PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[Dr Hooch]

Any one of these days, I'm going to make a 'sociology of a forum' thread here, where we explore how the microsociety that is a forum operates and functions. I'm particularly interested in online arguments/disputes, behavioural tendencies, power (through symbolism), and various other interesting crap.

That's right bitches, society controls you. Anyone here study sociology (I ish in first year, but have had a pet interest since I was a wee boy)?

nah I study real sciences





~=BURNSAUCE


;) just messing with you

[pedro durruti]

Yeah bro sociology is great.

[badtaste]

nah I study real sciences





~=BURNSAUCE


;) just messing with you

:angry: ROOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: What are you studying? Rocks? Lemons? Ducks?

Peace doctor.

Yeah bro sociology is great.

Go team. I ish going to sleep.

[The_Passenger]

That's right bitches, society controls you. Anyone here study sociology (I ish in first year, but have had a pet interest since I was a wee boy)?

I used to do A-Level sociology but I switched to Maths after about a month. Best desicion I ever made.

Not that sociology was bad as such, but I just didn't see how I would put it to any use (and maths is far more relevant to my other subjects).

[coheneran]

Yeah, no worries. I am very aware of those things and sorta hinted at it. I just think we should put on a cap on all ridiculously rich people's spending habits. Kabillionaires aren't going to die without their vintage cars, or hundreds of designer shoes, or gold plated swimming pools, etc...

And yes, we don't have a right to tell anyone what to spend their money on. It should just be commonsense not to waste your money on gold plated swimming pools.

Moon trips... meh. Memories only last until your death.

We only have as much rights as we give ourselves, because rights are not grounded in objectivity. So I can give myself the right to tell someone what to spend their money. Hell, parents and the state do it all the time, "Don't spend your money on comic books/drugs or we'll ground you/put you in prison."

nah I study real sciences

What you "study" is nothing more than glorified mathematics.

[The_Passenger]

What you "study" is nothing more than glorified mathematics.

Why the " " around 'study'?

[coheneran]

Ah I'm just teasing him.:p

[The_Passenger]

Ah I see. Silly me I thought you were being serious for a moment.

[coheneran]

We hates treacherous mathses, don't we precious?

*Speaks to Catcher In The Rye*



EDIT: Lol I love these super-cynical articles people post on indy sometimes: http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/03/366075.html

[RockAndRoll]

What you "study" is nothing more than glorified mathematics.

lulz! You don't even understand the scientific method, newb.

[Mr. Ron]

So I basically forgot about a Macroeconomics paper thats due tomorrow. Give me some ideas for macroeconomics issues facing America. Nothing complicated, just something to bang out a 5 pager on. Plllzzzzzzzzzzz

[lfantwister]

ummm healthcare

only because I broke my toe

[Dr Hooch]

What you "study" is nothing more than glorified mathematics.

At least I can't pass my subject simply by learning the textbook glossary and having opinions OMGPWNT



Also the " around study are totally conceeded; I pass a fair chunk of the work in my 4 subjects through algebra skills alone.

[badtaste]

I used to do A-Level sociology but I switched to Maths after about a month. Best desicion I ever made.

Not that sociology was bad as such, but I just didn't see how I would put it to any use (and maths is far more relevant to my other subjects).

Yah, fair enough. I'm doing commerce/arts right now, so I see the commerce side as the 'Make me a millionaire please' component, while psych and sociology are more for knowledge and understanding (psych may take me to a career, if the interest is there)

We only have as much rights as we give ourselves, because rights are not grounded in objectivity. So I can give myself the right to tell someone what to spend their money. Hell, parents and the state do it all the time, "Don't spend your money on comic books/drugs or we'll ground you/put you in prison."


So moon trips are a no-no, right? Comparing comic books and drugs is a bit of stretch, yah?

[coheneran]

So moon trips are a no-no, right? Comparing comic books and drugs is a bit of stretch, yah?

It warn't no comparison bro', I'z makin' a point.

[badtaste]

It warn't no comparison bro', I'z makin' a point.

Mofo, don't start me, or elsh wee'z take-ing this outside.

Fair enough. Moon trips are still a no-no though.

[coheneran]

Hellz yeah nigga'. No cracka' *** millionaire's gonna be takin' some goddamn space ship up ta tha moon while brothas are stuck shootin' it out in the projects.

[pedro durruti]

Shut the hell up you ******s

[Dr Hooch]

Hellz yeah nigga'. No cracka' *** millionaire's gonna be takin' some goddamn space ship up ta tha moon while brothas are stuck shootin' it out in the projects.

dem boyz in the h00d be buyin dem gunz tho man

u g0tz to make th3m buy EDUCAYSHUNS instead of 9 MILLION METRES

[Dr Hooch]

omg coheneran you'll love this

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=092_1172432291

[coheneran]

Hahaha that's great.

[Dr Hooch]

Hahaha that's great.

The voice doesn't tell you that the marine forgot to put the safety on his gun before giving it to the child to use as a baseball bat

[coheneran]

Lol, you speak Hebrew?

Apparantly HaMifkad HaLeumi (the organisation who did the advert) isn't actually that great. They're leftie Zionists who say we should go back to the 1967 borders, and they're very very very rich. Made up of retired generals and whatnot. Basically lobbying, all they do is collect signatures.

[PerpetualBurn]

New 65 Days Of Static album got leaked!

I don't reckon it's as good as the first albums, but it's well worth a crack.

[coheneran]

Yorkshireans listen to obscure bands.

/fixd

[PerpetualBurn]

They released their first album in 2004.

[Dr Hooch]

Lol, you speak Hebrew?


um you don't read subtitles? ;)

I didn't realise it was a jew-vert; it's not so cool any more :(

[Iskandar]

That was a cool video.

I tried to read the Arabic subtitles but couldn't:angry:

I'll never learn it, might as well give up.:(

[pedro durruti]

Dropper... be all you can be.

[Iskandar]

Dropper... be all you can be.I just had a great mental image of myself in the US Marine Corps.

