PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[siva_chair]

yeah i have no idea what that was about but it looks interesting. pineapple express looks good simply because i love the MIA song they put in the trailer lol

Well the Watchmen is based on a DC graphic novel from the mid 80's. It is still the only graphic novel to ever win a Hugo Award and be on the list of Time Magazine's list of "the 100 best English-language novels from 1923 to the present."

In short: It is badass.

[Dr Hooch]

Watchmen is incredible. I'm reading it at the moment (nothing to do with film, had been meaning to for ages)

it is however unfilmable. don't think i even want to watch it, especially after what they did to V for Vendetta.

I'm not surprised you like it actually siva.

[DeathMagnetic]

i have to get up in 5 hours i dont know why im still posting

[siva_chair]

Watchmen is incredible. I'm reading it at the moment (nothing to do with film, had been meaning to for ages)

it is however unfilmable. don't think i even want to watch it, especially after what they did to V for Vendetta.

The screenshots I have seen for it look pretty impressive, tbh. I thought the same thing about it at first too, but I must say, they could pull it off.

I'm not surprised you like it actually siva.

What is that supposed to mean, exactly?

[Dr Hooch]

It has a much more.... Three dimensional view of conservative attitudes, than most media?

[siva_chair]

It has a much more.... Three dimensional view of conservative attitudes, than most media?

I guess I should take that as a compliment...

I do really like the social and political commentary in that book.

[Dr Hooch]

Rorschach is also one of the most interesting characters from anything ever.

I don't know how they ever made a superman comic ever again after watchmen tbh.

[siva_chair]

Rorschach is also one of the most interesting characters from anything ever.

I don't know how they ever made a superman comic ever again after watchmen tbh.

I agree. Rorschach is a total badass.

Superman is a chump compared to others. I always preferred Batman in the DC world to him anyhow. Although there were a couple of good Superman books.

[PerpetualBurn]

No doubt.

Still doesn't make that particular opinion an objectively true fact, which was clearly my point.

No, you see it's an obvious deduction that the neutrality of the Red Cross should be preserved.

[mph4ever]

No, you see it's an obvious deduction that the neutrality of the Red Cross should be preserved.

the loss of the perceived total neutrality and independence will only lead to more pain and suffering for those in war zones

[siva_chair]

No, you see it's an obvious deduction that the neutrality of the Red Cross should be preserved.

Once again, depends upon your goals and motivations, dumbass. This isn't hard to get.

[Dr Hooch]

either everything you've ever said is opinion (including the opinionity of PB's statement) or he's right.

That is to say, either communication is pointless, or he's right.

[siva_chair]

either everything you've ever said is opinion (including the opinionity of PB's statement) or he's right.

That is to say, either communication is pointless, or he's right.

No, to a group that doesn't give any bit of a damn about perserving the neutrality of the Red Cross or international law, that kind of a move wouldn't be inherently be stupid, as it might further their goals. You can't "deduce" that it was a stupid move for someone just because your goals or ideals don't neccessarily align with someone else's. Thus, saying it was stupid is a subjective opinion.

Even if most people think it is a stupid thing to do because they do care about perserving said neutrality and whatnot, argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

[PerpetualBurn]

Once again, depends upon your goals and motivations, dumbass. This isn't hard to get.

Well unless you have stupid motivations you'd want to preserve the neutrality of the Red Cross.

But then that would be stupid.

No, to a group that doesn't give any bit of a damn about perserving the neutrality of the Red Cross or international law, that kind of a move wouldn't be inherently be stupid, as it might further their goals. You can't "deduce" that it was a stupid move for someone just because your goals or ideals don't neccessarily align with someone else's. Thus, saying it was stupid is a subjective opinion.

You could more simplistically phrase this as:

If their motivations were stupid, then it wouldn't be stupid to be stupid.

Retard.

Plus this entirely undermines your original idea that this wasn't a stupid way to save the hostages. Since the Red Cross is obviously of importance to them.

[siva_chair]

Well unless you have stupid motivations you'd want to preserve the neutrality of the Red Cross.

But then that would be stupid.

Opinions are fun aren't they?

You could more simplistically phrase this as:

If their motivations were stupid, then it wouldn't be stupid to be stupid.

Retard.

Plus this entirely undermines your original idea that this wasn't a stupid way to save the hostages. Since the Red Cross is obviously of importance to them.

Yeah go ahead and keep trying to play your opinion off as objective fact.

[PerpetualBurn]

Hmm...if I call things opinion then I don't have to refute the argument...

Yeah go ahead and keep trying to play your opinion off as objective fact.

It's your opinion that it's my opinion.

And you ignored the part where I proved your original statement wrong. Because the Red Cross is indisputably in their interest.

[siva_chair]

Hmm...if I call things opinion then I don't have to refute the argument...

Well when your argument is based on a personal opinion, no matter how popular or widespread it may be, it is kinda pointless to try and "refute it."

Your argument pretty much amounts to "I think it is stupid, so it is stupid" which is certainly not objective in any way.


It's your opinion that it's my opinion.

Well considering that you have displayed how it is anything but....

And you ignored the part where I proved your original statement wrong. Because the Red Cross is indisputably in their interest.

Yeah ok.

[PerpetualBurn]

Well when your argument is based on a personal opinion, no matter how popular or widespread it may be, it is kinda pointless to try and "refute it."

Your argument pretty much amounts to "I think it is stupid, so it is stupid" which is certainly not objective in any way.

That's just your opinion.




Well considering that you have displayed how it is anything but....



Yeah ok.

In your opinion I haven't.

[siva_chair]

That's just your opinion.

Yes it sure is.

In your opinion I haven't.

I guess you displayed it with invisible posts because I sure haven't seen it.

In my opinion.

[PerpetualBurn]

That's all opinion. We don't value opinion.

