PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Smokey D]

oh but I am.

You could do stand up with wit like this.

[Mr. Ron]

lol

[Hababi]

You could do stand up with wit like this.

you can compare it to ultra leftist euros all you want, but in American politics, I am absolutely centrist.

[Smokey D]

Stop it, please. You're killing me.

[Hababi]

Stop it, please. You're killing me.

what's not centrist (in American standards, again, not Dutch "standards") about my positions?

[Smokey D]

You think all Palestinians are terrorists and hate gays and women. And you think people who dress up different to you are subverting the public order.

[Hababi]

You think all Palestinians are terrorists and hate gays and women.

Geez I haven't seen so many strawmen since Halloween.

[italic zero]

also AIDS in my food

[guitrguy]

Your glaring uber religiousness.

[Mr. Ron]

whats wrong with women, steve?

[Hababi]

also AIDS in my food

that's older than alex's commie days.
Your glaring uber religiousness.

America is a religious nation. In fact, one of the most religious in the western world. Over 80% attest to being Christian.
whats wrong with women, steve?

i donnu you tell me ron

[Mr. Ron]

that's older than alex's commie days.


America is a religious nation. In fact, one of the most religious in the western world. Over 80% attest to being Christian.


i donnu you tell me ron

There's a castle in her heart
The walls go up for miles

There's a tower
You can see everything
But she shows you nothing
You can see everything
See up to heaven
And there's a couch
But the TV's somehow wrong
Nothing seems to fit
Everything that's good is hid

She's the king in Wittgenstein's world
She's the king in Wittgenstein's world

There's a castle
In her heart
Where she keeps everything...
Apart
The walls go up for miles
The walls go up for miles

[Hababi]

There's a castle in her heart
The walls go up for miles

There's a tower
You can see everything
But she shows you nothing
You can see everything
See up to heaven
And there's a couch
But the TV's somehow wrong
Nothing seems to fit
Everything that's good is hid

She's the king in Wittgenstein's world
She's the king in Wittgenstein's world

There's a castle
In her heart
Where she keeps everything...
Apart
The walls go up for miles
The walls go up for miles

You can't spell moron without ron :o :D :evil:

[Mr. Ron]

You can't spell moron without ron :o :D :evil:

<33333

[guitrguy]

that's older than alex's commie days.


America is a religious nation. In fact, one of the most religious in the western world. Over 80% attest to being Christian.


i donnu you tell me ron

I am well aware of the stats. Not all of the 83% are uber religious.

[Mr. Ron]

"Yeah, I go to mass sometimes!"

[dei]

America is a religious nation. In fact, one of the most religious in the western world. Over 80% attest to being Christian.

That's terrible.

[Hababi]

I am well aware of the stats. Not all of the 83% are uber religious.

a good bit of them are

and actually I'm not what I would consider to be 'uber religious.' I'm not a creationist and I'm not a 'harry potter is the devil' person. My guess is that you either know very few religious people, or misunderstand my positions. Or both.

Somehow though actually being a Christian gets turned into being 'uber religious'.

[Mr. Ron]

a good bit of them are

and actually I'm not what I would consider to be 'uber religious.' I'm not a creationist and I'm not a 'harry potter is the devil' person. My guess is that you either know very few religious people, or misunderstand my positions. Or both.

Yeah I have to agree with Steve here. I post on other message boards where there are far more religious people and there are some real nutters out there.

[Hababi]

Yeah I have to agree with Steve here. I post on other message boards where there are far more religious people and there are some real nutters out there.

You've been agreeing with me more frequently lately. I don't know whether that's encouraging or terrifying.

[Mr. Ron]

You've been agreeing with me more frequently lately. I don't know whether that's encouraging or terrifying.

Don't get too comfortable, you're up for extermination when I come to power. <3

[guitrguy]

a good bit of them are

and actually I'm not what I would consider to be 'uber religious.' I'm not a creationist and I'm not a 'harry potter is the devil' person. My guess is that you either know very few religious people, or misunderstand my positions. Or both.

Somehow though actually being a Christian gets turned into being 'uber religious'.

No the fact many of your arguments revert to religious justification does make you uber religious.

I live in MS, don't tell me I haven't met religious people.

[Hababi]

Don't get too comfortable, you're up for extermination when I come to power. <3
oh well that's not news to me :o
No the fact many of your arguments revert to religious justification does make you uber religious.

Erm actually like none of my arguments revert to religious justifications, so that means that you don't pay attention to and/or understand my posts.

I live in MS, don't tell me I haven't met religious people.

maybe you're just thick then...

[Knifeboy]

Somehow though actually being a Christian gets turned into being 'uber religious'.


Exactly, most americans who call themself christians aren't actually -being- christians
which is why you, compared to most americans, is uber religious ;)

[guitrguy]

you're too easy to rile up, serenity. I do like your ignorant judgments of me.

[Hababi]

Exactly, most americans who call themself christians aren't actually -being- christians
which is why you, compared to most americans, is uber religious ;)

the problem is that some people think that praying to god whenever you want something makes you a christian :\


you're too easy to rile up.


I'm not riled up. I only get riled up in Israel/Palestine threads :p

[dei]

Bomb Israel.

[guitrguy]

hard with a canon

[dei]

Give the land back to the Palestinians, terrorist scum.

[guitrguy]

I think we should completely withdraw from the middle east, then send pay-per-view in.

[i am the robots]

Your glaring uber religiousness.

being religious doesn't necessarily mean being conservative

[guitrguy]

being religious doesn't necessarily mean being conservative

I was talking about him being moderate, and yes I know.

[i am the robots]

i know, but you can be a religious moderate

[guitrguy]

which he is not. You haven't read some of his social stances have you?

[i am the robots]

yeah i know but im just saying you know

[guitrguy]

I know, I have friends who are.

[Reaganista]

any religious people are inherently reactionary counterrevolutionaries

[i am the robots]

and their opinions are based on fairy tales

[Dr Hooch]

any religious people are inherently reactionary counterrevolutionaries

Liberate politics now!

[gregulus]

Liberate politics now!

mx revolution. that was cool.

[Iskandar]

you can compare it to ultra leftist euros all you want, but in American politics, I am absolutely centrist.Doesn't say much seeing how America is a very right-wing country already.