[coheneran]

All I can think of is jigglypuff with full camo and an assault rifle instead of a mic.

[Iskandar]

All I can think of is jigglypuff with full camo and an assault rifle instead of a mic.That's even better!

Man, I love Jigglypuff.

[badtaste]

You people aware that Aussie born 'terrorist' (or is it assistant of terror), David Hicks, has finally entered the courtroom after five or so years in Guantanmo Bay?


Australia represent!

[SippyCup]

He's Toast. They are gonna make an example out of him, just because he got caught, while I am sure dozens of others go unpunished for the same deeds.

[Smokey D]

He pleaded guilty to providing material support to terrorism and will probably serve the remainder of his sentence in Australia, starting sometime later this year.

[badtaste]

Only reason why he pleaded guilty is to probably get the hell out of there.

BTW, I'm taking a long break from this site, and it's been good chatting with you guys (though only for a little while).

Smokey D, do you have banning powers? If so, could you do so, but not just yet?

[PerpetualBurn]

Why would you want to be banned? Just stop posting.

[SippyCup]

Why would you want to be banned? Just stop posting.

Take Care BadTaste, I don't really know you , but you seem pretty cool.

Mx is like heroin, could you just STOP posting COLD TURKEY? PB

[PerpetualBurn]

Yes.

But don't worry. I'm here for a good while longer.

[Dr Hooch]

Yes.

But don't worry. I'm here for a good while longer.

"I-I could stop any time i wanted to!"

[PerpetualBurn]

The druggies ruined that statement for the people that mean it.

[coheneran]

He's Toast. They are gonna make an example out of him, just because he got caught, while I am sure dozens of others go unpunished for the same deeds.

Mosama Bin Larden anyone?

He pleaded guilty to providing material support to terrorism and will probably serve the remainder of his sentence in Australia, starting sometime later this year.

Keep in mind he was detained in Gitmo for five years, and they don't have much of a reputation for fair and equal interrogation.

Why would you want to be banned? Just stop posting.

Hell yeah, that's what I do. These damn mental weaklings don't got nothing on me.

I used to experiment in self-control and discipline to test the idea of being able to achieve anything if I put my mind to it. I once stood on one leg for two hours in the middle of my room. It backed the theory, and was a huge waste of my time.:p

The druggies ruined that statement for the people that mean it.

Web users?

[pedro durruti]

It's weird (unlikely) when you are thinking of listening to a band, and then that very band is the next to come up on your playlist of 5284 songs, 16 of which belong to that band.

[coheneran]

I get that sometimes.

Well, I did, until I stopped listening to all my music on one playlist.

[pedro durruti]

I have two playlists you slut

[coheneran]

:lol:

Slut. That's what your mum likes me calling her when I'm giving it to her from behind.

[Mr. Ron]

So a policemen stopped me and my friend's today walking down the road and questioned us. Apparently we fit the profile for drug dealers, because we had beards...

[pedro durruti]

And rightly so. Where else would smugglers keep the products?

[Mr. Ron]

Well....I could tell you but....well I'm embarrassed. :upset:

[coheneran]

So a policemen stopped me and my friend's today walking down the road and questioned us. Apparently we fit the profile for drug dealers, because we had beards...

FRIENDS YOU IMBECILE! FRIENDS! NOT FRIEND'S! ARGGGODAMNIT!

Sorry.:)

[PerpetualBurn]

No, no, no.

It was the today belonging to his friend that got stopped.

[coheneran]

I see. What about their today? Was that bearded?

[PerpetualBurn]

Obviously.

[coheneran]

How strange.

Andy, have you discovered Apparat yet?

[Mr. Ron]

OH DEAR GOD I SCREWED UP THE RULES OF POSSESSION. :p

[italic zero]

coheneran is supposed to be opposed to those

[coheneran]

Damn right. Its so annoying when my friend's do **** like this <<<<<<.

[pedro durruti]

I'm really a girl.

[Iskandar]

I'm really a girl.really?

i'm male

[pedro durruti]

Haha, no, I don't think one girl posts here really.

Does anyone know any good films with class struggle as a main theme?

[coheneran]

lfantwister is a girl.

As for films, try Can Dialectic Break Bricks (you'll love it), Bread And Roses, Y Mama Tambien (although that's in a much subtler and sometimes roundabout way), Like Water For Chocolate (if the film's anything like the book). That's all I can think of for now.

[Dr Hooch]

Any films with class struggle as a main theme but sympathetic to the struggles of conscience vs comfort of those noble pillars that are the middle classes?

[coheneran]

Y Mama Tambien.

The woman came from a poor working class history, married into a wealthy family, and her trip with the two spoiled rich boys explores their inner conflict by comparing their experiences of life with hers and that of working class Mexico, which is talked about and shown throughout the film.

[Der Übermensch]

Any films with class struggle as a main theme but sympathetic to the struggles of conscience vs comfort of those noble pillars that are the middle classes?

Land and Freedom

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

that was a **** film

[lfantwister]

y tu mama tambien is so ****ing good

[lfantwister]

do any of you go to tufts, or any other college i may have gotten into, and do you like it

sorry for the double post.

[Der Übermensch]

Where else did you get in...?

[lfantwister]

GW! do you like it?

[Der Übermensch]

Yeah. It's pretty awsome. I'm not a big fan of cities, but DC is a nice one as far as they go...
I'd advise accepting... as long as you get financial aid.... sooo ****ing expensive.

[lfantwister]

yeah i got the same financial aid everywhere I applied but i got 15000 in merit scholarships at USC. I don't want to stay in LA but i'm easily bought

[Der Übermensch]

thats 15,000 better then I got :p

...What you looking into for a major?

[lfantwister]

probably philosohpy/poli sci

maybe minor in classics or art if i go to schools that have good programs for those

[Der Übermensch]

Heh, exactly what I'm in for...

If your looking for Poli Sci, you really couldn't pick better then GW.
I don't know anything about the classics department, or the art program though.

