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[Der Übermensch]

hi :(

[ghostfacekillah]

hi :(

THE UBERUBERMENSCH!!!

(that's me, btw...suckah)

[pearlsjam482]

I need some new books. Has anyone read Henrik Ibsen's An Enemy of the People? If you've read some of his other stuff, it'd be awesome if I got recommendations. I've been told A Doll's House is good.

Edit: :lol: Who are you?

[ghostfacekillah]

I need some new books. Has anyone read Henrik Ibsen's An Enemy of the People? If you've read some of his other stuff, it'd be awesome if I got recommendations. I've been told A Doll's House is good.

Edit: :lol: Who are you?

Das Kapital. Most intriguing book ever written. Not a dull moment in it.

Edit: I'm the uberubermensch (duh)

You know, batman (me) to robin (hunter). Rocky (me) to Bullwinkle (hunter). Get the picture?

[italic zero]

I need some new books. Has anyone read Henrik Ibsen's An Enemy of the People? If you've read some of his other stuff, it'd be awesome if I got recommendations. I've been told A Doll's House is good.

Edit: :lol: Who are you?
I've only read Hedda Gabler, but it was quite good.

[pearlsjam482]

Das Kapital. Most intriguing book ever written. Not a dull moment in it.

Edit: I'm the uberubermensch (duh)

You know, batman (me) to robin (hunter). Rocky (me) to Bullwinkle (hunter). Get the picture?

Ok I got it.

I heard that it was actually extremely boring due to it's extraordinary length.

edit: So if he's the superman, that makes you the super-duper man?

[Der Übermensch]

No you are merely the Ape to my Man. Man to ... well... me!!! Don't deceive yourself!!!

[pearlsjam482]

Who's deceiving who?

[ghostfacekillah]

Who's deceiving who?

I like the way you think. Keep it up.

Yeah, Das Kapital blows. Marx is one of the most boring authors I've read.

To Der: You're just jealous.

We're about to be arch nemsises (maybe nemisi? I dunno the plural of nemisis :mad:) if you keep this crap up.

:wave:

[Der Übermensch]

What to you mean "arch nemsises"!? You are my sidekick, and don't you forget it!!

[pearlsjam482]

I like the way you think. Keep it up.

Yeah, Das Kapital blows. Marx is one of the most boring authors I've read.

To Der: You're just jealous.

We're about to be arch nemsises (maybe nemisi? I dunno the plural of nemisis :mad:) if you keep this crap up.

:wave:

The Manifesto is good, but only because it's short and Engles was helping out. It packs a punch though.

[ghostfacekillah]

hey yield, we got dominated.

how the **** do you have 41 posts?

[pearlsjam482]

Yeah seriously. Are you Ando! or Zmev or someone?

[ghostfacekillah]

gregulus.

[pearlsjam482]

Oh yeah. I get my account back on Sunday. You?

how the **** do you have 41 posts?

I made this account earlier (as a joke) and I decided it would be useful if I had it and got banned.

Came in handy

[ghostfacekillah]

Oh yeah. I get my account back on Sunday. You?
Yeah same. Haha, go back and look at the tread. Every name is banned.

[pearlsjam482]

:lol: I know, I saw. I got my friend matt to make us a tribute thread, and I didn't think he would do it.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524118

[ghostfacekillah]

I can't see the pit. I guess I'm not wise enough to partake in such intellectual discussion...

[pearlsjam482]

Yeah, I think once the time limit passes, you can see it, but you can't post.

I have fifty posts, so I think I'm cool.

Edit: Apparently not. Damn this is gonna take a while.

[Mr. Ron]

I've been debating creationists on a separate forum for a week now and it makes my head hurt on how stupid they are. :(

[Dr Hooch]

I've been debating creationists on a separate forum for a week now and it makes my head hurt on how stupid they are. :(

Same here.

Got some superpwns when I used relativity to explain why there is no philosophically or scineitfically sound way to question the fact that the universe is ~13Bn years old

[Mr. Ron]

Same here.

Got some superpwns when I used relativity to explain why there is no philosophically or scineitfically sound way to question the fact that the universe is ~13Bn years old

Post it so I can steal it. :D

[Dinosawesome]

Post it so I can steal it. :D
also check ur repz

[Mr. Ron]

I must spread some before repping you. :(

[Dr Hooch]

Post it so I can steal it. :D

The world is millions of years old (the universe, billions) and all the matter in the universe was, once upon a time, all in the same place. Either these facts are true or god faked them; but if god is omnipotent his 'faking' would in fact make them true (if he's omnipotent so can change the past)

Since time is relative, there is no philosophical sound argument with the conclusion that the universe is not ~13Bn years old.

[Charlie Daniels]

Yes good job at conclusively proving that. I'll be sure to take that to my church on Sunday so I can let all of the congregation know that all these years we've been wasting our time.

[GreyHam]

might be an idea...

[Charlie Daniels]

i was being sarcastic

[ashman]

The world is millions of years old (the universe, billions) and all the matter in the universe was, once upon a time, all in the same place. Either these facts are true or god faked them; but if god is omnipotent his 'faking' would in fact make them true (if he's omnipotent so can change the past)

Since time is relative, there is no philosophical sound argument with the conclusion that the universe is not ~13Bn years old.

If they had brains, they could argue against that. It's possible to argue against the Big Bang Theory Qualitively.

[Dr Hooch]

If they had brains, they could argue against that. It's possible to argue against the Big Bang Theory Qualitively.

Expand...

(man wants to be ready for it)

but they don' have brains anyway :P

We're currently crushing their idea that miracles are proof of god (seriously some people think that all they have to do is state "A woman gave birth without a uterus" for it to be used in a debate and don't get it when I ask for a source, even after explaining that however much of a miracle it was the woman still had a doctor and that the medical profession would've been told)

[ashman]

Expand...

(man wants to be ready for it)

but they don' have brains anyway :P


Not that the Big Bang ever disproved a place for a type of Omnipotent being who created the universe. But you mentioned Relativity, if they knew what relativity was about, they could say "Well the universe in our Frame of Reference is 13bn years old, but in Gods frame of reference it could be whatever years old". Not the best argument, but I know what these fanatics are like :p

As for the argument against the Big Bang:

We can only observe the outer reaches of the Universe from two directions. Let's just say for arguments sake, that our orbit is 'aligned' with the galactic orbit of the Sun. We can only obeserve things outside our universe in the direction of our Poles, because the milky way blocks any other ways to view it. Again, flawed argument, could respond with Microwave raidiation from the Big Bang, but they could say it's something else.

Gravity causing Red shift on light, rather then an object moving. The ideal come back would be, the light is Blue Shifted by a proportional, if not equal amount by our own planets Gravity. I never could get my head around that one, but I'm just defering judgement to someone who has a little more qualifications in cosmology.

Steady State theory, I remember reading something that there is some new evidence supporting this, but it goes against the first two laws of thermodynamics. But I can't see this being brought up, unless you get some crazy fool.

These are all pretty bad arguments, but some guys can argue until they're blue in the face and make a general consensus that they're right and you're wrong no matter what you say. Strangely happens on this forums sometime.


