PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Yield]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080112/ap_on_re_us/missing_marine

Hmm, I never really payed attention to this story until now, and I'm kind of interested because I think my dad helped work on the case when he was stationed in Camp Lejeune. Apparently the case was (if this is even the right Marine story) she had gotten drunk at a party and a guy raped her while she was asleep. I'll have to follow this and figure out the correct story.

[guitrguy]

So, on my way to work this morning I saw a "nice" line of ron paul signs on the side of the interstate.

[Mr. Ron]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mona-lisa-model-identified-experts-say/20080114155109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[Smokey D]

The identity of the Mona Lisa sitter wasn't really in doubt in the art history community. That's much more of an urban legend than a real dispute.

[guitrguy]

I don't believe Sean Penn.

[gregulus]

the other day i asked an art history major what artists i should look into and the first thing she said was dali. i had more higher expectations. i was let down.

[guitrguy]

lol, did you ask to test her?

[gregulus]

lol, did you ask to test her?
no, i wanted to see some new art.

[ringworm]

lol, flame me for posting this, but has anyone heard Britney Spear's new British accent? :) :)

[DBoons Ghost]

lol, flame me for posting this, but has anyone heard Britney Spear's new British accent? :) :)

It's Madonna's fault.

[McP3000]

Wow, do i hate both of those bitches....so very very much

[Reaganista]

why they're both awesome

[DBoons Ghost]

Yeah I dig Madonna. I also would love to see Britney straighten her life out and come back strong.

[guitrguy]

I don't understand how britney doesn't see what a big cluster **** her life is.

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm sure she does actually with every channel covering her life like it was the only story in town.

There's got to be more going on there. No one is that much of a mess. Either her PR lady is a press whore or I dunno what.

[guitrguy]

idk, but just seems like she caught up in herself and what she wants right now. I don't think she even thinks about 5 min into the future.

Pure speculation, of course.

[DBoons Ghost]

idk, but just seems like she caught up in herself and what she wants right now. I don't think she even thinks about 5 min into the future.

Pure speculation, of course.

Yeah but it makes sense. I couldn't imagine being that out of touch with my life.

[ringworm]

i've pondered this

she is now dating a former paprazzi, he has connections, right

they get constantly clicked kissing, shopping etc

she currently needs money

he knows where to sell pics, which ones get top dollar and could easily get a friend in the business to snap shots at predetermined locations

voila, instant income for both

[guitrguy]

Drug use is reported, and the way she is acting I think its something more than pot. Then again she might be playing a huge joke on America.

[DBoons Ghost]

Drug use is reported, and the way she is acting I think its something more than pot. Then again she might be playing a huge joke on America.

Huge joke? At the expense of losing her kids and all her money and credibility?

Well, credibility doesn't exist in Hollywoodland.

[guitrguy]

She certainly doesn't seem to give a **** about her kids.

[DBoons Ghost]

She certainly doesn't seem to give a **** about her kids.

It's the American way!

[McP3000]

NOTHING TO LOOK AT HERE

GO AWAY

fin

[guitrguy]

uh oh, someones gonna get b&

[McP3000]

uh oh, someones gonna get b&
SHHH

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

I don't understand how britney doesn't see what a big cluster **** her life is.
its proly not that bad

[guitrguy]

yeah blowing your children off for parties and drugs is definitely not that bad.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

how do you know shes done that


and even if its true which it may be, just because you have doesnt mean you cant party anymore, as long as theyre not there/taken care of

[guitrguy]

how do you know shes done that


and even if its true which it may be, just because you have doesnt mean you cant party anymore, as long as theyre not there/taken care of

Its not so much that she doing it, but the fact she has court dates to keep her children, but she doesn't show up and is spotted out doing whatever she wants. The fact she is not willing to tone it down in the interim to get some heat off her and keep hers kids is an indicator of where her priorities lie.

There's nothing wrong with partying if she takes cares of her kids, but a major part of the case is that shes letting the care of her kids suffer for the sake of her vices.

[Hababi]

Michigan sucks.

But Cloverfield pwns.

[IDEA]

Cloverfield is supposed to be a monster flick, yes?

[Hababi]

Cloverfield is supposed to be a monster flick, yes?

that's simplifying it. It's a work of genius.

[Smokey D]

What exactly happened in the Michigan primary? I don't really understand it. The Democrat candidates all pulled out, so the Democrat voters all voted McCain or something?

[Hababi]

What exactly happened in the Michigan primary? I don't really understand it. The Democrat candidates all pulled out, so the Democrat voters all voted McCain or something?

Yeah, since it was a given that Hillary was going to win, and it's an open primary, a bunch of Democrats voted for Romney, only to screw the guy who they don't want to face. Entirely legal, but deeply unethical and downright reprehensible.

[guitrguy]

Omg strategy is unethical.

[Hababi]

Omg strategy is unethical.

The primary is about voting for who you want to see get the nomination and become president, not screwing over the other side of the isle. If you don't understand this then you don't understand Democracy.

[guitrguy]

The primary is about voting for who you want to see get the nomination and become president, not screwing over the other side of the isle. If you don't understand this then you don't understand Democracy.

No, you're just being overly idealistic. I don't see how motivation is your, or any one else's concern. Beautiful thing about democracy is it allows for freedom, and why a person voted is not a good reason to bitch. You have to accept the positives as well of as the negatives.

[Hababi]

No, you're just being overly idealistic.

It's not idealism. It's the point of the primary system. Take a class on it.


I don't see how motivation is your, or any one else's concern.

We're supposed to be finding the best leader for the country, not sabotaging the opposing party. John McCain is the best possible choice, and the pathetic cowards of the netroots circle know this and are afraid, very very afraid.

[Against Miik!]

