PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Hababi]

You can stop talking about it. You aren't going to change your position, and neither are we.

I won't stop talking about it because you're excusing domestic terrorism. Do you not care that Ayers went about setting bombs, and doesn't regret it?

[Der Übermensch]

Ayers did his time, and is now a respected member of the Chicago community.
Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist too remember :) (and the ANC was waaaaaay worse then anything the WU even thought up...)

[Hababi]

Ayers did his time, and is now a respected member of the Chicago community.

Respected by who?

He's an unrepentant terrorist. Keyword: unrepentant. He is proud of what he did.

The line that he's a "respected" member of the community is bunk. He's a rich white guy with some radical and radical-sympathizing friends. That doesn't make him respected.


Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist too remember :) (and the ANC was waaaaaay worse then anything the WU even thought up...)

Yeah but the difference is that the charges against Mandela were basically made up, and he didn't even direct the military wing of the ANC, which really never did anything as bad as what the WU was planning when their apartment blew up

Also they were kinda fighting Apartheid, whereas the WU wanted to overthrow the US government and install a Stalinist regime.

[Der Übermensch]

By the mayor of Chicago for one.

I wish I hadn't thrown it out, but there a great article in Post about this either yesterday or Monday... I'll see if I can find it online.

Edit: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/18/politics/washingtonpost/main4026039.shtml

Nearly 30 years after surrendering to police, Ayers and Dohrn, both in their 60s, are tenured university professors whose work on school reform and juvenile justice have won them bipartisan respect.

Ayers is an informal adviser to Mayor Richard M. Daley and has been awarded more than $50 million in charitable grants for his promotion of small schools as a solution to a crisis in education.

In Chicago, however, Ayers is considered so mainstream that Daley issued a statement on Thursday praising him as a "distinguished professor of education" and a "valued member of the Chicago community."

Yet among politicians and activists in Chicago, what happened in the 1960s has long been overshadowed by what colleagues consider their mainstream liberal good works.

Want me to keep going...?

[Hababi]

By the mayor of Chicago for one.

That doesn't mean much :p

The man believes, fundamentally, in terrorism as a means to advance political goals. That's not respectable. It's abhorrent.

[Der Übermensch]

That doesn't mean much
I said he is a respected member of the Chicago community, so I think if the mayor of the damn city keeps him as an advisor, that does mean quite a lot to back up my statement.

[guitarded_chuck]

ignorance is bliss

[Hababi]

I said he is a respected member of the Chicago community, so I think if the mayor of the damn city keeps him as an advisor, that does mean quite a lot to back up my statement.

To reiterate:



The man believes, fundamentally, in terrorism as a means to advance political goals. That's not respectable. It's abhorrent.

Anyone who respects Ayers is not respectable.

[Der Übermensch]

So does the United States. We just don't call it terrorism. Terrorism is a label applied in perspective.

To reiterate though, that has nothing to do with my point which was that "Ayers did his time, and is now a respected member of the Chicago community."

[Mr. Ron]

Well.. Obviously I'm gonna be back someday.. I'm too weak not to :p.. But my education is very project heavy (I'm studying IT stuff).. We're 7 months in and we're already programming something for a company.. And I'm getting to experience crunch time for the first time ever!.. Woohoo

Soo.. I better lay off the forum-crack for a year or so

Yes, by all means concentrate on your work. That is far more important than posting on here. Good luck with everything and just remember: I'll be thinking of you in those lonely, cold nights when I'm alone. <333


Two very different things. If you really think the Liberals want to turn the country socialist man you are truly misinformed. Have you heard of "middle ground"?

(if you weren't joking i dunno really)

I was jk'in

[thedeadwalk!]

Mr. Ron's most recent avatar is much too fun than it should be.

"Sassy."

[McP3000]

my avatar is so much more fun than Mr Ron's

[thedeadwalk!]

I saw someone else with "I'm gay but my asshole isn't" making it more fun than yours. Maybe if I was more fundamental with an open mind, it would be better, but it's not.

[Mr. Ron]

my avatar is so much more fun than Mr Ron's

talk to the hand alright

[thedeadwalk!]

Dammit! I finished a 750ml bottle of whiskey in 3 sittings. I don't know whether my tolerance is increasing or my weight decreasing (I drink till I'm stinko), and which one to root for.

[Against Miik!]

Increased tolerance is never a good thing, unless you are the type who likes to show off

[thedeadwalk!]

I'd rather be drunk.

So I should root for weight loss. That makes sense.

[thedeadwalk!]

Speaking of whiskey, 1792 has a nice wicker-esque thing around the bottle-neck that catches the little dribble that happens after pouring a shot, so as to not leave a sticky streak.

[Against Miik!]

I can't enjoy whiskey. Its sooo harsh. But I can drink a few things that my friends can't, like vodka and tequila.

[jenyus]

i love whiskey and scotch

[Smokey D]

Vodka isn't exactly a manly drink.

[Against Miik!]

Why do you say that? Straight vodka on the rocks? I'm not talkin about peach flavored vodka in a glass of orange juice or something.

[Der Übermensch]

You call Whiskey harsh, yet you drink Tequila?

[Mr. Ron]

Milk, now there's a manly drink.

[thedeadwalk!]

"Manly" has little meaning to me as most alcohol (liquor, at least (hell, beer, too (though in a beer way, not liquor way))) tastes the same to me.

Anyway, I'm thinking of picking up some random 50ml bottles of liquor to drink before going home for Summer.

[Against Miik!]

You call Whiskey harsh, yet you drink Tequila?

Strangely enough, yes. It just doesn't work with me. Can't do dark rum either.

[Der Übermensch]

Strangely enough, yes. It just doesn't work with me. Can't do dark rum either.

WHAT!!? But Dark Rum is the only good Rum!

[thedeadwalk!]

Ever have a Dark n' Stormy? It's dark rum with ginger beer. I've been looking for ginger beer so I can make these.

[Against Miik!]

I did to much last year

[jenyus]

what about apple juice!

