PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Shell]

hey you know what sucks realizing at the end of sophomore year that you're sick of your major


Also... when you have been out of high school for 5 years and still haven't gotten your bachelor's degree. :(

[Iskandar]

hey you know what sucks realizing at the end of sophomore year that you're sick of your major
Hwut is your major?

[Reaganista]

Hwut is your major?
no not hwut, history/poli sci

[Iskandar]

no not hwut, history/poli sci
Well, hwut do you want to do with your life?

Once you insulted my choice of a major and I didn't like it; I am not going to do that to you.

[Reaganista]

I don't remember your major but I'm sure it's very canadian

Well, hwut do you want to do with your life?

I dunno

[Shell]

What are even your options with a history/poli science major... other than teaching?

[Iskandar]

I don't remember your major but I'm sure it's very canadian


I dunno
English; but I'm not going into it for another year. You said it was "useless" (quote) and advised me to go for something useful in the job market.

I guess it's commie-Canuckian to think I can make a living without submitting to a bougie.

I thought you wanted to have a legal profession. You'd better hurry and decide, man! I already have.

I think you'd do well in the legal system.

[Reaganista]

What are even your options with a history/poli science major... other than teaching?
law school, the army, international business or diplomacy, government or NGO bueacracy, punditry


English; but I'm not going into it for another year. You said it was "useless" (quote) and advised me to go for something useful in the job market.
without a minor in french?
not very canadian of you

I guess it's commie-Canuckian to think I can make a living without submitting to a bougie.
you are a bougie don't you remember my thread about that

I thought you wanted to have a legal profession. You'd better hurry and decide, man! I already have.
I think you'd do well in the legal system.

well of course I would but I think it'll bore me

[Iskandar]

without a minor in french?
not very canadian of you


you are a bougie don't you remember my thread about that



well of course I would but I think it'll bore me
a) I already speak passible French, I guess.
b) Haha, no. It was a good thread though.
c) Yeah, it would bore me too. Law bores me almost as much as personal finance, which I firmly believe is the dullest thing ever devised.

[Reaganista]

I guess I could just become a coke head to try to pass the time

or golf

ugh

[Iskandar]

I guess I could just become a coke head to try to pass the time

or golf

ugh
You need an unrealistic, idealistic ambition. Mine is to become a novelist.

[Reaganista]

my creative writing professor told me it would be easy for me to be a professional writer :p

[Iskandar]

my creative writing professor told me it would be easy for me to be a professional writer :p
You could do it if you have the vocation. All one needs is idealism and an axe to grind.

I'm fully convinced that it's my ideal occupation for myriad reasons. You need to find an occupation which just seems perfect for you.

[Reaganista]

I can't stand working

maybe I'll be a professional communist

[Iskandar]

I can't stand working

maybe I'll be a professional communist
If it's a job you truly love, it won't be work. This is oddly in accordance with Marxist ideals.

I can't think of anything I'd like better than hacking away on a computerm churning out hackneyed (I just wanted to use a word with the root "hack-" again) novels.

[Reaganista]

you're a hack

[Iskandar]

you're a hack
If by that you mean I hack away at the capitalist state

[Reaganista]

lol that was lame

[Amit]

lame like the real life application of socialism ooo burn

[Iskandar]

lol that was lame
I was being facetious boi


Hey Eggo maybe I'll write a novel satirizing bougie Indian pre-med students

[Amit]

you could do that but then i'd use my massive amounts of money procured from capitalist pigs with acne and psoriasis to buy out yore seoul

[Reaganista]

too easy

[Amit]

that too

[Iskandar]

you could do that but then i'd use my massive amounts of money procured from capitalist pigs with acne and psoriasis to buy out yore seoul
Not going to happen

[Amit]

Not going to happen

that's what the last commie said

[Iskandar]

that's what the last commie said
nah

My dream will be realized. I hope you will buy my first novel and enjoy it

(or if the commie utopia is realized, you might get it in exchange for labour)

[Amit]

nah

My dream will be realized. I hope you will buy my first novel and enjoy it

(or if the commie utopia is realized, you might get it in exchange for labour)

haha in your dreams

maybe i'll give you a discount at my dermatology practice when you commies all get sun cancer from all the kollektive farming

[Iskandar]

haha in your dreams

maybe i'll give you a discount at my dermatology practice when you commies all get sun cancer from all the kollektive farming
Kollektive fiction writing?

It's been done before successfully.

And yes, I do dream of a better world.

[Amit]

Kollektive fiction writing?

It's been done before successfully.

And yes, I do dream of a better world.

i came from bangladesh and we weren't part of the lucky muslim upperclass minority

my grandparents were both incredibly poor farmers (and hindu as well) and lived in appalling conditions

but really tell me more about all the suffering you undergo in terrible terrible canada

[Joel_DK_Clash]

Just because he lives in Canada doesent mean he doesent care about people who don't have what he has....or does it?

[Amit]

no i just love how he's dreaming of a better world in his little haven in canada when over 30,000 children die each day from not having enough to eat or basic healthcare

[Iskandar]

no i just love how he's dreaming of a better world in his little haven in canada when over 30,000 children die each day from not having enough to eat or basic healthcare
I dream of a better world

as in, the entire planet of Earth.

[Amit]

I dream of a better world

as in, the entire planet of Earth.

yeah and socialism simply doesn't have the means to help the third world

[RockAndRoll]

yeah and socialism simply doesn't have the means to help the third world
Can you read? he said "a better world" not three, jackass! :p

[Iskandar]

yeah and socialism simply doesn't have the means to help the third world
It has to go through the capitalist stage first, before it moves on to something better.

[lfantwister]

New York is a sexy place to live. Hvas you noticed taht the washintgon monument is extraordnarilyu phallic? That was a separate thought

mmm im going there because i got signed up for a pro chioce convention. im ****in pro life what do i do????


A: drink more!!!

[Iskandar]

New York is a sexy place to live. Hvas you noticed taht the washintgon monument is extraordnarilyu phallic? That was a separate thought

mmm im going there because i got signed up for a pro chioce convention. im ****in pro life what do i do????


A: drink more!!!
I've noticed how phallic it is before ... but aren't all towers?

You're pro-life? Really? I'm surprised.

A: Drinking more sounds good if not for the fact that I drank a lot both Friday and Saturday. I need to give my poor liver a break.

[lfantwister]

I've noticed how phallic it is before ... but aren't all towers?

this one in particular. At night it lights up perfectly
You're pro-life? Really? I'm surprised.
hooray!