[Akira]

Siva, how is it not in the Colombian government's interest to preserve the neutrality of the Red Cross?

My biggest issue with this is that it worked once. It will never work again, because the FARC won't fall for it again. So no more good will come out of it for the Colombian government, but plenty of more hard will come to Red Cross workers who may very well have trouble operating in Colombia.

[Akira]

Holy crap, this goes deeper than a Red Cross emblem:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/18/colombia.website/index.html

[siva_chair]

Siva, how is it not in the Colombian government's interest to preserve the neutrality of the Red Cross?

Well if you look back you'll see that wasn't what the issue evolved into.

I explicitly stated that I didn't neccessarily support said method of going about getting the prisoners (because I happen to believe in some sort of international code of conduct of nations), rather that it was a clever way of going about it.

The issue evolved into whether or not it was inherently dumb for someone to do so. I said it is not, depending on one's aims and goals.

My biggest issue with this is that it worked once. It will never work again, because the FARC won't fall for it again. So no more good will come out of it for the Colombian government, but plenty of more hard will come to Red Cross workers who may very well have trouble operating in Colombia.

Well at least against the FARC anyway. That is, unless they are foolish enough to fall for it a second time.

Holy crap, this goes deeper than a Red Cross emblem:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/18/colombia.website/index.html

Lol

To me this just shows that the FARC weren't very observant.

It also is a good example of why you shouldn't trust the internet.

[Iscariot]

lol colombia

[PerpetualBurn]

Well if you look back you'll see that wasn't what the issue evolved into.

I explicitly stated that I didn't neccessarily support said method of going about getting the prisoners (because I happen to believe in some sort of international code of conduct of nations), rather that it was a clever way of going about it.

The issue evolved into whether or not it was inherently dumb for someone to do so. I said it is not, depending on one's aims and goals.



No, actually the inherently stupid comment came much later. You started off saying this was a smart thing to do. Which I've forced you to concede on the basis that violating the neutrality of the Red Cross is a VERY stupid thing for Colombia to do given their goals, but you've been acting like a moron.

[33rd and a half Degree]

What is it with Siva Troll anyways.

[gregulus]

What is it with Siva Troll anyways.

o idk my bff jill

[33rd and a half Degree]

le ghay

[1338 h4x0r]

What is it with Siva Troll anyways.

Pretending you are a D&D Ranger is way more awesome than sissy 'neutrality'

[gregulus]

le ghay

:naughty:

[33rd and a half Degree]

Pretending you are a D&D Ranger is way more awesome than sissy 'neutrality'

umm... wha?

[PerpetualBurn]

What is it with Siva Troll anyways.

Basically, he posts every now and again, and then I pull his strings and sing "Dance, troll, dance." and he makes a tit of himself.

[gregulus]

I just noticed that Werner Heisenberg sort of resembled an Oompa Loompa.

[Iscariot]

i just retook the political compass test to see if my stance had changed and sure enough

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44

[cobert]

It's been a while since I've checked up on that site.

Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.62

[1338 h4x0r]

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

Looks like I've shifted to the right with age

[Iscariot]

i've gotten more authoritarian

my resentment of humanity is reaching a dangerous level

[1338 h4x0r]

Authoritarianism won't fix irrational behavior

Unless it's issued by the supercomputers Colossus and Guardian of course

[cobert]

I have hippy beliefs.

[Iscariot]

my solution to fixing irrational behavior is to kill anyone who disagrees with me

maybe i'm in the wrong here but this seems like a fantastic solution to all of my problems

i'm kind of like the terminator

[1338 h4x0r]

I have hippy beliefs.

I have knit sweater-wearing, indecency-disliking, penny-pinching Social Democrat beliefs but unfortunately I still look like a left-wing loony in this country

my solution to fixing irrational behavior is to kill anyone who disagrees with me

maybe i'm in the wrong here but this seems like a fantastic solution to all of my problems

i'm kind of like the terminator

Yeah me too

eh heh heh

pretty cool

[cobert]

I have knit sweater-wearing, indecency-disliking, penny-pinching Social Democrat beliefs but unfortunately I still look like a left-wing loony in this country

Yes I understand. It's quite unfortunate.

[Iscariot]

Yeah me too

eh heh heh

pretty cool

:robot5:

i'm starting to wonder why i'm a registered democrat

[Akira]

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10

The Political Compass is pretty garbage though. Some of the questions were just so asinine, especially with not "neutral" option.

[Dr Hooch]

that's why i won't take them anymore

"hitler was a god"

strongly agree unsure strongly disagree

[33rd and a half Degree]

Well do you mostly disagree with it or partially disagree or mostly agree or partially agree about it or what

[Dr Hooch]

Arg(my opinion on hitler) = (pi/12)

[33rd and a half Degree]

That's about a quarter right there dude you ought to sell it to a million people think of the moneys you could make

[Dr Hooch]

It was actually half right but then i was tired and it was 2.45AM so i forgive myself

[Akira]

A loss for the FCC is a win for all of us.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2140410720080721
The fine for the Janet Jackson Super Bowl fiasco was overturned.

[siva_chair]

Basically, he posts every now and again, and then I pull his strings and sing "Dance, troll, dance." and he makes a tit of himself.

Basically, no.

I think I will start just responding the way you always do. Like some parrot that just repeats the same phrase without it actually having any substance.

"You're an idiot"

[Der Übermensch]

A loss for the FCC is a win for all of us.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2140410720080721
The fine for the Janet Jackson Super Bowl fiasco was overturned.


yay!

[PerpetualBurn]

Basically, no.

I think I will start just responding the way you always do. Like some parrot that just repeats the same phrase without it actually having any substance.

"You're an idiot"

Dance.

[siva_chair]

Dance.

Idiot want a cracker?

[PerpetualBurn]

Stop trolling me.

