100 Greatest Drummers: Results Of Round 1!!!1

[PinkFreud]

Hey guys! Round 1's finally over and here are the results. Some stupid choices on here. Stupid, stupid choices. I even labeled them for you! But overall, it's a mediocre list! Yay!

1. Neil Peart – 108
2. Mike Portnoy – 94
3. Danny Carey - 92
4. John Bonham – 81
5. Sean Reinert – 68
6. Martin Lopez - 68
7. Keith Moon – 65
8. Nicko McBrain – 59
9. Bill Bruford – 57
10. Ginger Baker - 55
11. Dave Lombardo – 55
12. Richard Christy - 52
13. Gene Hoglan - 45
14. Hellhammer - 43
15. Flo Mournier – 40
16. Bill Ward - 40
17. Vinnie Colaiuta - 37
18. Terry Bozzio – 37
19. Tomas Haake – 35
20. Brian “Brain” Mantia - 34
21. Jon Theodore - 34
22. Mitch Mitchell – 33
23. Chad Smith - 32
24. Steve Gadd - 32
25. Ian Paice – 32
26. Dave Grohl - 32 (Stupid)
27. Billy Cobham - 30
28. Ringo Starr - 30
29. Carl Palmer – 30
30. Scott Travis – 30
31. Josh Freese – 28
32. Chris Adler – 28
33. Tim Alexander - 27
34. Brad Wilk – 27
35. Bobby Jarzombek - 26
36. Steve Flynn – 26
37. Jimmy Chamberlin – 25 (Shouldn't be top 50)
38. Chris Pennie – 25
39. Stewart Copeland - 25
40. Dino Campanella – 24
41. Paul Mazurkiewicz - 24
42. Tony Laureano – 23
43. George Kollias – 23
44. Matt Cameron – 22
45. Dave Mackintosh – 22
46. Phil Collins - 21 (Way too high)
47. Nick Menza - 18
48. Carter Beauford – 18
49. John Dolmayan – 18
50. Inferno – 14

Yep. Discuss disappointments.

[Daven]

Hmmm Dave Grohl on 26 is indeed stupid. At least Sean Reinert and Danny Carey were ver high.

[Soul_Under_Arrest]

Glad to see Hellhammer and George Kollias made in through.

[tom79]

Peart at number 1 :)

[Apocalypticon]

Nick Menza, Tony Laureano, Paul Mazurkiewicz and Geogre Kollias should all be higher. Phil Collins shouldn't have even gotten into top 100. And you're right about Grohl.

[Thor]

Not having Nicholas Barker on here pretty much makes this poll totally wrong in every way.

[Txus]

Hellhammer 14?? :upset:

[Krabsworth]

Lame.

[gillygan]

Brann Dailor>>>>>>> 50% of the list.

Edit: Adler beat Alexander? What a joke.

[misunderstood]

i'm just glad Carey and Freese are up there though Josh should have been higher than 31. He should have easily beat out quite of few of those people above him.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Go Tommy!

[PinkFreud]

Hellhammer 14?? :upset:
Yeah. It's kinda too high a little bit.

Spat Out Plath, you just keep wishing, little buddy.

[Sleepy]

Inferno's all the way at the bottom of the top 50? Inconceiveable!

[Shadows Within]

I don't see why people like neil peart so much but good to se hellhammer made it up there.

[PinkFreud]

Not really. It's GREATEST rock and metal drummers and not BEST metal drummers.

Edit: Peart's great because he's influential, innovative, and one of the most technically sound drummers to grace a set. He's also an excellent drum composer.

[Shadows Within]

meh someone at my school is really into them and showed me some drum stuff and i wasnt that impressed, taste I guess.

[Battle Against Time]

Inferno's all the way at the bottom of the top 50? Inconceiveable!


That was my thought. I thought Kollias was too low as well.

Mike Portnoy
Danny Carey

^^ Good to see they did well.

I'm happy that Pennie made it as well.

How Grohl got that many votes, I have no idea. That's just obscene.

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

ah thank god chris adler made it.

[nowitzki]

46. Phil Collins - 21 (Way too high)
Seems fair to me.

[MBS]

Hey guys, I don't see Travis Barker anywhere. Am I mistaken or something?

[PinkFreud]

Seems fair to me.
Why? I really don't think he's that good at all. Certainly not top 50.

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

nope, not mistaking. for some reason this list does seem a bit weird

[Sleepy]

for some reason this list does seem a bit weird

I second that.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

The top 25 doesn't seem too awful to me...

[Battle Against Time]

Hey guys, I don't see Travis Barker anywhere. Am I mistaken or something?


Nope. Thank god Lars didn't get through though.

[MidnightRider]

7. Keith Moon
25. Ian Paice

I guess I was being quite naive when I thought Paice might crack the top 10. :(

[Sleepy]

Nope. Thank god Lars didn't get through though.

Lars got 2 or 3 votes. :lol:

[Txus]

Nope. Thank god Lars didn't get through though.
Yeah, I hate that little bastard. I think Travis Barker is way better than Lars. I'm dissapointed at some of the names in that list which are ranked too low. Inferno is that case :mad:

[Toaster]

Overall pretty good list. The top 5 were expected, but I was hoping Kollias and a few others would be higher.

[Shadows Within]

Inferno?

[Sleepy]

Inferno?

Behemoth's drummer - the man is a beast.

[Shadows Within]

i wish they would put Biomechanical's drummer Matt C. and into eternitys drummer there smaller time bands but there good.

[PinkFreud]

Seriously. I don't know what you guys are expecting. Inferno and metal drummers like him may be great technically but most are really out of place in a GREATEST drummers list.

[zabbit82]

Eh, not a bad list. I was hoping Moon would turn out in the top five somewhere, and Dave Grohl wouldn't make it at all.

[Toaster]

Seriously. I don't know what you guys are expecting. Inferno and metal drummers like him may be great technically but most are really out of place in a GREATEST drummers list.

I wasn't expecting anything. I said I hoped Kollias would be a bit higher.. I have no doubt he's not one of the top 25 greatest drummers ever.

