PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Tyr]

Most of the fallout drifted north, so Belarus probably got its fair share.

[RockAndRoll]

Yeah, pretty sure it did, when I was little we had some kid from belarus live with us for like a year.

[Dr Hooch]

but.., but... I want to live forever :upset:

i really don't think you've thought that one through

[guitrguy]

Yeah, pretty sure it did, when I was little we had some kid from belarus live with us for like a year.

Was he mutated?

[Knifeboy]

i really don't think you've thought that one through

Elaborate!

[McP3000]

i really don't think you've thought that one through
Actually, i wouldn't mind living twice as long as everyone else.
Like if i live about 160-170 years and aged at a slower pace.

I think it would be cool to be over a hundred years old tbqh

but yeah, id want to die

[RockAndRoll]

Was he mutated?

3 arms, 7 toes and a hippopotamus attached to his belly, just a regular foreigner.

[McP3000]

3 arms, 7 toes and a hippopotamus attached to his belly, just a regular foreigner.
Damn foreigners spoiling our gene pool.

[Dr Hooch]

Elaborate!

Everyone who hadn't had it would resent you

everyone that had would be sick of you

life would be boring and empty whatever you did

you'd have to work for loads of it still and merely extend your middle year grind forever as you tried to pay for both living and extending life

you'd end up x times as uncool as all the old people now

[RockAndRoll]

Damn foreigners spoiling our gene pool.
I kno dey r diffrnt dats baaaaaaaaad!

[ringworm]

you'd end up x times as uncool as all the old people now
haha :)


think of the political aspects of having people trying to enforce moral values on people 200 years younger than them :)

[McP3000]

I kno dey r diffrnt dats baaaaaaaaad!
My children wont have those beautiful blonde locks and blue eyes. I DEMAND JUSTICE

[Knifeboy]

Everyone who hadn't had it would resent you

everyone that had would be sick of you

Surely people reproduce at such a rate, that there would always be someone new to talk to, and it's not like I'd wear a badge saying "hey I live forever"

life would be boring and empty whatever you did

I disagree, that's what art and science is for

you'd have to work for loads of it still and merely extend your middle year grind forever as you tried to pay for both living and extending life

If I earned 1 mill a year, I'd only have to work every five years :P

you'd end up x times as uncool as all the old people now

I'd be extremely cool in future roleplaying circles! I'd have the "ancient 21st century accent" down to a tee

[guitrguy]

3 arms, 7 toes and a hippopotamus attached to his belly, just a regular foreigner.

:chug: He looks just like me.

[RockAndRoll]

Surely people reproduce at such a rate, that there would always be someone new to talk to, and it's not like I'd wear a badge saying "hey I live forever"


I would.

[Knifeboy]

Well, for a couple of hundred years.. Yeah ok

[Hababi]

Yeah I expect to make like, 34-40 K a year when I teach highschool.

:(


Although I plan to take courses to teach in a college either as an adjunct or a full time.

do teachforamerica.

[Mr. Ron]

do teachforamerica.

????

[spitfirejunky]

They're like the Peace Corps for schools.

[Hababi]

They're like the Peace Corps for schools.

Yeah and the wages are actually pretty good. You teach in an underperforming school, but you make as much as $47K a year and they help you get a master's in education.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah and the wages are actually pretty good. You teach in an underperforming school, but you make as much as $47K a year and they help you get a master's in education.

Hmm, I'll look into that.

[CarnageFairy]

I would totally extend my life for a few hundred years, maybe even a millenium.

maybe

Of course I would want my middle adulthood to last the longest portion. I bet on my deathbed I'd be wishing I'd lived longer.

[Hababi]

I would totally extend my life for a few hundred years, maybe even a millenium.

maybe

Of course I would want my middle adulthood to last the longest portion. I bet on my deathbed I'd be wishing I'd lived longer.

Yeah, I too would love to live about 1000 years.

Oh and Chrono called me a "cocklover" in his neg rep comment...

[PerpetualBurn]

It's funny because you're a disgusting homophobe.

[Hababi]

It's funny because you're a disgusting homophobe.

except I'm not and he's the one making homophobic slurs so...

[PerpetualBurn]

Lol.

[Amit]

living forever would be ****ing awesome anyone who disagrees deserves the painful drawn out death they are surely going to get!

[Mr. Ron]

living forever would be ****ing awesome anyone who disagrees deserves the painful drawn out death they are surely going to get!

haha

[1338 h4x0r]

except I'm not and he's the one making homophobic slurs so...

He called me a 'faggot' when he negged me once, except that my rep is now over 80,000 regardless so he learned to knock that **** off.

You see, chronopops enjoys the social structure of America that favors heterosexuals. Simply by being straight, he discriminates against gay people.

[pedro durruti]

Living for 1000 years would suck because you'd see all your friends die twenty times

[J Rad]

living for 1000 years would suck because you'd spend 950 years wishing you could get a decent erection

[CarnageFairy]

Living for 1000 years would suck because you'd see all your friends die twenty times

I don't think it would bother me that much.

I probably wouldn't really bother with relationships after my first "lifetime", but rather simply dedicate myself to amassing a shitload of knowledge about everything.

plus you'd get to see the future, and that, my friend, is


ballin

[1338 h4x0r]

living for 1000 years would suck because you'd spend 950 years wishing you could get a decent erection

Reminds me of the Greek fable about the goddess who wanted her mortal lover to live forever

She got her wish but didn't say anything about aging

Poor guy eventually became so hunched he turned into a grasshopper

[thedeadwalk!]

I saw something on the Science Channel that people don't age indefinitely, that, at a certain point, your body will stop decaying from age (until you're dead). Of course, this process is different in everyone. That's why some are more mobile than others at the same age.

[CarnageFairy]

the greeks were weird as hell man

[pedro durruti]

They have a good view on evolution though haha
plus you'd get to see the future, and that, my friend, is


ballin
Yeah man the future is badass. Although it'd be better and easier to just have an afterlife

[1338 h4x0r]

It's 3:33

I'm listening to Gjennom skogen til blåfjellene by Isengard

The Cosby Show is on

My penis is perfectly flaccid atm

Am I awesome or what?

[pedro durruti]

You wouldn't be flaccid if you were listening to hippie music I can tell you that!

seriously you should listen to this band from philly who sounds like an acidhouse
http://www.myspace.com/wearemanman
they are madmans.

[big80smullet]

He called me a 'large bundle of sticks' when he negged me once, except that my rep is getting close to 80,000 regardless so he learned to knock that **** off.

You see, chronopops enjoys the social structure of America that favors heterosexuals. Simply by being straight, he discriminates against gay people.

CHronopops used to be cool. then he started to think he is funny. i should ream him with my neg dick

lol 80k n00b

[1338 h4x0r]

You wouldn't be flaccid if you were listening to hippie music I can tell you that!

seriously you should listen to this band from philly who sounds like an acidhouse
http://www.myspace.com/wearemanman
they are madmans.

I listened to them and my penis got softer

It's now the consistency of butter on a summer day afternoon

How is that possible

[pedro durruti]

Really, you didn't like it at all?

[1338 h4x0r]

Not at all

This pic explains adequately I think

http://i28.tinypic.com/2ry1101.png

[pedro durruti]

Your musical compatibility rating with xEpicFailGuyx is:
Very Low

You share a few artists in common, including Converge.

[big80smullet]

i added you brodude

[Knifeboy]

living forever would be ****ing awesome anyone who disagrees deserves the painful drawn out death they are surely going to get!

See, this guy knows what i'm talking about

[big80smullet]

i would like to live forever. i would make something epic like a really tall building or a big book

[Knifeboy]

I'd collect all my nail clippings in a giant pyramid

[totah]

I would rather decide when I die and how quickly I age. You gotta be careful when you make wishes.

Ie. Living forever. If ever means all of time ever, then surely you'd have to go back to the start, the big bang (or Odin's father's entrails being pulled out, whatever your kicks is) and wait it all out until it gets interesting, and then wait it all out until it stops being interesting and gets hellfirey. Mind you someone with fifty billion years' worth of experience with boredom would probably find something to do. If she's still alive.

EDIT: Who'd like to kiss Hank's arse? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp7pkEcJVQ

[DBoons Ghost]

I think it would be cool to live forever but as people in my life die, I would think I would like to join them rather then keep on living. One lifetime of memories is enough to ponder.

