PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Knifeboy]

he had his reasons. I'm not going to say what the other ones were, though.

Trying to break through in the p0rn industry?

[Smokey D]

As a person and generally as a poster he was alright.

As a troll he was annoying as ****. As I say, he was the only person who needed real moderation on here.

[gregulus]

Trying to break through in the p0rn industry?

he would probably cum calculus.

i actually liked 1338 as a poster.

[siva_chair]

Just goes to show:

You are not your MX posts.

[gregulus]

Just goes to show:

You are not your MX posts.

oshi

i'm screwed.

[siva_chair]

oshi

i'm screwed.

Hey look on the bright side you can always create an imaginary friend/alter ego and fight him to reach enlightenment.

On a related note: Primaries were today. I wrote in Tyler Durden.

[Mr. Ron]

I think it would be cool to meet you guys in reall life



nah, that would be awkward.

[siva_chair]

I have a feeling we would have a much different perspective of one another if that were the case.

[Smokey D]

It's be weird.

Mainly because I haven't really ever talked to you about anything other than politics or similar and I very rarely talk about politics in real life.

[siva_chair]

I always thought you were just a computer anyway Smokey.

And I'm the same as I rarely talk politics with anyone anymore.

[Knifeboy]

I think it would be cool to meet you guys in reall life



nah, that would be awkward.

I greet people by poking them in the eye with my penis

nice to meet you!

[Smokey D]

I always thought you were just a computer anyway Smokey.

Computers have feelings to.

I wanna be a real boy!

[siva_chair]

Computers have feelings to.

I wanna be a real boy!

First you have to find a magical cricket.

[gregulus]

yeah, meeting you guys would be pretty weird.


i wonder what steve talks about in real life?

[Smokey D]

I have a magic cricket bat.

I call it wunderbat.

[siva_chair]

I have a magic cricket bat.

I call it wunderbat.

Doesn't count.

It has to have a top hat.

[gregulus]

i googled wunderbat just because it's 2 am and i'm bored and what i got in the image search was soccer and what looks like refried beans on a head of romaine lettuce.

[Dr Hooch]

I have a feeling we would have a much different perspective of one another if that were the case.

god, i know

still i don't think anyone has any real conceptions of me anyway since i don't have any opinions

[gregulus]

Doesn't count.

It has to have a top hat.

and an umbrella.

[Smokey D]

i googled wunderbat just because it's 2 am and i'm bored and what i got in the image search was soccer and what looks like refried beans on a head of romaine lettuce.

I think maybe that's because it's German for wonderful or similar.

[siva_chair]

god, i know

still i don't think anyone has any real conceptions of me anyway since i don't have any opinions

That's just your opinion.


You probably look like the guy in your avatar pic, amirite?

[gregulus]

I think maybe that's because it's German for wonderful or similar.

yeah, now that you say that, i think 'wunderbar' is. WELL ****.

[gregulus]

That's just your opinion.


You probably look like the guy in your avatar pic, amirite?

sexy guy. i wouldn't mind looking like the guy in his avatar.

[siva_chair]

I think maybe that's because it's German for wonderful or similar.

'Wunderbar' is German for wonderful.

Beaten to it.

[Knifeboy]

Ich fühl wunderbar!

[gregulus]

Ich fühl wunderbar!

does the average person in denmark know who niels bohr was?

[Knifeboy]

The average person? I guess that's a white male in his forties.. Yeah.. I think that guy knows who Niels Bohr is

[Dr Hooch]

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v250/203/124/654121767/n654121767_446078_4146.jpg

I'm wearing a tie at least?

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v215/89/110/508533112/n508533112_419120_5819.jpg

that's the britishest photo i can find, anyway.

[Smokey D]

Are you Colin Firth's son?

[Knifeboy]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5237/n7168686326264929658ll0.jpg

i'm a hottie

[Radiobass81]

Are you Colin Firth's son?

:lol:

Smokey, you're great

[Smokey D]

i'm a hottieWho's in your avatar?

[Knifeboy]

me.

[spitfirejunky]

I still remember that gun trifecta we formed.

[Iscariot]

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v250/203/124/654121767/n654121767_446078_4146.jpg

I'm wearing a tie at least?

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v215/89/110/508533112/n508533112_419120_5819.jpg

that's the britishest photo i can find, anyway.

you're pretty ugly

[Knifeboy]

i'd do him

[Iscariot]

i wouldn't **** him with your penis

[Dr Hooch]

Are you Colin Firth's son?

:lol:

you're pretty ugly

so? Why do you think I spent the last 5 years on forums? :P

I used to be a lot uglier, trust me.

[Iscariot]

i'm just busting your chops anyway i don't care what you look like

[siva_chair]

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v250/203/124/654121767/n654121767_446078_4146.jpg

I'm wearing a tie at least?

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v215/89/110/508533112/n508533112_419120_5819.jpg

that's the britishest photo i can find, anyway.

Do you look that blurry in real life?

[Dr Hooch]

Do you look that blurry in real life?

I'm like a shark, me....

[Knifeboy]

it's 10:20 am, and I still haven't gone to sleep.. My brain feels like pudding

[gregulus]

i'm a little disappointed to find out your avatar is not you.

[gregulus]

it's 10:20 am, and I still haven't gone to sleep.. My brain feels like pudding

what could possibly be that entertaining?

[siva_chair]

I'm like a shark, me....

It's ok, I no longer have physical features.

My consciousness has transcended the physical.

[Knifeboy]

what could possibly be that entertaining?

I've had holidays for 2½ months now. I have done absolutely nothing productive the past 40 days. I really have no reason to go to sleep these days, nor wake up. So basically, I've caught a mild case of insomnia, messing with my sleeping habits real bad

[mph4ever]

and i had only been saying that it was rather quiet around here, never lasts, does it

[Mister_Che]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEiwR2KklM

Someone sent me this saying it compares Obama to Castro. I can't watch it at work, but is it pretty safe to assume its pretty misinformed?