[Shadows Within]

Seriously. I don't know what you guys are expecting. Inferno and metal drummers like him may be great technically but most are really out of place in a GREATEST drummers list.
...im not seeing a difference

i wish flo mounier would have made the list im still ****tin my pants from that graves of the fathers video.

metal drummers deserve to be on there as much as the rock drummers.

[Sleepy]

Seriously. I don't know what you guys are expecting. Inferno and metal drummers like him may be great technically but most are really out of place in a GREATEST drummers list.

I realize that, Freud - hopefully my posts aren't coming off as useless whining, because that sure as hell isn't what I meant them to be. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that, while all the better Rock drummers are in very respective places, the better Metal drummers are nearer to the bottom of the list (with the exception of Hellhammer) or not present at all. The metal drummers who are closer to mediocrity are taking spots up with the big boys of Rock N' Roll.

And I hope I didn't confuse the hell out of you with that one; it's my opinion, granted, but it's an opinion that seems to be shared with other users on here.

[PinkFreud]

Moon should be top 5 for real and Paice should be top 10.

I'm just in a foul mood because Grohl's in the top 50.

Laihoistheman, I'd like to think that technicality is only one of many aspects of being great. Besides, the metal guys still wouldn't be at the top. The studio drummers would be.

[CaptainWaits]

48. Carter Beauford – 18

That's ridculous :(

[Shadows Within]

Moon should be top 5 for real and Paice should be top 10.

I'm just in a foul mood because Grohl's in the top 50.

Laihoistheman, I'd like to think that technicality is only one of many aspects of being great. Besides, the metal guys still wouldn't be at the top. The studio drummers would be.
i guess i dont see why all the rock drummers are up ther i've heard most (not all) of these guys and i really dont see why there better, i guess i have to be a drummer.

[Drunken Viking]

Just because they aren't very fast and as technicaly good as say Inferno or Kollias (Sp?) doesn't mean they don't deserve to be on their.

[Bfhurricane]

Im not a fanboy or anything, but I think Mike Portnoy is better than Peart and their positions should be switched. Thats only me though.

[Shadows Within]

what 100 greatest list is after this? i've seen bassist and drummers and vocalists.

[Duncster]

Pretty good list. Really solid top 10. At least Copeland got through, and Brad and Tim are side by side :thumb:.

[Drunken Viking]

what 100 greatest list is after this? i've seen bassist and drummers and vocalists.
I'm thinking Riva is going to 100 Greatest Modern Bands or something. But isn't their more polls for this one?

[Shadows Within]

I'm thinking Riva is going to 100 Greatest Modern Bands or something. But isn't their more polls for this one?
Yeah this is just round one I think there's 3 rounds.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

I think Matt from Mudvayne is pretty underrated,and could have made this list.Lol,did he even make the top 100?I didnt see half of the rounds.

[Maggot Dream]

Im not a fanboy or anything, but I think Mike Portnoy is better than Peart and their positions should be switched. Thats only me though.
I'm sorry, but there is no way that Portnoy is better than Peart, in any aspect. Peart was much more original, was a better writer, more technical skill, FAR more variety in his playing (Portnoy's central flaw), and is much more influencial.

Portnoy is an excellent drummer, but there are obvious flaws in his playing. Peart beats him in pretty much every objective category.

[Nepenthe]

Sucks that Yanic Bercier didn't make the list. I'm going to be going with Hellhammer until the end.

[Bfhurricane]

I'm sorry, but there is no way that Portnoy is better than Peart, in any aspect. Peart was much more original, was a better writer, more technical skill, FAR more variety in his playing (Portnoy's central flaw), and is much more influencial.

Portnoy is an excellent drummer, but there are obvious flaws in his playing. Peart beats him in pretty much every objective category.

Meh, Peart is older and has more experience, definitely more influential, but when listening to Rush vs. Dream Theater I find that Portnoy exercises better use of the drums in their songs alone. They both have sick sets, if it came down to one on one drumming between them Peart may have an edge, but I like Portnoys style and his riffs in their songs better. Now that i think about it, its definitely a close call

[Jacaranda]

Peart kills Portnoy....

Stu Copeland is too low he needs to be top 10.

[Moses]

Seriously. I don't know what you guys are expecting. Inferno and metal drummers like him may be great technically but most are really out of place in a GREATEST drummers list.
They aren't even that great technically. In a drum battle, John Bonham would put them to shame.

[Drunken Viking]

Yes, because classic rock and death metal drumming are practically the same thing.

[Lunch]

Yes, because classic rock and death metal drumming are practically the same thing.

Yes, because at some point in his post he said they were the same thing.

[Nepenthe]

Yes, because at some point in his post he said they were the same thing.

No, but he did say that John Bonham (a classic rock drummer) could beat any metal drummer. He was just pointing out that the two genres are nothing alike, and thus you really can't compare the two. I think that's quite a narrow minded thing to say to be honest. To me drumming is all about what best serves the song. Anyone can do crazy technical drum solos, but I don't know of anyone in the world who gets in their car and puts on a drum solo cd. Most people listen to songs, so really that's all that should matter, how they perform in the environment of the music they play in. Just my two cents.

Not to mention saying that one drummer can beat any metal drummer (when I'm willing to bet he hasn't heard every metal drummer in the world, nor even come close to) is quite illogical to me.

[Lunch]

This isn't my argument so I'm not trying to get involved, but I don't think people should try to infer things like that when a person says nothing like that in their post. It just happened to me in the Tool thread, so it's putting me a little on edge.

[Nepenthe]

They aren't even that great technically. In a drum battle, John Bonham would put them to shame.

I'm not trying to start an argument either, but he clearly says what I accused him of saying.

[Maggot Dream]

Meh, Peart is older and has more experience, definitely more influential, but when listening to Rush vs. Dream Theater I find that Portnoy exercises better use of the drums in their songs alone. They both have sick sets, if it came down to one on one drumming between them Peart may have an edge, but I like Portnoys style and his riffs in their songs better. Now that i think about it, its definitely a close call
Portnoy's drumming all sounds the same. It's his worst flaw as a drummer. He has skill, but he doesn't use it nearly as well as he could. Rush's drum parts are more intricate, full, musical, and varied than Portnoy's by far.