[PerpetualBurn]

I really hate the stupidity of the PR in American played by branding groups with terms like "pro-life" and "pro-choice" so that they can dance around the point with empty rhetoric. Pro-abortion. Anti-abortion. Let's not dumb things down.

[guitrguy]

Thats why I love America!!

[coheneran]

I'm back! I just spent a weekend helping tie up all the loose ends of our soon-to-be-evicted social centre. I feel satisfied and fulfilled, and in two weeks' time we will be meeting to decide on when/where/how to open a new social centre. How did you spend your weekend?

[PerpetualBurn]

I drank a lot on Friday, revised for my Chem exam (just taken it, no more shoddy exams), watched the England game, slept. I feel like a better person for it.

[coheneran]

I just watched a documentary on Mark Collett. Why are all the pretty ones Nazis?:upset:

[Iskandar]

On the weekend I drank a lot and went paintballing (not at the same time).

It was fun. :cool:
I really hate the stupidity of the PR in American played by branding groups with terms like "pro-life" and "pro-choice" so that they can dance around the point with empty rhetoric. Pro-abortion. Anti-abortion. Let's not dumb things down.
Yeah, they are really dumb and unspecific terms.

[coheneran]

I like pro-choice. I'm not pro-abortion, but I'm not anti-abortion either. I don't feel like I have a right to tell any woman what to do with her womb (since the nearest I can ever get to childbirth is taking a really big turd).

[Iskandar]

I like pro-choice. I'm not pro-abortion, but I'm not anti-abortion either. I don't feel like I have a right to tell any woman what to do with her womb (since the nearest I can ever get to childbirth is taking a really big turd).
I hear ya man.

The main reason I'm pro-choice, though, is that I don't consider a fetus to be human if it hasn't reached the stage of exoutero (I think?) viability.

[coheneran]

If I was a stupider person, I would say that you're not a human being until you're in my phone book, but even Bill Hicks can only be taken so far.

There's a documentary on Channel4 about how memories are also stored in the heart. Like, this big fat businessman got a heart transplant, and suddenly he put his career aside and started working out hard, and being really sporty etc., and a year later he found out that his donor was a stuntsman. There are quite a few examples like that on this program, for example a man who got a heart from a black kid who was run over, and then all of a sudden developed a taste for classical music, and it turned out that the donor was a classical violinist. The program says maybe there are neurons in the heart, I reckon maybe since a heart is trained for the lifetime of the person to that person's choice of lifestyle (for example, a stuntman's heart would obviously be healthier, but would also deal with shocks and adrenaline better).

[Atomic Rain]

maybe.

Once enough heart transpants take place, that ****'s bound to go down anyway. Having an organ replaced and coming that close to death is bound to be a life changing experience anyway.

[Amit]

There's a d0cumentary on Channel4 about how memories are also stored in the heart. Like, this big fat businessman got a heart transplant, and suddenly he put his career aside and started working out hard, and being really sporty etc., and a year later he found out that his donor was a stuntsman. There are quite a few examples like that on this program, for example a man who got a heart from a black kid who was run over, and then all of a sudden developed a taste for classical music, and it turned out that the donor was a classical violinist. The program says maybe there are neurons in the heart, I reckon maybe since a heart is trained for the lifetime of the person to that person's choice of lifestyle (for example, a stuntman's heart would obviously be healthier, but would also deal with shocks and adrenaline better).

as a neuroscience major

that immediately strikes me as bullshit

but we'll see...

[coheneran]

Here's the link if you're interested:
http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/W/who_gets_the_heart/index.html

[thedeadwalk!]

I've heard of deep-tissue massages triggering repressed memories, suggesting possible locations outside of the brain for "memory" cells.

I never thought of the affects of this transfer of cells from organ transplants, though. That's very interesting.

It's too early to call this "bullshit," as the brain is staggeringly complex. It baffles me that the brain doesn't feel any pain and that brain surgery is performed while the patient is awake, with no anesthetics.

[Amit]

we're talking about the heart not the brain

and it's pretty simple why the brain doesn't feel pain

it has no pain nerves

[A Spoonful Supreme]

I've heard of deep-tissue massages triggering repressed memories, suggesting possible locations outside of the brain for "memory" cells.

I never thought of the affects of this transfer of cells from organ transplants, though. That's very interesting.

It's too early to call this "bullshit," as the brain is staggeringly complex. It baffles me that the brain doesn't feel any pain and that brain surgery is performed while the patient is awake, with no anesthetics.

Wow, I did not know that, anyone seen Hannibal?

[coheneran]

No, but I read a book about acupuncture once, and it had testaments of all kinds of operations being done while the patient was awake, talking to the doctors, but couldn't feel a thing because of just a few needles in the correct points. If you've never had acupuncture, you should try it next time you have a serious pain or symptom. It's incredible, I love it. And, contrary to what people say, it doesn't hurt any more than holding a needle very softly against your skin does.

[thedeadwalk!]

we're talking about the heart not the brain

and it's pretty simple why the brain doesn't feel pain

it has no pain nerves
We're talking about memories being stored elsewhere besides the brain. I doubt it'd be up to the heart to put memory cells in it.

Perhaps the brain feeling pain was a bad example, but it is still not wholly understood. I'm sure you'll agree to that.

[Amit]

We're talking about memories being stored elsewhere besides the brain. I doubt it'd be up to the heart to put memory cells in it.

well considering the heart is easily the most studied, used, and researched organ out there

and also considering nothing has ever been found in it other than cardiac muscle tissue

hmm

Perhaps the brain feeling pain was a bad example, but it is still not wholly understood. I'm sure you'll agree to that.

nothing is ever wholly understood but the brain not feeling pain is a very simple and logical concept

[thedeadwalk!]

well considering the heart is easily the most studied, used, and researched organ out there

and also considering nothing has ever been found in it other than cardiac muscle tissue

hmm
How would you explain these coincidences in taste?

[Amit]

How would you explain these coincidences in taste?

Unless they have proof of this occurring in even 1% of all the heart transplants ever done, it's just another hokey coincidence capitalized by the media to make money.

[coheneran]

Maybe memories aren't stored like files are stored on a computer. Maybe they are constantly travelling around the body's neurones (I'm in no way being assertive with any of these theories, I've never passed or taken one biology exam), which would be a basic and pretty bad explanation as to why we constantly forget something and then remember it later.

[Amit]

neurons associated with memory are only found in the brain

[coheneran]

neurons associated with memory are only found in the brain*

*Have only been found in the brain.

