PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Mr. Ron]

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http://www.iweaz.com/play.php?vid=121

[Iskandar]

I can't help but lol at your country.

[Mr. Ron]

At least we're helping southern afreeca!!!

[Iskandar]

At least we're helping southern afreeca!!!lol.

[Hababi]

My paper's editorial board put out an editorial embracing idiot Norman Finkelstein. Gah what tools.

[Iskandar]

Norman Finkelstein. Sounds familiar.

[Mr. Ron]

LMAO




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8T413w_HE0

[Iskandar]

LMAO




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8T413w_HE0

Communists must not have very good hearing.

[Hababi]

Norman Finkelstein. Sounds familiar.

He's a Holocaust revisionist who has made a career of attacking Holocaust survivors. He has a doctorate but has never published academically, and brags about not doing so. His books are poorly researched screeds that have no merit to them.

People apparently think that he should've been given tenure because he's controversial, as opposed to any real merit. Oh and the editorial says that the Holocaust should be "debated."

Well that made my blood boil.

[Waltz Profit]

well now u know how sciencey people feel when fundies talk about allowing creationism or ID in school

[lunchforthesky]

He's a Holocaust revisionist who has made a career of attacking Holocaust survivors. He has a doctorate but has never published academically, and brags about not doing so. His books are poorly researched screeds that have no merit to them.

People apparently think that he should've been given tenure because he's controversial, as opposed to any real merit. Oh and the editorial says that the Holocaust should be "debated."

Well that made my blood boil.

Quit lying Zero he isn't denying the holocaust he's claiming that Israel is using the legacy of the holocaust to do bad things to Lebanon, Palestianians etc..

[ringworm]

looks like ABC is testing a new marketing show aimed at younger viewers
it was actually a pretty good show this past tuesday

http://ugv.abcnews.go.com/

the Your Three Words vid was surprisingly good

[Dr Hooch]

Quit lying Zero he isn't denying the holocaust he's claiming that Israel is using the legacy of the holocaust to do bad things to Lebanon, Palestianians etc..

I'm not sure anyone could even argue with that

you can debate whether it's justified but there is literally no question that some israelis call upon past oppression to justify modern policy

[Mr. Ron]

My philosophy class is going to suck already, I know it. The professor was going over some basic philosophers and when he got to Nietzsche he basically says "yeah he basically said its ok for the powerful to hit other people over the head and take them over just because they were more powerful".


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[Reaganista]

he gives nietzsche too much credit

[Mr. Ron]

No, he simply misinterprets him.

[Hababi]

Quit lying Zero he isn't denying the holocaust


I didn't call him a Holocaust denier. I said Holocaust revisionist, and he is (see: attacks on Jews trying to get money stolen from them by Swiss banks during the Holocaust). And I presume that by not responding to the rest of my post, you're accepting my major premise.

[Reaganista]

No, he simply misinterprets him.

accurate interpretation:

GAHGRLGLRKGKJGKRHFHGHTHFKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Reaganista]

hey zero controversial academics are the only ones who even need tenure

[Dr Hooch]

I like this now because i just read up on it and tway is absolutely right

[Mr. Ron]

accurate interpretation:

GAHGRLGLRKGKJGKRHFHGHTHFKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!1

Thats not German at all!

[lunchforthesky]

I didn't call him a Holocaust denier. I said Holocaust revisionist, and he is (see: attacks on Jews trying to get money stolen from them by Swiss banks during the Holocaust). And I presume that by not responding to the rest of my post, you're accepting my major premise.

It seems a long standing convention of Academia that it takes an extremist to draw the masses to the attention of a valid and more moderate issue.

Finkelstein and Goldhagen being good examples of this.

[Hababi]

I like this now because i just read up on it and tway is absolutely right

No. Academics who actually are academics deserve tenure. Being an academic involves publishing scholarly research. Finkelstein doesn't.
It seems a long standing convention of Academia that it takes an extremist to draw the masses to the attention of a valid and more moderate issue.

Finkelstein and Goldhagen being good examples of this.

The difference between the two is that Goldhagen actually does continued research. Also, Finkelstein spends his time cavorting with Holocaust deniers and assorted other reprobates.

[lunchforthesky]

The difference between the two is that Goldhagen actually does continued research.

Goldhagen is a complete tool. He accuses the Germans of almost exactly what the Nazis accused the Jews of. Sadly the irony is completely lost on him. Who cares with all those millions of dollars right?

Also, Finkelstein spends his time cavorting with Holocaust deniers and assorted other reprobates.

This doesn't affect his argument at all, but yes he is a shady character and goes way too far.

[Hababi]

This doesn't affect his argument at all, but yes he is a shady character and goes way too far.

His arguments exist outside the world of academia. Giving him tenure would be like giving Ann Coulter tenure in a department of journalism, political science, or law. His career as a notable historical thinker is simply non existent.

[Mr. Ron]

Well, at least we agree that coulter is a whore.