[lfantwister]

yeah thats probably if i get in to my waitlisted school (not gonna jinx it!)

they have a good philosophy dept too?

[Der Übermensch]

It's pretty good. I've already taken a few classes, and found them to be pretty good.

[PerpetualBurn]

It's all about studying Philosophy and Politics.

[griftadan]

it goes along great with my plan of being a trophy husband.

[lfantwister]

just what i need

i didnt intend for that to sound as creepy as it does. really.

[Der Übermensch]

Other then Tufts an GW, where have you applied/been accepted?

[lfantwister]

USC, w/l at columbia, american (ha), some UCs, NYU

[Der Übermensch]

I would never go to school in NY... icky place.

American would have been where I applied if I didnt get into GW. Campus is ugly as hell though :-\

[lfantwister]

yeah not gonna go there
it's probably USC because it's cheapest, although i would like to go to boston.

[Der Übermensch]

Boston is a pretty gross city too...

GW is obviously where you should choose.

[Mr. Ron]

I would never go to school in NY... icky place.

American would have been where I applied if I didnt get into GW. Campus is ugly as hell though :-\

:angry:

[Der Übermensch]

You like NY... or AU...?

[Mr. Ron]

Oh, I thought you mean NY state as a whole.

[Smokey D]

I would never go to school in NY... icky place.

American would have been where I applied if I didnt get into GW. Campus is ugly as hell though :-\

Why don't you like cities man?

[Der Übermensch]

A lot of them literally smell... Boston is the worst offender in that respect. Most are dirty. And I also hate the feeling of walking between really tall buildings.

Thats why I like DC. No skyscrapers, its clean (as long as your in NW at least), and doesn't smell like someone forgot to put the manhole covers on...

I also love Old Quebec City... if there was an English speaking school there, I would have gone there instead.

[Mr. Ron]

I honestly never smelled anything bad (or THAT bad) in Boston or NYC.

[HazMatBlue]

I thought DC was pretty dirty, NYC is much cleaner

[Der Übermensch]

South DC maybe, but no one goes there (unless they want to get shot).
NW/Georgetown is wonderful.

[griftadan]

i would have loved to go to either GW or the University of Chicago but it was too much money. a liberal arts major is a liberal arts major in the long run.

[coheneran]

A lot of them literally smell... Boston is the worst offender in that respect. Most are dirty. And I also hate the feeling of walking between really tall buildings.

Thats why I like DC. No skyscrapers, its clean (as long as your in NW at least), and doesn't smell like someone forgot to put the manhole covers on...

I also love Old Quebec City... if there was an English speaking school there, I would have gone there instead.

You fail to realise that urban warfare is where it's at, and cities are the easiest thing to defend. But do not worry, there will be no unpleasant scents after the revolution, only the cow dung-like smell of freedom.:p

i would have loved to go to either GW or the University of Chicago but it was too much money. a liberal arts major is a liberal arts major in the long run.

I've always wondered what liberal arts actually entails, and how it's different from other art forms. Also, is there any such thing as conservative arts?

[Hababi]

A lot of them literally smell... Boston is the worst offender in that respect. Most are dirty. And I also hate the feeling of walking between really tall buildings.


At the same time though you have all the perks. The restaurants, the nightlife (if you enjoy that; I don't), the museums, concerts, etc. I haven't been to DC in a few years, but from what I remember, it wasn't as easy to enjoy as other cities. Because there's no middle class, you get a lot of super expensive restaurants and then all the crappy chains. YDload should know better than me, though.

South DC maybe, but no one goes there (unless they want to get shot).
NW/Georgetown is wonderful.

I ended up in the outskirts of there once. Ugh scary place.

[Der Übermensch]

Yeah, I 've only been a few blocks in before... it's pretty horrid...

[coheneran]

London's pretty good, insofar as smells go. Mind out for some of those alleys in Whitechapel though, they stink like all hell of alcoholy piss.

[griftadan]

I've always wondered what liberal arts actually entails, and how it's different from other art forms. Also, is there any such thing as conservative arts?

no it's mainly social sciences such as political science, history, economics, and philosphy... basically the stuff that can't be classified in other sicences. doesn't have anything to do with the political definition of liberal.

[pedro durruti]

You know what's a really nice city? Portland! Oregon, that is, no offense Das, if you take any, but I don't think the Maine one is as good. Although I've never been there before, so that's a silly thing to say, but the Portland that I'm from is amazing. It's small, very clean, not smelly, and it has a pretty big radical left and... "alternative" ... scene, so lots of very cool coffee shops and whatnot, if you're into that.

[coheneran]

Oh God, Portland Oregon sounds awful! The worst environment you could possibly be in as an activist is the sort where it's turned into a scene. A scene is so utterly fashion-led and peer-pressure based that those "aware and enlightened" individuals making up the scene only hold recycled and re-adjectived opinions on anything, are too scared to voice a critical opinion and too caught up in their internal hierarchies.

/stoned rant

Sorry.:)

[Der Übermensch]

You know what's a really nice city? Portland! Oregon, that is, no offense Das, if you take any, but I don't think the Maine one is as good. Although I've never been there before, so that's a silly thing to say, but the Portland that I'm from is amazing. It's small, very clean, not smelly, and it has a pretty big radical left and... "alternative" ... scene, so lots of very cool coffee shops and whatnot, if you're into that.

Non taken, Portland is pretty icky too if you go outside the Old Port area. I hate going there.

Never been to Oregon, but I have been to Seattle... it was ok... Victoria, Canada was nicer though.

[pedro durruti]

Oh God, Portland Oregon sounds awful! The worst environment you could possibly be in as an activist is the sort where it's turned into a scene. A scene is so utterly fashion-led and peer-pressure based that those "aware and enlightened" individuals making up the scene only hold recycled and re-adjectived opinions on anything, are too scared to voice a critical opinion and too caught up in their internal hierarchies.