[ringworm]

my solution to fixing irrational behavior is to kill anyone who disagrees with me

we have enough ford pickup driving rednecks with shotguns already



we need more hippies tbo

[Amit]

i ****ing hate hippies

[beso negro]

guys me and steve's compass is far superior.

[Iscariot]

we have enough ford pickup driving rednecks with shotguns already



we need more hippies tbo

but i don't drive a ford and i'm not a redneck i just want to rule the world and command a vast army of slaves and supporters while enjoying my expansive harem of famous hollywood starlets

[Reaganista]

why aim so low

[Iscariot]

well eventually i want to be grand master of the universe and use the power of science to alter my dna so i have the power to give or take away life at the wave of a hand and destroy entire planets with a single thought but i'm thinking of a good jumping off point atm

[Reaganista]

o ok that makes sense

[Der Übermensch]

well eventually i want to be grand master of the universe and use the power of science to alter my dna so i have the power to give or take away life at the wave of a hand and destroy entire planets with a single thought but i'm thinking of a good jumping off point atm

Where do I apply for a job and what positions are currently available?

[Iscariot]

well i will need dukes to rule over the many regions of my kingdom such as western, central, and eastern north america and these dukes will report directly to me and also serve as my personal advisers

i will also need someone to lead my armies into africa to decimate those barbarians because their spear-throwing monkey brain eating cave dwelling selves will have no place in my world

i'll also need a cook

[Dr Hooch]

I'll help you with the science bit if i get the UK to experiment with as an anarcho-pacifist reserve

the weather's **** you don't want it anyway

[Der Übermensch]

well i will need dukes to rule over the many regions of my kingdom such as western, central, and eastern north america and these dukes will report directly to me and also serve as my personal advisers

i will also need someone to lead my armies into africa to decimate those barbarians because their spear-throwing monkey brain eating cave dwelling selves will have no place in my world

i'll also need a cook
I dibs duke of Eastern North America!

[Akira]

guys me and steve's compass is far superior.

Link me up.

[gregulus]

I'll help you with the science bit if i get the UK to experiment with as an anarcho-pacifist reserve

the weather's **** you don't want it anyway
I can work with you on the science bit.

i ****ing hate hippies
The only people who like hippies are hippies.

[Dr Hooch]

Akira, i think i still have the link

here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/moanerer/123079youreanantisemiticEXTREMELEFT.jpg

[Iscariot]

I dibs duke of Eastern North America!

i hereby deem you, Der Übermensch, a knight of the kingdom of chutes and ladders, and the duke of the eastern americas

arise, Sir Übermensch, duke of the eastern lands

/gives you a t-shirt

[Der Übermensch]

weee!

[Iskandar]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/moanerer/123079youreanantisemiticEXTREMELEFT.jpg
Extreme left being defined in this case as anyone to the right of Pat Buchanan.

[Akira]

Akira, i think i still have the link

here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/moanerer/123079youreanantisemiticEXTREMELEFT.jpg

This is a sweet compass. The other ones had me fill out lots of annoying questions. This is better.

[Akira]

In my town, part of the standard fees a student pays to register for school is a $45 nurses fee.

Now, my old neighbors decided that they aren't down with that. With the help of the ACLU, they sued the school on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. And, because the world sucks, they won. Now it's an "optional donation." If not enough people donate, one of the nurses will lose her job. Not to mention what the lawsuit probably cost the school.

Now to make matters worse, the people who started the suit, while "fundamentalist" is maybe too strong a word, are definitely Jesus freaks. They home-schooled their kids for years because our schools are, presumably, not God-fearing enough. If it was up to them, every life science class in the school would be replaced with Bible study. That would be good. But asking people to pay $45 a kid to pay nurses in a town where everyone can afford it without blinking an eye is unconstitutional.

Moral of the story: Jesus freaks suck, and the ACLU, for all the good cases it takes, will also take any garbage case as well.

[Reaganista]

i dont believe ur version of that story

[Bhima]

I like you :-*

[Iskandar]

What?

[Bhima]

you faggot!

[Iskandar]

Who the hell are you?

[Bhima]

I could be Brian....

[Reaganista]

I like you :-*

:-*

[spitfirejunky]

:-d

[Iskandar]

As moderator, my first act would be to permanently ban The Tway.

[Reaganista]

im a high quality user ok

[Bhima]

dank if you will

[Iskandar]

I don't like you.

[Reaganista]

ur subjective taste is irrelevant to my objective nature as a high quality user even zero knew this

[Iskandar]

ur subjective taste is irrelevant to my objective nature as a high quality user even zero knew thisYou are beaten. It is useless to resist. Don't let yourself be destroyed as Obi-Wan did.

[Reaganista]

obi wan became more powerful than u could possibly imagine

[gregulus]

obi wan became more powerful than u could possibly imagine

this is true.


the level of nerd in the pnwi forum is astounding.

[Iskandar]

You think that's nerd?

[gregulus]

You think that's nerd?

it was just sort of the post that brought it all to light for some reason. i don't know.

[Iskandar]

it was just sort of the post that brought it all to light for some reason. i don't know.We can get much nerdier in here. Especially when Steve's around. Hay-oh.

[gregulus]

We can get much nerdier in here. Especially when Steve's around. Hay-oh.

i know. where is steve?

[Iskandar]

He's taking a break. And ... so shall I.

[dei]

Don't do it.

[Iskandar]

Why not? I get no respect around here anyhow.

[dei]

Because you're one of the few good posters left on MX. :(

[Reaganista]

this is true.


the level of nerd in the pnwi forum is astounding.

yeah it's kinda hot i think

[Iskandar]

Because you're one of the few good posters left on MX. :(Nobody around here seems to think so.

[Reaganista]

dropper i respect u ok

[dei]

Nobody around here seems to think so.