Um the way I heard it was that the DNC penalized Michigan for moving their primary date up too early or something. It wasn't that the candidates pulled out or anything, its just that there was no democratic primary.

[Hababi]

Um the way I heard it was that the DNC penalized Michigan for moving their primary date up too early or something. It wasn't that the candidates pulled out or anything, its just that there was no democratic primary.

there still was and Hillary didn't pull out because she's not an ethical politician.

[Smokey D]

The primary is about voting for who you want to see get the nomination and become president, not screwing over the other side of the isle. If you don't understand this then you don't understand Democracy.

Strategic voting is democratic.

[guitrguy]

It's not idealism. It's the point of the primary system. Take a class on it.having a point is having an ideal. Take a class on basic logic.


We're supposed to be finding the best leader for the country, not sabotaging the opposing party. John McCain is the best possible choice, and the pathetic cowards of the netroots circle know this and are afraid, very very afraid.
You just can't can't see out of your narrow world view sometimes.

[Hababi]

Strategic voting is democratic.

The philosophy of Democracy is that we go to the polls and choose who we want to lead. The philosophy of Machiavellian cowards is that we ought to go sabotage the other side. It's one step up from outright fraud.

[Against Miik!]

there still was and Hillary didn't pull out because she's not an ethical politician.

Wow what a bitch. The delegates still don't count though, right?

[Hababi]

Wow what a bitch. The delegates still don't count though, right?

they reduced the number but I don't know if they're going the whole way and taking away all the delegates.

[guitrguy]

I did happen to catch Romney's pre-primary speech, and the only thing I got from him was that he is more arrogant and a worse at relating with others than Al Gore.

[Smokey D]

The philosophy of Democracy is that we go to the polls and choose who we want to lead. The philosophy of Machiavellian cowards is that we ought to go sabotage the other side. It's one step up from outright fraud.

Lol, philosophy of democracy. What the hell is that?

Also, there's nothing 'Machiavellian' about using the polls to engineer victory for your side. That's rather the point.

[Hababi]

Lol, philosophy of democracy. What the hell is that?

Democracy is a philosophy.


Also, there's nothing 'Machiavellian' about using the polls to engineer victory for your side. That's rather the point.

You engineer victory for your side by going out and voting for the candidate who you want to see win.

[guitrguy]

The philosophy of Democracy is that we go to the polls and choose who we want to lead. The philosophy of Machiavellian cowards is that we ought to go sabotage the other side. It's one step up from outright fraud.
funny how we really aren't a democracy, if you really want to get into it.

[Hababi]

funny how we really aren't a democracy, if you really want to get into it.

yes we are.

[Against Miik!]

I think candidates have very little to do with it. They are merely operating within the current system that is the election in the U.S. Everybody knows its very hard to run a clean campaign and still win.

edit: Democracy, republic, fascism in progress, its all the same

[Hababi]

I think candidates have very little to do with it. They are merely operating within the current system that is the election in the U.S. Everybody knows its very hard to run a clean campaign and still win.

The problem is with the party structure. It suffocates individualism and seeks a sort of Stalinist, party-centric mindset. Obama and McCain are favored by a broad crossection of Americans, but the party forces oppose them because they can't control them.

[guitrguy]

Democracy is a philosophy.
We are a republic, again if you want to get fancy.



You engineer victory for your side by going out and voting for the candidate who you want to see win.

by that logic I should never vote.

[Hababi]

We are an elective republic, again if you want to get fancy.


Which is a form of democracy.




by that logic I should never vote.

No, you should vote for who you most want to see become president.

[Smokey D]

Democracy is a philosophy.


Not really. Democracy is part of multiple, occasionally competing, philosophies.

You engineer victory for your side by going out and voting for the candidate who you want to see win.

Not if that's going to make you lose.


The problem is with the party structure. It suffocates individualism and seeks a sort of Stalinist, party-centric mindset. Obama and McCain are favored by a broad crossection of Americans, but the party forces oppose them because they can't control them.

HAH! you're comparing the Democratic National Congress to Stalinism?

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funny how we really aren't a democracy, if you really want to get into it.

'A democracy' doesn't really mean much. Democracy is a mode of choosing government for a variety of government systems.

[guitrguy]

i know, he just likes to morph terms when its suits him.

Which is a form of democracy. So you agree china is a democracy?



No, you should vote for who you most want to see become president.

So I shouldn't ever vote, by your logic.

[Against Miik!]

Actually you have the duty to vote for the lesser of two evils every 4 years. Thats what being a good citizen is all about.


HAH! you're comparing the Democratic National Congress to Stalinism?



Those who have the ability to give you everything also have the ability to take it all away. I think LBJ said that. I forget. Anyways, yeah Stalinism.

[Hababi]

Not really. Democracy is part of multiple, occasionally competing, philosophies.

Part of? There really hasn't been much of a competing philosophy in America in quite a long time. The belief is that the people get to choose who they want to lead them. Well, that's not what the Democrats who tried to sabotage the Republican primary did.



Not if that's going to make you lose.


:confused:


HAH! you're comparing the Democratic National Congress to Stalinism?

Not just the Democrats, the Republicans are guilty of it too. Squashing individualism and dissent, searching for someone who's willing to do and say everything that is expected of them by the big money players and forces. The will of the people of America would have Obama vs McCain. That election would do our country proud. But the party regimes are subverting this.



'A democracy' doesn't really mean much. Democracy is a mode of choosing government for a variety of government systems.

Democracy entails no set method. We have direct democracies, and republics. We have parliaments and executives. We have a variety of ways to pursue Democratic rule, that is that people get to see who they want to see lead them.

[guitrguy]

Part of? There really hasn't been much of a competing philosophy in America in quite a long time. The belief is that the people get to choose who they want to lead them. Well, that's not what the Democrats who tried to sabotage the Republican primary did.They did, there's little point in voting for a landslide victor. Ensuring your party is much smarter than attempting to ensure your candidate.



