PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Smokey D]

It's closer to the same type of grammar; namely, synthetic grammar, which relies heavily on inflection.

But that doesn't mean German has the same verbs as Latin or something.

Yeah that's what I meant.

For centuries you weren't considered educated if you didn't know Latin.

That's always irritated me.

Given that the vast majority of scholarly material was written in Latin, it was kind of fair.

The Greeks were a more intellectual society in general.

In terms of philosophy and stuff yeah but the Romans had pretty big ideas only touched on by the Greeks.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm not so sure why Latin is even offered in schools/colleges outside of linguistic/english/History majors. The Latin classes at my college are PACKED with like, veterinarians and auto guys.

[guitrguy]

I guess I'm drawn to languages that have interesting grammatical writing styles.

I've heard/read about some foreign artists saying that it was easier for them to write in English instead of their native language.

[Iskandar]

Latin always struck me as dull. Very dull. The vocabulary is easy, but the grammar seemed ridiculously complicated.
Given that the vast majority of scholarly material was written in Latin, it was kind of fair.I mean after Latin has passed out of common use. Think post-Enlightenment. Latin was considered the mark of a educated man (and ancient Greek too) but they were useless save for reading classics (which they still are).

[gregulus]

Sindarin is the ultimate language....




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I'm serious.

[Mr. Ron]

Sindarin is the ultimate language....




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I'm serious.

Tancave!





But seriously: http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/sindarin.htm

[Iskandar]

Mae govannen.

That's all I've got.

[guitrguy]

I find German to be grammatically straight forward.

[Mr. Ron]

Elvish looks so badass, too.

[Iskandar]

It would have been nice if Tolkien had developed it more and turned it into a more speakable language.

[Mr. Ron]

I find German to be grammatically straight forward.

I just like massive compound words.

[Iscariot]

people who speak imaginary languages like elvish should probably just kill themselves

[Mr. Ron]

It would have been nice if Tolkien had developed it more and turned it into a more speakable language.

My massive inner nerd nods in agreeance.


people who speak imaginary languages like elvish should probably just kill themselves

Dôl lost lîn!

[Smokey D]

people who speak imaginary languages like elvish should probably just kill themselves

Oh god yes. There's nothing more retarded than learning a fake language.

[guitrguy]

In terms of philosophy and stuff yeah but the Romans had pretty big ideas only touched on by the Greeks.

I meant in a cultural sense.

[Mr. Ron]

Smokey, I'm a LvL. 10 High mage, don't make me get all arcane on you.

[guitrguy]

I just like massive compound words.

Thats german

[Mr. Ron]

Thats german

I know. :chug:

[Smokey D]

Smokey, I'm a LvL. 10 High mage, don't make me get all arcane on you.

Arcane more like acne.


I meant in a cultural sense.

In philosophy and stuff, yeah but the Romans were into their laws and their epics and such too.

[Mr. Ron]

Arcane more like acne.



In philosophy and stuff, yeah but the Romans were into their laws and their epics and such too.

I have a very clear complexion. :(

[Smokey D]

No level 10 wizard has a clear complexion, what are you talking about.

[Smokey D]

Liturgical and fake are completely different.

[Iskandar]

Liturgical and fake are completely different.Not really. Neither gets much use outside of the purpose they're intended for.

[Iscariot]

Not really. Neither gets much use outside of the purpose they're intended for.

they're both retarded but at least that dead language at one point served a purpose where as fake languages are absolutely useless in any setting

[Mr. Ron]

No level 10 wizard has a clear complexion, what are you talking about.

Bro, you saw gandalf's face in the movies. That guy clearly moisturized, and he was at least a Lvl. 15 wiz.

[Iskandar]

Dude, Gandalf is way more experienced than that. At least lvl. 70.

[Smokey D]

A liturgical language is part of a religion.

A fake language is something some guy made up to use in his book.

Pretty big difference.

And if you're going to expend the energy required to learn a fake language you might as well learn something useful.

[Iskandar]

A liturgical language is part of a religion.

A fake language is something some guy made up to use in his book.

Pretty big difference.

And if you're going to expend the energy required to learn a fake language you might as well learn something useful.What about Esperanto? That has over a million speakers.

[Mr. Ron]

they're both retarded but at least that dead language at one point served a purpose where as fake languages are absolutely useless in any setting

Unless you want to pick up some fine geeky *** chicks. Think about it.


"Why yes, I do know a few dialects within Elvish. Whats that? You want to engage in a foursome with me that involves ranch dressing and a midget? I'm there"

[Iscariot]

any girl worth her salt doesn't need nerdy encouragement to participate in a foursome with a midget and a bucket of ranch

[Iskandar]

Unless you want to pick up some fine geeky *** chicks. Think about it.


"Why yes, I do know a few dialects within Elvish. Whats that? You want to engage in a foursome with me that involves ranch dressing and a midget? I'm there"'Noro lim, Asfaloth! Noro lim!"

[Mr. Ron]

any girl worth her salt doesn't need nerdy encouragement to participate in a foursome with a midget and a bucket of ranch

You mean worth her weight in Lambas bread.


'Noro lim, Asfaloth! Noro lim!"

\m/

[Iskandar]

Liv Tyler as Arwen. Epic.

[Smokey D]

What about Esperanto? That has over a million speakers.

I say Esperanto is pretty stupid because it doesn't fulfill any purpose not adequately serviced extant languages. But it's mildly less stupid than Sindarin or Klingon.

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Unless you want to pick up some fine geeky *** chicks. Think about it.

The only people I know who knew Elvish either ugly as sin or homeschooled. Neither appeals.

[Mr. Ron]

I think Smokey is calling us out Alex

[Iskandar]

I say Esperanto is pretty stupid because it doesn't fulfill any purpose not adequately serviced extant languages. But it's mildly less stupid than Sindarin or Klingon.No, but Lojban might, because it's supposed to be culturally neutral, which was always a failing of Esperanto.

But it's still proof that large numbers of people can learn a constructed language and use it.
The only people I know who knew Elvish either ugly as sin or homeschooled. Neither appeals.Nobody can actually speak Elvish fluently, it's impossible. Same with Klingon. Neither is fully developed enough to talk about anything other than Middle-Earth or spaceships.
I think Smokey is calling us out AlexWe'll see about that. He shall not pass!

[Chu]

Sort of relevant to the current topic: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/dn13672

[Mr. Ron]

No, but Lojban might, because it's supposed to be culturally neutral, which was always a failing of Esperanto.

But it's still proof that large numbers of people can learn a constructed language and use it.
Nobody can actually speak Elvish fluently, it's impossible. Same with Klingon. Neither is fully developed enough to talk about anything other than Middle-Earth or spaceships.
We'll see about that. He shall not pass!