But I'll take your word for it that this thing is most likely crappola. So, do we know how memory works? Is it just stored in these neurons, or does it travel, or something else? Just curious.

[Amit]

*Have only been found in the brain.

no they are only found in the brain

the vast majority of neurons are found only in the brain anyway

exceptions are those found in the peripheral nervous system and those are far too simple to have anything to do with memory (and it's darned inefficient for memories to be stored so far away from the brain anyway)

But I'll take your word for it that this thing is most likely crappola. So, do we know how memory works? Is it just stored in these neurons, or does it travel, or something else? Just curious.

it's really really complicated but one could say it's stored in neurons of certain parts of the hippocampus and neocortex

[coheneran]

Ok, new theory:

The heart is like a book for a person's emotions. When someone is enjoying themselves, their heart beats a certain way, and with a slight variation for many different things. So, if I listened to and played lots of classical music, the part of my brain which controls (let's call it) sound preference is approving of this music the ears are receiving, and the part of my brain that is responsible for creating the chemicals that cause what we call pleasure does its job, and so my heart would be beating a certain pattern and rhythm (all of these parts/factors have a relationship with each other, remember that). Since I do this everyday, and many hours during the day, my heart would be used to beating that certain pattern above many others, apart from when I sleep and maybe eat.

I'm trying to work out how that would cause another person with my heart to enjoy classical music. I think there is something there.

Oh yes, I'll just clear up about how a heart can be "used to" beating a certain pattern when particular factors (such as classical music>endorphins) are introduced. Obviously the heart has no consciousness which allows it to be affected by "force of habit", but what does happen is because my heart spent so much time beating a certain pattern and rhythm that the parts most involved in that P&R are more developed.

Any of that speak to you?

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

it speaks right to my heart. you must be in med school or something cos you're well smart

[Amit]

sorry there's no biological/chemical/physiological basis for that theory

[coheneran]

Okay, that's fine.

[coheneran]

One of the last survivors of WW1 is 110 and was 19 when he joined up! I never realised how long ago that war was.

The Israeli army has invaded the Gaza Strip less than a year after it pulled out. Why am I not surprised?

Australia is blatantly out for the East Timorese oil, encouraging a coup and then sending in 2500 troops for peace-keeping. The Prime Minister that just resigned was an economic nationalist, and I think he had something against privatising the oil. What a hippie.:rolleyes:

Naomi Campbell, in court for throwing a jewel-encrusted mobile phone at her servant. GOD! When will those migrant workers learn to accept a pay bonus?!

That was the news in brief.

[PerpetualBurn]

I remember when Channel 4 did a documentary called "Does Snuff Exist?".

It lasted one dull uneventful hour.

The answer was "No. No it doesn't".

[coheneran]

Snuff?

[PerpetualBurn]

Snuff films.

[coheneran]

Ohhh, violent pron?

[PerpetualBurn]

No, people killed on film with the intent of selling the video for profit

[coheneran]

Everyone go to my new thread and talk about Vietnam!

[misterglitch]

Hey PNWI forum!

[coheneran]

Hey Mr. Glitch!

[Iskandar]

It's too early to call this "bullshit," as the brain is staggeringly complex. It baffles me that the brain doesn't feel any pain and that brain surgery is performed while the patient is awake, with no anesthetics.
Nah, it makes evolutionary sense. There's no reason for the brain to feel pain. If your brain is in contact with stimulii, you're probably dead already.

[coheneran]

Or on cocaine.

[Reaganista]

speaking about evolutionary sense

what the **** is up with menopause?

[Iskandar]

speaking about evolutionary sense

what the **** is up with menopause?
It renders women unable to reproduce at ages when it might be dangerous.

Dunno about the side effects, though.

[Amit]

It renders women unable to reproduce at ages when it might be dangerous.

bingo

after 40, the risks of congenital birth defects shoot through the roof

[RockAndRoll]

:lol:

That's one of life's great mysteries.

[Iskandar]

bingo

after 40, the risks of congenital birth defects shoot through the roof
Not to mention dangerous to the mother. It's not a good idea to undergo childbirth when you're 60 with osteoporosis.

[Shell]

speaking about evolutionary sense

what the **** is up with menopause?

Depends on what you're talking about specifically. When a woman goes through menopause, she stops producing eggs, therefore no longer has a menstrual period, and is no longer able to have children. Because of all this, they have a decrease in the amount of hormones in their bodies. This leads to the mood swings, hot flashes, night sweats, etc.

[Reaganista]

bingo

after 40, the risks of congenital birth defects shoot through the roof

well even if that's not related to menopause as long as some of those kids survive and reproduce there should be an effect of selecting against menopause

Not to mention dangerous to the mother. It's not a good idea to undergo childbirth when you're 60 with osteoporosis.
a woman dying at 50 or dying at 150 is no different from an evolutionary perspective

[Iskandar]

So who's moderating this forum, the ex-mods who left? I thought we were going to get two new mods in their absence.

[Reaganista]

vote 4 me

[Dave de Sylvia]

Med is still a mod so he'll probably delete this thread some day.

[griftadan]

whats up forum? i've been out of town for awhile.

[PerpetualBurn]

So has the forum.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

this place sucks without zero

[Iskandar]

People, your government has returned to you!

[griftadan]

o rly?

[Iskandar]

o rly?
You have been liberated by Soviet Army!

Отправьте с Коммунизмом!

[coheneran]

Do we have any Ukrainians? Need to organise some revolt against the oppressive Stalinist regime.

Wouldn't it be cool if we could set up a forum sim-revolution? Like when we had those joke elections with the hilarious parties (best one was easily the Pirate People's Party, but the funniest was the Anti-Descartes Party; I do not think therefore I don't exist).

[Iskandar]

Do we have any Ukrainians? Need to organise some revolt against the oppressive Stalinist regime.
You are a counter-revolutionary radical! You will be sent to Siberia until your "re-education" is complete.

Wouldn't it be cool if we could set up a forum sim-revolution? Like when we had those joke elections with the hilarious parties (best one was easily the Pirate People's Party, but the funniest was the Anti-Descartes Party; I do not think therefore I don't exist).
I think that's how this forum started actually....

[griftadan]

Do we have any Ukrainians? Need to organise some revolt against the oppressive Stalinist regime.

Wouldn't it be cool if we could set up a forum sim-revolution? Like when we had those joke elections with the hilarious parties (best one was easily the Pirate People's Party, but the funniest was the Anti-Descartes Party; I do not think therefore I don't exist).

my girlfriends ukrainian. so i guess maybe it "rubs off" on me.