And Europe is really not that left-wing anymore.

[dei]

In American politics you are still a Nazi.

[DBoons Ghost]

America is too young of a country to be given a chance at global politics with regards to it's citizens beliefs. Most people in the south view NYers as foriegners for chrissakes.

We can't even sort out healthcare and the reasons should be economical but they are political in nature. It's like we're the spoiled kid who usually gets his way and has yet to be thrown the beaten it needs to correct that behavior. Countries still put us in "time out" but one of these days.. we'll get more then a spank on the bottom. Maybe Mother Nature will solve this for everyone.

[PerpetualBurn]

I really don't see the relevance of the age of America.

[DBoons Ghost]

I really don't see the relevance of the age of America.

Relevance to what? It was a comment regarding the maturity of politics and people's involvment in it. I don't think we've reached a point where people really feel like they have a stake in a goal for our nation. You dig?

[PerpetualBurn]

Relevance to what?

Anything.

[DBoons Ghost]

Anything.

Lol..

Are you the post police? Don't we already have moderators or is your life so bleak and meaningless that getting under people's skin is the only thing you cling to in life?

[Reaganista]

i object to bleak and meaningless

[PerpetualBurn]

No, I just wondered if you'd elaborate as to what your point was regarding America's age. Apparently not.

[DBoons Ghost]

Did you read the above discussion? People were discussing the varying degrees of political affiliation and the difference between such in different countries. I merely stated that America's citizens for the most part are immature politically as a country.

If you disagree, which I'm sure you do, then feel free to state it.

[PerpetualBurn]

I don't really disagree because "politically immature as a country" doesn't really mean anything.

[DBoons Ghost]

I don't really disagree because "politically immature as a country" doesn't really mean anything.


Cool. thanks. I guess I failed to make my point to you.

You're a tough one to please.

[dei]

I can please PerpetualBurn.

[gregulus]

Favorite post: vallhal.

i just re-read the gun control thread. serious lol's.

[guitrguy]

haha we ran him off the site in R&M.

[Tyr]

I wonder how long it will take before he returns?

[guitrguy]

Idk, but if he does the abuse will be worse. (from Nifl and his peanut gallery)

[Tyr]

Yeah, but he has made those kind of statements before and always returned, so idk.

[guitrguy]

I don't doubt it, but he also never learns from his mistake either. I just see things being worse for him if he does come back.

[Tyr]

No doubt. He takes the Internet way too seriously, and he always sounds so pretentious. Plus he's easily riled up.

[1338 h4x0r]

No doubt. He takes the Internet way too seriously, and he always sounds so pretentious. Plus he's easily riled up.

Tyr, you're never on MSN. What's up?

[Tyr]

Tyr, you're never on MSN. What's up?

I'm on from time to time. Usually I just forget to log in. Plus there are some people on my friends list I'd rather avoid.

[guitrguy]

block them bitches.

[Tyr]

I could do that, but I'm generally too lazy.

[Knifeboy]

Favorite post: vallhal.

i just re-read the gun control thread. serious lol's.

It's even funnier when you see his pictures and listen to his music, and realize how seriously he apparently takes his music

[Tyr]

Black metal is serious business.

[Smokey D]

America is too young of a country to be given a chance at global politics with regards to it's citizens beliefs. Most people in the south view NYers as foriegners for chrissakes.

We can't even sort out healthcare and the reasons should be economical but they are political in nature. It's like we're the spoiled kid who usually gets his way and has yet to be thrown the beaten it needs to correct that behavior. Countries still put us in "time out" but one of these days.. we'll get more then a spank on the bottom. Maybe Mother Nature will solve this for everyone.

American political culture has been around longer than most places.

[Iskandar]

I thought the Democrats were like the single oldest political party ever.

[Smokey D]

They're pretty old, but they've kinda gone round the other way to how they originally were.

[guitrguy]

I would think an English party would be.

[Smokey D]

Most English parties have reconfigured since the 18th century.

[YDtoad]

mccain has beaten romney

barring something unlikely, he'll be the nominee

if the dems don't nominate obama, they are totally screwed in the general election.

[gregulus]

in on the kill taker is a great album.

i've been listening to that and exile in guyville for the past few days. liz phair in 1993 is the sexiest woman to ever live. god damn.

[McP3000]

mccain has beaten romney

barring something unlikely, he'll be the nominee

if the dems don't nominate obama, they are totally screwed in the general election.
If Hillary is nominated no one will show up at the polls.

[YDtoad]

If Hillary is nominated no one will show up at the polls.

She'll get her dedicated core who will stick with her through her divisive and proto-racist campaign, but not much else.

McCain should Pawlenty, Alaska governor Sarah Palin, or Michael Steele as his VP. TBH I'm most hopeful for Steele because he's a genuinely brilliant and principled guy and it would allow the GOP to move beyond its image of the old southern strategy party. Plus it'd be a great response to Hillary getting the nomination by playing race politics.

[Smokey D]

Proto racist? Steve you're such a polemicist.

[dei]

I once attended an English party.

[McP3000]

I once attended an English party.
fail troll is fail

[guitrguy]

what was he trolling?

[pedro durruti]

I want to be an American in London

[dei]

I wasn't trolling anyone.

[Iskandar]

They're pretty old, but they've kinda gone round the other way to how they originally were.They were originally supposed to represent the masses - hence the name "Democratic," which was originally a pejorative - as opposed to the Republicans who supported the existing power structure.

Fundamentally, I'd say that distinction still exists, at least on the Republican side.

[Smokey D]

Didn't the Dems use to be a pro-slavery Southern party?

And haven't there been multiple Republican parties which have nothing in common but their name?

[Iskandar]

Didn't the Dems use to be a pro-slavery Southern party?Probably at one point if their Southern faction were dominant. But after the Civil War, they played an important role in reconstruction and made some attempt to give blacks a role in politics.
And haven't there been multiple Republican parties which have nothing in common but their name?Possibly. I don't think the Republican name has ever been associated with anything other than the right-wing and opposition to Democrats, though.