[lunchforthesky]

His arguments exist outside the world of academia. Giving him tenure would be like giving Ann Coulter tenure in a department of journalism, political science, or law. His career as a notable historical thinker is simply non existent.

Surely anyone can write books it's just up to the public if they want to read them? I realise that promotes extreme viewpoints rather than balance or honesty but that's how the world works. Ironically I have given up my precious time to reading by Hitler's Willing Executioners and The Holocaust Industry.

[Hababi]

Surely anyone can write books it's just up to the public if they want to read them?

Yes, anyone can write books, but that doesn't mean that people should be getting tenure at universities.

[Dave de Sylvia]

His arguments exist outside the world of academia. Giving him tenure would be like giving Ann Coulter tenure in a department of journalism, political science, or law. His career as a notable historical thinker is simply non existent.
Goldhagen's book is historical trash. He's not even a historian.

Finkelstein has questionable views, but he effortlessly picked apart Goldhagen's entire thesis with straightforward facts, something his opponent has no regard for.

[Hababi]

Goldhagen's book is historical trash. He's not even a historian.

But I'm not even talking about Goldhagen...

[Dave de Sylvia]

You said Goldhagen does continued research. Which is false because he makes everything up.

[Hababi]

You said Goldhagen does continued research. Which is false because he makes everything up.

HWE was his doctoral thesis; he has submitted research for peer review since then. Finkelstein never has.

[Iskandar]

zero stop comparing everything to ann coulter

[Dave de Sylvia]

I don't know what he's submitted for peer review, but it doesn't change the fact that his peers regard him as a fraud. As far as I'm aware, Finkelstein's work has been reviewed, certainly informally if not formally, and there's no question he's a more reputable historian than Goldhagen.

[gregulus]

any hack can submit something to an academic journal. it's getting published that really matters.

[Hababi]

I don't know what he's submitted for peer review, but it doesn't change the fact that his peers regard him as a fraud. As far as I'm aware, Finkelstein's work has been reviewed, certainly informally if not formally,


His work has been reviewed, yes. Not in the traditional academic circle, no, because he doesn't submit it there, and brags about not doing so. But, some respectable figures got a hold of his book, anyway, and here's what they had to say:

The scholar whose work on the Holocaust was the "stimulus" for this volume, University of Chicago professor Peter Novick, warned that: "No facts alleged by Finkelstein should be assumed to be really facts, no quotation in his book should be assumed to be accurate, without taking the time to carefully compare his claims with the sources he cites. . . .[S]uch an examination reveals that many of those assertions are pure invention." Nor was he helped when New York Times reviewer Prof. Omer Bartov, an authority on genocide, characterized his book as "a novel variation on the anti-Semitic forgery, 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' . . . brimming with indifference to historical facts, inner contradictions, strident politics . . . [I]ndecent . . . juvenile, self-righteous, arrogant and stupid."

Prof. Bartov characterized his work as an irrational Jewish "conspiracy theory." The conspirators include Steven Spielberg, NBC and Leon Uris. The film "Schindler's List," Mr. Finkelstein argues, was designed to divert attention from our Mideast policy. "Give me a better reason! . . . Who profits? Basically, there are two beneficiaries from the dogmas [of Schindler's List]: American Jews and American administration." NBC, he says, broadcast "Holocaust" to strengthen Israel's position: "In 1978, NBC produced the series Holocaust. Do you believe, it was a coincidence, 1978? Just at this time, when peace negotiations between Israel and Egypt took place in Camp David?" He argues that Leon Uris, the author of "Exodus," named his character "Ari" in order to promote Israel's "Nazi" ideology: "[B]ecause Ari is the diminutive for Aryan. It is the whole admiration for this blond haired, blue eyed type." (Ari is a traditional name dating back to the Bible.) He has blamed Sept. 11 on the U.S., claiming that we "deserve the problem on our hands because some things Bin Laden says are true.") He says that most alleged Holocaust survivors -- including Elie Wiesel -- have fabricated their past.


and there's no question he's a more reputable historian than Goldhagen.

He's really not :\

[Iskandar]

Oy, enough with the Holocaust, already.

[lunchforthesky]

He has blamed Sept. 11 on the U.S., claiming that we "deserve the problem on our hands because some things Bin Laden says are true.") He says that most alleged Holocaust survivors -- including Elie Wiesel -- have fabricated their past.

He's really not :\

I agree with him to a limited extent, it would be very silly to assume the US had no part is why 9/11 happened and I think the "most" is a bit of a stretch. You cannot deny many have fabricated their accounts.

[PerpetualBurn]

This Jew fetish of yours is getting pretty old, Serenity.

[Dave de Sylvia]

He says that most alleged Holocaust survivors -- including Elie Wiesel -- have fabricated their past.
Not really.

I'm not denying that Finkelstein is nuts, but he has written proper, well-researched history, which Goldhagen has never quite managed.

[Hababi]

You cannot deny many have fabricated their accounts.

erm

[Reaganista]

Thats not German at all!
i translated it from german to english

[Reaganista]

goldhagen is a champ btw

[lunchforthesky]

erm

Are you honestly claiming that no one has totally invented their holocaust experiences?

