PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Iskandar]

it should be a constitutional right, though, right?

isquandreIt's not a big deal if it's not. It's just a gun.

[dei]

dude, without guns we'd all be dead.

[Iskandar]

Lol.

[dei]

you laugh now but wait until the big liberal gov't decides to come and take away your guns! thousands of innocent women and children will be gunned down in the streets by criminals.

[Iskandar]

Lol again.

The best part about the "big gover'ment coming to take away our freedom" fantasy is that it's never happened in a stable Western democracy.

[dei]

oh yeah well what about nazi germany?

owned.

[Iskandar]

Germany wasn't a stable democracy back then. The government was only a couple of decades old and not as democratic as modern Germany is.

That and the Nazis plotted their rise to power rather than just being elected because people liked them.

[Der Übermensch]

The stability of Germany is questionable...

[Iskandar]

At the present time it's perfectly stable. Sure, there are social problems related to extensive immigration but doesn't every country have that?

[Der Übermensch]

I was referring to circa 1930 :p

[Smokey D]

It's not questionable. It was completely non-existent.

[Dr Hooch]

even I learned about hyperinflation in GCSE history

and i'm a scientist

[1338 h4x0r]

Lol again.

The best part about the "big gover'ment coming to take away our freedom" fantasy is that it's never happened in a stable Western democracy.

You're not saying 'government' correctly. For beginners, you should start with 'gubbermint'. Eventually, you can work your way up to the canonical pronunciation, which is 'g'v'rn'm'nt' (four glottal stops).

[Iskandar]

You're not saying 'government' correctly. For beginners, you should start with 'gubbermint'. Eventually, you can work your way up to the canonical pronunciation, which is 'g'v'rn'm'nt' (four glottal stops).Glottal stops? For serious?

[guitrguy]

Who wants to see the limits of VF's genius?

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16371868&postcount=1526

[spitfirejunky]

Count the fallacies. I see at least 3 major ones.

[guitrguy]

He might be dumb, but at least he provides lulz.

[1338 h4x0r]

Glottal stops? For serious?

Five glottal stops, in some parts of Alabama

Who wants to see the limits of VF's genius?

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16371868&postcount=1526

Made no sense whatever

[Iskandar]

Five glottal stops, in some parts of AlabamaThat'd sound ... choppy.

[1338 h4x0r]

Bear in mind that a lot of people living in those parts of the state have gills and stuff, so their vocal tracts are somewhat unlike those of humans.

[dei]

Bear in mind that a lot of people are bears.

[Iskandar]

1338 h4x0r, you're my new favourite poster.

Sometimes I get you and Dei mixed up though.

[dei]

what!

[Reaganista]

1338 h4x0r, you're my new favourite poster.

Sometimes I get you and Dei mixed up though.
fitting seeing as both of you are total **** posters

[Iskandar]

I wonder if Tway will ever die.

[Dr Hooch]

old tways never die

they just run out of billygoats

[totah]

Lol. We're all gonna die!!!!

[Iskandar]

What is "totah"?

[totah]

I'm descended from a part-Jewish European aristocratic family (Luxembourg, then Switzerland, then state confiscations and a detour through Israel on our way back to the top); Lyteri-Anstate is the original name (my father's side is plain old Jew). I figured Totah is a fortunate pun.

[Iscariot]

so i was debating over what i should do first when i inevitably become the ruler of the nw united states and i decided the most important first step is to establish an anthem for my region

now the choices were boundless and i was having a difficult time picking just one and then the most obvious and fitting choice fell into my lap while watching TBS last night

behold the anthem of the north west

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IEaX4ApC_EU

[spitfirejunky]

Who's that on the piano? Looks like Quincy Jones.

[Iscariot]

i think that's probably who it is

[Smokey D]

I'm descended from a part-Jewish European aristocratic family (Luxembourg, then Switzerland, then state confiscations and a detour through Israel on our way back to the top); Lyteri-Anstate is the original name (my father's side is plain old Jew). I figured Totah is a fortunate pun.

There were Jewish aristocrats?

Well, spose the Rothschilds went aristocratic.

Which makes me lol at your anarchist ways.

[monkeysonmars.]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7423089.stm

lololololol

[totah]

There were Jewish aristocrats?

Well, spose the Rothschilds went aristocratic.

Which makes me lol at your anarchist ways.

That's not fair, Kropotkin was a Russian prince.

[Smokey D]

So you understand why I laugh when you say anarchism is about 'non-hierarchial, non-gendered, non-racist (ie non-European)' living. Kropotkin and his contemporaries were all of those things.

[Dr Hooch]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IEaX4ApC_EU


now i realise lots of films are bad but

my god

is that video indicative of the quality of that movie because

i mean it's so easy to make a good western

[Iscariot]

yeah that's pretty much the quality of the whole movie

it was meant to be a fun family comedy and at the time it was pretty lulzy but when i watched it again the other night i was cringing the entire way through

when the white plantation owners try to lynch will smith for touching some woman's boobs and his partner slips in a rubber noose so will smith can escape unharmed i just shook my head

[Dr Hooch]

that's so awful man

like

so

awful


like my opinion on this is apparently worthless because i'm white but am i the only one not actually amused by racism?

[dei]

no.

[1338 h4x0r]

1338 h4x0r, you're my new favourite poster.

Sometimes I get you and Dei mixed up though.

How so? I'm not a pasty luser from the US with no administrative privileges, not a half-black Dutch moderator.

fitting seeing as both of you are total **** posters

Will you gtfo already you dumbshit?

[Dave de Sylvia]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7423089.stm

lololololol
And yet we'd be criticised if we put idiots like that in concentration camps. Some justice.

[Iskandar]

How so? I'm not a pasty luser from the US with no administrative privileges, not a half-black Dutch moderator.I honestly' don't know.

[guitrguy]

How so? I'm not a pasty luser from the US with no administrative privileges, not a half-black Dutch moderator.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[1338 h4x0r]

And yet we'd be criticised if we put idiots like that in concentration camps. Some justice.

And that's actually more or less like what the Dalai Lama said after the Indian Ocean tsunami of 2004.

Yes, it's true, religion is pretty stupid!

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

dei is BLACK

[Iskandar]

Dei isn't black. At least, I don't think he is.

[guitrguy]

I've never seen a pic of him, but he says he is.

[1338 h4x0r]

Dei isn't black. At least, I don't think he is.

Well, he's half-black I think

[dei]

yes to half black, no to dutch.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Half black as in you wear equal quantities of black and white corpsepaint?

[1338 h4x0r]

yes to half black, no to dutch.

Wait, aren't you a European of some kind?

I ask b/c you say you're in 'Californië'

[guitrguy]

Dei, why must you lie to me so?

[Iskandar]

I'm half Slav, which makes me the Untermensch.

[guitrguy]

I'm partially mexican and italian, that makes me a wet wop.

[Iskandar]

Actually make that fully Slavic, because I don't feel any connection to Celtic culture at all.