If you are still unsure, listen to La Villa Strangiato (Rush) if you haven't already heard it. Then compare it to something like Erotomania. The difference is clear.

[Lunch]

I'm not trying to start an argument either, but he clearly says what I accused him of saying.

It seems to me like Moses is just expressing that he believes Bonham to be a better drummer and more deserving of a "greatness" title than many of the said "metal" drummers. Again, those aren't my words but I don't think on any level he was trying to say the classic rock and death metal are comparable genres, just merely stating his opinion about John Bonham. Which used to be allowed.

[Nepenthe]

It seems to me like Moses is just expressing that he believes Bonham to be a better drummer and more deserving of a "greatness" title than many of the said "metal" drummers. Again, those aren't my words but I don't think on any level he was trying to say the classic rock and death metal are comparable genres, just merely stating his opinion about John Bonham. Which used to be allowed.

Actually, DEATH metal was never brought up until Drunken Viking mentioned it. The post Moses responded to said metal in general. I'm sorry, but I think it's just a bit damn ridiculous to say one drummer is better than every single drummer of a HUGE HUGE HUGE genre such as metal. I may just be in a bit of a bad mood right now, but that just pisses me off a bunch.

I'm really sorry to have started this, like I said, I'm just a bit pissy right now.

[Lunch]

I would think it's ridiculous, but if it's his opinion than it's his opinion and it's out of my hand. It's irrelevant anyway though. We're wasting time arguing about nothing.

[heavy metal kid]

Ray Herrera didn't make it. He's easily a 48-50 imo.

[PepsiMetal]

Well at least peart is there. I wanted Raymond too. :(

And anders johanson, he kicksass.

[Drunken Viking]

Actually, DEATH metal was never brought up until Drunken Viking mentioned it. The post Moses responded to said metal in general. I'm sorry, but I think it's just a bit damn ridiculous to say one drummer is better than every single drummer of a HUGE HUGE HUGE genre such as metal. I may just be in a bit of a bad mood right now, but that just pisses me off a bunch.

I'm really sorry to have started this, like I said, I'm just a bit pissy right now.
Death Metal was brought up, when Moses said that Inferno wasn't that great technicaly and that John Bonham could be him in a drums battle. I was just saying that you can't compare John Bonham to Inferno because they drum completely differently, both their style and the type of music they play, hence me saying Death Metal and Classic Rock were the same thing sarcasticaly.

[rhcp pman]

I think Danny Carey, Neil Peart and Martin Lopez deserve those positions, but I think Portnoy's overrated.

I'm a bit disgusted that Grohl got that many votes, but Bordin didn't even make the cut.

And what's wrong with Jimmy Chamberlin? I think he's a great drummer. He adds so much to the music.

[PinkFreud]

Yeah. But top 50? Sorry. I can name 50 greater drummers than he. I also don't think Lopez should be that high.

[rroemmich29]

I'm not a drummer, and this is somewhat off topic, but the members of Rush are establishing themselves as some of the top musicians in history (well, as voted by this forum anyway). If I'm not mistaken, Lifeson cracked at least the top 50 of the guitarist poll, Lee was top 20 in bass, and now Peart is leading the preliminary drummer poll. It's a shame they don't get more respect as a band on here.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Why dont you think Lopez should be that high?

[Futuro]

Carl is fairly low :upset: x100

Im glad Reinert did good though.

Also How did Grohl get more votes than Palmer? WTF....Anyway Nice job PF on doing these threads.

[PinkFreud]

Well, in my opinion, Geddy Lee's voice is absolutely terrible. Completely ruins the band. Also, they all play so woodenly. Worse than Dream Theater.

Edit: Peephole, because I really don't think he should be above most of the drummers he's above or even some who aren't in these polls. 6th is extremely high. Sorry. I don't think he's got the credentials or talent to take it.

[Battle Against Time]

Well, in my opinion, Geddy Lee's voice is absolutely terrible. Completely ruins the band. Also, they all play so woodenly. Worse than Dream Theater.


What's wrong with Dream Theater?

Can't stand music in this century ?

[PinkFreud]

Yeah, that's right. I only listen to music from the 1900's.

Huh?

You know Dream Theater didn't debut in 2000, right? Or no? Dumb****.

Dream Theater and Rush sound mechanical to me, and not in the cool Buckethead way. In the boring, "I'm getting sick of listening to this" way.

[Battle Against Time]

Yeah, that's right. I only listen to music from the 1900's.

Huh?

You know Dream Theater didn't debut in 2000, right? Or no? Dumb****.

Dream Theater and Rush sound mechanical to me, and not in the cool Buckethead way. In the boring, "I'm getting sick of listening to this" way.


I know about Dream Theater, yes.

They don't sound at all "mechanical" to me and I havn't listened to enough Rush to make a call on them.

Buckethead is obviously beyond mechanical. That's his thing though.

[PinkFreud]

Their sound bores me to tears. Sure, some of their songs are ok, but their songwriting usually comes off as stale to me. I call them mechanical because their instrumentation sounds mechanized in my head. All too perfect.

[Drunken Viking]

So you'd want them to play sloppy, then if they do complain about that?

[Battle Against Time]

So you'd want them to play sloppy, then if they do complain about that?



That's how it works.

If they play really well, they can't do that.

If they play sloppy, they get bashed.

You can't win

[Futuro]

Well, I can't talk bad to rush. They got me into rock music with 2112 (Dont even ask what I was listening to before that....)

Their sound bores me to tears. Sure, some of their songs are ok, but their songwriting usually comes off as stale to me. I call them mechanical because their instrumentation sounds mechanized in my head. All too perfect. So you like to hear slight nuances? Maybe that is why you like Billys drumming!

/Kidding :-)

[PinkFreud]

So you'd want them to play sloppy, then if they do complain about that?
Nope. It's not that. I can take flawless playing. I just don't like them, really. I also think all of the members are crazy overrated.

[Drunken Viking]

They are all amazing at their instruments. All very talented and you even said it yourself, perfect.