[ringworm]

I don't think the Republican name has ever been associated with anything other than the right-wing and opposition to Democrats, though.
lawl



in other news
Other Side of Suez - did anyone see this on PBS last night, dang, its like a mirror of what Bush is doing in Iraq & Iran right now.

I never knew the British were left out to hang by allies that bad during this crisis, but I cant beleive that more dont see the similarities between then and now

[Smokey D]

Wiki says:

There was the Democratic-Republican party (1792-1824) which split up into lots of parties, one of which became the modern Democrats. There was also the American Republican Party (1843-56), which was associated with anti-immigration policies. Also, the Liberal American Party (1872) whose sole purpose was to oppose the re-election of Ulysses S Grant. People associated with this party would go on to stand for representation in the Democrats. Also, National Republican Party (1825-56) which was associated with hostility to Andrew Jackson and the Democrats.

This is in addition to the current Republican Party.


I never knew the British were left out to hang by allies that bad during this crisis, but I cant beleive that more dont see the similarities between then and now

It was pretty different because America declined support almost undoubtedly because it didn't want to contend with British interests as well as Soviet ones in a post-WWII environment. Also, America was in a position to actually change the situation. Also, Britain was a colonial empire who probably shouldn't have been supported.

[DBoons Ghost]

John Edwards just dropped out of the race.

The media railroaded him. I would love to see Edwards VP under Obama.

Maybe next time. Edwards deserved better but he wasn't given a fair chance.

[Iskandar]

John Edwards just dropped out of the race.

The media railroaded him. I would love to see Edwards VP under Obama.

Maybe next time. Edwards deserved better but he wasn't given a fair chance.:(

Poor Edwards. He should have stayed on and aimed at being Obama's VP.

lawlHuh?

[DBoons Ghost]

He still might Alex. I dunno. All depends on the party. Edwards had some solid economic plans and his healthcare plan was astounding. I don't get why he was ignored.

The media's influence in this whole thing really sickens me.

[YDtoad]

Proto racist? Steve you're such a polemicist.

:lol: Hey I'm just saying what a lot of people, including Democrats, are feeling. Look at Bill Clinton's comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson--message: hey buddy, you're black. That makes you the black candidate.

And of course, "Barrack HUSSEIN Obama. Can't be trusted" robocalls.

At the very least it is a divisive and polarizing campaign. But I'd go one step further and say that yes, it is a proto racist campaign.



Probably at one point if their Southern faction were dominant. But after the Civil War, they played an important role in reconstruction and made some attempt to give blacks a role in politics.


That's kinda wishful thinking. Democrats remained the party of segregation and Jim Crowe for a long time--Wilson, about the only Democrat in the 1900s till FDR, was the biggest racist schmuck of his era. The Democratic party was terrible on race relations until the 1960s. And if Hillary gets the nomination, it's headed back to ugly populist rhetoric time again.

On Edwards getting out: YAY! Now it's a two person debate, and it's probably going to be BRUTAL. No Edwards to distract from Hillary vs Obama the next debate will be classic.

Edwards will probably be attorney general if Obama gets elected. There's no way he'll be VP.

Don't forget though: Mike Gravel hasn't dropped out yet :amaze:

[Smokey D]

That you compare either Clinton to Wilson is really really sad. You just want to justify your woman hate. You're implying Hilary would take the US back to pre-desegregation, which I know you know is stupid. So stop it.

[Iskandar]

:On Edwards getting out: YAY! Now it's a two person debate, and it's probably going to be BRUTAL. No Edwards to distract from Hillary vs Obama the next debate will be classic.Yay for fewer democratic choices!

schmuckDammit, you're not a Jew!

[YDtoad]

That you compare either Clinton to Wilson is really really sad. You just want to justify your woman hate..

Nonsense, I would quite like to see the governor of Alaska as a presidential contender in the future; if it weren't for the fact that Michael Steele is one of my favorite three Republicans, I'd support her for VP this year (I could still possibly see she as VP and he as Sec of State). I don't mind the governor of Kansas, even though I disagree with her on some stuff.

But Hillary Clinton? A ruthless, classless pol. Look at the dirty trick she is now trying to pull with Florida and Michigan. She will do whatever it takes to get the nomination, and that includes a racist campaign that will divide the electorate and get her nominated even if it's 51-49.

[YDtoad]

Yay for fewer democratic choices!

It's the natural course of the nominating process. Remember that it started with Obama, Biden (the best), Dodd, Clinton, Kucinich, Gravel, and Richardson.

Dammit, you're not a Jew!

I can still use Jewish slang, you schlemiel.

[Smokey D]

But Hillary Clinton? A ruthless, classless pol. Look at the dirty trick she is now trying to pull with Florida and Michigan. She will do whatever it takes to get the nomination, and that includes a racist campaign that will divide the electorate and get her nominated even if it's 51-49.

Sounds like she knows what she's doing. I still don't get why you put so much emphasis on how people conduct themselves in the campaign, rather than the substance of their policy. And I'm not sure the Clinton campaign is anywhere near as bad as you make out.

[Iskandar]

It's the natural course of the nominating process. Remember that it started with Obama, Biden (the best), Dodd, Clinton, Kucinich, Gravel, and Richardson.But Edwards actually did ok, and he was an option for people who didn't buy into the Obama-Hillary rivalry.

I don't like how there's two Democrats and like five Republicans.
I can still use Jewish slang, you schlemiel.Yeah but it sounds retarded because you're a skinny white boy from Philly.

If you lived in New York it'd make more sense.

And do you actually know what a schlemiel is?

[YDtoad]

Sounds like she knows what she's doing. I still don't get why you put so much emphasis on how people conduct themselves in the campaign, rather than the substance of their policy. And I'm not sure the Clinton campaign is anywhere near as bad as you make out.

Actually they're even worse. I don't think that people outside of America can fully grasp just how outrageous Clinton's Jesse Jackson comment was.

And I don't understand how you can continually disregard everything outside of policy (and of course this is getting away from the fact that Clinton has refused to talk about raising payroll tax ceiling, etc.). If a candidate had the policies that you like, but spoke of the evilness of Jews and quoted parts of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, would you vote for that person? I sure hope not.

The president is the leader of America and the face of the country. Part of the reason why people don't like Bush goes beyond his policies to his demeanor.