[Iskandar]

my girlfriends ukrainian. so i guess maybe it "rubs off" on me.
:eek:

You're fraternizing with the enemy!

[coheneran]

I'm gonna assassinate Dropper, Emma Goldman style. How long does a failed assassination get me in Siberia?

[Iskandar]

I'm gonna assassinate Dropper, Emma Goldman style. How long does a failed assassination get me in Siberia?
Life sentencing of heavy labour and "re-education" in Siberian gulag.


(Since when does Emma have an assassination style? :confused: )

[coheneran]

Life sentencing of heavy labour and "re-education" in Siberian gulag.


(Since when does Emma have an assassination style? :confused: )

Her and some guy tried to kill a factory owner who was a complete bastard. At first I didn't agree with the action, but when I looked at the context in a bit more detail I realised that it made sense to assassinate the boss, but these days it wouldn't. Back then, the boss (in this particular case) was like a tyrant who openly repressed the workers protests and I think he payed a couple of organisers to be killed. So killing him would change things, but now killing a company boss wouldn't because the system is more organised, both the government that gives workers a fuller illusion of justice and the companies who are organised in such a way that one man does not make all the decisions and policies.

[Iskandar]

Her and some guy tried to kill a factory owner who was a complete bastard. At first I didn't agree with the action, but when I looked at the context in a bit more detail I realised that it made sense to assassinate the boss, but these days it wouldn't. Back then, the boss (in this particular case) was like a tyrant who openly repressed the workers protests and I think he payed a couple of organisers to be killed. So killing him would change things, but now killing a company boss wouldn't because the system is more organised, both the government that gives workers a fuller illusion of justice and the companies who are organised in such a way that one man does not make all the decisions and policies.
It's not an illusion. We have more justice. Progress has been made. :)

I don't think it'd be justifiable to kill him though, even under those conditions. It's a "fight fire with fire" sort of thing. At that time anarchists had a bad enough reputation due to people like Leon Czgolz (who shot Pres. McKinley).

[coheneran]

I don't think it'd be justifiable to kill him though, even under those conditions. It's a "fight fire with fire" sort of thing. At that time anarchists had a bad enough reputation due to people like Leon Czgolz (who shot Pres. McKinley).

Well, a pacifist would not agree, but if you view the world as that of the ruling class oppressing the working class, then murdering one of those oppressors is logical if your goal is to liberate the working class. Of course, one could argue that killing off the "head" will only cause another more vicious leader to take power and that what should be done is to start with the "feet", so to speak. Nowadays, that would be true, but I think the situation then is completely different, and that anyone who takes over after the murdered boss wouldn't dare put her life in jeopardy and would pay the workers properly.

[Iskandar]

Well, a pacifist would not agree, but if you view the world as that of the ruling class oppressing the working class, then murdering one of those oppressors is logical if your goal is to liberate the working class. Of course, one could argue that killing off the "head" will only cause another more vicious leader to take power and that what should be done is to start with the "feet", so to speak. Nowadays, that would be true, but I think the situation then is completely different, and that anyone who takes over after the murdered boss wouldn't dare put her life in jeopardy and would pay the workers properly.
I view the world that way yet I still don't agree. The goal is for the lower class to take more power themselves, simply by the power inherent in their position. It needn't be complicated nor violent.

You wouldn't actually advocate killing even the worse bougie, would you?

[coheneran]

Nowadays? No. However, if I thought it would further the struggle of liberation (in this case it would have done so by bringing workers their rights and empowering others to take action) then I would.

[Iskandar]

Nowadays? No. However, if I thought it would further the struggle of liberation (in this case it would have done so by bringing workers their rights and empowering others to take action) then I would.
You mean back in the day, right? Industrial Revolution times?

[coheneran]

You mean back in the day, right? Industrial Revolution times?

I guess, since that is the context. But if it looked like helping now, I would advocate it.

[Iskandar]

I guess, since that is the context. But if it looked like helping now, I would advocate it.
But this isn't the French nobility or the Nazi Party. Even at their worst, it hasn't been that bad in the grand scheme of things.

Look at the West. What's the worst they generally do? Pay you minimum wage? Fire you for unionizing? Of course we don't want things like that, but it's a far cry from 18th-century London.

I just don't see how things like that can deserve murder. Your boss is still a human, just like you.

[coheneran]

But this isn't the French nobility or the Nazi Party. Even at their worst, it hasn't been that bad in the grand scheme of things.

Look at the West. What's the worst they generally do? Pay you minimum wage? Fire you for unionizing? Of course we don't want things like that, but it's a far cry from 18th-century London.

Those are the reasons why now I wouldn't advocate it. But there's nothing says we won't go back to the situation we were in during the 18th century. Most of our produce and almost all of our consumer goods come from areas where working and living conditions are as bad if not worse than late 18th/early 19th century.

I just don't see how things like that can deserve murder. Your boss is still a human, just like you.

I guess the way I see it is, if by killing one person I could save a thousand, would I kill the person? Logically, yes I would. Emotionally I don't know if I could kill a human being like that, but we are talking about advocating the theoretical murder, not emotional logistics of murder.

[Iskandar]

Those are the reasons why now I wouldn't advocate it. But there's nothing says we won't go back to the situation we were in during the 18th century. Most of our produce and almost all of our consumer goods come from areas where working and living conditions are as bad if not worse than late 18th/early 19th century.
Nah, I doubt it, save for a serious crisis like severe overpopulation. There's a term for a global catastrophe caused by lack of resources ... I forget it though.

We developed out of those conditions and are developing into better ones than are current. History is a process. The Third World got a later start; therefore, they're not up to our current level yet. (You'd think we'd learn from our mistakes and make their development more agreeable; but I disgress.)
I guess the way I see it is, if by killing one person I could save a thousand, would I kill the person? Logically, yes I would. Emotionally I don't know if I could kill a human being like that, but we are talking about advocating the theoretical murder, not emotional logistics of murder.
Yeah, I absolutely agree. But class struggle isn't (well, not usually) murder. It's killing one person in an attempt to improve conditions for 1000, not to save them from death.

[coheneran]

Nah, I doubt it, save for a serious crisis like severe overpopulation. There's a term for a global catastrophe caused by lack of resources ... I forget it though.

Fair enough.

We developed out of those conditions and are developing into better ones than are current. History is a process. The Third World got a later start; therefore, they're not up to our current level yet. (You'd think we'd learn from our mistakes and make their development more agreeable; but I disgress.)

