PNWI Community Thread version 3.0 (KEEP REFRIGERATED AT ALL TIMES)

[lunchforthesky]

If you go to Leeds then there's a pub that is a boat. It's called The Dry Docks. I recommend it.

Like ten minutes from my house, its pretty cool but the gimmick is better than the actual pub.

[coheneran]

I've managed to download the V For Vendetta comicbook in pdf. It's really really good. If anyone wants it I can zip it up and put it on rapidshare. Actually, I think I will, and I'll put it in the essential political reading thread too.

[PerpetualBurn]

I might be vaguely interested. About how big a file is it?

[coheneran]

It's 10 pdf files. 110mb altogether.

[pedro durruti]

My roomate's future husband is going to hate him.

[coheneran]

Why, did he sleep with you?

[pedro durruti]

No, he's horrible at house work.

[PerpetualBurn]

Like ten minutes from my house, its pretty cool but the gimmick is better than the actual pub.

You in the Hyde Park area with all the other students then? I've got quite a few mates that live round there.

It seemed reasonable when I went in prior to a Dragonforce gig. Pool was a quid though. Nearly spat out my pint in shock!

You must surely also appreciate the brilliance of Lucky's Pizza, as well.

[pedro durruti]

You guys are so lucky, when I want beer I can only get it at a corner store and it's always tramp juice.

[coheneran]

Exactly WHAT is wrong with 8.9% beer?

[pedro durruti]

It tastes awful most of the time.

[coheneran]

Uhh, all alcohol tastes pretty awful.

[pedro durruti]

There's plenty of good beer out there, and mixed drinks often taste like delicious liquor juice.

[lunchforthesky]

You in the Hyde Park area with all the other students then? I've got quite a few mates that live round there.

It seemed reasonable when I went in prior to a Dragonforce gig. Pool was a quid though. Nearly spat out my pint in shock!

You must surely also appreciate the brilliance of Lucky's Pizza, as well.

My halls are around Hyde Park, I dont really go drydock that often for whatever reason. Lucky's is pretty much a mainstay of my diet.

[coheneran]

There's a Hyde Park in Leeds?

Copycats.

[PerpetualBurn]

My halls are around Hyde Park, I dont really go drydock that often for whatever reason. Lucky's is pretty much a mainstay of my diet.

Ah, I'm not familiar with the where the Halls are, the mates I've visited are all second, third years with houses.

On the subject of good beer, I'm an actual connoseiur of fine English ales. I went to Stoke Beer Festival last semester with the Ale and Cider society. If you want a ridiculously strong beer then Last Rites is 11% and tastes pretty bloody good. I also, at the recommendation of a German friend, tried Schlenkerla, a smoked beer - like drinking beer and smoked sausage all in one liquid beauty.

[coheneran]

Yeah, that seems to sum up German cuisine nicely.:lol:

EDIT: I've added V For Vendetta to the reading thread.

[lunchforthesky]

Due to financial constraints i usually go for whatever is the cheapest way to get drunk.

[PerpetualBurn]

He also got us some Lebkuchen before Christmas. German cake = good cake.

I've managed to get him away from lager and on to real English bitter. He (and the rest of the foreign students I've met) had actually never had bitter before.

[PerpetualBurn]

Due to financial constraints i usually go for whatever is the cheapest way to get drunk.

Good ways include: playing Centurion before you go out and Skittle Vodka.

[coheneran]

What's Skittle Vodka and what's the difference between lager, bitter and ale?

[PerpetualBurn]

Take one bottle of vodka, and one bag of skittles. Open bag of skittles and tip into [opened] bottle of vodka (replace cap on bottle). Leave until skittle dissolve in vodka (a few hours, overnight is best).

You now have a recipe for Skittle Vodka. It takes the edge of the vodka and makes shots much easier and, if you like Skittles, a lot tastier.

Bitter and ale are interchangeable, although ale would probably contain the sub-group stout which is different again to bitter.

Bitter is smoother, without gas, generic stuff is Worthington's, John Smith's, Tetley's. The ones that when poured properly in a pub they need to settle, unlike lager which is slightly fizzy and usually just froths rather than needing to settle - lager is stuff like Wifebeater (Stella), Carling, Carlsberg and so on.

[coheneran]

Explain Stout please.

[lunchforthesky]

I cant stand lager, bitter, ale or beer in any form.

[Iskandar]

He also got us some Lebkuchen before Christmas. German cake = good cake.
That stuff's pretty good.

[PerpetualBurn]

I cant stand lager, bitter, ale or beer in any form.

What are you, some kind of puff?

[Iskandar]

Beer just doesn't appeal to me.

[coheneran]

What are you, some kind of puff?

Lol, it's spelled poof.

I don't really like beer either. There are nicer drinks and more efficient ways to get drunk. Beer is redundant.

[lunchforthesky]

What are you, some kind of puff?

Yes, I have been known to drink Lambrini at times :amaze:

[pedro durruti]

Only vodka eh comrade?

[coheneran]

I like whiskey and coke also.

Though I always feel physically and emotionally sick after drinking the coke.

[lunchforthesky]

Vodka makes me feel like s'hit the next day, but otherwise i never really get hungover.

[Iskandar]

I like whiskey and coke also.

Though I always feel physically and emotionally sick after drinking the coke.
I've taken to calling it "whiskey and cola."
Only vodka eh comrade?
I do drink a lot of it. Poland's national drink.

[pedro durruti]

I love how in Russian novels when people sit down and talk or eat, it is always mentioned that they are drinking vodka, and only sometimes beer, nothing else.