[PinkFreud]

Nah. Their music sounds perfect. Portnoy is a tad average. Any professional drummer should be able to play his parts, he's not extraordinary. Petrucci is one dimensional and not as technically "OMG HE'S SO FAST. HE'S THE BEST GUITARIST EVER!" as people make him out to be. Myung is ok but not great. Rudess is fast but he kind of looks like a gnome, especially when he smiles.

[YDload]

The way you ordered that list makes it look like you took the top 50 votes overall instead of the top 5 from each poll. Which is it?

Also it looks like Opeth fanboys take control of another competition :-/

[PinkFreud]

Actually, I took the top 5 from each poll, put them all in Word and arranged them by how many votes they got.

[Battle Against Time]

Actually, I took the top 5 from each poll, put them all in Word and arranged them by how many votes they got.


You should put 1.'s with 1.'s and such. To make someone actually make the hard choice.

[Seafroggys]

any drummer from any genre can sit down and do a rudimental chop fest across the set a la Buddy Rich, so yes you can compare drummers from Classic Rock to Death Metal.

[3rdplanet]

Overall that top 10 isn't bad at all. There is one niggle I have with it though. Being...

Seems fair to me.

I don't think so. Collins is easily top 20 material, 46 is a chronic undervaluation of his ability and musicality.

[eug008]

George Kollias should of been way higher and what the hell is Dave Ghrol doing in the top 50?

[Happy]

Some people think he's a good drummer.
Bleh, he sucks.


Go Portnoy!

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I was hoping for Bonham. Ah well. At least Peart won and not some crappy drummer like Meg White.

[NuMetalMania]

I wasnt keeping up too much with this Polling, what round was Freese in? Danny did well for third, i still think Carey and Portnoy are evens. Freese should have been at about 15-20 i feel.

[Clunge]

Ian Paice should we waaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher.

[Wish]

50. Inferno – 14 :( Oh well, at least he got in.

No Dave McClain :( :(

[Apocalyptic Raids]

You should put 1.'s with 1.'s and such. To make someone actually make the hard choice.
but then at the end you would get people who don't really deserve to be as high as they are, although I guess that usually happens anyway.

[the2stranger]

Inferno's all the way at the bottom of the top 50? Inconceiveable!
My thoughts.

Most of the top 10 is just drummers voted for by fanboyism, not pure skill.
( I know Peart Carrey and the likes are awesome) but still.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Isnt Chad Smith the guy from RHCP?If so,23 is way too high for him.Not even top 50 IMO.

[StreetlightRock]

Yay for Reinert! The list overall.... Its a mix of meh and good.

[Tommi Hendrix]

Mike Mangini should be on that list too.
HE is sick.

[Kosmos Tree]

Since it's a list based on oppinions i don't have much to complain.
Let's get to round 2!

[metal_related_aneurysm]

Wildcard for Brann Dailor plz? :p
Um yeah, I'm happy with Lopez's result. Less happy with Kollias', but he's through, so it's all good.

No Vinnie Paul though -_-

[ashman]

Nice to see Nicko McBrain high on the list there.

As for Dreamtheater, to me, they're music just doesn't have 'atmosphere'. I've got nothing wrong with them, it's just I don't like them, because it seems something is missing from their music.

[rhcp pman]

Isnt Chad Smith the guy from RHCP?If so,23 is way too high for him.Not even top 50 IMO.
Don't underestimate the value of feel/groove in drumming. It's something that Chad Smith is renowned for. And he is capable of a lot more than is shown on studio albums in which Smith's role is a pocket drummer. You have to see his live drumwork as well.

RHCP is my fav band ever, but I went into the drumming section ages ago and said that I didn't think Chad Smith was that great. Basically, I found out I was wrong... so I'm not exactly biased, and I've learned more about drumming since then.

[ARBITER]

Grohl above Billy cobham....thats funny

[superpeer]

Martin Lopez 6th? Puh-lease.

And no Pete Sandoval? Jeez.

[Collis]

Carter Beauford, Ian Paice and Carl Palmer should be a lot higher.

'21. Jon Theodore - 34'

^^ That's cool though, this guy is extremely talented and is improving all the time ... but he will stand no chance against the big guns. The list isn't bad at all though ...

[The Masked Guitarist]

Bill Ward 16!!!!!!!! i think at least top 10 but meahhh good nuff

[Kreator2112]

WTG LOPEZ, it's funny how everyone on here hates chamberlin. One of my friends thinks he's god.

[raz0r]

Martin Lopez 6th? Puh-lease.

And no Pete Sandoval? Jeez.

I know, it's ridiculous.







































He should be in the top 5! :p

[Saxon Priest]

I always felt Clive Burr was better than Nicko in Maiden.


Paice is great though I love his fills and I would've liked to have seen Scott Travis higher.

[Josh]

go Nicko :)

[Devil Inferno]

What about that guy from mithras?

Lopez deserved it though. He's good.

And where's Alex (Rhapsody)?

[Trev]

There's no way Portnoy should have been #2. :(

[Dragon_Prince]

46. Phil Collins - 21 (Way too high)

Lol, don't agree here I think he should be higher :P

I think portnoy is too high

Hey guys, I don't see Travis Barker anywhere. Am I mistaken or something?

It's R&M, the bassist from Green Day was thrown out the lsit because he was in the top 50, some people didn't like that :P

[DillingerEscp]

LOL Chris Pennie number 35 ? Ohh jeez ... Hes wayyy better than portnoy. Lol, even in an interview with dillingers singer he said that Chris would "smoke" him any day...

Chris Pennie should have been at least 2nd ... Whether or not he is better than Neil Peart is deffinetely debatable... But man... 35th is nonsense... Pennie would school any of those drummers any day... Not to say that those drummers arent good... but pennie is just THAT good.

[DillingerEscp]

OH jeez, Im sorry. I didnt mean 35th, I meant 38th .. Lol. Even worse...

[Lord Abortion]

Good to see our Paul made it in.

[PinkFreud]

LOL Chris Pennie number 35 ? Ohh jeez ... Hes wayyy better than portnoy. Lol, even in an interview with dillingers singer he said that Chris would "smoke" him any day...