Those who have the ability to give you everything also have the ability to take it all away. I think LBJ said that. I forget. Anyways, yeah Stalinism.And those who do little to protect you allow others to take it all from you.

[Smokey D]

Part of? There really hasn't been much of a competing philosophy in America in quite a long time. The belief is that the people get to choose who they want to lead them. Well, that's not what the Democrats who tried to sabotage the Republican primary did.


Democracy is part of a variety of ideologies and philosophies ranging from liberalism to communism and the various subsets therein.

:confused:

Majority rule means you can't vote for the person you want and expect to win. You have to make compromises and that means you occasionally need to engage in strategic voting.

Not just the Democrats, the Republicans are guilty of it too. Squashing individualism and dissent, searching for someone who's willing to do and say everything that is expected of them by the big money players and forces. The will of the people of America would have Obama vs McCain. That election would do our country proud. But the party regimes are subverting this.


No, I just thought your comparison was hyberbolic and retarded.

But 'squashing individualism' results from presidentialism in general, not 'Stalinist tendencies' in the two parties.


Democracy entails no set method. We have direct democracies, and republics. We have parliaments and executives. We have a variety of ways to pursue Democratic rule, that is that people get to see who they want to see lead them.

Yeah, I know. That's what I was saying.

[Futue te Ipsum]

compeltely unrelated, but I've completely ****ed up my leg and have to limp everywhere.

It looks rediculous. If I hadn't been the victim, I'd probably laugh at me :(

[guitrguy]

I don't laugh at people with a limp, tbh. What happened to your leg?

[gregulus]

compeltely unrelated, but I've completely ****ed up my leg and have to limp everywhere.

It looks rediculous. If I hadn't been the victim, I'd probably laugh at me :(

what'd you do?

[spitfirejunky]

compeltely unrelated, but I've completely ****ed up my leg and have to limp everywhere.

It looks rediculous. If I hadn't been the victim, I'd probably laugh at me :(

:eek:

[Futue te Ipsum]

That's why my hand writing is awful in real life. Can't notice that if you can't read it.

[Hababi]

Democracy is part of a variety of ideologies and philosophies ranging from liberalism to communism and the various subsets therein.

Communism isn't a democratic idealogy. Liberalism is a philosophy that basically exists within Democracy. Without Democracy, there really isn't the possibility for liberalism.



Majority rule means you can't vote for the person you want and expect to win. You have to make compromises and that means you occasionally need to engage in strategic voting.


Even then, the idea is to vote for who you think would better serve the country. If you do anything else, you're putting your party above your country, and that is wrong.



But 'squashing individualism' results from presidentialism in general, not 'Stalinist tendencies' in the two parties.


Presidentialism?


Yeah, I know. That's what I was saying.

But so the whole point is still to vote for who you'd rather have leading the country.

[Reaganista]

You engineer victory for your side by going out and voting for the candidate who you want to see win.
lol?

Communism isn't a democratic idealogy. Liberalism is a philosophy that basically exists within Democracy. Without Democracy, there really isn't the possibility for liberalism.
sure there is

[ringworm]

the american way, find a loophole and exploit it

[Hababi]

the american way, find a loophole and exploit it

That's basically what it is. I think that having an open primary should be tied to some provision mandating that if the person you vote for in the primary wins it, you must vote for him/her in the general election.

[Smokey D]

Communism isn't a democratic idealogy. Liberalism is a philosophy that basically exists within Democracy. Without Democracy, there really isn't the possibility for liberalism.

Communism has democratic forms.

But seriously though, there isn't a 'philosophy of democracy'. Democracy is a method, not a philosophy.

Even then, the idea is to vote for who you think would better serve the country. If you do anything else, you're putting your party above your country, and that is wrong.

No, the idea is to ensure who you think would better serve your country wins the election.

Presidentialism?

A system of government where the head of state is elected separately from the legislature, and has separate and broad ranging powers.


But so the whole point is still to vote for who you'd rather have leading the country.

No, the whole point is to put power in the hands of the people and see how they go.


That's basically what it is. I think that having an open primary should be tied to some provision mandating that if the person you vote for in the primary wins it, you must vote for him/her in the general election.

What if they become a raving lunatic in the time in between?

[Hababi]

Communism has democratic forms.

When Communism exists democratically, it ceases to be Communism.

But seriously though, there isn't a 'philosophy of democracy'. Democracy is a method, not a philosophy.

We already established that Democracy entails no set method, so this is hardly sufficient.



No, the idea is to ensure who you think would better serve your country wins the election.

...by giving them your vote.



A system of government where the head of state is elected separately from the legislature, and has separate and broad ranging powers.

That doesn't defeat individualism. Teddy Roosevelt was an individualist.




No, the whole point is to put power in the hands of the people and see how they go.

Trying to sabotage the other side is trying to take the power out of their hands.



What if they become a raving lunatic in the time in between?

What if they became a raving lunatic the day after winning the general election vote?

[ringworm]

That's basically what it is
I SPEAK DEH TRUTH

now go vote for Ron Paul :)



who saw The Universe last night, wow, dark matter, dark energy, expanding universe actually speeding up…boner :)

[Reaganista]

That's basically what it is. I think that having an open primary should be tied to some provision mandating that if the person you vote for in the primary wins it, you must vote for him/her in the general election.
wat

[Amit]

that's the most democratic idea ever!

[Smokey D]

When Communism exists democratically, it ceases to be Communism.

Not really.

We already established that Democracy entails no set method, so this is hardly sufficient.

Democracy is any form of government where power is invested in the people.

...by giving them your vote. [/quote

If that's all it takes, yes.

[quote]That doesn't defeat individualism. Teddy Roosevelt was an individualist.