[Smokey D]

Why do you say that? Straight vodka on the rocks? I'm not talkin about peach flavored vodka in a glass of orange juice or something.

Yeah I know.

[Against Miik!]

Well I don't see anything wrong with it. Russians drink vodka, and before 9/11, all the bad *** terrorists in movies were Russians.

mmm those were the days.

[PerpetualBurn]

I drink bitter.

Because I'm a bitter man.

[Mr. Ron]

Last thing I drank was Baileys irish cream.

[thedeadwalk!]

I should try Bailey's sometime. Though, how quickly I go through liqueurs by themselves is depressing.

[McP3000]

Rum is the way to go

[siva_chair]

Vodka isn't exactly a manly drink.

There are lots of burly Russian men that would strongly disagree with you.

WHAT!!? But Dark Rum is the only good Rum!

It IS the best. Meyer's Rum and Coke is an excellent drink.

[Der Übermensch]

Meyers is good, but I prefer Pussers.

And Gosling!

[Dr Hooch]

I'm so manly my favourite drink is gin and tonic

a gentleman's drink

that does not make your breath stink

which is surely an advantage

I do drink beer, but only really stuff like san miguel (daft... mmm), Becks vier, that kind of thing. Corona's nice on sunny days; and my main pub/bar drink is cider (ACTUAL cider)

[siva_chair]

Gin and tonics are good. I like them because they are usually one of the cheapest drinks at the bar.

[Dr Hooch]

Gin and tonics are good. I like them because they are usually one of the cheapest drinks at the bar.

:eek: Really?

They're fu'cking expensive over here. And you have to go to a decent bar for them to even know what they're doing. I usually make my own.

[siva_chair]

:eek: Really?

They're fu'cking expensive over here. And you have to go to a decent bar for them to even know what they're doing. I usually make my own.

That sucks man. It is usually cheaper than most (good) beer here. Maybe it's just Kansas....

[Iscariot]

haha gin and tonic

what a disgusting and girly drink who cares what it makes your breath smell like it tastes like discharged vaginal fluids

i like white russians and whiskey straight though i usually get cheap whiskey because a double shot of jack at the bar is like $6

[siva_chair]

haha gin and tonic

what a disgusting and girly drink who cares what it makes your breath smell like it tastes like discharged omnibusl fluids

i like white russians and whiskey straight though i usually get cheap whiskey because a double shot of jack at the bar is like $6

I usually drink gin and tonic when I don't want a shitty hangover the next day or when I am on a budget.

I usually go for scotch on the rocks or a Jack and coke. Or if I am in the mood for a taste of the Carribean I go for Meyer's Rum and Coke.

White Russians are good, but too many of them turn you into a major lard ***, so I tend to drink those in moderation.

[Against Miik!]

mmm caucasian russians

[griftadan]

well i'll return to the community thread if everyones discussing alcohol

so i'm in the guinness phase that every adult male goes through

also talk about how beer is getting more expensive, ****ing third worlders

[siva_chair]

well i'll return to the community thread if everyones discussing alcohol

so i'm in the guinness phase that every adult male goes through

also talk about how beer is getting more expensive, ****ing third worlders

Guinness is still my favorite drink.

So much for phases!

[griftadan]

i love it but i haven't had it in weeks

/makes weekend plans

[siva_chair]

i love it but i haven't had it in weeks

/makes weekend plans

I think I would actually die if I didn't have it in weeks....

[PerpetualBurn]

You really can't fault a good stout.

Murphy's is also a good drink. Just hard to find compared to Guinness.

[siva_chair]

I like Beamish (sp?) as well.

Murphy's isn't too hard to find around here. On tap, however, is a different story....

[Dave de Sylvia]

lol Beamish is like bum stout

Murphys is probably the best since Guinness turned to hell

[siva_chair]

lol Beamish is like bum stout

Haha I like that.

[guitrguy]

I should try Bailey's sometime. Though, how quickly I go through liqueurs by themselves is depressing.

Bailey's is sugary poop!

[Mr. Ron]

XXX **** YOUR APATHY XXX

[guitarded_chuck]

mint chocolate bailey's + choc milk = decently sexy

[McP3000]

You wanna drink Bailey's from a shoe?

[guitarded_chuck]

Wanna go to a club where people wee on each other?

[Dr Hooch]

haha gin and tonic

what a disgusting and girly drink who cares what it makes your breath smell like

she does. Anyway you sure you weren't drinking fish and tonic? Or maybe gin and vagina?


i like white russians and whiskey straight though i usually get cheap whiskey because a double shot of jack at the bar is like $6


:lol: there's plenty of bodily fluids i'd rather drink than jack daniels

[Mr. Ron]

Am I the only one here that doesn't drink ion a regular basis? :(

[Iskandar]

Am I the only one here that doesn't drink ion a regular basis? :(Me.
Vodka isn't exactly a manly drink.Sure it is. It's liquor, ergo, manly.

[Dr Hooch]

Am I the only one here that doesn't drink ion a regular basis? :(

I enjoy it so i drink. It's not a big deal.

[guitrguy]

wait who said vodka isn't a manly drink?


edit: nevermind.

[PerpetualBurn]

One time I had a pint of Carling with a double vodka in it. It was the worst drink ever.

[ringworm]

Am I the only one here that doesn't drink ion a regular basis? :(
if you meant ON a regular basis, then i can say no, i rarely drink, it makes me wanna chain smoke and i hate feeling hungover or groggy the next day, i prefer my fun to come in baggies :p

[guitarded_chuck]

Rum + Coke ftw

[totah]

You really can't fault a good stout.

Murphy's is also a good drink. Just hard to find compared to Guinness.

How come every three weeks I come on here I see you talking about beer? Don't you have a sexfriend or something to amuse you?

www.xkcd.com

[Dr Hooch]

<3 Corona <3

[Iskandar]

Bleh.

[Futue te Ipsum]

How come every three weeks I come on here I see you talking about beer? he wasnt talking about beer in the post you quoted LULZ

[Iskandar]

I don't like your attitude.