[big80smullet]

wisdom infinite, held tightly in my grasp
my sword one thousand battles strong
ageless i remain, beyond the reach of death
indebted by my soul

i have witnessed the birthing of your faith
the tribulations, the driving of the stake
so slowly this immortal coil unwinds
until the end -- the end of ****ing time

blood of the ancient one is burning through my veins
the blood of gods man's never known
i am the one who cannot die
i am the the killer for all time
seeds of infinite hate i've sown

i walk the earth enshrouded in its darkness
eclipsing, i claim the flesh of man
ageless i remain with vengeance on my breath
revolted by the meek

i have witnessed the birthing of your faith
the tribulations, the driving of the stake
so slowly this immortal coil unwinds
this crumbing world -- has become mine

see the creation of this world
see it all reduced to ash
in the blink of a sunken eye
i see one hundred winters pass
my blessing, my curse
perpetually i'm damned to earth
of a soul i am bereft
forever dying to be dead

slipping through centuries untouched by human love
void of the simple pleasures that human life provides
forever bound, i lie in wait, undying -- and insane

see the creation of this world
see it all reduced to ash
in the blink of a sunken eye
i see one hundred winters pass
my blessing, my curse
perpetually i'm damned to earth
of a soul i am bereft
forever dying to be dead!

[Hababi]

Living for 1000 years would suck because you'd see all your friends die twenty times

meh after the 10th or so time you'd probably get used to it.

[chronopops]

He called me a 'faggot' when he negged me once, except that my rep is now over 80,000 regardless so he learned to knock that **** off.

You see, chronopops enjoys the social structure of America that favors heterosexuals. Simply by being straight, he discriminates against gay people.

that's actually completely correct. kudos

[Against Miik!]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0

Chris Matthews completely pwn'd this guy. I have a feeling most Barack supporters would respond the exact same way.

[1338 h4x0r]

that's actually completely correct. kudos

You're a disgusting heterosexist, chronopops

BIGOT

[Against Miik!]

You just have to understand that homophobes are just insecure because they aren't gettin any. To make up for this, they make fun of gays. Although at least gays probably are gettin some.

[chronopops]

You're a disgusting heterosexist, chronopops

BIGOT

Ya, but so are you.

At least I can admit it.

[1338 h4x0r]

Ya, but so are you.

At least I can admit it.

lol

How am I bigoted against black people?

My roommate last year, whom I am still on good terms with, is from South Africa and I can even pronounce his family name correctly (Mhlongo).

He is in fact blacker than you

Hell, I'm probably blacker than you by this point

lol

You BIGOT

[chronopops]

lol

How am I bigoted against black people?

My roommate last year, whom I am still on good terms with, is from South Africa and I can even pronounce his family name correctly (Mhlongo).

He is in fact blacker than you

Hell, I'm probably blacker than you by this point

lol

You BIGOT

Because you take part in a society in which the dominant group oppresses them, and you're part of the group that oppresses them therefore: you're racist.

and ya, im pretty white, so he's prolly blacker than me.

[1338 h4x0r]

Because you take part in a society in which the dominant group oppresses them, and you're part of the group that oppresses them therefore: you're racist.

Uh...

What choice do I have?

[chronopops]

Uh...

What choice do I have?

none.

stop taking it as a personal accusation. that should make it easier to swallow.

[Amit]

so that makes you a racist too right

in that case, all of your views and reasoning are made completely invalid because you are just as much part of that dominant oppressor group as all the people you've been berating

lolo gotta love self righteous (and ironically racist) white people

thank you for presuming you know what's best for other cultures!

[1338 h4x0r]

lolo gotta love self righteous (and ironically racist) white people

thank you for presuming you know what's best for other cultures!

He strikes me as one of those mixed-race people who have really ****ed-up psychological issues about their heritage.

[chronopops]

so that makes you a racist too right

in that case, all of your views and reasoning are made completely invalid because you are just as much part of that dominant oppressor group as all the people you've been berating

lolo gotta love self righteous (and ironically racist) white people

thank you for presuming you know what's best for other cultures!

Yes i am racist.

no to the rest, that's a false conclusion.

[chronopops]

He strikes me as one of those mixed-race people who have really ****ed-up psychological issues about their heritage.

Nah. im like 75% norweigan and some other european ****.

[Amit]

no to the rest, that's a false conclusion.

how so

you invalidate other white people's views because they come from the same oppressor culture you are trying to attack

but the studies that your third-rate college's sociology class draws upon come from that very same oppressor culture as well

stop trying to apply emic values to an etic issue

[chronopops]

how so

you invalidate other white people's views because they come from the same oppressor culture you are trying to attack

but the studies that your third-rate college's sociology class draws upon come from that very same oppressor culture as well

stop trying to apply emic values to an etic issue

in order for my views to be invalid, then everyone elses must be, then.

is that so? no.

my views aren't invalidated because im part of the dominant culture. I realize my position, and can realize what i am allowed and what others are denied.

and uh, go take a sociology class or intro to multicultural studies class anywhere in the US you'll get the same information and concepts introduced. don't believe me? sign up for it next quarter.

[Amit]

in order for my views to be invalid, then everyone elses must be, then.

that's assuming that everyone here is white

oh wait

my views aren't invalidated because im part of the dominant culture. I realize my position, and can realize what i am allowed and what others are denied.

except by repeatedly attempting to make a huge overarching "realization" in what you're allowed and others aren't, your view is invalidated because you're operating on the same fundamental principles as the very people you're attacking

and uh, go take a sociology class or intro to multicultural studies class anywhere in the US you'll get the same information and concepts introduced. don't believe me? sign up for it next quarter.

i already have gg

how about you go travel around america and live as a poor non-white immigrant

hahahaha oh wait hahahahah

[chronopops]

that's assuming that everyone here is white
most are.

except by repeatedly attempting to make a huge overarching "realization" in what you're allowed and others aren't, your view is invalidated because you're operating on the same fundamental principles as the very people you're attacking

i never said others weren't allowed, they just refuse.

i already have gg

how about you go travel around america and live as a poor non-white immigrant

hahahaha oh wait hahahahah
Then why are you so stupid?

lol.

[Amit]

most are.

my views aren't invalid and they run completely contrary to yours

i never said others weren't allowed, they just refuse.

what are you talking about

you made the lofty claim that you know exactly what white people can do in this country and minorities can't do

and now you're backing out oh ok

Then why are you so stupid?
lol.

i'm not the one going to a third rate college with really awful sociology classes

hold on let me cry like you did and go AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM

but no please chronopops your point is completely invalid unless you live at least 10 years of your life as a poor minority in this country like i have

[guitrguy]

Jolly Time, or Orville Redenbacher's?

[chronopops]

my views aren't invalid and they run completely contrary to yours
What's your point? You choose to pretend racism isn't an issue because you're not white, and you're not poor?

ok.

what are you talking about

you made the lofty claim that you know exactly what white people can do in this country and minorities can't do

and now you're backing out oh ok

I didn't say that.

I stated privileges white people have that people of color generally don't.

you love extremes don't you? too bad i didn't use any.

i'm not the one going to a third rate college with really awful sociology classes

hold on let me cry like you did and go AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM

but no please chronopops your point is completely invalid unless you live at least 10 years of your life as a poor minority in this country like i have
what college do I go to amit? exactly. you don't know.

amit...if you took intro to multicultural studies I would liek to know what you learned about racism, sexism, heterosexism, and albeism..


firstly...what do you consider racism? how prevelant is it in this country? what are the causes? how can we change it? who is afflicted by it? who can be racist?

im really curious. please answer those questions.

[Amit]

What's your point? You choose to pretend racism isn't an issue because you're not white, and you're not poor?

racism is an issue

but it's not because of white people

I stated privileges white people have that people of color generally don't.

generally don't

oh wow your credibility's doing great

what college do I go to amit? exactly. you don't know.

i saw your facebook before but i forgot the name; it's not my fault your school is that much of a boonie school

but it's quite telling that you're so insecure that you won't even name it

im really curious. please answer those questions.

only if you drop out of your shitty no name college, become an ethnic minority, and live like a lower class person for the next 5 years

for a little bitch, you're demanding quite a lot from your superiors

[chronopops]

generally don't
lol. i know you're not stupid enough to think that everything can be set in an extreme. why would I say ALL, when there are exceptions to everything?

you're being stupid now.

saw your facebook before but i forgot the name; it's not my fault your school is that much of a boonie school

but it's quite telling that you're so insecure that you won't even name it
So you don't know. hmm.

seems like grounds to make judgements about it.

I have no problem telling you what school I go to but its much more interesting to highlight the fact that you don't know what it is, or how good it is, yet you say it is third rate simply because you dont agree with me.

gg bro.

only if you drop out of your shitty no name college, become an ethnic minority, and live like a lower class person for the next 5 years

for a little bitch, you're demanding quite a lot from your superiors
Very nice dodge amit.

now you're being the troll.

no, but really, answer those questions. I'm really curious. Obviously you're not strapped for time.