[Iskandar]

I love how in Russian novels when people sit down and talk or eat, it is always mentioned that they are drinking vodka, and only sometimes beer, nothing else.
Yeah, they actually do that. Two workers will go out to lunch at a restaurant and order sandwiches and a bottle of vodka, and finish it before going back to work. Russians are my new god.

[pedro durruti]

So that's why the USSR was a failure.

[PerpetualBurn]

Actually I spent a night drinking gay drinks at our Halls' bar once when it did a cocktail night. Cosmopolitan and Sex on the Beaches do not make you look manly.

[pedro durruti]

Haha I'm reading about Centurion on wiki, and here's one of the rules:
Vomiting or abandonment of the goal usually result in elimination. In some cases the re-drinking of vomited liquid is acceptable behavior to stay in the running
:lol:

[PerpetualBurn]

When we've played it we've always had someone go with any person that needs to go for a slash or to vomit in the toilet to ensure that that person takes the next shot.

The important thing is to do a real shot - 40ml is acceptable.

[das efx]

FYI

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=exclusive--harry-to-fight-in-iraq%26method=full%26objectid=18634497%26siteid=89 520-name_page.html

prince harry the warrior

[PerpetualBurn]

I like where it says he won't want any special treatment and then goes on to talk about his former-SAS private secretary.

God bless the Royals.

[thedeadwalk!]

Anybody know why BassRevelation was banned? He always seemed rather level-headed.

Also, I love how the tops on Disaronno bottles spin; makes reaching for another glass all the more pleasurable. However, the lower alcohol content than I'm used to depresses me when I see how fast it goes.

[lunchforthesky]

Cause he was being a tool in the pit.

[pedro durruti]

There's a country called The Gambia

[Hababi]

There's a country called The Gambia

What's the capital of Djibouti?

[thedeadwalk!]

Djibouti.

[PerpetualBurn]

It pisses me off when people call it The Ukraine.

[pedro durruti]

What's the capital of Djibouti?
Haha WHAT? Why did you ask me that boy?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

FYI

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=exclusive--harry-to-fight-in-iraq%26method=full%26objectid=18634497%26siteid=89 520-name_page.html

prince harry the warrior

meh

why not

[Hababi]

Haha WHAT? Why did you ask me that boy?

Because you didn't know it was Djibouti and I know it :evil:

[coheneran]

FYI


prince harry the warrior

Prince Harry is the biggest idiot I've ever heard of. "... he was not willing to sit out the war in safety while comrades risked their lives." If my friends went to risk their lives for an idiotic cause, I'd point out the idiocy of the cause, not go with them. What an idiot.

Because you didn't know it was Djibouti and I know it :evil:

Hahaha, what's the capital of the Congo?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Prince Harry is the biggest idiot I've ever heard of. "... he was not willing to sit out the war in safety while comrades risked their lives." If my friends went to risk their lives for an idiotic cause, I'd point out the idiocy of the cause, not go with them. What an idiot.

If homie wants to join the muthafukkin' army, homie's right to say "send me to fight like everybody else"

if he don't wanna fight he don't join no god damn army dig?

[Der Übermensch]

If my friends went to risk their lives for an idiotic cause, I'd point out the idiocy of the cause, not go with them. What an idiot.
That why you wouldn't join the army.
Generally, the reason soldiers fight isn't because they believe in the cause... its for the guy next to them in the foxhole.

[coheneran]

Haha, how strange, that is why I'm a (wanna-be) revolutionary.

[ringworm]

A senior military source said: "The final details are being sorted, but he is definitely going. Naturally, his royal status has to be taken into account - but he will see action."

binoculars dont count do they? :)

[coheneran]

:lol:

Watch Have I Got News For You this Friday, they'll tell that joke, I'm willing to bet. I said something really funny on here once about some news-piece and the same week the Have I Got News bastards used that joke. I bet the writers do google search after google search to find decent jokes. Everyone knows internet forums are the height of original humour these days.

[PerpetualBurn]

So apparently I passed a module of Comparative Politics having missed over half the lectures and having never opened the textbook. I am especially amazed since 40% of the people doing politics have failed it.

Victoly!

[coheneran]

I'll vote for you if you run on the platform of social reform by beer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEpRlw9pMrw

Bloody hell, since when was MSNBC reporting on stuff like this?!

Incidentally, I heard yesterday that in 2004 John Kerry withdrew from the election when he was ahead of Bush in the votes and only 40% of the votes had actually been counted.

[Iskandar]

Guys, I'm suffering from some sort of vomit-inducing variant of influenza....:(

[pedro durruti]

Smoke some ganj..

[coheneran]

No. You have a stomach bug. Keep warm, drink camomile tea (with lemon if your throat hurts), take lots of Vitamin C, and rest.

[pedro durruti]

But it's an antiemetic!

[Iskandar]

No. You have a stomach bug. Keep warm, drink camomile tea (with lemon if your throat hurts), take lots of Vitamin C, and rest.
Thanks. Bet it was the combination of Saturday's fun + Sunday's Italian dinner....at least, that's what came out of my mouth at 6 a.m.

I can barely keep water down, but thanks for the advice. I'll try it when I'm able.:thumb:

[coheneran]

Oh, if you're feeling nauseous, drink some soft drink with lemon, it will make you puke and then you will feel better.

[Iskandar]

Oh, if you're feeling nauseous, drink some soft drink with lemon, it will make you puke and then you will feel better.
Done.

[ringworm]

i thought this was a pretty cool idea for a prank

http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/9653

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

binoculars dont count do they? :)

That's a funny joke (no sarcasm) until we consider that a spotter is a serious important role in any army and recon work is way important ;)


"funny jokes ruined by accuracy"

[pedro durruti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCrDgm_H678

[coheneran]

Dude, that Chinese thing is a complete Trigger Happy ripoff. It's funnier with animal suits anyway.