We're currently crushing their idea that miracles are proof of god (seriously some people think that all they have to do is state "A woman gave birth without a uterus" for it to be used in a debate and don't get it when I ask for a source, even after explaining that however much of a miracle it was the woman still had a doctor and that the medical profession would've been told)

Haha, was probably adopted :smoke:

[PerpetualBurn]

The world is millions of years old (the universe, billions) and all the matter in the universe was, once upon a time, all in the same place. Either these facts are true or god faked them; but if god is omnipotent his 'faking' would in fact make them true (if he's omnipotent so can change the past)

They could dispute that everything was at one point. Everything was where God put it. And so it would appear to scientists that it's billions of years old, when really it's only been there for 10,000 years.

[Der Übermensch]

Greg, get online.

[Iscariot]

so i've been watching the democratic debate and mike gravel is an overzealous jackass

[griftadan]

Expand...

(man wants to be ready for it)

but they don' have brains anyway :P

We're currently crushing their idea that miracles are proof of god (seriously some people think that all they have to do is state "A woman gave birth without a uterus" for it to be used in a debate and don't get it when I ask for a source, even after explaining that however much of a miracle it was the woman still had a doctor and that the medical profession would've been told)

is your name from scrubs?

[Dr Hooch]

is your name from scrubs?

No, it really isn't... you have 2 guesses left

[griftadan]

that's all i have. you should tell people it is though, i can assure THAT hooch is much cooler than the hooch you have

[italic zero]

is it a do make say think song

[Dr Hooch]

is it a do make say think song

Give the man a coconut

[Dr Hooch]

ugh

on another forum some guy says government studies have shown gay parents are incapable of loving a child

what is that

what the hell is that


also used:

on "it's not fair to refuse them the right to marry to save themselves until marriage"

"DENIED THIER FAITH. what freakin FAITH. THE BIG 6 FAITHS BAN GAYS"

[gregulus]

ugh

on another forum some guy says government studies have shown gay parents are incapable of loving a child

what is that

what the hell is that


also used:

on "it's not fair to refuse them the right to marry to save themselves until marriage"

"DENIED THIER FAITH. what freakin FAITH. THE BIG 6 FAITHS BAN GAYS"
calm down dude, people are idiots. did he post a link to the studies?

[Dr Hooch]

calm down dude, people are idiots. did he post a link to the studies?

caps are his not mine

no of course not :p

[Iskandar]

THE BIG 6 FAITHS BAN GAYSBan homosexual acts, more like ... and at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do.

[croniun]

Is it true that mortality rates with women are much higher in abortion then child birth?

[PerpetualBurn]

Well there's no single method of abortion, and each carries a different risk. So whatever stats you find would be contentious.

I don't really care. It would never be relevant to any discussion.

[Der Übermensch]

Like PB said, it varies....
I would imagine late stage abortion carries more risk than earlier ones though?

[lfantwister]

unless you're not talking about the woman

[Der Übermensch]

Well if you count the fetus, I think the rates might get a wee bit skewed :p

[Smokey D]

Ban homosexual acts, more like ... and at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do.

Howzat?

[Hababi]

Hey Ron, Chomsky's wrong--not JUST about history and current affairs, but also Linguistics:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/16/070416fa_fact_colapinto

[spitfirejunky]

Hey Ron, Chomsky's wrong--not JUST about history and current affairs, but also Linguistics:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/16/070416fa_fact_colapinto

Chomsky makes one wrong claim about linguisitics, therefore Chomsky is wrong about linguistics.

:confused:

[pedro durruti]

Although that article shows that that tribe's language provides a sufficient counter-example to Chomsky's theory of universal grammar, you act as if this discredits Chomsky's entire work in linguistics, and besides, the debate is still going on. Also, why is he wrong about history and current events? Likewise, criticism that has pointed out some of his mistakes does not debunk all that he has said.. Yes Serenity, every book he has written is full of lies and holds no merit.

[Hababi]

Chomsky makes one wrong claim about linguisitics, therefore Chomsky is wrong about linguistics.

:confused:

The concept of universal grammar is the centerpiece of his linguistic philosophy, and his narrow focus has been strangling the study of linguistics for 50 years.

Although that article shows that that tribe's language provides a sufficient counter-example to Chomsky's theory of universal grammar, you act as if this discredits Chomsky's entire work in linguistics, and besides, the debate is still going on. Also, why is he wrong about history and current events? Likewise, criticism that has pointed out some of his mistakes does not debunk all that he has said.. Yes Serenity, every book he has written is full of lies and holds no merit.

Well, the talk of his insane, conspiratorial, hypocritical, racist, and tyrannical views on government and current events is really more for a thread of its own, but as for the point about linguistics, I answered it above.

[Smokey D]

The concept of universal grammar is the centerpiece of his linguistic philosophy, and his narrow focus has been strangling the study of linguistics for 50 years.

But nonetheless the insights it offers are extraordinarily useful in explaining the vast majority of human languages. The problem arises from the infallibility ascribed to him by people who follow his work, not the work itself.

[Hababi]

But nonetheless the insights it offers are extraordinarily useful in explaining the vast majority of human languages.


Oh, most definitely. But there was tremendous arrogance in his taking that one step further to assume it was universal, and to shun any research that could prove him wrong.


The problem arises from the infallibility ascribed to him by people who follow his work, not the work itself.

I think he's as much to blame as his acolytes. He fosters this guru-like image, and has made little substantive rebuttal to critiques in the past 20 years (as evidenced by his declining to comment for the New Yorker story).

Make no mistake about it: I'm not saying that the entire body of Chomsky's work in linguistics is now void. I'm just saying that perhaps his number one idea, the cornerstone of that branch of theoretical linguistics, has been shown to be inadequate.

[pedro durruti]

Well, the talk of his insane, conspiratorial, hypocritical, racist, and tyrannical views on government and current events is really more for a thread of its own, but as for the point about linguistics, I answered it above.
Indeed it does sound fairly insane and conspirital to critique the most powerful and influential government in the world as well as its cohorts, depicting it in such a contrary way to the established opinion. In doing so he does not take a racist or tyrannical view, and I don't know why you keep insisting that he does because if you understand his beliefs at all he is supportive of everything but racism or tyranny.

Even someone as intelligent as Chomsky makes mistakes and contradicts things they've said or written, especially when he's such a prominent academic. Labelling him hypocritical is so vague.
Oh, most definitely. But there was tremendous arrogance in his taking that one step further to assume it was universal, and to shun any research that could prove him wrong.
What the article said may depict him as arrogant, but his character is not at stake here, his intellectual integrity is. It could be said that ignoring this work simply because it disproves the universality of his theory is intellectually reprehensible, but it does not discredit all of his work.

Make no mistake about it: I'm not saying that the entire body of Chomsky's work in linguistics is now void. I'm just saying that perhaps his number one idea, the cornerstone of that branch of theoretical linguistics, has been shown to be inadequate.
It's still adequate to the majority of languages.