/stoned rant

Sorry.:)
Uh, I didn't mean it like that, stoner

[coheneran]

Maybe you should use the dictionary more often then.:p

[Iscariot]

You know what's a really nice city? Portland! Oregon, that is, no offense Das, if you take any, but I don't think the Maine one is as good. Although I've never been there before, so that's a silly thing to say, but the Portland that I'm from is amazing. It's small, very clean, not smelly, and it has a pretty big radical left and... "alternative" ... scene, so lots of very cool coffee shops and whatnot, if you're into that.

i can vouch for this since i live here

portland, or is the city of the gods

my old band played at the paris theater in downtown portland a couple years ago and made it on the best of '05 list for a comeback show this town is so inviting to musicians

[Smokey D]

I haven't been to any American cities excpet LA for like 2 hours (I didn't like that. It was hot and grimy), but London and Paris are so much fun. I don't remember bad smells, either, but I'm only ever there in winter.

[Iskandar]

Toronto is so awesome, the most cosmopolitan city in the world. But Boston's nice.

[pedro durruti]

I was just in Boston for the first time, and I really liked it. Its downtown center is so 18th century... hehehe

[italic zero]

Boston is nice if you're not driving
Maybe you should use the dictionary more often then.
is this intentional irony

[pedro durruti]

They seemed to be nice to pedestrians, but when I rode in a cab the driver told us that they get crazy.

[Der Übermensch]

Hehe, veeeery true. Damn Ma-ssholes

[italic zero]

it's not their fault; they're shaped by their hellish driving environment

[Iskandar]

I was on a Greyhound in downtown Boston and the driver actually took a three-point turn and found a parking spot. I was amazed.

Neat spots in Boston:

Museum of Fine Arts
Harvard
Boston Harbour
Boston Aquarium
That neighbour near downtown that's like Little Italy

Well, I honestly forget all the places I went but those were cool.

[Hababi]

If it weren't so cold, Toronto would basically be the perfect city.

[Iskandar]

If it weren't so cold, Toronto would basically be the perfect city.It is certainly very cold in the winter, but that's southern Ontario (where I live!). It's very cold in the winter, baking hot in the summer and just dismal and grey the rest of the time.

[Hababi]

It is certainly very cold in the winter, but that's southern Ontario (where I live!). It's very cold in the winter, baking hot in the summer and just dismal and grey the rest of the time.

Haha. Yeah, so I revise: If it weren't for the weather in general, Toronto would be ideal. If Toronto sat down on Vancouver Island, I'd be there to live in it.

[Iskandar]

Haha. Yeah, so I revise: If it weren't for the weather in general, Toronto would be ideal. If Toronto sat down on Vancouver Island, I'd be there to live in it.You'd live in Canada? I thought we were a bunch of crazy commies living on an ice shelf.

[Hababi]

You'd live in Canada? I thought we were a bunch of crazy commies living on an ice shelf.

Well you are, but for the culture and cuisine of Toronto, it's worth it.

[Iskandar]

Well you are, but for the culture and cuisine of Toronto, it's worth it.Canada > America and that is an objective fact. Our standard of living is simple higher, our social programs superior and we're not stuck in the most volatile country in the Middle East.:o

[Hababi]

Canada > America and that is an objective fact. Our standard of living is simple higher, our social programs superior and we're not stuck in the most volatile country in the Middle East.:o

You're forgetting some things though:
1) Your health care system is the how NOT to guide in terms of national health care
2) Your weather sucks, outside of Vancouver
3) Your overall crime rate is higher than America
4) Your weather really sucks, for the most part
5) Cinematically, you're the lame bastard child of America and England

[Iscariot]

and canada spits out crappy musicians like a broken vending machine

[Iskandar]

You're forgetting some things though:
1) Your health care system is the how NOT to guide in terms of national health care
2) Your weather sucks, outside of Vancouver
3) Your overall crime rate is higher than America
4) Your weather really sucks, for the most part
5) Cinematically, you're the lame bastard child of America and England
1) Take it from someone who lives here, it's miles ahead of America's.
2) In the south (where everybody lives except the Inuit and a few crazies) it's pretty much the same as where you live.
3) Not significantly.
4) Refer to #2.
5) So what? Foreign film is cheap and accessible.:)

[Hababi]

1) Take it from someone who lives here, it's miles ahead of America's.

Maybe compared to being uninsured in America. Other than that though.


2) In the south (where everybody lives except the Inuit and a few crazies) it's pretty much the same as where you live.

Mmmk remind me how cold it gets in Edmonton :D

Your weather is like our really crappy weather in Wisconsin and the Dakotas, only worse.


3) Not significantly.

No not significantly but outside of Toronto, your bigger cities are actually less safe than a lot of American bigger cities (excluding Detroit).


5) So what? Foreign film is cheap and accessible.:)

Yeah but y'all should stop sucking off the foreign teet and develope your own industry.

[Iskandar]

Maybe compared to being uninsured in America. Other than that though.Trust me, you'll hear a lot of bitching in the editorials but our health care is fine.
Mmmk remind me how cold it gets in Edmonton :D

Your weather is like our really crappy weather in Wisconsin and the Dakotas, only worse.I live in Ontario, not Edmonton. The weather in southern Ontario is no colder than where you live.
Yeah but y'all should stop sucking off the foreign teet and develope your own industry.I blame American cultural imperialism for that. We try to protect domestic arts but you always end up overwhelming everything we do.

[Iscariot]

that's simply because we do it better

and your health care really is garbage

it's free sure but with that $0 down payment comes the possibility of scheduling an appointment that won't be filled for several months

at least when we go to the doctor we actually see a physician on the first trip

[Dr Hooch]

and canada spits out crappy musicians like a broken vending machine

Um yeah but then there's the whole Montreal post-rock scene and that is like the BEST




So basically

who in canada fancies flying me over



(I might well come over after i have my degree, to see if i can find some phd/research post or somehting)

[spitfirejunky]

that's simply because we do it better

and your health care really is garbage

it's free sure but with that $0 down payment comes the possibility of scheduling an appointment that won't be filled for several months

at least when we go to the doctor we actually see a physician on the first trip

What the hell do you think they see on the first trip then? :confused:

And no, Canada doesn't have ridiculous queues.