[PerpetualBurn]

How come every three weeks I come on here I see you talking about beer? Don't you have a sexfriend or something to amuse you?

www.xkcd.com

Are you telling me that people have sex sober these days?

[Futue te Ipsum]

after marriage, maybe.

[PerpetualBurn]

But probably not.

[Futue te Ipsum]

perhaps they use other substances.

like... rohypnol

[dei]

I don't drink!

[McP3000]

people have sober sex all the time

its called prostitution

[Mr. Ron]

I enjoy it so i drink. It's not a big deal.

I'm not saying it is? :p

[Iscariot]

corona and guiness aren't very good

i used to drink those all the time when i was in high school but the older i get the worse they taste

i prefer canadian brews because i can get a huge can of lebatt's for $2 at plaid pantry

@ last page

[Permanent Solution]

just give me the abstract it's all anyone ever reads anyway

This thesis discusses the use of the Matching Pursuit Decomposition (MPD) algorithm to more effectively analyze signals in the time-frequency domain. The algorithm decomposes a signal into a linear combination of weighted 2-dimensional Gaussian atoms in the time-frequency plane. The focus of the algorithm’s application within this thesis is in the field of structural health monitoring (SHM), although applications in video/image processing and audio signal processing are also briefly discussed. The MPD is used in SHM as a classification scheme because it can increase accuracy and resolution in time-frequency analysis. Classical time-frequency representations such as the Wigner Distribution and the Spectrogram suffer from an assortment of problems that keep either representation from providing an optimal solution to SHM classification problems. A time-frequency representation that can be derived from the MPD (MPD-TFR) can be used to address the greatest problem of the Wigner Distribution because it does not suffer from inner or outer interference terms, a primary problem with the Wigner distribution. The MPD-TFR can be obtained by linearly combining the Wigner Distribution of each atom in the time-frequency plane. As the Wigner distribution of a Gaussian atom is highly localized, the MPD-TFR does not suffer from resolution problems in time or frequency; this is the biggest problem with the spectrogram. By using the MPD to represent an SHM signal, interference terms will be eliminated and resolution will be increased in the signal’s time-frequency representation, which optimizes the signals for accurate time-frequency analysis and classification.

/a week later

[McP3000]

I'm not saying it is? :p
it is if your underage

[Mr. Ron]

Underage kids bragging about "oMg I wuz sewwww krunk lastnitee" are hilarious, but at the same time somewhat saddening.

[guitrguy]

I'm of age :cool:

[McP3000]

Underage kids bragging about "oMg I wuz sewwww krunk lastnitee" are hilarious, but at the same time somewhat saddening.
my sister is one of those

and she turned 15 two months ago :lol:

[Futue te Ipsum]

I'm of age :cool:and with child?

[guitrguy]

Nope. :cool:

[Dr Hooch]

corona and guiness aren't very good

i used to drink those all the time when i was in high school but the older i get the worse they taste

<shurg> I'm sure i'll get sick of the taste as well

I'm only like 18

[guitrguy]

To any of you guys who use facebook, have you added the nations application?

[Mr. Ron]

Never heard of it.

[guitrguy]

I think I sent you an invite. Its pretty cool. A first for Facebook apps.

[Dr Hooch]

no because it is lame.

[guitrguy]

party pooper

[Iskandar]

To any of you guys who use facebook, have you added the nations application?
No but it sounds cool.

[guitrguy]

yeah man, I totally instituted a tax reform the took from the rich and gave to the poor.

[Iskandar]

I want to found my own nation. It'll be the new Jerusalem.

[guitarded_chuck]

I think the leader of a nation should be the one with the biggest ****.

[Iskandar]

My first act of office was to grant tax breaks for small businesses.

[YDtoad]

oh btw Smokey, your instinct from a while back about the greater impact of the external slave trade to Africa proved correct. Check out Slavery and African Life by Patrick Manning for a breakdown of it.

[Otherside]

My first vote would be to tax the the lower class more while giving huge tax breaks to transnational corporations and ignoring the middle class completely

[guitrguy]

Meanwhile the people of the Social Democracy of Giza will sip on syzurp and not worry about buying food.

[totah]

Anybody remember Nationstates.net?

[Dr Hooch]

Anybody remember Nationstates.net?

it was fun for a while, then it got old.

[guitarded_chuck]

Nation States 2 is coming out soon. Should be ok.

[Danish]

Hey everyone, long time no see. I don't post as much as I used to, but that doesn't mean I've died yet. Just to let you all know what I'm up to, I've been getting more and more active in the labour movement over the past year. I'm still the Health & Safety Officer of my union local. I'm also the co-chair of CUPE Ontario's Young Workers' Committee, as well as the Brock Rep on the CUPE Ontario University Workers' Co-ordinating Committee. I worked on an organizing drive at another university recently, and I continue to TA in labour studies. I plan to finish my undergraduate degree next year, and I'm getting a handle on my mental illness.

Lots of hats, very busy. But if I've learned anything, it's that individuals can make a real, meaningful difference in society.

[Mr. Ron]

Good to see you're being active. :)

[Danish]

Good to see you're being active. :)

Someone's gotta. The world's not going to change itself!

Solidarity isn't just a catchphrase. It's really the only way people like us can make change and stand up for ourselves.

[totah]

Someone's gotta. The world's not going to change itself!

Solidarity isn't just a catchphrase. It's really the only way people like us can make change and stand up for ourselves.

WOOOO solidarity!

Speaking of which, I heard your posties have passed a resolution to boycott Israel. Does this mean we get no more mail from Canada? That would be a great loss. :rolleyes:

And what's this mental illness, if you don't mind my asking?

[Dr Hooch]

Hey everyone, long time no see. I don't post as much as I used to, but that doesn't mean I've died yet. Just to let you all know what I'm up to, I've been getting more and more active in the labour movement over the past year. I'm still the Health & Safety Officer of my union local. I'm also the co-chair of CUPE Ontario's Young Workers' Committee, as well as the Brock Rep on the CUPE Ontario University Workers' Co-ordinating Committee. I worked on an organizing drive at another university recently, and I continue to TA in labour studies. I plan to finish my undergraduate degree next year, and I'm getting a handle on my mental illness.