Literally one of the best lines ever.

[Iskandar]

Literally one of the best lines ever.Fly, you fools.

[Smokey D]

No, but Lojban might, because it's supposed to be culturally neutral, which was always a failing of Esperanto.

Well maybe but I don't think there's any great cost speaking in cultural languages.

But it's still proof that large numbers of people can learn a constructed language and use it.

But not proof that it's not stupid.

Nobody can actually speak Elvish fluently, it's impossible. Same with Klingon. Neither is fully developed enough to talk about anything other than Middle-Earth or spaceships.
We'll see about that. He shall not pass!

Okay so they were butt ugly and boring conversationalists. Still not seeing the appeal.

[Iskandar]

But not proof that it's not stupid.If people use it, it's not stupid. It doesn't even really matter how many people do. Only a few thousand people speak Navajo, does that mean Navajo (and the entire culture associated with it) is worthless?
Okay so they were butt ugly and boring conversationalists. Still not seeing the appeal.There is no appeal, unless you happen to find grammar thrilling. I'm talking about auxilary languages. Languages which are meant to be spoken by people who have no other medium of communication. Klingon and the like aren't auxilary languages, they're created for artistic purposes.

[Smokey D]

If people use it, it's not stupid. It doesn't even really matter how many people do. Only a few thousand people speak Navajo, does that mean Navajo (and the entire culture associated with it) is worthless?

If people learn something with no practical purpose then it is stupid. Esperanto has no purpose. It has no culture, it's role as a global tongue is vastly surpassed by English. Conversely, Navajo has a great purpose as a vehicle for the culture of the Navajo people.

There is no appeal, unless you happen to find grammar thrilling. I'm talking about auxilary languages. Languages which are meant to be spoken by people who have no other medium of communication. Klingon and the like aren't auxilary languages, they're created for artistic purposes.

They are fake languages. Not only are they fake in that they were created artificially but they are fake in that they lack any purpose or culture. And they are insufficient for communication.

[Iskandar]

They are fake languages. Not only are they fake in that they were created artificially but they are fake in that they lack any purpose or culture.That's kind of the idea, that they're supposed to be a bridge between cultures rather than representing any one culture exclusively. This is something that English or any other natural language, useful thought they may be, cannot do.
And they are insufficient for communication.Not the most developed ones.

[dei]

I leave for a few hours and I miss a shitload of discussion on languages. :(

[Smokey D]

That's kind of the idea, that they're supposed to be a bridge between cultures rather than representing any one culture exclusively. This is something that English or any other natural language, useful thought they may be, cannot do.

I don't see any great cost in speaking in a cultural language.

Not the most developed ones.

I'm still talking about Klingon.

[Iskandar]

It's boiled down to me probing Smokey's irrational hatred of Esperanto, really.:p
I don't see any great cost in speaking in a cultural language.You're from the Anglosphere. What if your native language was, say, Wolof and you never had any opportunity to use it outside of your home country because everybody spoke English?

I'm still talking about Klingon.You are?! Jeez, I'm not. I think Klingon is interesting from a linguistic perspective, but it's not an international auxilary language. Never was intended to be. I'm talking about stuff like Interlingua.

[Mr. Ron]

Its quite simple: Smokey is a vicious closet racist.

[Iskandar]

I always knew he'd crack under the pressure of modship.

[Smokey D]

I don't have an irrational hatred of Esperanto. I just said it was stupid.

You're from the Anglosphere. What if your native language was, say, Wolof and you never had any opportunity to use it outside of your home country because everybody spoke English?

Then I'd learn English to participate in the wider world and use Wolof at home to further my culture.

You are?! Jeez, I'm not. I think Klingon is interesting from a linguistic perspective, but it's not an international auxilary language. Never was intended to be. I'm talking about stuff like Interlingua.

Quit changing what you're talking about.

[Iskandar]

Then I'd learn English to participate in the wider world and use Wolof at home to further my culture.Why should you have to adopt an alien culture's language to interact with others? Wouldn't it be better to have a medium that's neutral to both sides?
Quit changing what you're talking about.I was talking about constructed languages the whole time. Not specifically about Klingon.

[Smokey D]

Why should you have to adopt an alien culture's language to interact with others? Wouldn't it be better to have a medium that's neutral to both sides?

Not necessarily. There's nothing a priori good about neutrality of language.


I was talking about constructed languages the whole time. Not specifically about Klingon.

Well I was talking about fake languages used in literature.

[Iskandar]

Not necessarily. There's nothing a priori good about neutrality of language.Yes there is. Get out.
Well I was talking about fake languages used in literature.Those serve a purpose too.

[Smokey D]

Yes there is. Get out.

Explain.

Those serve a purpose too.

Only within the context of the book. There's no point learning them.

[Iskandar]

Explain.The use of English as the global lingua franca demonstrates the cultural dominance of Western civilization. Come on, this is basis stuff.
Only within the context of the book. There's no point learning them.No, not besides talking to fellow nerds.

[Smokey D]

The use of English as the global lingua franca demonstrates the cultural dominance of Western civilization. Come on, this is basis stuff.

Okay, show that's a problem.

Also, using Interligura or Esperanto does the same thing.

[Iskandar]

Okay, show that's a problem.I have a problem with cultural imperialism, and I bet a lot of people in the developing world do too.
Also, using Interlingua or Esperanto does the same thing.Yes, those are Eurocentric languages. But not all constructed languages are. Lojban uses English, French, Chinese, Arabic, Hindi and Russian as its sources and contributions are made by people all over the world. That's as neutral as it gets.

[Smokey D]

I have a problem with cultural imperialism, and I bet a lot of people in the developing world do too.

It's only culturally imperialist if it starts displacing local languages.


Yes, those are Eurocentric languages. But not all constructed languages are. Lojban uses English, French, Chinese, Arabic, Hindi and Russian as its sources and contributions are made by people all over the world. That's as neutral as it gets.

Except for people who aren't English, French, Chinese, Arabic Hindi or Russian.

[Iskandar]

It's only culturally imperialist if it starts displacing local languages.English has done that, many times. Almost every native language of North American is extinct or moribund, for example.
Except for people who aren't English, French, Chinese, Arabic Hindi or Russian.Virtually every language on earth has been influenced by at least one of these languages, and they all have hundreds of millions of native or second-language speakers. So no, not really.

[Smokey D]

Not because people speak it as an international language. What languages it displaced it did so because of colonialism and settlement.

Virtually every language on earth has been influenced by at least one of these languages, and they all have hundreds of millions of native or second-language speakers. So no, not really.

It misses at least 3 languages with populations in excess of 100 million. And still, if speaking English is culturally imperialistic then so is speaking an invented language. Speaking a constructed language does nothing to preserve the threatened ones. It merely replaces one predatory language for another. If we're going to expend the effort to learn random and stilted constructed languages we might as well learn the threatened languages themselves.