Um yeah but then there's the whole Montreal post-rock scene and that is like the BEST

The Montreal music scene is terrible. :(

[coheneran]

Boston is nice if you're not driving

is this intentional irony

Umm...yes?

> >
< <

The Montreal music scene is terrible. :(

But Canadian ska is out-of-this-world gorgeous.

[Hababi]

But Canadian ska is out-of-this-world gorgeous.

I don't think there is such a thing as gorgeous ska -_-

[coheneran]

I agree with Zero, Canadian Skrewdriver coverbands are also very good.

[coheneran]

LOL:

"I always disliked pledging allegiance to the flag. It was so tedious and sillyass. I always felt more like pledging allegiance to myself, but there we were and we stood up and ran through it. Then, afterwards, the little pause, and everybody sitting down feeling as if they had been slightly molested."

[HazMatBlue]

whats more interesting is the "allegiance to black people" that gets said in some detroit schools.

[coheneran]

Lol. From the same book:

"And it was five dollars upstairs and she washed me off first, and then later. She washed me off out of a little white bowl that had painted baby chickens chasing each other around the bowl. She made the same money in ten minutes that I had made in a day with some hours thrown in. Monetarily speaking, it seemed sure as **** you were better off having a pussy than a ****."

[RockAndRoll]

3) Your overall crime rate is higher than America


Where'd you get that stat? Because nothing of what I've seen (which, admittedly, isn't libraries worth) has suggested that. Furthermore referring specifically to violent crimes everything I've read seems to suggest that the american rates are significantly higher.

stuff like this is what I've generally found:
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/011218/d011218b.htm

[Hababi]

Where'd you get that stat? Because nothing of what I've seen (which, admittedly, isn't libraries worth) has suggested that. Furthermore referring specifically to violent crimes everything I've read seems to suggest that the american rates are significantly higher.

stuff like this is what I've generally found:
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/011218/d011218b.htm

ICVS.

[Iskandar]

Mmm, Canada. Not as nice as the Netherlands though.

[coheneran]

London is best if you have a hoodie.

[Iskandar]

London is best if you have a hoodie.Why a hoodie?

[coheneran]

CCTV cameras make me uncomfortable, plus it makes you look less conspicuous.

[Volumnius Flush]

Found this and thought it was funny:

http://www.fabrica.it/flipbook/flipbook_player.php?id=1122010818-6810782176

[coheneran]

Yeah, "found" it?

[Volumnius Flush]

Yeah, "found" it?

I searched my username on Yahoo and it was one of the search results.

I guess you could say I'm a bit of an egoist and have control issues.

[Iskandar]

CCTV cameras make me uncomfortable, plus it makes you look less conspicuous.Eww, are there really surveillance cameras there? My city has like four in the town square and one at the bus terminal, and that's five too many for me.

[Mr. Ron]

Whoooooo I'm d/l King's Quest 1-6 on bit torrent right now. I can't wait.

[coheneran]

Dude, in some parts of the city there're cameras on every street corner (specifically, Whitehall and Aldgate/Bank/Tower Hill areas. The former is the governmental district and the latter is the economic/banking), and you can't go on buses or the underground train without being caught on CCTV. It's a pretty common fact here that the average Londoner gets seen on CCTV 6000 times a week in London.

[Iskandar]

Dude, in some parts of the city there're cameras on every street corner (specifically, Whitehall and Aldgate/Bank/Tower Hill areas. The former is the governmental district and the latter is the economic/banking), and you can't go on buses or the underground train without being caught on CCTV. It's a pretty common fact here that the average Londoner gets seen on CCTV 6000 times a week in London.That's so horrific that it makes me want to write a dystopian novel about it.

[Mr. Ron]

Isn't there one camera for every 3 people in the UK?


I'm watching Children of men right now, kind of reminds me of this.

[coheneran]

If it keeps going so well in the UK, I think the policy will be exported to the rest of the world. I have a hunch that they'll wait 'til after the Olympics to declare the social surveillance project a success. The Olympics is gonna be incredible in terms of domestic policy and social rebellion.

[coheneran]

Isn't there one camera for every 3 people in the UK?

I think that's only feasible if it includes home-camera systems and cameras inside businesses. Public street-cameras on the other hand, I don't know.

[Iskandar]

CCTV cameras make me want to pull out a silenced pistol and destroy the lens of them, like in Goldeneye 007.

[coheneran]

Lol, that's him shooting into the barrel of a gun you *** Alex.

[Iskandar]

Lol, that's him shooting into the barrel of a gun you *** Alex.Noo... I mean the video game for Nintendo 64. I know my Bond stuff.

[pedro durruti]

Hoy, voy a aprender español. Y yo tengo ya.

Eventually, I hope to reach the point where I can think just as well in Spanish as I can in English.

[PerpetualBurn]

Amir Khan just destroyed another shoddy fighter.

When are they going to give him a real fight?

[pedro durruti]

I don't know man, but I want to visit England so bad

[PerpetualBurn]

Calzaghe just murdered the guy.

I'm disappointed. Neither of the matches has even been a contest.

[pedro durruti]

What do you find entertaining in boxing?

[PerpetualBurn]

The technique, the physical battle, the effort and exertion by the fighters. It's a very tough and demanding sport, but also very technical. What's not to like?

[pedro durruti]

Everything but the bodily admiration. Fighting seems too repetitive a sport, and it's just two guys going at each other.

[PerpetualBurn]

You could accuse any sport of being repetitive if you think of boxing like that. There's a lot more to boxing than just fighting.

[pedro durruti]

Fighting is the primary aspect of boxing for me though, I mean when I see it I don't think of how well the boxer can endure, I just see two guys punching each other. Actually, I've never really watched boxing except in my friend's garage and in crappy movies, but I don't think I enjoy it as a sport.