[siva_chair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEiwR2KklM

Someone sent me this saying it compares Obama to Castro. I can't watch it at work, but is it pretty safe to assume its pretty misinformed?

Lol.

[Akira]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEiwR2KklM

Someone sent me this saying it compares Obama to Castro. I can't watch it at work, but is it pretty safe to assume its pretty misinformed?

"Back in Cuba there was this dude who was like all 'Change!' and people thought he was rad and then he got power and then he was like, a commie bastard who made life suck."

Basically it's an intellectually bankrupt comparison of the two men on the grounds that they are both young, charismatic, and stand for change.

[Hababi]

both have personality cults and leftist ideas

[kappala]

Steve I hope you know you have completely undermined yourself to give an opinion on Obama.

[sweboy]

It is important to keep in mind that Barack Obama is a radical leftist.

[totah]

I heard something awesome the other day at a party:

"They say Obama means change but it's just the same white hand up a different black arse"

If you people think that a presidential candidate could ever possibly be allowed to threaten the stability of your country, you're morons. The whole voting system is in place so that it seems like change without ever unbalancing the relationship of business and politics that made your country so powerful.

[Dr Hooch]

"different arseholes, same old ****"

[Iskandar]

both have personality cults and leftist ideasboth are dictators

[Smokey D]

I heard something awesome the other day at a party:

"They say Obama means change but it's just the same white hand up a different black arse"

If you people think that a presidential candidate could ever possibly be allowed to threaten the stability of your country, you're morons. The whole voting system is in place so that it seems like change without ever unbalancing the relationship of business and politics that made your country so powerful.

No one expects him to bring revolutionary change but most people agree that there are other forms of change that are still very important that the right candidate would be apable of bringing about.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I heard something awesome the other day at a party:

"They say Obama means change but it's just the same white hand up a different black arse"

If you people think that a presidential candidate could ever possibly be allowed to threaten the stability of your country, you're morons. The whole voting system is in place so that it seems like change without ever unbalancing the relationship of business and politics that made your country so powerful.
The President doesn't really have any competence in those areas. What he can do is alter the way the US government conducts itself in foreign affairs, which is one of the main platforms he's running on. I doubt Obama could really break down the corporate medicine sector the way he wants to, but he's not completely powerless.

[ringworm]

hey, when you gize have kids, which order will you show them Star Wars?

the way we saw it, last 3 then first 3, or 1-6?

[Hababi]

eww star wars

show them Serenity.

[ringworm]

no doubt, but still answer my homeboy :)_

[Akira]

So am I the only one a little perturbed that the FBI is closing the anthrax investigation?

[Hababi]

So am I the only one a little perturbed that the FBI is closing the anthrax investigation?

probably.

[ringworm]

i havent seen enough on this to understand what exactly is going on

[Hababi]

they found out who sent the letters and the guy (a total nut) killed himself.

[Akira]

probably.

I'm sorry for not believing a guy acted alone when the evidence shows he very well may not have.

The FBI has no idea now Ivin's liquid anthrax became the highly weaponized powder used in the attacks. Until that's resolved, I don't see how they can say that he acted alone.

they found out who sent the letters and the guy (a total nut) killed himself.

That's a whole separate issue. How the hell did a homicidal wackjob get a job in a biodefense lab? It's frightening that the DoD is that bad at scrutinizing its employees.

[ringworm]

they found out who sent the letters and the guy (a total nut) killed himself.

case closed then? :)

[Hababi]

I'm sorry for not believing a guy acted alone when the evidence shows he very well may not have.

What evidence is that precisely?


The FBI has no idea now Ivin's liquid anthrax became the highly weaponized powder used in the attacks. Until that's resolved, I don't see how they can say that he acted alone.

He spent obscene periods alone in the lab developing the anthrax.

[Radiobass81]

The FBI is full of ****.

[Hababi]

right it's all one big conspiracy
like the moon landing

[Akira]

It doesn't matter how much time he spent in the lab if the lab doesn't have the equipment to make the anthrax.

It seems hard to believe that this guy not only made weaponized anthrax without anyone noticing, but did so in a lab without the necessary equipment.

I'm not saying Ivins didn't do it. He probably did. But it seems unlikely that he was working alone.

[Radiobass81]

right it's all one big conspiracy
like the moon landing

:rolleyes:.

Look up Cerro Maravilla.

[siva_chair]

hey, when you gize have kids, which order will you show them Star Wars?

the way we saw it, last 3 then first 3, or 1-6?

The way I saw it. Last 3 then first 3.

It must be seen like that. :smoke:

[gregulus]

star wars episodes 1-3 sucked. show them 4-6 and strongly urge them to never view 1-3.

[McP3000]

show them 4-6, and then tell them horrific ghost/murder stories about people who watched the first 3

[dei]

Don't show it to them. Star Wars blows.

[McP3000]

heathen lies

[Iscariot]

eww star wars

show them Serenity.

serenity is to star wars what aids is to africa

it's unavoidable that a sci-fi fan will see it, but it is a cancer that must be eradicated for the sake of the greater good

star wars is all that is man

amen

[Reaganista]

id make them watch the first one and empire in order but then after that they can do whatever watch them randomly or not at all idc they arent as good

[Dr Hooch]

Empire strikes back; make them watch it six times, but put it in the six differnt boxes and insist they're different

[McP3000]

Return of the Jedi is great, why the hate?

[siva_chair]

I like all of them really. Obviously the original 3 are superior to the newer ones, but the new ones are decent.....except for Jar Jar Binks. Biggest Lucas mistake. Ever.

[mph4ever]

jar jar is no worse than the teddy bears in vi

show then the storyline, they'll either be interested or they won't. if they are interested they can dive in anytime like i do and catch one, if they are not interested then they will probably never watch it again. you either get it or your don't

star wars polarises people just like lotr

[gregulus]

jar jar is no worse than the teddy bears in vi

show then the storyline, they'll either be interested or they won't. if they are interested they can dive in anytime like i do and catch one, if they are not interested then they will probably never watch it again. you either get it or your don't

star wars polarises people just like lotr
the ewoks weren't nearly as bad as jar jar. that was just a stupid statement.


lotr rules. better than star wars. 1338 and ron know what's up.