[Amit]

what a copout

no really what school do you go to; i did know what school you went to

but considering i rarely forget where people go to school (unless it's that lackluster of an institution), the only plausible explanation is that your school is just more academic fodder

[chronopops]

what a copout

no really what school do you go to

You tell me.

You seem to know a lot about it.

:)

[Amit]

haha this is like zero and he used to never post pics even though everyone asked him to

how rich

[chronopops]

haha this is like zero and he used to never post pics even though everyone asked him to

how rich

you're still dodging amit.

how do you know my school is third rate? whats it called? wheres it located? what do you know about it?

:-\

[Amit]

well a quick facebook search reveals that all the matt houghtons on there don't go to particularly noteworthy (or even decent) schools :[:[

especially you

shoreline community college eh

god i just knew you were a CC kiddy from the beginning :lol:

[chronopops]

well a quick facebook search reveals that all the matt houghtons on there don't go to particularly noteworthy (or even decent) schools :[:[

which one is it tho?

and you know my name? how much cuteeee

here gimme ur name so i can add you on facebook.

[Iskandar]

stop trying to apply emic values to an etic issueomg you just pulled the emic/etic distinction

you totally stole that from wikipedia

[Amit]

it's this one

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/896/122/s331000193_9743.jpg

[Iskandar]

Amit Routh.

[Amit]

it's moer like "mouth" except with an "R"

if u plz

[Mr. Ron]

I am half-orc none of you understand my disadvantage in America.

[Iskandar]

it's moer like "mouth" except with an "R"

if u plzo i am sry i do not spk ur desert tongue

[Amit]

disadvantage more like HUGE DPS BONUS

[guitrguy]

it's this one

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/896/122/s331000193_9743.jpg

lol

[chronopops]

k amit you're on my hitlist nao.

[Iskandar]

k amit you're on my hitlist nao.


fascist

[Amit]

ok i blocked matt houghton and reported him for sexual harassment

this will be enjoyable

[chronopops]

fascist

am i missing something.

[J Rad]

yeah! the point!

[chronopops]

ok i blocked matt houghton and reported him for sexual harassment

this will be enjoyable

lol gl.

im white so they'll believe me over you.

i love racist america.

[Amit]

well considering it's logged that you approached me with a sexually objectionable statement in your friend request

it will be enjoyable to see your facebook account disabled you insufferable cunt-slab :]:]

[chronopops]

well considering it's logged that you approached me with a sexually objectionable statement in your friend request

it will be enjoyable to see your facebook account disabled you insufferable cunt-slab :]:]

lol.

good thing i go on facebook like once every 2 weeks.

fail.

[Iskandar]

omg interracial bitchfest

this is why i go on the internet

[spitfirejunky]

Best icon ever.

[Iskandar]

I blush.

[Amit]

truly sexy tbh

[chronopops]

so amit you gonna answer those questions?

[ringworm]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0

Chris Matthews completely pwn'd this guy. I have a feeling most Barack supporters would respond the exact same way.
daaannnnnng, that was cold, but a very good point

I love Matthews

[Iskandar]

I hate Matthews, and pundits in general.

[ringworm]

well, we could all be labeled as pundits, but thats irrelevant, Matthews still brought up a very good point, regardless :)



and nice pwnage of poopsforbrains, amit, i might even rep you :p

[Mr. Ron]

lol gl.

im white so they'll believe me over you.

i love racist america.

LOL

[ClamBurglar]

does the president like koЯn

[1338 h4x0r]

I am half-orc none of you understand my disadvantage in America.

Those Northerners are really just jealous of your man height and cunning.

Doan let them stinking maggots knife yer in yer sleep.

[spitfirejunky]

With the way green_bastard and zoroaster have returend, we'll be seeing more memorable characters reappearing.

[chronopops]

amit, my facebook still works.

im getting sad.

[1338 h4x0r]

amit, my facebook still works.

im getting sad.

Yes, but you're still really dumb.

gg

[McP3000]

Trolls trolling trolls...who are actually just trolling the trolls trolling trolls

wutututuutututututuwutuwututuwt

[chronopops]

im gonna have to do a flow chart for that one.

[thedeadwalk!]

TLC. Right now. A guy has root-like things growing on his body. It's like ****ing tree hands.

[1338 h4x0r]

Trolls trolling trolls...who are actually just trolling the trolls trolling trolls

wutututuutututututuwutuwututuwt

Sounds like the tagline for Das Boot.

Der Troll: When the Trolls Become the Trolled

[spitfirejunky]

TLC. Right now. A guy has root-like things growing on his body. It's like ****ing tree hands.

I don't have cable, is there any way to get this on internet?

[thedeadwalk!]

I'll have to check a little more.

One of the comments on this video mentions the tree guy, and it shows some of the other people featured in the series. I don't know if he's in it as I stopped after the first woman was shown, and I then read a comment of a guy with no face. I find this stuff interesting, but I also can't look at it for more than a second as it makes me feel sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWDIwZm_7s&feature=related

Also, a dermatologist checked him out and determined it to be warts that his immune system couldn't stop its spread.

OK, here's a torrent if you want:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1003587

And a video of part of his segment:

http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/4507

[chronopops]

TLC. Right now. A guy has root-like things growing on his body. It's like ****ing tree hands.

i was watching that ****.

it pissed me off that he didn't do the treatment or whatever at the end.

[Against Miik!]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/20/bush-outside-forces-tend-to-divide-people-up

Bush makes me lol. This is how I know he is not thinking rationally, because even a four year old could see the irony in this. I know this is off of ThinkProgress, which is no way a reliable source most of the time, but there is a video, and the video doesn't lie.

[Dr Hooch]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/20/bush-outside-forces-tend-to-divide-people-up

Bush makes me lol. This is how I know he is not thinking rationally, because even a four year old could see the irony in this. I know this is off of ThinkProgress, which is no way a reliable source most of the time, but there is a video, and the video doesn't lie.

The thing is he hasn't lost it or anything; some of us have been telling you he's this crazy for like, 8 feckin' years...

[Against Miik!]

The policies he ran on in 2000 weren't THAT horrible. He was more of real republican back then. Actually, he probably would have made Ron Paul proud. He wasn't quite as extreme, with getting rid of government programs and the fed and such, but he was for cutting taxes, low spending, and a humble foreign policy. 9/11 didn't change everything, but it definitely changed him. Or maybe he had those plans all along, and just needed a catalyst. I'm not sure.

[Zoroaster]

With the way green_bastard and zoroaster have returend, we'll be seeing more memorable characters reappearing.

I'm memorable? Thanks. Apropos memorable creatures, is zerokewl still a regular?

[totah]

The policies he ran on in 2000 weren't THAT horrible. He was more of real republican back then. Actually, he probably would have made Ron Paul proud. He wasn't quite as extreme, with getting rid of government programs and the fed and such, but he was for cutting taxes, low spending, and a humble foreign policy. 9/11 didn't change everything, but it definitely changed him. Or maybe he had those plans all along, and just needed a catalyst. I'm not sure.

Keep in mind that back then he had a whole campaign-organising crew backing him up/making him seem rational, and Colin Powell & Friends were still around to keep an eye on things (ie. make sure he doesn't just hire everyone who was on the job in '89). Not no more.

In better news, I think that every person on this forum is familiar with this situation:

http://www.xkcd.com/

[Dr Hooch]

I'm memorable? Thanks. Apropos memorable creatures, is zerokewl still a regular?

A brother zerocool is referred to as his actual name Steve on account of his many accounts, but can be found currently under 'Serenity' and 'YDToad', in the Homophobic Jew Fetishists section of your local Emex.

[ringworm]

im getting sad.
no, you were sad long before we found your facebook :p

[McP3000]

http://www.xkcd.com/

THERE'S SOMEONE WRONG ON THE INTERNET!

[1338 h4x0r]

permalink

http://xkcd.com/386/

cute, 386

[big80smullet]

lol at chrono and amit :lol:

they are both as racist as each other. i on the other hand am perfectly impartial whether you be currymuncher or cracker i hate you all

[guitrguy]

Misanthrope

[1338 h4x0r]

Hail the key, misanthropy

[chronopops]

lol at chrono and amit :lol:

they are both as racist as each other. i on the other hand am perfectly impartial whether you be currymuncher or cracker i hate you all

That's still being racist, lol.

[1338 h4x0r]

That's still being racist, lol.

No.

It's being misanthropic.