I don't think that they are late bloomers. I think that they are our lowest working class. Before globalisation we (the workers) had to go through terrible conditions and measly pay and little rights, now we have great conditions, a fair minimum wage, and loads of working rights and benefits. The 3rd World workers don't, however. They just took our place down the "production line".

Yeah, I absolutely agree. But class struggle isn't (well, not usually) murder. It's killing one person in an attempt to improve conditions for 1000, not to save them from death.

I see murder as murder, and there's no difference between killing on the battlefield, executing a traitor and murdering the man who 'stole' your wife. Taking human life is murder. But I'm glad we agree on the fundamentals of it.:)

[Iskandar]

I don't think that they are late bloomers. I think that they are our lowest working class. Before globalisation we (the workers) had to go through terrible conditions and measly pay and little rights, now we have great conditions, a fair minimum wage, and loads of working rights and benefits. The 3rd World workers don't, however. They just took our place down the "production line".
Well, they're going to develop to our standard eventually. The problem is that our economic hegemony keeps them from developing as quickly as we did. We could develop quickly because Western powers were (still are) on top.

The development of technology will assist as well. Machines will take the lowest, most menial assembly-line type jobs (they already are in the process).




But I'm glad we agree on the fundamentals of it.:)Yepper.:thumb:

[coheneran]

What we need is an IW3W to start organising the 3rd world workers.

[Iskandar]

What we need is an IW3W to start organising the 3rd world workers.
That would probably require a large, bureaucratic governing apparatus and I am opposed to such things ... but I agree with the basic idea.

Another good would be pressure on governments to pass certain labour laws. It's no use unionizing if it gets you fired.

[coheneran]

That would probably require a large, bureaucratic governing apparatus and I am opposed to such things ... but I agree with the basic idea.

Another good would be pressure on governments to pass certain labour laws. It's no use unionizing if it gets you fired.

No, we shouldn't become reliant on the government to intervene, especially if that government is capitalist. The only reason western working conditions and laws became what they are is because people DID unionise and DID fight and DID die and DID get fired.

Also, I don't a Workers of the 3rd World organisation would need to be bureaucratic, the IWW wasn't.

[Iskandar]

No, we shouldn't become reliant on the government to intervene, especially if that government is capitalist. The only reason western working conditions and laws became what they are is because people DID unionise and DID fight and DID die and DID get fired.
It's not really relying on the government. It's just passing a law favourable to unionization. From there, a solid base can be established and workers can take things into their own hands. It's a one-time thing.

It's like setting up a democracy so people have the chance to choose.

Also, I don't a Workers of the 3rd World organisation would need to be bureaucratic, the IWW wasn't.
Aren't they still around? I feel dumb for forgetting.:upset:

[coheneran]

It's not really relying on the government. It's just passing a law favourable to unionization. From there, a solid base can be established and workers can take things into their own hands. It's a one-time thing.

It's like setting up a democracy so people have the chance to choose.


Aren't they still around? I feel dumb for forgetting.:upset:

They are still around, nowhere near the same strength though.

Just you can't expect a fascist dictatorship to set up a democratic process without enormous pressure from the population, you can't expect a capitalist state to pass pro-union laws without pressure from the workers.

[griftadan]

:eek:

You're fraternizing with the enemy!

i'll say.

man, are commies the only thing keeping this forum going?

[coheneran]

Commies and royalists.

[PerpetualBurn]

It's amazing that I'm considered a rampant lefty everywhere except here.

[Amit]

i dunno what i'm considered besides awesome

[Shell]

i dunno what i'm considered besides awesome

:rolleyes:

[Amit]

what

[PerpetualBurn]

Atman and Obin.

[Amit]

haha

[PerpetualBurn]

I wrote a screenplay about it, but it ended up infringing on one written years earlier.

[Amit]

That's how the industry goes :-(

[Iskandar]

Just you can't expect a fascist dictatorship to set up a democratic process without enormous pressure from the population, you can't expect a capitalist state to pass pro-union laws without pressure from the workers.
That's easy in a democracy though. The working class form a supermajority in every capitalist nation.
man, are commies the only thing keeping this forum going?
What did I tell you? Commies can keep something going.

unless some batshit crazy Stalin type comes along

Watch out for Fenwood!

[coheneran]

It's amazing that I'm considered a rampant lefty everywhere except here.

I consider you a leftie, just an aggressive one.

May I ask your first name? I know quite a number of aggressive lefties in Yorkshire.

[PerpetualBurn]

Andrew.

[coheneran]

That's easy in a democracy though. The working class form a supermajority in every capitalist nation.

When the democracy of a state is hopelessly interconnected and merged with the capitalism of a state (as is in our case), it is almost impossible to get a law like that passed, and just the fact that we've had to struggle 200 years and are still struggling should show that. There have been tremendous achievements, but also tremendous setbacks (such as privatisation). The reason why capitalism and democracy don't work optimally together is that democracy's structure of power is of equality while capitalism's is of oligarchy.

[coheneran]

Andrew.

Eran. I know a couple of leftie/anarchist Andrews, but I'm not sure where they're from. One is in Afed.

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm on the outskirts of Sheffield.

[coheneran]

I see.

[Iskandar]

When the democracy of a state is hopelessly interconnected and merged with the capitalism of a state (as is in our case), it is almost impossible to get a law like that passed, and just the fact that we've had to struggle 200 years and are still struggling should show that. There have been tremendous achievements, but also tremendous setbacks (such as privatisation). The reason why capitalism and democracy don't work optimally together is that democracy's structure of power is of equality while capitalism's is of oligarchy.
Representative democracy is kind of an oligarchy as well ... except it can be changed periodically....

You must agree, though, that electing a worker-friendly party is far more effective and useful than a neo-liberal type of party. They won't wipe your *** for you, but they will establish more favourable conditions or at least ensure those conditions won't be removed en masse.

200 years is nothing btw ... humans have been reforming society since agrarianism.:p These things take time. We can't just seize control and dictate how we want things to be; that's failed every time. We have to take steps, ensure everything's in order, then repeat.

[coheneran]

You're right, but unions are still shackling methods of revolution, because they only help to improve worker conditions and morale, they do not fight the capitalist system, only reform it, which is not enough. They are a good tool which I agree with and will be involved in the use of, but they are not the way to go forward to revolution.

