PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Knifeboy]

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/mass_grave1.jpg haha

[1338 h4x0r]

I find both humorous

Don't worry; I rarely LOL, so you won't notice anyway

And, besides, it's not like I'm a Nazi because dead German gentiles are equally funny

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Dresden-pile-of-bodies.JPG

:lol:

[Smokey D]

the **** i had to read was so much worse pages and pages of itemized lists on like a town by town basis it was horrible the type of **** i imagine smokey d likes to read

You think I read statistics?

[Reaganista]

yah and you like it

[Mr. Ron]

Called Out

[1338 h4x0r]

That is a huge ****ing pile of bodies

And if you thought that's funny, look at this guy

http://greatwar.nl/picnic/picnic01.jpg

OWNED

[Smokey D]

yah and you like it

I read what the uni tells me, really.

Which at the moment is judgments.

[Reaganista]

but you wish you could back to reading itemized lists about things like the harvest in some village in france in 1789

[Mr. Ron]

June 1st, 1932: 100 bushels of gummibears

[Akira]

Does anyone on here watch Verdict on MSNBC? I appreciate Abrams' desire to represent both sides of the isle on his panels, but Brad Blakeman needs to just go away. Forever. I want to start a letter-writing campaign or something. :p
He's like Steve, only you can have a decent conversation with Steve on an issue besides politics while Blakeman just seems like a moron in general. He's such an idiot.

[Hababi]

Does anyone on here watch Verdict on MSNBC? I appreciate Abrams' desire to represent both sides of the isle on his panels, but Brad Blakeman needs to just go away. Forever. I want to start a letter-writing campaign or something. :p
He's like Steve, only you can have a decent conversation with Steve on an issue besides politics while Blakeman just seems like a moron in general. He's such an idiot.

:lol: You can have a decent conversation with me on politics too ;) It just works better when you're following the correct logic on issues (agreeing with me) -_-

[Mr. Ron]

Sean Hannity just called Luda a "radical" lmao

[Reaganista]

you can talk to zero about a few things i guess but not rap or disease transmission

[Akira]

Sean Hannity just called Luda a "radical" lmao

That's alright, Billo the Clown has also slammed Nas for peddling in violence.

Speaking of out-of-touch elitists...

[1338 h4x0r]

Bill O'Reilly makes me look positively well-adjusted

[Mr. Ron]

My dad loves him, but then again my father is 60.

[Akira]

That seems pretty solidly in his target demographic.

Bill O'Reilly would be a lot more hilarious if he wasn't so influential.

[1338 h4x0r]

I should have my own talk radio or television program

I'd spend all of my airtime slamming black people, poor people, Arabs and Jewish coastal liberals

I'd make a killing

[gregulus]

ron, f you for posting that link to arrested development. now i'm watching that instead of studying for my final tomorrow.

[Mr. Ron]

You just described Rush limbaugh @ Chris



ron, f you for posting that link to arrested development. now i'm watching that instead of studying for my final tomorrow.


I didn't post it.

[1338 h4x0r]

You just described Rush limbaugh @ Chris

Oh yeah

I'm going to generate material for my show by making provably correct arguments, then introducing errors into the premisses on purpose and then changing the conclusion to fit.

I'll have a cult following soon enough

[Akira]

I should have my own talk radio or television program

I'd spend all of my airtime slamming black people, poor people, Arabs and Jewish coastal liberals

I'd make a killing

You'd get picked up by Fox within a month.

[1338 h4x0r]

It would be easy. The only thing I would have to do is indulge in every logical fallacy I hate and appeal to people's hatred.

[Akira]

It would be easy. The only thing I would have to do is indulge in every logical fallacy I hate and appeal to people's hatred.

Steve could be a regular commentator.

[1338 h4x0r]

I would love to have Steve on my show, since making retarded arguments is natural to him

[Iskandar]

Guys, how do you convince a diehard Baptist that near-death experiences are merely hallucinations?

Seriously, it's like deprogramming a cult member.

[Akira]

Well science won't work, so just beat him up.

Rick Davis makes me sick.

[Iskandar]

I'm trying to explain why I trust science instead of random cranks on Youtube, to no avail.

[Mr. Ron]

Guys, how do you convince a diehard Baptist that near-death experiences are merely hallucinations?

Seriously, it's like deprogramming a cult member.

Have you shown him scientific journals?

[Iskandar]

Have you shown him scientific journals?
Yes, I showed him the work of several psychologists.

He claimed scientists know nothing.

[Mr. Ron]

Typical.

[gregulus]

i love that argument. "scientists don't know what they're talking about. they just make **** up."

[Iskandar]

I'd like to deprogram a cult member. I could use all of the techniques I learned from arguing with theists.

[gregulus]

I'd like to deprogram a cult member. I could use all of the techniques I learned from arguing with theists.

Most aren't really stupid. At least they don't deny that science knows anything.

[Mr. Ron]

i love that argument. "scientists don't know what they're talking about. they just make **** up."

Thats the problem, many people DO think that scientists make things up. They don't understand how rigorous and difficult it is to publish REAL scientific journals, writings and theories in the scientific community.