[mph4ever]

the teddy bears were the worst thing, jar jar is cool, he was the intergalactic laid back spliff toker that you would expect, but teddies that beat imperial troops with bows and arrows and logs and rocks, c'mon, and darth kissing luke's mom in ii. star wars and kissing just pushed the boundaries of plausibility too much for me

lotr is up there

[Futue te Ipsum]

jar jar was awful

tbh so is lord of the rings

film and book

[Dr Hooch]

Return of the Jedi is great, why the hate?

jedi don't deserve to win

[Mr. Ron]

jar jar was awful

tbh so is lord of the rings

film and book

gtfo

[Dr Hooch]

good story bad book mediocre films

who gives a sh!t about hobbits?

[Mr. Ron]

I'll admit that his use of grammar and some long winded passages are a bit much, but LoTR isn't just a book you sit down to read for poops and giggles. Its an undertaking. Even if you hate it its worth reading because of its significance.


However, I myself find the story very enjoyable. Except Tom bombadil. He can **** off.


*waits for smokey to say I'm wrong*

[The AntiJew]

****ing hobbits man

[Mr. Ron]

shave their ****ing feet

[gregulus]

good story bad book mediocre films

who gives a sh!t about hobbits?

lotr is amazing, though i prefer the silmarillion.


i heard smokey's favorite author was tolkien. especially his poems. confirm/deny.

[Iskandar]

eww star wars

show them Serenity.I feel the good in you, Father; the conflict.

[Iscariot]

lotr is so bad

the concept is good but the execution of both the book and the films is one big snoozefest

i actually got pissed off a few times when i was reading the book and put it down for a couple of weeks at a time because it was so dry and uninteresting

[mph4ever]

what do you think the concept is?

[gregulus]

lotr is so bad

the concept is good but the execution of both the book and the films is one big snoozefest

i actually got pissed off a few times when i was reading the book and put it down for a couple of weeks at a time because it was so dry and uninteresting

i prefer the silmarillion. some of the most epic battles and stories ever.

[Iskandar]

The answer is to skip parts of the book.

[Iscariot]

what do you think the concept is?

to portray an epic in which a group of diverse individuals with different talents and respective dislikes for certain aspects of each others personalities join together and put all differences aside to save their home and coincidentally the entire world from a force that threatens all of their livelihoods

this however could have been drastically more interesting if written by someone with a personality

[mph4ever]

hehehehe, and less of the coke habit

[Dave de Sylvia]

to portray an epic in which a group of diverse individuals with different talents and respective dislikes for certain aspects of each others personalities join together and put all differences aside to save their home and coincidentally the entire world from a force that threatens all of their livelihoods

this however could have been drastically more interesting if written by someone with a personality
If he had a personality I'm pretty he'd have found something better to do with his time.

[gregulus]

If he had a personality I'm pretty he'd have found something better to do with his time.
qft. the man started writing all of the stuff about middle-earth in like 1917. the man just dug writing and kicking it with dudes like cs lewis and being catholic.

[Iscariot]

If he had a personality I'm pretty he'd have found something better to do with his time.

touche

[mph4ever]

threads where siva is on form actually help me understand what the little scroll wheel on my mouse is for

[Mr. Ron]

lotr is so bad

the concept is good but the execution of both the book and the films is one big snoozefest

i actually got pissed off a few times when i was reading the book and put it down for a couple of weeks at a time because it was so dry and uninteresting
I agree that the execution could have been done better. Some parts like Tom Bombadil (while interesting) were boring and were completely useless to the story.

But again, LoTR isn't really meant to be non-stop action. Its interesting in its own way IMO.


to portray an epic in which a group of diverse individuals with different talents and respective dislikes for certain aspects of each others personalities join together and put all differences aside to save their home and coincidentally the entire world from a force that threatens all of their livelihoods

this however could have been drastically more interesting if written by someone with a personality

Well yeah, but you can't expect much from English people. ;^)

I read the complete series ever other year, though. :(

[ringworm]

serenity was on hbo today

while i have some problems with a few parts, the scene right after Nathan Fillion says "they wont see this coming" is one of my favorites

[Mr. Ron]

Never seen it.

[Hababi]

serenity was on hbo today

while i have some problems with a few parts, the scene right after Nathan Fillion says "they wont see this coming" is one of my favorites

"TARGET THE REAVERS!
TARGET THE REAVERS!
TARGET EVERYONE!
SOMEBODY FIRE!"

My favorite single shot in the film is when Mal squares off against the Operative, because it's the single shot that best captures what Whedon was aiming for (sci fi western), plus it's the point where Mal answers the crucial dramatic question, for once and for all--he's found something he's willing to die for.

[Hababi]

Never seen it.

you must see it.

[Mr. Ron]

you must see it.

Top 5 reasons why I should see it.

[Iscariot]

i refuse to watch serenity because steve likes it and anything steve enjoys is inherently awful

[spitfirejunky]

Only problem I had with Serenity is the cheesy dialogue. Plot's solid and the action is great.

[Hababi]

Top 5 reasons why I should see it.

1) It's awesome
2) It's awesome
3) It's awesome
4) It's awesome
5) It's awesome

Ok more:

1) You won't find better sci fi in recent years
2) There are two dramatic arches that are perfectly executed
3) Chiwetel Ejiofore plays a great villain
4) It's full of memorable lines
5) It has one of the greatest climaxes you'll find

[Mr. Ron]

I'll watch some of it on youtube.

[ringworm]

"TARGET THE REAVERS!
TARGET THE REAVERS!
TARGET EVERYONE!
SOMEBODY FIRE!"
yup, thats it :)

also, i dont know if it was intended, but the lack of huge explosions (noise) in the vacuum of space also lends to my appreciation of the film

Top 5 reasons why I should see it.
number 1, because i like it too? :)

[Iskandar]

1) You won't find better sci fi in any time period
2) There are several dramatic arches that are perfectly executed
3) James Earl Jones plays a great villain
4) It's full of memorable lines
5) It has one of the greatest climaxes you'll find

[Akira]

So a man, after five years, finally gets to have his case heard in court, gets convicted an sentenced, and the Bush administration says that they'll keep him detained as an enemy combatant even after he serves his time?