[thedeadwalk!]

The first couple were, but them running in and throwing the guy in the air as well as making the woman duck were great.

Also, that first guy who just keeps walking is priceless.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCrDgm_H678

I miss trigger happy tv

I used to like the dogs who would fight

and the snowman who threw snowballs

and the drunken St Bernard dog


also "do not trust this man"

i liked that

EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1MHY_AFNAM

SO clever

[coheneran]

Yeah, that was my favourite.

[Der Übermensch]

Trigger Happy TV... funniest show ever.

[spitfirejunky]

Not sure this has been addressed:

http://ask.yahoo.com/20010209.html

Variants of beer differ by where the fermentation occurs in the fluid, the container in which they're brewed, and the types and amounts of ingredients.

[PerpetualBurn]

Ale uber alles.

I am well versed in the drinking of British beer.

[coheneran]

Yeah? Well I can taste the difference between Northern Mayo poteen, Southern Mayo poteen, Donegal poteen and North Ireland poteen.

[thedeadwalk!]

And I have no clue what poteen is or the ability to do anything else aforementioned.

[pedro durruti]

And I have no clue what poteen is or the ability to do anything else aforementioned.
You..

The majority of the sites I try to go to don't work right now...

[thedeadwalk!]

I'm completely incapable of responding to you.

[coheneran]

Restart your computer!

Poteen is Irish potato whisky.

[ringworm]

"funny jokes ruined by accuracy"
thanks, lol, party pooper :)

[Volumnius Flush]

Trigger Happy TV... funniest show ever.

That honor bemongs to Gerhard Reinke's Wanderlust.

[pedro durruti]

Oh my gods... I love Wanderlust.

[Volumnius Flush]

Oh my gods... I love Wanderlust.

I think my favorite part was where he did the impression of Mangina and tucked his tuck inside his leg.

[PerpetualBurn]

It's such a good day to drink a lot and make pancakes, as I'm finding out.

[Volumnius Flush]

It's such a good day to drink a lot and make pancakes, as I'm finding out.

I made a thread about pancakes once. I posted this picture of a delicious looking stack of 'cakes. The poll option asked about how long it took of staring at the picture before one became hungry. It was an instant hit.

[Mr. Ron]

I usually can't eat that many pancakes, since the syrup gets too much after a while. Too sugary.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

I cooked myself a pancake with the frying pan and the batter which my mother made

it was a totall success

it was delicious

[Volumnius Flush]

I usually can't eat that many pancakes, since the syrup gets too much after a while. Too sugary.

I can't eat pancakes or I'll get sick. Same thing with cheeseburgers for breakfast. And used to I could drink 3 gallons of milk a week, then nothing. I would get sick and couldn't drink milk, but I could eat cheese. I can drink milk now. I went to the doctor. Aside from catching the flu, I've gained 6 pounds :(

[Iskandar]

I can't eat pancakes or I'll get sick. Same thing with cheeseburgers for breakfast.Umm.

[coheneran]

Six pounds is nothing.

Pancakes can also be really really nice if you don't put sugar in the mix and eat it with cheese and something, savoury stuff. I had a really great cheese and tuna pancake once.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

I can't eat pancakes or I'll get sick. Same thing with cheeseburgers for breakfast. And used to I could drink 3 gallons of milk a week, then nothing. I would get sick and couldn't drink milk, but I could eat cheese. I can drink milk now. I went to the doctor. Aside from catching the flu, I've gained 6 pounds :(

I lost 2 pounds this morning by taking off a bathrobe



Also eating cheeseburgers for breakfast is a really sickening concept and i'm glad your country is drowning in its on fat if that's the kinda attitude that anyone except idiots like you take.


I drink a couple of pints a milk a day, never did me any harm

[coheneran]

It will one day. Apparantly our bodies aren't designed to digest milk.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

There's some truth in that maybe


I can feel my throat clear when i drink juice for a few days instead

[coheneran]

I almost slapped my grandma when I was vegan and she tried to slip me meat "for the B12". Instead I explained to her that animals don't create vitamin B12, it's created by bacteria that is present in soil, which the plants then take in, and then the animals, and it stays concentrated in their bodies, which is why meat has such a high concentration. But it's incredibly easy to get B12 out of vegetables, provided you eat organic. The problems arise when soil is used continuously for cash crops and all the nutrients are drained out of it. So, indirectly, capitalism is the cause for B12 deficiencies in most vegetables nowadays. Also, there's a small amount of the B12-producing bacteria in our mouths, but not nearly enough to provide the 2-3 micrograms we need daily. It also stays in your liver for a very long time, so if you've eaten B12-loaded meat or a couple of supplemental pills, you won't need more for almost a decade.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Ok so are you trying to suggest that we can support our current populations without hardfarming the land

animals are natures vitamin traps i mean you don't want to eat soil and sunlight do you

ok that last bit isn't a srs point

[coheneran]

Actually, half of the grain we produce goes to feeding animals for slaughter. It would be much more efficient (not to mention environmentally friendly) and cheaper to only grow cereals and vegetables.

[PerpetualBurn]

I almost slapped my grandma when I was vegan and she tried to slip me meat "for the B12". Instead I explained to her that animals don't create vitamin B12, it's created by bacteria that is present in soil, which the plants then take in, and then the animals, and it stays concentrated in their bodies, which is why meat has such a high concentration. But it's incredibly easy to get B12 out of vegetables, provided you eat organic. The problems arise when soil is used continuously for cash crops and all the nutrients are drained out of it. So, indirectly, capitalism is the cause for B12 deficiencies in most vegetables nowadays. Also, there's a small amount of the B12-producing bacteria in our mouths, but not nearly enough to provide the 2-3 micrograms we need daily. It also stays in your liver for a very long time, so if you've eaten B12-loaded meat or a couple of supplemental pills, you won't need more for almost a decade.