[Hababi]

Are you honestly claiming that no one has totally invented their holocaust experiences?

no one? You said many, now it seems you'll be satisfied if so much as one has. Finkelstein has spent his career attacking all Holocaust survivors.

[lunchforthesky]

no one? You said many, now it seems you'll be satisfied if so much as one has. Finkelstein has spent his career attacking all Holocaust survivors.

I'd say many have, many as a number not as a percentage. Although I'm nothing like an expert in the field. All I've read is Anne Frank and The Holcaust Industry which is a tad one sided.

[Reaganista]

for every one non-israeli jew who lied about the holocaust 4.2 million germans lied about it

[lunchforthesky]

for every one non-israeli jew who lied about the holocaust 4.2 million germans lied about it

That's an exagerration but seriously the Germans lied about it pretty damn bad, not that it's suprising.

[Hababi]

I'd say many have, many as a number not as a percentage.

:lol: wtf is "many"? Why don't you try reading real history, academic writing, instead of Finkelstein's outrageous jokes of writings.

[lunchforthesky]

:lol: wtf is "many"?

In the hundreds maybe low thousands. But I imagine most get sussed out pretty early on.


Why don't you try reading real history, academic writing, instead of Finkelstein's outrageous jokes of writings.

First semester of Uni we had an essay question on "To what extent has the holocaust become an industry?" that is why I read Finkelstein. I assume you have read The Holocaust Industry.

I read Goldhagen out of general interest.

[Dr Hooch]

This Jew fetish of yours is getting pretty old, Serenity.

Pretty much.

It's gone from funny to hilarious to bemusing to disturbing.

[Hababi]

First semester of Uni we had an essay question on "To what extent has the holocaust become an industry?" that is why I read Finkelstein. I assume you have read The Holocaust Industry.


No, I don't read pathetic jokes. I have better ways to spend my time.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Are you sure?

[Reaganista]

No, I don't read pathetic jokes. I have better ways to spend my time.

like reading goldhagen

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

or arguing on the internet about books he hasn't read

[Hababi]

or arguing on the internet about books he hasn't read
I'm not arguing about the book; I already posted the reviews by respectable sources. I'm arguing about Finkelstein's complete lack of academic standing and his so clearly not deserving tenure.

[Reaganista]

yeah but he is

and so is goldhagen

because the kind of people who can piss off people who haven't even read their work badly enough to rant against them on the internet are the exact reason tenure was invented

[Hababi]

yeah but he is

and so is goldhagen

because the kind of people who can piss off people who haven't even read their work badly enough to rant against them on the internet are the exact reason tenure was invented

Hahahahahaha

Tenure for Ann Coulter!

[Reaganista]

um she's not a professor

[Hababi]

um she's not a professor

well she clearly should be.

[Reaganista]

i dont think she wants to

[gregulus]

i dont think she wants to

probably because real academics would call her on her bullshit.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I don't think Ann Coulter would be attract much attention from academics. They're not really concerned with things like how you can't have a rational conversation with a liberal and why you can't have a rational conversation with a gay and why you can't have a rational conversation with a terrorist and why you can't have a rational conversation with a bill clinton.

They're more concerned with important things like class war and the class struggle and why you can't have a rational conversation with a bourgeois.

[Hababi]

I don't think Ann Coulter would be attract much attention from academics. They're not really concerned with things like how you can't have a rational conversation with a liberal and why you can't have a rational conversation with a gay and why you can't have a rational conversation with a terrorist and why you can't have a rational conversation with a bill clinton.

They're more concerned with important things like class war and the class struggle and why you can't have a rational conversation with a bourgeois.

Or if you're Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Ward Churchill (phony), or Finkelstein, how Jews are to blame for the Holocaust, Jews profited off the Holocaust and lied about it, and dem Joos are responsible for everything bad in the world.

[PerpetualBurn]

Seriously.

Find a Jewish prostitute.

And get this all out of your system.

[BridgeToSolace]

I'm pretty sure a jewish prostitute would be the most frustrating thing ever.

[Dave de Sylvia]

hahahaha

[Dr Hooch]

Or if you're Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Ward Churchill (phony), or Finkelstein, how Jews are to blame for the Holocaust, Jews profited off the Holocaust and lied about it, and dem Joos are responsible for everything bad in the world.

for fu'cks sake there's a difference between "jews are the antichist" and "Israelis do bad things and get away with it" i mean seriously

[dei]

Don't bother with him.

[Iskandar]

I've learned to accept that Steve is wrong about a great many things, and I can't change him.

[Dr Hooch]

I know but when people fulfil stereotypes without a trace of irony i feel a little nautious

[Iskandar]

I know but when people fulfil stereotypes without a trace of irony i feel a little nautiousHey, we've all been there.

[dei]

I know but when people fulfil stereotypes without a trace of irony i feel a little nautious

I don't mean to be a prick, but it's spelled "nauseous."