Someone ought to tell them it would be a lot easier just to physically rip the Constitution in half.

[Hababi]

They have the right to detain him if they feel that he is still a threat to the nation.

[Radiobass81]

They have the right to detain him if they feel that he is still a threat to the nation.

Says the man who doesn't believe in holding political prisoners.

[Hababi]

Says the man who doesn't believe in holding political prisoners.

AQ terrorists =/= political prisoners.

[Akira]

They have the right to detain him if they feel that he is still a threat to the nation.

The fact that a court only felt it necessary to give him five months in jail implies that they don't think he's dangerous. Courts exist for a reason.

[Akira]

AQ terrorists =/= political prisoners.

The court says he's not a terrorist. It's pretty presumptuous of you to say he is.

[Radiobass81]

Seriously, Steve, sometimes you're as bad as McCain/Obama, changing points of view.

[siva_chair]

And this crap rolls back into the Community thread....

[Radiobass81]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mA7uyivl6E

We can talk about Silvio <3.

[Knifeboy]

Steve should be banned from the community thread

[Radiobass81]

"Who is Bush to lecture China?"

http://www.progressive.org/mag/wx080708.html

[Reaganista]

he's the president of the us to lecture china

[siva_chair]

he's the president of the us to lecture china

This.

[totah]

AQ terrorists =/= political prisoners.

But surely if a terrorist is someone who tries to push a political agenda through violence, taking one hostage makes him a political prisoner?

[Hababi]

But surely if a terrorist is someone who tries to push a political agenda through violence, taking one hostage makes him a political prisoner?

political prisoners are prisoners taken strictly for political reasons. Terrorists are taken prisoner not for their political goals but for their methods of attaining it.

Now people can stop complaining when I say that Chavez is a proto-dictator:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_chavez_power_glance_1


Establish civilian militias critics fear will evolve into Cuban-style community groups used to monitor and prevent "counterrevolutionary" activities.
Give Chavez the power to expropriate goods from private business owners without approval from the National Assembly.
Give Chavez the ability to designate regional political authorities who could undermine the power of elected mayors and governors.

That, folks, is a dictatorship.

[Reaganista]

how dare he try to prevent revolution

[Hababi]

how dare he try to prevent revolution*

*Opposition

[Reaganista]

is it 'change words to make what we're saying actually true' day

[Hababi]

is it 'change words to make what we're saying actually true' day

No it's 'correct the words of the other person' day

So like if I said 'Hugo Chavez isn't a fascist dictator'

then you could stick a * in and say 'is'.

[Reaganista]

No* it's 'correct the words of the other person' day

So like if I said 'Hugo Chavez isn't a fascist dictator'

then you could stick a * in and say 'is'.
ya it is

also lol fascist

[Hababi]

also lol fascist

Actually it's very much true. Fascism is an autocratic philosophy bent on achieving success while recalling past glory (reference to Chavez renaming the army after his hero Simon Bolivar, idolozing him). Fascists always must have scapegoats, as Chavez had. Fascists have little regard for Democracy, and a heavy hand in policing, as Chavez is showing moreso than ever before.

Chavez=fascist.

[Reaganista]

A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion

[Hababi]

Yes that's the definition I was looking for

[Reaganista]

ok well there it is

[Mister_Che]

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1717903009

Obamas Olympics ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWXqpHEsrxc

McCains Olympics ad.

[Hababi]

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1717903009

Obamas Olympics ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWXqpHEsrxc

McCains Olympics ad.

Where'd you hear that the second is the one McCain will be running during the Olympics?

[Mister_Che]

I was actually about to edit my post to say that I'm pretty sure it won't be.

[Hababi]

I was actually about to edit my post to say that I'm pretty sure it won't be.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it won't be either :p

Both candidates are going to run positive Olympics ads and then resume hitting each other afterward.

[Akira]

Haha. The only message I get from McCain's ads is that he doesn't have anything good to say about himself.

[Hababi]

Virtually all of McCain's ads contain elements of McCain's plans, Mr. Obamuh.

[Akira]

Yeah. Especially that one where Obama is The One. And the Paris Hilton one. And the one getting old, outdated quotes from Democrats praising McCain.

Those are full of substantive information about McCain's campaign.

[Hababi]

Well if you actually watched the ad then you know that they are. They start with a fair criticism and then they go on to point out McCain's plans.

[Akira]

Calling your opponent Paris Hilton is not a fair criticism. You can say it is as many times as you want, that doesn't make it true.

[totah]

"Well I put it to you, that you sucked off an 'orse!"

"Uh, I did not, ahem, suck off a horse. As I explained to the party chairman, I was out hunting with a friend, when I slipped and fell onto a horse's phallus. Unfortunately, it being hunting season, the horse became aroused."

[Hababi]

Calling your opponent Paris Hilton is not a fair criticism. You can say it is as many times as you want, that doesn't make it true.

It wasn't calling him Paris Hilton. It was commenting on the celebrity status of Obama. More than half of all Americans have said that they're tired of all the glowing news coverage of Obamuh.

[Akira]

It wasn't calling him Paris Hilton. It was commenting on the celebrity status of Obama. More than half of all Americans have said that they're tired of all the glowing news coverage of Obamuh.

It was associating him with a skank famous for being rich and making a sextape.

[siva_chair]

Hey maybe Obama made a sextape we aren't aware of.

Maybe really he was the one in those R Kelly piss tape masterpieces....

[totah]

Hawt.

[Iscariot]

if obama pee'd on a 14-year old girl's face i would vote for him twice

[totah]

What if a 14 year old girl peed on his face while he was eating her out?

Having my face sat on is my favourite way to administer oral sex.