Lots of hats, very busy. But if I've learned anything, it's that individuals can make a real, meaningful difference in society.

Guys! A communist!

Don't just stand there!

DO something!

[guitrguy]

/redistributes wealth

[dei]

Nation States 2 is coming out soon. Should be ok.

Is it true that you'll have to pay to play NS2?

[Dr Hooch]

Is it true that you'll have to pay to play NS2?

Resolution #189: the mandatory playing of nationstates 2

Some people in your country like playing nationstates 2.

a) Make playing nationstates 2 mandatory for 6 hours of everybody's day

b) ban nationstates 2 and the utterance of its name, and also ban the use of the number '2'

c) Have sex with hitler's reanimated corpse

d) Nice sounding compromise with horrific humanitarian consequences

[guitarded_chuck]

Is it true that you'll have to pay to play NS2?

I don't know if it's official or not yet but that's what everyone is saying.

edit: Wikipedia says it will be free so maybe not then.

[Akira]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/26/sean.bell.trial/index.html

Racist cops: A bazillion

Black people: Zero

[totah]

Resolution #189: the mandatory playing of nationstates 2

Some people in your country like playing nationstates 2.

a) Make playing nationstates 2 mandatory for 6 hours of everybody's day

b) ban nationstates 2 and the utterance of its name, and also ban the use of the number '2'

c) Have sex with hitler's reanimated corpse

d) Nice sounding compromise with horrific humanitarian consequences

Lol NS pwnage.


As for the racist cops:

"Patrick Lynch, president of the New York Police Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said "there's no winners; there's no losers" in the case."

Never trust a cop whose last name is Lynch when it comes to race charges.

[Akira]

Haha. There are no winners except for the cops who got to murder someone without punishment, and no losers besides the kid who died and his family and everyone who cares about justice.

[Hababi]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/26/sean.bell.trial/index.html

Racist cops: A bazillion

Black people: Zero

:lol:

One of the cops was black. So, racism really wasn't a factor. It wasn't a couple of white cops taking an opportunity to gun down a black guy. It was a pair of cops faced with a spur of the moment decision, believing two guys were reaching for their guns, and firing. Unfortunate, definitely, but not what Al Sharpton is trying to make of it.

[Dr Hooch]

:lol:

One of the cops was black. So, racism really wasn't a factor. It wasn't a couple of white cops taking an opportunity to gun down a black guy. It was a pair of cops faced with a spur of the moment decision, believing two guys were reaching for their guns, and firing. Unfortunate, definitely, but not what Al Sharpton is trying to make of it.

If the police didn't identify themselves, then it's clearly their fault.

Anyway not that i think this is racist but you're always going on about selfhating jews so stfu hypocrite kthx

[Hababi]

If the police didn't identify themselves, then it's clearly their fault.

Anyway not that i think this is racist but you're always going on about selfhating jews so stfu hypocrite kthx

It appears that they did identify themselves, that the people who got shot were drunk and responded in a way that made the police think they were reaching for guns, and that that precipitated the action.

[Dr Hooch]

It appears that they did identify themselves, that the people who got shot were drunk and responded in a way that made the police think they were reaching for guns, and that that precipitated the action.

that's simply not what is being said. For a start, the police shot to avoid getting run over?

Bell, Guzman and Trent Benefield got into the car, with Bell at the wheel. The detectives drew their weapons, said Guzman and Benefield, who testified that they never heard the plainclothes detectives identify themselves as police.

Bell was in a panic to get away from the armed men, his friends testified.

But the detectives thought Bell was trying to run down one of them, believed that their lives were in danger and started shooting, according to their lawyers.

[Hababi]

whether or not they acted in a way that warranted prosecution is certainly up for debate, but the idea that this was racially motivated is pretty ludicrous.

[Dr Hooch]

I'm wrong about everything we disagreed on, so now i'm just going to ignore what we were discussing.

Cool

[Amit]

itt: zero hates black men because he is jealous of their large dongs

[Akira]

Steve, looking into it a little more I realize that it's not really fair to bring race into it, but that's not really a defense of the cops. They aren't racist, they're just criminally irresponsible.

Either way, I'm calling it murder.

[Dr Hooch]

I'd call it manslaughter, really.

[dei]

ludicrous.

I be that nigga named Luda.

[Hababi]

Steve, looking into it a little more I realize that it's not really fair to bring race into it, but that's not really a defense of the cops. They aren't racist, they're just criminally irresponsible.

Either way, I'm calling it murder.

Oh come now. When you're a police officer, you must always be on guard. Most cops would've probably acted the same way in that circumstance. They made a mistake, but that doesn't make them guilty of murder. At the very most I would say 2nd degree manslaughter, but even that is tenuous. We can't crucify cops for tough circumstances.

[dei]

Steve, why do you always side with criminals?

[Dr Hooch]

Oh come now. When you're a police officer, you must always be on guard. Most cops would've probably acted the same way in that circumstance. They made a mistake, but that doesn't make them guilty of murder. At the very most I would say 2nd degree manslaughter, but even that is tenuous. We can't crucify cops for tough circumstances.

It wasn't a tough circumstance? One cannot live in a society in which police officer cans, without identifying themselves, all draw guns on people and then, still without identifying themselves, open fire on someone; whether they were driving towards them, drawing weapons themselves or anything. Since the police hadn't identified themselves he would have been justified in running them over in simple self defence much more valid than that claimed by the policemen. Broken country you live in, he'd be justified in drawing the weapon he didn't even have, and then were would the police be?

The police are there to keep order, not shoot motherf'uckers.

[Hababi]

The prosecution claimed they didn't identify themselves...did the police officers say so?

[Dr Hooch]

The prosecution claimed they didn't identify themselves...did the police officers say so?

Two witnesses do, anyway. You accept they are guilty of manslaughter if they didn't?

[Hababi]

Were these witnesses partying with the guy who got shot? Tbh I'm very much inclined to believe the word of the officers over them. I'm guessing that the officers have very good record; identifying yourself as a cop is something that even a rookie officer would do.