[guitrguy]

Guys, how do you convince a diehard Baptist that near-death experiences are merely hallucinations?

Seriously, it's like deprogramming a cult member.

Tell him the chemical is DMT, lace his drink with it, and booyah!

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U7nH9yc9Y


badass

[gregulus]

Tell him the chemical is DMT, lace his drink with it, and booyah!

I thought it was also caused by a huge rush of endorphins? Perhaps I'm wrong. I don't know about near-death experiences.

[Reaganista]

prove that scientists dont make everything up

[Mr. Ron]

okay:

[Reaganista]

the religionists made everything up
okay
the scientists made everything up
that's blasphemy!

[1338 h4x0r]

Guys, how do you convince a diehard Baptist that near-death experiences are merely hallucinations?

Seriously, it's like deprogramming a cult member.

It might be more than one thing.

Although I don't believe in 'Heaven' or 'Hell' as such

[gregulus]

the religionists made everything up
okay
the scientists made everything up
that's blasphemy!

not blasphemy, just stupid.

[Reaganista]

well then you can prove it's not made up

[Mr. Ron]

well then you can prove it's not made up

Because the way the scientific community is set up, scientists just can't go mouthing off about whatever they want ans say its fact. if a scientist wants to publish findings or a theory, he must go through numerous independent reviews of his work by other people in order to be taken seriously. Believe me, if anything is out of order they will be shot down and told to go back top the drawing board. The scientific community is self checking and self regulating.

[1338 h4x0r]

Ron did you get my email

I hope it clears things up

thx

[Mr. Ron]

Ron did you get my email

I hope it clears things up

thx

I didn't check my mail yet.

[1338 h4x0r]

oh ok

[Mr. Ron]

Just read it and responded. haha

[1338 h4x0r]

lol

yr last name is 1337

[Reaganista]

Because the way the scientific community is set up, scientists just can't go mouthing off about whatever they want ans say its fact. if a scientist wants to publish findings or a theory, he must go through numerous independent reviews of his work by other people in order to be taken seriously. Believe me, if anything is out of order they will be shot down and told to go back top the drawing board. The scientific community is self checking and self regulating.
most religions have had this same mechanism to keep their officials on their mandated orthodoxy

prove that the scientific community is not lying not that individual scientists get in trouble for deviating from what the community wants

[1338 h4x0r]

Radical ideas in science are usually not accepted quickly, but eventually, and faster than in many religions

[Reaganista]

that doesnt mean any of it is true

[1338 h4x0r]

There are empirical reasons to believe that accepted widely accepted scientific discoveries are true.

For example, when a scientist (e.g., the late E.W. Dijkstra) devises a way of finding shortest paths through a network (e.g., the Interwebs) and then proves it works on paper, then it's put it into practice and it obviously works even then, it's accepted.

Not very hard to understand.

[Reaganista]

ive no reason to believe any of that or that what he described is actually taking place or that he even ever existed for that matter

[33rd and a half Degree]

semantics

[siva_chair]

I'm 6'3" in your arcane system of measurement, so I would look odd with a 5' woman. Like a cradle-robber or something.

I'm 6'3" and my gf is 5'3" does that count as odd?

I think it is funny because she has to stand on her toes to kiss me.

plus dark features make the eyes + smile brighter.

why anyone goes for pale girls is beyond me

123.

Mine's half-Dominican. Mmmmmmm...

[33rd and a half Degree]

mind not physucal cuz computars cant semantics

[gregulus]

most religions have had this same mechanism to keep their officials on their mandated orthodoxy

prove that the scientific community is not lying not that individual scientists get in trouble for deviating from what the community wants

The first evidences that DNA contained the code for genetic information first came in 1944 when Avery et al. expanded on the work of Fredrick Griffith. The group used a virulent strain of Streptococcus pneumonia and homogenized the cells. After a portion of the cells were homogenized, they treated the culture with proteases and tested for transformation (Griffith was who established that transformation is occurring). Transformation still occurred. The culture was then treated with ribonucleases. Transformation still occurred. The culture was then treated with deoxyribonucleases and and transformation stopped. These results indicated that it was DNA that was responsible for transformation, thus what was the genetic material.

These results were further confirmed in the famous Hershey-Chase experiment. T2 bacteria phages were grown in one E. coli culture containing radioactive phosphorus (labeling DNA) and one culture containing radioactive sulfur (labeling protein). The bacteria phages were then transfered from whichever radioactive culture they were grown in to a non-labeled culture. After a couple of generations, the bacteriophages were knocked off of the cells and the cells were centrifuged and examined. What they found was that the cells in the culture containing phages from the radioactive phosphorous were labeled with radioactive phosphorus, while the cells in culture with phages from radioactive sulfur were not labeled. The radioactive sulfur remained in the supernatant as part of the phage protein. This means that the phages injected their genetic material, DNA, into cells to get them to make new phages.

There's also the fact that scientists can mutate DNA using Polymerase Chain Reaction, transform the synthesized DNA into a cell and the cell will start expressing whatever gene was coded for in the synthesized DNA.

Anyone who thinks that scientists lie about things are just dumb.