That's probably because you don't add internet people on Facebook.

:angry:

[gregulus]

yeah it's kinda hot i think

i'm inclined to agree.

[Iskandar]

dropper i respect u okNo you don't, the whole time I've been here you've done nothing but troll me :confused:
That's probably because you don't add internet people on Facebook.I have a policy against that. It's nothing personal.

[Reaganista]

No you don't, every time you reply to my posts it's to troll me
i troll because i love

[dei]

I have a policy against that. It's nothing personal.

Yer, it's cool. I understand.

[Iskandar]

i troll because i loveYou just like to troll.

[Reaganista]

i think ur cute when ur mad

[Iskandar]

I don't get mad.

I get even.

[Reaganista]

aww so cute

[Iskandar]

What is there to get worked up about? Attachment breeds desire. Or something.

[Reaganista]

i want u

huh wat

[gregulus]

this ****'s getting steamy. don't let me down.

[Dr Hooch]

Iskandar do you require a fan club or something?

M-must it have badges?

[PerpetualBurn]

What is there to get worked up about? Attachment breeds desire. Or something.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

[1338 h4x0r]

I'm quite familiar with Microsoft Windows

[ringworm]

seriously, at this point, after i've seen mccain blaim obama for high gas prices, mccain say, see, told ya so about the surge, told ya we were right, obama was wayy wrong the entire time about iraq, and just republicans in general all of a sudden attempting to be the crusaders of fuel solutions, i have only one thing to say

anyone who votes for mccain is an absolute ****ing moron, there, i said it

even as i was typing this, i heard a clip. mccain is using the slight diminish in violence as a platform to somehow show victory in iraq as a direct result of the troop surge that obama opposed.

hmm


didnt they claim victory like 2 years ago? what is it that olberman says every night? 2000 days since victory or something like that?

[Dr Hooch]

like the grunt that's dead and too stupid to fall over

[Reaganista]

dropper we are both named alex imagine if we were yelling each others names out as we ****ed that would be cool huh let's do it

[Iscariot]

i don't get mad

i get even

[cobert]

http://glassbooth.org/

Oh wow, a site for helping people learn about presidential candidates that includes Nader (and soon McKinney and Barr).

[ringworm]

i doubt this will get much attention, but nothing has moved me quite this much lately

70,000 kids a year abducted, nearly none are ever rescued
the government nor police seem to even care
much of the trading is due to their one child policy and the effects its had on the population


trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVp74r7sZ-I

full docu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgFxEPePO6g








and whats your opinion on what stossel says in this link about these crisis being overplayed, just so someone can step in and bring regulation?
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=4705445&page=1

[McP3000]

dude the community thread isn't meant for serious discussion

i mean im sure the abductors asked the abductees nicely, isnt that good enough?

[Akira]

Haha. Bob Novak was in a hit-and-run.

[thedeadwalk!]

More funding for museums please!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kiUOZAzZ8HA

[gregulus]

More funding for museums please!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kiUOZAzZ8HA

I was waiting for it to dominate that kid sonically. Unfortunately, it did not happen.

[Reaganista]

museums have quite enough money if theyre doing innane **** like that i vote we take some away

[thedeadwalk!]

You have no inner child, do you?

[Reaganista]

my inner child like miley cyrus not stupid dinosaurs

[thedeadwalk!]

My outer adult likes Miley Cyrus. :(

[McP3000]

I wear an outer child on my penis like miley cyrus

[Reaganista]

wait miley cyrus has a penis

[thedeadwalk!]

If so, from pics I've seen, she tucks well.

[McP3000]

thats not what i meant but its funnier than what i meant so lets roll with that

[Reaganista]

if miley cyrus has a penis that would be awesome

[thedeadwalk!]

I'm down with that.

[dei]

Miley Cyrus is ugly.

[thedeadwalk!]

Dammit! "She's the best of both worlds." That's what I should've said with all this penis talk.

[McP3000]

well yeah she's ugly but we were talking about her so whatev's

[cobert]

sup bros

[Dave de Sylvia]

David Cameron's bike got robbed outside Tesco. Vote Conservative for Law and Order!

[guitrguy]

I'd love to punch Glenn Beck in the face

****er is trying to compare music talent to wealth

[Akira]

I'd love to punch Glenn Beck in the face

****er is trying to compare music talent to wealth

Glen Beck also called Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln bad public speakers. He's silly.

[Hababi]

Lincoln was regarded as a poor public speaker. His voice was terrible and high pitched. Jefferson was said to have a monotone, and hated speaking in public.

[thedeadwalk!]

So I guess Douglas was really bad?

[Hababi]

Douglas beat Lincoln in their debates and won the senate seat but tripped himself up for his presidential run.

[Akira]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/McCain_camp_scorns_citizen_of_the_world_Obama.html

I'm confused. Is John McCain not a citizen of the world, or is he just so frighteningly crazy about nationalism that the idea of reaching out to the world bad in his mind?

[Hababi]

'citizen of the world' was a dumb remark by Obama. The world doesn't choose our leaders or set our policies. We do.

[Iskandar]

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateralism

[Hababi]

multilateralism =/= 'citizen of the world.'

[Akira]

'citizen of the world' was a dumb remark by Obama. The world doesn't choose our leaders or set our policies. We do.

Um...
So...?

The point was that he believes in reaching out. The Bush administration's view has been "America doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks," and that is bad. The idea is that Obama is willing to reach out and work with the world community as a whole, something the current administration refuses to do.

And besides, you do realize that Bush has repeatedly used the phrase "citizen of the world" too, right?

Again, Obama is a citizen of the world. Only you and your crazy Neocon pals could possibly twist that into being somehow un-American or inappropriate.
Next you're going to tell me you're one of the people who thinks that it was wrong for Obama to print fliers for the speech in German.