Chris Pennie should have been at least 2nd ... Whether or not he is better than Neil Peart is deffinetely debatable... But man... 35th is nonsense... Pennie would school any of those drummers any day... Not to say that those drummers arent good... but pennie is just THAT good.
Wow fanboy. Of course Dillinger's singer is going to say that about him. He's good but two is way too high.

Collin's doesn't have the influence, creativity, or technical ability to be higher.

You guys are still forgetting that technical ability isn't (or shouldn't be) the only criteria for greatest.

[YDload]

psst! maybe you should quietly remove grohl and put brann dailor in his place ;)

[Saxon Priest]

Ingo Schwichtenberg from Helloween is really overlooked.

[Kreator2112]

OH jeez, Im sorry. I didnt mean 35th, I meant 38th .. Lol. Even worse...

You know, there is an edit button.

[132WalrusesInMexico]

I agree with the top ten for the most part. I think Danny Carey should have been above Mike Portnoy though. I think hes way more original.

[Battle Against Time]

psst! maybe you should quietly remove grohl and put brann dailor in his place ;)


I second this motion.

[Josh D.]

George Kollias and Flo Mournier should be WAY higher. I know so many of those guys are influential, but this is greatest drummers, which I view in mostly, but not all, in terms of skill, speed, stamina; things that show how good they are. I know many of those drummers are from very influential bands (Bonham, Starr, etc), but in terms of pure ability to play, some are too high. At least Peart and Portnoy got the recognition they deserve.

[Kyle]

I think Chamberlin should definately be in the top 50, he's much more innovative than quite a few drummers on the lift. Or at the very least I think he is more interesting than Chad Smith, Brad Wilk, Dave Grohl and Matt Cameron. I recognise that I'm biased as a Pumpkins fanboy, but I genuinely think he's one of the most interesting drummers around.

Anyway I'm glad him and Theodore got through.

[PinkFreud]

George Kollias and Flo Mournier should be WAY higher. I know so many of those guys are influential, but this is greatest drummers, which I view in mostly, but not all, in terms of skill, speed, stamina; things that show how good they are. I know many of those drummers are from very influential bands (Bonham, Starr, etc), but in terms of pure ability to play, some are too high. At least Peart and Portnoy got the recognition they deserve.
If you're going by pure playing ability, you just contradicted yourself because Portnoy wouldn't be near the top and the list would be filled by drummers who barely any members here have heard of.

By the way, speed has nothing to do with skill. It's the same as on the guitar.

["5150"]

I'm dissappointed that neither Alex Van Halen, Tommy Lee or Matt Sorum are on there.

[Soul_Under_Arrest]

Here are some George Kollias videos you can use for round 2.

Here is nothing but his feet for his double bass. Slow (for him) at first but he speeds it up.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IRQKMkOuDG4&search=George%20Kollias

Cast Down the Heretic
http://youtube.com/watch?v=41CVK6si-sE&search=George%20Kollias

Him doing some stuff for a minute and 26 seconds
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZefvNGHoeAU&search=George%20Kollias

[Shadows Within]

By the way, speed has nothing to do with skill. It's the same as on the guitar.umm yeah it does, even a small part

i really dont see why people think peart is good i've heard drum solos and some of there song with "good drumming" and havent been impressed. i havent heard anything too decent from portony.

[Soul_Under_Arrest]

Speed is nothing but a tool to be used. It can make things harder to play but it can also limit what you can play at that speed.

[Shadows Within]

then what makes a drummer good :confused:

[Collis]

then what makes a drummer good :confused:

Er, playing the drums so that they sound good? Isn't that what all instruments are about?

[h8pop]

good to see bonhams place and totally agree with where brad wilk is. yes travis barker is not there for a perfectly good and agreeable reason

[Lunch]

Originality, creativity, coordination, techinical ability, innovation, influence, ability to play with the music and add to the music, etc.

[Futuro]

then what makes a drummer good :confused:Not speed, that is for damn sure. IMO when someone has entered the "super advanced world of drumming" you know it.

Being good is simple. Most rock drummers are good.

Being great is having the ability to modulate time and phrases to which they dont make sense yet are musical. OR Being influental.


Er, playing the drums so that they sound good? Isn't that what all instruments are about?Travis barker is a piece of garbage, yet his drumming sounds "good"

[Shadows Within]

Originality, creativity, coordination, techinical ability, innovation, influence, ability to play with the music and add to the music, etc.
Coordination, technically ability and innovation I can see I guess...

Er, playing the drums so that they sound good? Isn't that what all instruments are about?
nope

[pulseczar]

37. Jimmy Chamberlin – 25 (Shouldn't be top 50)


whaaaaaaaaaaaat, yes he should. One of the best of the 90s. Better than mutha****ing Dave Grohl anyway.

[JAStewart]

Tim Alexander [33] should have been way higher. Above Brain [20] for sure.

Listen to Primus - Eleven to see why.

[Dragon_Prince]

Guess I'm also missing the guy from Golden Earring

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Glad to see Nicko McBrain up there, and Mike Portnoy.

I'm assuming that Lars Ulrich got totally flamed when this first started :P

NOTE : For the dude unimpressed with Portnoy, listen to Dream Theater's 'As I Am'. I think the drum solo is in the final minute or so. Fooking quality.

[Futuro]

Glad to see Nicko McBrain up there, and Mike Portnoy.

I'm assuming that Lars Ulrich got totally flamed when this first started :P

NOTE : For the dude unimpressed with Portnoy, listen to Dream Theater's 'As I Am'. I think the drum solo is in the final minute or so. Fooking quality.
No, no its not. Really its not. Back in the 70s guys like Lenny White were originating the idea behind the hand/kick counting patterns(Which by todays standard is just a way to fill up a part with tom/bass notes). Portnoy just sped it up.