[guitrguy]

That's still being racist, lol.

misanthropy is not racism.

[YDtoad]

A brother zerocool is referred to as his actual name Steve on account of his many accounts, but can be found currently under 'Serenity' and 'YDToad', in the Homophobic Jew Fetishists section of your local Emex.

many? Only two :smash:

And, this is the greatest video ever: http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=76613&feedType=VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews&rpc=23&sp=true
Srs THAT has to be his legacy.

[chronopops]

No.

It's being misanthropic.
I was under the impression you were saying, "i hate you all", based on both our races.

if you just hate us all, then yes, it's misanthropy and not racism.

[Iskandar]

old

[big80smullet]

I was under the impression you were saying, "i hate you all", based on both our races.

if you just hate us all, then yes, it's misanthropy and not racism.

yeah i just basically hate most people for various reasons. mostly cause they are all stupid and shortsighted wankers. I dont care what colour someone is they all get an equal chance to be hated


also middle aged white politicians should never repeat never dance in public. it only ends badly

[McP3000]

yeah i just basically hate most people for various reasons. mostly cause they are all stupid and shortsighted wankers. I dont care what colour someone is they all get an equal chance to be hated


also middle aged white politicians should never repeat never dance in public. it only ends badly
Barack Obama wasn't much better on Ellen D's show. :lol:

[big80smullet]

our treasurer did the macarena on tv a few years back :upset: sad day for the australian public

[ClamBurglar]

sup lod im professor tronn would u like to tell me how to register to vote

[big80smullet]

lordy yes.

[1338 h4x0r]

I was under the impression you were saying, "i hate you all", based on both our races.

if you just hate us all, then yes, it's misanthropy and not racism.

big80smullet (and I) hate everyone regardless of race.

[big80smullet]

well i dont know about that i prefer to thin of it as hating them despite their race

[Dr Hooch]

many? Only two :smash:

And, this is the greatest video ever: http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=76613&feedType=VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews&rpc=23&sp=true
Srs THAT has to be his legacy.

what not les guerres des Iraqes?

[Dr Hooch]

also not a noramal sentense i'm drunl

[pedro durruti]

Ha haha good old drunkards in PNWI

[ringworm]

Barack Obama wasn't much better on Ellen D's show. :lol:
lol, that was bad


but he was probably too frightened to get really jiggy wid it for fear of chasing away mainstream america :p

[McP3000]

lol, that was bad


but he was probably too frightened to get really jiggy wid it for fear of chasing away mainstream america :p
its because he's not really black

he's a mulatto

An albino
A mosquito
My libido

YEAH

[ringworm]

this was cool
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/02/080221-oregon-meteor.html

[big80smullet]

quite the event

[totah]

Standing in line to be booked in/And the pigs all stare with their piggy grins/And their piggy noses and their piggy chins/That makes a vegan crave for ham

I like the constrasting rhymes: in, grin, chin, HAM.

[ringworm]

Most Miserable Places to Live
http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/forbes-misery-data-oped-cx_ja_0503data.html

[Knifeboy]

What's that got to do with misery :confused:

[Against Miik!]

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html

Just came across this, found it interesting.

and this

http://you.presscue.com/node/476

omg shes a terrorist!

[totah]

Watched this film, very enlightening: http://www.66stage.com/movies.php?pl=div&url=1591025

It's called Zeitgeist: The Movie. Basically it's an exploration of a bunch of different things that all tie in together somehow in the end. It has a few uninteresting bits about 9/11, 7/7 and comparing them to the Reichstag Fire (mostly witness accounts and picture analysis, skip it if you can't be bothered). However, the first part of the film deals with Judeo-Christian, and earlier, religions, and explains how they are all just allegorical sun-worship.

One example it used is comparing many many gods (Jesus, Horus, Mithra, Dionysus, Joseph) who all have the same basic background: born of a virgin on the 25th of December, child prodigies, 12 disciples (or in Joseph's case, 12 brothers), miracle-makers, died of betrayal, resurrected after three days. Then it points to the stars, and shows that in and around December, near the winter solstice, the brightest star in the sky is Sirius. When Orion's Belt (aka The Three Kings) lines up with Sirius on the 25th they point a direct line to where the sun is going to rise. The sun then stays where the stars point for three days, right on the brim of the horizon, and after three days rises North by one degree, signalling the beginning of longer days and shorter nights. Lots of stuff like this, interesting stuff. I recommend watching it, if only for the the first twenty minutes about religion.

Oh yes, it also goes on at length, near the end, about banks, credit, the Federal Reserve and how that was the end of the Constitution.

Bankers are pure evil.

[Knifeboy]

Zeitgeist is complete bullshit

[totah]

What, all of it?

[PerpetualBurn]

I stopped watching Zeitgeist after they repeatedly lied about Horus.

[Knifeboy]

What, all of it?

Most of the stuff about religion

And the middle part is the same old lame permanently debunked conspiracy theory about 9/11
I don't know about the third part, but I really really doubt its credibility after the two first parts being so.. wrong

[ringworm]

I wonder why this event got almost no coverage or air time when it happened?

At least in the states thats is, it may have been bigger in other countries…




Children of Beslan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwWTZbQLyuM

[McP3000]

Most Miserable Places to Live
http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/forbes-misery-data-oped-cx_ja_0503data.html
Wouldn't you know it

Americans are happier than those bleeding heart socialists :rolleyes:

[Knifeboy]

I hope you were kidding with that comment, did you see what the so called happines index was based on?
IE, nothing to do with happiness

[McP3000]

I hope you were kidding with that comment, did you see what the so called happines index was based on?
IE, nothing to do with happiness
i was fyi

i mean it has Texans more miserable than the rest of the country.

BULLSHIT WE ARE THE HAPPIEST RANCHEROS TO EVER RIDE OUT HORSES INTO THE SUNSET

[Knifeboy]

I was almost certain you were joking, I just had to make sure, and vent a little bit because they chose that wording for their statistics, it makes no sense.


On another note, I actually thought Denmark had the worlds highest tax rate for our top tax bracket , but I guess I was wrong

[McP3000]

I was almost certain you were joking, I just had to make sure, and vent a little bit because they chose that wording for their statistics, it makes no sense.


On another note, I actually thought Denmark had the worlds highest tax rate for our top tax bracket , but I guess I was wrong
would that be the same thing as the Wealth Tax on the site?

Because then Spain would have the highest

[ringworm]

i dunno fellas, bit if i got taxed that much, i'd be pretty miserable, maybe i'm reading something wrong?

[Knifeboy]

going further with that logic, a place with no taxes at all (ie no government) would be the happiest place in the world?

[Tyr]

Quoted post edited.

[McP3000]

going further with that logic, a place with no taxes at all (ie no government) would be the happiest place in the world?
ANARCHY IN THE UK

The Sex Pistols knows whats best for us

[ringworm]

going further with that logic, a place with no taxes at all (ie no government) would be the happiest place in the world?
ideally, yes, but you're talking to a person who lives wayyyy out in the country with completely different ideals. And I think America is built more upon the individual rather than a group thought.

I think its just our upbringing, if you're used to it, it doesnt affect you, you dont know any different, the same goes for me, while I GASP at the thought of half of my earnings gone before I ever get them, you seem to fully accept it.

Maybe its just our gvnt structure as well, I dont know how rampant waste, corruption and overspending is in other western countries, one would assume its no different, just like any institution ran by people with power.

And also, my generations way of rebelling was to reject intrusive gvnt, this generation seems to embrace more of it, which really confuses me.

[Knifeboy]

Maybe its just our gvnt structure as well, I dont know how rampant waste, corruption and overspending is in other western countries, one would assume its no different, just like any institution ran by people with power.


I can't comment on waste and overspending, but our government is considerately less corrupt than yours, according to a couple of reports done on government corruption. (one source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corruption)

I think part of it has to do with our system being more well thought out, with more checks and balances, and less bureaucracy.. And part of it has to do with our country only having a population of 5 million people. A lot harder to take money from big business and doing favors, when practically everyone in the country will know it as soon as the press gets a hold of it.

The rest of your post, I couldn't agree more with

[McP3000]

I can't comment on waste and overspending, but our government is considerately less corrupt than yours, according to a couple of reports done on government corruption. (one source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corruption)

I think part of it has to do with our system being more well thought out, with more checks and balances, and less bureaucracy.. And part of it has to do with our country only having a population of 5 million people. A lot harder to take money from big business and doing favors, when practically everyone in the country will know it as soon as the press gets a hold of it.