[Reaganista]

The concept of universal grammar is the centerpiece of his linguistic philosophy, and his narrow focus has been strangling the study of linguistics for 50 years.

please please please please

don't ever change

[Iskandar]

Howzat?Two good reasons come to mind: one, that population was sometimes low and childbirth was risky, thereby necessitating high marriage rates; and also, that effective protection such as condoms did not exist. Basically, leading a homosexual lifestyle was both contrary to the needs of an ancient society as well as dangerous to onesself. Let's also not forget the "ick" factor of sexual acts which deviated from the norm.

Of course there was exceptions, like Greece, but I feel the majority of ancient societies, particularly the Semitic peoples who practiced the Abrahamic religions, discouraged homosexuality for simple reasons like those I stated above.

[spitfirejunky]

The concept of universal grammar is the centerpiece of his linguistic philosophy, and his narrow focus has been strangling the study of linguistics for 50 years.

It's been strangling his study, if anything. Denying Chomsky's contributions to linguistics would be like denying Einsteins contributions to physics solely because Einstein refused to accept aspects of quantum theory that turned out to be right.

[Reaganista]

einstein was a pol pot apologist

[Dr Hooch]

einstein was a pol pot apologist

and a pantheist of sorts.

[Reaganista]

i heard he was an anti-semite

[Dr Hooch]

i heard he was an anti-semite

Nah, pretty sure he was a zionist.

[ashman]

Aye, he was a Zionist. It'd be pretty missed up if was an anti-semite who was asked to become the president of Israel.

Carrionshine, the new Fenwood?

[spitfirejunky]

einstein was a pol pot apologist

:lol: OK?

[Hababi]

Indeed it does sound fairly insane and conspirital to critique the most powerful and influential government in the world as well as its cohorts, depicting it in such a contrary way to the established opinion. In doing so he does not take a racist or tyrannical view, and I don't know why you keep insisting that he does because if you understand his beliefs at all he is supportive of everything but racism or tyranny.

He has a long history of supporting tyrannical regimes, particularly Pol Pot, and excusing their human rights violations. Along with that, he continually spreads disinformation about America (see: Clinton's air strikes in Sudan).


What the article said may depict him as arrogant, but his character is not at stake here, his intellectual integrity is. It could be said that ignoring this work simply because it disproves the universality of his theory is intellectually reprehensible, but it does not discredit all of his work.


No, and I won't claim that it does, but you'd better believe that I'm going to celebrate any time any aspect of Chomsky's research is disproven, in large part because I hate the guy on a personal level.


It's still adequate to the majority of languages.

Sure. Just not universal :D

It's been strangling his study, if anything. Denying Chomsky's contributions to linguistics would be like denying Einsteins contributions to physics solely because Einstein refused to accept aspects of quantum theory that turned out to be right.

Not just his study, though. Chomsky and his followers set the bar for research of linguistics, and effectively discouraged studying dying languages of backward areas for a long time. To my knowledge, Einstein never attempted to shape the face of physics research.

[pedro durruti]

He has a long history of supporting tyrannical regimes, particularly Pol Pot, and excusing their human rights violations. Along with that, he continually spreads disinformation about America (see: Clinton's air strikes in Sudan).
You keep saying this, and things such as being an apologist for the Khmer Rouge, but it makes no sense. Before you say anything like this again, please cite where he "supports tyranny" and "excuses human rights violations." He does not criticize the US for human rights violations to simply spite it, he criticizes it because it has consistently violated human rights, and laws and many other things, and given its role in the world. This focus on the US does not mean he ignores or favors the violations of other nations who are enemies to the US.

It looks like he greatly exaggerated the casualties, but the fact still remains that the US bombed Sudan and doubtless there were one too many innocent civillians killed. The bulk of Chomsky's political work examines US policy, so although there might be occasional falsehoods, much of it is true and not just left-wing propaganda.

[Hababi]

You keep saying this, and things such as being an apologist for the Khmer Rouge, but it makes no sense. Before you say anything like this again, please cite where he "supports tyranny" and "excuses human rights violations."

:confused: Are you unfamiliar with Chomsky's pro-Khmer Rouge propaganda?

In 1977 Chomsky, with Edward Herman, used varying contradictory reports of mass atrocities committed by the Cambodian Khmer Rouge and argued that "sharply conflicting assessments" of events in Cambodia from different reputable sources were being selected from by the media in a way that created "a seriously distorted version of the evidence available, emphasizing alleged Khmer Rouge atrocities and downplaying or ignoring the crucial U.S. role, direct and indirect, in the torment that Cambodia has suffered." "But if postwar Cambodia is more similar to France after liberation, where many thousands of people were massacred within a few months under far less rigorous conditions than those left by the American war, then perhaps a rather different judgement is in order. That the latter conclusion may be more nearly correct is suggested by the analyses mentioned earlier."[6] This argument, first presented in the article Distortions at Fourth Hand, was expanded in the pair’s 1979 book After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology.

Also, he defended Vietcong terrorism, Slobadan Milosevic, and most every other human rights violating enemy of America.

He is also an antisemite, and a defender of Islamic terrorism.



It looks like he greatly exaggerated the casualties,

Exactly. His political writings have no committment to the truth, and continually distort the facts.


but the fact still remains that the US bombed Sudan and doubtless there were one too many innocent civillians killed.

That doesn't give him permission to lie about it.

[pedro durruti]

:confused: Are you unfamiliar with Chomsky's pro-Khmer Rouge propaganda?

In 1977 Chomsky, with Edward Herman, used varying contradictory reports of mass atrocities committed by the Cambodian Khmer Rouge and argued that "sharply conflicting assessments" of events in Cambodia from different reputable sources were being selected from by the media in a way that created "a seriously distorted version of the evidence available, emphasizing alleged Khmer Rouge atrocities and downplaying or ignoring the crucial U.S. role, direct and indirect, in the torment that Cambodia has suffered." "But if postwar Cambodia is more similar to France after liberation, where many thousands of people were massacred within a few months under far less rigorous conditions than those left by the American war, then perhaps a rather different judgement is in order. That the latter conclusion may be more nearly correct is suggested by the analyses mentioned earlier."[6] This argument, first presented in the article Distortions at Fourth Hand, was expanded in the pair’s 1979 book After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology.
How does that in any way mean support for the Khmer Rouge?
Also, he defended Vietcong terrorism, Slobadan Milosevic, and most every other human rights violating enemy of America.

He is also an antisemite, and a defender of Islamic terrorism.
I honestly don't know where you are getting these silly ideas from. You obviously don't understand his politics if you actually believe he approves of violence and dictatorship. Condemning the US does not mean conding its enemies. And let's be realistic. Everyone who doesn't have an Israeli flag in their room is an anti-Semite to you.
Exactly. His political writings have no committment to the truth, and continually distort the facts.
An exaggeration is a distortion of the truth, not a complete detachment from it. This exaggeration was merely an instance that does not reflect his political writings as a whole whatsoever. Many respectable, credible writers have twisted the truh at certain times, but to say that such a rare instance of "lying" discredits everything someone has said is absurd.
That doesn't give him permission to lie about it.
You are right, it doesn't.

[Hababi]

How does that in any way mean support for the Khmer Rouge?

Why else was he trying to mislead the public about its atrocities? Chomsky has no problem with totalitarianism, so long as it's Marxist totalitarianism.

I honestly don't know where you are getting these silly ideas from. You obviously don't understand his politics if you actually believe he approves of violence and dictatorship.