[Iskandar]

If we all stopped being so uptight about correct spelling, spelling would be a lot simpler.

[Dave de Sylvia]

baibe evryting is alrite uptyt

[Dr Hooch]

I don't mean to be a prick, but it's spelled "nauseous."

haha, so it is

I guess when i don't know how to spell a word i subconciously go into "spell it like words it rhymes with"

[Iskandar]

baibe evryting is alrite uptytI hate you so much.

[Reaganista]

probably because real academics would call her on her bullshit.
well they do that
and she doesn't care and they don't matter

[lunchforthesky]

No, I don't read pathetic jokes. I have better ways to spend my time.

Always good for a laugh aren't you Steven?

Wouldn't it make just a little bit of sense to see what the other side has to say? I guess being informed maybe isn't your thing. Else why would you love Israel so much?

[Hababi]

Wouldn't it make just a little bit of sense to see what the other side has to say? I guess being informed maybe isn't your thing. Else why would you love Israel so much?

No, not when the other side has been reviewed, dismantled and dismissed by legitimate sources.

[lunchforthesky]

No, not when the other side has been reviewed, dismantled and dismissed by legitimate sources.

No that's not good enough. No one would take me seriously if I were bad mouthing The Bible without having read it.

[PerpetualBurn]

I would.

[Dr Hooch]

even if everything the zionists said was true and the palestinians were in fact baby munching heathen inbreds like he makes out i'd still feel queazy supporting israel like steve does

[PerpetualBurn]

Jew fetish. It's getting a big problem for him, I can tell.

[Hababi]

No that's not good enough. No one would take me seriously if I were bad mouthing The Bible without having read it.

But no one will not take you seriously if you talk about Ted Kacinsky without having read his manifesto.

[lunchforthesky]

But no one will not take you seriously if you talk about Ted Kacinsky without having read his manifesto.

What a redundant comparison.

[Hababi]

What a redundant comparison.

Actually it's pretty much dead on. Except that Kacinsky, along with being a skitzophrenic, was actually much more intelligent and accomplished than Finkelstein.

[lunchforthesky]

Actually it's pretty much dead on. Except that Kacinsky, along with being a skitzophrenic, was actually much more intelligent and accomplished than Finkelstein.

Don't go stretching the truth to your own ends. If someone came on here saying Kacynsky had it all right you'd be brandishing him and Kacynsky a total idiot faster than anyone.

[Hababi]

Don't go stretching the truth to your own ends. If someone came on here saying Kacynsky had it all right you'd be brandishing him and Kacynsky a total idiot faster than anyone.

Absolutely. And that's why I do the same with Finkelstein (who doubtlessly has undiagnosed mental problems):p

[lunchforthesky]

sigh

[Iskandar]

This forum became a lot less interested after I realized that everyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

[lunchforthesky]

This forum became a lot less interested after I realized that everyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

You mean there was a time when you didn't think you were right about everything? I know I sure do.

[Hababi]

Everyone always thinks they're right about everything; if you think you have the wrong opinion about something but persist in holding that thought, then what does that say about you?

[lunchforthesky]

Everyone always thinks they're right about everything; if you think you have the wrong opinion about something but persist in holding that thought, then what does that say about you?

It says you are probably a Christian.


booooo yeah.

[Mr. Ron]

Does anyone else think that republicanism is largely made up of uninformed people?

[Hababi]

Does anyone else think that republicanism is largely made up of uninformed people?

Not as much as Democratism.

Well, maybe as much.

1/3 of Democrats think George Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. That's pretty stupid and misinformed.

[PerpetualBurn]

Don't you still deny evolution?

[Hababi]

Don't you still deny evolution?

no.

[lunchforthesky]

Not as much as Democratism.

Well, maybe as much.

1/3 of Democrats think George Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. That's pretty stupid and misinformed.

I'm sure the last time you sourced that I remember thinking how you'd exagerrated things so would you kindly do so again. Plus don't over half of republicans think Sadamn and Osama were in cahoots?

[lunchforthesky]

no.

Did you ever? I;m sure you haven't while i've been posting.

[Mr. Ron]

Don't you still deny evolution?

He believes in "theistic evolution".

[lunchforthesky]

He believes in "theistic evolution".

I don't like it but you've got to let some things slide. Ideally there'd be no theist element but if everyone could come over to at least accepting facts that would be real progress.

[Hababi]

I'm sure the last time you sourced that I remember thinking how you'd exagerrated things so would you kindly do so again.
p

No.

Plus don't over half of republicans think Sadamn and Osama were in cahoots?
Not as bad.
Did you ever? I;m sure you haven't while i've been posting.

Maybe when you first joined.

[Mr. Ron]

True.

[lunchforthesky]

Not as bad.

I'd say they are equally ridiculous. The Republican one is more obviously wrong, but the Dems is way out there and stupid yet not as proven wrong.

[Mr. Ron]

Both sides have their retards, but it just seems to me that conservatives/republicans are just ill informed.

[lunchforthesky]

Michael Moore >>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter.