[PerpetualBurn]

You can reduce any sport to such a basic thing, but it's the subtleties you pick up when you've either played or watched a sport enough that make it enjoyable. It's the excitement and the tension. Like I say, boxing can be a very raw sport in the trying to knock out an opponent, but it's also very technical in the poise, the precision of the punching, the building of combinations, the footwork and movement. The tactical element of whether to snipe an opponent and take him the distance to win on rounds, to dive in to knock them off their feet early, or to wear them out and play for the big punch.

You can reduce any sport to "just kicking a ball round a field" or "whacking a ball with a stick", but that just ignores the greater complexities of the game.

[pedro durruti]

Yeah, but I haven't paid to attention to that when I've watched it, and so you can see why it may not appear so interesting to me.

I meant more in the sense that there are only two people in a ring rather than a group of people with numerous props in an arena.

[PerpetualBurn]

Meh. There's just a lot to like about boxing. I think I appreciate it more since I loved the competition fighting I did back in my Karate days. I was always more of a hand fighter than anything.

[Iskandar]

Hoy, voy a aprender español. Y yo tengo ya.

Eventually, I hope to reach the point where I can think just as well in Spanish as I can in English.Interesting. Why Spanish? Besides the fact that hundreds of millions of people speak it, I mean.

[pedro durruti]

A number of reasons Dropper, my comrade. I already have a decent understanding of the language since I took it for three years in high school, which I chose because it was easy to learn with English as a first language. I also want to pick it up because, perhaps, I'd like to live in Europe, and quite possibly Spain.

It's also a pretty language.

[TojesDolan]

Holy crap, batman. I've been studying English for 14 years and still hold a very minimal knowledge of the language, compared to native-speakers.

[pedro durruti]

What do you mean? In 'decent understanding' I meant I know how sentences are generally structured, masculine vs. feminine, etc. Spanish is a fairly easy language.

[TojesDolan]

Yeah in general, but I don't know about you but I don't think basic grammar and a fairly balanced accent and pronunciation are just good enough. As soon as you can digest and understand a book written originally for a certain language, I think you are ready to say "I'm on it".

Although many people think it's better quantity than quality, but I'd prefer to master a second language before going to a new one. I'm considering german but I don't know. It might take a while.

[Iskandar]

A number of reasons Dropper, my comrade. I already have a decent understanding of the language since I took it for three years in high school, which I chose because it was easy to learn with English as a first language. I also want to pick it up because, perhaps, I'd like to live in Europe, and quite possibly Spain.

It's also a pretty language.Awesome. I hope your quest to master it goes well. I feel the same about Swedish.

[pedro durruti]

Do you want to live there, where the Swedish is spoken? Ha ha

[Iskandar]

Do you want to live there, where the Swedish is spoken? Ha haAt the very least I want to visit it and scope it out. Maybe I'll return with a suitcase full of herring, snapps and Scandanavian women.

Yeah, Swedish isn't much use outside of Sweden (it's a minority language in Finland which happens to be right next door but that's it). Same goes for Spanish: it's not really useful for any other country in Europe.

[pedro durruti]

Aye, but perhaps if I'm brave enough, I can pick up French too, or maybe one of the more obscure languages spoken in Spain?

[Iskandar]

Aye, but perhaps if I'm brave enough, I can pick up French too, or maybe one of the more obscure languages spoken in Spain?Yeah, I can decode some French. Took it for eight years ... you'd think I'd be at least fluent by now. It's related to Spanish and shares a lot of vocabulary in common with English, so it'd be a breeze for you.

Let's call the other languages in Spain (Catalan, Basque etc.) "marginalized" rather than obscure. You could probably pick them up; Catalan in particular is very similar to Castillian Spanish.

[TojesDolan]

I like it that spanish people curse a lot. I could learn a thing or two about it.

[AxeShredder49]

how come humans and dolphins are the only ones who have sex for pleasure is it all part of Darwin's plan or what

[PerpetualBurn]

I've always been envious of people that are truly bilingual. It's such a great thing to have.

I do reckon that the best way to improve a language is to actually live in that country once you know enough to get by. I have a few foreign friends at Uni, two German lads that I live with both struggled to understand certain accents and a lot of colloquial phrases but improved massively in a short space of time by being forced to live in a place where they were constantly hearing new phrases.

I found it surprising the things I said without thinking that they found difficult. Like I onced asked "Are you off out?" and it completely threw one of them.

I also know a girl who went to France to work as an Au Pair for a year while she studied the language at a nearby college and got a similar story from her. She started out struggling and then before she knew it she was thinking in French without any conscious effort.

[Dr Hooch]

how come humans and dolphins are the only ones who have sex for pleasure is it all part of Darwin's plan or what

Those are like the 2 smartest species

so

£££

[pedro durruti]

I found it surprising the things I said without thinking that they found difficult. Like I onced asked "Are you off out?" and it completely threw one of them.
Wait, so what does that mean?

[coheneran]

how come humans and dolphins are the only ones who have sex for pleasure is it all part of Darwin's plan or what

It's because once a species has reached the stage where survival is easy, such as being on top of the food chain, the individuals comprising that species can begin to enjoy life's complexities; philosophy, spaghetti, tree-houses, radicalism, oral and anal sex, the internet.

Those are like the 2 smartest species

so

£££

Are you suggesting we prostitute dolphins?

[PerpetualBurn]

Wait, so what does that mean?

"Are you going out?"

Maybe it's a regional thing, but I've never had anyone not understand me before.

[Der Übermensch]

I've always been envious of people that are truly bilingual. It's such a great thing to have.

I do reckon that the best way to improve a language is to actually live in that country once you know enough to get by. I have a few foreign friends at Uni, two German lads that I live with both struggled to understand certain accents and a lot of colloquial phrases but improved massively in a short space of time by being forced to live in a place where they were constantly hearing new phrases.