I'm sure you're just trolling, but it's fun to jog the memory about this kind of stuff. Some people on here may also find the aforementioned experiments interesting. But they'll probably just think I'm an idiot for caring that much.

[Amit]

tway's posts also remind me of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millikan_oil_drop#Millikan.27s_experiment_and_carg o_cult_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science

[Dr Hooch]

The oil drop experiment is stupidly difficult to do

If i recall since we were using video cameras some bright spark decided we needed iMacs so we spent the entire afternoon setting other people's computers to read out the time every fifteen minutes and setting the desktop backgrounds as hi res pictures of aardvarks

[siva_chair]

The oil drop experiment is stupidly difficult to do

If i recall since we were using video cameras some bright spark decided we needed iMacs so we spent the entire afternoon setting other people's computers to read out the time every fifteen minutes and setting the desktop backgrounds as hi res pictures of aardvarks

Everyone needs iMacs.

It is essential for human progress.

[mph4ever]

I'm 6'3" and my gf is 5'3" does that count as odd?

I think it is funny because she has to stand on her toes to kiss me.





would you not lean forward a little?

[siva_chair]

would you not lean forward a little?

Sure I do most of the time, but it's still adorable to make her reach for it.


Holy crap I just used the word adorable. ...

[BridgeToSolace]

Lady's got to work for some sugar.

Pale girls are fine depending on the girl.

[siva_chair]

Lady's got to work for some sugar.

:thumb:

If I gave it all away for free, she'd turn into a diabetic.

[mph4ever]

bucket please

[siva_chair]

Gotta pee or something?

[mph4ever]

no, puke, hahahahaha

[siva_chair]

Did you eat something to upset your tummy?

[mph4ever]

here we go, this would be fun but i got to go and see my very ill mother in hospital man, sorry

[siva_chair]

here we go, this would be fun but i got to go and see my very ill mother in hospital man, sorry

Oh so the bucket is for her I see.

[mph4ever]

hehehehehe, to be expected

[siva_chair]

Well that is very considerate of you to consider bringing your sick mother a bucket to vomit in.

[mph4ever]

well you have to try and help and be considerate in times of need. i really appreciate your efforts to try and cheer me up in these difficult times

[Mr. Ron]

You guys hear about that poor Canadian kid who got his head hacked off on a bus?

[guitrguy]

yeah, I was a bit disturbed after reading the article.

[spitfirejunky]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7535840.stm

[mph4ever]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7535840.stm


now thats disturbing

[Akira]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/defying_subpoena_dod.php

The DoD told the head of the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office to ignore a subpoena relating to sexual assault in the military.
If you're not family with the assualt issue, the GAO just reported that sexual assault in the military may be under-reported by as much as 50%. That is considering that the Pentagon has said that 2,700 sexual assaults were reported in 2007.

This refusal is really nothing short of despicable.

EDIT: Video added in case TPM is considered unreliable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi9Sb5nsnAM

[gregulus]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/defying_subpoena_dod.php

The DoD told the head of the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office to ignore a subpoena relating to sexual assault in the military.
If you're not family with the assualt issue, the GAO just reported that sexual assault in the military may be under-reported by as much as 50%. That is considering that the Pentagon has said that 2,700 sexual assaults were reported in 2007.

This refusal is really nothing short of despicable.

EDIT: Video added in case TPM is considered unreliable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi9Sb5nsnAM
Well, that's ridiculous.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html


This really disgusts me.

[siva_chair]

You guys hear about that poor Canadian kid who got his head hacked off on a bus?

Yeah that was messed up.

[gregulus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUH1H-b-N5o&feature=related

[Reaganista]

**** nietzsche apologists

[Der Übermensch]

I'd take offense to that, but since it's you, I'll just say blaß mir einen.

[Reaganista]

ok.

[Hababi]

See I started a thread on something unrelated to the 08 election, so now Smokey can stop complaining that it's all I concentrate on :p

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUH1H-b-N5o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaiDKlQE28w

[gregulus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaiDKlQE28w

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/knowitmany/ww2.gif

[Radiobass81]

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/knowitmany/ww2.gif
:lol:

Great.

[gregulus]

:lol:

Great.

my favorite line is probably, "don't be a commie oops too late."

[Radiobass81]

my favorite line is probably, "don't be a commie oops too late."

Definitely.

[stevensonmat2]

Could anyone recommend me a good edition of Thucydides' History of The Peloponnesian War?

[spitfirejunky]

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/knowitmany/ww2.gif

****ing gold. :lol::lol:

[spitfirejunky]

my favorite line is probably, "don't be a commie oops too late."

"you were in a depression now you got ****ing armies wtf hax"

[dei]

benny~tow

[Akira]

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax/index.html

I would suggest people read this piece. It asks some great questions about the anthrax case.

Essentially, it concerns the fact that ABC News repeatedly claimed that the anthrax contained benonite, which could link it to Hussein's Iraq. However, this is totally false. ABC now refuses to disclose the names of the four "sources" who gave them this info. Protecting the identities of sources is important, but these people are liars, hawks who dishonestly connected the anthrax attacks to Iraq. They deserve no anonymity.