[Dr Hooch]

If we're going to expend the effort to learn random and stilted constructed languages we might as well learn the threatened languages themselves.

Ugh, i totally agree.

[Iscariot]

Ugh, i totally agree.

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[McP3000]

okay, i used to think Iskandar was just too leftist for my taste

now i think he's bat **** crazy.

[sweboy]

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k122/folkyeah/GUYamreica.jpg

[dei]

But fascism is good.

[McP3000]

fascism is best prepared in the oven

[Mr. Ron]

NO! Broiled!

[big80smullet]

Facism is best served raw

[Dave de Sylvia]

Fascism is best served with a side of musselinis.

Thank you, thank you.

[Iskandar]

okay, i used to think Iskandar was just too leftist for my taste

now i think he's bat **** crazy.why

[guitrguy]

If my woman doesn't prepare my fascism right, I hit her.

[Iskandar]

I still want to know why I'm batshit crazy.

If anything, I'm a lot less crazy than I used to be!

[Iscariot]

I still want to know why I'm batshit crazy.

If anything, I'm a lot less crazy than I used to be!

probably because you think it's better to invent new languages than the preserve endangered ones

you filthy commie

[Iskandar]

probably because you think it's better to invent new languages than the preserve endangered ones

you filthy commieWe can do both:):)

[Iscariot]

We can do both:):)

but that requires putting half the effort into something useless like learning a made up language when 100% of that effort could be put into preserving cultural and dying languages

[Iskandar]

but that requires putting half the effort into something useless like learning a made up language when 100% of that effort could be put into preserving cultural and dying languagesNo because some people can do one thing while some people do another.

Who's going to learn an endangered language besides the members of said endangered culture?

[Dave de Sylvia]

why bother learning any language we're all going to die anyway :angry:

[Iskandar]

why bother learning any language we're all going to die anyway :angry:so we can post on the internet

[Permanent Solution]

The answer is probably no because I'm an engineer, but would anyone be interested in having me post my thesis? =)

[Iscariot]

no ‪

[Dave de Sylvia]

no **** off vince and die

[guitrguy]

only if you do it in rainbow colors.

[Permanent Solution]

:(.

ih8uguys

[guitrguy]

post it in rainbow colors.

[Permanent Solution]

way too much effort.

[dei]

Lazy bum.

[Dr Hooch]

way too much effort.

just give me the abstract it's all anyone ever reads anyway

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnGCbZ503g&feature=bz301

[McP3000]

i saw that plan to kill the president thing on 4chan
(don't want to hear it, i know i know)

anyway, what a stupid uniformed child.

[dei]

Who wants to kill the president?

[clown_phobia]

some black kid on youtube

[McP3000]

that little dude's voice and persona is scary

i mean to act, think, and desire such things at such an age is quite frightening.

[dei]

It seems scripted.

[Dr Hooch]

He is not bullshitting you, guys!

[Der Übermensch]

So there was supposed to be a free concert on the mall today... Free Toots and the Maytals on 4/20!! and it is ****ing raining :(

[Knifeboy]

that little dude's voice and persona is scary

i mean to act, think, and desire such things at such an age is quite frightening.

What.
Are you really that daft that you think the kid is serious and not just craving attention

[clown_phobia]

Have you guys read any Noam Chomsky? what do you think?

[Mr. Ron]

I like him a lot.

[Knifeboy]

Hey Ron, did you ever get to visit the land of the might...Err.. Denmark?

[Mr. Ron]

Next year I'm going to stay there for two weeks with some freinds. We wanted to do it this summer but our working days conflicted.

[Amit]

i saw that plan to kill the president thing on 4chan
(don't want to hear it, i know i know)

anyway, what a stupid uniformed child.

what uniform was he wearing

silly mcp3000 that's his actual skin color not some darky uniform!

[Mr. Ron]

HOPEFULLY he was wearing a butler or bellhop uniform.

[Knifeboy]

Next year I'm going to stay there for two weeks with some freinds. We wanted to do it this summer but our working days conflicted.

What do you plan on doing/seeing when you get here?

[sweboy]

Mr. Ron, you must be warned; Denmark is full of Danes and Arabs and their english is not understandable. You have been warned.

[dei]

Sweboy, aren't you Dutch?

[Futue te Ipsum]

his name would imply sweden.

[Mr. Ron]

What do you plan on doing/seeing when you get here?

We sort of decided to do it next year in the middle of making plans, so we didn't get that involved in what we were going to do, but we had a few ideas: the viking museum, go to Copenhagen for the Den Lille Havfrue, Strøget (our gf's want to go there $$$$$), Christiansborg, go to the various pubs and so on. We're going to find out more detailed information on what to do in a few months.

[dei]

Go clubbing.

[Mr. Ron]

I don't think Denmark has many seals, Dei

[dei]

dei*

[Knifeboy]

We sort of decided to do it next year in the middle of making plans, so we didn't get that involved in what we were going to do, but we had a few ideas: the viking museum, go to Copenhagen for the Den Lille Havfrue, Strøget (our gf's want to go there $$$$$), Christiansborg, go to the various pubs and so on. We're going to find out more detailed information on what to do in a few months.

Remember to eat lots of candy, and drink lots of beer when you get here!

[McP3000]

what uniform was he wearing

silly mcp3000 that's his actual skin color not some darky uniform!
i meant uninformed

thank you for being so blunt :|

[ringworm]

CNN did a series of hypotheticals last night;
even if Hilary were to win several states she probably cant, and even if some of the ones she lost switched sides, the only way she could even catch up to Obama, little less take the lead, was for the superdelegates to give it to her.

[guitrguy]

yay that is good news.

[McP3000]

good news for the Republicans you mean

[guitrguy]

lol McCain. He really has little chance against Obama.

[ringworm]

watch the last 2 mins especially
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91MQyCNme4U

heres the full link for last fridays show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ8lqy2SqqQ&feature=related

[Hababi]

lol McCain. He really has little chance against Obama.

Maybe in Illinois, but the broader country is already starting to catch onto Barrack, "I love Weather Underground terrorists" Obama. A radical leftist with a racist hatemonger as a pastor and a terrorist as a friend isn't going to win.

[sweboy]

Barrack Obama is a radical leftist.

[guitarded_chuck]

Obama should be blacklisted/burned on the stake.

[siva_chair]

Ahh good ol' MX forums. Been a while.

Nice avatar guitarded chuck. Indeed Pens FTW '08.

[guitrguy]

Maybe in Illinois, but the broader country is already starting to catch onto Barrack, "I love Weather Underground terrorists" Obama. A radical leftist with a racist hatemonger as a pastor and a terrorist as a friend isn't going to win.