If they didn't identify themselves, then I can understand the prosecution.

[Mr. Ron]

So apparently, there's been a string of murders from NY state down to DC where college men in their early twenties have been abducted when walking home drunk, tortured, killed and then dumped into rivers. Everywhere the bodies are found, a smilie face is there, spray painted. This was only noticed and connected by two retired police officers this year, and there are estimates that between 50 and 100 people have been killed by the the same group of people. Police think that its some sort of underground serial killer cult or something.


The scary thing is, is that a kid i went to high school with went missing while walking home from a bar in December, they never found him until last week, where he turned up in a river. It could be a coincidence, but the situation is disturbing considering the victims profiles matches his.

[Dr Hooch]

I'd worry more about travelling on your freeways in your automobile if i were you.






still creepy :s

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwazbqzVkck


http://kstp.com/article/stories/s421846.shtml?v=1

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080427/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan

sorry ron but unstable democracies come first

[Against Miik!]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mimaNFEbg6U

Barack doesn't look bad here, but really, who's gonna play hard defense on the guy

[guitrguy]

So apparently, there's been a string of murders from NY state down to DC where college men in their early twenties have been abducted when walking home drunk, tortured, killed and then dumped into rivers. Everywhere the bodies are found, a smilie face is there, spray painted. This was only noticed and connected by two retired police officers this year, and there are estimates that between 50 and 100 people have been killed by the the same group of people. Police think that its some sort of underground serial killer cult or something.


The scary thing is, is that a kid i went to high school with went missing while walking home from a bar in December, they never found him until last week, where he turned up in a river. It could be a coincidence, but the situation is disturbing considering the victims profiles matches his.
That reminds me of when I lived in Virginia while the Beltway snipers were on the loose. Luckily they never got far enough south to my town.

[siva_chair]

Lots of hats, very busy. But if I've learned anything, it's that individuals can make a real, meaningful difference in society.

Man whoever sold you that line would make an awesome car salesman.... :p

Good to see you posting.

[Danish]

WOOOO solidarity!

Speaking of which, I heard your posties have passed a resolution to boycott Israel. Does this mean we get no more mail from Canada? That would be a great loss. :rolleyes:

And what's this mental illness, if you don't mind my asking?

CUPE Ontario, of which I'm a very active member, passed almost the same resolution two years ago, which I am in full support of. The boycott has been requested by virtually every Palestinian trade union organization, and CUPE O's president received death threats over it.

Mail will still be going from Canada to Israel, don't fret about that. This campaign is basically the same as the campaign to end apartheid in South Africa.

Depression. Currently, I have the upper hand, but we'll see how it goes. I'm seeing my therapist less often over the summer. I also almost lost my job because of it. If I didn't have a union, I wouldn't have a job.

[Danish]

Were these witnesses partying with the guy who got shot? Tbh I'm very much inclined to believe the word of the officers over them. I'm guessing that the officers have very good record; identifying yourself as a cop is something that even a rookie officer would do.

If they didn't identify themselves, then I can understand the prosecution.

The police are scum.

[Danish]

Man whoever sold you that line would make an awesome car salesman.... :p

Good to see you posting.

lol But I left out the second part! Individuals are virtually powerless on their own, especially working-class individuals. We need to combine our political power into organizations that are capable of challenging the power of the ruling class.

"No force on Earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one"

[big80smullet]

That reminds me of when I lived in Virginia while the Beltway snipers were on the loose. Luckily they never got far enough south to my town.

My auntie lives like 100 metres from a forest where 9 people were murdered in 89-92

[McP3000]

My auntie lives like 100 metres from a forest where 9 people were murdered in 89-92
have you ever questioned the notion that she was the murderer?

[Iskandar]

Depression. Currently, I have the upper hand, but we'll see how it goes. I'm seeing my therapist less often over the summer. I also almost lost my job because of it. If I didn't have a union, I wouldn't have a job.I'm in the exact same situation..

[PerpetualBurn]

Depression has almost destroyed my degree studies. I'm only recently diagnosed, though I've suffered the symptoms to varying degrees for several years. It's been over the past year or more that I've barely been able to function.

[Danish]

Yea, me too. I took a year off from degree work and struggled to keep up with my TA work. The instructor in the course is still trying to get me fired over this, which was a direct result of my illness. Basically, it amounts to discrimination based on disability. And this is a guy that used to be my friend...

[guitrguy]

:( I've had depression since I can remember. Took me until recently to learn how to cope, and I still struggle with it.

[mph4ever]

my partners dad is clinically depressed but we can't get him to accept it at all. everytime it comes up he goes off on one and it can takes months of effort to put it back together.

my mom was od'ing on anti-depressents called prothiaden. she upped her own dosage over a couple of years and never told anyone. she was able to walk into a local pharmacy and get this sh'it without a prescription.

she collapsed in january and they admitted her to hospital but of course she managed to convince them that it was nothing other that a feeling that she would fall over from time to time, a side effect of the tablets. they started doing brain scans and looking for neurological type causes. never thought that it might be a side effect of drug abuse or taking too many for all the wrong reasons.

i'd seen it before so i took it upon myself to talk to the registrar in the hospital to explain her case history and her abuse of drugs and sh'it and they said they would look into it. they gathered all the information and then they released her three weeks later on the same medication, shes has started to over indulge a little, shes is on the slippery slope and i am the only one who sees it.

the system has failed her. they should have tried to help her but they couldn't care less, health systems suck, shes on private and they still don't give a fu'ck. lately i have become cold towards the whole situation since in the absence of any institutional support, my siblings are abroad, then it is all on me. i think i am even beginning to resent the whole thing and this causes me to distance myself from the whole situation.