[Hababi]

McCain has a long history of fostering diplomacy and multilateral agreements. Much more than Obama. There's no cowboy diplomacy in McCain's mindset.

Now, BO yeeehaw said he'd unilaterally strike in Pakistan, and wants to unilaterally renegotiate trade agreements to bully other countries into giving the US disproportionate advantages. Citizen of the wtf?

[Akira]

You're doing just what you did last night - changing the subject. First Obama's bad because he said he's a citizen of the world and that means he must be some traitor who would act for the good of Europe, then the problem is that he's not multilateral enough. Make up your mind!

Oh yeah:
JOHN MCCAIN SUPPORTED UNILATERALLY INVADING IRAQ, A COUNTRY WHICH POSED ABSOLUTELY NO THREAT TO AMERICA!
How in the world does that support your idea that he doesn't believe in cowboy diplomacy and is the responsible one?
Obama said he would attack in Pakistan to weaken Al-Qaeda. John McCain actually supported unilateral regime change in Iraq. How can you argue that the later action is more justified?

[Hababi]

Ummm it wasn't unilateral. Not anything close to unilateral. Basically it was every nation except corrupt France and corrupt Russia.

[Iskandar]

Ummm it wasn't unilateral. Not anything close to unilateral. Basically it was every nation except corrupt France and corrupt Russia.You're actually comparing France to Russia?

[Akira]

Ummm it wasn't unilateral. Not anything close to unilateral. Basically it was every nation except corrupt France and corrupt Russia.

Oh right. We had our massive coalition of the willing. And a UN mandate passed after we said "We're doing this whether you approve of it or not, so unless you want to look weak you'll support us."

[Akira]

You're actually comparing France to Russia?

Well, neither supported the illegal invasion of a country when no credible evidence existed supporting the invasion, so they are both practically terrorist states.

[Iskandar]

The coalition was actually pretty small and several nations have dropped out, so I don't know what Steve means when he says "it was every nation".

[Akira]

The coalition was actually pretty small and several nations have dropped out, so I don't know what Steve means when he says "it was every nation".

What are you talking about? We had superpowers like Tonga and Macedonia behind us!

Apparently Steve believes that the world is the US, United Kingdom, Australia, Poland, and Denmark, because those are the countries are the only ones who provided troops for the initial invasion. 33 more provided troops later. SIX DON'T EVEN HAVE MILITARIES. According to Washington, 48 countries are in the coalition. That's not "every nation besides France and Russia."

[Hababi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq

And France has been as bad as Russia. France armed and supported the Interahamwe. France, not Russia.

[Akira]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq

And France has been as bad as Russia. France armed and supported the Interahamwe. France, not Russia.

Oh come on now. Do we really need to list all the awful regimes propped up or supported by the US? Because that would take all day.

[Iskandar]

Lol, Tonga.

And the military might of Costa Rica and Iceland! Both of which have no militaries and have dropped out! Along with (deep breath) New Zealand, Hungary, Thailand, Phillipines, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Spain, Nicaragua, the Netherlands, Portugal, Norway, Japan, Italy, Lithuania and Slovakia! It's a grand coalition indeed!

[Hababi]

Oh come on now. Do we really need to list all the awful regimes propped up or supported by the US? Because that would take all day.

We didn't arm and support a genocide. We didn't welcome with open arms those guilty of committing the genocide. We didn't put soldiers in the country, with the goal of helping Hutus finish the genocide.

France did.

So you can talk about Chile, you can talk about El Salvador (where we supported the lesser of the two evils), but you can not find US backed genocide. France on the other hand helped the fastest genocide in history.

[Iskandar]

So the Coalition is down to three members with more than 1000 troops (one of them being Georgia) and half its members have dropped out. Every nation except France, Steve?

[Hababi]

I was talking about when we first invaded. Some nations pulled out since then, yes. In time the US will draw down forces, too.

[Iskandar]

I was talking about when we first invaded. Some nations pulled out since then, yes. In time the US will draw down forces, too."Some nations" being "half of them and continuing." It's really down to just America, Britain and Georgia. And a token force of 55 mine clearers is appeasement, not support.

[Hababi]

The claim was that we invaded unilaterally. That is far from true.

[Iskandar]

The claim was that we invaded unilaterally. That is far from true.No, but the current occupation is essentially unilateral, bilateral at most. It's very much an Anglo-American thing.

[McP3000]

shut up, its just semantics

[mph4ever]

this is better than a political around the horn

[McP3000]

i really want to be the guy that mutes people

that looks like so much fun

[mph4ever]

judging by your last couple of posts then i think you might be lol

[Iskandar]

shut up, its just semanticsHere are some more semantics: The United States is losing the Iraq War.

[mph4ever]

Here are some more semantics: The United States is losing the Iraq War.


if it is a war, who are they fighting?

[Hababi]

Here are some more semantics: The United States is losing the Iraq War.

Actually we're winning. 15 of 18 benchmarks were met.

[PerpetualBurn]

Is it me or did it just get Jew in here?

[McP3000]

i dont know what jew are talking about

[PerpetualBurn]

I mean the guy with the fetish.

[Der Übermensch]

Actually we're winning. 15 of 18 benchmarks were met.

Remember Vietnam? We pulverized the NVA/VC for years. Tet? Of the 20,000 gooks who participated, we killed HALF OF THEM, not to mention recovered every single over run position in less than a month. We won Tet based on every traditional benchmark there was. Even the NVA general in charge (I forget his name) wrote that he considered it a defeat.

However, in the age of modern media, benchmarks mean nothing. Opinion means everything. And that saddens me.
Now, not to say I support us being in Iraq. We shouldn't be there. We had no justification for going in. But we are there and now that we are I would rather see us finish the job correctly than pull a Vietnaminization... Iraqization? say we won, pack up, and go home to let them crumble apart.
But anyways, as I was saying, opinion is everything. The American people see the progress me make sure, but they don't see is, because it is overshadowed by the body-bags coming home. Since Vietnam, the cost of war has been more apparent then ever before to the public, and in situations that once would have been considered resounding victories, are now political defeats (Mogadishu comes to mind).