No, those features don't. The fact that presidents are singular while legislatures are composite does. That is to say, because it is a zero-sum game, presidentialism encourages polarisation and division to a far greater extent than more parliamentary systems.

Trying to sabotage the other side is trying to take the power out of their hands.

Yeah, um, so is voting for the other guy.

What if they became a raving lunatic the day after winning the general election vote?

Then you'd impeach him for incompetence and inability to carry out the duties of office, but that's not the question.

[Hababi]

Not really.

Communism is fundamentally opposed to Democracy. You can not have Democracy because you can not undermine the dialectic.



Democracy is any form of government where power is invested in the people.


And that makes it a philosophy of government, not a form.


If that's all it takes, yes.


That's what voting exists for. Trying to sabotage the other side is little different than ballot box stuffing.


presidentialism encourages polarisation and division to a far greater extent than more parliamentary systems.


That's why I'm beginning to wonder if a parliamentary system isn't better.


Yeah, um, so is voting for the other guy.

No, then you're trying to vote in the person you support.



Then you'd impeach him for incompetence and inability to carry out the duties of office, but that's not the question.

So just as there are mechanisms to prevent a raving lunatic from taking office, so there would be from him/her becoming the nominee.

[Smokey D]

Communism is fundamentally opposed to Democracy. You can not have Democracy because you can not undermine the dialectic.


Actually, bourgeois democracy and communist democracy (in the post-state utopia Marx envisioned) are the ineluctable results of the dialectic, not opposing forces.

And that makes it a philosophy of government, not a form.


It makes it a method since lots of philosophies give power to the people.

That's what voting exists for. Trying to sabotage the other side is little different than ballot box stuffing.

Aside from it being legal and not exerting undue influence on the election.

That's why I'm beginning to wonder if a parliamentary system isn't better.


Well, the counter argument is that sovereign parliaments dominated by one party have far greater powers of exclusion than even a president.

It's an ongoing debate.

No, then you're trying to vote in the person you support.


If my candidate can only get in by me voting for his opposition in a primary, then I am obliged to vote for his opposition.


So just as there are mechanisms to prevent a raving lunatic from taking office, so there would be from him/her becoming the nominee.

What if my interests change or if he does a policy shift that I'm uncomfortable with. The flip flopping of the last campaign is reason enough for your idea to be thrown out.

[Hababi]

Actually, bourgeois democracy and communist democracy (in the post-state utopia Marx envisioned) are the ineluctable results of the dialectic, not opposing forces.

And until you get to that make-believe utopia, any interference is unacceptable.



It makes it a method since lots of philosophies give power to the people.

Like what?



Aside from it being legal and not exerting undue influence on the election.

It is exerting undue influence. You're ignoring what primaries are in place to do. It is unethical to try to rig the other side's vote.



Well, the counter argument is that sovereign parliaments dominated by one party have far greater powers of exclusion than even a president.

It's an ongoing debate.


eg Singapore? Honestly I think a parliament provides better representation.


If my candidate can only get in by me voting for his opposition in a primary, then I am obliged to vote for his opposition.

That would involve seeing the future.



What if my interests change or if he does a policy shift that I'm uncomfortable with. The flip flopping of the last campaign is reason enough for your idea to be thrown out.

What if he or she does that after you vote for them in the general election? There's never a guarantee that they'll do what you want them to do.

[Smokey D]

And until you get to that make-believe utopia, any interference is unacceptable.


The dialectic can not be disrupted. Any attempts to interfere are examples of class conflict and merely confirm the dialectic.

Besides, Marxists consider bourgeois democracy necessary and, relative to the previous modes of production and political economy (ie feudalism), highly desirable.

Like what?


Like various forms of liberalism, republicanism, constitutional monarchy, anarchism etc.

It is exerting undue influence. You're ignoring what primaries are in place to do. It is unethical to try to rig the other side's vote.


Not really. It's hardly undue influence, anyway.

Singapore? Honestly I think a parliament provides better representation.


It probably depends more on the electoral rules themselves than presidentialism or parliamentarianism, though presidentialism is inherently exclusivist. Any FPP system causes polarisation and can be dominated by one party. This includes places like Britain.

That would involve seeing the future.


That's not relevant


What if he or she does that after you vote for them in the general election? There's never a guarantee that they'll do what you want them to do.

So? The primaries don't bind my vote and aren't intended to. Since you're so concerned about the primaries fulfilling only their stated role, you can't go around changing things like this.

[Iskandar]

When Communism exists democratically, it ceases to be Communism.Do I really have to explain the difference, yet again, between Communism, the Marxist-Leninist state, and communism, an economic ideology based around common ownership of property?

Communists: Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Lowercase-c communists: Early Christians, kibbutzniks, probably some short-lived anarchist revolutions somewhere.

Jeez, I never thought I'd have to do that again.

[IDEA]

It's Serenity.

[guitrguy]

Hahaha, how many accounts do you need?

[Iskandar]

A veritable brick wall.

If I can understand the difference between Catholicism and catholicism, he can understand the different between Communism and communism.:p

Check out the difference between Republicans and republicans, Libertarians and libertarians, and why the Liberal Party in Australia is actually the conservative party. Or how the National Socialist Party espoused Social Darwinism, class collaboration and corporatism, or how the Democratic Republic of North Korea is actually the world's worst dictatorship.

I couldn't resist a little ranting.

[The Stig]

That's basically what it is. I think that having an open primary should be tied to some provision mandating that if the person you vote for in the primary wins it, you must vote for him/her in the general election.

That's one of the most asinine posts I've seen you make recently...

[Dr Hooch]

AMERICA

Are the primaries some kind of consitution thing or just done for convinience by the leading political parties

and if the latter

what is steve smoking

[The Stig]

It's more a convenience thing as far as I know. Just lets the parties know who they should select as their candidate.