I'm no expert on vitamin 12 itself, but don't cows and **** have like 4 stomachs for getting the sweet goodness out of veg?

Plus I love steak, so I don't care.

[coheneran]

Yeah, meat is tasty.

Hedonist.

Besides, it doesn't matter how much stomachs a cow has if we don't need it to get B12, and that in fact the meat industry is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

christ eran for once could you please not think something through and allow me to find some support for my hedonistic lifestyle i mean SRSLY

[coheneran]

I'm a hedonist. Sort of.

I do what I want and don't let any outside discipline affect me.

Except things I can't help, like batons and radiation.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Mr Cohen just invented some pretty awesome riot control if we combine his two oppressors

[coheneran]

Lol.

"Set your batons to maximum bounce, boys."

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

morelike "set batons to Beta"

[coheneran]

Not as funny, imo.

When the hell is someone gonna respond to what I posted in the Black History Month thread? I eagerly await Andy's cynical putdowns and Mr. Ron's mildly sarcastic straight-forwardedness.

[PerpetualBurn]

Blacks?

I thought we got rid of those?

If not, then what the hell was that whole WW2 thing?

[coheneran]

Uhh, that was about Jews, and it didn't work out.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Ahhhhh

My freind has this t-shirt that says "Hitler world tour 1939-1943"

ad it has all the invasion dates

and over ITaly

it says "sold out"


rofl

[coheneran]

Yeah, I saw that in Camden. I really wanted it. I'd make one if I thought there's a chance my whole extended family wouldn't abandon their strongly anti-capital punishment stance the second they saw me wear it.

[Mr. Ron]

Not as funny, imo.

When the hell is someone gonna respond to what I posted in the Black History Month thread? I eagerly await Andy's cynical putdowns and Mr. Ron's mildly sarcastic straight-forwardedness.

You god damn ******jew


Lets do tea sometime.




I've come to my final realization. I'm a socialist. I don't know what kind but I've had it with capitalism.

[Iskandar]

I've come to my final realization. I'm a socialist. I don't know what kind but I've had it with capitalism.
Awesome.

See what this forum does to people?

[coheneran]

You god damn ******jew


Lets do tea sometime.




I've come to my final realization. I'm a socialist. I don't know what kind but I've had it with capitalism.

Welcome to the Rebel Alliance, brother.:)

[pedro durruti]

Haha

[Iskandar]

You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!

[coheneran]

Who?

[spitfirejunky]

It will one day. Apparantly our bodies aren't designed to digest milk.

What the hell do we have lactase for?

[coheneran]

Boobie milk?

I don't know, I don't know what lactase is.

EDIT: Any law students in tha house who could give me a general analysis: http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/362989.html

EDIT 2: There's something wrong with users here. I got negrepped again for this post: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14216364&postcount=8

Seriously, how could anyone NOT take that as a joke?

[Smokey D]

White folk retain the ability to digest milk easily throughout their lives. It's one of the few physiological differences between different ethnic groups that actually does anything.

[The_Passenger]

Awesome.

See what this forum does to people?

To be fair the discussion on this forum has led me to look into economics more and as I have I've turned from left to right as far as economics go.

[Hababi]

This forum has made me more an advocate of capitalism :p

[spitfirejunky]

Boobie milk?

I don't know, I don't know what lactase is.

It's an enzyme that digests lactose, one of the major components of milk. The fact we have it suggests that our bodies are designed to digest milk.

This forum has made me more an advocate of capitalism :p

Me too actually.

[coheneran]

We do have milk at a certain point in our lives for half a year or so. It'd be a bit silly if something as fragile as a baby's digestive system wouldn't be able to digest breast milk, wouldn't it?

I don't know about cow's milk though.

[Mr. Ron]

Awesome.

See what this forum does to people?

Well, I was always interested on socialism, but yeah this forum turned me onto it faster.

I just have to sort through the different kinds of socialism and find one I agree with. I saw something about "democratic socialism" a few days ago that sparked my interest.

[coheneran]

Why sort through them? Making a choice from whatever small plate's handed to you is a product of the capitalist rhetoric: "That's the way the world is." Create your own socialism out of whatever you find to be morally correct within yourself, don't wait for something you can more-or-less agree with.

[pedro durruti]

This forum has shifted me away from my faulty, original beliefs in anarchism (while still holding true to much of it), and proven to me that capitalism isn't entirely bad, but still a menace.

[PerpetualBurn]

I always find it amazing that I sit through my politics seminars arguing with my class from a permanently traditional working-man lefty point of of view, and then I come on here and look like Thatcher or something.

[Mr. Ron]

Why sort through them? Making a choice from whatever small plate's handed to you is a product of the capitalist rhetoric: "That's the way the world is." Create your own socialism out of whatever you find to be morally correct within yourself, don't wait for something you can more-or-less agree with.

Well, I'm just wondering if there is a form of socialism out there that matches my ideas. Just out of curiosity.

[Der Übermensch]

There probably is...

[Iskandar]

To be fair the discussion on this forum has led me to look into economics more and as I have I've turned from left to right as far as economics go.
Why?

[PerpetualBurn]

He realised just how reasonably priced his broadband connection was considering the unlimited downloads and 10meg connection speed.

How can capitalism be bad at these prices!?

[Iskandar]

He realised just how reasonably priced his broadband connection was considering the unlimited downloads and 10meg connection speed.

How can capitalism be bad at these prices!?
I can think of a few ways.