The rest of your post, I couldn't agree more with
It has to do a lot more with the size of the population and the very small GDP of your country (in comparison).
Of course the largest country in the world in terms of economy will be more corrupt.

[Dave de Sylvia]

What? Why?

[McP3000]

What? Why?
What? Why?

[Iskandar]

It has to do a lot more with the size of the population and the very small GDP of your country (in comparison).
Of course the largest country in the world in terms of economy will be more corrupt.Many of the world's most corrupt nations are small and have weak economies, like in Africa.

[ringworm]

is that why Bush is spending so much time in africa, hmmmm :p

[Iskandar]

He's in Africa as a last-ditch attempt to improve his public image before he gets the boot.

[ringworm]

nothing short of reversing time or the entire world waking up tomorrow with amnesia could pull off him ever having a good public image, at least in my eyes :)

[Against Miik!]

The U.S. public might as well have amnesia. Politicians change their views all the time. Hillary even had completely contradictory views on, I think it was drivers licenses for illegals, in the same debate, and like maybe 6 people called her out on it.

Then there is my homeboy, John McSchizzlcain

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NeBw28tX5Nw

[ringworm]

I saw some clips on Obama about gvnt regulations with the new "Green" trend everyone is falling for.

A few months ago, he opposed any caps and wished for the free market to rally around new technology for fuel advancements, this week he pushed for caps and gvnt regulation and guidelines, mostly just carbon taxes, which do nothing but pass the costs businesses have to pay the gvnt for emissions on to the consumer. And also showed support for Corn Based Ethanol but he opposed it awhile back.

[McP3000]

I saw some clips on Obama about gvnt regulations with the new "Green" trend everyone is falling for.

A few months ago, he opposed any caps and wished for the free market to rally around new technology for fuel advancements, this week he pushed for caps and gvnt regulation and guidelines, mostly just carbon taxes, which do nothing but pass the costs businesses have to pay the gvnt for emissions on to the consumer. And also showed support for Corn Based Ethanol but he opposed it awhile back.
oh

thank you so much for giving me another reason to think he will be a bad president

[guitrguy]

I saw some clips on Obama about gvnt regulations with the new "Green" trend everyone is falling for.

A few months ago, he opposed any caps and wished for the free market to rally around new technology for fuel advancements, this week he pushed for caps and gvnt regulation and guidelines, mostly just carbon taxes, which do nothing but pass the costs businesses have to pay the gvnt for emissions on to the consumer. And also showed support for Corn Based Ethanol but he opposed it awhile back.

Is it really that surprising? John McCain flipped his stance on the Bush tax cuts and torture.

[Against Miik!]

Thats an issue that people don't really understand, and will neglect when placing a vote for him. A global carbon tax will have a lot of bad effects. Industries in the post industrial nations will simply move their facilities to the third world, where they will not be taxed. You may think, hey, this is great, bring industry to the third world! Ya! And in theory, it would be good. But realistically, it would just be modern colonialism, equally as exploitative. That is just one of the negatives of passing a global carbon tax.

Not to mention, on principle alone, it would be basically be a tax on living.

[guitrguy]

Thats an issue that people don't really understand, and will neglect when placing a vote for him. A global carbon tax will have a lot of bad effects. Industries in the post industrial nations will simply move their facilities to the third world, where they will not be taxed. You may think, hey, this is great, bring industry to the third world! Ya! And in theory, it would be good. But realistically, it would just be modern colonialism, equally as exploitative. That is just one of the negatives of passing a global carbon tax.

Not to mention, on principle alone, it would be basically be a tax on living.

What do you suggest? Let big business continue their irresponsibility?

[big80smullet]

I was almost certain you were joking, I just had to make sure, and vent a little bit because they chose that wording for their statistics, it makes no sense.


On another note, I actually thought Denmark had the worlds highest tax rate for our top tax bracket , but I guess I was wrong

Top tax bracket here is 49% its easy to get **** on tax though so its not like you lose half your wages. like my dad claims all his petrol and his car on tax ^_^ at least he did till he got a work car.

[Against Miik!]

What do you suggest? Let big continue their irresponsibility?

Certainly not. Although I am not convinced completely of man made global warming, I do understand the negative impact that human actions have had on the environment, and a change needs to be made, on a global level. That is why if I were president, research of alternative energies would be top 3 on my to do list. And when I say that, I don't just mean for cars. I mean for everything. We need to find a more efficient fuel to run the power grids, and I mean world wide. It would have to be a world wide effort.

A global carbon tax doesn't really get to the root of the problem, it just kind of creates a different form of the problem. An readily available and cost efficient alternative energy source would solve a multitude of problems. It would create a cleaner environment, not just eliminating emissions, but eliminating the need to destroy the earth in search of these resources. Also, it would all but end the need for U.S. intervention in the middle east. If the United States took the lead on new technologies, and patented them, we would be the new energy provider for the world. The profits would be enormous.

But, being the rational thinker I am, I can think of at least one downfall. A lot of countries in the middle east and South America are experiencing relative prosperity, and it is mainly because of oil profits. I'm talking about the Kuwaits, UAEs, and Saudi Arabias of the world. Taking away their main source of income could possibly create a lot of contempt towards America where there is already a lot. That is why we would need to implement this cautiously, with an intricate plan, and plan b's and c's in the case of these undesirable scenarios.

A task force of sorts would have to be created within Washington to research new energy sources, and it would not be comprised of politicians or even scientists who are in the pockets of big oil, or who have some sort of agenda. This would be difficult to do of course, but is attainable.

The research and testing of these technologies would not be subsidized, at least not until a clear best alternative is established. By leaving it to the market, we would be in a better position to discover what actually is the most cost efficient and safest technology.

That would be a basic outline of my plan if I were running things. Of course, there would be thousands upon thousands of details to consider, but I need not worry about that, because I am not the president...yet.

[guitrguy]

Is that an old Obama speech?

[Against Miik!]

No. I am not an Obama supporter. But I will take that as a compliment.

Not to mention, I am arguing against Obama's carbon tax, and the fact that Obama is for subsidizing everything under the sun...or health care at least.

[guitrguy]

No I thought you were trying to show his flip flop. You didn't address a viable option, other than "find a different".

Tbh, we shouldn't worry about a nation's wealth that is primarily based on a commodity that is due to run and harmful to the environment. By your same reasoning would make it ok for child labor and other unethical business practice because those restrictions hurt profits and pass them onto the customer.

[Against Miik!]

No I thought you were trying to show his flip flop. You didn't address a viable option, other than "find a different".

Tbh, we shouldn't worry about a nation's wealth that is primarily based on a commodity that is due to run and harmful to the environment.

I'm gonna ask you to elaborate on the first part. I was expressing my plan of action from the position of the president, who is not a scientist, which I am not either. I cannot provide a clear cut alternative, but merely the best method to find one. That is certainly a better option than taxing a flawed technology.

As for the second part, I think we should be worried about it. It always a responsible thing to recognize possible flaws in your plans.

For example, say you had a group of three pretty close knit friends. You and just one of the friend decided to get into a little profitable business venture, intentionally leaving the third out. I'm not saying you shouldn't take that opportunity, but you should recognize the fact that the third friend will probably be disappointed that he was left out, and be prepared for the repercussions.

By your same reasoning would make it ok for child labor and other unethical business practice because those restrictions hurt profits and pass them onto the customer.

I don't see the correlation. But I will tell you that the search for alternative fuels and child labor laws are two completely different issues. I don't have one overall moral standing that I take on every issue. I think each issue should be dealt with independently because there are different rewards and repercussions for each individual issue.

[guitrguy]

I'm gonna ask you to elaborate on the first part. I was expressing my plan of action from the position of the president, who is not a scientist, which I am not either. I cannot provide a clear cut alternative, but merely the best method to find one. That is certainly a better option than taxing a flawed technology.Unless your provide a better option how can you strike down the only workable option we have? If we were to find better fuels, then those taxes are no longer relevant.

As for the second part, I think we should be worried about it. It always a responsible thing to recognize possible flaws in your plans. But its a nominal flaw based commodity that we should not be dependent upon to begin with.


I don't see the correlation. But I will tell you that the search for alternative fuels and child labor laws are two completely different issues. I don't have one overall moral standing that I take on every issue. I think each issue should be dealt with independently because there are different rewards and repercussions for each individual issue.

I was making a point of how faulty the logic is not, drawing comparison to those issues.

[Against Miik!]

Unless your provide a better option how can you strike down the only workable option we have? If we were to find better fuels, then those taxes are no longer relevant.


That first sentence I don't get. Fix grammar. As for the second sentence, that is exactly what I am saying. A global carbon tax simply delays the inevitable, but at the same time makes people complacent by saying "see, at least we are doing somethng about it". Most people are o.k. with something, but fail to see the bigger picture.