[Amit]

i don't think the system failed her at all

it's the fault of her family, including yourself, for not seriously speaking up

[mph4ever]

thats so unfair. i went to the people in charge at the hospital and expalined at great length what i saw as the problem. i explained that i had observed her suffering the side effects, i explained she was getting more than the prescribed amount without a proper prescription, i explained in great detail how i had grown up with this. i explained that they should not let her home until they had addressed the issues she faces, i pleaded with them to help her but she outsmarted them, she got her r&r and is now on the same slope.

what more could i have done? put a gun to their head and say make her well. thats all i was short of doing. the system has failed her. shes in her sixties, they don't care, thats what i got out of it

[Iskandar]

Whoa, a lot of people in here are depressed.

I think it's a crime that psychotherapy isn't included as part of a national heathcare plan, same as any other medical procedure. I'm going to have to stop seeing my therapist soon because I just can't afford it. I only get $1000 of insurance a year.

[Amit]

thats so unfair. i went to the people in charge at the hospital and expalined at great length what i saw as the problem. i explained that i had observed her suffering the side effects, i explained she was getting more than the prescribed amount without a proper prescription, i explained in great detail how i had grown up with this. i explained that they should not let her home until they had addressed the issues she faces, i pleaded with them to help her but she outsmarted them, she got her r&r and is now on the same slope.

what more could i have done? put a gun to their head and say make her well. thats all i was short of doing. the system has failed her. shes in her sixties, they don't care, thats what i got out of it

well then maybe you or someone else in your family should man up and beat some sense into the trickster wench

[mph4ever]

i know, that how it can feel sometimes but that aint a solution either. she is genuinely unwell, it is very obvious, and i just think the system has failed her.

and being denied support for illnesses other than those that are physical is frankly a gross discrimmination, but then the system is full of them, isn't it

[Dr Hooch]

lol But I left out the second part! Individuals are virtually powerless on their own, especially working-class individuals. We need to combine our political power into organizations that are capable of challenging the power of the ruling class.

I think that the middle classes have even less power as a group than the working class... At least you have the power to actually stop something. We have the power to a) inconvinience ourselves and b) vote. ****ing A. =(

bah. It's alright for you. At least you have something to be angry about. What are you supposed to do when the system's shitty in your favour? I like books, I like guitar pedals, I like gin and stir fry; but i've never been in a position where these things were not easy for me to get. My parents give me money to eat; I work in the holidays, I drink in the year, the government lends me the money to learn and one day I'll have a degree and get a job somewhere and pay them back. I'm a cog in a machine, man, sentenced to a life of mediocrity by my own ****ing privelidge. And such is the world we live in, this is as good as it gets?

Hurry up and revolt for me, will you? The change will do us good. I won't stop you. Just don't kid yourselves. The house always wins.

[guitrguy]

I think that the middle classes have even less power as a group than the working class... At least you have the power to actually stop something. We have the power to a) inconvinience ourselves and b) vote. ****ing A. =(

bah. It's alright for you. At least you have something to be angry about. What are you supposed to do when the system's shitty in your favour? I like books, I like guitar pedals, I like gin and stir fry; but i've never been in a position where these things were not easy for me to get. My parents give me money to eat; I work in the holidays, I drink in the year, the government lends me the money to learn and one day I'll have a degree and get a job somewhere and pay them back. I'm a cog in a machine, man, sentenced to a life of mediocrity by my own ****ing privelidge. And such is the world we live in, this is as good as it gets?

Hurry up and revolt for me, will you? The change will do us good. I won't stop you. Just don't kid yourselves. The house always wins.
lucky :(

[Smokey D]

My government pays $180/w me to learn. It's awesome.

[The Stig]

My education is funded through the lottery, so I guess that's alright...Though I think it goes against my principles. I haven't made up my mind about the lottery yet.

[Russell]

My government pays $180/w me to learn. It's awesome.

I got a loan from the government that only covers half of my tuition and nothing else. My parents really can't afford to pay either.

[Smokey D]

Man where ever you live doesn't treat students right. We get interest free loans to cover full costs of tuitition, plus interest free living cost expenses or completely subsidised allowances.

[Russell]

I live in Mississippi, Good old conservative christian country.

[Mr. Ron]

is that you Brian?

[Russell]

possibly, are you Ron?

[Mr. Ron]

kk.

[Iskandar]

Were I not Alexander, I would be Diogenes.

[Mr. Ron]

I always liked the name Aurelius.

[Russell]

Marcus Aurelius is an awesome name.

[Iskandar]

How about Khadijah?

[Mr. Ron]

ewww

[Russell]

I would have to have a husband named Mohammad for that to work.

[1338 h4x0r]

Marcus Aurelius is an awesome name.

'Scipio Africanus'

[Iskandar]

ewwwWhy not?

[Mr. Ron]

Why not?

Idk, I normally don't like words with the letter "K" in them. :/

[Russell]

whats your gfs name?

[1338 h4x0r]

Idk, I normally don't like words with the letter "K" in them. :/

So I guess you don't care for the Ku Klux Klan

Race-traitor

[siva_chair]

Serpico is cooler than any of the names listed so far.

[The Stig]

I've thought of naming my kid Damon. Or Walter.

Never thought about chick names.

[Der Übermensch]

Tancredi

[Mr. Ron]

whats your gfs name?

haha touche

[siva_chair]

I'm naming my first born male child Charles Bronson. That's just his first name.

[Mr. Ron]

Charles bronson-Daniel Day-Lewis-clint eastwood


first, last and middle

[siva_chair]

Charles bronson-Daniel Day-Lewis-clint eastwood


first, last and middle

Don't forget Bruce Lee.

[Mr. Ron]

That can be his conformation name if he so chooses

[The Stig]

*Confirmation

[Mr. Ron]

idc you catholic goat!

[dei]

I want to name my son Hitler Stalin.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm naming my son "X". But its pronounced "Billy".

[siva_chair]

idc you catholic goat!

Confirmation isn't limited to Catholics, fyi.

[dei]

Yeah, it's limited to fags.

[Mr. Ron]

Confirmation isn't limited to Catholics, fyi.

I know but it was the first one to spring to mind

[siva_chair]

Yeah, it's limited to fags.

I didn't know Marlboro and Salem Winston had confirmation classes.

[Dr Hooch]

Church of England used to confirm at 11, so I am actually confirmed.