Do you support capitalism?

[PerpetualBurn]

Yes, but that post was mainly a joke.

[Iskandar]

Yes, but that post was mainly a joke.I know.

I can't think of a reason why I would wholeheartedly support capitalism. I dislike it on a fundamental level.

[coheneran]

Well, I'm just wondering if there is a form of socialism out there that matches my ideas. Just out of curiosity.

It is the action that defines the description/signifier. If you try looking for an ideology that fits your principles precisely, you'll only have to settle for something not quite to your agreement. Create your own definition of socialism.

He realised just how reasonably priced his broadband connection was considering the unlimited downloads and 10meg connection speed.

How can capitalism be bad at these prices!?

It's a toughie, that's for sure. Freedom vs Broadband Internet...

I can't decide.

[Iskandar]

Create your own definition of socialism.
I have no problem categorizing myself for the sake of convenience, i.e. "I'm a democratic socialist as opposed to say a Leninist." It's not like there's a strict doctrine people must adhere to in order to hold a political view.
It's a toughie, that's for sure. Freedom vs Broadband Internet...

I can't decide.Capitalism is freedom.

[coheneran]

English people should turn the telly to Channel 4 now for a doc about Iran.

[coheneran]

I have no problem categorizing myself for the sake of convenience, i.e. "I'm a democratic socialist as opposed to say a Leninist." It's not like there's a strict doctrine people must adhere to in order to hold a political view.
Capitalism is freedom.

Saying capitalism is freedom is like saying being forced to be a fisherman is freedom. Sure, it's freedom, but only freedom to trawl nets and sail a boat.

[Iskandar]

Saying capitalism is freedom is like saying being forced to be a fisherman is freedom. Sure, it's freedom, but only freedom to trawl nets and sail a boat.
No, dude, it is freedom. Without it, there would be no democracy, for starters. Democracy and capitalism are one and the same.

[pedro durruti]

No, dude, it is freedom. Without it, there would be no democracy, for starters. Democracy and capitalism are one and the same.
Capitalism is balls

[Der Übermensch]

Saying capitalism is freedom is like saying being forced to be a fisherman is freedom. Sure, it's freedom, but only freedom to trawl nets and sail a boat.

Capitalism is open market economics. Ie Economic Freedom - the ability to privatly control ones capital and invest it as one sees fit.
Socialism/Communism is to varying degrees Economic limitations - ie limiting the control an individual has over what they are able to do financially.
Your analogy is better for Communism then capitalism.

[Iskandar]

Capitalism is open market economics. Ie Economic Freedom - the ability to privatly control ones capital and invest it as one sees fit.
Socialism/Communism is to varying degrees Economic limitations - ie limiting the control an individual has over what they are able to do financially.

I don't agree with this dichotomy at all.

Capitalism is a privately controlled economy. Socialism is a socially controlled economy, hence the name.

[Hababi]

Capitalism is a privately controlled economy. Socialism is a socially controlled economy, hence the name.

Capitalism is controlled by individuals. Socialism is controlled by a bureaucracy.

And don't miss my wonderful new thread, folks :D

[Der Übermensch]

I don't agree with this dichotomy at all.

Capitalism is a privately controlled economy. Socialism is a socially controlled economy, hence the name.

Capitalism = Private Capital = Oversight of ones economic endevours
Socialism/Communism = Public Capital = Little oversight of ones economic endeveors, instead they are decided by the group as a whole.

Whats to disagree with?

[Iskandar]

Capitalism is controlled by individuals. Socialism is controlled by a bureaucracy.Wow, that's pretty stupid.

You did a great job of completely ignoring the existence of libertarian socialism.
Whats to disagree with?
The way it was phrased made it sound as if capitalism alone offers freedom for the individual ... it just seemed loaded and biased. Your second definition was better.

[Hababi]

Wow, that's pretty stupid.


:lol: You're just mad at me for my latest thread :p


You did a great job of completely ignoring the existence of libertarian socialism.


In a modernized society, it's completely impossible. So...

[Iskandar]

:lol: You're just mad at me for my latest thread :p
I think it's pointless antagonism, but I'm not personally affronted as I'm not anti-Jewish.
In a modernized society, it's completely impossible. So...I'm sorry you feel that way.

[PerpetualBurn]

English people should turn the telly to Channel 4 now for a doc about Iran.

I don't have a TV.

[Der Übermensch]

The way it was phrased made it sound as if capitalism alone offers freedom for the individual ... it just seemed loaded and biased. Your second definition was better.

Yeah, I guess I did kind of just type it up a bit fast... No idea why I would be biased in favor of capitalism though :p

[Iskandar]

Yeah, I guess I did kind of just type it up a bit fast... No idea why I would be biased in favor of capitalism though :p

No problem.:wave:

[coheneran]

No, dude, it is freedom. Without it, there would be no democracy, for starters. Democracy and capitalism are one and the same.

Since when is democracy about economic freedom?

Democracy and capitalism are inherently incompatible because capitalism, though it may give you the freedom to own what you can afford (material goods are an enslavement in themselves, but that's another discussion), ends up pitting people against each other in a struggle for mastery. Democracy, on the other hand, is about creating equality on every level. One person having power over another is an unequal relationship, and a society based on capitalism is a constant struggle to have power over each other. When one person has bread that I can't afford, she has power over me. When I need to sell my labour to another person so I can afford bread to eat, that person has power over me (unions turn this relationship on its head, why do you think they're so feared by bosses?).