[gregulus]

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0736008820080807?rpc=60

it's unfortunate that a bunch of fundamentalist assholes can determine what does and doesn't get published in other countries because they'll threaten the author, the publisher, and protest.

itt i despise fundamentalist interpretations of religion even more.

[Mister_Che]

Turns out Edwards was cheating on his wife after all. And to think, I kinda wanted him to be the VP pick.

[Hababi]

Turns out Edwards was cheating on his wife after all. And to think, I kinda wanted him to be the VP pick.

Just imagine if he'd have been the nominee. The Democrats would be officially screwed.

I feel sorry for his wife, though. And his kid.

[totah]

Why does infidelity mean someone would make a bad politician?

[Hababi]

Why does infidelity mean someone would make a bad politician?

The president is the face of the nation. Infidelity disgraces the individual and brings shame on those around him/her. It's an embarrassing move.

[totah]

So if a president succumbs to love he's an embarrassment?

[Akira]

Why does infidelity mean someone would make a bad politician?

It doesn't. I means someone would be an unelectable politician. Unless, of course, you're a Republican.


No, but seriously, this sucks. I always liked Edwards. :upset:

[Hababi]

So if a president succumbs to love he's an embarrassment?

Affairs are lust, not love ;)


It doesn't. I means someone would be an unelectable politician. Unless, of course, you're a Republican.

Say what




No, but seriously, this sucks. I always liked Edwards.

Still want him on the ticket?

[JohnXDoe2]

Why does infidelity mean someone would make a bad politician?
because people figure if you can be dishonest in your marriage, the ONE thing a lot take seriously in life...vows of love and commitment to one simple thing....and you can't even do that....how will you be honest about anything else

of course this has been proven wrong time and again. here in America it seems after the fact you can get the benefit of the doubt. but if you are exposed before taking office (or in this case higher office) people just won't give you that benefit. i mean you might get it, but not for The White House. rumors swirled around Bill Clinton in '92. he actually had to go on 60 Minutes with Hillary and declare he had been unfaithful and they had problems in the past, but that it was all over, Hill at his side, the loving supporting wife. it comes down to stability, really

of course we know Bill was having a good 'ol time while in The White House, now. but it was too late to do anything but try to impeach him for lying, etc.

that whole thing was bullpoop. but i must admit if i think about it hard enough...The President cumming on some young girls face in the oval office....putting a cigar in her slightly confuzzled sea lion and then chewing on it while meeting with people that day....um i could live without that tbh.

i liked Bill, though.

[Mister_Che]

Why does infidelity mean someone would make a bad politician?

It shouldn't, but it really taints peoples view about them.

[Akira]

Say what

Just joking around. How many times did Newt Gingrich have affairs though? Nine or ten? :p

Still want him on the ticket?

I didn't want him on the ticket before.

[Hababi]

Just joking around. How many times did Newt Gingrich have affairs though? Nine or ten? :p

That's why he couldn't run for president :p



I didn't want him on the ticket before.

Well he's still in the lead on our polls. Edwards for Veep!

[Akira]

That's why he couldn't run for president :p

I didn't want to bring up someone who is running for president, but...

[Hababi]

I didn't want to bring up someone who is running for president, but...

That's ancient history though. If it was something Edwards did 28 years ago, nobody would care. Just like nobody cares about BO's coke use.

[gregulus]

That's ancient history though. If it was something Edwards did 28 years ago, nobody would care. Just like nobody cares about BO's coke use.

on a scale of one to utterly irate, what does BO's coke use make you?

[Hababi]

on a scale of one to utterly irate, what does BO's coke use make you?

in and of itself it's not something that I care about a whole lot (though it is a VERY bad message to kids--go ahead, do coke, you can still become president), but any time he tries to talk about his so called remarkable life, I can't help but think back to it.

[Akira]

in and of itself it's not something that I care about a whole lot (though it is a VERY bad message to kids--go ahead, do coke, you can still become president), but any time he tries to talk about his so called remarkable life, I can't help but think back to it.

If that's fair, can I think about how McCain cheated on his horribly disfigured wife any time someone calls him an honorable man?

[Hababi]

If that's fair, can I think about how McCain cheated on his horribly disfigured wife any time someone calls him an honorable man?

That's a hugely different situation. McCain had just gotten back home from 5 1/2 years as a POW, followed by a long hospital stay. His wife and his entire life back home was completely foreign to him. There's a context to that mistake that is lacking with Obama. What excuse does Obama have? None. McCain openly admitted his mistake though and remained on good terms with his first wife.

[Akira]

Being a POW is an excuse for cheating one your wife?

[Hababi]

Being a POW is an excuse for cheating one your wife?

I didn't say it was an excuse. If it were an excuse then he wouldn't have needed to apologize. It is context. Obama lacks context.

[gregulus]

I didn't say it was an excuse. If it were an excuse then he wouldn't have needed to apologize. It is context. Obama lacks context.

obama's context: he was a young man and made some silly decisions looking for a good time. not a terribly uncommon thing, you know.

[Hababi]

obama's context: he was a young man and made some silly decisions looking for a good time. not a terribly uncommon thing, you know.

Yeah a lot of kids make silly decisions. They egg a car, or go to a drinking party.

Not all that many turn to coke. Particularly ones who grew up as comfortably as BO.

Compare "I was a teenager"
with
"I was readjusting to life after 5 1/2 years as a POW"

[Radiobass81]

Yeah a lot of kids make silly decisions. They egg a car, or go to a drinking party.

Not all that many turn to coke. Particularly ones who grew up as comfortably as BO.

Compare "I was a teenager"
with
"I was readjusting to life after 5 1/2 years as a POW"

Robber calling someone a thief.

Not to mention, infidelity is much worse than drugs, atleast morally.

[Hababi]

On an unrelated note, a useful website: http://www.librarything.com

[spitfirejunky]

Yeah a lot of kids make silly decisions. They egg a car, or go to a drinking party.

Not all that many turn to coke. Particularly ones who grew up as comfortably as BO.

Compare "I was a teenager"
with
"I was readjusting to life after 5 1/2 years as a POW"

Drinking parties are great decisions.