But Edwards actually did ok, and he was an option for people who didn't buy into the Obama-Hillary rivalry.


Edwards had no chance. He came in third, consistently, even in his home turf. He was hopeless.


I don't like how there's two Democrats and like five Republicans.


Five? There are two. McCain and Romney. Oh, sure, Huckabee is sticking around, but nobody gives him any shot of actually getting the nomination. He's just around to screw Romney (something I support fully) and hope for VP (something I'm not so high on). Rudy's dropping out today. And then there's Ron Paul. Enough said.


Yeah but it sounds retarded because you're a skinny white boy from Philly.

If you lived in New York it'd make more sense.

And do you actually know what a schlemiel is?


I'm from Pittsburgh, not Philly. You ought to know that. And yes I know what a schlemiel is:smash:

[Iskandar]

Five? There are two. McCain and Romney. Oh, sure, Huckabee is sticking around, but nobody gives him any shot of actually getting the nomination. He's just around to screw Romney (something I support fully) and hope for VP (something I'm not so high on). Rudy's dropping out today. And then there's Ron Paul. Enough said.Kinda disturbing that Romney actually could very well become president. Anyway, I'm glad to hear Giuliani is dropping out. I liked him less and less as time went on.

And what happened to your support for Huckabee? wtf

[Smokey D]

Actually they're even worse. I don't think that people outside of America can fully grasp just how outrageous Clinton's Jesse Jackson comment was.


No, I get it. It was atrocious.


And I don't understand how you can continually disregard everything outside of policy (and of course this is getting away from the fact that Clinton has refused to talk about raising payroll tax ceiling, etc.). If a candidate had the policies that you like, but spoke of the evilness of Jews and quoted parts of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, would you vote for that person? I sure hope not.

Conduct in the campaign is pretty different to being a glaring idiot.


The president is the leader of America and the face of the country. Part of the reason why people don't like Bush goes beyond his policies to his demeanor.


People hate Bush because he invaded two countries and was extremely abrasive in his foreign policy decisions.

[Iskandar]

Bush's domestic policy was none too wise, either.

[YDtoad]

Kinda disturbing that Romney actually could very well become president. Anyway, I'm glad to hear Giuliani is dropping out. I liked him less and less as time went on.

I actually liekd him more and mroe as the campaign went on. Some of the charges against him were fairly baseless. The tax plan he came up with was desperate and pretty foolish, but he was fairly honest and, most importantly, resisted the temptation to take a hardline anti-immigrant stance (see: Romney) in favor of a plan that was fairly sane.


And what happened to your support for Huckabee? wtf

I like Huckabee as a person and a pastor but between the tax idea, which simply is not feasable in America, the confederate flag incident, and his nonsensical immigration plan, I just can not fathom him being in a position to become president in four years.

Michael Steele is an extremely bright (Johns Hopkins alumni) guy and would make an outstanding VP choice.

[Iskandar]

I like Huckabee as a person and a pastor but between the tax idea, which simply is not feasable in America, the confederate flag incident, and his nonsensical immigration plan, I just can not fathom him being in a position to become president in four years.Dude, he's a religious nut.

[YDtoad]

No, I get it. It was atrocious.

Ok good :cool:



Conduct in the campaign is pretty different to being a glaring idiot.

Conducting yourself without class in the campaign shows you to be a glaring idiot.



People hate Bush because he invaded two countries and was extremely abrasive in his foreign policy decisions.

There was broad support of the operation into Afghanistan. Yes, the Iraq war has made him very unpopular, but that's not the only thing. The personality matters. See also Dick Cheney.

The Clintons have the same type of hostility toward reporters, the same secrecy, the same Rove-like win at all costs mentality, to where it'd be just more of the same.

They're either going to win, and lose the general due to their alienating half the democrat party, or lose but in the process sully Obama and give the RNC everything they need to defeat him in the general. Either way, bad bad bad.

[YDtoad]

Dude, he's a religious nut.

He's hardly a nut. I think it's refreshing to have a candidate talk so openly and genuinely about his faith.

[Iskandar]

He's hardly a nut. I think it's refreshing to have a candidate talk so openly and genuinely about his faith.Dude, he believes in Biblical inerrancy.

What. the. ****.

[gregulus]

on another board i scan occasionally that has nothing to do with politics, a lot of goobers to raving about how immigration is a problem. i guess they don't understand how the benefits of immigration are greater than the costs of "them using our system," as most people think of it.

[Smokey D]

Conducting yourself without class in the campaign shows you to be a glaring idiot.



Not really.

Unless you're going up against a smoove operator like Obama.

There was broad support of the operation into Afghanistan. Yes, the Iraq war has made him very unpopular, but that's not the only thing. The personality matters. See also Dick Cheney.

Bush has always been a bumbling fool in the eyes of the international press. That's why people hate him.


The Clintons have the same type of hostility toward reporters, the same secrecy, the same Rove-like win at all costs mentality, to where it'd be just more of the same.


Bill didn't.

I dunno about how Hilary is conducting herself, but it doesn't really seem like Rove.


They're either going to win, and lose the general due to their alienating half the democrat party, or lose but in the process sully Obama and give the RNC everything they need to defeat him in the general. Either way, bad bad bad

I hate the way personality has become so much more important than practically everything else in American politics. Maybe this recession will remind people of the importance of policy.

[gregulus]

He's hardly a nut. I think it's refreshing to have a candidate talk so openly and genuinely about his faith.

"we need to change to constitution to fit god's word. not change god's word to fit some sort of modern ideas."

he's a ****ing lunatic, steve.

[Iskandar]

Unless you're going up against a smoove operator like Obama.You just stereotyped African-American Vernacular English.

You're a racist.

[Smokey D]

Only because I'm part of the white elite, mind.

Take that minorities!

[Mr. Ron]

I always knew Smokey was a vicious xenophobe

[gregulus]

Only because I'm part of the white elite, mind.

Take that minorities!

ATTN: CHRONO

[ringworm]

who watched the state of the union address?


it was very sad to hear Bush proclaim health care was no business of the Federal gvnt, then less than two sentences later, he demanded Congress pass legislation for "faith" based operations abroad?