But he does, that's the whole point.


Everyone who doesn't have an Israeli flag in their room is an anti-Semite to you.

He has accused Jews of controlling "98% of the world" and falsifying antisemitism to gain control over the last 2 percent, he has continually compared Israel to Nazi Germany, he has defended Holocaust denial as having historical merits and has voiced his own personal support for Holocaust denial, etc. I'm sorry but his antisemitism is blatant.

An exaggeration is a distortion of the truth, not a complete detachment from it. This exaggeration was merely an instance that does not reflect his political writings as a whole whatsoever. Many respectable, credible writers have twisted the truh at certain times, but to say that such a rare instance of "lying" discredits everything someone has said is absurd.

Not really. Respectable voices cite their sources and don't lie. Chomsky lies and misquotes sources, this is not a one-time thing but a continual trend. Chomsky is a complete joke as a political commentator and makes Ann Coulter look like a respectable, honest and levelheaded voice.

[pedro durruti]

Why else was he trying to mislead the public about its atrocities? Chomsky has no problem with totalitarianism, so long as it's Marxist totalitarianism.
The media was what was misleading the public, which was what he was arguing along with criticizing the US.
But he does, that's the whole point.
No, he doesn't. If he does, you should find an example of his writing that clearly shows his totalitarian views other than this Khmer Rouge nonsense easily. Because you're not doing a good job showing me how his comments on the Khmer Rouge exhibit this.
He has accused Jews of controlling "98% of the world" and falsifying antisemitism to gain control over the last 2 percent, he has continually compared Israel to Nazi Germany, he has defended Holocaust denial as having historical merits and has voiced his own personal support for Holocaust denial, etc. I'm sorry but his antisemitism is blatant.
Sources please.
Not really. Respectable voices cite their sources and don't lie.
Start practicing what you preach.
Chomsky lies and misquotes sources, this is not a one-time thing but a continual trend. Chomsky is a complete joke as a political commentator and makes Ann Coulter look like a respectable, honest and levelheaded voice.
So bring up more examples.

[pedro durruti]

Serenity now!!!!

[pedro durruti]

Insanity later

[siva_chair]

and a pantheist of sorts.

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind"--Albert Einstein

:)

[gregulus]

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind"--Albert Einstein

:)

holy ****, look who is back. you planning on sticking around?

[siva_chair]

holy ****, look who is back. you planning on sticking around?

Who knows?

[AmericanWeiner]

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind"--Albert Einstein

:)

It's too bad that more people don't listen to geniuses.

[Der Übermensch]

SIVA!!!! Where the heck have you been!?!?

[siva_chair]

It's too bad that more people don't listen to geniuses.

I would say it is too bad people don't just observe these things themselves. You don't need to listen to anyone to observe these things.

[siva_chair]

SIVA!!!! Where the heck have you been!?!?

Playing in a traveling band.

Actually, I've been around. Thought I would stop by and see how things were going around here.

[Hababi]

The media was what was misleading the public, which was what he was arguing along with criticizing the US.

:confused: So...you don't believe that Pol Pot enslaved his population and murdered 1/3 of it??? That was just US propaganda?????? He was spreading propaganda for a murderous regime. That is inexcusable and he should've lost his job over it.



No, he doesn't. If he does, you should find an example of his writing that clearly shows his totalitarian views other than this Khmer Rouge nonsense easily. Because you're not doing a good job showing me how his comments on the Khmer Rouge exhibit this.


So, his spreading propaganda to mislead people about the nature of one of the worst regimes in history is nothing?



Sources please.


http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html#anchor27613

There's plenty of racism, but it's directed against Blacks, Latinos, Arabs are targets of enormous racism, and those problems are real. Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem, fortunately. It's raised, but it's raised because privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control.

http://www.variant.randomstate.org/16texts/Chomsky.html

Chomsky's history of love affairs with blatant antisemites: http://www.jbooks.com/interviews/index/IP_Dershowitz.htm

Here, Chomsky says that Holocaust-denying, anti semitic Robert Faurisson is not, so far as he can tell, an anti-semite, and that there's nothing anti-semitic about denying that the Holocaust happened: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/8010-free-expression.html

Chomsky has said that he is "agnostic" as to whether the Holocaust occured: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.libertarian/browse_thread/thread/6947eab2a9bc683e/a6244f698173395a

Chomsky has called for all US presidents to be captured and face trial for war crimes, but has never issued a similar statement for the rulers of China, Vietnam, Burma, etc. http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/may03/chomsky.htm

That should be enough to get you started.


Start practicing what you preach.


:confused:





Oh, and :wave: Siva, stick around.

[siva_chair]

Chomsky's history of love affairs with blatant antisemites:

Hehe. I like the choice of words here.

Maybe he took them out on romantic dinners, perhaps over a nice Marlowe or Chianti. Then perhaps they caught a film (probably an old Communist propoganda film at that). Then, who knows what happened in the wee hours of the morning after that......One can only imagine.

I wonder if Chomsky called them afterwords, or if they were just cheap, disposable thrills to him......

Oh, and :wave: Siva, stick around.

I suppose we shall see.

[Hababi]

Hehe. I like the choice of words here.

Maybe he took them out on romantic dinners, perhaps over a nice Marlowe or Chianti. Then perhaps they caught a film (probably an old Communist propoganda film at that). Then, who knows what happened in the wee hours of the morning after that......One can only imagine.


Oh just foreplay, I'm sure. You know, tickling each other while reciting passages of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion from memory. That type of thing.

I wonder if Chomsky called them afterwords, or if they were just cheap, disposable thrills to him......


Love 'em and leave 'em.

[siva_chair]

Oh just foreplay, I'm sure. You know, tickling each other while reciting passages of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion from memory. That type of thing.

I'm sure they are big on sharing bodily fluids. Redistributing the wealth and all...

Love 'em and leave 'em.

Ahh, but there are revolutions and Bourgeoisie to overthrow elsewhere.

[Hababi]

I'm sure they are big on sharing bodily fluids. Redistributing the wealth and all...


Oh that's another thing about Chomsky--he doesn't really believe in all that, as evidenced by his status as a multimillionaire living in an exclusive neighborhood. So, he'd only receive, and give nothing in return. He's really like the old Soviet bosses.

[siva_chair]

Oh that's another thing about Chomsky--he doesn't really believe in all that, as evidenced by his status as a multimillionaire living in an exclusive neighborhood. So, he'd only receive, and give nothing in return. He's really like the old Soviet bosses.

Heh. Capitalism has treated him well.

[AmericanWeiner]

I would say it is too bad people don't just observe these things themselves. You don't need to listen to anyone to observe these things.

Some people aren't capable of experiencing individually what others can show them. We can't blame them for that.

[siva_chair]

Some people aren't capable of experiencing individually what others can show them. We can't blame them for that.

Is it that they cannot, or that they choose not to?

[Iskandar]

Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem, fortunately.Sounds like the words of a raging anti-Semite to me.

[Hababi]

"Racism is no longer a problem, thankfully. Blacks just make it oiut to be so they can control everything."

Hmm :amaze:

[Iskandar]

"Racism is no longer a problem, thankfully. Blacks just make it oiut to be so they can control everything."