Actually believing that is probably why America sucks so bad.

[siva_chair]

Actually believing that is probably why America sucks so bad.

Except America doesn't suck.

[guitarded_chuck]

thanks man go pens :thumb:

American doesn't suck. Quite a few Americans do, though.

Whoever honestly thinks Obama is a radical leftist really needs to look at the big picture. He is a Liberal. Since when are Liberals radical or even really leftist?

PS wtf my avatar?

[Hababi]

Actually believing that is probably why America sucks so bad.

That would be...believing the truth.

The fact is that Jeremiah Wright is a racist hatemonger. The fact is that Bill Ayers is an unrepentent radical terrorist. And the fact is that Obama is close to both of them.

[siva_chair]

thanks man go pens :thumb:
:thumb:
American doesn't suck. Quite a few Americans do, though.

And quite a few Europeans, Africans, Australians, Asians, ect. suck too. I don't see what the point.

PS wtf my avatar?

Well before you changed it. Now it's just kinda....gayish.

[DBoons Ghost]

That would be...believing the truth.

The fact is that Jeremiah Wright is a racist hatemonger. The fact is that Bill Ayers is an unrepentent radical terrorist. And the fact is that Obama is close to both of them.

I am truly losing more and more respect for you every time you post some ignorant garbage like this.

Why not try keeping your idiocy to yourself?

[Hababi]

I am truly losing more and more respect for you every time you post some ignorant garbage like this.

Why not try keeping your idiocy to yourself?

Why do you object to facts?

[guitarded_chuck]

And quite a few Europeans, Africans, Australians, Asians, ect. suck too. I don't see what the point.



Well before you changed it. Now it's just kinda....gayish.

Never said they didn't. Don't take that comment personally.

I didn't change it a mod did. u dont like? :(

[Smokey D]

Because you're pulling a Bill O Reily. I can't tell if it's trolling or if you actually believe it but either way it's bad.

[guitarded_chuck]

Why do you object to facts?

Define: radical leftist

[guitrguy]

That would be...believing the truth.

The fact is that Jeremiah Wright is a racist hatemonger. The fact is that Bill Ayers is an unrepentent radical terrorist. And the fact is that Obama is close to both of them.

Do you honestly wonder why people call bullshit when you claim to be moderate?

Last time I checked we aren't voting for those men, and only an idiot would think association with them automatically equals similar ideals.

[Hababi]

Because you're pulling a Bill O Reily.

How?

[Hababi]

Do you honestly wonder why people call bullshit when you claim to be moderate?

You're not proving any point...

[sweboy]

It is a fact that Barrack Obama is a radical leftist.

[guitarded_chuck]

Because you're pulling a Bill O Reily. I can't tell if it's trolling or if you actually believe it but either way it's bad.

Talking to me?

[Smokey D]

You present so called facts without context or nuance and then layer on your ideological bias and petty insults.

[guitarded_chuck]

smokey i want my pens avatar back

/whinewhinewhine and all that :(

[Hababi]

You present so called facts without context or nuance and then layer on your ideological bias and petty insults.

There's no context that excuses having a racist hatemonger as a personal spiritual adviser, nor is there in keeping a radical, unreprentent terrorist as a personal friend and associate. Nor is there in getting sweetheart land deals in a sleazy real estate developer (Rezko)

[guitrguy]

You're not proving any point...

Your ramblings don't have a point, other than spewing biased rhetoric.

[guitarded_chuck]

Define: radical leftist

Please do.

[Hababi]

Your ramblings don't have a point, other than spewing biased rhetoric.

It's not biased. The only place you can honestly allege bias is with Obama being a radical leftist. The Wright and Ayers statements are objective facts.

[Mr. Ron]

That would be...believing the truth.

The fact is that Jeremiah Wright is a racist hatemonger. The fact is that Bill Ayers is an unrepentent radical terrorist. And the fact is that Obama is close to both of them.

Um name me one politician who hasn't had shady bed fellows Steve

[DBoons Ghost]

Why do you object to facts?

They aren't facts.

What is fact to you is not fact to anyone else.

Obama is not his pastor nor anyone else he might be tied to in the media. He is his own man. It doesn't matter what you affiliate him with to satisfy you own racist contempt.

I refuse to reply with McCain garbage every time you post Obama garbage. There are plenty of ties to McCain's own skewered past and present. But to what end to go back and forth with the lies and propaganda?

It goes beyond agreeing to disagree. You're spewing outright propaganda in hopes that anyone will listen. Maybe it's a defense mechanism because you know McCain is just as dirty, even though he really isn't. John McCain is being judged on his own merits that go beyond his associations. Barack Obama deserves the same as does Hilary Clinton.

I will respect and accept any of the three. You on the other hand, will not. That's a problem.

[siva_chair]

Never said they didn't. Don't take that comment personally.

I take very few things personally.

I didn't change it a mod did. u dont like? :(

Well those fascists.

I just liked the Pens one better is all.

[Smokey D]

smokey i want my pens avatar back

/whinewhinewhine and all that :(

I didn't change it. But I'll see what I can do.

It's not biased. The only place you can honestly allege bias is with Obama being a radical leftist. The Wright and Ayers statements are objective facts.

No the bias occurs in how you present your information.

[Mr. Ron]

It's not biased. The only place you can honestly allege bias is with Obama being a radical leftist. The Wright and Ayers statements are objective facts.

Steve, do you even know what a radical leftist even is?

[Hababi]

Um name me one politician who hasn't had shady bed fellows Steve

That's why I make less of a deal out of Rezko than Wright and Ayers. Yes, every politician has shady characters in their past. Not every politician seeks out and develops a close long term relationship with a racist hatemonger, or keeps an unrepentent terrorist as a personal friend.

[Iskandar]

Whoever honestly thinks Obama is a radical leftist really needs to look at the big picture. He is a Liberal. Since when are Liberals radical or even really leftist?:)

Define: radical leftistLike anarcho-communists and stuff.

Idk. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Left

[guitarded_chuck]

Serenity man

Define: radical leftist

[Hababi]

Obama is not his pastor nor anyone else he might be tied to in the media. He is his own man.

Yes and he his own man chose to seek out and associate with, take his children to be guided by, and take on as a personal spiritual adviser a man who is basically Louis Farakhan with a cross instead of a crescent.

And then there's Bill Ayers, the unrepentent terrorist.


It doesn't matter what you affiliate him with to satisfy you own racist contempt.

I'll remind you that I'll in all likelyhood be studying African history in grad school ;) I'd love for Michael Steele to be president. But not Barrack Obama. And it has absolutely nothing to do with race.


Barack Obama deserves the same as does Hilary Clinton.