[gregulus]

who watched the state of the union address?


it was very sad to hear Bush proclaim health care was no business of the Federal gvnt, then less than two sentences later, he demanded Congress pass legislation for "faith" based operations abroad?

does that really surprise you?

[Smokey D]

How did you guys manage to vote for him twice?

I mean seriously, come on.

[ringworm]

uh, John Kerry or Al Gore? :p

i really dont remember if i voted last time, but with that said, I woulda still voted Republican, probably :/

I am a newcomer to really paying attention to politics, it seems so hopeless either way

either dont pay attention and live a happy life, or pay attention and be frustrated and angry at the hopelessness of it all?

[gregulus]

How did you guys manage to vote for him twice?

I mean seriously, come on.

fear-mongering, tax-cuts, nationalism/patriotism and religion.

the things that generally really effect the general population.

[dei]

I liked his ideas.

[gregulus]

uh, John Kerry or Al Gore? :p

couldn't have been worse than gw.

[guitrguy]

I wasn't of age to vote until right before bush's second inauguration.

[dei]

I was only 16.

[ringworm]

with americans paying an average of 60% into taxes, its pretty easy for a party that only runs on lowering them to win against a party that only runs on raising them

we cant afford anymore hikes in taxes

[DBoons Ghost]

I haven't voted in a presidential election since 96. There. I confessed.

[dei]

I would have voted for Putin.

[guitrguy]

I haven't voted in a presidential election since 96. There. I confessed.

Technically, either have I.

[dei]

Good one.

[Dr Hooch]

with americans paying an average of 60% into taxes, its pretty easy for a party that only runs on lowering them to win against a party that only runs on raising them

we cant afford anymore hikes in taxes

**** man, we pay more tax than you do and it's a near non-issue in elections



in fact, i'm pressed to think of any real issues at all brought up in our elections

[1338 h4x0r]

with americans paying an average of 60% into taxes, its pretty easy for a party that only runs on lowering them to win against a party that only runs on raising them

we cant afford anymore hikes in taxes

What about the massive public debt?

[ringworm]

**** man, we pay more tax than you do and it's a near non-issue in elections
which is why I get so riled up whenever I hear how we need to emulate other western nations. Who the **** would want to if it costs more than it does now. Heck, we're trying to reduce the burden on the average American, not increase the amount stolen by our government.

You see it as progressive, I see it as theft.

We are fighting to keep our earnings in our pockets, not fighting to give more away?
What about the massive public debt?
I think by eliminating the trillions of dollars a month spent just on war would solve almost every issue we face in the states.
And thats just the tip of the iceberg of how our tax dollar could be used more effectively

[1338 h4x0r]

I think by eliminating the trillions of dollars a month spent just on war would solve almost every issue we face in the states.
And thats just the tip of the iceberg of how our tax dollar could be used more effectively

^^^^this

[Dr Hooch]

which is why I get so riled up whenever I hear how we need to emulate other western nations. Who the **** would want to if it costs more than it does now. Heck, we're trying to reduce the burden on the average American, not increase the amount stolen by our government.

You see it as progressive, I see it as theft.

We are fighting to keep our earnings in our pockets, not fighting to give more away?

Well people over here are pretty much "who cares" and also they like to have an excuse to sound indignant and say "you're spending our tax money HOW?!?!?" whilst secretly not being that arsed

The next election here is going to be so boring

Pretty much anyone who isn't a member of a party hates ALL of them

[ringworm]

Well people over here are pretty much "who cares" and also they like to have an excuse to sound indignant and say "you're spending our tax money HOW?!?!?" whilst secretly not being that arsed
thats sounds a lot like apathy?

while you guys may feel superior in the sense that we still have to play catch up on a few minor issues, at least understand that the average taxpayer over here hasnt given up yet and still fights against overtaxation and abuse, while it seems civilized western nations have just given up and bent over :p

[guitrguy]

You know taxes wouldn't need much increase if they got spending under control.

[dei]

You know taxes wouldn't need much increase if they got spending under control.

I love you.

[Knifeboy]

I haven't voted in a presidential election since 96. There. I confessed.

You don't live in a state where it matters anyway, do you?

[dei]

New York.

[ringworm]

You know taxes wouldn't need much increase if they got spending under control.
I love you.
i said that already :p

[The Stig]

Yeah but it sounds retarded because you're a skinny white boy from Philly.

If you lived in New York it'd make more sense.

And do you actually know what a schlemiel is?

I'm the skinny white boy from Philly I think. And there are a decent amount of Jewish people in the Philly area too.

[Dr Hooch]

thats sounds a lot like apathy?

while you guys may feel superior in the sense that we still have to play catch up on a few minor issues, at least understand that the average taxpayer over here hasnt given up yet and still fights against overtaxation and abuse, while it seems civilized western nations have just given up and bent over :p

I don't think "nationalised healthcare and a poor but functioning welfare system" really equate to anal rape, Burnsy.

[DBoons Ghost]

You don't live in a state where it matters anyway, do you?

I live in New York so no it doesn't matter. The college makes it impossible to have our vote count towards anything.

I vote in local elections though.

[ringworm]

I don't think "nationalised healthcare and a poor but functioning welfare system" really equate to anal rape, Burnsy.
if it works for you, fine, it wouldnt sit well over here to be overtaxed like that and hopefully we'll never have a system that requires that much funding from taxpayers, its just funny to hear the flaming about the US, then hear someone say that bitching about 50-60% is crazy because they get taxed even more than that and they dont complain

but go ahead and brag (i know I wouldnt) :)


Our only problem is getting our leaders to cut back on spending what we dont even have, using what we do provide better, and quit creating new programs to entice more spending and abuse

if we simply pulled the reins back a tad and put a leader who doesnt provoke needless hostility, we'd be set, and still enjoy taking home a large chunk of our earnings to spend on us, instead of everyone else

[Dr Hooch]

To be honest man since everyone's being taxed heavily it doesn't lead to much real difference

Besides if you're looking for someone to complient the british government (never mind the voting populace) you've got the wrong guy


I just don't think us having a bigger sales tax and a bigger income tax % for big earners is that big a deal

[Knifeboy]

Wages and prices seem to adjust pretty well to the high taxation here in europe, so it's not like we have less money in our hands, relatively speaking, compared to most americans. In fact I'd say that the vast majority of danes are richer than the vast majority of americans, sure it's a little harder to become insanely rich, but it's still possible : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A6rsk_Mc-Kinney_M%C3%B8ller

I'm not saying Americans would get richer if you raised your taxes (I'm not even saying america should raise taxes, cut military spending ftw), I'm just saying higher taxation doesn't necessarily mean that you would get poorer

[gregulus]

I live in New York so no it doesn't matter. The college makes it impossible to have our vote count towards anything.