[Hababi]

I'd say they are equally ridiculous.


Not really, especially considering there were early, very loose contacts between jihadist groups and Saddam's regime. Compare that with believing that the president of the United States had planes flown into buildings and then blew them up from within, killing thousands of people. There's simply no comparison; one shows a lack of proper exploration and general ignorance, the other shows genuine stupidity and conspiracy-nuttiness.

[Hababi]

Both sides have their retards, but it just seems to me that conservatives/republicans are just ill informed.

Honestly, many democrats are just as ill informed. Democrats cater to people who don't understand a thing about economics, which leads to silly protectionist policies that just backfire. Democrats spout just as much blind rhetoric and ill informed postulations as republicans.

[Mr. Ron]

Michael Moore >>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter.
As much as I cringe at both of them I have to agree.

[Mr. Ron]

Honestly, many democrats are just as ill informed. Democrats cater to people who don't understand a thing about economics, which leads to silly protectionist policies that just backfire. Democrats spout just as much blind rhetoric and ill informed postulations as republicans.

I guess what I'm saying is, is that a lot of them are so resistant to change. That annoys me.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Honestly, many democrats are just as ill informed. Democrats cater to people who don't understand a thing about economics, which leads to silly protectionist policies that just backfire. Democrats spout just as much blind rhetoric and ill informed postulations as republicans.
I wouldn't say Republicans know any more about economics.

[Hababi]

I guess what I'm saying is, is that a lot of them are so resistant to change. That annoys me.

That presumes change to be always a good thing.

[lunchforthesky]

Not really, especially considering there were early, very loose contacts between jihadist groups and Saddam's regime. Compare that with believing that the president of the United States had planes flown into buildings and then blew them up from within, killing thousands of people. There's simply no comparison; one shows a lack of proper exploration and general ignorance, the other shows genuine stupidity and conspiracy-nuttiness.

Didn't they just state that they thought George Bush knew something about an attack in advance not that he actually did it?

[lunchforthesky]

That presumes change to be always a good thing.

It usually is.

[Hababi]

Didn't they just state that they thought George Bush knew something about an attack in advance not that he actually did it?

You're correct--35% said Bush knew about 9/11 in advance...which is really just as bad.

It usually is.

Sometimes it's overall a good thing. Change is never absolutely good.

[Smokey D]

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Honestly, many democrats are just as ill informed. Democrats cater to people who don't understand a thing about economics, which leads to silly protectionist policies that just backfire. Democrats spout just as much blind rhetoric and ill informed postulations as republicans.

Pat Buchanan and co. are Republicans.

[Mr. Ron]

That presumes change to be always a good thing.

No, I didn't say that. The opposition to gay marriage is an example of what I'm talking about.

[lunchforthesky]

You're correct--35% said Bush knew about 9/11 in advance...which is really just as bad.


That's vague. Intelligence has suggested they were aware an attack may have been coming so I myself wouldn't know how to respond to the question. He certainly knew there was a higher risk than usual but I don't think he had anything to do with it nor could he even have really stopped it.

[Iskandar]

no.I found some posts of yours which discussed, in earnest, the logistics behind Noah's Ark.

I lolled.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah, there's no possible way anyone could defend the ark.

[dei]

Mr. Ron, do you believe in God?

[Mr. Ron]

nah son

[dei]

Oh.

[Mr. Ron]

why

[Hababi]

That's vague.

no.

[Mr. Ron]

yes

[Hababi]

yes

No, it's really not.

[dei]

why

Oh, nothing. Just curious, that's all.

[Mr. Ron]

No, it's really not.
ja.

[Dr Hooch]

Absolutely. And that's why I do the same with Finkelstein (who doubtlessly has undiagnosed mental problems):p

says you israelophile

This forum became a lot less interested after I realized that everyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

replace forum with internet

Michael Moore >>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter.

I don't like michael moore but seriously, there's a whole political party with views as liberal to his and they have like 18% on the polls.


Not as bad.

WTC7; blatantly demolished?

45 minutes to scramble planes?

If the us govt would be more open about these things there wouldn't be any conspiracy theories

let's be honest

they fu'cked up and could've stopped it

[PerpetualBurn]

I think the government would rather a few looneys had their theories rather than admit to having ****ed up.

[Knifeboy]

replace forum with internet


Yeah, I like that other internet much better

[Iskandar]

I don't like michael moore but seriously, there's a whole political party with views as liberal to his and they have like 18% on the polls.I don't understand this. Which party?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Liberal Democrats.

Yeah, I like that other internet much better
There are other ones. But they were invented by Americans and they suck so you know.

[dei]

I took one of them political compass-type things once and it said I'm a radical liberal.

[Iskandar]

I took one of them political compass-type things once and it said I'm a radical liberal.Good.

[Mr. Ron]

I am sooooo liberal brooooo

[Iskandar]

I am sooooo liberal broooooGood.

[lfantwister]

whats up guys i cant leave here for long

[Der Übermensch]

Yay! I knew you'd return!