[Der Übermensch]

Democracy and capitalism are inherently incompatible because capitalism, though it may give you the freedom to own what you can afford (material goods are an enslavement in themselves, but that's another discussion), ends up pitting people against each other in a struggle for mastery. Democracy, on the other hand, is about creating equality on every level. One person having power over another is an unequal relationship, and a society based on capitalism is a constant struggle to have power over each other. When one person has bread that I can't afford, she has power over me. When I need to sell my labour to another person so I can afford bread to eat, that person has power over me (unions turn this relationship on its head, why do you think they're so feared by bosses?).

Except for the fact that the modern Democratic system was born out of Capitalism...
(I wont go as far as to say they are one and the same though, as Dropper did...)

[Hababi]

Boooooo my thread was a beauty, stop listening to Cain, Smokey D. He'll only lead you astray. :thumbdown:

[coheneran]

Except for the fact that the modern Democratic system was born out of Capitalism...
(I wont go as far as to say they are one and the same though, as Dropper did...)

What we have right now is not a democracy, there's hardly what I'd call equality (regardless of how things were 200 years ago, just because things were worse then doesn't mean things are good now). The idea of democracy was, I'd say, born out of a revolutionary movement for social change both in Europe and the Americas. Capitalism was around in one form or another, but it didn't give birth to democracy. That'd be like saying fascism gave birth to anarcho-syndicalism.

[Der Übermensch]

The idea of Democracy was born out of the creation and empowerment of the growing middle class, which was a DIRECT product of late-stage mercantilism/ early capitalism.

You're analogy is horrible btw, since Fascism was created about 70 years AFTER anarcho-syndicalism...

[coheneran]

Regardless.:p

Anyway, if we wanna be pedantic about it, democracy was created by some Greeks. Probably before that. I know for sure that ancient nomadic Jewish tribes practised a weird kind of theo-democracy wherein a council of tribal elders was elected every once in a while, or something like that. Not that those societies were ever that equal.

To tell truth, we've not yet had a proper equal democratic nation, that I know of.

[Der Übermensch]

Look, I agree that Democracy does not exist in this world, because personally I use the term only in relation to what most would preface with Absolute.
However, we both obviously know that what Dropper meant is the Democratic system in place in the United States, the UK, and other such nations - Parlimentary systems, Democratic Republics and the like. The argument you are making belongs in the Athenian Democracy thread a little while back.

[coheneran]

Oh.

Fine.

Partypooper.

[Der Übermensch]

Hey, you were the one trying to argue with the wrong terms.

And you also havn't proven (Modern Representative) Democracy wasn't a product of Capitalism.

[coheneran]

I'm not arguing semantics, I'm arguing definitions.

There's democracy, and there's trying to make it fit around capitalism, which'll never work. Forms of democracy in a capitalist society are half-arsed attempts by liberal-minded people to ease the collective conscience while still clinging to the material comforts of capitalism. It doesn't work, because the material comforts of capitalism are created through an unequal system of relationships.

[Der Übermensch]

Well, you are using the wrong definition. As defined by the political currents since the Enlightenment, Democracy is very compatable with Capitalism, and only exists because Capitalism came about...

[coheneran]

Well then their idea of democracy doesn't include pervasive equality since capitalism is inherently unequal.

[Der Übermensch]

Democracy isn't about equality... it's about opportunity...

[pedro durruti]

I thought that was just capitalism?

EDIT: Haha, Eran, why the **** are you talking like that in the royalty thread

[coheneran]

It's hella fun dude.

Congratz on your 7000th.

[Iskandar]

Hej, anarchists ... I was trolling....

I don't think that any political or economic systems necessarily go hand in hand. Capitalism can exist in a democratic or autocratic state, as fascism proved. So can socialism, or anything else you can think of.

[coheneran]

Capitalism and democracy can never be symbiotic, which is what I meant.

[Iskandar]

Capitalism and democracy can never be symbiotic, which is what I meant.
I agree that they are contradictory in a way.

I'm shocked and hurt that no one caught on to my trolling, really. You become the forum's resident commie and this is what you get in return?:(

[pedro durruti]

I don't know what you are talking about

[coheneran]

Hahaha, me neither. Sorry.

[Iskandar]

Hahaha, me neither. Sorry.When I started going on about how capitalism is freedom and so on. I thought at least someone would have picked up on that. It'd be like Zero talking about his favourite Palestinian dishes.

[PerpetualBurn]

Anyone notice Petros making a tit of himself trying to be me?

[coheneran]

When I started going on about how capitalism is freedom and so on. I thought at least someone would have picked up on that. It'd be like Zero talking about his favourite Palestinian dishes.

Oh I noticed that. I thought that you were just arguing the con for the fun of it. Like how I was doing prole accents.

[Iskandar]

Anyone notice Petros making a tit of himself trying to be me?Quite frankly one of you is all we need.
Oh I noticed that. I thought that you were just arguing the con for the fun of it. Like how I was doing prole accents.
Ohhh ... ok then.

If I were to play devil's advocate, I'd argue along a different tack.

[coheneran]

I can't believe you've been here almost three years longer than me and yet you're still a thousand posts behind me. And me who had a three month winter ban once, which is the time when I most post anyway.

[Der Übermensch]

When I started going on about how capitalism is freedom and so on. I thought at least someone would have picked up on that. It'd be like Zero talking about his favourite Palestinian dishes.

No, I figured as much... but I decided to just join in... I prefer arguing against what I believe anyways :p

[Iskandar]

I can't believe you've been here almost three years longer than me and yet you're still a thousand posts behind me. And me who had a three month winter ban once, which is the time when I most post anyway.I tried to catch up ... dunno.

[PerpetualBurn]

Quite frankly one of you is all we need.


Well at least I'm consitently right. Petros is trying to deny logic with nothing but stupidity.

[pedro durruti]

There should be a politics soulseek room. Who uses soulseek?