[Iskandar]

If you had a parliamentary system, it wouldn't take over an entire year to hold an election.

[guitrguy]

I don't thinks its our system as much as its the people who are in charge.

[IDEA]

Hahaha, how many accounts do you need?

Iskandar asked how many times he needs to explain whatever and I meant to say it's pointless to repeat things for Serenity because he cannot be convinced to think otherwise.

[guitrguy]

Iskandar asked how many times he needs to explain whatever and I meant to say it's pointless to repeat things for Serenity because he cannot be convinced to think otherwise.

I misread you're post. I thought you were serenity, but yeah I agree.

[Against Miik!]

I stumbled upon this website issue2008.com. It looks to be a really good tool for studying the major players in the upcoming presidential election, and looks at a wide array of issues. It seemingly does not favor one party or candidate, so I think it offers a fair and unbiased tool for looking at the candidate. You all should probably check this out to become more informed for our discussions of the elections, because their is a lot of not necessarily wrong, but perhaps misinformed comments made.

[spitfirejunky]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/spitfirejunky/huh.png

[guitrguy]

I've just been seeing gay fitness ads lately.

[spitfirejunky]

Yeah. :X

[Dr Hooch]

I stumbled upon this website issue2008.com. It looks to be a really good tool for studying the major players in the upcoming presidential election, and looks at a wide array of issues. It seemingly does not favor one party or candidate, so I think it offers a fair and unbiased tool for looking at the candidate. You all should probably check this out to become more informed for our discussions of the elections, because their is a lot of not necessarily wrong, but perhaps misinformed comments made.

I never realised how one dimensional all your candidates were

[YDtoad]

It's more a convenience thing as far as I know. Just lets the parties know who they should select as their candidate.

More than that. The primaries now decide who the candidates are. And they exist so that people who agree with the candidates go out and support them.

[monkeysonmars.]

random fact for the day.

we could eliminate preventable diseases in the developing world for what the EU spends on pet food each year (saving 11m kids under 5 every year off the bat).

it would be cool if someone could find out how many pets that exactly was and therefore the value of each child in furry fun, 1 four year old = 1 dog??

[spitfirejunky]

We can't really tell the pharmaceutical industry what to do.

[Knifeboy]

i can

[monkeysonmars.]

who said anything about companies? these drugs have a price, we could pay it, we spend it on dog food instead. that's assuming the price they quote is the retail price of the drug because the price to make the drug is probably very very low.

[Hababi]

Barrack HUSSEIN Obama omg black muslim!!!!! facts

http://obama.3cdn.net/f9a25fca23f464dd07_8rdmvbduw.mp3

The Clinton camp at their race-baiting, politics of divisiveness best.

[Amit]

cluntin can go die in a hole

[Mr. Ron]

agreed.

[guitrguy]

I really think Obama is going to take SC. I'm also glad to see Mitt Romney fall to third in SC.

[Iskandar]

I really think Obama is going to take SC. I'm also glad to see Mitt Romney fall to third in SC.Honestly all the Republican frontrunners are the same. Mitt Romney is just scarier.

[guitrguy]

And way more arrogant. He acts like he knows everything, been everywhere, and experienced everything.

[Hababi]

Honestly all the Republican frontrunners are the same. Mitt Romney is just scarier.

McCain is consistent and principled, whereas Romney is a panderer. McCain is right on global warming and a realist on jobs. And, McCain was right about the surge.

McCain is the best candidate. Obama is second. Bloomberg, should he run, is third.

[Iskandar]

McCain is the best candidate. Obama is second. Bloomberg, should he run, is third.Seeing how the first primaries have already begun, I'd say he's not running...

[guitrguy]

The talk has been independent, if he were to run.

[Iskandar]

The talk has been independent, if he were to run.Independents never win.

[guitrguy]

Neither do people with good ideas, even if they run as democrat or republican.

[gregulus]

McCain is consistent and principled, whereas Romney is a panderer. McCain is right on global warming and a realist on jobs. And, McCain was right about the surge.

McCain is the best candidate. Obama is second. Bloomberg, should he run, is third.
mccain is hardly the best candidate, steve. maybe the best republican, but that's not saying much.

[McP3000]

Ron Paul is the best Republican
McCain is the most electable Republican, who pisses me off the least of the electable Republicans

I'll probably vote for McCain in 08 because i'd rather for anyone over the terrible twosome.

[ringworm]

mccains eagerness to war and the lack of another decent (that could actually get a ticket) Rep is enough for me to vote Dem this year




maybe even Hilary :amaze:


edit: just realized that is a contradiction, most Dems (frontrunners) show hostility toward foreign relations as much as the Reps



cept for Paul :)

[Hababi]

Independents never win.

Ross Perot did, and might've won a plurality of the popular vote had he not gotten out and then back in. Bloomberg will run if Clinton and a divisive Republican are the nominees, and he could pump a billion dollars into his campaign without trepidation.

[ringworm]

man, i saw shoot em up, that stank

i wasnt at all impressed

i can watch a simple minded bullet wizzing movie anyday, but this one was just badly done

[guitrguy]

i thought it being badly done was part of the point. I liked it anyways.

[Amit]

yeah i enjoyed shoot em up a lot

[griftadan]

anyone seen clover field? i thought it was awesome, for some reason my douchebag friends hated it

[PerpetualBurn]

Today I went out of a poker tournament because some tool called an all in with a gutshot straight draw. Needless to say I was not happy.

[Hababi]

i thought it being badly done was part of the point. I liked it anyways.

A movie that tries to be stupid is still stupid.


anyone seen clover field? i thought it was awesome, for some reason my douchebag friends hated it

Saw it, loved it.

[Knifeboy]

A movie that tries to be stupid is still stupid.

not a fan of humour, eh?

[griftadan]

Today I went out of a poker tournament because some tool called an all in with a gutshot straight draw. Needless to say I was not happy.

that's why poker sucks and is awesome all in one

A movie that tries to be stupid is still stupid.

i thought the called that satire

[griftadan]

Saw it, loved it.

SPOILERS

yeah people bitched about the ending a lot, i don't get it. i thought there wasn't a much better way to end it. although them getting owned in the helicopter was pretty unrealistic, especially after the monster got carpet bombed.

they also bitched that the monster was mediocre, but what the monster was is kind of beside the point, the whole point was observing peoples reaction to disaster situations, which was put into perspective perfectly by the camcorder view.

[PerpetualBurn]

I can take a sick beat if someone lucks out, but it was a pathetic call.

[ringworm]

anyone seen clover field? i thought it was awesome, for some reason my douchebag friends hated it
awesome movie

i saw clover
next
norbit
all of which were more entertaining that shoot em up, and dont get me wrong, i am no pretentious movie critic and i love action movies, but this was a waste, i was fast forwarding just to get it over with, maybe the hype ruined it, i dunno, i didnt like 300 as a whole either

[Hababi]

that's why poker sucks and is awesome all in one



i thought the called that satire

Good satire is funny. Shoot Em Up wasn't.

[Mr. Ron]

When I went to see cloverfield I had to sit on the floor of the theater because all the seats were taken, which wasn't that bad, a lot of others were doing it also. BUT, 40 minutes into the movie, theater guys came around and told everyone who was sitting on the floor they had to leave. Sorry, thats not going to fly asshole. I almost left but i found that one dreaded seat thats RIGHT IN FRONT of the screen, and alllllllllllllllllllllllll the way to the right up against the wall open....so I took it. My neck hurt so bad.

[Hababi]

When I went to see cloverfield I had to sit on the floor of the theater because all the seats were taken, which wasn't that bad, a lot of others were doing it also. BUT, 40 minutes into the movie, theater guys came around and told everyone who was sitting on the floor they had to leave. Sorry, thats not going to fly asshole. I almost left but i found that one dreaded seat thats RIGHT IN FRONT of the screen, and alllllllllllllllllllllllll the way to the right up against the wall open....so I took it. My neck hurt so bad.

:confused: Did you pay to get in?

[Mr. Ron]

:confused: Did you pay to get in?
of course.

[dei]

of course.

You paid to sit on the floor?

[Mr. Ron]

You paid to sit on the floor?

I didn't know all the seats would be taken.

[dei]

Shouldn't they know they're full up, and couldn't you have asked for a refund?

[Mr. Ron]

Shouldn't they know they're full up, and couldn't you have asked for a refund?

You'd think that, huh?



But yeah, I'm pretty sure they would have given my money back, hopefully.

[dei]

But you stayed. And you want to know why? Because you're a bitch, A BITCH! Yeah, I ****in' said it.

(I hope we can still be friends.)

[Mr. Ron]

</3 4 evar

[dei]

Hey, I live in ø too!

[Mr. Ron]

well in that case


lemme touch your breasts

[McP3000]

well in that case


lemme touch your breasts
Well lets just skip the conversation and go to the good stuff

[guitrguy]

You'd think that, huh?



But yeah, I'm pretty sure they would have given my money back, hopefully.

When i worked at movie theater, they would stop selling tickets once a certain amount of seats were left. The computer program did it itself.

[PerpetualBurn]

If I'd paid for a ticket and didn't get a seat I'd go out and ask for a refund and see a later showing.

Call me old fashioned...

[guitrguy]

pftt grandpa, **** laden floors are the new recliners.

[g°®†]

Ron Paul is the best Republican
McCain is the most electable Republican, who pisses me off the least of the electable Republicans

I'll probably vote for McCain in 08 because i'd rather for anyone over the terrible twosome.



Did you hear Chuck Norris talk about McCain?


:lol: it was hilarious!

[dei]

ran pawl ravalootian

[guitrguy]

Ron Paulinites are taking over the Gulf Coast. They pasted their propaganda all over an abandoned building right outside of my neighborhood.

[Mr. Ron]

If I'd paid for a ticket and didn't get a seat I'd go out and ask for a refund and see a later showing.

Call me old fashioned...

it was the last showing of the night and I had to work the next day, plus the people with me didn't want to leave.

[Hababi]

If PB paid for a ticket and didn't get a seat he'd stand and argue with the tickettaker, manager, and every other employee in sight until they stopped listening to him.

Manager: I'm not arguing with you anymore, the movie's over anyway
PB: I've demolished your arguments!
Manager: Whatever.

[lfantwister]

whats up guys

it feels like forever

[dei]

This page is mine.

[Knifeboy]

not anymore

[dei]

I have the first post on this page, mate.

Now some asshole is going to delete their post.

[Knifeboy]

yeah but I have the even numbered posts on this page.. even >> odd

[dei]

Todd > Steven.

[PerpetualBurn]

If PB paid for a ticket and didn't get a seat he'd stand and argue with the tickettaker, manager, and every other employee in sight until they stopped listening to him.

Manager: I'm not arguing with you anymore, the movie's over anyway
PB: I've demolished your arguments!
Manager: Whatever.

This isn't really how the real world works.

But then as a theist, you must live in a ****ing dream world or something.

[dei]

LoL.

[McP3000]

This isn't really how the real world works.

But then as a theist, you must live in a ****ing dream world or something.
Wow you're so cool

openly oppressing theists...it must be hard to be a gangsta

[dei]

Your posts are like stupid.

[PerpetualBurn]

Wow you're so cool

openly oppressing theists...it must be hard to be a gangsta

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me.

[dei]

He thinks you're fat.

[PerpetualBurn]

But I have inner beauty.