[lfantwister]

yeah ive sort of resigned to being here forever and ever and ever

and you should all know that i turn 18 tomorrow

[Der Übermensch]

I know
*shifty eyes*

[Iskandar]

I'm close to leaving.

[Mr. Ron]

mx?

[Iskandar]

mx?Possibly.

[Mr. Ron]

why

[Iskandar]

whyIt's dull, I don't have much to say.

[Mr. Ron]

I thought the same thing, and took a break and came back. Don't go han. :^(

[Iskandar]

I thought the same thing, and took a break and came back. Don't go han. :^(But the only forum I really like is Politics, and I have no interest in it anymore.

[spitfirejunky]

:upset:

[spitfirejunky]

Maybe some rep will cheer you up.

[pedro durruti]

ow MY FINGERS

[Dr Hooch]

Turning 18 is not that exciting

I've only been IDed once in like my entire life and that was trying to buy rum in a supermarket

ohwait yeah i forgot your country's laws about what age you can do stuff at is too high for everything except driving which is ok because driving in america is just like realising there's a 90% turn ahead and driving a car so big it wouldn't really matter if you tried to slow down anyway

[PerpetualBurn]

I never did a lot for my 18th.

I'd already been a regular in my local for like a year anyway.

[GreyHam]

21st is still where its at...

[PerpetualBurn]

I'll give you my opinion on that when I get there next April.

In other news I saw Regina Spektor in Liverpool on Tuesday.

It was the best thing ever.

[GreyHam]

SB6 are playing Hull in 2 weeks...huzzah!

how was spektor? never really got into her

[PerpetualBurn]

Absolutely incredible.

Started the set with an a capella song called Ain't No Cover and pretty much blew me away. And I had very high expectations.

[ringworm]

Honestly, many democrats are just as ill informed. Democrats cater to people who don't understand a thing about economics, which leads to silly protectionist policies that just backfire. Democrats spout just as much blind rhetoric and ill informed postulations as republicans.
yes
I guess what I'm saying is, is that a lot of them are so resistant to change. That annoys me.
I see stubborn people on one side, and people with fingers in their ear on the other. * see last election

At least most republicans have a base, and follow it, Dems, on the other hand, just seem to wander to whatever particular group favours them at that current time

No, I didn't say that. The opposition to gay marriage is an example of what I'm talking about.
i get so tired of that being brought up, its about as old as a NHC
on one hand, if you oppose it, you must be like this
if you support it, you must be like this
every key issue nowadays groups those in the middle on one side or another, which only further splits us apart

i think these issues will keep us divided for years, and as long as we stay divided, shouting rhetoric back and forth, we will stay in the same shape we are now :(


But the only forum I really like is Politics, and I have no interest in it anymore.
the forum, or politics in general?

i always hear how misinformed most americans are in the political spectrum, but can you really blame a vast amount of people for living out their entire lives happy and unaffected by the bullshit that goes on in Washington? :) really?

someone who can go through life and never have to hear about how fouled up our system has become and never feel the frustration associated with politics is a smart person, imo, not an idiot :p

[Iskandar]

I'll give you my opinion on that when I get there next April.

In other news I saw Regina Spektor in Liverpool on Tuesday.

It was the best thing ever.You bastard. I would have brought a ring along, just in case.
the forum, or politics in general?

i always hear how misinformed most americans are in the political spectrum, but can you really blame a vast amount of people for living out their entire lives happy and unaffected by the bullshit that goes on in Washington? really?

someone who can go through life and never have to hear about how fouled up our system has become and never feel the frustration associated with politics is a smart person, imo, not an idiot I can't stand people who know nothing about politics and refuse to take an interest it in. : /

Then there's the irony that I'm a Canadian and I know more about American politics than many Americans.

[ringworm]

I can't stand people who know nothing about politics and refuse to take an interest it in. : /
but you have to admit, politics are hardly pleasurable, except maybe to the politicians
Then there's the irony that I'm a Canadian and I know more about American politics than many Americans.
so your blood pressure is twice as high as it should be :p

[Iskandar]

but you have to admit, politics are hardly pleasurable, except maybe to the politiciansYeah, it just makes my blood boil. Which brings me to this:

so your blood pressure is twice as high as it should be :p:(

[lunchforthesky]

I find politics enjoyable

[PerpetualBurn]

You bastard. I would have brought a ring along, just in case.

Seriously, if she tours anywhere near you, go and see her. There's few performances I can think I've seen that are better than she was.

My next scheduled gig is currently 65 Days Of Static. Should be awesome. But not Regina standard.

Then there's the irony that I'm a Canadian and I know more about American politics than many Americans.

That's not ironic. Irony would imply that I wouldn't expect that to be the case.

[lunchforthesky]

65DOS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regina Spektor.

[PerpetualBurn]

You're an idiot.

[ringworm]

what instruments do most of you regulars play? if any?

we all know Amit's highly advanced skills :(, but I dont think I've ever noticed what the rest of you play

me, drummer :)

[PerpetualBurn]

Guitar.