Oh yeah, and McCain, several days before ABC News broke the story, said that there might be an Iraq connection. I'm curious as to what his evidence was.

[Hababi]

because evidence never turns out to be faulty

[Mr. Ron]

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/knowitmany/ww2.gif

amazing

"luftwaffles"


:lol:

[Akira]

because evidence never turns out to be faulty

What evidence? There was never a single test that showed that the anthrax contained bentonite. Not one. That was completely fabricated.
As I said, if McCain had some other evidence I'd be interested in hearing it.

[Akira]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op3vtRF_cDs

Holy hell. I feel embarrassed for Franks watching that. He knows absolutely nothing about Iraq or the "war on terror."

[Reaganista]

Could anyone recommend me a good edition of Thucydides' History of The Peloponnesian War?

the free ones online

[Iscariot]

just when i thought mccain couldn't get any worse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfQwTQK-0M

:rolleyes:

[descendents1]

he recently did a commercial with britney spears and paris hilton in it that implied something negative about obama and the other two parties...and little did he know (because he is old) that paris's mother donated to his campaign wow what a jerk

[siva_chair]

Even if paris hilton's mother donated money to me I would still make fun of her.

[Akira]

The Hiltons are apparently withdrawing their support though, lol.

[siva_chair]

Ahh well ****'em. They still deserve to be made fun of.

[kappala]

that they dude

[gregulus]

eva green is so hot.

[kappala]

damn right, son. damn right.

[Akira]

Seriously.

[McP3000]

Eva Green is just "hot". Not "so hot".

[Iscariot]

her face is weird

great tits though

[Hababi]

Speaking of playing the race card:
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=46788

[kappala]

her face is weird

great tits though

they make me crave milk

[gregulus]

her face is beautiful

great tits too

fix'd

[McP3000]

Speaking of playing the race card:
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=46788
wow the article wasnt very well written, but all i got out of it is that some congressmen had an ad and accidently stood next to a kkk person or something idk

[Hababi]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/04/race-baiting-ad-of-the-day-democrat-compares-opponent-to-klansman/
that includes the ad.

[kappala]

steve we are trying to talk about tits here!

[Hababi]

steve we are trying to talk about tits here!

wtf did your regular alt get banned?

[gregulus]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/04/race-baiting-ad-of-the-day-democrat-compares-opponent-to-klansman/
that includes the ad.

seriously, lay off your partisan **** for one minute and enjoy the shape of a beautiful woman. christ.

[kappala]

no I like bigger avatars I can change on my own.

[dei]

Eva Green is the most beautiful woman in the world.

[Hababi]

no I like bigger avatars I can change on my own.

This sn is simply not acceptable. It's confusing.

[kappala]

how is it confusing?

[Hababi]

how is it confusing?

Because it reminds me of another username...I don't know which one, but someone's.

[McP3000]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/04/race-baiting-ad-of-the-day-democrat-compares-opponent-to-klansman/
that includes the ad.
dude that totally stupid. Do the black people even understand the history of the kkk and nathan?

off wiki:
The Klan used Forrest's name in recruiting. In 1869, Forrest, disagreeing with its increasingly violent tactics, ordered the Klan to disband. He stated it was "being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace.
He was apart of it but he greatly disapproved of what the kkk had become over the years. He joined it think it was going to be a rich man's/gentleman club versus a bunch of murderers.

[Hababi]

Plus there's the whole thing of linking a Jewish guy with an avowedly anti-Jewish group ;)

[McP3000]

You'd think more black people would vote republican. They can be so reactionary and socially conservative.

[Iscariot]

fix'd

no i had it right the first time

[Dr Hooch]

you'd Think More Black People Would Vote.

Hmmm

[McP3000]

that too

[Iscariot]

in order to vote black people would first need to learn how to read and write

[dei]

You'd think more black people would vote republican. They can be so reactionary and socially conservative.

Same with Latinos.

[Iscariot]

in order for latinos to vote they would first need to learn how to read and write in english

[Mr. Ron]

In order for any one of those groups to vote they should stop being lazy mud people.

[gregulus]

some guy on another forum said that guy fawkes was an anarchist and that york was north of england earlier tonight.

[Dimmu Burger]

In order for any one of those groups to vote they should stop being lazy mud people.

oh snap!

[Mr. Ron]

I mean, those kind of people are causing all the problems these days!

[ringworm]

who else is digging Generation Kill?

i vote it as one of the better war series i've seen in awhile

[gregulus]

it really bugs me when people preface an argument with "here's an idea" or "guess what."

[Mr. Ron]

who else is digging Generation Kill?

i vote it as one of the better war series i've seen in awhile

Haven't seen it because my dad decided to be a dick and cancel HBO after the Sopranos finished.

[McP3000]

weak

[The AntiJew]

guess what here's an idea you suck

[siva_chair]

Enrolling in a new college is a pain in the ***.

I almost forgot all the crap you have to do.

More Skewling 4 m3!