[gregulus]

Yeah a lot of kids make silly decisions. They egg a car, or go to a drinking party.

Not all that many turn to coke. Particularly ones who grew up as comfortably as BO.

Compare "I was a teenager"
with
"I was readjusting to life after 5 1/2 years as a POW"

Are you kidding me? I know a TON of kids who came from the upper-middle class who have done cocaine.

[gregulus]

Robber calling someone a thief.

Not to mention, infidelity is much worse than drugs, atleast morally.

it's ok because he was a pow for 5 1/2 years. he's a real patriot. he can do whatever the **** he wants.

[Hababi]

Drinking parties are great decisions.

If your goal is killing braincells and possibly being involved in a painful video that ends up on break


Are you kidding me? I know a TON of kids who came from the upper-middle class who have done cocaine.


Tons? Wtf kind of people do you hang out with? :lol:

Using cocaine shows extremely poor judgment.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

yea coke is known around here as "rich kids drug" cuz it costs so ****ing much

[Radiobass81]

So, I start college Monday.

:'(

[Hababi]

yea coke is known around here as "rich kids drug" cuz it costs so ****ing much

yeah I know it's a drug of the more privileged (around here, the druggies all do crack), but in terms of a percentage?

Of course, I don't drink or smoke, let alone try cocaine :p

[spitfirejunky]

If your goal is killing braincells and possibly being involved in a painful video that ends up on break.

Haha, I suppose that's incentive to attend one. But seriously, no one should fear drinking parties if they're not stupid about drinking.

[Hababi]

Haha, I suppose that's incentive to attend one. But seriously, no one should fear drinking parties if they're not stupid about drinking.

I don't care for the smell or taste of alcohol. Of course, I don't necessarily mind being around other people who are drunk, for if they're making fools of themselves.

[gregulus]

If your goal is killing braincells and possibly being involved in a painful video that ends up on break
drinking does not inherently entail being a drunken asshole.



Tons?[/I] Wtf kind of people do you hang out with? :lol:

Using cocaine shows extremely poor judgment.
yeah, i know a large number of people who have done cocaine. i didn't say i hung out with them, though. they tend to be the people in my town that i actively try to avoid. not because of their drug habits, but mainly because i find them to be generally insufferable.

i'm sure a lot of very successful people made some rather poor decisions as young adults.

[Illmatic]

I didn't say it was an excuse. If it were an excuse then he wouldn't have needed to apologize. It is context. Obama lacks context.

what the hell is this even supposed to mean?

Yeah a lot of kids make silly decisions. They egg a car, or go to a drinking party.

Not all that many turn to coke. Particularly ones who grew up as comfortably as BO.

so have you never spent significant time on a college campus or what

"I was readjusting to life after 5 1/2 years as a POW"

sounds an awful lot like that's being used as an excuse to me.

Tons? Wtf kind of people do you hang out with?

Using cocaine shows extremely poor judgment.

important note: trying cocaine does not make someone a degenerate or a monster

important note 2: you need to get out more

[Der Übermensch]

Tons? Wtf kind of people do you hang out with? :lol:

Using cocaine shows extremely poor judgment.

Yeah it does, but coke is a rich persons drug. Being friends with drug dealers, I can attest to the difficulty in coming by even half decent coke for a reasonable price.

Crack is what poor people do. (Or meth if you are a hick).

[Hababi]

so have you never spent significant time on a college campus or what

Well I am a commuter student :p

Alcohol and marijuana is widespread, but not coke. Virtually every day I'm on campus I'll hear people talk about parties that involve one or both. I don't recall hearing coke mentioned. Yeah, it still goes on, but not so much.

sounds an awful lot like that's being used as an excuse to me.

Except it's not.


important note: trying cocaine does not make someone a degenerate or a monster

important note 2: you need to get out more


wtf cokie

I'm not saying it makes him a degenerate. I'm saying it was a very poor case of judgment, and a bad example to kids.

[Illmatic]

Alcohol and marijuana is widespread, but not coke. Virtually every day I'm on campus I'll hear people talk about parties that involve one or both. I don't recall hearing coke mentioned. Yeah, it still goes on, but not so much.


overhearing conversations is not exactly the best way to find out

Except it's not.

hey that's just how it looks to me. not saying he used it as an excuse, I think you're using it as one for him (as you do whenever McCain does anything bad)

wtf cokie

I'm not saying it makes him a degenerate. I'm saying it was a very poor case of judgment, and a bad example to kids.

I don't really care, name me one politician who hasn't shown bad judgment at one time or another.

as for being a bad example to kids....well the founding fathers were a collection of philanderers, alcoholics, slaveowners and Indian killers. I don't think "politician"

and who said I was a cokie.

[Der Übermensch]

Alcohol and marijuana is widespread, but not coke. Virtually every day I'm on campus I'll hear people talk about parties that involve one or both. I don't recall hearing coke mentioned. Yeah, it still goes on, but not so much.
It isn't as talked about, but it happens a lot more then you would think.

[Hababi]

I don't really care, name me one politician who hasn't shown bad judgment at one time or another.

Name me another politician who decided that doing coke was a good idea.

George Bush. And Marion Berry. Though Berry was well into adulthood at the time :p

So, there's another point of comparison between Bush and Obamuh.


overhearing conversations is not exactly the best way to find out

Well I'm sure not going to attend any frat parties.

[Hababi]

It isn't as talked about, but it happens a lot more then you would think.

I'm going to consult my on-campus friends about this :p

[gregulus]

I'm not saying it makes him a degenerate. I'm saying it was a very poor case of judgment, and a bad example to kids.

Not really. Kids probably won't even know about it unless partisan dimwits dwell on such an unimportant fact.

[Illmatic]

Well I'm sure not going to attend any frat parties.

then you probably shouldn't be talking about coke use in parties

Name me another politician who decided that doing coke was a good idea.