But its a nominal flaw based commodity that we should not be dependent upon to begin with.

I think we are just confused. When I was talking about recognizing flaws in certain plans, I was referring to my plan, not Obama's.



I was making a point of how faulty the logic is not, drawing comparison to those issues.

Well then you should have used a comparable issue. Paths of logic can change depending on the issue, if the issues are different enough.

Like Bush recently said that he wants to stay out of Africa because outside intervention causes more conflict and instability, yet we are all over the middle east. Those are two very very comparable issues, and thus he can't use different paths of logic on each.

[Dave de Sylvia]

That first sentence I don't get. Fix grammar.
You did not just ignore somebody's point because of a typo.

[big80smullet]

we imo the best course of action is to continue using oil based fuels for now and at the same time working to develop, solar, wind and tidal sources of power while making more nuclear stations.

tbh muclear is the only workable option available at this point in time which will provide enough power for the developed world

[Against Miik!]

Now see, I agree personally that nuclear power is one of the best options out there, although a combination would wind, nuclear, and solar would be ideal. The only problem comes with getting rid of nuclear waste. Most people who are against nuclear energy just end the argument there. You can't get rid of the waste. Well numb nuts, maybe you can! Perhaps there is a good use for nuclear waste, and at the rate that technology goes these days, if we seriously looked into it, I think we could find one.

You did not just ignore somebody's point because of a typo.

I did because I really can't decipher what he is asking. It was like he used 'to' instead of 'too'. That would be ridiculous.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

and at the same time working to develop, solar, wind and tidal sources of power
how feasible do you think this is

[big80smullet]

it makes perfects sense to me. he just wrote your instead of you. You still totally ignored it tbh

well atm its not too feasible. wind and solar are the most feasible so far but tidal power is still in early development by comparison. Nuclear would basically negate the need for those though tbh, since barring meltdowns it a pretty clean form of energy

[Against Miik!]

ok fine I reread it a few time's and I think I got it. The your instead of you and the lack of commas threw me off. I know, it's the internet. So now I will comment on it.


Unless your provide a better option how can you strike down the only workable option we have? If we were to find better fuels, then those taxes are no longer relevant.

You are right, I did not provide a concrete alternative to Obama's plan. But here is my main gripe, and I think you guys are thinking too narrowly to see this.

First of all, my main gripe with our fuel technology research is that it is always put on the back burner. Bush, for example, says he wants to increase car efficiency to a certain standard by 2020. Well, 12 more years, 13 or 14 when he said it, is a long time. It's especially absurd considering the standards put forth. I don't have the numbers on me, but I remember when reading it thinking it was dumb. The standards he wants by 2020, when he may very well be dead, and certainly out of office, are already attainable. There is no sense of urgency about the issue.

A global carbon tax just adds to this lack of sense of urgency. Not to mention, based on past experiences, these things tend to linger long after they are viable. With a global carbon tax, it puts alternative energies even farther down the list, because many see this as the solution, rather than a temporary fix, which is all it is. I don't want that to happen.

That is why, as I said, rather than doing this, setting arbitrary standards to be met by arbitrary dates, I would put alternative energy research among my priorities. Having slightly more efficient cars that still run on oil or ethanol (which is worse), in 15 years just wouldn't cut it for me. All resources would go towards at least beginning to implement new technologies at the beginning of the next decade.

What we need to do is reapportion our resources. There are a lot of smart people out there, and there is a lot of money floating around? Are you a scientist? Know something about chemistry and the earth? Are you working on some worthless study that when completed will not make one ounce of difference when it's all said and done? Well **** you, your new job is researching new ways to make solar energy more efficient in it's output, as well as its cost.

If you need me to be more specific, I will be.

[Amit]

ok who actually cares about this gay environmental ****

[Against Miik!]

sup tway

how feasible do you think this is

Quite feasible, assuming each on there own did not provide adequate power. They all rely on natural occurrences that happen everyday, and are undoubtedly the cleanest form of energy (as far as I know). The main problem with switching to any form of new energy is that it basically rival the U.S. interstate highway system in scope of magnitude. Somebody just needs to have the balls to take the first step and not look back.

[Smokey D]

Thats an issue that people don't really understand, and will neglect when placing a vote for him. A global carbon tax will have a lot of bad effects. Industries in the post industrial nations will simply move their facilities to the third world, where they will not be taxed. You may think, hey, this is great, bring industry to the third world! Ya! And in theory, it would be good. But realistically, it would just be modern colonialism, equally as exploitative. That is just one of the negatives of passing a global carbon tax

Not to mention, on principle alone, it would be basically be a tax on living.

God I hate dependency theory.

[Against Miik!]

Better than modernization theory imo

[Smokey D]

Possibly, but picking one wrong idea in favour of a slightly more wrong idea is still picking the wrong one.

Both modernisation and dependency theory come with a whole lot of assumptions that simply don't bear out in practice. Dependency theory, for example, can't explain why places like China and India and South East Asia are doing so well -- not only are their economies expanding, but material well being for individual citizens. It's a pretty big stretch to call improving standards of living (although I accept various cultural assumptions built into this term, and the fact that it can ignore various social issues) exploitative. The core might exploit the periphery in some instances, but at the same time it appears to be transforming at least some of the periphery into new core areas. At the same time, modernisation theory is problematised by the myth of unilinear progress, and the fact that while some countries are performing better under a free trade paradigm, others are not.

Both modernisation and dependency theory are inadequate in explaining the dynamics of development, and if we scratch a little deeper we'll probably find it is the complex interaction both of forces within societies as well as between them that shapes development outcomes.

But maybe I'm wrong.

[Against Miik!]

No that makes sense. It's just that when presented with the two, dependency theory looks a bit better, but you're right, it's not quite there yet. I think lasting effects of colonialism is a piece of the puzzle, but as you stated, there are anomalies.

[Against Miik!]

I'm writing a paper on globalization right now. It's due tomorrow, but I could end it right now with the page limit, but I have more stuff to include. I'll probably go over the maximum, and it seems my prof is very strict about that. How can you get pissed about writing more, as long as it isn't like a novel? The maximum pages you can write is 5. I don't know how that can be the maximum. It's possible to write 5 pages on how the globalization affects dairy farmers in Iowa no problem, much less globalization as a whole. To limit it to five pages seems really unfair. The minimum is three pages. If I see somebody hand in a 3 page paper on globalization, I will be convinced, more so than I am now, that college is a joke. Keep in mind this is all double spaced. So really, you can write a page and a half or 2 and a half pages. My fourth grade research paper had to be 5 pages. I mean WTF!! And it's not like we have a bunch of mini essays due throughout the quarter. There are some exams, and then this one major paper, and this is what she gives us. I'm already at 3 pages, and I still have to dissect two Thomas Friedman essays. Or maybe one by Friedman and one by some other bro. I forget.

Anyways, rant over. Would anybody like to read it once I am done? I'm very proud of it, and it doesn't even contain any Ron Paul/Alex Jones bullpoop that I talk about around here!

[guitrguy]

You are right, I did not provide a concrete alternative to Obama's plan. But here is my main gripe, and I think you guys are thinking too narrowly to see this.

First of all, my main gripe with our fuel technology research is that it is always put on the back burner. Bush, for example, says he wants to increase car efficiency to a certain standard by 2020. Well, 12 more years, 13 or 14 when he said it, is a long time. It's especially absurd considering the standards put forth. I don't have the numbers on me, but I remember when reading it thinking it was dumb. The standards he wants by 2020, when he may very well be dead, and certainly out of office, are already attainable. There is no sense of urgency about the issue. No one is proposing a carbon tax to be an end all, but it certainly will help cut the emissions. For some odd reason cutting emissions while we continue to search alternatives just makes sense.

A global carbon tax just adds to this lack of sense of urgency. Not to mention, based on past experiences, these things tend to linger long after they are viable. With a global carbon tax, it puts alternative energies even farther down the list, because many see this as the solution, rather than a temporary fix, which is all it is. I don't want that to happen.I'm sorry, but I do not know any one who, supports a carbon tax, thinks its the solution.

That is why, as I said, rather than doing this, setting arbitrary standards to be met by arbitrary dates, I would put alternative energy research among my priorities. Having slightly more efficient cars that still run on oil or ethanol (which is worse), in 15 years just wouldn't cut it for me. All resources would go towards at least beginning to implement new technologies at the beginning of the next decade.
It is a priority, but adding a tax to help reduce emissions is meant help slow down global warming, not end it.
What we need to do is reapportion our resources. There are a lot of smart people out there, and there is a lot of money floating around? Are you a scientist? Know something about chemistry and the earth? Are you working on some worthless study that when completed will not make one ounce of difference when it's all said and done? Well **** you, your new job is researching new ways to make solar energy more efficient in it's output, as well as its cost.