[ringworm]

lol @ sopranos

why did he wait so long to cancel it?

it sucked balls many seasons ago :lol:

Generation Kill is awesome though



You'd think more black people would vote republican. They can be so reactionary and socially conservative.

actually, i've always thought they did?

in fact, i'll try to dig up a few articles that ponder why so many black people do tend to stick with republican values

[Hababi]

lol @ sopranos

why did he wait so long to cancel it?

it sucked balls many seasons ago :lol:

Generation Kill is awesome though





actually, i've always thought they did?

in fact, i'll try to dig up a few articles that ponder why so many black people do tend to stick with republican values

Religiosity is high in AA communities. So, social values are more conservative. But because a democrat president passed civil rights (over the objection of southern democrats), their political affiliation is 80-90% Democrat. It didn't help that for a while you had a few open bigots in the GOP senate/house.

[siva_chair]

Because black people, like elephants, never forget (except when it comes to paying bills). They will never forget who freed the slaves and brought them one step closer to their revenge on whitey.

[Hababi]

Republicans freed the slaves and got two black senators in the deep south :cool:

[siva_chair]

Republicans freed the slaves and got two black senators in the deep south :cool:

Yeah my post was for ringworms above yours concerning republican values, but you had to go all ninja and sneak yours in before I could push Submit.

The Republicans have shifted quite a bit over the past 50-60 or so years.

[Hababi]

That's my style :D

[siva_chair]

Sneakin' up like celery, yeah Steve's stalking....

[kappala]

Republicans freed the slaves and got two black senators in the deep south :cool:

republicans were also a much different party back than.

[Hababi]

republicans were also a much different party back than.

it's pretty hard to compare parties of today to parties of 150 years ago :p

[kappala]

I know, that's the point.

[siva_chair]

I wish more Democrats were like Grover Cleveland. I think he was my favorite Democrat.

Well besides maybe Andrew Jackson. That guy was a total badass.

[Hababi]

I wish more Democrats were like Grover Cleveland. I think he was my favorite Democrat.

Well besides maybe Andrew Jackson. That guy was a total badass.

I say TR, minus the bit of nasty anti-Indian remarks :cool:

[siva_chair]

I say TR, minus the bit of nasty anti-Indian remarks :cool:

TR was a Republican/Progressive, though.

And yes, no one is perfect. Me being part, injun the mistreatment of Amerindians stings a bit, but **** happens.

[kappala]

Can I use the cool smiley yet?

[Hababi]

no.

[kappala]

but I'm a godless liberal.

[Hababi]

exactly we need a :heathen: emoticon for you. It's a frowny on top of flames.

[kappala]

Or viking cover in blood with an inverted cross.

[DeathMagnetik]

lol krappla posting in politics forum

that boy is too stupid for college

the mods banned his main account for him stinking up the forums like usual.....

[Akira]

I say TR, minus the bit of nasty anti-Indian remarks :cool:

I totally have a T-shirt reppin' TR:
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=18366

[Der Übermensch]

TR was a Republican/Progressive, though.

And yes, no one is perfect. Me being part, injun the mistreatment of Amerindians stings a bit, but **** happens.

He would have been a Democrat now though... I like how McCain said he would emulate TR when asked about who he would... and the Reps havn't picked up on just how much of an anti-big business ol'Trust Busting Teddy was...

[Hababi]

There's no way TR would be a Democrat now. Well, possibly a Joe Lieberman Democrat.

[Akira]

Joe Lieberman's not a Democrat, he's a slug.

If he was alive today, my guess is that TR would definitely be a Republican, but he wouldn't have a shot in hell at the presidency because he wouldn't embrace neoconservatism.

[Hababi]

Joe Lieberman's not a Democrat, he's a slug.

:lol: Classy.

Lieberman is putting his country above his party. Something BO won't ever do.

[gregulus]

TR looked like such a hard ***.

[Akira]

:lol: Classy.

Lieberman is putting his country above his party. Something BO won't ever do.

Lieberman isn't putting his country above ****. The Democrats ignored him in 2004 because no one liked him, so now he's trying the other side of the isle.

Cut the rhetoric. John McCain has Karl Rove's protegee on his campaign. He's claimed to support George Bush on every important issue. The "independent maverick" McCain is dead and buried.

[Akira]

TR looked like such a hard ***.

It's funny, because he was such a sickly kid, then he just like exploded and became a BAMF.

[Hababi]

Lieberman isn't putting his country above ****. The Democrats ignored him in 2004 because no one liked him, so now he's trying the other side of the isle.

Hardly. Lieberman is a democrat. He caucuses with the democrats. He agrees with the democrats on many issues. But he's supporting the clearly better candidate. He's saying no to the wimp community organizer cult leader and yes to an American hero.


He's claimed to support George Bush on every important issue. The "independent maverick" McCain is dead and buried.

:lol: Talking points ITT

McCain agrees with Bush that we shouldn't raise taxes. Obama disagrees and wants to raise taxes. McCain and Bush and 70+% of the population want to drill, Obama doesn't.

[Knifeboy]

yes to an American hero.

:lol: Talking points ITT

:rolleyes:

[Dr Hooch]

McCain lost 5 fighter jets for his country knifeboy

that's more than you've done

[Hababi]

It's not a talking point, it's a statement of fact. Never before in American history has such a divide of worthiness of the candidates been so evident.