George Bush. And Marion Berry. Though Berry was well into adulthood at the time

So, there's another point of comparison between Bush and Obamuh.

so what makes doing coke any worse than cheating on your wife, drinking and driving, embezzling money, or any of the other fun things most politicians have done.

also your latest condescending Obama nickname is pretty dumb.

[Hababi]

then you probably shouldn't be talking about coke use in parties

wtf are you a frat boy?



so what makes doing coke any worse than cheating on your wife, drinking and driving, embezzling money, or any of the other fun things most politicians have done.

Cheating on your wife isn't as grievous in most circumstances as choosing to use a hard drug. It shows poor judgment but I wouldn't put it in the same realm. Drunk driving, embezzling money, etc. on the other hand are.


also your latest condescending Obama nickname is pretty dumb.

Wait so what's best

BO
Barry Obama
Obamuh
BarryHObama

[Hababi]

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/headcandy/2008/08/kevin-eats-at-b.html

[Illmatic]

wtf are you a frat boy?

no

Cheating on your wife isn't as grievous in most circumstances as choosing to use a hard drug.

from the wife's point of view it is

Wait so what's best

BO
Barry Obama
Obamuh
BarryHObama

gotta go with Barry

[Hababi]

McCain's first wife is on good terms with him and always was.

[Illmatic]

McCain's first wife is on good terms with him and always was.

McCain isn't the only politician to cheat on his wife.

[Der Übermensch]

Cheating on your wife isn't as grievous in most circumstances as choosing to use a hard drug
How callous of you....
Adultery directly harms other people (or at least one other person). Doing drugs only directly harms yourself.

I'm going to consult my on-campus friends about this
Well, I can tell you that I know a good number of people who use it occasionally.

[Hababi]

McCain isn't the only politician to cheat on his wife.

You're correct. Many more politicians commit adultery than do coke.



Adultery directly harms other people (or at least one other person). Doing drugs only directly harms yourself.


Doing coke fuels a deadly illegal smuggling ring.



Well, I can tell you that I know a good number of people who use it occasionally.


I thought you weren't that wealthy :p

I know a few people who do crack. No one who has done coke.

[Illmatic]

You're correct. Many more politicians commit adultery than do coke.

and?

[Hababi]

and?

well see my post about it not fueling a deadly international criminal ring.

Also watch the video. It's not a political video, it's related to the Olympics. Sorta.

[Der Übermensch]

Doing coke fuels a deadly illegal smuggling ring.
That is an external issue based on it's legal status, not a result based on the inherent action itself.

[Hababi]

That is an external issue based on it's legal status, not a result based on the inherent action itself.

Without coke users, there'd be no market and thus no trade.

[Illmatic]

that doesn't absolve adultery.

Without coke users, there'd be no market and thus no trade.

if drugs were legal it wouldn't be an issue.

[Hababi]

that doesn't absolve adultery.

I didn't say that it did ;)

[kappala]

lol its funny how the alcohol smugglers just disappeared after prohibition ended.

[kappala]

Without coke users, there'd be no market and thus no trade.

because that's a completely realistic solution.

[Hababi]

lol its funny how the alcohol smugglers just disappeared after prohibition ended.

Actually there's still an elicit moonshine market. Also you're talking about something with much domestic production vs. international shipment. Legalize coke and it's still controlled overseas by murderous gangs.

[Illmatic]

I didn't say that it did ;)

so what's your point?

are you trying to arbitrarily decide that doing coke is "worse" than cheating on your wife for the sake of making McCain look better than Obama?

[Hababi]

because that's a completely realistic solution.

I didn't say that it is. I said that they create the market and are responsible.

[kappala]

Actually there's still an elicit moonshine market. Also you're talking about something with much domestic production vs. international shipment. Legalize coke and it's still controlled overseas by murderous gangs.

you do know you can grow coca domestically.

I didn't say that it is. I said that they create the market and are responsible.

actually the coke market was created legitimately before it was illegal. Making something illegal doesn't make the consumers stop.

[Illmatic]

Actually there's still an elicit moonshine market. Also you're talking about something with much domestic production vs. international shipment. Legalize coke and it's still controlled overseas by murderous gangs.

if coke was legalized would it not be legal to grow the coca leaf

[Hababi]

you do know you can grow coca domestically.

Not in near enough places to meet what would be the demand.

[kappala]

Not in near enough places to meet what would be the demand.
Someone should invent a motorized vehicle!

[Radiobass81]

Making illegal the growth of the coca leaf is ABSURD. The coca leaf is deep into many indigenous cultures, where the leaf is used as medicine, a natural pain killer, etc.

Evo Morales once went to the UN with a coca leaf, saying 'this is green, not white like cocaine, and this is imporant in our history, and it is absurd to deny us to grow it.'

People see a coca leaf and think of coccaine, without seeing the big picture.

[Illmatic]

Not in near enough places to meet what would be the demand.

said the farming expert

[Hababi]

except you have no idea how much space is required.

Too much to meet the demand.

[Der Übermensch]

Without coke users, there'd be no market and thus no trade.

Or if it was legal, there would be legal sources for it. Just look at prohibition era America and the changes when it ended.

But anyways, stop avoiding a direct answer. I'll make this simple. In a categorical vacuum is a guy doing coke hurting doing better or worse then someone who cheats on their spouse?

[kappala]

Too much to meet the demand.

come you an I both know you are bullshitting now.

[Hababi]

Or if it was legal, there would be legal sources for it. Just look at prohibition era America and the changes when it ended.

But anyways, stop avoiding a direct answer. I'll make this simple. In a categorical vacuum is a guy doing coke hurting doing better or worse then someone who cheats on their spouse?
I reject the notion of a vacuum. Man is not an island.

[Illmatic]

come you an I both know you are bullpoopting now.

actually agriculture is one of the many many things steve is an expert in.

[kappala]

:lol:

actually agriculture is one of the many many things steve is an expert in.

ic ic

[Illmatic]

I reject the notion of a vacuum. Man is not an island.

you're the last person who should be talking about interpersonal relationships.

[Hababi]

you're the last person who should be talking about interpersonal relationships.