If John McCain was friends with an unrepentent terrorist and advised by a racist hatemonger then I could understand this.

Keep in mind too that I've raised plenty of policy related issues with Obama. His health care plan is a less effective version of Hillary's. He wants to raise capital gains tax rates. He has bad ideas.

He also has bad people as close friends.

Oh and his wife hates America.


I will respect and accept any of the three. You on the other hand, will not. That's a problem.

I used to respect Obama. Then I found out more about him. Go back to earlier in the campaign. I had plenty of good stuff to say about Obama. But then he changed. Now he's a typical pol, only with a particularly bad set of friends and advisers.

[siva_chair]

If you ask me, none of the three top contenders for president should be in the White House.

Particularly not Hitlery "The Cyborg" Clintron.

[Hababi]

If you ask me, none of the three top contenders for president should be in the White House.

Particularly not Hitlery "The Cyborg" Clintron.

In some ways I prefer Hillary to Obama. Her health care plan is more effective and she's taken a stronger line on China.

[guitrguy]

It's not biased. The only place you can honestly allege bias is with Obama being a radical leftist. The Wright and Ayers statements are objective facts.

now you're being stupid on purpose.


Edit: This has to be the best avatar ever.

[Iskandar]

Serenity man

Define: radical leftistHe's not going to answer because he knows he's wrong and to him anybody who's not Mussolini is a communist.

[guitarded_chuck]

You're right. If you cannot define radical leftist than you cannot call anyone as such. And you know you can't define it because you know Obama would not come near to fitting that definition.

You need a basic lesson on the political spectrum my friend.

[siva_chair]

In some ways I prefer Hillary to Obama. Her health care plan is more effective and she's taken a stronger line on China.

Yeah but she is an evil bitch that will have people killed for her own political gain. It's all right here man:

http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/clintbodycnt.html

Plus she wants to ban guns and anything that resembles fun.

[Hababi]

now you're being stupid on purpose.

You're refusing to deal with Wright and Ayers.

He's not going to answer because he knows he's wrong and to him anybody who's not Mussolini is a communist.

Actually I wasn't entirely serious with Obama being a radical leftist, though he is to the left of the American center, and also to the left of the Democrat party.

[guitarded_chuck]

Actually I wasn't entirely serious with Obama being a radical leftist, though he is to the left of the American center, and also to the left of the Democrat party.

Then keep your comments to yourself you c00ld00d you

[Hababi]

Then keep your comments to yourself you c00ld00d you

Will you ever actually deal with Wright and Ayers?

[guitrguy]

You're refusing to deal with Wright and Ayers.

I refuse to be a generalizing dolt based merely on association. You know exactly what you are saying, how much of spin game you are playing.

Do you automatically stop being friends with someone just because of their personal convictions? Most rational people don't.

[Iskandar]

I wasn't entirely serious with Obama being a radical leftist, though he is to the left of the American center, and also to the left of the Democrat party.That's kind of sad.

[guitarded_chuck]

Do you automatically stop being friends with someone just because of their personal convictions? Most rational people don't.

As he said.

And as was also said, Obama is his own man.

[Hababi]

I refuse to be a generalizing dolt based merely on association. You know exactly what you are saying, how much of spin game you are playing.


:lol: That's ridiculous. If a Republican was found to be associated with a racist you'd be all over him or her. It's time you hold your side to the same standard.

Bill Ayers is an unrepentent terrorist. He says that he only wishes that he'd done more bombing. He is Barrack Obama's friend.

I wouldn't be friends with a terrorist. Would you?

Would you have a racist hatemonger as a spiritual adviser and pastor for your children? I wouldn't. And it would speak poorly of you if you would.

[DBoons Ghost]

Will you ever actually deal with Wright and Ayers?

We have repeated on countless occasions the same thing, and you come back with the same thing.

You're hopeless.

Let me ask you just for the sake of humor, and to make you type even though you're obviously enjoying yourself.

What would it take for you (as if you matter) to get over Wright and Ayers?

Also, I'd like for you to explain to me why Ayers making a campaign contribution to Obama's campaign would suddenly cause you to now think Obama is in love with Ayers?

[Hababi]

What would it take for you (as if you matter) to get over Wright and Ayers?

Nothing. Because associating with a terrorist, and taking your children to a pastor who is a racist hatemonger shows incredibly poor judgment, and anyone who'd do such things is unfit to be president.


Also, I'd like for you to explain to me why Ayers making a campaign contribution to Obama's campaign would suddenly cause you to now think Obama is in love with Ayers?

Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Obama. They served on a board together. They are neighbors and friends.

[Mr. Ron]

That's why I make less of a deal out of Rezko than Wright and Ayers. Yes, every politician has shady characters in their past. Not every politician seeks out and develops a close long term relationship with a racist hatemonger, or keeps an unrepentent terrorist as a personal friend.

yeah, you don't understand his views if you think this.

I'm not so sure on the personal freind thing, didn't he just serve on a board with him?

[Smokey D]

Obama is a white supremacist: From a security perspective, each election cycle brings huge challenges. The task of protecting presidential candidates has become ever larger and longer as campaigns and primary elections have been pushed ever earlier. In fact, when Obama received U.S. Secret Service (USSS) protection in May 2007, he made history by being the candidate to receive USSS protection the earliest. Much of the rationale behind the decision to provide Obama with protection so early was based on the conventional wisdom that radical white racists would seek to harm him. A review of several radical white racist Web sites, however, shows that many radical white racists would prefer that Obama be elected, rather than Clinton or Republican candidate John McCain, both of whom they consider to be controlled by Jewish interest groups.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/u_s_election_season_security_challenges_and_conven tional_wisdom

[guitrguy]

:lol: That's ridiculous. If a Republican was found to be associated with a racist you'd be all over him or her. It's time you hold your side to the same standard.
I would already be over them for their flawed ideals, being associated with a racist is a moot point when their ideals are enough to vote against them.
Bill Ayers is an unrepentent terrorist. He says that he only wishes that he'd done more bombing. He is Barrack Obama's friend.ok. Thats says nothing about Obama's ideals.

I wouldn't be friends with a terrorist. Would you?I think that would depend on whether or not they actually are a terrorist.

Would you have a racist hatemonger as a spiritual adviser and pastor for your children? I wouldn't. And it would speak poorly of you if you would.

I wouldn't have a spiritual leader at all. I also believe those statements were made after the pastor left the church.

[Mr. Ron]

Dear sweet christ in a birch bark canoe Steve, stop using FOX news buzz words.

[Hababi]

yeah, you don't understand his views if you think this.

actually you must not know the basics of Black Liberation Theology. Read Joseph Cone. He said that God must be for black people, against white people. That's Jeremiah Wright's ideology, he's even said so himself. That's what caused him to spew forth AIDS conspiracy theories, idiotic statements about the US being controlled by the KKK, and telling blacks who kill blacks "you're fighting the wrong enemy."