A man who has done NOTHING in life vs. a man who survived 5 1/2 years as a POW in the worst of conditions and whent on to become a very accomplished lawmaker with a long record of bipartisan accomplishment.

What has Obama done? Failed at community organizing, while making a lot of money. Wrote a book about himself. Failed as a financial adviser. Failed as a house candidate. Voted "present" hundreds of times while in the Illinois state senate. Pulled the WRONG LEVER multiple times. Been a high profile face of a hate church. Got elected to the senate after digging up sex scandals on his opponents. Started personality cult and scammed his way to the nomination.

[McP3000]

actually, i've always thought they did?

in fact, i'll try to dig up a few articles that ponder why so many black people do tend to stick with republican values
Voting Trends

* In 2000, African-Americans constituted the second largest group of voting-age citizens (12%).
* The voting rate for African-American citizens increased from 53% in 1996 to 57% in 2000.
* Whites and African Americas have similar patterns of voting participation by age, educational attainment, and family income.
* African-Americans have traditionally voted for the Democratic Party and during the 1996 election, 84% voted for Clinton. The African-American support for the Democratic Party increased during the 2000 election with 90% voting for Gore.
* Out of the 63.9% of black men registered to vote in the 2000 election, 53% reported to vote and out of the 70.3% of black women registered to vote on 59.7% reported to vote.
* Data analysis revealed that African-American women’s votes had a significant impact on the outcome of both the 1992 and the 1996 Presidential elections.
* African-Americans were the only race or ethnic group to show an increase in voter participation in congressional elections. Their presence at the polls rose from 7% in 1994 to 40% in 1998

from:
http://www.nwaforchange.org/nwa/priority_htmls/political_factsheets_AfAm.htm

[Knifeboy]

It's not a talking point, it's a statement of fact. Never before in American history has such a divide of worthiness of the candidates been so evident.

:rolleyes:

[dei]

Black Americans vote Democrat but their social views are more in line with Republicans, IMO.

[McP3000]

thats what i said

[dei]

Oh. I only read your last post and all it says is that blacks vote Democrat.

Sorry.

[kappala]

I vote awesome

[Akira]

How exactly is quoting John McCain a "talking point"? He said that he agrees with George Bush on every important issue. George Bush has let this country down on most important issues.
Put two and two together.

[Hababi]

How exactly is quoting John McCain a "talking point"? He said that he agrees with George Bush on every important issue.

Like what?



George Bush has let this country down on most important issues.

Like what?


Put two and two together.

Two talking points=0 substantive points.

Vs my post of substantive points concerning Obama's entirely unremarkable life story. He's basically a very successful con man.

[Dr Hooch]

conned people into thinking what?

What you have is on the one side a pretty unremarkable guy and on the other side a pretty mediocre pilot.

[Hababi]

Conned people into thinking he's had a remarkable life
into thinking he grew up poor
into thinking he was a very lowly paid community organizer
into thinking that he associates with middle america
into believing that he's a transformative leader
into giving him the nomination over a candidate who would have a 10 pt advantage.

[kappala]

Fair and Balanced Steve News

[Dr Hooch]

Conned people into thinking he's had a remarkable life
into thinking he grew up poor
into thinking he was a very lowly paid community organizer
into thinking that he associates with middle america

I never got that impression. He just came across as another politician to me, who people support just because he's the very epitome of Not Bush within the hopelessly limited framework of american politics.

into believing that he's a transformative leader

people actually believe that? Granted, i acknowledge he says change but gives no policy stance to support this.


into giving him the nomination over a candidate who would have a 10 pt advantage.

I still think america will be better off under obama than it ever could have been under clinton; one term of obama might be what it takes to help to rebuild shattered links with europe so that we can start to work together again on world issues.

I don't particularly like him, but from an international point of view it'd be a very good thing if he won the next election.

[ringworm]

one term of obama might be what it takes to help to rebuild shattered links with europe so that we can start to work together again on world issues.

deer lord dont say that

that alone will make many vote for mccain

the fear of being anything like you gice will cause a knee jerk reaction we dont need :)

[Dr Hooch]

deer lord dont say that

that alone will make many vote for mccain

the fear of being anything like you gice will cause a knee jerk reaction we dont need :)

This is why the world is screwed

you don't have to want to be like us

but you cowboys need to stop making decisions on behalf of the whole world

[Hababi]

I never got that impression. He just came across as another politician to me, who people support just because he's the very epitome of Not Bush within the hopelessly limited framework of american politics.

He's much more like Bush in many ways than McCain. But Obama's been releasing ads claiming that he grew up poor. Repeatedly in speeches he has misrepresented his salary as a community organizer. He claims to have 'kansas values' despite badmouthing middle america to elitists in San Francisco.



people actually believe that? Granted, i acknowledge he says change but gives no policy stance to support this.

Yes, this is what his followers believe. Heck just look at the Will.I.Am videos :p




I don't particularly like him, but from an international point of view it'd be a very good thing if he won the next election.

Despite that he's pledged himself to bullying Latin American nations into renegotiating trade agreements to favor US unions? And talked of unilaterally striking Pakistan?