[Iskandar]

You're right, but unions are still shackling methods of revolution, because they only help to improve worker conditions and morale, they do not fight the capitalist system, only reform it, which is not enough. They are a good tool which I agree with and will be involved in the use of, but they are not the way to go forward to revolution.
This is where the leftist split occurs ... :upset:

Well, I'm a syndicalist; so I believe unions have the power to smoothly enact a transformation from capitalism to ... whatever you want to call it. "Libertarian socialism" can be used as a vague term.

What methods do you propose?

[coheneran]

What methods do you propose?

Can't we all just get along...?:p

Technically I'm an anarchist-communist, but no-one has yet explained to me the difference between that and anarcho-synd satisfactorily. All I'm sure of is that unions have a boundary which anarchist revolution cannot fully cross, if you get what I mean, and so will not be part of the revolution proper.

[Iskandar]

Can't we all just get along...?:p

Technically I'm an anarchist-communist, but no-one has yet explained to me the difference between that and anarcho-synd satisfactorily. All I'm sure of is that unions have a boundary which anarchist revolution cannot fully cross, if you get what I mean, and so will not be part of the revolution proper.
I honestly don't see a major difference between the two, besides that.

Anarchism is much more unified than, say, Communism; which varies from Stalin to Trotsky in major ideologies and much farther in individual belief. The last thing we need is petty infighting. That's what killed the Spanish revolutions in the Spanish Civil War.

In any event, how do you define "revolution"? Is it an event, or a process? At what point do you believe it should occur?

[coheneran]

Remind me to reply to this post when it's not 3am will ya? Thanks man.:)

[Der Übermensch]

Technically I'm an anarchist-communist, but no-one has yet explained to me the difference between that and anarcho-synd
an-com is more inclined towards rural, agricultural areas, which sydicalism is more geared towards the industrial, urban, union based areas. They are somewhat interconnected, as they both can make use of the other.

[Iskandar]

an-com is more inclined towards rural, agricultural areas, which sydicalism is more geared towards the industrial, urban, union based areas. They are somewhat interconnected, as they both can make use of the other.
IMO the terms should have a synthesized meaning.

Agricultural workers can be and often are unionized.

[Der Übermensch]

I wasn't trying to give any kind of definition that would satisfy a dictionary, but merely how the historical applications have seemed to sway. Sydicalism is union oriented, and urban based, while ancom is usually found in less centralized areas where Unions are non-existstant, or at least not as central.

[Iskandar]

I wasn't trying to give any kind of definition that would satisfy a dictionary, but merely how the historical applications have seemed to sway. Sydicalism is union oriented, and urban based, while ancom is usually found in less centralized areas where Unions are non-existstant, or at least not as central.
Yeah, I hear ya. I'd have to agree.

[coheneran]

Yes, we are definitely anti-hierarchy and bureaucracy, and I hear unions got lots of that.

[Iskandar]

Yes, we are definitely anti-hierarchy and bureaucracy, and I hear unions got lots of that.
They operate under representative democracy, which is the transitional stage to direct democracy.

[griftadan]

What did I tell you? Commies can keep something going.

unless some batshit crazy Stalin type comes along

Watch out for Fenwood!

you're right you guys can keep anything going when you don't actually have to do anything to get keep something going.

[Iskandar]

you're right you guys can keep anything going when you don't actually have to do anything to get keep something going.
That's absolutely correct.:)

[coheneran]

So, I just came back from an Israel Out Of Lebanon protest and it turns out I ****ing hate nationalists. There were about 200 Lebanese flags and almost everyone was shouting "Bomb Israel!" and there was even a guy wearing a placard that said "USA + Star of David = Swastika", and I just got so angry at them all. So what did I do? That's right, I made a placard that said "Hezbollah and IDF out of the Middle-East NOW" and some guy came and started threatening me and ripping up the placard. I ****ING hate nationalism.

[Mr. Ron]

So, I just came back from an Israel Out Of Lebanon protest and it turns out I ****ing hate nationalists. There were about 200 Lebanese flags and almost everyone was shouting "Bomb Israel!" and there was even a guy wearing a placard that said "USA + Star of David = Swastika", and I just got so angry at them all. So what did I do? That's right, I made a placard that said "Hezbollah and IDF out of the Middle-East NOW" and some guy came and started threatening me and ripping up the placard. I ****ING hate nationalism.
Thats not nationalism, thats just retardation.

[coheneran]

Waving a country's flag is usually nationalistic or patriotic, and they're both pretty deplorable. The only situation I can imagine in which I would wave a non-black flag is to make the flames spread faster.

[Mr. Ron]

Waving a country's flag is usually nationalistic or patriotic, and they're both pretty deplorable. The only situation I can imagine in which I would wave a non-black flag is to make the flames spread faster.
There is nothing wrong with patriotism, as long as it is done correctly. People seem to be ashamed of showing some pride in their own people these days.

Plus, flags represent the people, not the government.

[coheneran]

There is nothing wrong with patriotism, as long as it is done correctly. People seem to be ashamed of showing some pride in their own people these days.

Class patriotism, maybe, but there's no meaningful difference other than that, borders are a lie and being born into a certain race is nothing to be proud of, that's like rolling a die and being proud you got a 6.

[thedeadwalk!]

I take pride in my work, and that's it. To quote the amazing movie in my avatar: "I don't believe I have to be loyal to one side or the other. I'm simply asking questions."

I like coheneran's analogy with the die. That's how I feel.

[Amit]

There is nothing wrong with patriotism, as long as it is done correctly. People seem to be ashamed of showing some pride in their own people these days.

Plus, flags represent the people, not the government.

their own people?

pfft that's pure identity politics

[thedeadwalk!]

One of my state's gubernatorial candidates wants to create enclave cities for prisoners who can't be rehabilitated. And I'm thinking: Escape from New York. Snake Plissken would be the greatest celebrity endorsement ever.

[coheneran]

That movie rocked.

[PerpetualBurn]

People seem to be ashamed of showing some pride in their own people these days.

It's interesting that people want to take pride in their "people's" heritage but don't run out flagellating themselves over the pretty dark past that most nations actually have.

The average patriot wants to take glory for one thing, and sweep the other under the carpet.

To be honest, I don't take much pride from something that immediate members of my family had nothing to do with.

[coheneran]

I've had many moments of great pride in humanity, but never in a specific country or peoples.

[dustindow]

I just worry about humanity. My and my buddy had a conversation about how we think that some kind of revolution, not a literal one but some drastic change, is going to happen in the next 5 years. Basicly when half of the governemnt just dies off overnight due to old age.

[griftadan]

oh my god that would rule so hard.