[guitrguy]

dude Celtic culture is pretty cool. In fact I am watch 5 of them compete against some Pistons.

[Iskandar]

I don't get your joke because I don't like sports.

[1338 h4x0r]

I'm half Slav, which makes me the Untermensch.

I'm 100% Asa-god, which makes me better 'n all y'all bitchez

[dei]

Wait, aren't you a European of some kind?

I ask b/c you say you're in 'Californië'

No, I was born and raised in the United States. I had Nederland as my location because Jelle is a Flemish cunt and asking him if he's Dutch makes him mad, or something.

[guitrguy]

I don't get your joke because I don't like sports.

What joke? I was serious.

Basketball, btw.

[Mr. Ron]

if you want to cry and laugh all at the same time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSXUfu16pUw&feature=related

[gregulus]

if you want to cry and laugh all at the same time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSXUfu16pUw&feature=related
This might be the only thing I've ever seen on the internet that actually made me speechless. This can't be real.

[Mr. Ron]

No trust me, there are plenty in America just like her. Scary, isn't it?


America seems to have a breed, or type, of "blind conservatism" all its own. A type where facts don't matter as long as you clinch your eyes shut and crank Rush, or O'reilly. Willful ignorance is the order of the day and ya'll best not touch my flag yew queer!

[gregulus]

No trust me, there are plenty in America just like her. Scary, isn't it?


America seems to have a breed, or type, of "blind conservatism" all its own. A type where facts don't matter as long as you clinch your eyes shut and crank Rush, or O'reilly. Willful ignorance is the order of the day and ya'll best not touch my flag yew queer!
Oh, I live in Alabama. I know. You wouldn't believe the number of "W. The President" stickers that are still on SUV's.

[Mr. Ron]

Haha its hilarious when you see the sheer amount of half-torn off dubya' bumper stickers people have. At one point they even admitted to themselves "....we ****ed up".

Its just so utterly frustrating to be in the same species as people like that.

[dei]

Mr. Ron, thanks for linking to that video. You've ruined my life.

[siva_chair]

That makes absolutely no sense because our government does in fact allow us to own guns. They just aren't a constitutional right.

Well I fully realize that. I shouldn't have said "your country" and realized that after I posted it. I was speaking more generally of governments that don't allow their citizens to own guns.

Your country is ok, but if I were you I'd feel much better with a Constitutional Amendment that limits said government from gun grabbing.

Lol again.

The best part about the "big gover'ment coming to take away our freedom" fantasy is that it's never happened in a stable Western democracy.

Yeah because we all know that just because it hasn't ever happened means it can't.

Besides, I'd say that it has happened. The threat to personal liberty and property rights is still very much a real thing today, even within a stable democracy.

[monkeysonmars.]

final exam tomorrow yaaaaaaayayayayay

[Dr Hooch]

final exam tomorrow yaaaaaaayayayayay

man, snap

mine is on "Mathematics for Physics" and i still need someone to tell me what a line integral is

yours?

[monkeysonmars.]

THE WORLD AT WAR, i'm playing russian roulette, revise a bit of this and a bit of that and pray it comes up.

[siva_chair]

man, snap

mine is on "Mathematics for Physics" and i still need someone to tell me what a line integral is

yours?

Isn't it an integral where the function to be integrated is evaluated along a curve of some sort?

Aren't they used to find the work done on an object moving through an electric or gravitational field (or any sort of force field?)

Been too long since I have done anything dealing with the mathematics of physics...

[Dr Hooch]

Isn't it an integral where the function to be integrated is evaluated along a curve of some sort?

Aren't they used to find the work done on an object moving through an electric or gravitational field?

Been too long since I have done anything dealing with the mathematics of physics...

yes, very good =)

Will have to make sure I revise them properly this afternoon

also i get to make my own formula sheet, which sounds awesome but

I don't trust myself?

[siva_chair]

yes, very good =)

Wow, I'm suprised I remembered that.

Will have to make sure I revise them properly this afternoon

also i get to make my own formula sheet, which sounds awesome but

I don't trust myself?

Well how many formulas are you potentially going to be dealing with and which ones?

You should have more faith in yourself.

[Smokey D]

I have a test in tort law tomorrow. I can't bring myself to study properly. I'm allowed to take in whatever, so I'll try and wing it. I don't imagine it's going to go very well.

[monkeysonmars.]

i find there's always this evil time the day before your exam when you could revise, you know you need to revise, but you're so close you just can't physically bring yourself to do it.

[Dr Hooch]

Well how many formulas are you potentially going to be dealing with and which ones?

You should have more faith in yourself.

I get 2 sides of A4 to put whatever I want on, so number isn't really an issue.

It's stuff like chain rule in 2 dimensions, directional derivatives, line/double integrals, differential equations, Fourier series, fairly basic vector manipulation, contour maps.

I'll probably be fine, but i'm so intellectually worn out after 2 weeks of exams that it's hard to keep going right at the end.

[siva_chair]

I get 2 sides of A4 to put whatever I want on, so number isn't really an issue.

It's stuff like chain rule in 2 dimensions, directional derivatives, line/double integrals, differential equations, Fourier series, fairly basic vector manipulation, contour maps.

I'll probably be fine, but i'm so intellectually worn out after 2 weeks of exams that it's hard to keep going right at the end.

Understandable.

All you need is the attitude of: "Can't quit, not dead."

With that, you can get through anything. Mind over matter. If you don't mind, it won't matter. :chug:

[totah]

like my opinion on this is apparently worthless because i'm white but am i the only one not actually amused by racism?

A good joke is a good joke, regardless of the content. "It all depends on where the exaggeration is," as George Carlin put it.

yes to half black, no to dutch.

Have you seen Harold & Kumar Escape From Guantanamo Bay?

Actually make that fully Slavic, because I don't feel any connection to Celtic culture at all.

So it turns out that there never was such a thing as the Celtic race, just some research historian lumped together a bunch of different tribes from Bretonia, Gaul, Germania etc. But the German ones were awesome, according to Rome: Total War.

America seems to have a breed, or type, of "blind conservatism" all its own. A type where facts don't matter as long as you clinch your eyes shut and crank Rush, or O'reilly. Willful ignorance is the order of the day and ya'll best not touch my flag yew queer!

God I hate her. I want to hunt her down and tie her to a chair with a gag and preach at her for 32 hours straight. And electrocute her if she falls asleep. But she's right about liberals being hypocrite pansies.

Also typical white teenaged American with loads of expensive **** in her room (see backdrop) talking about what a great life America can offer.

[dei]

No, I've not seen Harold & Kumar.