[Der Übermensch]

I did briefly... Went back to Bit Torrent though...

[pedro durruti]

Scum

[coheneran]

Hahaha. My slsk stopped working for about half a year but now its working again and I'm on there so long as I'm on the computer.

Which is a lot if it's a weekday.

Nobody goes on allthehubbub anymore. If you come on there we can discuss politics further.

[pedro durruti]

Eran, there's only one B (CameoRole misspelled it when he created it).

[coheneran]

Hahaha, that explains a lot.

Zero, I hope you use Internet Explorer: http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6875/antifirefoxnb0.jpg

[Iskandar]

Well at least I'm consitently right. Petros is trying to deny logic with nothing but stupidity.Must you be so arrogant and brash, though?

[coheneran]

Yes, its funny as long as it's not directed at you.

[Iskandar]

Yes, its funny as long as it's not directed at you.
True enough.

Maybe I need a signiature gimmick, unless I have one already.

[coheneran]

You do.

We all do. But some of us don't try as hard.

[metalkingtiger]

I did briefly... Went back to Bit Torrent though...

idk about you but Bit Torrent seems so freakin slow lately. You have this problem?

[Hababi]

Maybe I need a signiature gimmick, unless I have one already.

I can usually pick out a Dropper post.

[lunchforthesky]

There should be a politics soulseek room. Who uses soulseek?

OINK is where its at.

[Der Übermensch]

idk about you but Bit Torrent seems so freakin slow lately. You have this problem?

Depends what tracker you use I guess... Never really have major problems personally... Lack of seeds occasionaly, but I can get what I need.

[Iskandar]

I can usually pick out a Dropper post.
Eh? How do you do that?

[spitfirejunky]

BitTorrent and SoulSeek have been terrible for me as well. I don't know what's going on, but I do know it has nothing to do with my computer or internet.

[Hababi]

Eh? How do you do that?

Well, they're always cogent, never demonstrative, often have brief, straight and to the point sentences, and obviously, if it's on economics, not difficult to discern who it is ;)

[Iskandar]

Well, they're always cogent, never demonstrative, often have brief, straight and to the point sentences, and obviously, if it's on economics, not difficult to discern who it is ;)
:cool:

[Hababi]

Basically, if it's absolute nonsense, I know it's Coheran or White Riot
If it's hyper aggressive sarcasm, I know it's PerpetualBurn

[Iskandar]

Basically, if it's absolute nonsense, I know it's Coheran or White Riot
If it's hyper aggressive sarcasm, I know it's PerpetualBurn
I like Eran. I can agree with much of what he says, though he's more zealous than I.

White Riot! is just a troll.

PB is honestly an arrogant berk, but he's also one of the best users around here when it comes to straight argument.

[Hababi]

I like Eran. I can agree with much of what he says, though he's more zealous than I.


Zealous?? I can think of some other adjectives. To me he's a slightly more cogent The_Green_Bastard. And I think that much of what he says is BS ("I've been to Israel and been shot at by the IDF!")


White Riot! is just a troll.


Truth.


PB is honestly an arrogant berk, but he's also one of the best users around here when it comes to straight argument.

For him, it rarely comes to that :p

Also he tends to stick to easy threads, mainly religious ones.

Spitfirejunkie is a much better user.

[Mr. Ron]

What are your guy's views on Karl Popper?

[PerpetualBurn]

Also he tends to stick to easy threads, mainly religious ones.


This is because economics bores the hell out of me and I enjoy religious debate. This site doesn't have enough philosophy, really. I'd get much more involved.

[Iskandar]

What are your guy's views on Karl Popper?
Don't like him. He's academia's equivalent of a troll.

His falsification method has merit, but it was poorly applied in his criticism of Marx and Engels. He did so merely to push his own political ideology.

[Hababi]

Hey no wonder the ACLU fights so hard to legalize child p0rnography--their leaders can't get enough of it! http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20070223-104642-1644r.htm

"Federal authorities yesterday charged the former president of the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia, who serves as a leader of youth sports organizations in the state, with receiving and possessing child pornography.
Charles Rust-Tierney, 51, of Arlington, was named in a criminal complaint filed by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Alexandria and was taken into custody by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and Arlington County police. "

ACLU, promoting and defending perverts for years.

[PerpetualBurn]

Hey no wonder the ACLU fights so hard to legalize child p0rnography

What?

[griftadan]

he's probably talking about when they defended nambla over their pamplet things teaching people how to properly molest kids.

[PerpetualBurn]

Oh right.

The idiot.

[pedro durruti]

Haha... I think I'm gonna get a job that pays 4.50 an hour (I've bene having difficulty finding a job). Isn't this illegal? Hehehe...

[Hababi]

Haha... I think I'm gonna get a job that pays 4.50 an hour (I've bene having difficulty finding a job). Isn't this illegal? Hehehe...

Yes. Especially in Manhattan. Begging would pay more.

[pedro durruti]

Haha. I got an interview for Environmental Action, so I'll take my chances with that.

[Mr. Ron]

Don't like him. He's academia's equivalent of a troll.

His falsification method has merit, but it was poorly applied in his criticism of Marx and Engels. He did so merely to push his own political ideology.

I hear his book The Logic of Scientific Discovery is amazing, though.

[Der Übermensch]

Well, since its under the table (I assume) you wouldn't be paying taxes on it, so not as bad as it could be...

[pedro durruti]

That's un-American.

[Der Übermensch]

Not paying taxes is the american way! We were founded by tax evaders!

[Mr. Ron]

England was all like "Oi where's our money?"

And we were like "LOL!"