I vote in local elections though.
isn't new york fairly liberal anyway? i didn't think NYU would have an enormous effect on a city that size.

[big80smullet]

HIgher taxes means more money for the government to use for infrastructure and social welfare etc. Im quite happy with the way australia is using its taxation right now.

Tbh america should be using the money they are spending on wars and make a nationalised health service (oh no then we'd be communists)

[guitrguy]

HIgher taxes means more money for the government to use for infrastructure and social welfare etc. Im quite happy with the way australia is using its taxation right now.

Tbh america should be using the money they are spending on wars and make a nationalised health service (oh no then we'd be communists)

You don't know how much I argue that point with my dad, but his response is always "I've seen top secret information, this is a necessary war."

[Smokey D]

Is your dad a general?

[Dave de Sylvia]

No he's the guy who directed Zeitgeist.

[guitrguy]

Is your dad a general?

Hes a Major going up for Lt. Colonel.

[Smokey D]

With top secret clearance?

[guitrguy]

Yeah, Top secret clearance goes all they down to enlisted. In fact a P.I. came to our house a few months ago to ask my mom questions about my dad. He was sent by the AF to make sure wasn't espousing anti-American beliefs. If he was they would have taken his clearance a way.

[Dave de Sylvia]

to make sure wasn't espousing anti-American beliefs
hahaha

[Smokey D]

Woah, the military has thought police? Weird.

Anyways, it's a load of crap that this war is necessary. Aside from oil, there's no one in the Middle East who can threaten the US.

[guitrguy]

They are pretty hardcore about almost everything. They'll rape you if they catch you slightly speeding on the base.

Yeah, I don't think he seen anything significant to make that statement. Its one of those sneaky cop-outs, imo.

[Against Miik!]

"I hate gooks"

-John McCain

You think we'll be reading that in history books many years from now? Its definitely right up there with quotes from Voltaire and Jefferson and everybody in between. Gosh I can't wait.

[guitrguy]

I loved watching Romney and McCain bitch like little girls last night.

[Tyr]

When will the primaries be done?

[guitrguy]

not until after march at least. A huge chunk is going to be knocked out Tuesday.

[Against Miik!]

I loved watching Romney and McCain bitch like little girls last night.

Paul made them look like bitches. I'm sorry if you don't like his stances, but he is the only one who doesn't talk down to people like a politician.

Primaries are not done until June, but the only ones left by then are Montana, South Dakota, and New Mexico for the Republicans. Those don't seem very important, but if the races stay close, it could come down to the wire.

[Tyr]

So Super Tuesday is next week?

[Against Miik!]

Maine has there Republican primary tommorow, then Super Tuesday.

I hate all these names the news stations come up with for Super Tuesday. I can't think of any right now, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

[guitrguy]

Paul made them look like bitches. I'm sorry if you don't like his stances, but he is the only one who doesn't talk down to people like a politician.
Oh he did. When I like how he called them out for bitching about nothing when they both have the same stance.

[Against Miik!]

Ha yeah on the war thing mostly. Whats the point of even having a debate if they say the same thing?

Huckabee got screwed. I can understand not giving Paul much time because he is not polling that well, but Huckabee still is polling well. Plus he has no money, so the debates are super crucial for him.

[guitrguy]

Its evidence that the media wants to shape the nominees.

[Against Miik!]

Thats been going on since Kennedy. Some people are waking up, the majority is not. It makes me sick to, that people don't vote on issues. Like McCain getting anti war votes? It would take 5 seconds on Youtube to see that he is the biggest pro war candidate out there, and Rudy just endorsed him! Then people wonder why they don't get what they voted for. And this isn't a joke either. Voting is kind of dumb when the elections are fixed, but if we overwhelmingly vote on way, there is no way to fix it.

[Der Übermensch]

Maine has there Republican primary tommorow, then Super Tuesday.


It'll be McCain... although I think Paul will have a good showing. We vote Democract, but are more Libertarian minded (I guess that comes from bordering NH...)

[Against Miik!]

New Hampshire didn't turn out so well though, especially for the Dems. There was like a 12 point swing between polls and the actual results, meaning Obama was dominating the polls and lost by a decent margin.

[Der Übermensch]

I couldn't guess who will win the Dem's in Maine...

[The Stig]

isn't new york fairly liberal anyway? i didn't think NYU would have an enormous effect on a city that size.

I think he's referring to the electoral college.

[DBoons Ghost]

New York City is liberal and democrat for the most part.

New York state is as well, but only because of the city. Most of the burbs are republican.

And yes I was referring to the electoral college.

[gregulus]

New York City is liberal and democrat for the most part.

New York state is as well, but only because of the city. Most of the burbs are republican.

And yes I was referring to the electoral college.

Oh. I thought you were talking about NYU. sorry.

[DBoons Ghost]

Oh. I thought you were talking about NYU. sorry.

No need for sorries dude!

NYU is full of phonies to be honest. They all talk a lot of crap but none of them live by the liberal highground they spew from.

The city itself has no choice but to be liberal as we have a very diverse group of people all living together. Tolerance is mandatory. Once you succumb to the joy of it all things become so much clearer. I feel as though I have a skewered perception of racism and classism as a result of this.

[guitrguy]

I have friends at NYU! :angry:

[The Stig]

I'm sorry.

[DBoons Ghost]

I have friends at NYU! :angry:

I doubt I can speak for every student in the school Brian!

[guitrguy]

I know, just giving you a hard time. :)

[Against Miik!]

It's sad though, that in today's political climate, only democrats can be associated with tolerance. That is not really how it is at all! It's just all these neo cons that give the rest of us actual republicans a bad name. Being a republican has nothing to do with being a social conservative. It's just been perverted to mean that.