That's called racism and hatemongering. Stop defending it.


I think that would depend on whether or not they actually are a terrorist.


Ayers actually was a terrorist. I would never be his friend. I would never be his associate. I would never have him host a fundraiser for me. And I would never vote for a politician who would.


I also believe those statements were made after the pastor left the church.


They weren't. They were made through the years of his disgusting tenure as pastor of a hate church.

[Mr. Ron]

I've read interviews with Wright. He said many times that he does not agree with the blatant racial overtones of many black liberation followers, and its ideologies. He sees black liberation as noticing that black people are subjects in history, not objects.

[guitrguy]

Ayers actually was a terrorist. I would never be his friend. I would never be his associate. I would never have him host a fundraiser for me. And I would never vote for a politician who would.
Can you link me with objective info on ayer?


They weren't. They were made through the years of his disgusting tenure as pastor of a hate church.

I suppose thats why Obama's espouses hate mongering and racism.

[Hababi]

I've read interviews with Wright. He said many times that he does not agree with the blatant racial overtones of many black liberation followers, and its ideologies. He sees black liberation as noticing that black people are subjects in history, not objects.

He engages in doubletalk then. The statements I outlined above show clearly that he is a racist and a hatemonger.

[DBoons Ghost]

Nothing. Because associating with a terrorist, and taking your children to a pastor who is a racist hatemonger shows incredibly poor judgment, and anyone who'd do such things is unfit to be president.

If that is your stance, I am sure you've read as much as you can about Bill Ayers, his past, his crusade against poverty and his service to the city of Chicago. If you have done your homework and are not being a good little sheep to FOX news, then I tip my hat and walk away from this.

I remind you to be careful judging people on their merits. McCain has made poor decisions as well, and if you're playing judge to one side, you surely must account for all ends.

You seem to be unable to do that. You may spread propaganda all you want, but your opinion is no more important then anyone elses. Just don't be a fricken sheep.

[Mr. Ron]

He engages in doubletalk then. The statements I outlined above show clearly that he is a racist and a hatemonger.
No you just outlined some views that the ideology holds, he doesn't follow all of them.


Its also Ironic that you label someone a hate monger, seeing as how you view Palestine. :amaze:

[siva_chair]

Guys the important thing is that Hitlery doesn't get into office.

It might just be me, but there is something strangely disturbing about our line of presidents being Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clintron.

Now I'm probably going to be mysteriously killed for posting this.

[Hababi]

If that is your stance, I am sure you've read as much as you can about Bill Ayers, his past, his crusade against poverty and his service to the city of Chicago. If you have done your homework and are not being a good little sheep to FOX news, then I tip my hat and walk away from this.

Hitler reduced poverty and inflation in Germany...

He also kinda killed a lot of people.

Ayers killed people and is unrepentent about it. An unrepentent terrorist as a friend...


No you just outlined some views that the ideology holds, he doesn't follow all of them.


Ummmm "Govt created AIDS as genocide against blacks"

Yeah he doesn't share the racist views of Joseph Cone :rolleyes:

If a white person said 1/10th of the stuff that Wright said he would be, and justifiably so, labeled a racist and marginalized. Wright deserves the same.

[DBoons Ghost]

You've become a total handjob to compare Ayers to Hitler.

President Clinton pardoned them all. Say nothing of that eh?

I don't care how this election pans out, but you're a ****ing belligerent turd, and I really want nothing more of you.

[Smokey D]

Lots of Republican spiritual advisers have said similar things to Wright if you replace white person with gay.

[guitarded_chuck]

Like I say to this guy continuously, he might as well quit his bitching because it is now highly, highly likely Obama is going to be President within a few months.

[Hababi]

You've become a total handjob to compare Ayers to Hitler.

Both crossed a basic line of humanity and decided to murder innocent people in their own countries to accomplish a political goal. Ayers is a despicable person.

President Clinton pardoned them all. Say nothing of that eh?


That simply speaks poorly of him. There were several terrible pardons that he issued.


Like I say to this guy continuously, he might as well quit his bitching because it is now highly, highly likely Obama is going to be President within a few months.


It's really not. Check the electoral math. Where's Obama going to win? He does terrible in Ohio and Florida. He'll have to fight very hard to keep PA and Michigan. He might lose New Hampshire. He won't make inroads in the west.

In short: he's screwed.


Lots of Republican spiritual advisers have said similar things to Wright if you replace white person with gay.


"Gays created AIDS as genocide against blacks"
"USofGAYGAYAYA"

[Hababi]

Oh btw Smokey, forget Republicans. Another one of Obama's close friends, James Meeks, has a creepy history of extremely anti gay and anti Jewish remarks.

Case in point:
"The Hollywood Jew brought us Brokeback Mountain"

[Futue te Ipsum]

you godwin'd his ***

[Knifeboy]

Why did people stop calling Steve Fox News? It fit so well

[guitrguy]

I love this. Fox News is being Fox News

also:

In 2001, Ayers published Fugitive Days: A Memoir. Much of the controversy about him is connected with his interview with the New York Times about his book was published, by historical coincidence, on September 11, 2001,[4] and opens with his statements, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." When asked he would "do it all again," Ayers replied, "I don't want to discount the possibility."[3] Ayers wrote a Letter to the Editor of the New York Times on September 15, describing the interview as: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[5] He has explained multiple times that by "no regrets" he meant that he didn't regret his efforts to oppose the Vietnam War, and that "we didn't do enough" meant that efforts to stop the war were obviously inadequate as it dragged on for a decade; the two statements were not intended to elide into a wish they had set more bombs.[6][7] The interview also mentions what he wrote in his book regarding Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film Underground, about the Weathermen: "[Ayres] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism."[3]

[guitarded_chuck]

Better name than Serenity. That movie was terrible.

[McP3000]

The O'reilly factor is on Fox News from 6 to 7 every Wednesday and Thursday...if he finishes his school work

[Knifeboy]

Better name than Serenity. That movie was terrible.


*shakes fist at you*

The only excuse for that statement is if you haven't watched the series that preluded the movie..

[Hababi]

you godwin'd his ***
With pleasure
Why did people stop calling Steve Fox News? It fit so well

Because Fox News is always wrong

[Iskandar]

Not God bless America, God damn America

[spitfirejunky]

Lots of Republican spiritual advisers have said similar things to Wright if you replace white person with gay.

Or white person with black person. Well, not spiritual advisors.

[Hababi]

Or white person with black person. Well, not spiritual advisors.