If you need me to be more specific, I will be.

I agree, but again carbon tax is meant to to reduce emissions, not solve global warming or end foreign oil dependency.

[Smokey D]

Anyways, rant over. Would anybody like to read it once I am done? I'm very proud of it, and it doesn't even contain any Ron Paul/Alex Jones bullpoop that I talk about around here!


Hah, that's awesome. How many words is 5 pages double spaced? Like 1500? You could try and 1.5 space it and hope he doesn't notice.

Word counts are good because they make focus both your writing style and your argument, but 1500 words give or take is really quite restrictive, especially on something like globalisation.

I'd like to read it at some point.

I was going to make an Essay thread at one point, but then I thought that'd there be too much potential for plagiarism and stuff.

[Against Miik!]

guitr, I'll back to you later, although I think we are really getting somewhere. It's just that all my brain cells are going towards this paper.

Hah, that's awesome. How many words is 5 pages double spaced? Like 1500? You could try and 1.5 space it and hope he doesn't notice.

Word counts are good because they make focus both your writing style and your argument, but 1500 words give or take is really quite restrictive, especially on something like globalisation.

I'd like to read it at some point.

I was going to make an Essay thread at one point, but then I thought that'd there be too much potential for plagiarism and stuff.

Yeah I'm at about three pages right now, and its about 1000 words, so I guess 5 would be around 1700 something. I guess the 5 page limit makes sense, 1st because they would take forever to grade if they were longer, and it makes us make more concise and to the point arguments. I tend to rant, use real long sentences etc...more of a journalistic style, so it's a bit rough for me. And I am a bit hesitant about posting it on here though, for fear of plagiarism. Not that it is that good or anything, but you never know. Maybe we'll figure something else out.

After reading over it again though, I realized it kinda sucks. Thats not my fault though. The class isn't on anything in particular. It's just an intro to international relations which I must take a prereq. I find that subconsciously, I kind of write my papers to reflect the difficulty of the class. For example, when I took sociology 101, my papers were probably written at like a 10th grade level. Not grammatically or anything, just in regards to how far I take my arguments and such. So same goes for this. Guidelines are way to broad, as is the material of the course, to write a really intellectually stimulating paper. I'm concentrating more on just meeting the requirements than writing a masterpiece.

and on side note. Open office>microsoft office

and I have to read all these pdfs for research. foxit reader>>>>>>>adobe. it doesn't freeze up my browser for like 2 minutes every time I just want to read an article.

[Smokey D]

Quality of the class, particularly the quality of the essay questions and the kind of questions the lecturer is asking in class (or those he should be asking) colour the quality of any essay that you produce. It's not for nothing that the good lecturers have the students with the best grades.

I really don't like the whole 'make up your own question' direction some courses take, which doesn't bode well for any potential post-grad work I might take.

If you want, I can rep you an email address and you can send it to that.

[Against Miik!]

Sure thing. I'm takin a break right now to because I went on a bit of a music downloading binge, but I should only have like an hour of good work left on it.

[ClamBurglarr]

I Agree With Abortion, Okay

[totah]

Did anyone hear any of the recorded phone calls from the twin towers just before they (well, on of them, dunno which one) tumbled? That's ****ing horror and no mistake:

"Yeah there was an explosion downstairs honey, but I'm okay, going towards the OH MY GOD ARGHHH!" *screams in background*

[Cardboard Urinal]

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iozBXlp2nzuVxnMx_SwmtKvi7C-w

damn right too. they deserve it

[Dr Hooch]

Now see, I agree personally that nuclear power is one of the best options out there, although a combination would wind, nuclear, and solar would be ideal. The only problem comes with getting rid of nuclear waste. Most people who are against nuclear energy just end the argument there. You can't get rid of the waste. Well numb nuts, maybe you can! Perhaps there is a good use for nuclear waste, and at the rate that technology goes these days, if we seriously looked into it, I think we could find one.


:lol: this is the most libertarian thing i've ever seen anyone say in earnest

what you're saying about nuclear is pretty sensible though, although i don't think people realise nuclear waste is useful and 99% of it is recycled; but you do end up with the last dregs and they're really not that useful. Perhaps as space flight gets cheaper it will become viable to fire them at the sun or put them on the not so useful far side of the moon or something.

[ringworm]

Is it really that surprising? John McCain flipped his stance on the Bush tax cuts and torture.
well, thats McCain, its not like I have ever considered him a worthy candidate from day one, Obama is looking to be a good choice, but if he starts CHANGing (ha ha) direction, it will only make him appear as uncredible as the others (well, except Pawl :p)
how feasible do you think this is
probably about as feasible as corn based ethanol? (which isnt very good, tbo) But it seems to be the path our gvnt is going "all in" on while ignoring other avenues.
The latest tax bill gave HUGE tax breaks for oil, but not so much for solar, wind and other alt sources.
No one is proposing a carbon tax to be an end all, but it certainly will help cut the emissions.
but how does charging already filthy rich corporations a tad more in fines (after tax break after tax break) decrease their emissions output? The costs associated with the tax will just be passed on down the line to me or you while nothing really changes as far as emissions go.

Its like a rock star getting arrested for a DUI, so what if they lose their license or their insurance goes up, they can certainly afford it.

does anyone know where the carbon tax will be spent or used or saved?

[guitrguy]

but how does charging already filthy rich corporations a tad more in fines (after tax break after tax break) decrease their emissions output? The costs associated with the tax will just be passed on down the line to me or you while nothing really changes as far as emissions go.
The idea is the more you emit the heavier the tax you pay. The less you emit, the less you pay.
Its like a rock star getting arrested for a DUI, so what if they lose their license or their insurance goes up, they can certainly afford it.

does anyone know where the carbon tax will be spent or used or saved?
Idk if there are any proposed uses for the tax, because Bush and his love for uninhibited big business prevents the tax from becoming reality. At least while he still is the lame duck.

[Knifeboy]

https://www.videosift.com/video/Diebold-Accidentally-Leaks-Results-Of-2008-Election-Early

[Mr. Ron]

Shadowy overlords lol

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

probably about as feasible as corn-based ethanol?
that was my assumption.
Nuclear would basically negate the need for those though tbh, since barring meltdowns it a pretty clean form of energy
okay, i was hoping someone would say this. finding other, more natural forms of energy is nice and all, but tbh i'm a bit weary of all the chernobyl talks i find myself in.

[PerpetualBurn]

The odds of another Chernobyl are slim to nil.

It took a number of people a lot of hard work and effort to cause such a catastrophic mess.

[Against Miik!]

:lol: this is the most libertarian thing i've ever seen anyone say in earnest

what you're saying about nuclear is pretty sensible though, although i don't think people realise nuclear waste is useful and 99% of it is recycled; but you do end up with the last dregs and they're really not that useful. Perhaps as space flight gets cheaper it will become viable to fire them at the sun or put them on the not so useful far side of the moon or something.

Are you laughing at that because it's absurd? Or just because it is so overwhelmingly libertarian? Because, as you said sort of, I think what I said makes more sense than anything politicians these days are spewing.

[ringworm]

The idea is the more you emit the heavier the tax you pay. The less you emit, the less you pay.
maybe i'm just too skeptical, i dunno, i can't see this carbon tax really achieving that much environmentally

honestly, i think i'm just a realist :p

Idk if there are any proposed uses for the tax
i'll have to dig into this, because without knowing what it will be used for, i don't see how anyone can support it or stand behind it
I think what I said makes more sense than anything politicians these days are spewing.
agreed, but we'll just be called alarmists or libertarians for caring enough to see past next week :rolleyes:

[Dr Hooch]

Are you laughing at that because it's absurd? Or just because it is so overwhelmingly libertarian? Because, as you said sort of, I think what I said makes more sense than anything politicians these days are spewing.

the latter.

And you have to remember, politicians are talking to voters, most of whom are stupid

also :lol: I love the idea of a tax needing a 'use'

your crippling national debt?

[ringworm]

also :lol: I love the idea of a tax needing a 'use'
wow, yeah, well, um, that IS kinda important

especially a "carbon tax", it only makes sense to use it for what it's fighting against?

our crippling debt is solved the minute we can get a leader in office that has the balls to eradicate it, without putting every person in the country in the poor house, that is

[Knifeboy]

didn't you just call yourself a realist?