[coheneran]

Zealous?? I can think of some other adjectives. To me he's a slightly more cogent The_Green_Bastard. And I think that much of what he says is BS ("I've been to Israel and been shot at by the IDF!")

Considering I'm Israeli-born and that I lived in Israel for half of my life, that I go back for a month or so almost every year, that I'm active and have many friends who are active in anarchist and anti-occupation projects in Israel, and that as an Israeli citizen I can go anywhere I want within Palestine (unlike the Palestinians themselves) and Israel, I don't see how that is so far-fetched. Considering I've been shot at and arrested by the IDF and you've never been to Israel, let alone Palestine, I feel that I'm in a better position to comment on what actually happens in Palestine than you are.

Not paying taxes is the american way! We were founded by tax evaders!

Lol, yeah. And draft-dodgers. You know all those loggers in the Oregon etc? They were fresh of Scandinavia in the Great War, they came over to the USA to escape conscription. It's a honourable establishment of America.

England was all like "Oi where's our money?"

And we were like "LOL!"

:lol::lol: Rep+.

[pedro durruti]

Haha... "the Oregon".

[coheneran]

Shuddup, I am a glorious beacon of light, and you a merely jewel in the rough, who are you to speak to me in such a tone?

[pedro durruti]

An Oregonian! We are humble People out there, and our Forests roll across the Plains and Valleys and Mountains.

[coheneran]

NP: Immortal Technique - Dance With The Devil is a song that makes me feel a bit sick inside.

[PerpetualBurn]

Immortal Technique is just stupidly good. As is that song.

[pedro durruti]

Stupidly good? I'm not sure what that means Peanut Butta...

[coheneran]

That particular one is good like Schindler's Ark was good. It's still eurgh-in-the-stomach.

[PerpetualBurn]

Stupidly good? I'm not sure what that means Peanut Butta...

It means he very very good, to the point of it just being stupid that things that good can exist.

[coheneran]

Everything he says is true you know.

Did you hear the track that's a rant about vegans and vegetarians? It's hilarious, even though I think he's wrong. It's not just a dietary choice, it does have extensive political and social consequences.

[PerpetualBurn]

Beef and Broccoli, I believe.

It's a good track, though there's better on that album.

[coheneran]

For sure. Like Revolutionary.:p That album has great rants.

Which ones do you have? I have Revolutionary Vol. 1, Vol. 2, and Black Cargo (which is mostly remixes).

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm ashamed to say I just have Revolutionary Vol. 1, but it's such an epic album.

[pedro durruti]

Vol. 1 is better than 2 anyways.

[coheneran]

Like pencils have rubbers, I have Rapidshare.

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm currently listening to Matisyahu. Good times.

[pedro durruti]

Both of you should check out Warsawpack. Badass funky hip hop ****.

[PerpetualBurn]

Sage Francis ftw...

[coheneran]

I'll slsk it up dude, cheers.

Yeah, I love sage, also Deltron and his non-scifi albums. And DJ Yoda. Public Enemy of course.

If you don't mind music in other languages, Hadag Nakhash are an amazing Israeli hip-hop group. They incorporate klezmer and Arabic styles into their music of course, as well as the Western styles. Lefties, obviously.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

For him, it rarely comes to that :p

Also he tends to stick to easy threads, mainly religious ones.


damnstrait pwned lol

[Iskandar]

I hear his book The Logic of Scientific Discovery is amazing, though.
It may be. Avoid The Open Society and its Enemies though, unless you want classic-liberal propaganda.

Guys, it's my birthday!

[Mr. Ron]

It may be. Avoid The Open Society and its Enemies though, unless you want classic-liberal propaganda.

Guys, it's my birthday!

WOOOO! Happy date of birth! :chug:


I hear he bashes fascism and communism in it. I'm all for bashing fascism and the kind of communism that's used by totalitarian regimes though.

[pedro durruti]

Happy birthday boy. How old are you?

[Iskandar]

WOOOO! Happy date of birth! :chug:


I hear he bashes fascism and communism in it. I'm all for bashing fascism and the kind of communism that's used by totalitarian regimes though.
He does do that, yeah.

I'm 18 now.

[coheneran]

http://rapidshare.com/files/18297474/immortal_technique_-_revolutionary_vol._2.zip.html

Enjoy peeps.

Happy birthday Comrade Alex.

[pedro durruti]

He does do that, yeah.

I'm 18 now.
Gonna get drunk legally?

[PerpetualBurn]

He does do that, yeah.

I'm 18 now.

In England, an 18th birthday means that you're legally obligated to get ratarsed.

[Iskandar]

Happy birthday Comrade Alex.Thanks.Gonna get drunk legally?
Age of majority is 19 in my province, but I did illegally on Friday....

[PerpetualBurn]

19? What a joke.

I can't imagine how rubbish it must be in places where it's 21.

[pedro durruti]

It makes you feel like smoking a joint

[coheneran]

You think that's bad? In some places it's illegal!

[PerpetualBurn]

Some places are retarded.

I'm going to get a can of Guinness.

[Iskandar]

I'd rather live in Quebec, I guess.

[Der Übermensch]

Quebec is nice. QC is my favorite place to visit.

[pedro durruti]

I hate when reading things and you have absolutely no idea what the **** is going on: An important feature of colonial discourse is its dependence on the of 'fixity' in the ideological construction of otherness. Fixity, the sign of cultural/historical/racial difference in the discourse of colonialism, a paradoxical mode of representation: it connotes rigidity and an unchanging order as well as disorder, degeneracy and daemonic repetition.

[Mr. Ron]

19? What a joke.

I can't imagine how rubbish it must be in places where it's 21.

Welcome to where I live.

[pedro durruti]

Is there any state in the US where it is below that?