[Dr Hooch]

I play guitar.

[The_Passenger]

I play guitar too.

It's odd, I came on here to discuss guitar-playing and other music related subjects and I ended up posting in here the most.

[PerpetualBurn]

I stopped posting in the guitar forum a while back. I grew tired of it.

[ringworm]

It's odd, I came on here to discuss guitar-playing and other music related subjects and I ended up posting in here the most.
same here, cept drumming

i go there occcasionally & look at kits and gear, compliment audio posts etc, but i hang around here & GD mostly, they occupy the work day better :)

[Iskandar]

Play drums but hate it.

[ringworm]

lol, so why do you play them, you dog hater :)

[italic zero]

I play guitar and drums and sing. I first came here through S&L then moved to the Pit for about 3 months (during which time PNWI was created) then stayed here for the past few years.

[Iskandar]

lol, so why do you play them, you dog hater :)Because I'm in a band with my friends. : /

[lunchforthesky]

Spinning the anarcho crust amirite?

[ringworm]

Because I'm in a band with my friends. : /

you dont like your friends either?

[Reaganista]

i stopped playing drums when i realized music was gay

[Dr Hooch]

I stopped posting in the guitar forum a while back. I grew tired of it.

Me too. I was once quite the "guitar forum vet"

I know far more useful stuff now than i did then yet am disinclined to share it and argue with guys who'll tell you that they use 10m fender leads in between their effects pedals because patch leads are crap, and stuff like that...

[PerpetualBurn]

I stopped when I realised that the vast vast majority of people in the guitar forum were incapable of musical discussion.

[ringworm]

i stopped playing drums when i realized music was gay

LOL:p

[Knifeboy]

The guitar forum really is horrible.. like every other forum, it runs in circles, the same topics will come up again and again.. But unlike the other forums, instead of the topics reappearing every couple of months, the topics reappear every 5 days

[lfantwister]

my roommate is listening to hawaiian music and i want to shoot her in the face

[italic zero]

do it

and post pictures

[lfantwister]

you guys and your pictures

[Der Übermensch]

Hey, at least we weren't asking for pics of your boobs :-p

[PerpetualBurn]

my roommate is listening to hawaiian music and i want to shoot her in the face

Hit her with a pineapple.

It's the only thing they respond to.

[Iskandar]

Spinning the anarcho crust amirite?Whoa, what?
you dont like your friends either?'Course I do. That's why I'm in a band with them.

[Dr Hooch]

It makes me weep, deep down inside

Where did all the Jews go?


Why did Jewish families loose contact with their relatives on the continent during the late 30's/war years?


Why have former concentration camp guards admitted to it and have subsequently been convicted of it?


How do you explain the accounts of soldiers who discovered the camps in Europe?


How do you explain the accounts of survivors?


Where did all the pictures come from?


1}The jews were shipped to Palestine and were allowed to oppress the muslims and christians who originally lived there.

2} why did they lose contact?! humans are forgetful creatures. the numbers of people who were transported-NOT KILLED by the nazi's were high, people get separated and lost from each other. perhaps they just felt too comfortable and were too busy murdering muslims and christians themselves

3} concentration camp guards you say ducky?! there are a few who say that they witnessed the holocaust. im sure many other people would do so for fame/infamy and also, the low number of them shows that very few people were in fact killed.

4}acconts of soliders? they saw only structures of supposed camps. buildings with apparent malicious intent even, show and prove nothing

5+6} again, fame, glory, reputation, media, an excuse to raid palestine and butcher its inhabitants?! the real holocaust=PALESTINE

[Mr. Ron]

Ahhahahahahhahahahha

[Iskandar]

About 200 of my posts just got deleted and I want to know why.

[PerpetualBurn]

He makes a good point.

Perhaps the photos of mass graves are faked in ways he failed to explain.

[Mr. Ron]

You can't handle the truth.

[Mr. Ron]

He makes a good point.

Perhaps the photos of mass graves are faked in ways he failed to explain.

Yeah, they were probably just hundreds of people from near by villages that volunteered to look amaciated and stark naked in a large trench. They probably took a milk and cookie break afterwards as well.

[ringworm]

Play drums but hate it.
why?
Because I'm in a band with my friends. : /
so you dont like your friends?
'Course I do. That's why I'm in a band with them.
lol, im confused :p

[Iskandar]

why?

so you dont like your friends?

lol, im confused :pI dislike playing drums but I do anyway because I'm in a band with my friends, whom I like!

[lunchforthesky]

Haha holocaust deniers. Is there a dumber conspiracy theory going?

[Iskandar]

Difficult to say. Maybe some religious nuts.

[lunchforthesky]

Actually people who predict the end of the world are dumber.

[Iskandar]

Yeah, that's the sort of thing I'm thinking of.

[lunchforthesky]

What happened to 6/6/06 anyway.

So many christians bought into that Bible prophecies ****.

[Iskandar]

Nothing happened on /06/06/06, as I had expected.