[guitrguy]

maybe i'm just too skeptical, i dunno, i can't see this carbon tax really achieving that much environmentally

honestly, i think i'm just a realist :p
As I said before, by no means is supposed be the solution. Companies have shown disregard to an impending problem and are unwilling to try to delay it for the sake of their profits and productivity. The taxes (penalties) would be there to more or less force companies to cut their emissions.

i'll have to dig into this, because without knowing what it will be used for, i don't see how anyone can support it or stand behind it
There will be a use for the taxes, but we should be more worried about the real purpose of the tax.

[ringworm]

you guys completely baffle me :lol:

in one thread, we discuss the complete failure of people in power

in another, we discuss how wasteful & corrupt our leaders are

in other threads, I cant help but say how smart almost every regular poster is




:p in the next, we hand them blank checks to solve earths crisis and trust that they will find a use for a tax we know nothing about, lol

[guitrguy]

you guys completely baffle me :lol:

in one thread, we discuss the complete failure of people in power

in another, we discuss how wasteful & corrupt our leaders are

in other threads, I cant help but say how smart almost every regular poster is




:p in the next, we hand them blank checks to solve earths crisis and trust that they will find a use for a tax we know nothing about, lol

What is the tax revenue will be used for is not as great of a concern as what the tax hope to achieve.

[Against Miik!]

the latter.

And you have to remember, politicians are talking to voters, most of whom are stupid

also :lol: I love the idea of a tax needing a 'use'

your crippling national debt?

First off, the United States wouldn't be receiving the money from the carbon tax. They would be the biggest payer of it. And as for the debt, higher taxation wouldn't even make a dent in it. We will never pay it all off. It's just not gonna happen. But to at least start chopping away at it, we first need to lower spending. I don't just mean get a point where income=expenditures. I'm talkin income>>>>>>>>>>expenditures.

[ringworm]

What is the tax revenue will be used for is not as great of a concern as what the tax hope to achieve.


what if it went towards building new roads for more americans to drive on

what if it went towards building a 1000 mile wall on the 3000 mile border

what if it went towards the failing airline industry that reports losses yet flies empty planes so it keeps its dock at some obscure terminal

what if it went towards countless earmarks and pet projects


what if it simply went right back into the pockets of lobbyists?



i'd say those are great reasons to learn every detail of a carbon tax

and besides, I have yet to see any hard data on the reduction of emissions this tax thinks it will target


you see why I question things?
I'm not trying to be a pessimist or hardass or an opposition
I simply think we can do more, smarter

[Against Miik!]

I already said earlier that a carbon tax wouldn't even help curb carbon emissions.

[guitrguy]

I already said earlier that a carbon tax wouldn't even help curb carbon emissions.

based on untested speculation.

[totah]

It's true. Congestion charges in London didn't help much. They definitely stopped the poorer people driving into and around London, but the businesses that employ huge trucks and vans (ie. the oens that pollute the most) pay it and go right ahead. They have no choice. Also people with SUVs and 4x4s tend to have money, so they drive around in those big-polluters as well.

And in the areas where the congestion charge only applies during the day, the trucks just come and unload at night. It's not enough to create air pollution, it's noise pollution too now. =P

A tax to stop pollution is silly. Taxation always hurts those with less money, and those with less money pollute less anyway, because proper pollution is expensive. Example: Government and industry are the biggest polluters. Go and look around industrial estates; 9 out of 10 shops don't recycle ANYTHING. Look in their skips. And then think of all the lampposts that you see on when it's still bright outside, because someone forgot to set the timer. And the centralised power-grid is the epitomy of electric waste.

That's not to say that we shouldn't conserve water and electricity, and that we shouldn't recycle, but community recycling and conservation projects won't stop the larger part of pollution. To stop polluting we need to cut down industry and doodad growth radically within our own nations, not to mention fossil-fuel burning. We need to switch to localised sustainable energy sources. We need to replace the waste processing infastructure with a complete recycling-oriented one. And we need to stop logging and switch to a variety of different sources for paper etc. There's seaweed, hemp, artificial forests, and loads of stuff I don't even know about.

Basically taxes don't really help anyone except the government because they affect poor people the most and poor people are not the biggest polluters by far. Most can't even afford cars.

[Against Miik!]

based on untested speculation.

Well I think it would just be obvious. Either countries say screw you, pay the tax, and continue doing what they are doing, or they move industries to the third world.

[Amit]

sup tway

that doesn't answer my question

[ringworm]

entire post
exactly
Well I think it would just be obvious. Either countries say screw you, pay the tax, and continue doing what they are doing, or they move industries to the third world.
and again

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well I think it would just be obvious. Either countries say screw you, pay the tax, and continue doing what they are doing, or they move industries to the third world.

or they could innovate

[Dr Hooch]

or they could innovate

:lol:

We are talking about the same earth right

[Dave de Sylvia]

:lol:

[Smokey D]

First off, the United States wouldn't be receiving the money from the carbon tax. They would be the biggest payer of it. And as for the debt, higher taxation wouldn't even make a dent in it. We will never pay it all off. It's just not gonna happen. But to at least start chopping away at it, we first need to lower spending. I don't just mean get a point where income=expenditures. I'm talkin income>>>>>>>>>>expenditures.

Who would receive it?

[Against Miik!]

The U.N., MNC's, among others I would assume. I dunno, I haven't looked into it. But it's not like the U.S. is the one enforcing this tax.

[Smokey D]

Um, I don't know how you envision a global tax but I see it as the UN passing some non-binding document kinda like the Kyoto Protocols, and then national governments implement a scheme within agreed parameters and taking the profits. Like Kyoto.

[ringworm]

Um, I don't know how you envision a global tax but I see it as the UN passing some non-binding d0cument kinda like the Kyoto Protocols, and then national governments implement a scheme within agreed parameters and taking the profits. Like Kyoto.

but doesnt that back our claim that the carbon tax wont really reduce emissions?

[McP3000]

but doesnt that back our claim that the carbon tax wont really reduce emissions?
The tax wont reduce emissions unless its outlandish.

They'll still make more money making their products and emitting a lot of carbon.
Itll just raise a lot of product's prices in the market

[totah]

*Takes pipe out of mouth*

Seems to me, *puff puff* that what we need is a revolution.

[McP3000]

If you're smoking a pipe you're probably the one to be killed in a revolution :|

[totah]

It's one of these:

http://kioskkiosk.com/images/cache/a1cd729dc17ca6d0e41b586953bfabab.jpg

[DBoons Ghost]

It's one of these:

http://kioskkiosk.com/images/cache/a1cd729dc17ca6d0e41b586953bfabab.jpg

You wouldn't survive a minute!

Imagine in the midst of carnage and chaos and anarchy a young jew boy sitting on a porch in a rocking chair slowly swinging back and forth, blowing bubbles out of a yellow pipe.

Well, mayhaps the crazy factor would work for you.

[Amit]

Imagine in the midst of carnage and chaos and anarchy a young jew boy sitting on a porch in a rocking chair slowly swinging back and forth, blowing bubbles out of a yellow pipe.

good god that sounds like the best scene ever in a movie

[ringworm]

The tax wont reduce emissions unless its outlandish.

They'll still make more money making their products and emitting a lot of carbon.
Itll just raise a lot of product's prices in the market
i keep having to say, amen or exactly with a lot of you lately :)


*Takes pipe out of mouth*

Seems to me, *puff puff* that what we need is a revolution.
lol :p

we'll never get there, but i agree, radical change is the only acceptable change, but the people capable of doing this are excluded from that part of the clubhouse.





In other news, Obama sure is starting to get hit hard from all sides, his charm is starting to loose weight in comparison to his lack of legislation, or experience.

Even if you agree with some of the speculation, making him out to be less worthy will only make it easier for the Rep's to win, so I'm still on the fence, on one hand, you have the possibility of McCain or Hilary winning, while if Obama gets it, we could be saying "what were we thinking" a few years from now? I dunno…

[totah]

You wouldn't survive a minute!

Imagine in the midst of carnage and chaos and anarchy a young jew boy sitting on a porch in a rocking chair slowly swinging back and forth, blowing bubbles out of a yellow pipe.

Well, mayhaps the crazy factor would work for you.

As tempting as that image is, it's just not practical. For one, all the blood and carnage (and there won't be much of that either) will only be going on outside the Parliament and Secret Police HQ, and possibly outside banks and within commercial districts. Alls a revolution is is when the peoples take community control of what it is what belongs to them, and liberate it back.

[Mr. Ron]

I'll be the guy with the water balloons and power rangers bike helmet.