Liberals made a huge deal out of the fact that the Mormon church didn't allow blacks into the priesthood till about 30 years ago. 30 years. That somehow was Romney's fault. Meanwhile, the church that Obama didn't grow up in but rather actively sought out claimed that 'white america' created AIDS to commit genocide against blacks, and there is silence.

[guitarded_chuck]

*shakes fist at you*

The only excuse for that statement is if you haven't watched the series that preluded the movie..

I didn't, no.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Liberals made a huge deal out of the fact that the Mormon church didn't allow blacks into the priesthood till about 30 years ago.
I'm pretty sure this was never a big issue.

[Hababi]

I'm pretty sure this was never a big issue.

It was big enough that he had to give a speech about it.

[Smokey D]

Wasn't Romney's 'I'm different to you but still vote for me please' an epic fail compared to Obamas?

[Dave de Sylvia]

It was big enough that he had to give a speech about it.
To liberals?

[Hababi]

Wasn't Romney's 'I'm different to you but still vote for me please' an epic fail compared to Obamas?

Well yeah because Romney has all the personal aloofness of Obama without any of the big speechgiving ability. Obama=class president; Romney=class treasurer.

[Dr Hooch]

Why do you object to facts?

calling the favourite to win the next election in america a "radical" just because you don't like him shows profound ignorance and definately is not a fact.


Lots of Republican spiritual advisers have said similar things to Wright if you replace white person with gay.

gays aren't people smokey do try to keep up

[Hababi]

calling the favourite to win the next election in america a "radical" just because you don't like him shows profound ignorance and definately is not a fact.


I was more concentrating on the racist hatemonger and unrepentent terrorist who are quite tight with him.

[siva_chair]

Not God bless America, God damn America

Hey, Fred Phelps says that too.

[guitrguy]

In 2001, Ayers published Fugitive Days: A Memoir. Much of the controversy about him is connected with his interview with the New York Times about his book was published, by historical coincidence, on September 11, 2001,[4] and opens with his statements, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." When asked he would "do it all again," Ayers replied, "I don't want to discount the possibility."[3] Ayers wrote a Letter to the Editor of the New York Times on September 15, describing the interview as: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[5] He has explained multiple times that by "no regrets" he meant that he didn't regret his efforts to oppose the Vietnam War, and that "we didn't do enough" meant that efforts to stop the war were obviously inadequate as it dragged on for a decade; the two statements were not intended to elide into a wish they had set more bombs.[6][7] The interview also mentions what he wrote in his book regarding Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film Underground, about the Weathermen: "[Ayres] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism."[3]


this obviously needs a repost.

[Hababi]

Hahaha he didn't regret his "efforts to oppose the Vietnam war"

HIS EFFORTS WERE BOMBING BUILDINGS AND KILLING PEOPLE

Ayers was a terrorist, and is unapologetic about it. He went on the run after a bomb that they were intending to set at a soldiers dance event blew up in the bombmaker's apartment (good riddance). He is a radical terrorist and Obama supporters need to stop defending him.

[Smokey D]

How many people did John McCain kill in the 70s?

It's a curious thing that if you kill people for something you believe in, you're a terrorist but if you kill people because your government told you to you're a hero.

[Hababi]

How many people did John McCain kill in the 70s?

It's a curious thing that if you kill people for something you believe in, you're a terrorist but if you kill people because your government told you to you're a hero.

McCain was fighting a real war, targeting enemy troops, compounds etc.
Now you know very well that a real war is in no way equatable with a domestic terrorist organization.

[Smokey D]

There's no more proof Ayers killed any more civilians than McCain.

[Dr Hooch]

McCain was fighting a real war, targeting enemy troops, compounds etc.
Now you know very well that a real war is in no way equatable with a domestic terrorist organization.

enemy compounds were the villages they hid their weapons in against the will of the people

enemy troops were the confused youth trying to get these foreign aggressors, who destroyed their homeland with napalm and killed their brothers, OUT. What if it was your country?

The vietnam was overtly morally ambiguous.

[dei]

Why do you guys even try to argue with Serenity? It's a waste of time.

[siva_chair]

enemy compounds were the villages they hid their weapons in against the will of the people

enemy troops were the confused youth trying to get these foreign aggressors, who destroyed their homeland with napalm and killed their brothers, OUT. What if it was your country?

The vietnam was overtly morally ambiguous.

Have you ever spoken to a South Vietnamese refugee that was there?

I have (I work with many of them, actually), and they certainly didn't have anything nice to say about the Communists.....(one lady actually said she wished the US would have stayed longer to drive them out. She said that Ho Chi Minh was "a devil.").

[Dave de Sylvia]

I think the US pretty much cemented the commie regime tbh

[siva_chair]

I think the US pretty much cemented the commie regime tbh

We certainly didn't help like we wanted to.

I just thought it was interesting that this lady preferred the American bombs to the Communist gulags.

She would know, because she experienced both. She actually escaped from the first one but then got discovered and sent to another one. Then she got smuggled out of that one to the US.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well I don't think America or France helped much of anything in Vietnam, and it's probably still the most ludicrously bad policy decision the US government has ever made.

[Dr Hooch]

Have you ever spoken to a South Vietnamese refugee that was there?

I have (I work with many of them, actually), and they certainly didn't have anything nice to say about the Communists.....(one lady actually said she wished the US would have stayed longer to drive them out. She said that Ho Chi Minh was "a devil.").

I made quite a point of not saying "the USA was definately wrong" and in fact said "morally ambiguous".

I was more concentrating on the racist hatemonger and unrepentent terrorist who are quite tight with him.

jesus was best friends with a tax man and a whore

did you learn nothing in sunday school steve

[guitrguy]

Hahaha he didn't regret his "efforts to oppose the Vietnam war"

HIS EFFORTS WERE BOMBING BUILDINGS AND KILLING PEOPLE

Ayers was a terrorist, and is unapologetic about it. He went on the run after a bomb that they were intending to set at a soldiers dance event blew up in the bombmaker's apartment (good riddance). He is a radical terrorist and Obama supporters need to stop defending him.

You are ridiculous

[Dave de Sylvia]

Jesus was friends with the man who sold out Jesus! Had he no morals?!

[Dr Hooch]

Jesus was friends with the man who sold out Jesus! Had he no morals?!

also seriously guys when did captain quantum conscious become such a materialistic bastard?

[siva_chair]

Well I don't think America or France helped much of anything in Vietnam, and it's probably still the most ludicrously bad policy decision the US government has ever made.

No argument there.

Jesus was friends with the man who sold out Jesus! Had he no morals?!

Yeah but Jesus was everybody's friend.

[siva_chair]

also seriously guys when did captain quantum conscious become such a materialistic bastard?

Since I am just going to go ahead and assume you are talking about me, I'm going to respond with "I didn't."