Hmm :amaze:He said "certain people," not "the international Jewish conspiracy to control the world."

[Hababi]

He said "certain people," not "the international Jewish conspiracy to control the world."

:lol: And who might those 'certain people' be? Mongolians? The Cherokee? No, Jews. Just because he doesn't explicate it doesn't mean it's present; it's the same old "Jews out to control the world' conspiracy nonsense."

[Iskandar]

:lol: And who might those 'certain people' be? Mongolians? The Cherokee? No, Jews. Just because he doesn't explicate it doesn't mean it's present; it's the same old "Jews out to control the world' conspiracy nonsense."I actually thought, when I first read that quote, that he was simply referring to people in power.

[Hababi]

I actually thought, when I first read that quote, that he was simply referring to people in power.

Not just any people. Jews. "Powerful Jews."

[lfantwister]

as opposed to what, weak jews? who dont go to the gym?

I hate this talk about the Jewish lobby.

[Iskandar]

Not just any people. Jews. "Powerful Jews."Yeah, there are a lot of powerful and influential Jews in America. That's one of the reasons why Israel has managed to remain in existence. This is just a fact.

[Hababi]

Yeah, there are a lot of powerful and influential Jews in America. That's one of the reasons why Israel has managed to remain in existence. This is just a fact.

The way Chomsky puts it is a hallmark of antisemitic "Jewish conspiracy" talk.

[Iskandar]

The way Chomsky puts it is a hallmark of antisemitic "Jewish conspiracy" talk.I think you're determined to see it that way.

I'm not defending Chomsky. I just don't consider that particular quote to be blatantly anti-Semitic.

[Hababi]

I think you're determined to see it that way.


I think you're misunderstanding the quote. He's not saying "there are rich and influential Jewish people in America." He's saying "Jews control 98% of the power in the world and invent anti-semitism to get control over the other 2%."

[Iskandar]

I think you're misunderstanding the quote. He's not saying "there are rich and influential Jewish people in America." He's saying "Jews control 98% of the power in the world and invent anti-semitism to get control over the other 2%."
But he isn't saying that. He's saying that anti-Semitism is made out to be an issue when in his opinion it really isn't, for political purposes. When he refers to "98% power," he's clearly not intending for that to be taken literally.

[Hababi]

But he isn't saying that. He's saying that anti-Semitism is made out to be an issue when in his opinion it really isn't, for political purposes. When he refers to "98% power," he's clearly not intending for that to be taken literally.

But now you're the one reading into the statement. I think he means it quite literally, and the only people who would be 'creating it' (which is in and of itself an insulting and racist statement) would be Jews, this is just blatant.

[Iskandar]

But now you're the one reading into the statement. I think he means it quite literally, and the only people who would be 'creating it' (which is in and of itself an insulting and racist statement) would be Jews, this is just blatant.Come on, Noam Chomsky doesn't really think Jews control 98% of the entire world. One would have to be mentally insane to believe that.

I found a quotable quote:

"If you identify the country, the people, the culture with the rulers, accept the totalitarian doctrine, then yeah, it's anti-Semitic to criticize the Israeli policy, and anti-American to criticize the American policy, and it was anti-Soviet when the dissidents criticized Russian policy."

[Hababi]

Come on, Noam Chomsky doesn't really think Jews control 98% of the entire world. One would have to be mentally insane to believe that.


He is. The inmate runs the asylum.

[Iskandar]

He is. The inmate runs the asylum.Noam Chomsky is mentally insane. Right.

[Hababi]

Noam Chomsky is mentally insane. Right.

One can be incredibly intellectually gifted and still insane. See Ted Kaczinski (who, I'll remind you, was one of the greatest mathematical minds in the country) and Bobby Fischer. And Noam Chomsky.

[Iskandar]

One can be incredibly intellectually gifted and still insane. See Ted Kaczinski (who, I'll remind you, was one of the greatest mathematical minds in the country) and Bobby Fischer. And Noam Chomsky.Bobby Fischer isn't insane, he's just deluded.

[Mr. Ron]

Steve you are hopeless.

[Hababi]

Bobby Fischer isn't insane, he's just deluded.

It's a bit of semantics, but being delusional is a symptom of some level of insanity (that is, a lack of sanity). Actually I think he's more just a poorly spoken, more blunt version of Chomsky :p

[Mr. Ron]

Heh, listen to this garbage

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/17887/1/TOF-McCain-Immigration-WhitePower-05-31-07.wmv

[Iskandar]

Man I love immigrants.

[Mr. Ron]

Apparently not if you threaten the christian, white male power structure.

[Iskandar]

Apparently not if you threaten the christian, white male power structure.I'd love to take a few shots at it.

A lot of Mexican immigrants would be devout Catholics though, methinks.

[Reaganista]

guys we've really gotten pretty far away from einstein's fundamental hatred of the cambodian people can we get back on track plz

[spitfirejunky]

Not just his study, though. Chomsky and his followers set the bar for research of linguistics, and effectively discouraged studying dying languages of backward areas for a long time. To my knowledge, Einstein never attempted to shape the face of physics research.

That still doesn't make the entirity of Chomsky's research false.

[Hababi]

I'd love to take a few shots at it.

A lot of Mexican immigrants would be devout Catholics though, methinks.

Exactly :cool:

If the Republican party ends up being controlled by the Nativists, I might have to vote Democrat in 08, and that will be painful :\

[Iskandar]

Exactly :cool:

If the Republican party ends up being controlled by the Nativists, I might have to vote Democrat in 08, and that will be painful :\Is "nativist" just a euphemism for "nationalist"? That's what it seems like to me. It's an odd term.

[Reaganista]

no it's a euphemism for nativist

[Hababi]

Is "nativist" just a euphemism for "nationalist"? That's what it seems like to me. It's an odd term.

The two aren't quite the same, though most Nativists are also Nationalists and vice versa :p

Actually, dems should be rooting for a Nativist to gain the nom, or just shift the zietgist of the positions to being anti-immigrant, because it'll mean the destruction of the Republican party.

[ringworm]

Heh, listen to this garbage

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/17887/1/TOF-McCain-Immigration-WhitePower-05-31-07.wmv
garbage?

[Knifeboy]

no it's a euphemism for nativist

no it isnt

[Reaganista]

yeah it is

[AmericanWeiner]

anyone watchin the debate?

[Reaganista]

the debate between piers and sharon osbourne on america's got talent?

yeah im watchin it

[Hababi]

I'll catch some of it when it goes online. From what I've read, Huckabee and McCain did well, while Tancredo was way off the deep end and Ron Paul was his usual self.

[AmericanWeiner]

yeah paul seemed to get a lot of love from the crowd which suprised me.

mccain seems charismatic but I dont like him at all, which scares me.

mitt ramney (?) was just kinda creepy and staged

same for tom thompson

rudy seemed alright and IF a repub had to make it and ron paul wouldnt (and we all know he wont)...I dunno. He seems like my choice.