[Dr Hooch]

It's sad though, that in today's political climate, only democrats can be associated with tolerance. That is not really how it is at all! It's just all these neo cons that give the rest of us actual republicans a bad name. Being a republican has nothing to do with being a social conservative. It's just been perverted to mean that.

:lol:

So reject the party and open to your eyes to the wonderful world of actual political opinions instead of the farce that is the 2 party system


And yes I was referring to the electoral college.

Electoral college sounds like the single best idea since women got the vote

[Against Miik!]

I do reject the party. I identify myself as a republican, but let people know that things are ****ed up. It will take a pretty large scale revolution to overhaul the party system in the states though.

[Dr Hooch]

I do reject the party. I identify myself as a republican, but let people know that things are ****ed up. It will take a pretty large scale revolution to overhaul the party system in the states though.

why


don't do it to yourself

[big80smullet]

in the states you basically have conservative or ultra conservative to choose from :lol:

[guitrguy]

:( unfortunately.

[Dr Hooch]

beats picking between middle ground policy free wishy washy pro tolerance pro green scandal and uh


uh


ummm


the monster raving loony party


(actually no it doesn't


MRLP for parliament)

[big80smullet]

:lol: you should have forced voting

[Dr Hooch]

I need to change where my vote is registered to where i go to uni so i can vote for them

"because ballot papers need a box for people not too lazy to vote but who have a fundamental objection to the farce of the whole process"

I mean sh'it i'm a middle class white boy and none of the candidates represent my interests

it must be pretty sh!tty for the rest of these guys

[Mr. Ron]

is it true that in America the poor are taxed more than the rich?

[dei]

Government takes 90%.

[McP3000]

is it true that in America the poor are taxed more than the rich?
what

[Knifeboy]

I'm sure there's a troubling amount of the really rich Americans that don't pay taxes at all

[Iscariot]

is it true that in America the poor are taxed more than the rich?

No the problem is that we're taxed too equally so what kills us barely dents the wealthy communities pocketbooks.

[Iscariot]

I'm sure there's a troubling amount of the really rich Americans that don't pay taxes at all

I know people who don't pay taxes and they aren't rich.

[Iscariot]

I forgot what I was talking about what's up guys.

[Smokey D]

I thought one of the big problems was that rich people could afford fancy tax lawyers who contrived of ways to avoid paying taxes while poor people have to pay it all.

[Iscariot]

I thought one of the big problems was that rich people could afford fancy tax lawyers who contrived of ways to avoid paying taxes while poor people have to pay it all.

That too.

[Reaganista]

i thought the problem was poor and rich doesn't necessarily correlate to income

[McP3000]

I'm sure there's a troubling amount of the really rich Americans that don't pay taxes at all
Trust me there isn't. The IRS gets a raging boner everytime they even think someone is even slightly cheating their taxes.
In fact the lowest tier of income in America doesn't even have to pay taxes.

No the problem is that we're taxed too equally so what kills us barely dents the wealthy communities pocketbooks.
I wasn't aware that taxation was a form of punishment against the ..."rich" for being..."rich"

I know people who don't pay taxes and they aren't rich.
Again, the lowest tier doesn't have to pay taxes...

I thought one of the big problems was that rich people could afford fancy tax lawyers who contrived of ways to avoid paying taxes while poor people have to pay it all.
Not really. At all.

i thought the problem was poor and rich doesn't necessarily correlate to income
what

[gregulus]

Trust me there isn't. The IRS gets a raging boner everytime they even think someone is even slightly cheating their taxes.
In fact the lowest tier of income in America doesn't even have to pay taxes.


I wasn't aware that taxation was a form of punishment against the ..."rich" for being..."rich"


Again, the lowest tier doesn't have to pay taxes...


Not really. At all.


what
the lowest tier being $0 - $7825. If you're trying to live off of $7825, you're ****ed anyway.

[McP3000]

the lowest tier being $0 - $7825. If you're trying to live off of $7825, you're ****ed anyway.
ok

whats your point

[Knifeboy]

what


You can be insanely rich, yet have no income...

[McP3000]

You can be insanely rich, yet have no income...
There are other taxes though

like...property :confused:

[gregulus]

ok

whats your point

that you're "the lowest bracket doesn't pay taxes" statement doesn't hold any argumentative value.

[guitrguy]

Thats why capitalism works :rolleyes:

[Reaganista]

Trust me there isn't. The IRS gets a raging boner everytime they even think someone is even slightly cheating their taxes.
In fact the lowest tier of income in America doesn't even have to pay taxes.
why would i trust you
especially when you're wrong

I wasn't aware that taxation was a form of punishment against the ..."rich" for being..."rich"

it's not

Again, the lowest tier doesn't have to pay taxes...

the lowest earners dont have to pay federal income tax
that's it

Not really. At all.

except for some of them


what
i thought the problem was poor and rich doesn't necessarily correlate to income
There are other taxes though

like...property
likewise poor and rich doesn't necessarily correlate to property
and property tax varies wildly by jurisdiction
and property tax isnt even progressive

[Dave de Sylvia]

You guys have property tax that isn't related to the sale of property?

[Dr Hooch]

Oh god


I used to really love the V for Vendetta film

but watching it now having read the graphic novel





ugh it's just so preachy and unsubtle

there's no moral ambiguity whatsoever it's like ****ing return to castle wolfenstein

[Dave de Sylvia]

um wat

[guitrguy]

You guys have property tax that isn't related to the sale of property?
It different state to state and even city to city. As far as I know its just on the sale of property.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Sale of property is income then, innit?

[guitrguy]

It should be counted as income if its not.

/has never bought or sold property.

[Reaganista]

you have to pay property tax every year
it's based on the value of your property as appraised by the government
it's got nothing to do with sale

[spitfirejunky]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAH
AHAHA GIANTS WON!!!

[Against Miik!]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg

So what is going to happen in the middle east? These four internet cables have been cut. I have never heard of this happening before, and all of a sudden, four of these things are cut? And they aren't like thin telephone wire either. These are THICK cables. Obviously it was the result of some premeditated act. The question is who would do this (I think we know that), and more importantly, why?