I found it surprising the things I said without thinking that they found difficult. Like I onced asked "Are you off out?" and it completely threw one of them.

I also know a girl who went to France to work as an Au Pair for a year while she studied the language at a nearby college and got a similar story from her. She started out struggling and then before she knew it she was thinking in French without any conscious effort.

It's much easier to learn that way then in a class... why?
With a class its like "I shooould study, but I'd rather go to that party".
With immersion its like " I reeeaaally need to ask where the ****ing bathroom is".

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

language teaching in the uk tends to be ****, unless you go to private school. and latin is rarely on offer, let alone greek.

[coheneran]

Why would you wanna learn to speak a dead language? I can understand wanting to read it, there's some amazing poetry in Latin, but not speak. Who would you speak to?

I really want to learn more languages, but I think I'm terrible at picking up new languages. Although to be honest I haven't really tried very hard, and I learned English by immersion, so maybe I just need to stop being lazy.

[Der Übermensch]

Because if you know Latin its about 10 times easier to learn any romance language.
Greek is pointless though... wasted year of my life (although I can use it in arguments about New Testement writings, but thats it).

[PerpetualBurn]

language teaching in the uk tends to be ****, unless you go to private school. and latin is rarely on offer, let alone greek.

This is very true. I didn't start learning a second language until 12/13, and even then it was anything but intensive. I did Spanish and German up to GCSE, did well in both, and can now remember nothing but a few choice German words.

[HazMatBlue]

I've been wanting to learn greek as i'm pretty interested in theology and christian church history but for now i'm just doing the Deutsch

[lfantwister]

took latin for 7 ****ing years and still can't decipher it. although i did pass the class, and that's all that counts.

[griftadan]

i know a little spanish which was improved by working with 3 mexican cooks over the summer.... i can get by. i really want to learn french or german so i can finally go to europe and not be worthless.

[PerpetualBurn]

In fairness though, if you speak English you can get by in most of Europe.

[lfantwister]

thats because money speaks english

[griftadan]

this is all completely theoretical as i don't actaully have any money

[lfantwister]

yeah so tuition at tufts is 36,500 +10,100 room and board

!!!

[griftadan]

$10,000 wtf? do they give you a butler or something?

[coheneran]

thats because money speaks english

Mhm. Before Ireland underwent forced Anglicisation most of the hedgeschools taught Latin, Greek, German, the classical languages, but not many taught English because it was only useful for trading and most of the people were subsistence farmers. Only the bigtime traders along the coasts spoke English, mostly.

[PerpetualBurn]

Idiots.

Learning dead languages before English was why we had to sort those drunk leprechauns out.

[coheneran]

Lawl.

[Volumnius Flush]

Yeah, "found" it?

Are you insinuating that I created it myself?

[lfantwister]

$10,000 wtf? do they give you a butler or something?
yeah. jenkins to wait on you, and the boating club frat boys to open your doors.
actually i have no idea why it's so expensive. It's not even in a city.

[griftadan]

you can get a nice apartment without roomates by yourself for less than that for 10 months. i'm only paying like $4000 for a years lease in kansas in a great area by campus, sure as hell going to beat a dorm.

plus living in dorms universally sucks, although it's good for meeting people.

[lfantwister]

but kansas is cheaper than boston. still, it's worth a try
i'll check out prices when i go

[Der Übermensch]

yeah. jenkins to wait on you, and the boating club frat boys to open your doors.
actually i have no idea why it's so expensive. It's not even in a city.

We don't have a butler, but we do have a maid here :-p

[griftadan]

but kansas is cheaper than boston. still, it's worth a try
i'll check out prices when i go

oh i didn't know where it was. i'd still be surprised if you couldn't find something well under 10 grand for a year's lease.

[Iskandar]

Learning dead languages before EnglishGreek and German are hardly dead languages.

[lfantwister]

We don't have a butler, but we do have a maid here :-p
where?

[Der Übermensch]

All Freshman dorms have maid service once a week

Greek and German are hardly dead languages.
Homeric Greek is, and thats all I know...

[PerpetualBurn]

Greek and German are hardly dead languages.

I had presumed that he was referring to ancient Greek since he put it alongside Latin.

[Dr Hooch]

plus living in dorms universally sucks, although it's good for meeting people.

I think the UK system where the first year is in a dorm to settle in and make friends and the rest is in houses sounds about right

[PerpetualBurn]

It is a reasonable system. And being in Halls is awesome. The only downside for me was I had to share a room for the first 3 weeks, but then I hardly spent any time in my room in those weeks any way.

[Dr Hooch]

It is a reasonable system. And being in Halls is awesome. The only downside for me was I had to share a room for the first 3 weeks, but then I hardly spent any time in my room in those weeks any way.

I don't think there's much sharing in bristol. I don't really fancy it.

I haven't got any good reasons against it tbqh (other than those 3AM BF2 games), but it'd just be weird.

Like, what if you get stuck with LittlePound?

[PerpetualBurn]

Basically, it was just sharing early on to make sure everyone has accomodation, and since all unis have an early drop out rate, and a lot of people dislike halls and move out, rooms open up pretty quickly. I shared for 3 weeks, and that was the longest I know of anyone sharing for.

My room mate was alright, we just made sure not to step on each other's toes. And like I say, the first two weeks didn't have any lectures, just introductory stuff, so I was pissed up and without work for all that time, so it's not like we needed anything more than a bed in the room.

[griftadan]

I think the UK system where the first year is in a dorm to settle in and make friends and the rest is in houses sounds about right

that's what we pretty much do here, i'm in dorms now, but i'm getting an apartment for next semester.

the dorms aren't bad past having to share a room and living on a dry campus.

[PerpetualBurn]

You share a room permanently? That's horrific if so.

And dry campus? I can't imagine such a thing existing. Our campus has 11 fully licensed bars!

[italic zero]

yeah sometimes there are triples or quads

[PerpetualBurn]

I can't think of a single reason why such a system would exist. Nobody on campus shares a room unless they're like married or something and specifically requested it. But they'd probably get a flat somewhere.