[Radiobass81]

This is why the world is screwed

you don't have to want to be like us

but you cowboys need to stop making decisions on behalf of the whole world

<3.

Thoughts on how the Olympics will turn out, in all senses?

[kappala]

USA will slaughter the souls of other nations in Basketball.

[gregulus]

Conned people into thinking he's had a remarkable life
into thinking he grew up poor
into thinking he was a very lowly paid community organizer
into thinking that he associates with middle america
into believing that he's a transformative leader
into giving him the nomination over a candidate who would have a 10 pt advantage.

Steve, no one really cares where he came from. They care about him not being George Bush #2.

[Knifeboy]

He's much more like Bush in many ways than McCain.

:rolleyes:

[Akira]

Like what?

You'd have to ask McCain. According to him, everything. I'm not saying he's said "I support x" and Bush does to. He literally said "No. No. I-the fact is that I'm different but the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush."

[Hababi]

You'd have to ask McCain. According to him, everything. I'm not saying he's said "I support x" and Bush does to. He literally said "No. No. I-the fact is that I'm different but the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush."

If you can't name an issue, and can only name an out of context quote, then maybe you ought to do a little more research ;)

McCain voted against a white house supported, pork-laiden energy bill. One that Mr Obama happened to vote for.
McCain called for a surge, against a recalcitrant white house.
McCain opposes a marriage amendment. George Bush supports it.
McCain wants to double the child tax credit. Bush does not.

[Akira]

So McCain lied to get the support of Bush supporters.

There is nothing "out of context" about the quote. Tim Russert asserted that he was actually different than Bush politically, and McCain vehemently corrected him. Either McCain is similar to Bush, or Mr. Straight Talk was doing some serious double talking.

[Hababi]

So McCain lied to get the support of Bush supporters.

There is nothing "out of context" about the quote. Tim Russert asserted that he was actually different than Bush politically, and McCain vehemently corrected him. Either McCain is similar to Bush, or Mr. Straight Talk was doing some serious double talking.

On a matter of some principles, he is correct. neither wants to raise taxes, unlike Obama. Neither wants to embrace defeatist foreign policies, unlike Obama. Neither is ashamed of their country, unlike Obama. Neither hang out with racists and radicals, unlike Obama.

[Akira]

On a matter of some principles, he is correct. neither wants to raise taxes, unlike Obama. Neither wants to embrace defeatist foreign policies, unlike Obama. Neither is ashamed of their country, unlike Obama. Neither hang out with racists and radicals, unlike Obama.

McCain doesn't want to raise taxes, but if he doesn't his government won't have any money. Every Republican campaigns on not raising taxes, it wins votes. Then they either get elected and tax or irresponsibly borrow.

Obama isn't ashamed of this country. If anything, he's ashamed of this country's recent actions. And being ashamed of a government which lies a nation into an illegal war is something that I would consider a positive, not a negative.

Well Islam in general - those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews.

All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.

Yeah. McCain doesn't hang out with racists or radicals.

[Hababi]

McCain doesn't want to raise taxes, but if he doesn't his government won't have any money. Every Republican campaigns on not raising taxes, it wins votes. Then they either get elected and tax or irresponsibly borrow.

wait was FDR irresponsible?



Obama isn't ashamed of this country. If anything, he's ashamed of this country's recent actions. And being ashamed of a government which lies a nation into an illegal war is something that I would consider a positive, not a negative.


Obama said he's ashamed of Americans because they aren't polyglots. His wife said America is mean, and that she wasn't proud of her country till it began voting for her husband.


Yeah. McCain doesn't hang out with racists or radicals.


Unlike Barack "Kick my senate race off at the home of a domestic terrorist" Obama.

[Radiobass81]

You know, it gets pretty tyring hearing you two argue over the same two people in every thread, buddies.

[Knifeboy]

Steve is this forums biggest troll

[Radiobass81]

Steve is this forums biggest troll

But Akira* should know better and just ignore him.

*=Forgot your name :(.

[Hababi]

Akira's way more in troll mode than I am :p

[Radiobass81]

Akira's way more in troll mode than I am :p

'least he doesn't make two threads about McCain/US elections a week.

[Iskandar]

The worst part about Steve is that he isn't trolling.

[Mr. Ron]

Obama and McCain both kind of suck, but I think we're going to be better off with Obama. Well, we'll suffer in taxes, thats not something I look forward too.

[Akira]

Akira's way more in troll mode than I am :p

You just made the assertion that John Hagee is not a radical, and I'm the troll? :p

You also believe that every American has to be proud of America just by virtue of being born here. That's just nationalism, and I mean the scary kind.

[Hababi]

Haggee's an idiot with no connection to McCain other than having endorsed him in the primary.

Hamas endorsed Obama.

Link McCain with Haggee and I'll link Obama with Hamas

[Dr Hooch]

<3.

Thoughts on how the Olympics will turn out, in all senses?

2012? They'll be absolutely AWFUL stay the hell away

2008? I dunno. probably lots of unrealistic nice faces of china will be shown to the world and the shitty government will carry on refusing to acknowledge they're not perfect

[dei]

Haggee's an idiot with no connection to McCain other than having endorsed him in the primary.