[ringworm]

if you want to cry and laugh all at the same time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSXUfu16pUw&feature=related

i stoppped at "President Bush is tha bomb"

[Iskandar]

Your country is ok, but if I were you I'd feel much better with a Constitutional Amendment that limits said government from gun grabbing.I'm very happy to live in Canada. I think it's one of the best countries in the world, and I'd take it over the US any day, not meaning anything against your home country. Our constitution is excellent and I just don't feel it needs an amendment against gun control.
Yeah because we all know that just because it hasn't ever happened means it can't.It's possible. But it's also extremely unlikely. There are more pressing political issues right now.
Besides, I'd say that it has happened. The threat to personal liberty and property rights is still very much a real thing today, even within a stable democracy.Maybe it's the ex-commie in me but I don't place property rights in the same league as personal freedom. I believe everyone has the right to the full product of their labour, but governments must necessarily involve themselves in issues of property to right injustices and protect the common good.

[siva_chair]

I'm very happy to live in Canada. I think it's one of the best countries in the world, and I'd take it over the US any day, not meaning anything against your home country. Our constitution is excellent and I just don't feel it needs an amendment against gun control.

That's great. Keep on living there. I don't really have a whole lot of beef against Canada. Seems like a decent enough place (love to take a vacation there sometime). Sure, I give it crap all the time, but it is more like the crap you give to a little brother. When push comes to shove, I'd defend Canada if need be.

Though I do envy the vast amounts of wilderness you guys still possess....

It's possible. But it's also extremely unlikely. There are more pressing political issues right now.

Well I'm sure there are.

Maybe it's the ex-commie in me but I don't place property rights in the same league as personal freedom. I believe everyone has the right to the full product of their labour, but governments must necessarily involve themselves in issues of property to right injustices and protect the common good.

IMO property rights are pretty much an extension of personal freedom.

Sure, it'd be nice if we didn't feel the need to "own" land, but that certainly isn't conducive to our modern lifestyle.

Maybe it's just the patriotic American blood running through my veins, but I just don't put as much faith or trust in governments as you do.

[1338 h4x0r]

i stoppped at "President Bush is tha bomb"

This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke

I added to her profile comments


I'm going to make this as civil as possible

All ANWR oil would be shipped to Japan or China because it's more economical

Furthermore, all the oil in ANWR would furnish ~six months of US demand

You stupid, stupid rightard


I tried to restrain myself best as I could

[siva_chair]

This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke
This has to be a joke

ANWR oil would be shipped to the Pacific Rim, btw

What they meant was "President Bush drops da bomb."

[totah]

Maybe it's the ex-commie in me but I don't place property rights in the same league as personal freedom. I believe everyone has the right to the full product of their labour, but governments must necessarily involve themselves in issues of property to right injustices and protect the common good.

Property rights are part of personal freedoms, but: "If property is theft, then slavery is murder."

If we take whats yours to mean what you create (without getting philosophical, eg: nothing belongs to you because ultimately it comes out of nature, except, arguably, your thoughts), then your boss steals money from you. You create something which is then divided with a portion of it going to your boss. Now this isn't just between you and the boss; there's a whole workplace full of people getting ripped off like this. Theirs and your property rights to the product of your own labour are being violated. If you've followed my stoner monologue (I'm not stoned but tired and just had a huge bowl-sized dose of humus which floods the brain in seratonin and the stomach in chickpea-y goodness) this far, then you'll hopefully agree that property rights are as important a part of personal freedom as all its other parts, and that capitalism violates that most basic element of personal freedom, as stated above, that is the right to enjoy the full product of your labour.

But commies take it too far and try to get the government to take everyone's labour product and then share it out equally, which is unfair on those who work harder, 'cos they don't get to see the full product. That's communism/socialism. Capitalism, on the other hand, is simply the more personalised theft of labour's product between boss and workers (as opposed to socialism's state and population), sanctioned by the state.

In conclusion, neither is the answer. What we need is a middle way, something clever that will get rid of the obvious malady. We need Anarchism, for fast, effective relief from oppression and exploitation.

What they meant was "President Bush drops da bomb."

Oh snap.

[totah]

Maybe it's the ex-commie in me but I don't place property rights in the same league as personal freedom. I believe everyone has the right to the full product of their labour, but governments must necessarily involve themselves in issues of property to right injustices and protect the common good.

Property rights are part of personal freedoms, but: "If property is theft, then slavery is murder."

If we take whats yours to mean what you create (without getting philosophical, eg: nothing belongs to you because ultimately it comes out of nature, except, arguably, your thoughts), and assume you are a wage slave, then:

You are creating something which is then divided with a portion of it going to your boss. And this isn't just between you and the boss; there's a whole workplace (a whole society, even) full of people getting ripped off like this. Theirs and your property rights to the product of your own labour are being violated.

If you've followed my stoner monologue (I'm not stoned but tired and just had a huge bowl-sized dose of humus which floods the brain in seratonin and the stomach in chickpea-y goodness) this far, then you'll hopefully agree that property rights are as important a part of personal freedom as all its other parts, and that capitalism violates that most basic element of personal freedom, as stated above, that is the right to enjoy the full product of your labour.

But commies take it too far and try to get the government to take everyone's labour product (for the good of the people, as it were) and then share it out equally, which is unfair on those who work harder, since they don't get to see the full product of their labour either.

That's communism/socialism. Capitalism, on the other hand, simply changes the relationship of thief and victim from that of state and people to that of boss and workers, sanctioned by the a state whose government is made up of bankers and businessmen.

In conclusion, neither is the answer. What we need is a middle way, something clever that will get rid of the obvious malady. We need Anarchism, for fast, effective relief from oppression and exploitation.

What they meant was "President Bush drops da bomb."

Oh snap.

[1338 h4x0r]

totah, that post was as clear as mud

[ashman]

Anyone know anything about council tax in England? I'm moving into a house with 2 other guys and I'm wondering if the cost listed (about a £1k a year) is shared between the 3 of us or do we all have to pay that each.

[Dr Hooch]

Anyone know anything about council tax in England? I'm moving into a house with 2 other guys and I'm wondering if the cost listed (about a £1k a year) is shared between the 3 of us or do we all have to pay that each.

tax is on the house usually

but think sensible

how big's the house etc.

[1338 h4x0r]

Hey I totally derailed a thread in GD and I'm really proud of myself for having done it. Comments?

[ashman]

tax is on the house usually

but think sensible

how big's the house etc.

It's a 'student' type house, 4 bedrooms. The landlord only wants people in full time work strangely enough, so we're getting an awesome huge house for like £80 a week between the 3 of us. I'm going to view it on wednesday.

My mate's already viewed it and said it's good, he's also said the landlord won't rent it to anyone else except us for a few weeks, so it seems pretty safe, also kinda too good to be true.

If it's like 333 quid a piece a year, then that's awesome. It'd be cheaper for me to live at this place then home.

[Dr Hooch]

hmmm

I can't imagine council tax on like a house like that being £4k but i dunno

****'s so expensive these days

but it sounds like a pretty good deal I'm paying £75 next year just for student digs (nice area, fair house but still distinctly student)

[PerpetualBurn]

Find the local council's website and there'll probably be a breakdown of council tax charges.

The tax is on the property and then shared between the residents (students get away free, if there're students in the house then i think you get a slight discount).

£80 a week three ways sounds too good to be true.

I've been paying £50 a week plus bills this last year for a pretty standard terraced house.

[ashman]

Yea, I'm gonna check out all the fine print on wednesday. I just hope it's true ;)

Cheers guys. :thumb:

[totah]

Luckyily enough for me I'll be squatting next year. No more rent and bills to pay, everybody should do it this way.

[Dr Hooch]

that's the stupidest thing you've ever said.

[1338 h4x0r]

I'll go out on the other hand, is simply the more personalised theft of labour's product between boss and workers (as opposed to socialism's state and population), sanctioned by the community or group to help mediate problems, break up the odd fight (fights happen, even with anarchists, but this social system still works since people aren't in fighting mood 24/7), etc. For example, it's not America's responsibility if all those chemicals they sold Hussein back in the day went back to his home to kiss his wife and play with his children and eat with the whole family, but the systems which allow these positions of power to exist and flourish should be dismantled. But if the decisions were reached by the community in an equal democratic meeting then everyone agrees to it, or if a minority opposition exists then there were precautions decided upon in the world was going around selling weapons to whoever's buying?

...

I don't get it.

[ashman]

Luckyily enough for me I'll be squatting next year. No more rent and bills to pay, everybody should do it this way.

And all the crack you can smoke and more diseases then Paris Hilton's manky old sex toy :thumb:

[ringworm]

did anyone see these?


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/neutrino/


http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=276973

[ringworm]

and also





Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination
YIPPEEE!!!


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=auko7DcgqZyw&refer=us

[Reaganista]

wats the meaning of life

[dei]

11/3.14

[Dr Hooch]

In the biggest dish of delicious irony this week, steve's assertion of obama's lack of foreign policy experience seems to have been a valid concern after all...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7435883.stm

sacrosanct?

GAH

YOU STUPID MAN

[Reaganista]

there's been a pack of lyndon laroche fascists telling me obama is finished every time i walk past 33rd and market this week maybe that's what they were talking about

[Iskandar]

In the biggest dish of delicious irony this week, steve's assertion of obama's lack of foreign policy experience seems to have been a valid concern after all...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7435883.stm

sacrosanct?

GAH

YOU STUPID MANYou need to do that in America, just like how you need to be a Christian.

[Dr Hooch]

only because your news goes on incessantly about "unprovoked palestinian attacks" and the israeli retaltiatin thereto

I mean "occupation much"

GAH

YOU STUPID COUNTRY

[totah]

I'd like to discuss Ahmadinejad:

So, remember all that todo a few years back when a Swedish newspaper released a drawing of Muhammed and many Muslims rioted and the Muslim world was like, "Uhh, guys, he's sorta our main prophet guy, that's kinda offensive to us" and we were all like "NUHH! We got a little thing here called freedom of speech, bitches, you ain't heard of it 'cos you're Islamic, but we can do this here." And then Ahmadinejad holds a big Holocaust Denial Now conference in Iran, and we're all like ,"What? Nigga you can't do that ****. That ****'s ****, man" and he was all "Freedom of speech, bitchaz!"

So yeah, he's a funny guy.

Or how about that time when we tried to stop him getting nuclear power and he was all, like, "Yo you can't do that. Da only reason youze don't want us to get nuclear power is 'cos we'z doin' it ourselves. You're giving Egypt nuclear power right now, and we din't even bring that **** to the Middle-East in da first place; it was Israel nigga! So we're willin' to get dem full inspecshuns when Israel gets 'em. 'Aight?"

And we're all like, "Pwned, I guess. Damn nigga."

[dei]

Well said.

[Iskandar]

All that stuff is pretty old.

[dei]

Yeah, old like your face.

[Iskandar]

I'm 19.

[dei]

Maybe you should stop doing drugs.

[Iskandar]

I don't:confused:

[dei]

Great. Do you want some kind of medal?

GETOUTTAMYFACE!

[totah]

Pasty Jiggly-Puff Pwned by Irate Minstrel

I can see the headlines already.

[siva_chair]

only because your news goes on incessantly about "unprovoked palestinian attacks" and the israeli retaltiatin thereto

I mean "occupation much"

GAH

YOU STUPID COUNTRY

Oh suck my balls they do not. They go on incessantly about celebrity lives. Get it right.

[Volumnius Flush]

Oh suck my balls they do not. They go on incessantly about celebrity lives. Get it right.

Speaking of celebs...

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272620763.shtml

Not my Miley... :upset:

[totah]

I'm not opening that on the priniciple that there's a sad red smiley underneath.

www.deadbabiesraped.com

Awesome! :D

[Volumnius Flush]

I'm not opening that on the priniciple that there's a sad red smiley underneath.

www.deadbabiesraped.com

Awesome! :D

Basically all it's saying is she might leave the church and become a Scientologist.

[totah]

Lol. It's funny how when people realise that a big-time religion asking for tuppence from 'em isn't fulfilling the hole in their lives, they turn to a petty cult that charges thousands in monthly installments.

If religion could sort anything out, it would have done so by now. We've had like 5000 years of Abrahamic religion, and god knows how many prophets, but all I can see coming out of it is priestly profits.

[Iscariot]

it's hard for religion to make an impact or accomplish anything when it's countered by a powerful anti-religious movement

for every action there is an equal yet opposite reaction

[1338 h4x0r]

There wasn't much of an anti-religious movement before the Enlightenment

And the track record before hand wasn't so great either

[Volumnius Flush]

Lol. It's funny how when people realise that a big-time religion asking for tuppence from 'em isn't fulfilling the hole in their lives, they turn to a petty cult that charges thousands in monthly installments.

If religion could sort anything out, it would have done so by now. We've had like 5000 years of Abrahamic religion, and god knows how many prophets, but all I can see coming out of it is priestly profits.

Yes. But it is really sad to think poor Miley is going to be misled by the big bad Travolta wolf.

[siva_chair]

Yes. But it is really sad to think poor Miley is going to be misled by the big bad Travolta wolf.

Well her father once proudly sported a mullet so I think it is safe to say that bad decisions are not at all unusual in that family.

[Dr Hooch]

it's hard for religion to make an impact or accomplish anything when it's countered by a powerful anti-religious movement

lulwut

you guys had a ****ing 6 millenium headstart or something

can't blame this on us

[Der Übermensch]

there's been a pack of lyndon laroche fascists telling me obama is finished every time i walk past 33rd and market this week maybe that's what they were talking about

I got in a fight with one of those idiots last year. Trying to tell me Churchill orchestrated Pearl Harbor... WTF!?

[Dr Hooch]

Churchill did 911

[guitrguy]

Nah dude, it was Saddam.

[Dr Hooch]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7440472.stm

was nice knowing you, planet earth

[dei]

Virginia Woolf did 9/11.

[guitrguy]

:.(

[dei]

I have a bird to nest with you.

[guitrguy]

Make like a tree and leaf.

[dei]

Make like a leaf and blow away.

[Volumnius Flush]

Make like a leaf and blow away.

Make like an Indian and blow a leaf.

[1338 h4x0r]

Virginia Woolf did 9/11.

Wrong

http://jewsdidwtc.org/

[Iscariot]

make like a german and eat some poop

[1338 h4x0r]

Don't knock Scheisswurst

[Volumnius Flush]

make like a german and eat some poop

Make like a cow and poop some grass.

[Iscariot]

make like a monkey and throw some poop

[Danish]

WOOOO solidarity!

Speaking of which, I heard your posties have passed a resolution to boycott Israel. Does this mean we get no more mail from Canada? That would be a great loss. :rolleyes:

And what's this mental illness, if you don't mind my asking?

Sorry I didn't respond sooner! lol

Yea, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers passed a resolution at their convention to support the boycott and divestment campaign to end Israeli apartheid. CUPE Ontario (my union) did this two years ago, but CUPW is the first national union to join on. In conversations with them, it's evident that they won't be able to refuse to handle mail from Israel, though I think there are plans to refuse to deliver mail to Consulates (but don't take my word, this is just what I've heard).

But I'm very proud of them. It takes a lot of guts to take a position on Israeli apartheid as an organization. When CUPE Ontario did, the president Sid Ryan was subject to quite the slander campaign and it cost the union over $50,000 in legal costs.

And I have depression. Currently wrestling the dragon, and thankfully I've gotten the upper hand.

[Hababi]

Ugh wasting time watching an idiot on who wants to be a millionaire, who doesn't know who the president of Pakistan is.

[Der Übermensch]

So I just found out Maine has no provision against Open-Carry. I think I'll start...

[Hababi]

There's one state I won't be moving to :o

I'm learning Vietnamese. It's easier than Chinese but some of the vocab is the same, so I'm figuring on getting into Chinese after I have a good foundation.

[Der Übermensch]

About half the states in the US have it. Penn seems to as well, although u need a permit within the Philly city limits.

[mph4ever]

So I just found out Maine has no provision against Open-Carry. I think I'll start...


has this got anything to do with firearms?

[Der Übermensch]

Haha, you guessed it.
I'm going to get a CCW when I get around to it as well (you can't carry in a vehicle without a CCW, and since I live 3 miles from town, it is kind of impossible to do Open Carry without a CCW).
Maine gun laws are great. I could have gotten a CCW when I turned 18 even though I couldn't actually purchase a handgun until I am 21 :p

And call me crazy, but this is what I wanna get :p
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_1895_7.62_Nagant_Revolver.html

[Volumnius Flush]

Haha, you guessed it.
I'm going to get a CCW when I get around to it as well (you can't carry in a vehicle without a CCW, and since I live 3 miles from town, it is kind of impossible to do Open Carry without a CCW).
Maine gun laws are great. I could have gotten a CCW when I turned 18 even though I couldn't actually purchase a handgun until I am 21 :p

And call me crazy, but this is what I wanna get :p
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_1895_7.62_Nagant_Revolver.html

You are on of those silent types who blows up and kills everyone...?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Haha, you guessed it.
I'm going to get a CCW when I get around to it as well (you can't carry in a vehicle without a CCW, and since I live 3 miles from town, it is kind of impossible to do Open Carry without a CCW).
Maine gun laws are great. I could have gotten a CCW when I turned 18 even though I couldn't actually purchase a handgun until I am 21 :p

And call me crazy, but this is what I wanna get :p
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_1895_7.62_Nagant_Revolver.html
Just curious, and I'm sure you've been asked this dozens of times before, but why do you want to open carry a handgun. Not making a judgment or anything, it's just an alien concept to me.

[Der Übermensch]

So now you are extending the attacks into other threads? How mature :)

Just curious, and I'm sure you've been asked this dozens of times before, but why do you want to open carry a handgun. Not making a judgment or anything, it's just an alien concept to me.
Because it's my right :)

[Dave de Sylvia]

But you also have the right to wear a chicken suit! I mean, do you feel it's necessary?

[Der Übermensch]

Fair enough point. Chicken suits don't serve as functional a purpose as a firearm potentially can. (Well, I'm sure there is SOME situation that the reverse may be true...).

I do live in a very low crime State, but that doesn't negate the principle of it.

[Reaganista]

he wants to carry a gun because the social stimga on them is less severe than on cocksleeves

[Volumnius Flush]

So now you are extending the attacks into other threads? How mature :)


You are in college, you do realize an attack on one's character would come in the form of a declarative statement? I was simply asking a question and not making a declarative statement so how could I have attacked your character... in a question?

[Der Übermensch]

Funny... it came off as sounding rhetorical.

Edit: Sorry, do you need the definition on that?
Rhetorical question - one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply.
That is to say, it is a declaration disguised as a question! OMG!!

[Volumnius Flush]

Funny... it came off as sounding rhetorical.


No, I know what rhetorical means. Probably more so than you, and possibly, subconsciously I meant it rhetorically but I honestly didn't distinguish when I posted it. I was just thinking, why does he loves his guns so much? Maybe he is planning an attack? Maybe he is autistic and doesn't know it yet! You reallllllyyy like your guns don't you? That is an autistic trait.

But without further information, I can't say it is an autistic trait, just that it might be.

[Der Übermensch]

... Thats what I always use for it.

And again, the ad hominum. Not to mention such a non sequitur. I recall you being pro-gun, so I guess the same applies to you.

I'm not asking anyone to ban you, but if you keep it up, I would place bets on it happening :)

Also, if you want to split hairs, a question starts "Are you" a statement starts "You are". You chose the latter.

[Reaganista]

**** sleeves

[Der Übermensch]

I dunno what the laws are for open-****-sleeve-wearing in Maine. Wanna look into that for me?

[Reaganista]

the founding fathers forgot to put that in the constitution so its an uphill legal battle but concealed cocksleeving is allowed anywhere

[Volumnius Flush]

... Thats what I always use for it.

And again, the ad hominum. Not to mention such a non sequitur. I recall you being pro-gun, so I guess the same applies to you.

What ad hominem?

[Reaganista]

idk if its the case here cuz i didnt read ur exchange but ppl misuse ad hominem a lot here

[Der Übermensch]

The place where you inferred I'm autistic as well as again the suggestion I may be a homicidal maniac.
Grow up, this isn't the ****ing pit.

idk if its the case here cuz i didnt read ur exchange but ppl misuse ad hominem a lot here
Latin for "at the person" (roughly). The use of a attack on the person's character or physical state to try and prove a point of substance.
Thats a winged definition, but close enough, no?

[Volumnius Flush]

idk if its the case here cuz i didnt read ur exchange but ppl misuse ad hominem a lot here

I think this would certainly be the case.

[Der Übermensch]

You are on of those silent types who blows up and kills everyone...?
An insinuation via rhetoric of homicidal tendencies = ad hominem
Maybe he is autistic and doesn't know it yet! You reallllllyyy like your guns don't you? That is an autistic trait.
An insinuation via [false] correlation of mental illness - ad hominem

I won't bother categorizing the ones from the thread this started in, as there are a lot, and I have to go. If you want, i'll itemize them when I return :)

[Volumnius Flush]

I think you misunderstand. There is nothing offensive about being called autistic. It doesn't suggest you are less of a person but rather, that you are different. Nothing bad about that. I have AS, and I have sent you a friend invite to make things better with you! I just want to help, but sometimes, I don't have the words.

[Reaganista]

Latin for "at the person" (roughly). The use of a attack on the person's character or physical state to try and prove a point of substance.
Thats a winged definition, but close enough, no?
ya the missuse is a lot of ppl will just say 'ad hominem' whenever i insult them even though the insult isnt designed to advance my argument it's just there to get a reaction

[Reaganista]

maybe you shouldn't post in the "serious" forum if you have such difficulty with words no offense

[Iskandar]

I'm learning Vietnamese. It's easier than Chinese but some of the vocab is the same, so I'm figuring on getting into Chinese after I have a good foundation.Why on earth?

[Hababi]

Why on earth?

I might specialize in Chinese-African relations. Also it's more marketable so if I go non-academic I'll have a serious plus to market myself on.

[Iskandar]

There are relations between China and Africa:confused:

[Hababi]

There are relations between China and Africa:confused:

Ummmm yeah. It's kinda why nothing's getting done in Sudan. There's significant Chinese investment in Zambia and a few other countries, too, including Equatorial Guinea.

[Apollyon]

steve have you ever had sex jw

[Iskandar]

Ummmm yeah. It's kinda why nothing's getting done in Sudan. There's significant Chinese investment in Zambia and a few other countries, too, including Equatorial Guinea.I mean relations beyond China raping Sudan.

But seriously, Vietnamese is a total waste of time and effort. Just skip straight to Chinese. It's going to be hard either way. Find a native speaker and make them your new best friend.

[Hababi]

steve have you ever had sex jw

why do you ask

[Iskandar]

He doesn't believe in premarital sex.

[Apollyon]

why do you ask

i'm the one asking the questions here DI DI MAO

[Hababi]

I mean relations beyond China raping Sudan.

But seriously, Vietnamese is a total waste of time and effort. Just skip straight to Chinese. It's going to be hard either way. Find a native speaker and make them your new best friend.

Vietnamese borrowed a lot of vocab, so some of the terms are basically the same. The tonal structure and writing system are both easier. Also Vietnam actually has a really good economy and is growing pretty well, so if I end up moving to South Korea, I'd again have an extra thing going. This way when I get to the more sophisticated tonal structure, phonology, and writing system of Chinese, I'll have had a head start.

My uni is offering Cantonese in the fall; I'm leaning toward taking it.

[Hababi]

i'm the one asking the questions here DI DI MAO

See but that basically gives you your answer so now answer mine :p

[Iskandar]

Vietnamese borrowed a lot of vocab, so some of the terms are basically the same. The tonal structure and writing system are both easier. Also Vietnam actually has a really good economy and is growing pretty well, so if I end up moving to South Korea, I'd again have an extra thing going. This way when I get to the more sophisticated tonal structure, phonology, and writing system of Chinese, I'll have had a head start.

My uni is offering Cantonese in the fall; I'm leaning toward taking itYou know what has more Chinese vocabulary? Chinese.;) And you're going to have to learn the writing system at some point anyway. Until you do, there's pinyin.

And unless you want to move to Hong Kong, Mandarin is way more useful.

[Hababi]

Mao Zedong

Cantonese=Hong Kong, Macau.

Of course I'll be learning Mandarin, too.

[Dr Hooch]

Because it's my right :)

such an awful reason

ya the missuse is a lot of ppl will just say 'ad hominem' whenever i insult them even though the insult isnt designed to advance my argument it's just there to get a reaction

yes yes yes yes yes

[Iskandar]

Cantonese=Hong Kong, Macau.

Of course I'll be learning Mandarin, too.
Do not question my expertise! Reply to my edited post.

[Hababi]

You know what has more Chinese vocabulary? Chinese.;) And you're going to have to learn the writing system at some point anyway. Until you do, there's pinyin.

And unless you want to move to Hong Kong, Mandarin is way more useful.

If I moved to Asia outside of South Korea it'd be Hong Kong. Yes Mandarin is more useful but I have Rosetta Stone Mandarin; Cantonese is also useful and not as easy to find resources to.

Eventually I want to learn Japanese too. I'm actually already working on the alphabet.


Do not question my expertise! Reply to my edited post.
Well whenever we get to your expertise whatever that is then I won't question it :evil:

[Iskandar]

If I moved to Asia outside of South Korea it'd be Hong Kong. Yes Mandarin is more useful but I have Rosetta Stone Mandarin; Cantonese is also useful and not as easy to find resources to.

Eventually I want to learn Japanese too. I'm actually already working on the alphabet.Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Mandarin, Cantonese, Korean and Japanese are all Level III (exceptionally difficult) languages. The only other two are Russian and Arabic.
Well whenever we get to your expertise whatever that is then I won't question it :evil:Lol. Well, besides politics, I know more about linguistics than anyone here except Jelle. Not that anyone cares, except maybe you and 1338 h8x0rz.

[Hababi]

Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Mandarin, Cantonese, Korean and Japanese are all Level III (exceptionally difficult) languages. The only other two are Russian and Arabic.

Oh I know. It's a long term plan.


Lol. Well, besides politics, I know more about linguistics than anyone here except Jelle. Not that anyone cares, except maybe you and 1338 h8x0rz.

Hey I'm virtually on par with you in terms of linguistics.

[Iskandar]

Oh I know. It's a long term plan.I wish you luck - you're going to need it. But please heed my advice and ditch Vietnamese. When you're stuck in downtown Saigon with your wallet stolen and ex-Cong pimps demanding payment for the prostitute you've never met before, you'll remember that you heard it from me first.
Hey I'm virtually on par with you in terms of linguistics.Aha, that is simply because I have never revealed the full extent of my knowledge before. But you are a lot more knowledgeable than would have I expected.:) You seem to be doing well with Swahili.

[Hababi]

I wish you luck - you're going to need it. But please heed my advice and ditch Vietnamese. When you're stuck in downtown Saigon with your wallet stolen and ex-Cong pimps demanding payment for the prostitute you've never met before, you'll remember that you heard it from me first.


:lol: You have Vietnam all wrong. While the government sucks, it's emphasized tourism and as a result Vietnam is basically the safest country in the region, by far, along with being more developed. Eventually that regime will give way to democracy, too.


Aha, that is simply because I have never revealed the full extent of my knowledge before. But you are a lot more knowledgeable than would have I expected.:) You seem to be doing well with Swahili.

My Swahili sucks relative to the extent of education I've taken (a full year of college coursework). I'll be speaking more Vietnamese within 2 months. I actually find isolating languages easier than agglutinating ones.

[Against Miik!]

Vietnam so horny, they love you long time.

for 10 dollar, they do whateevvver you want

[Iskandar]

My Swahili sucks relative to the extent of education I've taken (a full year of college coursework). I'll be speaking more Vietnamese within 2 months. I actually find isolating languages easier than agglutinating ones.That's because English borders on isolating. But Vietnamese is still no picnic. And do you really want to throw away a year of effort?

[thedeadwalk!]

I hadn't changed it in over a year. Of course now I'm leaning away from East Africa and Swahili so it'll make less sense.
Well, what's with the new name?

Putting this in the community thread.

[Hababi]

That's because English borders on isolating. But Vietnamese is still no picnic. And do you really want to throw away a year of effort?

Every time I look up a news article in Swahili and find myself having to consult a dictionary on many of the terms, and just guessing some of the syntactic structure glosses, I find myself answering with a resounding yes.


Well, what's with the new name?

Putting this in the community thread.

It's a Swahili word.

[Iskandar]

Every time I look up a news article in Swahili and find myself having to consult a dictionary on many of the terms, and just guessing some of the syntactic structure glosses, I find myself answering with a resounding yes.That happens with any language. They all take a lot of time and effort. It's not going to be any different with Vietnamese and certainly not with Chinese.
It's a Swahili word. ... لا, هي كلمة عربية. يا حبيبي

[Hababi]

That happens with any language. They all take a lot of time and effort. It's not going to be any different with Vietnamese and certainly not with Chinese.


Yeah but I'm off to a better start on Vietnamese than I got on Swahili. Also, Swahili isn't the most marketable language.

[Iskandar]

Yeah but I'm off to a better start on Vietnamese than I got on Swahili. Also, Swahili isn't the most marketable language.Neither is Vietnamese. And you can talk to more people with Swahili.

And hundreds of millions more with Arabic.;)

[Hababi]

Neither is Vietnamese. And you can talk to more people with Swahili.


They have about as many total speakers. And Vietnamese has many more first language speakers. Also a stronger economy.


And hundreds of millions more with Arabic.;)

I'll avoid a predictable joke

[Iskandar]

They have about as many total speakers. And Vietnamese has many more first language speakers. Also a stronger economy.There are still way better places to live in Asia.
I'll avoid a predictable jokeWhat joke?

[Hababi]

There are still way better places to live in Asia.

Korean is mad difficult and unlike the other languages not even really necessary to get by in the country. Vietnam is probably nicer than most places in China, except Hong Kong. Taiwan and Japan have an advantage too. But there are more Christians in Vietnam than Japan :p


What joke?

Oh come on you should be able to guess.

[Iskandar]

Oh come on you should be able to guess.
I can't unless it's "you can talk to millions of people but they're all terrorists."

Listen to this, it's some tourist program. How can you not think this language sounds nice?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_jW4uzaM7M

[1338 h4x0r]

Korean is mad difficult and unlike the other languages not even really necessary to get by in the country. Vietnam is probably nicer than most places in China, except Hong Kong. Taiwan and Japan have an advantage too. But there are more Christians in Vietnam than Japan :p


But they're Communists

[Hababi]

I can't unless it's "you can talk to millions of people but they're all terrorists."

Well you're o the right track.


Listen to this, it's some tourist program. How can you not think this language sounds nice?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_jW4uzaM7M

Boo.

[Iskandar]

You are really desparate to hate Arabic, aren't you? You probably don't even have a reason why you think it sounds bad.

And what is this joke?

[1338 h4x0r]

If Arabic sounds bad, so does Hebrew

Steve is anti-Semitic

[Hababi]

You are really desparate to hate Arabic, aren't you? You probably don't even have a reason why you think it sounds bad.

I don't like the entire branch.


And what is this joke?

You basically know what it will be. I'd rep it to you but I just rep'd you and you still haven't rep'd back

[1338 h4x0r]

I don't like the entire branch.

ANTI-SEMITIC i

[Iskandar]

I don't like the entire branch.Why? Because it has those gargling sounds from the back of the mouth?
You basically know what it will be. I'd rep it to you but I just rep'd you and you still haven't rep'd backI was trying to spread rep.

[Hababi]

Why? Because it has those gargling sounds from the back of the mouth?


That's part of it.

[Iskandar]

That's part of it.They're awesome.

Why else don't you like them?

[Hababi]

They're awesome.
Eww


What else is there? That they're not written with the Latin alphabet?

And the dramatic disparity in regional dialects and scripts.

[Iskandar]

EwwAwesome. Real men gargle when they talk.
And the dramatic disparity in regional dialects and scripts.Huh?

[Hababi]

Awesome. Real men gargle when they talk.

Yeah try clearing your throat
Oh wait that's an Arabic allophone:o


Huh?

What, you don't know the extent of regional variation?

Incidentally, Iraqi Arabic was offered over the summer here at Pitt, in addition to the regular Arabic offerings.

[1338 h4x0r]

anti-Semitism ITT

[Iskandar]

Yeah try clearing your throat
Oh wait that's an Arabic allophone:oIt's a voiceless uvular fricative and it's spelled خ. There is also a voiced one (غ).
What, you don't know the extent of regional variation?

Incidentally, Iraqi Arabic was offered over the summer here at Pitt, in addition to the regular Arabic offerings.Of course I do, and it doesn't bother me at all because a) the written language is the same everywhere and b) the dialects that differ most dramatically from written Arabic are the North African ones, and who gives a crap about them?

And I don't know what you mean about the script differing from place to place. The same style, naskh, is used pretty much everywhere in the Arab world. Other styles are mostly found in calligraphy, old Qur'ans etc.

[Hababi]

It's a voiceless uvular fricative and it's spelled خ. There is also a voiced one (غ).

Yeah I know what it is, I spent a lot of time on IPA in my linguistics class last fall :p

[Iskandar]

Yeah I know what it is, I spent a lot of time on IPA in my linguistics class last fall :pReally? Cool.

[Hababi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbpWonUzlrc

gaffe machine

[PerpetualBurn]

Gaffes are only worth watching if they're funny.

[Hababi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vKRtEs6AQc

[PerpetualBurn]

There's nothing wrong with what he said about Iran in those clips.

I didn't watch any further after that stupidity.

It's not inconsistent to say that Iran is not a threat to America, but it's a threat to its respective region of the world.

[Hababi]

There's nothing wrong with what he said about Iran in those clips.

I didn't watch any further after that stupidity.

It's not inconsistent to say that Iran is not a threat to America, but it's a threat to its respective region of the world.

"Iran's tiny it's not a threat"
"Iran is a grave threat"

:amaze:

[PerpetualBurn]

Iran's tiny it's not a threat

Iran is a grave threat


I can't believe you would say two grossly incompatible things.

[Iskandar]

Iran isn't tiny, it's a lot bigger than Iraq!

[Hababi]

Iran isn't tiny, it's a lot bigger than Iraq!

Yeah tell that to the messiah.

[PerpetualBurn]

Does context matter yet?

[Dr Hooch]

Why didn't the "uncle liberated auschwitz" thing get as much attention as "landed under sniper fire"?

[Hababi]

Why didn't the "uncle liberated auschwitz" thing get as much attention as "landed under sniper fire"?

Because unfortunately much of the press is smitten with Obama, whereas Hillary bashing is a national pasttime.

[Iskandar]

Why didn't the "uncle liberated auschwitz" thing get as much attention as "landed under sniper fire"?Because it's a mistake vs. a blatant lie.

[Hababi]

Because it's a mistake vs. a blatant lie.

Na it goes beyond being a simple mistake.

[Der Übermensch]

Na it goes beyond being a simple mistake.

No. Having relatives who were in WW2, I got told stuff that down the line I discovered to be non entirely correct. It's a matter of getting stuff second hand 50+ years after the fact.

[Hababi]

Anyone with a cursory knowledge of WW2 knows that Americans didn't liberate Auschwitz

Of course Obama isn't near as smart as people think he is.

[Dr Hooch]

Because it's a mistake vs. a blatant lie.

oh come on.

[guitrguy]

They are both stupid things to worry about.

[Der Übermensch]

Anyone with a cursory knowledge of WW2 knows that Americans didn't liberate Auschwitz


a) Few people have even cursory knowledge of WW2 and I doubt 1 in 100 could point on a map to within 100 miles of Aushwitz, but b) we did liberate concentration camps so I feel fine writing it off as an honest mistake.

Why? "Your Uncle liberated a concentration camp!" *Only one knows name of is Auschwitz* "My Uncle liberated Aushwitz"
I reality, I would assume it was Dachau, as that was the big one we found.... but I wouldn't know.

[Hababi]

a) Few people have even cursory knowledge of WW2 and I doubt 1 in 100 could point on a map to within 100 miles of Aushwitz,

People were critical of Bush's press secretary for not being very familiar with the Cuban Missile Crisis, and here is a candidate for president who appears to know very little about WWII.

Maybe he should be a press secretary instead.


but b) we did liberate concentration camps so I feel fine writing it off as an honest mistake.

Dishonest or lazy, one or the other.

[Iskandar]

Why exactly do Americans feel the need to pick on minor flaws of the candidates rather than their actual policies?

[Hababi]

Why exactly do Americans feel the need to pick on minor flaws of the candidates rather than their actual policies?

I donnu ask all the democrats who concentrated on Bush's gaffes. Barry Obama makes Bush look like FDR. He's a black Dan Quayle.

[guitrguy]

Bush's gaffes are just something to laugh at.

[Der Übermensch]

Dishonest or lazy, one or the other.

No. It wasn't him passing off something that HE did as different then it really was. It was a second hand or possibly third hand story he got from his family, and quite possibly he was told it was Aushwitz.
Or maybe he started telling the story and simply forgot which one it was and said the first one that came to mind. (I just checked and it was supposed to have been Buchenwald).

Now, if his Uncle had never liberated a concentration camp, then you have a point. But the fact is the guy did, and Obama simply forgot which one at some point, or simply was told the wrong one right off the bat.

[Hababi]

No. It wasn't him passing off something that HE did as different then it really was. It was a second hand or possibly third hand story he got from his family, and quite possibly he was told it was Aushwitz.

So basically he was lazy.


Now, if his Uncle had never liberated a concentration camp, then you have a point. But the fact is the guy did, and Obama simply forgot which one at some point, or simply was told the wrong one right off the bat.

A great-uncle helped liberate a concentration camp. His uncle didn't help liberate Auschwitz. Either he is lazy and didn't bother to verify what he was saying (oh and a bit dumb too for not knowing much about WW2), or he was dishonest. Either way, bad trait for a president. He's a dummie.

[guitrguy]

Jesus Christ, why is something so off the point of the election a big deal to you?

[Hababi]

Jesus Christ, why is something so off the point of the election a big deal to you?

Because part of Obama's appeal is supposed to be his oratory and his intelligence. Turns out, he has shortcomings on both fronts. When he doesn't have a canned speech to deliver, he's a bumbling nincompoop.

[guitrguy]

Because part of Obama's appeal is supposed to be his oratory and his intelligence. Turns out, he has shortcomings on both fronts. When he doesn't have a canned speech to deliver, he's a bumbling nincompoop.

He's not exactly the best speaker off the cuff, but he's not as bad as you are trying to make him out to be.

[Hababi]

He's not exactly the best speaker off the cuff, but he's not as bad as you are trying to make him out to be.

He's about the worst that I've seen of a presidential candidate. Because he's a stiff. McCain on the other hand does his best when he's not delivering a canned speech but rather thinking and interacting with people freely.

[Der Übermensch]

So basically he was lazy.
I used to think my Granddad fought in WW2. I only found out after a long time of saying both my grandparents were in WW2 that he in-fact served in Korea. Am I lazy for that? No. It's simply the fact that my dad had just said "he served in the navy when he was younger", and I assumed as much because I was about 6 years old and knew my other grandfather had served in WW2. Years later I received clarification.

A great-uncle helped liberate a concentration camp. His uncle didn't help liberate Auschwitz.

I call my great-aunts 'Aunt [name]' and refer to them as such in talking to others. Maybe you don't have any living great-Uncles/Aunts, but it is common practice to drop the 'great' when referring to them.

But sum of this story is people are making a VERY VERY BIG deal out of something that was, for the most part correct but wrong in simply a few details that any non-history buff could easily mix up.

[Hababi]

I used to think my Granddad fought in WW2. I only found out after a long time of saying both my grandparents were in WW2 that he in-fact served in Korea. Am I lazy for that? No. It's simply the fact that my dad had just said "he served in the navy when he was younger", and I assumed as much because I was about 6 years old and knew my other grandfather had served in WW2. Years later I received clarification.


If you were going to give a speech about it (let alone a CAMPAIGN appearance talking about it), don't ya think you'd kinda double check to make sure? :p

[Iskandar]

It's well known that McCain is a terrible speaker.

Oh and his policies suck.

[Apollyon]

steve doesn't care he's a mccain hagiographer

[Hababi]

It's well known that McCain is a terrible speaker.


Not when he's not stuck delivering a canned speech.

[guitrguy]

He's about the worst that I've seen of a presidential candidate. Because he's a stiff. McCain on the other hand does his best when he's not delivering a canned speech but rather thinking and interacting with people freely.

McCain is not a great candidate. If anything his willingness to pander should be enough for you too no vote for him (or you just like using it as a point of contention for candidates you don't like).

[Hababi]

McCain is not a great candidate. If anything his willingness to pander should be enough for you too no vote for him (or you just like using it a point of contention for candidates you don't like).

All politicians pander. McCain does it less than most, including BarryO.