I didn't mind the first 3 weeks, but a year without your own room is obscene. Privacy is important at uni. You need to be able to be alone to work, and to have your own space to do what you want. Especially if you want to bring a girl back or something.

[italic zero]

no we share those too

[Iskandar]

It's not realistic to want your own room at a lot of universities.

[PerpetualBurn]

It's realistic at basically every English University.

[griftadan]

You share a room permanently? That's horrific if so.

And dry campus? I can't imagine such a thing existing. Our campus has 11 fully licensed bars!

you can but you pay more, i decided it wasnt worth it. and yes, middle american colleges are lame like that, ive gotten in trouble more than once for boozing in my room.

[PerpetualBurn]

Well 21's a ridiculous drinking age to have anyway. It seems really odd. When you leave for University at 18 you're legally an adult, and you're accepting a tenancy agreement for accommodation, you should expect your own room. Why build dorms that are sharing anyway?

[italic zero]

kids with singles sometimes don't assimilate as well

[griftadan]

Well 21's a ridiculous drinking age to have anyway. It seems really odd. When you leave for University at 18 you're legally an adult, and you're accepting a tenancy agreement for accommodation, you should expect your own room. Why build dorms that are sharing anyway?

saves space and money. many universities here have huge on campus populations, the university of texas has like 50,000 by itself.

[lfantwister]

yeah man sharing is caring

[PerpetualBurn]

You assimilate fine with a single room. You just prop your door open and actually talk to the people on your floor. And some people want to shut themselves off a bit, which they have a right to do.

I find it bizarre to think if I was in America I'd be below the age of drinking. The philosophy society, which I joined as part of my course, actually has the lecturers provide us with free drink at the Royal Institute of Philosophy lectures.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

yeah, ive never understood the rationale for the US drinking age. it just seems absurd
Greek is pointless though... wasted year of my life plato, aristotle, the bible, homer...

[Dr Hooch]

you can but you pay more, i decided it wasnt worth it. and yes, middle american colleges are lame like that, ive gotten in trouble more than once for boozing in my room.

:lol::lol::lol:

<hums 'God save the Queen'>

[PerpetualBurn]

I just find it mindblowing to think that the bar I drink in at uni is run by people who wouldn't be able to buy a pint in America. Or that in our SU there's a capacity crowd of what would in America be illegal drinkers.

[griftadan]

meh, its not like it's very difficult at all to get away with, especially in college towns. you don't even really need a fake in most cases.

[Dr Hooch]

I just find it mindblowing to think that the bar I drink in at uni is run by people who wouldn't be able to buy a pint in America. Or that in our SU there's a capacity crowd of what would in America be illegal drinkers.

There's parts of europe where the drinking age is 14 (along with the age of consent...)

It's a crazy country, I'll tell you that.

[pedro durruti]

Above all else, it's our most shameful aspect.

[PerpetualBurn]

meh, its not like it's very difficult at all to get away with, especially in college towns. you don't even really need a fake in most cases.

Maybe it's just English pub culture, but drinking is so much better here once you're 18. It's not that you can't get served below 18, it's just how much more relaxed you are walking into a pub knowing there's no danger of being asked for ID.

[lfantwister]

There's also that seductive nervousness of getting away with a fake even if you look like you're 12. Once i got mine taken away but that was like 3 years ago

[griftadan]

i've never been really questioned, but mines good quality. i've never felt nervous at a bar around here, but that may because pretty much eveyrone else is underaged too.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

I'm canadian and am turning 18 soon.. I went to New York this fall and I bought some alchohol at the Village Vanguard idk.

[Iscariot]

http://debunking911.com/questions.htm

[Dr Hooch]

http://debunking911.com/questions.htm

OH


HOW


AWESOME

[dustindow]

http://debunking911.com/questions.htm

I think thats called getting into the movie a little too much.

[Iscariot]

it gave me quite a lol

[Danish]

Hey everyone. Just figured I let you all know what I've been up to since I haven't posted in like 48675746848 years. I'm 2 credits away from a degree in Labour Studies and Political Science and I teach, so that takes up a lot of time. I've also been active in my union (Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4207); I was elected Health & Safety Officer, Applied Health Science Steward, and delegate spots both at next month's CUPE Ontario Convention and the Niagara CUPE Council. I've also been doing a practicum with CAW Local 199, and I joined the NDP For the summer, I'm hoping to do an organizing internship with UNITE-HERE.

Does this make me the most socialist person on here? ;)

[HazMatBlue]

well, youre still using a capitalist system...

but it sounds like you're doing pretty good, congrats

[lfantwister]

Wow danish. Makes me almost want to get my *** off the forums and do ****.... but not enough.

[Mr. Ron]

What is everyone's opinions on Mario Savio?

[spitfirejunky]

Hey everyone. Just figured I let you all know what I've been up to since I haven't posted in like 48675746848 years. I'm 2 credits away from a degree in Labour Studies and Political Science and I teach, so that takes up a lot of time. I've also been active in my union (Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4207); I was elected Health & Safety Officer, Applied Health Science Steward, and delegate spots both at next month's CUPE Ontario Convention and the Niagara CUPE Council. I've also been doing a practicum with CAW Local 199, and I joined the NDP For the summer, I'm hoping to do an organizing internship with UNITE-HERE.

Does this make me the most socialist person on here? ;)

Nice.

[Iskandar]

The other day I went to the library and checked about ten books on the Spanish Civil War (I'm doing a big research essay on it soon), got lunch and ate it on the steps of the county courthouse while reading Homage to Catalonia. However, that pales in comparison to what Danish has been doing.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

do u live in dallas texas

[Smokey D]

No.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

liar

[Smokey D]

Why would I be from Texas?

[A Spoonful Supreme]

im sure you can answer that for yourself :rolleyes:

[Smokey D]

Because I said Christianity dominates American institutions and therefore attracts legitimate criticism?

[A Spoonful Supreme]

strike one :smoke: