PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Mr. Ron]

zombies don't sleep!

[Smokey D]

Do androids?

[guitrguy]

Only old school androids.

[pedro durruti]

yes androids dream and sleep and weep and gleam

[PerpetualBurn]

Do androids?

Electric sheep.

[McP3000]

yes androids dream and sleep and weep and gleam

And rhyme with pentameter.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Black Sheep was highly enjoyable. Much, much better than anything Jackson has done recently

[PerpetualBurn]

Black Sheep is also a quality Yorkshire ale.

[Dr Hooch]

in other news

have any of you seen the movie black sheep? smokey its from new zealand. since i know you watch every movie that ever comes from that fine place

i want to see it so bad

Remebered only for the line in the trailer

"The violence of the lambs"

[ringworm]

Anybody see Real Time w/Bill Maher last night?

great episode, he was spot on, Ill dig for some clips or transcripts

[guitrguy]

I hate Bill Maher tbh.

[ringworm]

he's quickly becoming one of my favorites and one of the few people who are trying to spread some truth about the corruption on both sides of the spectrum

an exert from the episode discussing the whole Scooter Libby CIA Operative scandal that somehow got squashed
http://www.billmaher.com/?page_id=219
JOE WILSON: Well, I think it’ll be a cold day in hell before I vote for a Republican Party. [applause] [cheers] But, let me say this. I think that this brand that runs the administration and runs the RNC are not real Republicans. They are radicals—

MAHER: [overlapping] I agree.

JOE WILSON: [overlapping]—who have taken the Republican Party and used it as a vehicle to impose their own radical solutions, which are not democratic. They’re un-American, and they’re imperial instead of – instead of Republican. [applause] And, damn if they’re not stealing the treasury blind.

[spitfirejunky]

I've missed every episode since the Hurricane Katrina season.

I should get on top of that.

[guitrguy]

I saw an interview that Wolf Blitzer did with him. The guy was way idealistic and talked out of his ***. Thats just the impression he gave me.

[spitfirejunky]

He's hit or miss with me. But his political views are sound and I'd rather much watch him than any other political talk show host.

[ringworm]

I used to despise the man, but after watching his HBO Stand-Up Act, I gave hime another shot, I bet many in here would be shocked that I rarely disagree with most of what he says currently, this last episode was a good example

So, the question I’m asking is, how did it all ever get so uneven? Warren Buffett asks that question. He’s the third-richest man in the world, and a decent man. He points out how ridiculous it is that he – the third-richest man in the world – is taxed at 17.7%, while his secretary, who makes sixty grand a year, is taxed at 30%. Which brings up a very fundamental economic question: why is Warren Buffett paying his secretary only sixty grand a year? [laughter] [applause] He’s the third-richest man in the world!

But, you know, the days when a shop girl in the big city could support herself working a full 40-hour week, or a family of four could live off a single blue-collar breadwinner, are as bygone a fantasy as malt shops or heterosexual wizards. [laughter] If you’re living hand-to-mouth, and still buying into the con that the big threats to America are socialized medicine, Mexican immigrants and tax increases, then you’re not being kept down by the rich. You’re being kept down by you.
In America, it’s not the haves and have-nots. It’s the haves and the been-hads. If you, the citizen, deliberately vote for someone who won’t give you health care over someone you will, you need to have your head examined. Except you can’t afford to have your head examined. [laughter] [applause]

Please remember that if you hear the new radio ad from Rudy Giuliani, who says his chances of surviving prostate cancer in America were 82%, whereas, in England, under “socialized medicine,” his chances would have been 44%. Numbers that, like the cancer, were pulled directly out of Rudy’s ***. [laughter] [applause]

Now, I know socialized medicine sounds like Stalin himself is going to come over to your house and perform a forced sterilization. [laughter] But, really all it is, is universal health care. Which means everybody – not just the rich – gets to see a doctor when their erection lasts longer than 72 hours. [laughter] [applause]

And I just hope that one day, ten or fifteen years from now, one of Rush Limbaugh’s “Ditto Heads” is going to wake up in his cell in debtors’ prison – because that’s where President Giuliani throws you when you can’t pay your Visa bill – and he’ll turn on the Fox Financial Channel, and as he watches some CEO gloat over his $200 million in stock options, he’s going to suddenly realize that he’s been had. And on that day, that man will begin the great middle class uprising of the 21st century.


He also provided some scarey info on Blackwater's power and funding in the link a few posts up



and the banner on MX just cracked me up :p
http://i22.tinypic.com/5y6nlu.png

[Iskandar]

How the hell did this forum get an Ann Coulter ad???

[guitrguy]

I know seriously.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm convinced that she just says what she says for shock value to sell books.

But....then I just look at similar people and that hope fades.

[Iskandar]

I think she's just delusional.

[ringworm]

i hit it though :)

[guitrguy]

and incredibly stupid.

[Mr. Ron]

I think Hannity or O'reilly piss me off more.

[guitrguy]

All 3 are militant neo-cons.

[ringworm]

I think Hannity or O'reilly piss me off more.

more than Coulter? wow

[Mr. Ron]

I hate Bill's facial analysis part of his show where he brings in a specialist in the field to discredit his guests on how they blink their eyes or some garabge...what a waste of time.

[ringworm]

but seriously, since I am still talking about Bill Maher and some of the issues addressed, do you guys see a glimmer of hope for me yet? Politically I mean :)

[Tyr]

Without a doubt.

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm becoming a Bill Maher fan... but they are all the same. Using comedy to push their own agenda, which isn't always that of the people.

Some of the Blackwater stuff really is ****in' scary though. I doubt they'd ever stage a coup, but they probably could in all reality try, and that is enough to be wary of their existence.

[Mr. Ron]

what about a blackwater coup????

[DBoons Ghost]

what about a blackwater coup????

Maher put forth a theory that Blackwater could stage a coup if they wanted to as they have apparently a force equal to that or actually more powerful then that of the US Armed Forces.

US Armed Forces are spread pretty thin right now, and Blackwater have more troops inland then the US Armed Forces. They have their own armored division, their own air force.. etc.

It's a real stretch but apparently Bill Maher thinks we should worry about it.

[Mr. Ron]

Maher put forth a theory that Blackwater could stage a coup if they wanted to as they have apparently a force equal to that or actually more powerful then that of the US Armed Forces.

US Armed Forces are spread pretty thin right now, and Blackwater have more troops inland then the US Armed Forces. They have their own armored division, their own air force.. etc.

It's a real stretch but apparently Bill Maher thinks we should worry about it.


That sounds a tad outlandish.

I wasnot aware that they had their own ****ing armored division though. They're also run by a fanatical religious guy.

[guitrguy]

The military would haul *** out of the mid east to quell a coup

[DBoons Ghost]

The military would haul *** out of the mid east to quell a coup

I really don't expect anyone to take the possibility of a coup seriously.

[ringworm]

i think we should, at the least, consider that there is a private army, highly armed & trained, in our country that isnt exactly bound to most of our laws


AND
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that this is another fine example of the amount of privatisation that his admin supports

the line between corporation and governemt is so blurry, its scary

[Mr. Ron]

One thing is for certain though, they are a very powerful force to be considered. One that doesn't even have to apy attention to most laws...

[Tyr]

What is this Blackwater?

[lfantwister]

blackwater=bad


==2000 post go me

[Mr. Ron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide

[DBoons Ghost]

Yeah they don't follow the same RoE that the Armed Forces do, and the only thing that bothers me about their existence is the fact the owner/operator/CEO/commanding officer is a fundamental christian.

Also, see Blackwater's website at http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

[Tyr]

That seems a little... worrying.

Also, Joseph E. Schmitz looks like a more sinister version of Greg Graffin.

[guitrguy]

Yeah they don't follow the same RoE that the Armed Forces do, and the only thing that bothers me about their existence is the fact the owner/operator/CEO/commanding officer is a fundamental christian.

Also, see Blackwater's website at http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

Wow..... the fundies have an army now.

[DBoons Ghost]

That seems a little... worrying.

Also, Joseph E. Schmitz looks like a more sinister version of Greg Graffin.

I doubt any American is truly happy they exist.

If anything, it's not too much to expect the Armed Forces have black operations similar to this in existence. I don't know that I would be too unhappy about that.

However, this is no different then any potential cult or sect, with the exception that this one has Uncle Sam's blessing.

For now anyway. I truly hope future administrations don't support this organization, but at this point they've gotten pretty big, and another Waco on the scale of all out war is the last thing we need. It would be worse then the civil war.

[Tyr]

How did they get to be the largest contractor to your government in just ten years?

[ringworm]

war funding went to them instead of the troops it seems like




this is also somewhat similar to Star Wars
a second army being built
division among the country
maybe the White House is role playing the early clone wars, only in real life

:p dont take that too seriously

[DBoons Ghost]

How did they get to be the largest contractor to your government in just ten years?

Look at the current adminstration for your answers. I really didn't know they existed until Iraq.

The more I think about this the more frightening the outcomes.

Imagine the next administration looking to dismantle this band of soldiers' of fortune.

Could it be possible the US Armed Forces would go to war on it's own soil with Blackwater? Could such a thing happen?

It happened with Waco, I don't see much of a difference here.

[guitrguy]

Eh, I thinks that a bit far fetched.

[DBoons Ghost]

Eh, I thinks that a bit far fetched.

Yeah I do too. It's kinda fun to think about though. Well, fun in a "holy crap" kinda way moreso than a "hah" kinda way.

[Tyr]

Now I'm truly scared.

[DBoons Ghost]

Now I'm truly scared.

I wouldn't worry about it. We're just talking waaayyy over the top stuff.

[guitrguy]

Now I'm truly scared.

Hey, you're a swede. Every one loves a swede.

[Tyr]

I wouldn't worry about it. We're just talking waaayyy over the top stuff.

Yeah, but the it's a scary scenario, nonetheless.

Hey, you're a swede. Every one loves a swede.

Let's hope so.

[DBoons Ghost]

He's right. We all love Swedes.

Don't panic over some armchair quarterbacks hypothetically talking about stuff that is way out of our scope. It's just nutty talk in a forum no one cares about.

[ringworm]

yeah, we're just spitballin here :p

[Knifeboy]

I don't know if I'd say using comedy to push your agenda is a bad thing. Especially when you do it as intelligently as Bill Maher.
And the fact the he's not trying to hide it helps a lot.. I mean, he makes it pretty obvious that it's a political show he's running

edit: ... damn, that was last page

actually, the page before last page

i'm so out of the loop

[Iskandar]

that this is another fine example of the amount of privatisation that his admin supports

the line between corporation and governemt is so blurry, its scary:-\

[ringworm]

:) what does that mean?

[Iskandar]

I feel :-\ about what you said. You're right.

[DBoons Ghost]

I don't know if I'd say using comedy to push your agenda is a bad thing. Especially when you do it as intelligently as Bill Maher.
And the fact the he's not trying to hide it helps a lot.. I mean, he makes it pretty obvious that it's a political show he's running

edit: ... damn, that was last page

actually, the page before last page

i'm so out of the loop

Yeah I'm no fan of the politcal pundit shows, but Bill is someone I am really starting to enjoy.

[ringworm]

I feel :-\ about what you said. You're right.


its even prominant in small local government, at least regionally where I live

we continue to fight this large land development firm that has infiltrated almost every aspect of planning, zoning etc, they have even established committees that can overide decisions made by city, county councilmen

then you find out, the roads they want to build, the Generica strip malls and big business facilities will be constructed by guess who, the same people that call my large farm and many others, "undeveloped" land??

[Iskandar]

Modern capitalism is like that. It's not a "free market," it's dominated by giant corporations.

[ringworm]

i think thats why i oppose so many "new" gvnt programs, NHC to be more exact

i want to weed out the faults before creating new programs with new problems

[lfantwister]

ringworm your picture is horrifying

[Iskandar]

I try to avoid looking at it, myself.

[ringworm]

lol, i'll prob go back to the old simpson motorcycle helmet soon :)

and thats not me btw, just in case though

[DBoons Ghost]

I turned avatars off so that I wouldn't be distracted by the big avatars.

Guys with big avatars intimidate me because I know mine will never be that big, unless I get an avatar enlargement.

All the chicks seem to like guys with big avatars.

[Iskandar]

I have a big avatar myself.

[PerpetualBurn]

I wish I had a big avatar.

Blades 3 -1 Ipswich

[Iskandar]

Canada doesn't "get" football.

[Mr. Ron]

football (American) is so stupid.

[PerpetualBurn]

Canadian former-Blades striker Paul Peschisolido got football.

[Iskandar]

I don't really like any sports.

[Mr. Ron]

same.

I do like watching European soccer though, and lacrosse.


People that watch NASCAR can **** off.

[guitrguy]

NASCAR is the most trashy thing ever, besides Meth.

[Mr. Ron]

I just don't get the appeal. You watch cars go really fast, in a circle. wow.

[DBoons Ghost]

I just don't get the appeal. You watch cars go really fast, in a circle. wow.

I'm not a fan of NASCAR, but there really is a lot more to it then that.

I love auto racing. I had a car when I was a teenager that I used to compete in SCCA with. It really is cars going fast in a circle, but there is more to passing and all that, that goes on within the oval.

[guitrguy]

I just don't get the appeal. You watch cars go really fast, in a circle. wow.

Seriously. I think its an excuse to listen to bad country music and drink cheap beer.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm not a fan of NASCAR, but there really is a lot more to it then that.

I love auto racing. I had a car when I was a teenager that I used to compete in SCCA with. It really is cars going fast in a circle, but there is more to passing and all that, that goes on within the oval.

maybe to the driver, but other than that its fast cars zooming by...

[DBoons Ghost]

maybe to the driver, but other than that its fast cars zooming by...

I suppose. It's not worth explaining. I don't like it much myself as I said, but to the fan as well, there is more to it. I used to be into it. I used to go to races at Poconos Speedway all the time.

[Reaganista]

andy belmont's wife is a total cunt

[Knifeboy]

http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx?id=3571acfd-6401-4f0a-b219-839ad2e0f1c9

[Mr. Ron]

haha thats great.

[McP3000]

From what i've heard, most people didn't like Nascar until after they went to a race. They said it was quite an experience to have those cars go by at 200 miles an hour.
Football (American) is awesome. However, Baseball is infinitely better.

[Reaganista]

basketball you mean

[McP3000]

basketball you mean

Well, if by basketball...you actually mean baseball...then yes

[Reaganista]

stfu moron

[McP3000]

stfu moron
stfu douchenozzle

[Hababi]

Pittsburgh just reelected a 27 year old blockhead who is set to become one of the worst mayors in the country :\

[pedro durruti]

I think there's a town in Oregon with an 18 year old mayor

[Iskandar]

Michael Moore ran for mayor when he was 18.

http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx?id=b3c77ad9-eb3d-4f64-870a-549df2616be4

Lol.

[guitrguy]

Michael Moore should have just ran.

[Iskandar]

He can't run, he's too fat.

[guitrguy]

How the hell did he think he could run for mayor then?

[pedro durruti]

He is from Michigan.

[guitrguy]

Good point. Every one is fat in Michigan.

[Reaganista]

Pittsburgh just reelected a 27 year old blockhead who is set to become one of the worst mayors in the country :\

i didnt look up the results but im sure michael nutter won in a landslide
im kinda glad im white tbh

[lfantwister]

speaking of fat people and something nutter

somerville, where my school is, is the official home of the Fluffernutter sandwich

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21669167/

[ringworm]

From what i've heard, most people didn't like Nascar until after they went to a race. They said it was quite an experience to have those cars go by at 200 miles an hour.
i think people dislike the fans more than the racing, tbo

yeah, Nascar is ok, i prefer road racing, but I'll watch a race here and there on Sunday's, its that or watch Football or some other crappy event.

Sunday's suck for TV. Golf, Basketball, Baseball or Football is all that comes on. Gimme some Pikes Peak or some Motorcycle Racing :p

[Dr Hooch]

I find rally driving really interesting, but I don't see the appeal of Nascar over touring cars or any other type of racing in which there's the subtlety of overtaking and the whole "have to go fast around a complex circuit" thing

[ringworm]

whats funny is most road racers that come over to Nascar fail miserably at, "going in a circle" all day lol

but yeah, gimme some road courses

that Aussie racing I see here and there is awesome, I'll see if I can find a link

[Reaganista]

i think people dislike the fans more than the racing, tbo
well the fans suck too but i hate nascar because andy belmont's wife is a cunt
and he's not that great either

[Mr. Ron]

oh and white trash

[Reaganista]

no she's more like the most self-important cunty soccer mom bitch ive ever run into

[Mr. Ron]

ewwww soccer moms.

[DBoons Ghost]

So is it just NASCAR everyone has issues with or racing as a whole? Formula 1? CART series?

The only difference between CART and NASCAR is open wheels. Even among fans.

[Dr Hooch]

So is it just NASCAR everyone has issues with or racing as a whole? Formula 1? CART series?

The only difference between CART and NASCAR is open wheels. Even among fans.

I just think nascar always seems to be 100% designed around spectator thrills, and i just don't 'get' it.

I don't follow F1 anymore; it's just WRC that can keep me interested now. Nothing wrong with F1 though.

[ringworm]

oh and white trash
lol, you obviously know nothing about it then, that crowd was dumped years ago, now they cater to snobby rich people with money, which is why it is a spectacle event these days
So is it just NASCAR everyone has issues with or racing as a whole? Formula 1? CART series?The only difference between CART and NASCAR is open wheels. Even among fans.
they hate NASCAR because white republicans seem to be associated with :p
any other series that does the same thing is ok though :)

[The_Passenger]

I don't follow F1 anymore; it's just WRC that can keep me interested now. Nothing wrong with F1 though.

Except that it's boring

[Mr. Ron]

lol, you obviously know nothing about it then, that crowd was dumped years ago, now they cater to snobby rich people with money, which is why it is a spectacle event these days

they hate NASCAR because white republicans seem to be associated with :p
any other series that does the same thing is ok though :)
I do know that more and more northerners are getting into it, but there's plenty of white trash up here too. ;)


I'm mostly just kidding....I just think its such a stupid concept.

[ringworm]

im kidding too, just tugging some strings to pass the day :p

[DBoons Ghost]

If it weren't for auto racing, especially NASCAR, engineering and innovation with regards to the automotive industry would be a lot different.

[ringworm]

yep, it doesnt take long for innovation on the track to make its way into personal vehicles


heres my kind of racing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uPpDLv1FGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMN4zaclgrg



but, the Isle of Man TT racing pwns almost everything

[Dr Hooch]

Except that it's boring

The start is the only bit i bother watching.

[Der Übermensch]

If it weren't for auto racing, especially NASCAR, engineering and innovation with regards to the automotive industry would be a lot different.

Except isn't Grand Prix the one where they actually develop new stuff to try to out do the other?

[Knifeboy]

If it weren't for auto racing, especially NASCAR, engineering and innovation with regards to the automotive industry would be a lot different.

True, except the "especially NASCAR" bit.. NASCAR is probably the least important of the bunch when it comes to innovation

[DBoons Ghost]

True, except the "especially NASCAR" bit.. NASCAR is probably the least important of the bunch when it comes to innovation

Not for American auto makers.

Ford doesn't compete in Formula One anymore, nor does Chevrolet.

[ringworm]

yeah, 'Merican brands buddy, we dont make cars that sound like squirrels, we make cars that ROOAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!! :p
:p

:p

[Knifeboy]

all any sane person should care about when it comes to cars is fuel efficiency!.. Which is why my very sane parents drive a car so ugly that only a clown would set foot in it, because it averages 52 miles per gallon

[ringworm]

i agree, but i want another step forward to cars that dont run on fuel at all

Hilary's latest Child legislation bill should give every child a Pony to ride :p

[Iskandar]

Down with cars!

[Knifeboy]

Up with airplanes!

[Mr. Ron]

I was actually talking about banning SUV's as a good idea and some guys was like "yo brah, its my right as an AMERICAN to buy that SUV!"

pssshhh


(that was serious)

[Knifeboy]

You mentioned that a couple of pages back I think.

So where in Denmark are you going? and why?

[Mr. Ron]

I'm going there with some freinds for a week to just visit. We're totally not sure just where in Denmark yet...so what are some ridiculously fun places to go?

[Knifeboy]

The safe bet would be to go to Copenhagen.. The closest thing Denmark has to a big city... pop. 1.3 million people I think..
The national museum is free entry, so you'll have the chance to see real life runes a plenty!

[Mr. Ron]

Where can I fight a viking? I want to fight a viking.

[guitrguy]

America has chewing tobacco named after Copenhagen.

[Knifeboy]

You can fight vikings with rubber swords? hehe

[spitfirejunky]

They do it every Sunday not too far from here.

I swear, sometimes I think Canada's entirely high.

[Dr Hooch]

Not for American auto makers.
.

This tells you a hell of a lot about american cars and corners.

[McP3000]

Banning the purchase of SUVs is the dumbest thing i have heard today.

[Mr. Ron]

why


it makes sense

[lfantwister]

if you have no concern for american automakers and their employees and idk the local detroit economy. not to mention it might damper american culture a little

[Mr. Ron]

if you have no concern for american automakers and their employees and idk the local detroit economy. not to mention it might damper american culture a little

They would simply switch over to the production of more gas efficient vehicles. The market is going to favor them in the future anyways.

[lfantwister]

simply switching over would involve a much more dramatic change than that area is prepared for at the moment

market changes have to be gradual and not just determined arbitrarily by some lawmakers

[pedro durruti]

They need to be arbitrarily determined by the working class

[griftadan]

They would simply switch over to the production of more gas efficient vehicles. The market is going to favor them in the future anyways.

so really you're just saying we should raise mileage standards, not ban SUVs

[Der Übermensch]

simply switching over would involve a much more dramatic change than that area is prepared for at the moment

market changes have to be gradual and not just determined arbitrarily by some lawmakers

Except they are being artificially propped up by the mass subsadizes on oil from the government. If Americans had to pay the rame rates the Europeans did, we'd be driving hybrids 20 years ago!

[ringworm]

America has chewing tobacco named after Copenhagen.
lol
If Americans had to pay the rame rates the Europeans did, we'd be driving hybrids 20 years ago!
this is true, very true in fact

[McP3000]

They would simply switch over to the production of more gas efficient vehicles. The market is going to favor them in the future anyways.
Forcing the average person to buy smaller cars with better gas efficiency is authoritarianism. Not to mention that this whole global warming thing is rather useless unless China begins to curtail their emissions.
I also hate the idea of carpooling. We're not 5th graders anymore.

[DBoons Ghost]

Dog the Bounty Hunter is an ignorant pussy.

[ringworm]

what was he thinking??????

i havent seen the apologies yet

[DBoons Ghost]

what was he thinking??????

i havent seen the apologies yet

There should be no apology.

He's a turd for not sticking to his guns and just saying "yeah I said it and I don't care what you people think and I refuse to apologize for who I am.."

This is all for his TV show. He doesn't care about offending people. Nor should he.

This is not how we deal with racism.

[guitrguy]

Did any see the Larry King Live last night?

He was lying through his teeth.

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm going to a 65 Days Of Static gig tonight.

I am so win.

[DBoons Ghost]

Did any see the Larry King Live last night?

He was lying through his teeth.

I just watched it and he makes no sense.

People with no balls suck.

[Knifeboy]

I'm going to a 65 Days Of Static gig tonight.

I am so win.


I envy you a tiny bit

[Mr. Ron]

so really you're just saying we should raise mileage standards, not ban SUVs

Sure, if they can get SUV's to have at least over 30 MPG. I mean, we're totally capable of making cars that have 50 MPG. To own a SUV is ridiculous and irresponsible.

[Mr. Ron]

Forcing the average person to buy smaller cars with better gas efficiency is authoritarianism. Not to mention that this whole global warming thing is rather useless unless China begins to curtail their emissions.
I also hate the idea of carpooling. We're not 5th graders anymore.

no actually carpooling is a great idea.

[McP3000]

It's impractical and time consuming.

[ringworm]

yeah, in the US, its very hard to consider carpooling or mass transit

only in cities is this a viable scheme, and its already been addressed, think about the rest of the country though, to think that people that live out in the country, even in a development, work near enough to each other to carpool is ridiculous

and if you think that people scoff at the idea of gas saving SUV's, thats ridiculous too, if the automakers would produce such vehicles, they'd sell before they hit the streets, we could make a vehicle right this minute that could easily get 50+ mpg, but big oil wont allow it

i wish the only vehicle I needed was a small Prius type car, but I can barely fit into one of those, little less a family of 3 or more

[Mr. Ron]

It's impractical and time consuming.

Explain how it is.

[Mr. Ron]

yeah, in the US, its very hard to consider carpooling or mass transit

only in cities is this a viable scheme, and its already been addressed, think about the rest of the country though, to think that people that live out in the country, even in a development, work near enough to each other to carpool is ridiculous

and if you think that people scoff at the idea of gas saving SUV's, thats ridiculous too, if the automakers would produce such vehicles, they'd sell before they hit the streets, we could make a vehicle right this minute that could easily get 50+ mpg, but big oil wont allow it

i wish the only vehicle I needed was a small Prius type car, but I can barely fit into one of those, little less a family of 3 or more

well see the thing is this: Suburbia is killing America.

[Knifeboy]

So.. Election is coming up here in Denmark.. Voting next Tuesday..

We're the first country to have a proper chance of getting a fu ckable female politican as our leader

[Dr Hooch]

if you have no concern for american automakers and their employees and idk the local detroit economy. not to mention it might damper american culture a little

god forbid

It's only the fuc'king planet we're talking about here after all

Except they are being artificially propped up by the mass subsadizes on oil from the government. If Americans had to pay the rame rates the Europeans did, we'd be driving hybrids 20 years ago!

People do drive 4x4s here and they get a lot of sh!t for it

I'm going to a 65 Days Of Static gig tonight.

I am so win.

man that is pretty awesome

[Smokey D]

only in cities is this a viable scheme, and its already been addressed, think about the rest of the country though, to think that people that live out in the country, even in a development, work near enough to each other to carpool is ridiculous

Oh what's that? Oh yeah: the United States is an urbanized nation, with 80.6 percent of its population residing in cities and suburbs.

[Dave de Sylvia]

So.. Election is coming up here in Denmark.. Voting next Tuesday..

We're the first country to have a proper chance of getting a fu ckable female politican as our leader

Apparently you guys have the lowest unemployment in Europe. I did not know this.

[Mr. Ron]

Oh what's that? Oh yeah: the United States is an urbanized nation, with 80.6 percent of its population residing in cities and suburbs.

Exactly. It only makes sense to carpool.

[Der Übermensch]

Apparently you guys have the lowest unemployment in Europe. I did not know this.
Switzerland and Norway are both lower with 2.5%. Denmark is 3.3% (October 27th Economist).

[Mr. Ron]

Why does it seem like everything is much more awesome in Europe/Scandinavia?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Switzerland and Norway are both lower with 2.5%. Denmark is 3.3% (October 27th Economist).
Only the EU exists to me. Apparently.

[PerpetualBurn]

man that is pretty awesome

It was pretty awesome.

[Oriah]

It was pretty awesome.

Only because it is pretty awsome.

[Smokey D]

Why does it seem like everything is much more awesome in Europe/Scandinavia?

Scandinavia has it quite easy because it has small populations, substantial natural resources and very few of the problems associated with immigration (no banlieues, no obvious discrimination) etc. Also, the powerful welfare state pretty much keeps everyone happy.

[Mr. Ron]

Scandinavia has it quite easy because it has small populations, substantial natural resources and very few of the problems associated with immigration (no banlieues, no obvious discrimination) etc. Also, the powerful welfare state pretty much keeps everyone happy.

Ahhhh yes, true. Plus, they have amazing women. That has to count for something.

[guitrguy]

That counts for everything.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

All the European worker's paradises come across as really, really boring to me. No offence meant to all you frozen north types, the countries just fail to excite me in any way. Although the women's are pretty, don't get me wrong, I'm not a creepy internet Asian-chaser.

[ringworm]

well see the thing is this: Suburbia is killing America.
lol, OK :/
it has the cleanest air, least congestion, least dense population and housing or industry, lets pave it over & create a carpool friendly metropolis, yeah!!!
you may think I didnt understand your post, and I didnt :p
Oh what's that? Oh yeah: the United States is an urbanized nation, with 80.6 percent of its population residing in cities and suburbs.
?
i am only speaking regionally, no way I could ever conceive of carpooling where I live and work

but I am not opposed to areas that can

[guitrguy]

A lot of urban highways have carpool only lanes.

[Knifeboy]

I was very impressed with the car pool lanes when I visited San Fran.. (We don't have/need anything like that here in europe)

Mostly because we were driving 7 people in a suv, and was zooming past thousands and thousands of cars with only one person in them..

So while I was impressed with the idea, it was pretty obvious that it really isn't working

[guitrguy]

Yeah I agree. Having a car is very much a part of American culture, I think if America did shift to a carpooling mindset, it would be good for the environment and rush hour traffic would be much less painful.

[Knifeboy]

The first, and easiest fix to your rush hour problem, would be something we call "the green wave"... As it is now in towns like san francisco, with that simple road grid system.. All the vertical stoplights change from red, to green at the same time, and all the horizontal stoplights do the opposite....

That is completely inefficient, idiotic, and the solution to that is so simple, it's ridiculous that you still use a system that encourages "start, stop" driving..

If it was set up, so the lights changed in a way, so the first light changes to green, and the next light changes to green the amount of time later it takes to drive from the first light to the second light.. You'd have a whole grid of stoplights, where you'd never run into a red light if you drove responsibly......

That's how it is here, and it was extremely frustrating to navigate through rush hour in san francisco..

[ringworm]

I think if America did shift to a carpooling mindset, it would be good for the environment and rush hour traffic would be much less painful.
no doubt, I see everyday, everyone is in a car, by themselves, me included

we run errands during lunch, go here, go there, we make ourselves busy little bees, but then complain like some outside force is the reason why we run run run

we forget that "back in the day" each family had 1 car, 1 TV (at best), no cellphones or other gadgets, cooked at home every night, then look at out current, over stimulated society, its no wonder all the kids have ADD, its a non-stop beeping & buzzing thrillride from the moment you're born into these hetic households :)
All the vertical stoplights change from red, to green at the same time, and all the horizontal stoplights do the opposite....
many cities are doing huge studies and improvements to the stop light systems that havent been altered for yearssssss to try and improve commutes, an easy fix that should have been done long ago

[Knifeboy]

It was something we did in the late eighties.. It's pretty sad that you're so far behind, on something so simple yet effective

[ringworm]

i know, some of the traffic models were based on the eighties and havent been updated yet, our solution is to build MORE highways that destroy farmland/natural areas instead of improving existing roads, pathetic

[guitrguy]

It was something we did in the late eighties.. It's pretty sad that you're so far behind, on something so simple yet effective

The for the US, biggest obstacle it the sheer area in which the program would have to be implemented.

[Knifeboy]

Completely irrelevant when you look at cost efficiency.. It's a reeally small change compared to what you get out of it.
I mean, if something as simple as that can't be done.. Then how could they get anything done at all

[guitrguy]

Its the US, nothing but war gets done.

[Knifeboy]

Yeah.. ..

Man, sometimes discussing politics on here can be really depressing hehehe

[guitrguy]

Haha, yeah.


Does Denmark primarily have a unitarian government?

[Knifeboy]

What does it mean to have a unitarian government?

[sweboy]

Hey Knifey what did you do in SF? I'm planning to go there sometime.

[big80smullet]

America still uses real paper checks. Im pretty sure i havent used a check ever in my 8 years of owning a bank account. And ive only used my withdrawal book twice when i lost my card. America reckon they're worl leaders but they are so far behind the rest of the world on some pretty simple stuff.

[Knifeboy]

Class trip, went over there to visit some of the big companies in silicon valley..

If you're going to America, I wouldn't really recommend SF all that much.. There's tonnes of places in America I'd rather visit

[Dr Hooch]

America still uses real paper checks. Im pretty sure i havent used a check ever in my 8 years of owning a bank account. And ive only used my withdrawal book twice when i lost my card. America reckon they're worl leaders but they are so far behind the rest of the world on some pretty simple stuff.

We still have paper cheques here, for person to person money transfeerral. When you can't use cards and money transfer is blatantly impractical.

[PerpetualBurn]

What the hell's wrong with a cheque?

It's the easiest way for me to pay my rent.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Not to mention that most Americans don't use cheques. Their mere existence alone isn't evidence of stunted evolution.

[PerpetualBurn]

No one uses cheques frequently. But they clearly have their uses.

[Tyr]

I think I have seen one cheque in my whole life.

[guitrguy]

What does it mean to have a unitarian government?

The National (federal) government has most of the power, while a state (provincial) and local gov't have very little power. The UK would be an example.

[Dr Hooch]

http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/landscapes/towerssign.jpg

A banksy.

Too far?

[Der Übermensch]

The National (federal) government has most of the power, while a state (provincial) and local gov't have very little power. The UK would be an example.

Are you sure? I would say Scotland is approaching almost complete autonomy at this point...

[Knifeboy]

The National (federal) government has most of the power, while a state (provincial) and local gov't have very little power. The UK would be an example.

I guess it is. As it should be, anything else would be ridiculous for a less than 6 million people small country

[Tyr]

Knifeboy, since you vote on a weekday, do you have the day off?

[Knifeboy]

Nah, if you have trouble making it to the voting booths (which are open most of the day), then you just vote by mail

[guitrguy]

Are you sure? I would say Scotland is approaching almost complete autonomy at this point...

I knew Scotland was trying to separate, but I wasn't sure exactly how close they were to it.

[Knifeboy]

I'm still not really sure if Denmark is unitarian.. When I think about it, Greenland and Faero islands, are sorta part of Denmark too, but they have seperate governments..

Our "local govt's" have control of, to some degree, taxes, and budgets and stuff.. But not much else

[guitrguy]

But for the most part the National gov't controls the laws?

[Tyr]

Nah, if you have trouble making it to the voting booths (which are open most of the day), then you just vote by mail

It seems to be the same as in Sweden, except we always vote on a Sunday.

[Knifeboy]

For some strange reason we always seem to vote on a tuesday.. Not every time, but most of the time

But for the most part the National gov't controls the laws?



Yes. That makes it unitarian I'm guessing?

[guitrguy]

Yep, not that its a bad thing. It usually makes for a more efficient government.

The US votes on the first Tuesday in November, if there is an election that year.

[Knifeboy]

That wouldn't work here.
The prime minister has the right to announce an election at any time.. (Though after four years he's forced to do so)
Last time we had an election was 2 years ago

[Tyr]

Yep, not that its a bad thing. It usually makes for a more efficient government.

The US votes on the first Tuesday in November, if there is an election that year.

We have the same thing, only it's the next to last Sunday in September, if I remember correctly.

[guitrguy]

That wouldn't work here.
The prime minister has the right to announce an election at any time.. (Though after four years he's forced to do so)
Last time we had an election was 2 years ago

Wow. Elections are set for every X amount of years. An official can get recalled, and then that would be the only time an unscheduled election would happen.

[Knifeboy]

There's a lot of things that can happen in the danish system that will leave the prime minister unable to pass through the legislation that he wants, (This is one of the reasons our government is seen as being one of the most democratic)... The only way to remedy this, is to hold an election and hope he gets more support than he has atm.

What happened this time, was the due to the last election, the political party who won (Venstre), had to include a party (dansk folkeparti) that's pretty much equivalent to the british BNP to have enough mandates to get legislation passed. So after a couple of years of this, a lot of politicians had enough, and started a new political party to counter the power of the aforementioned DF, this meant that a lot of politicans with mandates left Venstre and joined this party, meaning that Venstre lost enough power to not be able to pass the major changes they're trying to push through


As the polls are looking now, Venstre will win, but it'll have to join in with both DF, and this new party that's like the anti-DF.. To have enough mandates..
Which will mean that the next election will probably come even sooner

[guitrguy]

Sound interesting. I wish the US gov't was as adaptable.

[Knifeboy]

It'd solve a lot of problems... I'm certain

Plus, it'd make American politics ten times more interesting!

[guitrguy]

Very much. There would actually be something, other than two parties spitting rhetoric, going on.

[Smokey D]

Are you sure? I would say Scotland is approaching almost complete autonomy at this point...

The UK is still pretty unitary, even after the devolution movements, since the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly only have limited, delegated responsibility and are still beholden to the goodwill of the UK Parliament. Although Scotland and Wales have considerably more autonomy than they did in the past, sovereignty still exclusively resides in Westminster.

Sound interesting. I wish the US gov't was as adaptable.

You should read Juan Linz's the Perils of Presidentialism. But I should point out that a PM with a parliamentary majority is actually a lot stronger institutionally than a president, and can get a lot more legislation through that would be stopped in a system of robust checks and balances.

[Dave de Sylvia]

The US doesn't need to be that adaptable. Congress is as much, if not more, based on concensus than the Scandinavian models.

[Smokey D]

And not just consensus with other Congressmen, but with the president as well.

[guitrguy]

You should read Juan Linz's the Perils of Presidentialism. But I should point out that a PM with a parliamentary majority is actually a lot stronger institutionally than a president, and can get a lot more legislation through that would be stopped in a system of robust checks and balances.

Will do.

[Reaganista]

man parliaments are ****ing dumb aristede briand was prime minister like 8 different times or something wtf is up with that

[Smokey D]

Yeah, so?

PMs don't have very many independent powers. They have to appeal to the parliament every time they want to do something interesting, and as such there doesn't need to be the sort of limitations on power accumulation there need to be in presidential systems.

[Reaganista]

people cant be bothered to keep up with the guy in charge if it changes every couple months and with no warning

[Smokey D]

Okay, how often does that happen outside of Italy?

And by the way, using Aristide Briand as an example is really dumb.

[Reaganista]

who cares how often it happens parliaments are stupid because it can happen

[Smokey D]

It can happen in presidencies as well.

But it won't really happen in either system outside of a major political crisis.

[Reaganista]

except it doesnt happen in america

[Smokey D]

That's retarded and contradictory. Keep up with what you're saying

X ... are stupid because it can happen

[Reaganista]

That's retarded and contradictory. Keep up with what you're saying
it doesnt happen in america because america is awesome
it happens everywhere else because parliaments are stupid
this is very simple

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Election time is soon in Australia. I fear poor old John may get the boot. Labour govt. for a while, which is no fun. Although them wrecking the economy will make it easier to get a house, which is a plus.

[ringworm]

we should all invest in this company

http://www.theaircar.com/

[Dr Hooch]

we should all invest in this company

http://www.theaircar.com/

driving range to close to 2000 km with zero pollution

Stopped reading here because this is just such a stupid statement

[ringworm]

well, uh, besides the current compressors that use electricity to operate, the car itself runs on compressed air, which doesnt pollute, so am I missing something?

[Dr Hooch]

well, uh, besides the current compressors that use electricity to operate, the car itself runs on compressed air, which doesnt pollute, so am I missing something?

Yes! It's just so heartcrushingly misleading to imply that since the pollution isn't made *in the car*, that it doesn't exist at all.

[Knifeboy]

Stopped reading here because this is just such a stupid statement

Way to cut off the sentence
"close to 2000 km with zero pollution in cities"

[Mr. Ron]

**** all of you, I have a pegasus.

[ringworm]

Yes! It's just so heartcrushingly misleading to imply that since the pollution isn't made *in the car*, that it doesn't exist at all.
well, yeah, I thought that was a given, but it still LOADS better than petrol, amirite? :) jeesh, tough crowd :naughty:

[Mr. Ron]

That "smart car" is starting to sell in America. The one thats only 8.5 feet long.

[ringworm]

**** all of you, I have a pegasus.
http://i6.tinypic.com/72rudeu.jpg


:p :p

[guitrguy]

:lol:

[Mr. Ron]

http://i6.tinypic.com/72rudeu.jpg


:p :p

.....I love you.

[ringworm]

its been killin me for a few hours now for you to see that, lol :p

[Mr. Ron]

I will never disagree with you ever again, I'm in tears.

[ringworm]

lol, good stuff :p

glad you liked it, I posted it in the pit community thread too, DBoon & Tess cracked up

[Dr Hooch]

well, yeah, I thought that was a given, but it still LOADS better than petrol, amirite? :) jeesh, tough crowd :naughty:

I doubt it.

Not til fusion gets viable.

[staticaxe]

hello smart people

[Mr. Ron]

eym dum

[staticaxe]

so what books are u guys reading i just read goosebumps where she turned into the chicken and they ate her

[Iskandar]

Um, okay.

[guitrguy]

:lol: looks like tronn found a new forum.

[Mr. Ron]

so what books are u guys reading i just read goosebumps where she turned into the chicken and they ate her

I have every single goosebumps book. \m/

[Iskandar]

Goosebumps was terrible.

[guitrguy]

When you were in elementary school goosebumps owned everything.

[Mr. Ron]

pretty much. I had them color coordinated on my bookshelf.

[Iskandar]

I gave them up when I realized they were so infantile that I could read one in a single sitting.

[Mr. Ron]

You're such a party pooper isk

[guitrguy]

So _____, I thought you were going to be gone for two months.