[dei]

The Catholic Church wanted to confirm me but I didn't want to do it so I grabbed my balls with my left hand and flipped them off with my right.

[siva_chair]

For those of you that suffer from depression, I have a solution!

Buy a gun.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/21/gun-owners-are-the-h.html

Sucks for those of you that live in the UK and other fascist countries where this isn't an option. :p

[totah]

For sure!

An armed citizenry is the best and last defence against practically everything except itself. And I am so sick of governments monopolising the right to violence.

[McP3000]

The Catholic Church wanted to confirm me but I didn't want to do it so I grabbed my balls with my left hand and flipped them off with my right.
middle fingah to the lawd niggah
grippin mah balls

[Russell]

I didn't know Marlboro and Salem Winston had confirmation classes.

Philip Morris needs to start telling me these things.

[ringworm]

I think it's a crime that psychotherapy isn't included as part of a national heathcare plan, same as any other medical procedure
what is up with modern day people that we seem so incapable of living, happily?
we have more than any other generation has, yet we act like we have nothing? seriously

is it the steoroids in our food, bad/lazy parenting, too many gadgets designed to take the place of parenting, lack of imagination, doctors getting kickbacks to overdiagnose or overprescribe?

seriously, why does it seem like everyone leaps and brags to say they have to take meds or suffer from some affliction? i cant figure it out, everyday i see more and more of it, and it makes me sick, especially when what you said basically would make the rest of us pay for it. and please dont take this as insulting toward your condition, i just dont get it

[Smokey D]

It's more likely that the incidence of mental illness was roughly the same but it was under diagnosed.

Although I can accept that some doctors might over diagnose things today.

I can also accept that some social structures today might be more conducive to certain types of mental illness ie there is less family, people have less friends, more people feel alienated. I can see how these could contribute to things like depression.

[totah]

Maybe quantity isn't the same as quality (despite being only a few letters away) and the more we have the more we're nailed down to?

My national animal is the roast ox on nation states:

In a bid to provide a new revenue stream for Piratim's Beef-Based Agriculture industry, it has been suggested that roast oxs could be added to the menu.
The Debate

1. "The fact is, the roast ox population is out of control," says Beef-Based Agriculture spokesperson Falala Spirit. "We have to do something about them anyway, so why not market them as tasty snacks? We could have roast ox kebabs, roast ox pies, roast ox-on-a-sticks--the possibilities are endless! Let's not pass up this golden opportunity to provide a feast, if you will, for our economy."


2. "I agree that something needs to be done about roast ox over-population," says random passer-by Beth Clinton, "but eating them? That's kind of gross. Let's just shoot the ones we have to and shovel their bodies into ditches like normal."


3. "I am shocked and appalled!" declared SPCA President Buffy Frederickson. "If anyone needs to be culled, it's us humans. The roast oxs were here first, remember? We need to take this as a sign to get our industry--agriculture in particular--to back off. The roast ox is part of what makes Piratim a great nation!"

[PerpetualBurn]

seriously, why does it seem like everyone leaps and brags to say they have to take meds or suffer from some affliction? i cant figure it out, everyday i see more and more of it, and it makes me sick, especially when what you said basically would make the rest of us pay for it. and please dont take this as insulting toward your condition, i just dont get it

I have clinical depression and suffer from very severe insomnia.

The thing is, that for the most part, this condition is manageable alone. I'm not going to die without treatment, it's just that I was a complete mess. I think however, it's just being more and more frequently recognised that people of similar, even if not as severe, states of depression as I've had, are genuinely just not healthy. And their lives can be improved immeasurably with either medication or therapy, if not both.

It appears that depression is something that is much more common than has perhaps been thought in the past. I think the apt response to you would simply be to question why we should not treat people who are depressed?

[Iskandar]

Idk, I normally don't like words with the letter "K" in them. :/No, K is a great letter. Far less ambiguous than C.

[Mr. Ron]

No, K is a great letter. Far less ambiguous than C.

I suppose it depends on the word.

[dei]

I don't like the letters K, W and Y.

[McP3000]

G pisses me off like none other

[1338 h4x0r]

G Unit!

[Russell]

I don't like the letters K, Y, J, E, L, L, Y.

[1338 h4x0r]

You repeated 'L'

Why

[Russell]

I hate 'L' doubly.

[Iskandar]

I don't like Q. It's so useless and irritating.

[McP3000]

Queer

[Dr Hooch]

For sure!

An armed citizenry is the best and last defence against practically everything except itself. And I am so sick of governments monopolising the right to violence.

Man, if there's one thing the world needs it's more people shooting eachother!

[Iskandar]

Drag Cwen

[1338 h4x0r]

Man, if there's one thing the world needs it's more people shooting eachother!

I agree

[ringworm]

I think the apt response to you would simply be to question why we should not treat people who are depressed?
my worries are what these drugs are doing to us

they seem to cause more problems in the longrun and seem to be replacing corrective action in the classroom, i just worry about medication and its effects, which get the fine print that nobody reads during the discussion of how great the child will act after prescriptions are filled. every parent i know faces pressure from schools to curb their childs behavior, behavior that was once delt with differently or labled as kids being kids

i dunno? good posts to both of ya though

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm on fluoxetine (Prozac) and to be honest, it is a pretty potent drug. I'm over 3 weeks into the course and I'm going through quite a range of side-effects. Granted for me the benefits are outweighing any negatives, but I don't think it's a drug that should be taken too lightly. I've been surprised how much of an effect it's had on me, good and bad.

I think the key factor, and how I established to myself that I'm quite unwell, is that I can confidently say that my environment was good, I didn't have any real problems (besides those that were of my own making because I wasn't performing simple tasks like getting my car fixed, or paying fines/bills), my family is supportive, and yet I was still failing to function normally.

With things like ADHD, I believe that it's a genuine problem, but there's certainly a number of crappy parents pushing to get their kid diagnosed because it's more convenient than actually parenting. And probably a number of people who just need to pick their chin up and get on with it that would rather be labelled as depressed. The important thing is that this minority doesn't detract from the large number that I think need help.