So no, we aren't winning, because the most important front in modern warfare is the home front.

[Akira]

The funny part is that the body-bags take a toll even despite the administration's deplorable attempts to censor coverage of casualties and minimalize the perceived human cost of the war.

[Der Übermensch]

I assume you mean Iraq? Cause in 'Nam the media has unrestricted access... Army kinda shot itself in the foot there.

[Akira]

Yes, I mean Iraq.

[1338 h4x0r]

Actually we're winning. 15 of 18 benchmarks were met.

Which benchmarks, where

[Smokey D]

And the military might of Costa Rica and Iceland! Both of which have no militaries and have dropped out! Along with (deep breath) New Zealand, Hungary, Thailand, Phillipines, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Spain, Nicaragua, the Netherlands, Portugal, Norway, Japan, Italy, Lithuania and Slovakia! It's a grand coalition indeed!

Gonna point out that New Zealand never considered itself as part of the coalition. It sent support engineers as part of a UN authorised rebuilding plan. And that most countries in the coalition sent bewtween 10 and 500 troops, aside from America, UK and Australia.

emember Vietnam? We pulverized the NVA/VC for years. Tet? Of the 20,000 gooks who participated, we killed HALF OF THEM, not to mention recovered every single over run position in less than a month.

I don't care what McCain pretends that word means but it's not tolerated here for any purpose.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah, 'gook' refers to Koreans, not Vietnamese people

The appropriate term in this case is 'slope'

What kind of insensitive asshole are you, Übermensch?!?!

[Smokey D]

It was used by GIs to talk about any Asian people they fought, probably coming from the Korean war.

Also, when Steve called Obama a yeehaw, why did not one call him out on the 'bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran' statement?

[Mr. Ron]

or zipperhead

guys, get your hate speech right.

[1338 h4x0r]

It was used by GIs to talk about any Asian people they fought, probably coming from the Korean war.

It comes from a misinterpretation of "Mi guk?" ("American?"), which many GIs apparently took for "Me gook."

or zipperhead

guys, get your hate speech right.

Mr. Ron, where were you on AIM today

[Der Übermensch]

I'm not using it in a racist context (AVN forces commonly referred to NVA/VC as gooks). Admittedly yes, it is a derogatory word, but that is a commonality in any war, giving nicknames of dubious nature to an enemy to distance their humanity from ones own. I see nothing wrong with using words such as gook, japs or kraut when applied in an historical context. As such they are words used to refer to and encapsulate specifically the enemy forces at that time. (Yes, I know that all those terms have prior historical backgrounds, but we aren't talking about the Chinese Exclusion Act here... we are talking about the Vietnam War).

If it makes you feel better though, I will call them Charlie for now.

It comes from a misinterpretation of "Mi guk?" ("American?"), which many GIs apparently took for "Me gook."
The origin is from the Philippine Insurrection I believe.

[Mr. Ron]

It comes from a misinterpretation of "Mi guk?" ("American?"), which many GIs apparently took for "Me gook."



Mr. Ron, where were you on AIM today

Yeah but i had to go somewhere for a while and I don't think I signed out correctly and I had around 6 aim's from people shouting at me "where the **** are you!?" lol. I hate the new version of aim.

[Smokey D]

Japs and kraut are low level racist terms racist but gook currently used in hate speech.

[Der Übermensch]

b'eat? be eating? weirdo...

[1338 h4x0r]

Japs and kraut are low level racist terms racist but gook currently used in hate speech.

I throw it at whoever I want to make feel bad, regardless his actual skin color

b'eat? be eating? weirdo...

I put the apostrophe in there for the little glottal stop that comes out whenever one of those ****ing savages pronounces the voiced labial stop.

[Mr. Ron]

My grandma used to call blacks negros a lot. Wasn't her fault, she was 82 and senile.

and racist.

[Der Übermensch]

Japs and kraut are low level racist terms racist but gook currently used in hate speech.

That doesn't really counter my point of usage within historical context though.

[Mr. Ron]

does the slang "kraut" come from the food? Or?

[Der Übermensch]

My grandma used to call blacks negros a lot. Wasn't her fault, she was 82 and senile.

and racist.

My grandma still does sometimes. :-\

does the slang "kraut" come from the food? Or?

I assume so.

[Smokey D]

That doesn't really counter my point of usage within historical context though.

No but it's unnecessary in a historical context and racist.

White people actually called black people ******s too but I don't accept use of that word even in historical circumstances.

My grandma used to call blacks negros a lot. Wasn't her fault, she was 82 and senile.

and racist.

Isn't that a scene from Clerks II.

And all old people are racist.

[Mr. Ron]

One of the upsides to being white is the fact that there's really no racial slur that is really offensive to me. cracker? snowball? pleeeaaasseee


No but it's unnecessary in a historical context and racist.

White people actually called black people ******s too but I don't accept use of that word even in historical circumstances.



Isn't that a scene from Clerks II.

And all old people are racist.

I would hope not, Clerks is a terrible movie.

[1338 h4x0r]

What about wigger and whap

They depend heavily on context and aren't exactly robust insults though

[Smokey D]

I would hope not, Clerks is a terrible movie.

Get out.

[Mr. Ron]

wigger is just a ridiculous white person who is poor

[Mr. Ron]

get Out.

</3

[Smokey D]

Wiggers are usually suburban kids. They're rarely poor.

[Mr. Ron]

Wiggers are usually suburban kids. They're rarely poor.

Ok wiggers that are in the ghetto are poor in money and suburban wiggers with money are mentally poor.

[Der Übermensch]

No but it's unnecessary in a historical context and racist.
Unnecessary perhaps, but contextually it isn't racist, merely adversarial.

[1338 h4x0r]

Get out.

You didn't say it right

It's more like

Get. Out.

[Mr. Ron]

guys clerks is just a glorified cult hit that only spawns weed jokes from white trash please stop

[Hababi]

I don't care what McCain pretends that word means but it's not tolerated here for any purpose.

The term gook for him and many others always meant the Viet Cong. McCain always had strong support in the Vietnamese American community.

[Smokey D]

Unnecessary perhaps, but contextually it isn't racist, merely adversarial.

The borderline between harmless adverserial term and racial slur designating people we like to shoot isn't a big one. But the point is it's racist now.

guys clerks is just a glorified cult hit that only spawns weed jokes from white trash please stop

I don't know what hillbilly friends you saw it with but no it's not.




The term gook for him and many others always meant the Viet Cong. McCain always had strong support in the Vietnamese American community

I know what it means but I don't care. It's racist.

And he was criticised for saying it by the Asian community their support for him notwithstanding.

[Der Übermensch]

**** taxes :(

I lose 200$ off my bi-weekly paycheck. Half of it to the fed, who will probably waste it on **** we shouldn't be spending money on anyways :(

[Der Übermensch]

The term gook for him and many others always meant the Viet Cong. McCain always had strong support in the Vietnamese American community.
Do me a favor and don't help defend me... it doesn't help my case in their eyes, and instead reply to my post, since it was meant for you in the first place, not to start a discussion on whether or not context matters when using otherwise offensive language.

[spitfirejunky]

i Would Hope Not, Clerks Is A Terrible Movie.

Get Out.

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[Mr. Ron]

*insert random sex/drug/bodily function/5th grade humor here*

^^^ The entirety of clerks

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah, compare it to Beavis and Butt-head, now that was a classy show

[Smokey D]

*insert random sex/drug/bodily function/5th grade humor here*

^^^ The entirety of clerks

Now I think you just haven't seen it.

I dunno about the tv show, we don't get that here but the movie is nothing like that. Well, maybe hte bits with Jay and silent Bob but they don't play a big part.

[Der Übermensch]

The borderline between harmless adverserial term and racial slur designating people we like to shoot isn't a big one. But the point is it's racist now.
I agree on both counts. It certainly is racist now, and many adversarial nicknames grow out of racial/ethnic/national hatred merely from their circumstances (although they usually are accompanied by more friendly counterparts - Charlie or Jerry). But the context is, as you said, that they were people we were shooting at. It is war, and they are the enemy, and historically these terms are applied to the enemy, and even though they often have a racial/ethnic underpinning, I see little wrong in their use if kept in a well understood historical context.

[1338 h4x0r]

Fick dich, Ami!

[Mr. Ron]

Now I think you just haven't seen it.

I dunno about the tv show, we don't get that here but the movie is nothing like that. Well, maybe hte bits with Jay and silent Bob but they don't play a big part.
Nah I'm just ****ing with you I like clerks haha


"Try not to suck any dick on the way to the parking lot!"

[Dr Hooch]

Japs and kraut are low level racist terms racist but gook currently used in hate speech.

"jap" is not a racist term. "Jap" is no more offensive than "Brit".

[Hababi]

Do me a favor and don't help defend me... it doesn't help my case in their eyes,

:lol: I wasn't really defending you. I wouldn't use the term :p

[Der Übermensch]

Fick dich, Ami!

The false friends there remind me of a great little episode that happened a little while ago.
Me and my two friends are walking back from a movie. They are piss drunk. One lags behind to light a cigarette and almost bumps into a foreign couple, man and wife... maybe 60 or so. He says sorry, but can't figure out what they are saying, and for some reason thinks they are speaking French, so waves us over and tells my other friend, who speaks fluent french, "I think they are French!" This turns out to not be true, and they are like, "nein, Deutsche". The first friend, takes a long pause... then says "ah... Deutsche... Blaße mir einen!" )only phrase he knows) and walks away. Luckily they take it well and the wife actually bursts out laughing, and then they walk away too.

[Der Übermensch]

"jap" is not a racist term. "Jap" is no more offensive than "Brit".

It carries the same contextual connotations as other terms used similarly.

[Smokey D]

Not really. It connotes a 'Me so sorree'

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Tokio_Kid_Say.png

sort of thing.

Maybe in England it's less bad.


I agree on both counts. It certainly is racist now, and many adversarial nicknames grow out of racial/ethnic/national hatred merely from their circumstances (although they usually are accompanied by more friendly counterparts - Charlie or Jerry). But the context is, as you said, that they were people we were shooting at. It is war, and they are the enemy, and historically these terms are applied to the enemy, and even though they often have a racial/ethnic underpinning, I see little wrong in their use if kept in a well understood historical context.

You don't think of people you're shooting as human. You have to demonise or dehumanise them and that is the purpose of hate speech in battlezones. Just like a GI calling an Iraqi a 'towel head' whatever is racist, gook is racist both now and hten.

Historically accurate, yes but racist.

[spitfirejunky]

The false friends there remind me of a great little episode that happened a little while ago.
Me and my two friends are walking back from a movie. They are piss drunk. One lags behind to light a cigarette and almost bumps into a foreign couple, man and wife... maybe 60 or so. He says sorry, but can't figure out what they are saying, and for some reason thinks they are speaking French, so waves us over and tells my other friend, who speaks fluent french, "I think they are French!" This turns out to not be true, and they are like, "nein, Deutsche". The first friend, takes a long pause... then says "ah... Deutsche... Blaße mir einen!" )only phrase he knows) and walks away. Luckily they take it well and the wife actually bursts out laughing, and then they walk away too.