[pedro durruti]

:confused: So...you don't believe that Pol Pot enslaved his population and murdered 1/3 of it??? That was just US propaganda?????? He was spreading propaganda for a murderous regime. That is inexcusable and he should've lost his job over it.He did not deny the genocide, he said that the media had distorted the truth and omitted US involvement.
So, his spreading propaganda to mislead people about the nature of one of the worst regimes in history is nothing?
Did he say that he supported the actions of the Khmer Rouge?
http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html#anchor27613
That does not indicate anti-Semitism, it indicates a political bias.
http://www.variant.randomstate.org/16texts/Chomsky.html
I don't know what to say about that, it's kind of nebulous because of how he said it and because it is a transcript.
Chomsky's history of love affairs with blatant antisemites: http://www.jbooks.com/interviews/index/IP_Dershowitz.htm
I didn't bother to read any of this, but it should be noted that he's been married for almost sixty years, this man seems to be Chomsky's rival, and affiliation does not determine identity.

Here, Chomsky says that Holocaust-denying, anti semitic Robert Faurisson is not, so far as he can tell, an anti-semite, and that there's nothing anti-semitic about denying that the Holocaust happened: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/8010-free-expression.html
There is nothing intrinsically anti-Semitic about denying the Holocaust, and this has nothing to do with Chomsky's supposed anti-Semitism.
Chomsky has said that he is "agnostic" as to whether the Holocaust occured: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.libertarian/browse_thread/thread/6947eab2a9bc683e/a6244f698173395a
Even if you can rely on this anectdotal evidence it still does not make him an anti-Semite.
Chomsky has called for all US presidents to be captured and face trial for war crimes, but has never issued a similar statement for the rulers of China, Vietnam, Burma, etc. http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/may03/chomsky.htm
Maybe because they have already been condemned by the international community?

[Reaganista]

iswearsometimesijustwanttotypewithoutspacesithinki tsreallytheonlywaytocommunicatehowifeelaboutallthi s

[Eliminator]

According to Tancredo, all bilingual countries fail.

[Reaganista]

stupid canadian failures

[Der Übermensch]

post 7,000 :)

[Mr. Ron]

So i'm thinking of inviting this kid to the political forums: http://www.myspace.com/llamas_revolution

[HazMatBlue]

he looks like he would fit in


Occupation: I hate work.

this made me laugh

[Hababi]

So i'm thinking of inviting this kid to the political forums lol: http://www.myspace.com/llamas_revolution

:lol: Wasn't that guy already a member (Fenwood)? :p

[ringworm]

Whew, I just had a close call at lunch today

I was right in between a 2-car collision, I had to jump out and stop one guys car from rolling down a hill, he was unconscious…

the bad thing was, here I am, 30+ miles from home, and the guy who caused it was a nbhr of mine?

how weird is that?

both guys will be OK I think

[Dr Hooch]

So i'm thinking of inviting this kid to the political forums: http://www.myspace.com/llamas_revolution

DO

IT



I can ask him what he wants me to be when only the working class matter and how his plan to oppress the bourgoisie is any ebtter than what we currently have

[spitfirejunky]

Whew, I just had a close call at lunch today

I was right in between a 2-car collision, I had to jump out and stop one guys car from rolling down a hill, he was unconscious…

the bad thing was, here I am, 30+ miles from home, and the guy who caused it was a nbhr of mine?

how weird is that?

both guys will be OK I think

Damn.

[pedro durruti]

this made me laugh
Haha yeah, some voice of the working class! Damn communist, that man loves everything that is red.

[Reaganista]

So i'm thinking of inviting this kid to the political forums: http://www.myspace.com/llamas_revolution

go for it
i'll explain to him how no one in the first world is a proletariat it will be fun

[pedro durruti]

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_159222541.html

[Mr. Ron]

Ok, I need some psyche help.



If you were training a dog how to sit by saying the word "sit" and physically pushing their rear down when saying that...would that be the Conditioned stimuli?

[Reaganista]

i think you'd be conditioning them to expect to be pushed when you say sit...

[Mr. Ron]

i think you'd be conditioning them to expect to be pushed when you say sit...

Idk, thats what my professor did to train her dogs to sit and she's also a veterinarian. Beats me.

[Der Übermensch]

It's a way to train them to sit, but I dunno if it's considered a conditioned stimuli... Might be though... been awhile since I took psych.

[Mr. Ron]

I realized that the conditioned stimuli would be telling them to sit when they have been trained to sit when told to.

[arrell]

Ok, I need some psyche help.



If you were training a dog how to sit by saying the word "sit" and physically pushing their rear down when saying that...would that be the Conditioned stimuli?

Studying psych as well (exam on Wednesday actually). I believe this might be a mixture of classical and operant conditioning. The "sit" involves associating of two stimuli (the sound "sit" and perhaps the pushing), while the dog is negatively reinforced by going along with their rear being pushed (to avoid the resistance).

[PerpetualBurn]

That's a retarded way to train a dog.

[Dr Hooch]

What you just wait until they guess that sit means sit down then give them a million treats and hope they work out why?

you might be in for a long wait

[arrell]

What you just wait until they guess that sit means sit down then give them a million treats and hope they work out why?

you might be in for a long wait

Actually, that'd just be the opposite method involving classic and operant conditioning again at work (but with positive reinforcement, instead of negative reinforcement). Sure, it'd be waaay slower, but it would still work.

[ringworm]

WTF? I thought New Yorkers were supposed to be the supreme beings in America?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjtdxcNsRCM&mode=related&search=

[PerpetualBurn]

There are also surveys showing an a good percentage still believe there is a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

People are idiots.

[Dr Hooch]

There are also surveys showing an a good percentage still believe there is a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

People are idiots.

"We're taking the fight to them! :D"

[ringworm]

you have GOT to see this lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ZcfbOXnoU

[Reaganista]

i disagree

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm trying to think of something less funny.

But I can't.

Maybe AIDS, but that's hilarious at times.

[griftadan]

/drops gay bomb in thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KnTYGbOI5c

[Reaganista]

lmao
OMFG 1994 are u ****ing shitting me

[Inspiration]

i have a gay bomb in my basement

[Reaganista]

i want to be the girl with the most cake

[Inspiration]

hey reaganista thanks for the neg rep

i pos repped you in return

[spitfirejunky]

you have GOT to see this lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ZcfbOXnoU

Hey that's actually not that bad. Too bad the genre sucks.

/drops gay bomb in thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KnTYGbOI5c

:lol: What the ****?

[ringworm]

Hey that's actually not that bad. Too bad the genre sucks.
whoever interlaced the audio & video did a great job

some thought it was for real :)

[spitfirejunky]

whoever interlaced the audio & video did a great job

some thought it was for real :)

Yep, YouTube teems with dub-ins.

[PerpetualBurn]

hey reaganista thanks for the neg rep

i pos repped you in return

Bellend.

[Inspiration]

Bellend.

hey some guy just neg repped me saying the same thing

[Reaganista]

hey reaganista thanks for the neg rep

i pos repped you in return

dood ur rep is neutral anyway

but thanks for breaking my user CP that was coo

[siva_chair]

So I just got back from working a giant hippie jam fest and I realized that the weekend-warrior-I-smoke-pot-so-I-think-I'm-an-intellectual-fratboy hippies pretty much suck. I also found a test that I think is pretty fail proof to determine a real hippie from said fratboy hippie. You simply drive down the road with a forklift and the real hippies step off the road and wave and smile as you go by, while the others just keep walking on the road because they think they are special you should have to drive around them. I really had the urge to see how many I could impale on my forks.