[Dr Hooch]

"Ship's achor cut through two cables...."

?

[Against Miik!]

Well they didn't. Thats an old graphic. Well, relatively old. There have been two more severed since then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Submarine_cable_cross-section_3D_plain.svg

here is what those ships would have to cut through

[Iscariot]

Trust me there isn't. The IRS gets a raging boner everytime they even think someone is even slightly cheating their taxes.

The IRS takes years to file the appropriate paperwork to even begin prosecuting someone for tax evasion.

In fact the lowest tier of income in America doesn't even have to pay taxes.

That's because they don't contribute or draw financially from the government. They're homeless and don't make any money.

I wasn't aware that taxation was a form of punishment against the ..."rich" for being..."rich"

No that's the problem is that it should be. If you have more money to contribute you should contribute more money. Billionaires don't need billions of dollars to survive. I live on about $20/week.

Again, the lowest tier doesn't have to pay taxes...

That isn't why the people I know don't pay taxes.

[Amit]

while i agree with you jared

if all billionaires spent $20 a week on living expenses then we wouldn't be here on the internet talking about such hypotheticals

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

jared how much does ur pot cost and internet

[Iscariot]

while i agree with you jared

if all billionaires spent $20 a week on living expenses then we wouldn't be here on the internet talking about such hypotheticals

I know I was just making a point.

jared how much does ur pot cost and internet

About $20 every Friday on pay day and internet is part of a package with our phone and TV service so it's all included in one monthly bill. It's cheaper that way.

Weed is a weekend expense but we spend about $20 or less throughout the week on groceries and shi. I eat a lot of peanut butter.

[griftadan]

MIPs suck

[Dr Hooch]

Well they didn't. Thats an old graphic. Well, relatively old. There have been two more severed since then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Submarine_cable_cross-section_3D_plain.svg

here is what those ships would have to cut through

A) that diagram lacks scale

and

B) Have you any idea how big ships get



however if more have been cut that makes it obviously more suspicious

I'm just saying

these cables aren't invincible

[Smokey D]

No that's the problem is that it should be. If you have more money to contribute you should contribute more money. Billionaires don't need billions of dollars to survive. I live on about $20/week.


Food rent and bills?

[Dr Hooch]

that's £10 or so isn't it


Hell call it £20 for the higher cost of living


My rent & food must still be like 6x that (although i'm in halls so it is bound to be)

but still

[Smokey D]

I pay like $170 for bills and rent, another $60 for food and another $50 for miscellaneous expenses.

[McP3000]

I pay like $170 for bills and rent, another $60 for food and another $50 for miscellaneous expenses.
Wow
Cheap lifestyle

do want

[Smokey D]

That'd be in budget, but no one ever sticks to those.

[PerpetualBurn]

Anyone else noticed just how good Cloverfield is?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Yeah it was pretty awesome. Seems like a one-time deal though, I probably wouldn't watch it again in a hurry.

[PerpetualBurn]

I don't know if it would have the same impact if I watch it again on the small screen, but I found it to be one of the most immersive films I've ever seen.

[big80smullet]

A) that diagram lacks scale

and

B) Have you any idea how big ships get



however if more have been cut that makes it obviously more suspicious

I'm just saying

these cables aren't invincible

Follow the link and it tells you its 30mm across. just over an inch for amerikkkans

[PerpetualBurn]

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/rambo-kill-chart.jpg

I'm deffers looking forward to Rambo IV.

2.59 deaths per minute? I think so.

[McP3000]

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/rambo-kill-chart.jpg

I'm deffers looking forward to Rambo IV.

2.59 deaths per minute? I think so.
Wow

if i had to kill 2.59 people per minute my hands would get cramps

[Dave de Sylvia]

I don't know if it would have the same impact if I watch it again on the small screen, but I found it to be one of the most immersive films I've ever seen.
Me too. I liked the way they didn't cop out on the ending either.

[PerpetualBurn]

The only thing that annoyed me was, and I won't mention detail and ruin it for anyone, how many people leaving the cinema had clearly failed to comprehend the film.

It was sort of like Cube meets The Warriors meets Godzilla.

[gregulus]

best rambo quotes ever:

"they drew first blood"

and

"**** the world"

[Mr. Ron]

I've never seen a Rambo movie.


I'm sorry. :(

[Reaganista]

rambo is ****in unwatchable **** all of it

[Tyr]

The first one is pretty good. After that they deteriorate.

[Mr. Ron]

All I know is that he kills people with a compound bow. That kind of makes me want to check it out.

[Dr Hooch]

I've never seen a Rambo movie.


I'm sorry. :(

The first one is a legitimately great peice of action cinema


the other two are dire

[guitrguy]

MIPs suck

Yes they do. How much is yours?

[Dr Hooch]

All I know is that he kills people with a compound bow. That kind of makes me want to check it out.

At one point he adds HE heads to his arrows and then fires them at single infantrymen?

The helicopter duel also requires some pretty massive suspention of disbelief

[Mr. Ron]

Great, now I have to go rent it.

[Against Miik!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU7AugEq2Ug

D-Kuch is a nice guy and everything, but this is a case where you have not listen to politicians who say they want to fight corporate interests, like himself and Edwards. There is a difference between taking money from corporations and creating a hostile environment where the economy cannot flourish. That is why Cleveland sucks right now. There are zero incentives for businesses to move there, and it's Kucinich's fault.

There isn't really a point to this. Mainly I'm just saying that just fighting "corporate interests" isn't always a good thing.

[PerpetualBurn]

the other two are dire

What the hell are you talking about?

Did you not see the kill chart?

[Dr Hooch]

What the hell are you talking about?

Did you not see the kill chart?

They're the single most overtly right thing i've seen since the nuremburg rallies











(also i have stood on that actual pedestal)

[Mr. Ron]

Hooch ist krieg

[Dr Hooch]

Hooch ist Antipolitik

[Mr. Ron]

http://i27.tinypic.com/fqlvs.jpg

[YDtoad]

i got vertigo just watching this:
http://break.com/index/crazy-kid-does-pull-ups-off-crane.html

[gregulus]

rambo is absurd.



so absurd it's awesome.