If your friends were sober then it might have been a bit offensive.

[Akira]

"jap" is not a racist term. "Jap" is no more offensive than "Brit".

How do you figure? No word is really racist on it's own, context and intent define it. The term "Brit" is generally used as a basic term for the British, while "Jap" is generally used in a racist context.

[1338 h4x0r]

The false friends there remind me of a great little episode that happened a little while ago.
Me and my two friends are walking back from a movie. They are piss drunk. One lags behind to light a cigarette and almost bumps into a foreign couple, man and wife... maybe 60 or so. He says sorry, but can't figure out what they are saying, and for some reason thinks they are speaking French, so waves us over and tells my other friend, who speaks fluent french, "I think they are French!" This turns out to not be true, and they are like, "nein, Deutsche". The first friend, takes a long pause... then says "ah... Deutsche... Blaße mir einen!" )only phrase he knows) and walks away. Luckily they take it well and the wife actually bursts out laughing, and then they walk away too.

My dad majored in theater/communications (yeah chip off the old block huh) and this one time they had a director from France come in to direct a play

They were having a hard time rehearsing a scene, so at one point she up and says "Foak youss!" in frustration

Dead silence

"Foak youss! ... You need to foak youss (focus)."

:lol:

[Smokey D]

That's not how you say focus with a French accent

[Mr. Ron]

I hear Paris smells terrible


is this true my European Komrades?

[Der Übermensch]

If your friends were sober then it might have been a bit offensive.

Well they knew we were drunk as ****. They probably were just happy to have a story about drunk american kids to tell when they went home.

[1338 h4x0r]

That's not how you say focus with a French accent

She did

Broken English: there is a multitude of dialects

[Der Übermensch]

You don't think of people you're shooting as human. You have to demonise or dehumanise them and that is the purpose of hate speech in battlezones. Just like a GI calling an Iraqi a 'towel head' whatever is racist, gook is racist both now and hten.

Historically accurate, yes but racist.

Again, I certainly see your point, I just am of the opinion that the nature of war precludes such usage being categorized as 'hate speech,' as the reason of usage is more abstract then mere racial animosity, even if the expression itself is rooted in racial origins.

[Mr. Ron]

I knew a french chick once, I kid you not she was a goddess in human form and oooo my goodness her accent was music

[Smokey D]

She did

Broken English: there is a multitude dialects

That's weird. The French version of English wouldn't make a fokyus sound. More like fockooze or foc-us.


is this true my European Komrades?

No it smells like French pastries, bread and French cheese.

Which is to say awesome.

Again, I certainly see your point, I just am of the opinion that the nature of war precludes such usage being categorized as 'hate speech,' as the reason of usage is more abstract then mere racial animosity, even if the expression itself is rooted in racial origins.

I disagree. Comparing terms like Kraut and Jerry to gook, and dune ****, it's pretty clear some terms are more racist than others.

[PerpetualBurn]

I hear Paris smells terrible


is this true my European Komrades?

She must at least have herpes by now.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

hay guys so wats goin on in politics ??? :confused:

[Mr. Ron]

She must at least have herpes by now.

probs

[Der Übermensch]

hay guys so wats goin on in politics ??? :confused:

The world is imploding.

[PerpetualBurn]

probs

Deffers.

[Mr. Ron]

It's weird. The French version of English wouldn't make a fokyus sound. More like fockooze or foc-us.



No it smells like French pastries, bread and French cheese.

Which is to say awesome.

Idk, for some reason I have no desire to go to Paris. I'm going on a backpacking trek through Europe next year with some freinds and I think we're going through Paris at one point.

[Smokey D]

Paris is like the best city in Europe.

[Mr. Ron]

Why?

[1338 h4x0r]

It's full of graffiti and homeless people and there is, among other marvels of civil engineering, an intersection which is made to resemble a star radiating many beams of light—very practical

[Mr. Ron]

Well we're going to do it for a month and a half, and we have ridiculous amounts of money set aside for it (We've been saving since high school) in a big pool we are all going to draw out of if needed, so we can pretty much hit up any city we want, so hell, I might as well go to ol' par-ee. I'm looking forward to going to Luxembourg and blowing tons of money.

[Smokey D]

So I've only been to like 2 big European capitals but comparing London and Paris, London just feels dark and dingy and crowded. Everything in Paris works, and it's much more beautiful. Better nightlife, or so I understand but I was too young to appreciate that last time I was there.

The dark and dingy thing might have something to do with it being winter and London being an hour behind France despite being on teh same latitude. I think

[Mr. Ron]

So I've only been to like 2 big European capitals but comparing London and Paris, London just feels dark and dingy and crowded. Everything in Paris works, and it's much more beautiful. Better nightlife, or so I understand but I was too young to appreciate that last time I was there.

The dark and dingy thing might have something to do with it being winter and London being an hour behind France despite being on teh same latitude. I think

Thats one of the things I like about London. :)


I found Germany to be very nice last year.

[1338 h4x0r]

Well we're going to do it for a month and a half, and we have ridiculous amounts of money set aside for it (We've been saving since high school) in a big pool we are all going to draw out of if needed, so we can pretty much hit up any city we want, so hell, I might as well go to ol' par-ee. I'm looking forward to going to Luxembourg and blowing tons of money.

Oslo looks kind of like an artist's depiction of Gondolin and is reputedly inhabited by High Elves.

[Mr. Ron]

Oslo looks kind of like an artist's depiction of Gondolin and is reputedly inhabited by High Elves.

noted and will go see

[Smokey D]

Why would you like a place that looked dirty?

I don't mean quaint, i mean dirty.

[1338 h4x0r]

Few other cities have such regard for the natural element

http://ocl.uio.no/workshop07/oslo.jpg

Urban and pastoral work together seamlessly in this city—it is like something JRR Tolkien would have imagined