Plus, they smell really bad.

[PerpetualBurn]

Oh, Siva Chair, how I have missed you.

[siva_chair]

Oh, Siva Chair, how I have missed you.

For some reason, I sense your statement lacks sincerity.

[Der Übermensch]

Go all Cartman on their ***...
I'm probably gonna be working on a farm soon, and i'll get to drive a forklift :)
No hippies there to impale though :(

[Dr Hooch]

aww man siva you'd've loved my exam today

it was general studies and it was about art and it had lots of words in it that i didn't think were being used very effectively

apparently a photo of 3 million bats flying out of a cave is "postmodern socio-political comment" or somehting

[Iskandar]

apparently a photo of 3 million bats flying out of a cave is "postmodern socio-political comment" or somehtingUgh, I hate intellectual jargon with a fiery passion.

[siva_chair]

Go all Cartman on their ***...
I'm probably gonna be working on a farm soon, and i'll get to drive a forklift :)
No hippies there to impale though :(

Well, I am a sound and staging guy, so forklifts are very neccessary. They are also handy for impaling hippies I suppose.

But the festival wasn't all bad really. I got to see Ben Harper, Les Claypool, The Nightwatchman (aka Tom Morello), and John Butler Trio among many other great acts.

[PerpetualBurn]

For some reason, I sense your statement lacks sincerity.

Partly. At least you're more interesting than most people.

aww man siva you'd've loved my exam today

it was general studies and it was about art and it had lots of words in it that i didn't think were being used very effectively

apparently a photo of 3 million bats flying out of a cave is "postmodern socio-political comment" or somehting

General Studies is a joke. I helped a mate with it last year for the case study paper. I managed to accurately predict all the questions on it.

[siva_chair]

Partly. At least you're more interesting than most people.

Well I suppose that is a plus. Thank you for the compliment.

[Dave de Sylvia]

yo seth

[siva_chair]

yo seth

What up my ninja?

I see you have descended to intraweb godhood.

[Reaganista]

omg lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws4RxWtnOg&mode=related&search=

[Dave de Sylvia]

What up my ninja?

I see you have descended to intraweb godhood.
yes my forum situation matches my real lifes

how are you? i see you extended your myspace name by 20 or 30 titles

[griftadan]

omg lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws4RxWtnOg&mode=related&search=

I KNEW IT

[gregulus]

hippie jam fests would be the worst. not because of the music, but because of the people :(

[siva_chair]

yes my forum situation matches my real lifes

how are you? i see you extended your myspace name by 20 or 30 titles

Of course. Isn't that what life is all about? Accumulating titles?

I'm alright. Just kinda hangin' around.

[siva_chair]

hippie jam fests would be the worst. not because of the music, but because of the people :(

Yep, pretty much.

Plus, some of the music sucks too.

[spitfirejunky]

omg lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws4RxWtnOg&mode=related&search=

:lol: The dubbing is terrible.

[Hababi]

Irony:
I saw a girl on the bus the other day who had a "Think Peace" pin...on a Che Guevara purse :lol: :rolleyes:

[Der Übermensch]

O... the sweet justaposition of Capitalism, Communism, Hippy-peace-****, and global revolution :)

[Mr. Ron]

I actually explained to a kid I know at work that che was a murderer, since he has a few che shirts, and he thought I was just trying to knock his "good name".

:^/

[Dr Hooch]

Some of these kids seem to get him mixed up with ghandi half the time.

[Reaganista]

it's ok to kill bourgeois and disloyal soldiers noobs

[ringworm]

Tell me, how the &^%$ did Lindsay Lohan get #1 on Maxim's Hot 100 List ?


1. Lindsay Lohan
2. Jessica Alba
3. Scarlett Johansson
4. Christina Aguilera
5. Jessica Biel
6. Ali Larter
7. Eva Mendes
8. Rihanna
9. Eva Longoria
10. Fergie

[PerpetualBurn]

Snorted coke with the editor, I assume.

[Der Übermensch]

At least Lohan has some plausability to potentially be attractive... Why the hell is the godawful fug face Fergie on there?

[PerpetualBurn]

She has a face?

[Der Übermensch]

I'm not sure... I think they might have transplanted a Pug's onto her head...

[PerpetualBurn]

In conclusion this list does not include Natalie Portman and is therefore wrong.

[Reaganista]

Tell me, how the &^%$ did Lindsay Lohan get #1 on Maxim's Hot 100 List
dood because she's smokin hot

[Knifeboy]

Fergie... eeewww

[gregulus]

yeah, fergie's pretty gross. lohan isn't a gem either.

[siva_chair]

In conclusion this list does not include Natalie Portman and is therefore wrong.

I think this is one of the few times I can recall that I have agreed with you 100% on any subject.

[Der Übermensch]

I don't think anyone could disagree with that.

[Mr. Ron]

Some of these kids seem to get him mixed up with ghandi half the time.

Ghandi is overrated. He was a huge racist.

[siva_chair]

I don't think anyone could disagree with that.


If they do then they are gay. It's the only logical conclusion.

[siva_chair]

Ghandi is overrated. He was a huge racist.

No way Ghandi rocked. I can't recall offhand any other time in history when a skinny Indian man bitch slapped the face of the British Empire with his pecker pretty much single-handedly.

[gregulus]

If they do then they are gay. It's the only logical conclusion.

quoted for truth. natalie portman is incredibly attractive.

[Smokey D]

Pretty much no historical figure was perfect, and if we apply modern sensibilities on racism and civil society nearly everyone will come up short. I also don't think standing up to the British and being the father of India gives Gandhi any special moral authority. It was his commitment to non-violence, even in the face of stiff British resistance and religious disharmony, that makes him someone to look up to.

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.baldhalloffame.com/images/__natalie%20portman%2001.jpg

[italic zero]

Pretty much no historical figure was perfect, and if we apply modern sensibilities on racism and civil society nearly everyone will come up short. I also don't think standing up to the British and being the father of India gives Gandhi any special moral authority. It was his commitment to non-violence, even in the face of stiff British resistance and religious disharmony, that makes him someone to look up to.
Natalie Portman is perfect.

[Smokey D]

Point taken.

[Mr. Ron]

Mandy Moore beats Portman though.


/awaits flames

[gregulus]

Mandy Moore beats Portman though.


/awaits flames

gtfo

[Mr. Ron]

gtfo

DO YOU BITE YOUR THUMB AT ME SIR

[Der Übermensch]

Stop blaspheming ron

[Mr. Ron]

Come on......COME ON


http://i8.tinypic.com/4pan4oi.jpg

[gregulus]

DO YOU BITE YOUR THUMB AT ME SIR

i'm actually biting both

HOW U GUNA ACT?

[Mr. Ron]

****

[siva_chair]

Pretty much no historical figure was perfect, and if we apply modern sensibilities on racism and civil society nearly everyone will come up short. I also don't think standing up to the British and being the father of India gives Gandhi any special moral authority. It was his commitment to non-violence, even in the face of stiff British resistance and religious disharmony, that makes him someone to look up to.