[Russell]

I thought flouxetine was paxel. Thats what I'm now. A lot of those side effects like nausea go away

[PerpetualBurn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine

Not according to my font of all knowledge. If the wiki's wrong and they're not the same, then I'm on fluoxetine, not whatever prozac's called.

Yeah, I'm reliably informed of all the effects. I just think it a bad idea for people who don't need to go through this to do it because the doctor's too lazy to go through alternatives.

[Russell]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine

Not according to my font of all knowledge. If the wiki's wrong and they're not the same, then I'm on fluoxetine, not whatever prozac's called.

Yeah, I'm reliably informed of all the effects. I just think it a bad idea for people who don't need to go through this to do it because the doctor's too lazy to go through alternatives.

I know I'm paxel. I could be wrong about the chemical name because I am trying to recall it from memory.

[PerpetualBurn]

Wiki says paxil is paroxetine. And it would never lie to me.

[ringworm]

The important thing is that this minority doesn't detract from the large number that I think need help.

this is what i work at trying to get past, i often think this way, but sometimes fall back into old habits

its like something i say when someone tells me how crazy drivers are getting, i always ask them to think back on all the ones they passes that were driving just fine, but those 1 or 2 idiots cutting people off leave the biggest impression

[Russell]

Wiki says paxil is paroxetine. And it would never lie to me.

thats what it is.

[ringworm]

does a regular doctor prescribe these, or do you have to go to a shrink?

[Russell]

regular doctor.

[totah]

And can you sort us out for the summer festivals?

[Russell]

do you have a bucket full of cheese?

[totah]

Usually we pay with money...

[Russell]

In my country cheese is money

You know big pimpin and spending that cheese?

[PerpetualBurn]

And can you sort us out for the summer festivals?

If you want to enjoy taking a pill for a week in order to enjoy a broken sleep pattern slight drowsiness, then yes.

I'll stick to the more enjoyable, faster acting recreational drugs though.

[Russell]

Do people even use SSRIs to get high?

[siva_chair]

Man, if there's one thing the world needs it's more people shooting eachother!

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

[1338 h4x0r]

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

Pencils aren't made to misspell words, where guns are made to kill people.

I approve entirely of shooting people (more so of dropping incendiaries on them), but I just can't accept a flawed, nearly medieval argument by analogy.

[Reaganista]

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
correct analogy would be
pencils cause words to be written in pencil

[siva_chair]

Pencils aren't made to misspell words, where guns are made to kill people.

I approve entirely of shooting people (more so of dropping incendiaries on them), but I just can't accept a flawed, nearly medieval argument by analogy.

No, guns are made to shoot a projectile. Targets are chosen by the shooter, not the gun.

correct analogy would be
pencils cause words to be written in pencil

And guns cause bullets to be fired.

[Reaganista]

nd guns cause bullets to be fired.
no guns cause murder stupid

[siva_chair]

no guns cause murder stupid

Then pencils cause misspelled words.

[Reaganista]

no pencils causes things to be written in pencil that's wat a pencil is for this is a simple concept guns are only made for murdering innocent people that's all you can do with them

[1338 h4x0r]

No, guns are made to shoot a projectile. Targets are chosen by the shooter, not the gun.

During the Middle Ages, early gunners using hand cannons liked to shoot at pigeons and trivial paper targets.

True fact.

[siva_chair]

no pencils causes things to be written in pencil that's wat a pencil is for this is a simple concept guns are only made for murdering innocent people that's all you can do with them

My bad, I forgot that guy trying to rape my wife was innocent.

[Reaganista]

there's a guy trying to rape your wife???!

and you're posting on mx???!

[1338 h4x0r]

My bad, I forgot that guy trying to rape my wife was innocent.

If your story is made up, do we still have to humor it for hypothetical reasons?

[siva_chair]

During the Middle Ages, early gunners using hand cannons liked to shoot at pigeons and trivial paper targets.

True fact.

During the Middle Ages, people used to pour burning oil on other people. True fact.

It's no longer the Middle Ages. True fact.

[siva_chair]

there's a guy trying to rape your wife???!

and you're posting on mx???!

Nope. I shot him.

If your story is made up, do we still have to humor it for hypothetical reasons?

If my story is made up, you'd never know.

However, you do know that my story certainly contains elements of truth because people's wives get raped all the time. And there are countless times when women have used a firearm to shoot an assaulter.

[Reaganista]

Nope. I shot him.
i rest my case

also

there's a guy who was trying to rape your wife who you shot and you're posting on mx????!

[siva_chair]

i rest my case

No one got murdered.


also

there's a guy who was trying to rape your wife who you shot and you're posting on mx????!

Sure why not?

[1338 h4x0r]

During the Middle Ages, people used to pour burning oil on other people. True fact.

46 parts polystyrene
33 parts gasoline
21 parts benzene

How little times have changed

It's no longer the Middle Ages. True fact.

The fundamental purpose of a gun, from an engineering standpoint, is to kill things?

[ ] yes
[ ] no

[Reaganista]

Sure why not?
well if he's alive you have to try to save him or else youre a murderer and if hes dead you have all sorts of other legal obligations and youll likely be facing murder charges even if you dont get convicted so overall i would say posting on mx is highly inadvisable at this time????!

[Der Übermensch]

Obviously... what's your point?

[Reaganista]

Obviously... what's your point?

point is he shouldnt be posting on mx he just shot someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[siva_chair]

The fundamental purpose of a gun, from an engineering standpoint, is to kill things?

[ ] yes
[ ] no

I don't even see why that matters. 1) You seem to be assuming that all killing is unjust and 2) the answer is no.

The fundamental purpose of a gun, from and engineering standpoint, is to fire a projectile. Just like the fundamental purpose of a knife, from and engineering stanpoint, is to act as a fine wedge specifically for cutting purposes.

[siva_chair]

point is he shouldnt be posting on mx he just shot someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't take legal advice from internet trolls.

Besides, I didn't specify when this incident occurred. It could have taken place a month ago.