[Bfhurricane]

Im no fanboy, though Dream Theater is one of my favorite bands, and Portnoys range is huge when it comes to drumming. MOST bands have similar styles among all their songs (with the exception of a rock band with mostly rock songs and a few ballads that are totally different). BUT Dream Theater isn't metal, rock, alternative, classic, speed, or ambience-oriented. theyre EVERYTHING, there isn't one genre you can put any of their albums into cause every song is different. Thats why they fall into Progressive Metal, one song you just hear portnoy shredding on the drumset and the next song you hear a totally new, completely innovative, skillful beautifil playing. Im not claiming Portnoy to be God or anything, but because his skill range is tremendous i believe he definitely deserves to be known as one of todays greatest drummers

[The Door Mouse]

the top 3 should defenatly go

peart
bonham
moon

[Seafroggys]

^^^um, no! The top 3 should be Moon, Mitchell, and Paice.

Heh, damn fanboys. ;)

What makes a drummer good? Groove.

[PinkFreud]

Im no fanboy, though Dream Theater is one of my favorite bands, and Portnoys range is huge when it comes to drumming. MOST bands have similar styles among all their songs (with the exception of a rock band with mostly rock songs and a few ballads that are totally different). BUT Dream Theater isn't metal, rock, alternative, classic, speed, or ambience-oriented. theyre EVERYTHING, there isn't one genre you can put any of their albums into cause every song is different. Thats why they fall into Progressive Metal, one song you just hear portnoy shredding on the drumset and the next song you hear a totally new, completely innovative, skillful beautifil playing. Im not claiming Portnoy to be God or anything, but because his skill range is tremendous i believe he definitely deserves to be known as one of todays greatest drummers
I don't agree. You even said it yourself. They fall into the genre of progressive metal. How is that, in any way, vague? He's good but that's all.

[Lunch]

No you're wrong because Portnoy is my favorite drummer. He's so good that no one in the world can listen to him and possibly get bored or think that he is anything less than the best drummer ever. In fact, Dream Theater has found musical perfection in all their songs that makes them automaticly appeal to everyone, thus no one can find them boring. Complete perfection. No one's opinion can differ from this ever, because then you would be completely incorrect.

[Shadows Within]

What makes a drummer good? Groove.
how does that make them good?

[Shadows Within]

becuz they dunt fukk baboons in the butt lyk u do
lots of gimmick accounts tonight...

[Soul_Under_Arrest]

No you're wrong because Portnoy is my favorite drummer. He's so good that no one in the world can listen to him and possibly get bored or think that he is anything less than the best drummer ever. In fact, Dream Theater has found musical perfection in all their songs that makes them automaticly appeal to everyone, thus no one can find them boring.

I must have missed that memo.

[Shadows Within]

No you're wrong because Portnoy is my favorite drummer. He's so good that no one in the world can listen to him and possibly get bored or think that he is anything less than the best drummer ever. In fact, Dream Theater has found musical perfection in all their songs that makes them automaticly appeal to everyone, thus no one can find them boring.
Joking I hope?

[Shadows Within]

someone needs an IP ban...

[Soul_Under_Arrest]

no your just gay fagboy

So I'm a happy boy that's a large bundle of sticks used to light things? Wow, thanks for the complement! :thumb:

[Shadows Within]

that won't work

im on a proxy bitch
they have there ways im sure

[lost_profits]

If anyone's wondering why Jon Theodore (the mars volta) is quite high up the list, then I will say this: the guy is an absolute machine. I've got a DVD of Mars Volta and I had no idea how good he was. The only thing against him is experience in the music biz.

A lot of choices on the list are slightly confusing.

Dave Lombardo with 55 votes? If Slayer weren't so influential he wouldn't be revered so much. Good drummer, but Pete Sandoval, Richard Christy are better exponents of that style of drumming.

Brad Wilk? The guy from RATM? No way should he be top 50.

John Dolmayan is a decent nu-metal drummer, but shouldn't be here. Wheres Ben Koller from Converge? Chris Adler is way too high. He's only above average compared to some names below him.

[Bfhurricane]

Because Dream Theater is a progressive metal band, Portnoy isn't bound to just producing blistering fast double bass and angry lightning-quick hits on his set, and he isn't bound to making his drums encompass an entire orchestra. He does both (and more) and I think he is more varied in style than any other drummer out there.

and Lunch, I take it you were being sarcastic, correct? I never said no one can find dream theater boring im not here to defend them or anything, im just justifying my opinions

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Dave Lombardo with 55 votes? If Slayer weren't so influential he wouldn't be revered so much.
One of the reasons Slayer are so influential is Lombardo's drumming. Guys like Pete Sandoval and Richard Christy owe alot to what Lombardo was doing in the mid-80's.

[lost_profits]

BobbyJones the 3rd,

The reason you inherit the title "Bobby Jones The 3rd" is simple. Really quite simple.
Your grandfather, Bobby Jones Snr was slowly dying from an unknown growth on his hip. Before his end, he and your grandmother gave birth to a child who seemingly had everything going for him...
Your father Bobby Jones Jnr was a mute, cross-dressing ticket warden. He made love to a parking ticket booth which was wrapped up in a dress and a picture from a playboy magazine taped to the top. This disgraceful unity lasted about five minutes. Out of that unity came a child with no name. Since there was no legitimate mother to give the baby a name, your father wrote down the number "3" on your forehead. Symbolically, the number 3 suited you ..3rd in line..A bronze medal...Runner up in life...

[PinkFreud]

Because Dream Theater is a progressive metal band, Portnoy isn't bound to just producing blistering fast double bass and angry lightning-quick hits on his set, and he isn't bound to making his drums encompass an entire orchestra. He does both (and more) and I think he is more varied in style than any other drummer out there.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we had studio drummers and session extraordinaire's on this list. I must've been wrong. Wait....I see Gadd....and Colaiuta....and Freese....and so many more who are more diverse than Portnoy. I think he's quite limitied in his style, to the point where it's a definite weak point in his playing.

[lost_profits]

One of the reasons Slayer are so influential is Lombardo's drumming. Guys like Pete Sandoval and Richard Christy owe alot to what Lombardo was doing in the mid-80's.

And that's fine. My point is what's wrong with the apprentice being better than the master? Lombardo started a style, was very good at it, but for me other drummers have improved on it. It's the same as John Bonham...He'll always win because "he did it first".

[Seafroggys]

It's the same as John Bonham...He'll always win because "he did it first".

Even thats debatable.....Deep Purple was around about a year before Zep, and Ian Paice did the same stuff Bonham did plus some.

