these words are relatively late arrivals to English, they don't show the effects of the old sound change.

The problem with the borrowing hypothesis, though, is when it would have occurred. Since we have many related forms in the Germanic languages, the word is clearly not a recent borrowing. It would have to pre-date the Anglo-Saxon invasion of England.

Now it is true that there is an early stratum of borrowing from Latin into Germanic. These are words that the Germanic tribes borrowed as a result of their contact with the Roman Empire. For example, words like camp, street, pipe, and cheese all come from this period. However, it seems difficult to believe that squirrel was borrowed. First, virtually all of these borrowings are for items of technology, warfare, merchandise, etc. The sorts of things that Germanic peoples would have encountered in dealing with the Romans. Obviously, squirrels would have been familiar to the Germanic tribes with or without Roman contact, and it's impossible to believe that they didn't have some preexisting term. Further, even if the word somehow was borrowed, the [t] is unexplained.

If you're expecting me at this point to offer an alternative root for squirrel, don't hold your breath. Many people have made proposals, but all of them have problems. The simple fact is that we don't know where the word came from, but we do know enough to reject the superficially plausible connections.

- Karl Hagen

[Iskandar]

cun-t and cunnilingus share the same latin root. Cunnus, which meant vulva.I thought that too but I'm not sure. Some sources give a Germanic derivation.
Fellow I believe comes from old English - doesn't sound Latin at least.You can tell it's English because it doesn't look Latin. Latin had no w.

Sound doesn't matter because we completely butcher Latin anyway.

[Der Übermensch]

Well I'm just going with what my latin teacher told us.

Vagin-a was on a vocab list, because it means "sheath." Someone asked the obvious question, and that was the answer.

[Iskandar]

Yeah. I wouldn't trust language teachers. They teach comprehension, not linguistics.

[Der Übermensch]

Wiki seems to think the word has changed meanings and only meant vagina recently, which would support the germanic origin I guess. Or at least support non-latin.

[Iskandar]

There is a sizable number of words that are common to all Germanic languages but whose prior etymologies are unknown. I have a feeling this is one of them.

[mph4ever]

throw a couple of fellas and a cunt into the mix and you get a good old discussion

poor old squirrels

[JohnXDoe]

i was watching the news this morning and all the liberals are grumbling because Barack is not giving them the "change" they thought he would

i wonder who they thought they were voting for? a real socialist? or a communist. or some kind of radical who was going to put amateurs on his staff or in the White House? meanwhile some conservatives are climbing on board his bus and say he is making good decisions, while the ultra conservatives still don't like him, of course. never will

so we have the more radical left and the more radical right disliking him equally. seems they are more alike then they think. they should shake hands and start their own party and call it the the Dumb Dumbs or some crap

he is a Harvard educated American President and he is playing to the center just as he said he would. i for one am very happy about that

[ringworm]

serious rotfl

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

i was flipping the channels and saw a hilarious FoxNews piece on the lack of intelligence most "Obama" supporters had

even though 20+% of Texans think Obama is a radical muslim terrorist :lol:

[McP3000]

i was watching the news this morning and all the liberals are grumbling because Barack is not giving them the "change" they thought he would

i wonder who they thought they were voting for? a real socialist? or a communist. or some kind of radical who was going to put amateurs on his staff or in the White House? meanwhile some conservatives are climbing on board his bus and say he is making good decisions, while the ultra conservatives still don't like him, of course. never will

so we have the more radical left and the more radical right disliking him equally. seems they are more alike then they think. they should shake hands and start their own party and call it the the Dumb Dumbs or some crap

he is a Harvard educated American President and he is playing to the center just as he said he would. i for one am very happy about that
having a harvard education has very little to do with how good president he will

[Iscariot]

i don't really understand why people are already criticizing obama and saying he let them down

for christ's sake he doesn't even take office until next year what do they really expect him to do right now

[McP3000]

to part the red sea of change

but i agree for the most part...

[mph4ever]

they think hes the black messiah of lore and that salvation will be theirs, dopes