[Amit]

yeah man all the death and chaos is going to RAWK

[coheneran]

Definitely. If you don't mind, I'll skip this revolution and stay in to post on MX.

[griftadan]

i'm drunk. i just punched my cabinet. i think i just broke my hand.

[coheneran]

Lol @ redneck pissant.

[griftadan]

nah its fine now that i slept on it.

[Iskandar]

I can't wait until Saturday

Authentic Russian vodka w00t

[coheneran]

And I said:

"Mama, Diaspora!
Papa vs Gogol Bordella
Energiza Probudenzija i jia

Dogs were barking, monkeys clapping,
Bears were dancing, and girls were cutting loose..."

[griftadan]

i heard the polish stuff is the best.

[lfantwister]

Russian is definitely better

[Iskandar]

i heard the polish stuff is the best.
My dad's had it around from time to time, but I've never tried it.

I believe the Polish invented vodka, or at least some nation in that general region. It's all good.

[coheneran]

Russian is definitely better

Should you be drinking at your age?

[coheneran]

My dad's had it around from time to time, but I've never tried it.

I believe the Polish invented vodka, or at least some nation in that general region. It's all good.

It was also all Russia a while ago.

[griftadan]

i've moved on to nice whiskey like any good scotch/irish. vodka just doesn't settle well with me anymore.

this is of course in the rare event that i'm not drinking beer.

[Iskandar]

It was also all Russia a while ago.
:angry:
... well, for pretty much all of history.
i've moved on to nice whiskey like any good scotch/irish. vodka just doesn't settle well with me anymore.

this is of course in the rare event that i'm not drinking beer.
Hmm scotch and the like is beyond my means. I would if I could.

I dislike beer, generally. I don't like to drink more than one or two, and that's only to be social.

[lfantwister]

Should you be drinking at your age?

shadduupp. i lurrv vodka!! esp on wednesday nights

[bleep_bloop]

And I said:

"Mama, Diaspora!
Papa vs Gogol Bordella
Energiza Probudenzija i jia

Dogs were barking, monkeys clapping,
Bears were dancing, and girls were cutting loose..."

i love gogol bordello

[griftadan]

I dislike beer, generally. I don't like to drink more than one or two, and that's only to be social.

i've gotten over that, you pretty much have to if your going to a state university. i'm good with pounding 10-15, no problem.

[Iskandar]

i've gotten over that, you pretty much have to if your going to a state university. i'm good with pounding 10-15, no problem.
State university? Is that public education? ;)

[Reaganista]

you pretty much have to if your going to a state university
yeah wouldn't want to graduate with an intact liver

[PerpetualBurn]

I hear American pints are smaller anyway.

[coheneran]

Yeah, methinks pints are bigger than a litre.

Hahahahaha! Two Israeli helicopters crashed into each other over Lebanon, my brother tells me.

[RockAndRoll]

Yeah, methinks pints are bigger than a litre.

They use litres in the states now?

[PerpetualBurn]

A litre is metric and is equal to 1000ml.
An English pint is 1/8 of a gallon and is 568ml.
An American pint, I'm not sure. I think it's something like 473ml.

[RockAndRoll]

Ya, thats pretty much what wikipedia says.

1 Imperial pint (UK) = 20 UK fluid ounces ≈ 568 mL (0.56826125 litres exactly)
1 Imperial pint (UK) = 4 UK gills (this was the legal definition although in some areas a gill of milk or beer referred to 1/2 pint; elsewhere a gill was the 1/3 pint of milk given free to school children)
1 pint (U.S., wet) = 16 U.S. fluid ounces = 2 U.S. cups ≈ 473 mL (0.473176473 litres exactly)
1 pint (U.S., dry) ≈ 551 mL (0.5506104713575 litres exactly)

[PerpetualBurn]

It came up on a pub quiz recently.

On the same quiz, it also said the a recent survey (by some paper or other) showed that Northerners drink twice as much beer as Southerners. This made me happy.

[RockAndRoll]

It came up on a pub quiz recently.

On the same quiz, it also said the a recent survey (by some paper or other) showed that Northerners drink twice as much beer as Southerners. This made me happy.
:lol: Nothing to make you feel good like learning you drink more beer than other people.

[griftadan]

On the same quiz, it also said the a recent survey (by some paper or other) showed that Northerners drink twice as much beer as Southerners. This made me happy.

i guess i broke the mold or something.

[PerpetualBurn]

Yeah, but you're a Yankee.

I'm in Blighty.

[Hababi]

I'm whoring my blog

http://point-o-two.blogspot.com/

I'll probably stop updating it in a week but till then there'll be lots of pearls.

[griftadan]

Yeah, but you're a Yankee.

I'm in Blighty.

i'm no god damn yankee. if you say y'all in casual conversation than you're not a yankee.

[PerpetualBurn]

That sounds like a Yankee word to me.

[griftadan]

no, they say you's guys or some god awful **** in the north.

[Reaganista]

around here they just say shut the **** up you damn cunt of a redneck

I hear American pints are smaller anyway.
40oz = way bigger than a pint
normal can = way smaller
nobody really drinks or orders pints in the US
unless they're trying to pretend to be british and only the world's biggest assclown would want to be british

[Iskandar]

That sounds like a Yankee word to me.
Nawsuh, i's Sawth'nur.
no, they say you's guys or some god awful **** in the north.
"You guys." At least it's grammatically correct.
(At least I think they do. I've only been to a few states.)


PSA TO PHORUMS: Be happy for me. Chairman Comrade Dropper has found love and she wears a trenchcoat

[Hababi]

Man, will someone comment on one of my blog posts, just so I can make believe someone is actually reading them? :(

[coheneran]

PSA TO PHORUMS: Be happy for me. Chairman Comrade Dropper has found love and she wears a trenchcoat

Yaaay! Nothing like falling in love, may it be a happy and constructive one!

:chug: To Dropper!

I should fall in love again, it's been so long.

[Mr. Ron]

A little fun at the range today. :cool:

http://i7.tinypic.com/20uzbm8.jpg

[lfantwister]

those are some sexy purple shorts

[Mr. Ron]

those are some sexy purple shorts
They are actually pants, and they were originally brown, but faded. :-/

[RockAndRoll]

They make your butt look fat. :eek:

[Reaganista]

wtf is up with the german flag you goddamn son of a bitch
the purple pants i can forgive i guess

[Mr. Ron]

wtf is up with the german flag you goddamn son of a bitch
the purple pants i can forgive i guess
Surpluss over-shirt to keep the mosquitos off. ;)

[coheneran]

I want to form an AC/DC tribute band, who's with me?