[John Paul Harrison]

^^^um, no! The top 3 should be Moon, Mitchell, and Paice.

Heh, damn fanboys. ;)

What makes a drummer good? Groove.

Are you sugesting that Bonham...has no groove?

[Jacaranda]

Just going to go ahead and say the top three should actually be:
Stephen Perkins
Charlie Watts
Who am I kidding, I can't even name three drummers. That doesn't matter cause drummers kind of blow!

Are you sugesting that Bonham...has no groove?
Lets just say he ain't no James Brown.

[pulseczar]

Are you sugesting that Bonham...has no groove?

Well duh, whitey can't groove.

Wait a minute... they're all white!

[Duncster]

Brad Wilk? The guy from RATM? No way should he be top 50.

Sure he does. I'd say He has a better groove then Chad Smith.

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

when is the next round's poll gona be posted?

[Seafroggys]

Just going to go ahead and say the top three should actually be:
Stephen Perkins
Charlie Watts
Who am I kidding, I can't even name three drummers. That doesn't matter cause drummers kind of blow!


I take offense to that!

[niobium]

Hmm. No Danny Heifetz.

[moogoogaipan]

man redo the whole list.
Who the hell voted for those cats anyway. I could make a better top 50 by myself... I wouldn't expect to know what a good drummer sounds like anyway.



why is this even in the rock thread... histories greatest drummers were jazz drummers...
the best classic rock drummer (John Bonham) had jazz training, that's why he got where he did.

[Jacaranda]

I could make a better top 50 by myself... I wouldn't expect to know what a good drummer sounds like anyway.
Of course you could. I'm sure a 13 blink 182 fan says the same thing but does that make their list any better or more respectable? No. Because its your opinion. I think the list is fine, you win some and you lose a lot more.

[moogoogaipan]

No. Because its your opinion. I think the list is fine, you win some and you lose a lot more.
it's not my opinion, it's historical fact...

[PinkFreud]

man redo the whole list.
Who the hell voted for those cats anyway. I could make a better top 50 by myself... I wouldn't expect to know what a good drummer sounds like anyway.

No Tony Williams, no Elvin Jones, no Buddy fuking Rich, no Roy Haynes, no Harvey Mason, no Bernard Purdie... you guys are retarded

why is this even in the rock thread... histories greatest drummers were jazz drummers...
the best classic rock drummer (John Bonham) had jazz training, that's why he got where he did.
Ummmm....because this is actually 100 Greatest Rock and Metal drummers? It's just not labeled that way. It's not the best list but I'm sure plenty of people would have a problem with your list.

And Bonham's not the best classic rock drummer.

[moogoogaipan]

Ummmm....because this is actually 100 Greatest Rock and Metal drummers? It's just not labeled that way. It's not the best list but I'm sure plenty of people would have a problem with your list.

And Bonham's not the best classic rock drummer.
haha.. I didn't catch that... it's not labelled histories greatest rock drummers on the thread title... so I was like WTF is with these people.
I agree with some of them I guess... it's still a crappy list.
are there any actual drummer participating in this?

[Seafroggys]

don't worry, moogoo, i'm representin'!

[Jacaranda]

PF supposably drums but I think he just likes to touch sticks.

[PinkFreud]

haha.. I didn't catch that... it's not labelled histories greatest rock drummers on the thread title... so I was like WTF is with these people.
I agree with some of them I guess... it's still a crappy list.
are there any actual drummer participating in this?
I drum. There are a few others too. However, this isn't going by all technicality (or shouldn't be) so non-drummers should still be on fairly equal footing.

Edit: JACARANDA SO FUNNI!

[moogoogaipan]

don't worry, moogoo, i'm representin'!
hell yea... good.

to PinkFreud: Still, technicality is never an issue when I choose. I mean some of histories greatest drummers overall (Max Roach in particular) didn't possess super clean chops, but they still had better musicality. And as elitist as it sounds, you can't trust someone who's been "playing" music for 4 years to know what true musicality is... but I know, this is an internet forum, so I doesn't really matter, but it does to me.

[PinkFreud]

I think you can. I've only been "playing" music for about two and feel that I know quite a bit about music. I even know a lot about instruments I don't play. I read whatever I can get ahold of, I belong to multiple forums, and I talk to a lot of people about music, all the time. Not everyone is like that but I think a good number of our forum members are.

[moogoogaipan]

I think you can. I've only been "playing" music for about two and feel that I know quite a bit about music. I even know a lot about instruments I don't play. I read whatever I can get ahold of, I belong to multiple forums, and I talk to a lot of people about music, all the time. Not everyone is like that but I think a good number of our forum members are.
that's fantastic... at least your adamant about it.
I hate it when I'm in the dorm hallways and I see that almost everyone in the hallway has a guitar, but no one really knows how to utilize it.
They don't know how to improvise using just basic theory and they don't care either...

but trust me... I've been playing for 7 years... after this many years of hard active training (pretty much non-stop) I look back and think, what the hell was wrong with me... your views will change and certain concepts will become much more clear to you

[Seafroggys]

PF, do me one favor, and never put Moon and Peart in the same poll until the end. :)

[Maggot Dream]

Because Dream Theater is a progressive metal band, Portnoy isn't bound to just producing blistering fast double bass and angry lightning-quick hits on his set, and he isn't bound to making his drums encompass an entire orchestra. He does both (and more) and I think he is more varied in style than any other drummer out there.
Sorry, but you're wrong on that one. He is very limited. Prime example: His fills are pretty much limited to 2s, 4s, and 6s going back and forth between hands and feet. He admits this. It's his signature move, and while it sounds great, it's almost all he does. Yeah, he's great on theory, i.e. odd time signatures, but otherwise he is fairly limited. This is also apparent in his rhythms, as he keeps to pretty much the same basic style of the heavy hihat groove, with some variations thrown in.

Now listen to someone like Neal Peart. He goes from Afro-Cuban influenced rhythms to intricate fills and back, incorporating intricate hihat grooves and all those tiny little nuances that make his drumming so difficult to replicate. You can hear his variety within one song, and it's apparent through his career.