[Hababi]

This isn't really how the real world works.

Yeah in the real world you don't behave like a belligerent, petulant moron.

On the internet, meanwhile...

[PerpetualBurn]

Yeah in the real world you don't behave like a belligerent, petulant moron.

You have no idea how I behave, you retard.

[dei]

PerpetualBurn, sometimes I think you and I could be good friends. But then I remember that I am a neofascist and you are like the opposite of that.

[Hababi]

You have no idea how I behave, you retard.

Oh ok then maybe you are as petulant and pugnacious in real life...

[PerpetualBurn]

PerpetualBurn, sometimes I think you and I could be good friends. But then I remember that I am a neofascist and you are like the opposite of that.

I must say I'm not much of a fan of most fascist related things.

I prefer you to Serenity though.

Oh ok then maybe you are as petulant and pugnacious in real life...

Not really. The point is you have no idea. And if you doubt I am in real life, that makes your first post even stupider. But like I say, to be a Christian you have to live in a bit of a dream world.

[Hababi]

Not really. The point is you have no idea. And if you doubt I am in real life, that makes your first post even stupider.

You're either an unpopular goon who transfers his goonness to the internet, or you're not like your obnoxious internet persona and just have a bizarre fixation with being a jerk on the internet. Either way...

[PerpetualBurn]

You're either an unpopular goon who transfers his goonness to the internet, or you're not like your obnoxious internet persona and just have a bizarre fixation with being a jerk on the internet. Either way...

Nope.

[Hababi]

Nope.

You don't get a none of the above. I don't care which one it is, I'm just saying, it's one of the two.

[PerpetualBurn]

No, those aren't the only two options.

[Hababi]

No, those aren't the only two options.

You may not be precisely one or the other, but you lean toward one or the other. The more pertinent issue is your bizarre desire to be belligerent on the internet.

[PerpetualBurn]

Am I supposed to try and be deliberately stupid over the internet?

It's an internet forum. I post in a way that most amuses me.

[Hababi]

Am I supposed to try and be deliberately stupid over the internet?

I thought that was what you've been trying to do:amaze:

It's an internet forum. I post in a way that most amuses me.

hmmmm so it amuses you to behave obnoxiously boorish....

[PerpetualBurn]

so it amuses you to behave obnoxiously boorish....

Ye...

Oh wait. You always had me there.

[The Stig]

Steve Shut up about this please.

[Hababi]

about what

[The Stig]

Arguing with PB does no good. I know you have the sense to stop.

[Hababi]

Arguing with PB does no good. I know you have the sense to stop.

I'm just looking for an excuse to use the ignore function :\

[PerpetualBurn]

The problem is that you always try these little jabs at me and then get drawn in by my responses. And yet again you end up looking like a tit.

[The Stig]

I've had him on there for about a month or so now.

[Hababi]

I've had him on there for about a month or so now.

hmm let's give it a try.

[Smokey D]

Ignore button is for the weak.

[The Stig]

I still click view post to be honest. So it does little.

[PerpetualBurn]

You just can't bear the thought of missing out on my incredible posts.

[The Stig]

That's exactly it.

[Dr Hooch]

I don't put anyone on ignore because I always end up reading it quoted


plus the only reason steve doesn't like me and andy is that we're a mirror of his hypothetical atheist self, only with common sense, healthy cynicism and no weird jew fetish

[PerpetualBurn]

The Jew fetish is a little creepy.

Plus I like to think I get the odd gem of comedy in on this site.

[The Stig]

Tway is funnier tbh.

[Smokey D]

He stopped putting the effort in, to be honest. He was funnier as Tway rather than Reaganista.

[The Stig]

Yeah. But I still think he's funnier than PB.

[Against Miik!]

I wish Bill Mauer posted on this forum. He's funny.

[PerpetualBurn]

I wish Siva Chair still posted regularly.

I found him hilarious.

[Hababi]

Yeah. But I still think he's funnier than PB.

That's not saying much...

[PerpetualBurn]

Now now, Steve.

This is just getting petty.

And you're only going to end up looking a tit again.

[Hababi]

Democrat debate is on CNN now. Hoping Obama shows Clinton for the fraud that she is...

[italic zero]

I wish Siva Chair still posted regularly.

I found him hilarious.
He was a reasonably intelligent poster for a long time (well I mean he questioned evolution but he was still somewhat logical) and then plagiarized something went insane with new age nonesense and left

[dei]

I am reasonably intelligent. And when I say reasonably I mean extremely.

[PerpetualBurn]

I remember when he went insane. Every post was about how the perception is not the perceived. It was priceless.

[dei]

I don't think I was around for that.

[McP3000]

I am reasonably intelligent. And when I say reasonably I mean extremely.
You make me laugh...hard

[dei]

What happened to tolerance?

[PerpetualBurn]

He's a very bad man and he won't post nice.

[McP3000]

What happened to tolerance?
What does tolerance have to do with idiocy?

He's a very bad man and he won't post nice.
I hate it when people talk about themselves in the third person

[PerpetualBurn]

I can tell you write your own lines.

[dei]

What does tolerance have to do with idiocy?

I am reasonably intelligent. And when I say reasonably I mean extremely.

Idiocy? Everything I say is true because I say it's true.

[McP3000]

I can tell you write your own lines.
what

Idiocy? Everything I say is true because I say it's true.
ok big brother

[dei]

More like God.

[McP3000]

More like God.
howabout no

[dei]

howabout no

How come God can say he's right but I can't?

[McP3000]

How come God can say he's right but I can't?
because you aren't God

and ive never talked to him so ill get back to you on the other part
brb

[PerpetualBurn]

Serenity negged a post that I composed after he supposedly put me on ignore.

I love that he can't resist me.