:lol: I forget that you're apparently an expert on my life

[Der Übermensch]

I reject the notion of a vacuum. Man is not an island.

Steve, I've said this before, and I'm saying it one last time.

The majority of the people on this forum think of you as a troll. I am one of the few who doesn't apply this label. I am objective enough to recognize that it is more then anything, the fact that you express a view far counter to the norm present here. When ever people are like "ban Steve!" I call them idiots. However, you are being a stubborn idiot right now, and just proving them right, and this is a very easy question to answer on morality of action. This is about Drugs, the inherent concept of them and their use. Not drugs, a specific shipment of coke that some hood shot the dealer and stole to sell on his own.
I'm going to pretend you don't exist until you give an explicit answer to the question, and not a run-around.

[Hababi]

:lol: I don't think that the majority of people think that I'm a troll.

But anyway, in a vacuum, it depends on the circumstance. For Edwards, yes. For McCain, it wasn't.

[Radiobass81]

:lol: I don't think that the majority of people think that I'm a troll.

Heh. That's nice.

[Der Übermensch]

:lol: I don't think that the majority of people think that I'm a troll.
I bet if we had an ostrasization vote, you would lose... no offense...

But anyway, in a vacuum, it depends on the circumstance. For Edwards, yes. For McCain, it wasn't.

*sigh* not perfect :rolleyes:

But now a follow up!

What makes Edwards worse and McCain not (at the time of doing it, I realize McCain's ex is still friendly towards him, but forgiving him for it and moving on doesn't change the action itself.... Edwards' wife may forgive him too for all we know).

[Hababi]

Because McCain was completely disconnected from his wife for more than half a decade, and when he came home they were both very different people.

[Iscariot]

tbh clean, relatively pure cocaine is pretty harmless when done in moderation

there are no cravings, no comedowns, and it's expensive enough that you can't overdo it in one sitting, and even if you could afford a large quantity it would take more than you could stomach to overdose on it

the problems come in when you do gummers on a regular basis and rot your teeth, or when you snort incredibly often and start compromising the integrity of the blood vessels in your nose

cocaine addiction stems from the distribution of street level coke which can be cut with anything from baking soda to rat poison

most commonly you'll find cocaine to be cut with heroin, but if you can find a reliable source with a clean product you don't need to worry about the risk of addiction or putting these other more dangerous drugs into your body

so basically legalizing cocaine and allowing the government to process and distribute it would be an incredibly beneficial and progressive step and would inevitably reduce the volume of cocaine addicts in the country by substituting their dirty, impure product with a clean substitute

[Der Übermensch]

I dont know what your sourcing is on that... but cocaine is most certainly habit forming, even pure, uncut stuff.

[Iscariot]

cocaine is not physically addictive so no it isn't

if you rely on it for an emotional escape it can become a habit, but that can apply to literally anything

i've done my fair share of cocaine i know the difference between good and bad stuff

[spitfirejunky]

cocaine is not physically addictive so no it isn't

A drug without physical addition doesn't necessarily produce no physiological addictions.

Cocaine still has relatively severe withdrawal symptoms.

[Iscariot]

addictions are purely psychological due to constant repeated use

this is where personal responsibility comes into play as with any other substance

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/cocaine/cocaine_basics.shtml

when people become addicted to alcohol do you blame the alcohol or their inability to control themselves

the same thing with caffeine

do you blame the coffee or do you blame the person drinking it that has convinced themselves that they can't get up and go every morning without five large cups

[spitfirejunky]

addictions are purely psychological due to constant repeated use

Not all addictions are psychological, but all of them can be defeated psychologically. To elaborate, cravings aren't always psychological.

[Iscariot]

i was referring to cocaine addictions, not all addictions in general

i should have been more specific

[Der Übermensch]

cocaine is not physically addictive so no it isn't

if you rely on it for an emotional escape it can become a habit, but that can apply to literally anything

i've done my fair share of cocaine i know the difference between good and bad stuff

Psychological addiction is still addiction though... It just is one that is much easier to effect some people then others (ie some people may NEVER get hooked, while others would be easily susceptible after a very shot time).

It ****s up the reward mechanisms in the brain.

[thedeadwalk!]

In laboratory tests of animals allowed to self-administered cocaine, 90% ended up dying, usually from starvation as cocaine was preferred over food. Animals allowed to self-administer heroin maintained normal eating and grooming habits, using the drug much more stably.

However, it must be noted that cocaine does not produce a chemical dependence (unlike heroin), only behavioral, which leads to a theory of drug use being positive reinforcement; the high from cocaine being what motivates its use.

[Iscariot]

personal responsibility personal responsibility personal responsibility how many do i have to say personal responsibility

if you know you're prone to addictive behavior or if you realize that, "hey i'm doing this too often", then be responsible enough for your own well-being to either stop or never start in the first place

when i started my coke phase a few years ago i was getting it from a shady source and later found out it was cut with heroin

i had horrible withdrawals, i was doing it all the time, i did it to the point of feeling sick every time i snorted a line

i realized i was addicted due to the secondary substance i was putting in my body, so i locked myself in my house and didn't answer any phone calls for a couple of weeks and cleaned myself up

it was miserable too. i was vomiting, i couldn't sleep, i was shaking and sweating, i couldn't eat, and i had intense muscle pains all over my body 24/7 it felt like i was a giant muscle cramp

i took the responsibility to clean up though

the last time i did coke not too long ago i only agreed to it because it was very pure and cut with nothing but ether and guess what, no withdrawals, no cravings, no restlessness or pain, and i haven't done it since

choosing your source carefully and being personally responsible for whatever you do to yourself is more important that banning something out of fear

@ uber

[Mr. Ron]

The beginning of the Olympics is going awesome. All of those drummers being so well coordinated was scary.

[Iscariot]

the olympics are boring

except for boxing

oh and gymnastics because those girls are qts

[Hababi]

dude those girls are like 12 you perve

all the martial arts, basketball, and diving ftw

and yeah the beginning pwned.

[Iscariot]

oh they're 12?

well damn that's too old for me :(