[Iskandar]

Yeah but Jesus was everybody's friend.Not the Romans'!

[Mr. Ron]

Hmmmm so in comparative religion today my professor suggested that in order for things to be intelligible, and intelligible things in general, need a sort of intelligence behind them.

yes? no?

[siva_chair]

Not the Romans'!

Sure he was! He called them his brothers! Amongst black people that is synonymous with friend.

[Iskandar]

Sure he was! He called them his brothers! Amongst black people that is synonymous with friend.Dude, how dare you suggest Our Saviour wasn't as white as virgin snow.

[Mr. Ron]

I ain't wurshippin' no coon ya'll hear?

[guitrguy]

Hmmmm so in comparative religion today my professor suggested that in order for things to be intelligible, and intelligible things in general, need a sort of intelligence behind them.

yes? no?

I hate the position because you would still need infinite regression for that to make sense.

[siva_chair]

Dude, how dare you suggest Our Saviour wasn't as white as virgin snow.

I don't think he was an albino, but I might be wrong.

I think he was every race. Like a rainbow, but not the gay kind.

Although the Body of Christ in Communion is represented by a cracker...

[Iskandar]

Jesus Was A Jew

[guitrguy]

No he was a Jewish.

[Knifeboy]

Yeah but Jesus was everybody's friend.


Just like Obama!

[Dr Hooch]

Since I am just going to go ahead and assume you are talking about me, I'm going to respond with "I didn't."

you act like it. :angry:


Although the Body of Christ in Communion is represented by a cracker...

:lol::lol::lol:

[YDtoad]

Smokey, it doesn't matter that Ayers might've killed less civilians than McCain. It matters what the motivation was. Ayers sought to kill civilians, noncombatants, in America, to achieve his goals. McCain was part of a misssion to defeat a horribly oppressive and murderous VietCong regime. Huge difference.

[siva_chair]

Just like Obama!

No he isn't a gun owner's friend.

you act like it. :angry:

Well I'm sorry you got that impression. Just because I believe the US's financial resources would be better spent at home than abroad doesn't mean that I am inherently materialistic (I am assuming this is where you are getting this impression).

:lol::lol::lol:

Well that's where I always thought white supremacists got the idea that Jesus was white....

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm addicted to getting lulz from this site www.fstdt.com

[Mr. Ron]

I detest liberalism/leftism. I feel utter, undiluted, undissembled contempt for liberals. Lazy, self-centered, self-indulgent buggers, every single one of them. They don't want to do anything for themselves. Not even think. They shun responsibility, blame anyone and anything else for their failures. They are slaves to their genitals and call that freedom. They are dangerous for any country they live in. They are the enemy within. And yes, they HATE this country. And don't anyone try to tell me any different. They hate America because she's rich, strong, and powerful. And liberals have been brainwashed into believing that is something to be ashamed of. They want to turn this great country into a pathetic, weak, inconsequential socialist hellhole, like so many European countries nowadays, including their idol, France. Liberals/leftists are the worst thing to have happened to mankind since the Black Death. They are even worse than the Black Death because the latter just killed everyone and put them out of their misery. Leftism grows like AIDS, rotting everything in its path. Leftism is without a doubt one of the worst scourges of mankind.

[Knifeboy]

including their idol, France.

Ahahahaha...

[Mr. Ron]

Gravity: Doesn't exist. If items of mass had any impact of others, then mountains should have people orbiting them. Or the space shuttle in space should have the astronauts orbiting it. Of course, that's just the tip of the gravity myth. Think about it. Scientists want us to believe that the sun has a gravitation pull strong enough to keep a planet like neptune or pluto in orbit, but then it's not strong enough to keep the moon in orbit? Why is that? What I believe is going on here is this: These objects in space have yet to receive mans touch, and thus have no sin to weigh them down. This isn't the case for earth, where we see the impact of transfered sin to material objects. The more sin, the heavier something is.

[Iskandar]

We have the right to life and no one person or group can take away the right to life, save in cases of capital punishment.

[sweboy]

Barack Obama is a radical leftist.

[Knifeboy]

I think I'm pretty much done with this forum now.. If anyone wants to keep in touch (for some odd reason :confused:) they can rep me (or post in this thread) their msn address and I'll add you to my msn messenger...

[Mr. Ron]

awww :(

[sweboy]

Knifeboy nooooooooooooooo!!

[ringworm]

i dont think pastor wrights comments can even begin to overshadow the atrocities, theft of taxpayer money and complete ignorance of the last 8 years

there are more haliburton employees in iraq than US soldiers, wonder why?

iraq is nothing but an excuse to rape our taxpayer dollar, accumulate more debt, and make bush's buddies more money

show me how a racist pastor can even begin to be more deplorable than the current admin, then show me how McCain will be any different if elected

[DBoons Ghost]

Knifeboy will be back.

If I had a 100 bucks for every time I stormed out of this forum I'd probably have like.. 500 bucks. Maybe 600.

[Knifeboy]

Well.. Obviously I'm gonna be back someday.. I'm too weak not to :p.. But my education is very project heavy (I'm studying IT stuff).. We're 7 months in and we're already programming something for a company.. And I'm getting to experience crunch time for the first time ever!.. Woohoo

Soo.. I better lay off the forum-crack for a year or so

[Dr Hooch]

Barack Obama is a radical leftist.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/moanerer/BREAKING-NEWS-sweboy-wins-internet-.jpg

[guitrguy]

Well.. Obviously I'm gonna be back someday.. I'm too weak not to :p.. But my education is very project heavy (I'm studying IT stuff).. We're 7 months in and we're already programming something for a company.. And I'm getting to experience crunch time for the first time ever!.. Woohoo

Soo.. I better lay off the forum-crack for a year or so

I shall keep you in my heart.

[guitarded_chuck]

I detest liberalism/leftism.
Two very different things. If you really think the Liberals want to turn the country socialist man you are truly misinformed. Have you heard of "middle ground"?

(if you weren't joking i dunno really)

[Hababi]

ron was joking

but it's quite a shame that y'all are excusing Bill Ayers' terrorism. The Weather Underground aspired to be mass murderers, and only failed because they were almost as pathetically inept as they were devious. They're a blight on American history and they should all be rotting in prison, tbh.

[Dave de Sylvia]

http://www.wunderground.com/

those murdering bastards

[guitrguy]

ron was joking

but it's quite a shame that y'all are excusing Bill Ayers' terrorism. The Weather Underground aspired to be mass murderers, and only failed because they were almost as pathetically inept as they were devious. They're a blight on American history and they should all be rotting in prison, tbh.

You can stop talking about it. You aren't going to change your position, and neither are we.

[guitarded_chuck]

Yeah I think that debate is over.