[ringworm]

woot woot, iced in and dont have to go to work for awhile :p


I wish Bill Mauer posted on this forum. He's funny.
there was a time when i hated him, he always sounded so negative about things, then i actually watched one of his shows and saw his complete thoughts instead of soundbytes, and he rarely says anything I dont fully support these days, I love the guy

[Knifeboy]

Serenity negged a post that I composed after he supposedly put me on ignore.

I love that he can't resist me.


to be fair, he said he'd "give it a try"

he obviously failed

[guitrguy]

Serenity negged a post that I composed after he supposedly put me on ignore.

I love that he can't resist me.

lol, hes been a little girl when it comes to defending his faith.

he got me too for "spewing atheistic propaganda" :lol:

[PerpetualBurn]

Classic Serenity.

[ringworm]

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4

ya gotta see Mitt Romney in this one, it'll be all over the news soon

[Knifeboy]

haha.. That's ... bad

[dei]

Mitt Romney.

[Brewing Up With]

Was he seriously trying to relate to the kids taking a picture with him?

[Mr. Ron]

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4

ya gotta see Mitt Romney in this one, it'll be all over the news soon
oh sweet **** he's hopelessly rich and white.

[dei]

I'm rich and white.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm rich and white.
Well, I am white and would be considered upper-middle class, but Romney is in a totally different category of rich and white. Oh, and Mormonism.

[guitrguy]

Well, I am white and would be considered upper-middle class, but Romney is in a totally different category of rich and white. Oh, and Mormonism.


H5 me too.

[Mr. Ron]

H5 me too.

whyyyte pahur

[dei]

Well, I am white and would be considered upper-middle class, but Romney is in a totally different category of rich and white. Oh, and Mormonism.

Well, I am brown and would be considere middle-middle class, but Romney is in a totally different category of rich and brown. Oh, and Mormonism.

[Mr. Ron]

I see what you did there.

[dei]

Did you know that in the next two years you or someone you know will be brown?

[Mr. Ron]

Did you know that in the next two years you or someone you know will be brown?

I'm ok with that. I don't doubt we all have a little brown in us all.

[guitrguy]

Did you know that in the next two years you or someone you know will be brown?

uh oh

[ringworm]

shoot, I know I am a mutt

[dei]

shoot, I know I am a mutt

We all are.

[Against Miik!]

Thompson dropped out and Huckabee is broke. Looks like it will come down to McCain or Romney. I'm gonna say hello to our next President, John McCain.

[Mr. Ron]

"Lets stay in Iraq for 100 years" McCain. :<

[Against Miik!]

I, for one, can't wait

[dei]

We should just nuke ourselves.

[chronopops]

im voting for hilary, tbh. i figure she might give me a bj in return or something, im willing to take that chance.

[Hababi]

Thompson dropped out and Huckabee is broke. Looks like it will come down to McCain or Romney. I'm gonna say hello to our next President, John McCain.

That would be so wonderful. It'd almost make up for no Serenity sequel.

And folks, in regards to McCain's hundred years comment, we have had troops in Japan for 60 years. Does anyone care? No. Don't make something out of nothing.

If it's still a race when the PA primary comes around, I'll be volunteering for the McCain camp.

[Mr. Ron]

That would be so wonderful. It'd almost make up for no Serenity sequel.

And folks, in regards to McCain's hundred years comment, we have had troops in Japan for 60 years. Does anyone care? No. Don't make something out of nothing.

If it's still a race when the PA primary comes around, I'll be volunteering for the McCain camp.

um, please tell me you don't think japan is anything like the middle east

[Hababi]

um, please tell me you don't think japan is anything like the middle east

The point is that objecting to a long commitment of a presence, in and of itself, is pretty ridiculous and ignorant to history.

[Dr Hooch]

Thompson dropped out and Huckabee is broke. Looks like it will come down to McCain or Romney. I'm gonna say hello to our next President, John McCain.

Oh America


Why do you do this to yourself


You've got all those guns and all you ever do is shoot yourselves in the foot

[Hababi]

Oh America


Why do you do this to yourself


You've got all those guns and all you ever do is shoot yourselves in the foot

McCain is a great man and a principled leader. Come on, would you rather have Hillary Clinton president than him?

[Mr. Ron]

The point is that objecting to a long commitment of a presence, in and of itself, is pretty ridiculous and ignorant to history.
no see you're missing the point


your comparison of japan to the middle east was incredibly retarded. One is much more hostile than the other.

[Hababi]

no see you're missing the point


your comparison of japan to the middle east was incredibly retarded. One is much more hostile than the other.

And you seem to be missing that things are getting better in Iraq. Kurdistan is already entirely safe for American troops, and the rest of the country is progressing toward that, because the people are realizing that the jihadists only have interest in creating anarchy and death.

[Hababi]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=03YUgHAshSo&feature=related

[The Stig]

I loathe the White Stripes.

[Hababi]

ouch why the hate

[Mr. Ron]

He needs to get rid of that ridiculous excuse for a mustache.

[The Stig]

Because I honestly think they are a terrible band. He's never done anything amazing on the guitar, and she is a horrid drummer.

They are just one of those bands.

[Hababi]

He needs to get rid of that ridiculous excuse for a mustache.
I think the goatee is sweet
Because I honestly think they are a terrible band. He's never done anything amazing on the guitar, and she is a horrid drummer.

They are just one of those bands.

Check out their cover of Death Letter. He has a distinct and very developed dirty blues style that rivals most anyone around.

[Shell]

And you seem to be missing that things are getting better in Iraq. Kurdistan is already entirely safe for American troops, and the rest of the country is progressing toward that, because the people are realizing that the jihadists only have interest in creating anarchy and death.

Yes, things are getting better in Iraq... while our own country is going down the shitter.

edit: lol poopter

[dei]

McCain can do no wrong.