Hamas endorsed Obama.

Link McCain with Haggee and I'll link Obama with Hamas

Come on, Steve.

[Knifeboy]

Akira's way more in troll mode than I am :p

Akira only replies, you're always the one starting

[Radiobass81]

2012? They'll be absolutely AWFUL stay the hell away

2008? I dunno. probably lots of unrealistic nice faces of china will be shown to the world and the poopty government will carry on refusing to acknowledge they're not perfect

It was '08.

But I don't know, I want to see the '12, just because tennis will be at Wimbledon :p

[Smokey D]

but you wish you could back to reading itemized lists about things like the harvest in some village in france in 1789

I had to do that for my French revolution paper.

I'm more of a big picture guy.

[ringworm]

but you cowboys need to stop making decisions on behalf of the whole world

believe me, most of us would like more people in office less concerned about dictating what everyone else does :)

[kappala]

the '16 olympic games will be in my house.

yes I will be that rich in 8 years.

[Akira]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/world/middleeast/06surplus.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Interesting.

[gregulus]

what is it about hot and sour soup that makes it retain heat for much longer than other foods?

[Mr. Ron]

Ancient Chinese secwet

[Akira]

Ancient Chinese secwet

So MSG?

[kappala]

probably

[gregulus]

the people at the chinese place near my house are all fluent in spanish. they learned both english and spanish and i'm too lazy to actually learn any foreign language.


/typical american i suppose.

[Akira]

Pffbt, if they can speak English I bet it's not good Chinese. :p :thumb:

[siva_chair]

He would have been a Democrat now though... I like how McCain said he would emulate TR when asked about who he would... and the Reps havn't picked up on just how much of an anti-big business ol'Trust Busting Teddy was...

I don't think we can really say that for certain.

There are still those within the Republican party that favor small business.

So McCain lied to get the support of Bush supporters.

They both lie to get support.

[kappala]

They both lie to get support.
a conservative talking sense! ;)

[siva_chair]

a conservative talking sense! ;)

What do you mean by conservative?

[kappala]

libertarian

[siva_chair]

Oh ok.

[kappala]

libertarians are cool in my book. The only major disagreement I have with them is on economics, even then economics aren't that big of a deal to me.

[Knifeboy]

libertarians are cool in my book. The only major disagreement I have with them is on economics, even then economics aren't that big of a deal to me.


Same, I'm a socioliberterian, or whatever you call that in english, basically half liberterian half communist

[siva_chair]

Same, I'm a socioliberterian, or whatever you call that in english, basically half liberterian half communist

I'd agree with some principles of communism if I thought they were realistic.

I rather like Mutualism, too. I think that seems relatively feasable.

I dunno, perhaps some sort of mutualistic/free market capitalist hybrid system could work....

[Der Übermensch]

I keep meaning to make a Mutualism thread, and never get around too it :-\

[siva_chair]

I keep meaning to make a Mutualism thread, and never get around too it :-\

Get to it dammit. :smash:

[McP3000]

Mutualism seems pretty damn implausible

[siva_chair]

Mutualism seems pretty damn implausible

Nah, there are small time examples of more mutualistic practices even in America.

Hell I buy a lot of my groceries from an employee-owned grocery store. It seems to do just fine. Actually, I take that back, I don't really go there much anymore since I moved. Still, they can be very successful.

[McP3000]

From what i understand of mutualism, it is an idealistic pseudo-anarchist/capitalist society

but i might be missing something.

[gregulus]

From what i understand of mutualism, it is an idealistic pseudo-anarchist/capitalist society

but i might be missing something.

pseudo-anarchist? proudhon was hardly a "pseudo-anarchist."

[siva_chair]

pseudo-anarchist? proudhon was hardly a "pseudo-anarchist."

Well he never listened to punk music so he couldn't possibly be a REAL anarchist.....:cool:

[gregulus]

Well he never listened to punk music so he couldn't possibly be a REAL anarchist.....:cool:

up da punx

[Smokey D]

Same, I'm a socioliberterian, or whatever you call that in english, basically half liberterian half communist

Left libertarians. They barely exist at all in Anglo countries.

[Mr. Ron]

I have no clue what I am.

[gregulus]

i'm kvlt as fuk

....

[gregulus]

that post made me wonder where 1338 has been. was he arrested for animal cruelty? who snitched?

[Mr. Ron]

Chris more or less quite because he said MX took up too much time from his work. There are other reasons but that is the main one.

[Smokey D]

He was banned for his bitch fight with 33rd Degree, and then he came back on an alt announcing he had too much to do or something and was leaving MX.

[Mr. Ron]

I had a long discussion with him on AIM about it the other night, he had his reasons. I'm not going to say what the other ones were, though.

[siva_chair]

Poor little fella was probably tired of people picking on him.....

[Mr. Ron]

Chris is actually a very nice person once you actually talk to him.

[siva_chair]

I didn't say he wasn't.

I actually had nothing against him (or anyone here for that matter). I just liked flaming him because it was fun. Some people are more fun to mess with than others.