[PerpetualBurn]

I didn't really get 6/6/06 since it wasn't the number 666 anyway. It was, at the very best, 6606.

[lunchforthesky]

Plus our calender has been put forward anyway.

[dei]

I'm working on a new calendar.

[Dr Hooch]

I didn't really get 6/6/06 since it wasn't the number 666 anyway. It was, at the very best, 6606.

Plus surely it'd have to be the hebrew caldenar that read 666 anyway?

[Iskandar]

Oh, they're far too dumb to care about that.

[lunchforthesky]

Plus surely it'd have to be the hebrew caldenar that read 666 anyway?

Quit it with your logic and reason. These people believe that the Devil has a number for science's sake.

[Iskandar]

Worse, they believe that Satan actually exists.

[lunchforthesky]

Why would someone of the devils obvious power need a pitchfork with which to jab people?

[Iskandar]

Well, that really has nothing to do with the Biblical Satan at all.

[PerpetualBurn]

The Biblical Satan's far less cool.

[italic zero]

which one

[Unreal]

religion is for the weak

[PerpetualBurn]

But soup is for the day.

[Unreal]

damn

I edited that

[Hababi]

neg rep is for the stupid.

[Unreal]

ok,












Im not stupid am i ?

[PerpetualBurn]

neg rep is for the stupid.

This is funny because you've neg repped me on several occasions.

[Hababi]

This is funny because you've neg repped me on several occasions.

I don't call that funny, I call that consistent :evil:

[pedro durruti]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XSXM3Zg0eBo

One of the greatest Disney songs and film

[Mr. Ron]

Actually people who predict the end of the world are dumber.

The 2012 thing is way over the top. So many people buy into it.

[Dr Hooch]

where's that date from?

[Mr. Ron]

the Mayan calendar. People think the world is going to end in 2012 because their calendar stops at 2012.

[PerpetualBurn]

I don't call that funny, I call that consistent :evil:

You're telling me that you're consistently stupid.

I knew this.

[Hababi]

You're telling me that you're consistently stupid.

I knew this.

No what I mean is that I neg stupid people.

Neg rep, that is the receiving of neg rep from me, and the possessing of a negative rep rating, is for the stupid.

[Dr Hooch]

the Mayan calendar. People think the world is going to end in 2012 because their calendar stops at 2012.

"dude, this is another 2 days of differential equations. Do you seriously think there will still be mayans in 2012?"

"fu'ck, i don't know. Let them make the new bit themselves. It'll be easier for them, someone will've invented the abacus."

[PerpetualBurn]

No what I mean is that I neg stupid people.

Neg rep, that is the receiving of neg rep from me, and the possessing of a negative rep rating, is for the stupid.

So you are stupid then.

[Reaganista]

i dont think zero ever negged me
no matter how hard i try

[Iskandar]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XSXM3Zg0eBo

One of the greatest Disney songs and filmI can dig Robin Hood.

[PerpetualBurn]

i dont think zero ever negged me
no matter how hard i try

He's neg repped me for calling arguments for the existence of God stupid, and for saying something on the lines of "As if Zero does anything other than beg for the bullying to stop.".

[pedro durruti]

I can dig Robin Hood.
You'd be a reactionary if you didn't. A bloody ****ing reactionary! Man, I love old Disney movies.

[PerpetualBurn]

Robin Hood was a terrorist.

[dei]

Robin Hood was a freedom fighter.

[PerpetualBurn]

He was from Sheffield and therefore a hero.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

He was an Englishman and therefore, a closet homosexual.

[Unreal]

stu I'm no closet fag

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Well Robin Hood wasn't openly homosexual, thus, as a Pom, there's only one other option.

Mind you if the birds here looked like yours, I'd be a poof too.

[lunchforthesky]

I thought he didn't exist?

[RIP Ian Curtis]

So whats the difference between the Live Earth concert and Live Aid back in the 80's?

[Dr Hooch]

So whats the difference between the Live Earth concert and Live Aid back in the 80's?

One achieved nothing and was nothing more than an overwhelming pop artist buffet of hypocrisy, and the other one was

ohwai-

[PerpetualBurn]

I thought he didn't exist?

It's thought that he existed, though the stories are predictably massively inflated. And he was from Sheffield.

[lunchforthesky]

It's thought that he existed, though the stories are predictably massively inflated. And he was from Sheffield.

Isn't this one of those things where everywhere from Leicester to York thinks he lived in their town?

[PerpetualBurn]

No. Sherwood forest used to span from Nottingham to Sheffield. And the castle found which is believed to be Robin Hood's lies in Sheffield.

[Dr Hooch]

I gather the leader of a certain gang of theives was known as robin hood and hence he lived for about 300 years

[totah]

Robin Hood is awesome cool. So is Störtebeker. Pirates are generally ****ing cool.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

One achieved nothing and was nothing more than an overwhelming pop artist buffet of hypocrisy, and the other one was

ohwai-

Close.

I find the biggest difference is that poverty exists.

[Iskandar]

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