[PerpetualBurn]

40oz = way bigger than a pint
normal can = way smaller
nobody really drinks or orders pints in the US
unless they're trying to pretend to be british and only the world's biggest assclown would want to be british

Is 40oz a bottle then? Or do you order that in a pub?

[coheneran]

Is 40oz a bottle then? Or do you order that in a pub?

It's a bottle. I think it's their equivalent of White Lightning, except not only bums and school children drink it there.

[Iskandar]

Yaaay! Nothing like falling in love, may it be a happy and constructive one!

:chug: To Dropper!

I should fall in love again, it's been so long.
Ich danke :)

Also:
I want to form an AC/DC tribute band, who's with me?
Ahh! I LOATHE THAT BAND.

[griftadan]

Is 40oz a bottle then? Or do you order that in a pub?

no, you buy at gas stations and drink them in brown paper bags on street corners. thats only if your black or a poor college student, because they're only like 1.50 for the cheap stuff.

and yes ACDC is horrible.

[coheneran]

My first hard rock band, and still my favourite if what I want is a good headbang and a nice singalong.

[Iskandar]

My first hard rock band, and still my favourite if what I want is a good headbang and a nice singalong.
I can't listen to crappu bands I used to like

"Crappu." It could almost be a word of Finnish or something.

[coheneran]

"But you turned your anger on me for the courage that you lack,
I don't want your half-arsed freedom you can have the whole deal back,
Now let me tell you something, let's get this straight from the top,
Don't call me Harp!"

Stiff Little Fingers, rock my world.

[Reaganista]

i'm sad to hear that you listen to anything other than crass

[PerpetualBurn]

Right, so next question. If I walk into a pub in America, I get my beer in what sized glass?

[coheneran]

Right, so next question. If I walk into a pub in America, I get my beer in what sized glass?

Bottle. Stay AWAY from American bars. Drink with the hobos in the railway junction instead.

[PerpetualBurn]

I drink proper draught bitter. There's no way that's the same from the bottle. It has to be on tap and I want to know what size glass I'd get.

[Reaganista]

it depends
bars aren't standardized

[PerpetualBurn]

What a crazy country.

[coheneran]

Hands up if you got some last night!

[lfantwister]

I got some this morning. Does that count?

[sexymuffin]

i didn't get any, i was too busy being amazing to even have time to think about women.

[coheneran]

i didn't get any, i was too busy being amazing to even have time to think about women.

WOMEN? Who me? Not me! Men me! Last night me!

I got some this morning. Does that count?

Technically, I got some in the morning too, about 5 or 6am, but I didn't sleep, so it doesn't seem like proper morning.

[Surgicalgod]

hey gice.

[SubtleDagger]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/08/adam-carolla-hangs-up-on-coulter/

This made my day

[coheneran]

Can't someone just show her up in a debate?

[SubtleDagger]

Debating with Ann Coulter is like taking Hellen Keller to a Broadway musical.

[coheneran]

Debating with Ann Coulter is like taking Hellen Keller to a Broadway musical.

I see. Can't someone shoot her up in front of a live audience?

[Iskandar]

I see. Can't someone shoot her up in front of a live audience?
I would pay to see that.

[masada]

Anne Coulter: Public Execution!!!

The new reality series, next on FOX.

[ratsinthecity403]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/08/adam-carolla-hangs-up-on-coulter/

This made my day

hahaha....that's great

[masada]

They left out a few lines in there, though.

[John Paul Harrison]

Anne Coulter: Public Execution!!!

The new reality series, next on FOX.

Would Rupert Murdoch allow?

[coheneran]

Depends how many people wanted to see it. Frankly, it wouldn't be as good as it could have been had Bill Hicks been hosting it.

[ringworm]

Typical, that's what happens when a dumb person tries to have a conversation with an intelligent person. He knew he couldn't compete with her, so he tried to one-up her by hanging up.
And I used to like Mr. Coralla…

[Spoonful of Shame]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/08/adam-carolla-hangs-up-on-coulter/

This made my day

hahaha. I love how Carolla starts to make fun of her book. Hahaha.

Typical, that's what happens when a dumb person tries to have a conversation with an intelligent person. He knew he couldn't compete with her, so he tried to one-up her by hanging up.
And I used to like Mr. Coralla…

Ann Coulter is intelligent? hahahaha

[ringworm]

I figured that would draw some fire, lol
I still like to listen to SOME of her remarks. I have to say I like her I guess.

[SubtleDagger]

Typical, that's what happens when a dumb person tries to have a conversation with an intelligent person. He knew he couldn't compete with her, so he tried to one-up her by hanging up.
And I used to like Mr. Coralla…
There wasn't much of a conversation really, she said she was short on time when she was an hour and a half late to do a frigging book plug and he hung up on her for copping an attitude. Because she's a royal bitch.

Intelligence is not telling the person you were supposed to talk to an hour and a half ago that you're short on time.

[ringworm]

Adam needs to stick to what is on his level anyway.
The Man Show is about as far up the intelligent ladder he can go IMO.
He sounded prepared to flame her anyway.

What if she really did have the wrong number supplied to her?

[coheneran]

Adam needs to stick to what is on his level anyway.
The Man Show is about as far up the intelligent ladder he can go IMO.
He sounded prepared to flame her anyway.

What if she really did have the wrong number supplied to her?

Maybe she missed it because she was staying in getting sexed up and freaky with the Prince of Saudi Arabia.

[ringworm]

lol, everyone has to get laid sometime, even Ann…

[griftadan]

bumped for complete noobs.

i'm moving up to kansas next saturday. woot.

[Reaganista]

that sucks

[griftadan]

nah dude, hopefully i'll stumble into siva sometime

[Reaganista]

he'll try to get you to meditate into jesusvana with him or something

[Shell]

bumped for complete noobs.

i'm moving up to kansas next saturday. woot.


Why would anyone move TO Kansas?

[misternich]

guys theres already a community thread

[griftadan]

Why would anyone move TO Kansas?

college + schollarship?

plus i hear natural light is AWESOME>

he'll try to get you to meditate into jesusvana with him or something

college is for experimenting in stupid **** anyways.

[Yield]

kollege in cansas. that's pretty cool.

[telewhore]

guys theres already a community thread
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[HazMatBlue]

I've been to kansas. Lots of corn

[Shell]

I've been to kansas. Lots of corn

Nah, that's Nebraska.
We got wheat.

[Reaganista]

kansas we got wheat
forget norway