Well sure I agree, but it was still cool as hell and must be pointed out that he mushroom stamped the tyranical British Empire with his non-violent yogurt cannon in an act of supreme badassary. I mean, come on, that was pretty cool.

Come on......COME ON


http://i8.tinypic.com/4pan4oi.jpg

As boner inspiring as she may be, she still can't touch Natalie Portman. Especially in the eyes of any diehard Star Wars nerd, such as myself.

[thedeadwalk!]

Funny, no?

http://www.tshirtwatch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/natalie-portman-snl-outtakes-030615.jpg

[italic zero]

Mandy Moore beats Portman though.


/awaits flames
no ur gay

[spitfirejunky]

This never gets old. :)

http://qntm.org/destroy

[Mr. Ron]

no ur gay

I always wondered why I'm so good at interior decorating. :(

[Smokey D]

Well sure I agree, but it was still cool as hell and must be pointed out that he mushroom stamped the tyranical British Empire with his non-violent yogurt cannon in an act of supreme badassary. I mean, come on, that was pretty cool.

I don't think tyrannical is very accurate in describing the British empire.

[gregulus]

I don't think tyrannical is very accurate in describing the British empire.

psh, technicallity.

[Mr. Ron]

I agree.

[Reaganista]

Storming through the party like my name was El Nino
When I’m hangin' out drinking in the back of an El Camino
As a kid, was a skid and no one knew me by name.
I trashed my own house party cause no body came.

I know I’m not the one you thought you knew back in high school
Never going, never showing up when we had to.
Is it attention that we crave don’t tell us to behave,
I’m sick of always hearing 'act your age'.

I don’t want to waste my time
And become a casualty of society.
I’ll never fall in line
Become another victim of your conformity
And back down.

Be-cause-you-don’t
Know us at all we laugh when old people fall.
But what would you expect with a conscience so small.
Heavy metal and mullets it’s how we were raised.
Maiden and Priest were the guys that we praised

Cause we like having fun at other peoples expense and,
Cutting people down is just a minor offence then,
It’s none of your concern, I guess I’ll never learn.
I’m sick of being told to wait my turn.

Chorus

Don’t count on me, to let you know when.
Don’t count on me, I’ll do it again.
Don’t count on me, it’s the point you’re missing.
Don’t count on me, cause I’m not listening.

Well I’m a no goodnick lower middle class brat,
Back packed and I don’t give a **** about nothing.
You be standing on the corner talking old like a buffin.
But you don’t make sense from all the gas you be huffing.
Then if the egg don’t stain you’ll be ringing off the hook,
You’re on the hit list wanted in the telephone book.
I like songs with distortion, to drink in proportion.
The doctor said my mom should've had an abortion.

Chorus

Waste my time with them
Casualty of society.
Waste my time again,
Victim of your conformity
And back down.

[ringworm]

i cant beleive you guys think N Portman is that hot? :)


she's OK, but she needs a few sandwiches

[siva_chair]

i cant beleive you guys think N Portman is that hot? :)


she's OK, but she needs a few sandwiches

I think you need a few STFU sandwiches!

[ringworm]

lol :)

i guess i am more of a Scarlett Johansson or Alyssa Milano type o guy

throw in some Jamie Presley and Claire Danes and we are set

[Hababi]

You are not permitted to leave again, Siva.

[ringworm]

yeah, i always liked reading his posts

[siva_chair]

You are not permitted to leave again, Siva.

Haha why is that?


I don't know man, that sounds like a form of tyranny to me.....:p

[Hababi]

Haha why is that?


Because it's much less interesting when you're not around :\


I don't know man, that sounds like a form of tyranny to me.....:p

It's not tyranny unless you decide to try to leave :evil:

[siva_chair]

Because it's much less interesting when you're not around :\

Well that is....interesting.

It's not tyranny unless you decide to try to leave :evil:

Be forewarned, I am trained in not only the Jedi arts, but also the sacred arts of Ninjutsu and guerilla warfare.

I'll give you a war you won't believe (yay for Rambo)...

[Dr Hooch]

I think that hippiefest has made siva into a real person, who instead of being a christo-pantheist-dreamer watches rambo films and gets pissed off with 15 year olds.

[Mr. Ron]

lol :)

i guess i am more of a Scarlett Johansson or Alyssa Milano type o guy

throw in some Jamie Presley and Claire Danes and we are set

Yes.

[arrell]

Mmm... Claire Danes... Wouldn't mind a piece.

[lfantwister]

Jessica Alba wins hands down

[siva_chair]

I think that hippiefest has made siva into a real person, who instead of being a christo-pantheist-dreamer watches rambo films and gets pissed off with 15 year olds.

No, I'm still the same old person. Perhaps you just never saw the many sides that I have.

[siva_chair]

Jessica Alba wins hands down

No, Jessica Alba wins pants down.

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm sick of all this Alba worship. She's mega, but everyone constantly putting her top of the list is blatantly irritating.

[siva_chair]

I'm sick of all this Alba worship. She's mega, but everyone constantly putting her top of the list is blatantly irritating.

Hey if you don't like Jessica Alba, then you can geeeet out!

If you aren't with us, then you are against us.

[PerpetualBurn]

I never said I didn't like her.

[siva_chair]

I never said I didn't like her.

I know that, but it is unpatriotic of you to criticize her position at the top.

UR A TERRERIZT!1!

[Dr Hooch]

I know that, but it is unpatriotic of you to criticize her position at the top.

UR A TERRERIZT!1!

I cannot show you that andy is not a TERRERIZT; you have closed your mind to the possibility that your councious could accept that andy and al quaeda are not two distinct entities but are linked with wavy lines instead of being seperate boxes. Only when you open up your mind to the idea that andy sees the link but nethertheless distinguishes between thinking alba is overrated and bombing planes will you see the truth.

[siva_chair]

I cannot show you that andy is not a TERRERIZT; you have closed your mind to the possibility that your councious could accept that andy and al quaeda are not two distinct entities but are linked with wavy lines instead of being seperate boxes. Only when you open up your mind to the idea that andy sees the link but nethertheless distinguishes between thinking alba is overrated and bombing planes will you see the truth.

No one said anything about Al Queda.

Plus, everytime you misspell consciousness, an orphan in Rwanda dies. Way to go, you heartless bastard.

Don't seek the truth, only cease to cherish opinions.

[Reaganista]

dood lindsay lohan is super hot

[lfantwister]

jessica alba's hotter

[pedro durruti]

Yeah that is for sure. Anyways, didn't Lohan lose her looks some time after Mean Girls?

[gregulus]

I'll give you a war you won't believe (yay for Rambo)...
have you seen the john rambo trailer? holy **** looks epic.

jessica alba's a babe. but natalie portman is the epitome of adorable.

[Reaganista]

Yeah that is for sure. Anyways, didn't Lohan lose her looks some time after Mean Girls?
she got all eating disordery for a while there but she's back now
jessica alba's hotter
if you're into that sort thing > >

[pedro durruti]

Celebrities always fall short of the beauty you see in reality.

[PerpetualBurn]

Regina Spektor.