[Moses]

Mike Portnoy used to be really great. Just listen to the first couple seconds of 6:00 on Awake. Now he's lost everything pretty much.

[pye phyo ko]

uhhhh.

[DillingerEscp]

Wow fanboy. Of course Dillinger's singer is going to say that about him. He's good but two is way too high.

Collin's doesn't have the influence, creativity, or technical ability to be higher.

You guys are still forgetting that technical ability isn't (or shouldn't be) the only criteria for greatest.

You're absolutely right, technical ability should not be the only criteria, and unfortunately there are no videos of chris pennie online, especially of his drum clinics. Im telling you. Chris Pennie is one of the greatest drummers around, hands down.

But Chris Pennie has way more going for him than just technical ability, he has a huge jazz backround, african tribal drumming, you name it, he does it. Hes the kind of guy who you can sit in any situation, and hell pull it off with absolute perfection, and I say this not because Im a huge fan of the band, I say it because after studying drums for 10 years, then hearing him play. I was awe struck at the genious of it.
Plus the reason why I got into Dillinger was the drumming, then everything else came soon thereafter.

[PinkFreud]

You're absolutely right, technical ability should not be the only criteria, and unfortunately there are no videos of chris pennie online, especially of his drum clinics. Im telling you. Chris Pennie is one of the greatest drummers around, hands down.

But Chris Pennie has way more going for him than just technical ability, he has a huge jazz backround, african tribal drumming, you name it, he does it. Hes the kind of guy who you can sit in any situation, and hell pull it off with absolute perfection, and I say this not because Im a huge fan of the band, I say it because after studying drums for 10 years, then hearing him play. I was awe struck at the genious of it.
Plus the reason why I got into Dillinger was the drumming, then everything else came soon thereafter.
Um, that's still technical ability.

Believe me, I know how great he is. I have a bunch of Dillinger stuff. He's incredibly talented. I just don't think he's GREAT.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Does anyone else think Matt from Mudvayne could be on this list?

[h8pop]

whaaaaaaaaaaaat, yes he should. One of the best of the 90s. Better than mutha****ing Dave Grohl anyway.
well sed son, well sed

[penelope weird hands]

I'm fine with the list.
It's just a shame that Brann Dailor didn't make it, and someone like Grohl did.
Grohl is great. Just not on drums. He's a songwriter, really.

Anyway, I'm happy that Lopez, Pennie, Theodore, Chamberlin, Alexander and Mantia are in. :thumb:
Easily my favourites from the list.

Now the competition really begins.

[crag]

8. Nicko McBrain – 59


45. Dave Mackintosh – 22


Nice to see that these 2 made it through:)

[DillingerEscp]

Um, that's still technical ability.

Believe me, I know how great he is. I have a bunch of Dillinger stuff. He's incredibly talented. I just don't think he's GREAT.
okay, if its technical ability, thats fine... But its also an incredible diversity that not many people have. During live shows he has to go from blast beats, to latin grooves, to complex jazz pieces. Its not just the fact that he can play all these different types of drumming, but its that he can play them flawlessly. He is great.

[Kyle]

It's just a shame that Brann Dailor didn't make it, and someone like Grohl did.Wait, Brann didn't get through? That sucks:angry:

[PinkFreud]

okay, if its technical ability, thats fine... But its also an incredible diversity that not many people have. During live shows he has to go from blast beats, to latin grooves, to complex jazz pieces. Its not just the fact that he can play all these different types of drumming, but its that he can play them flawlessly. He is great.
Dude. Listen up because it's the last time I'll say it. He's an amazing drummer but I don't think he is GREAT in the sense that he's not innovative enough, influential enough, and just plain hasn't been around long enough to establish himself nor has he made a huge splash. That's all. Believe me, I love him too. But for god's sake, STOP SOUNDING LIKE SUCH A FANBOY.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Nice to see that these 2 made it through:)
It isn't really

[YDload]

Nicko McBrain is way better than Tommy Lee, don't even kid yourself.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I meant the DragonForce guy. I don't like Iron Maiden so I don't care about the other guy.

[DillingerEscp]

Dude. Listen up because it's the last time I'll say it. He's an amazing drummer but I don't think he is GREAT in the sense that he's not innovative enough, influential enough, and just plain hasn't been around long enough to establish himself nor has he made a huge splash. That's all. Believe me, I love him too. But for god's sake, STOP SOUNDING LIKE SUCH A FANBOY.

Not innovative or influential enough ? Lol ... no. hes been around for almost a decade enough and he has made a huge splash actually. I dont know how to not sound like a fanboy I guess.

[PinkFreud]

Whoooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh. A WHOLE DECADE!? HOLY CHRIST I HAD NO IDEA!!!!! I ONLY HAVE 4 DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN RELEASES AKAKAKAKAKAKA!!!!!!!!

What the hell, dude? Accept that he is NOT innovative or influential enough to run with the big dogs in this competition, especially not the NUMBER 2 spot that you feel he should have. Seriously. This isn't a matter of you being a gigantic fanboy, it's common sense. What huge splash? I mean, fine, try to explain your stance. Go ahead. I'm interested in what you'll try to come up with.

[YDload]

I think a top 100 songwriters poll would be great... HOWEVER, it would inevitably run into some traps:

Some people think that songwriter = writing only the lyrics, and that the person who writes the lyrics MUST be the singer. Geezer Butler wrote most Black Sabbath lyrics, but for nearly every band the lyrics AND the music are a collaborative effort within the group as a whole.

Plus, sometimes it's impossible to know who wrote a given band's songs when they share songwriting credit among themselves, so giving one person credit in a competition like that would be tough.

Overall, the top 5 would inevitably be Bob Dylan, Mikael Akerfeldt, David Gilmour, James Hetfield, aaaaand Maynard. Fanboys would ruin everything except for a reluctantly agreed-upon top spot, like always!

[PinkFreud]

Lyricists would be a good competition, I guess.

Still, more of the drummers poll when I get around to it.

[guitrguy]

Lyricists would be a good competition, I guess.

Still, more of the drummers poll when I get around to it.
I can tell you this right now Mikael Alkerfeldt you probably take it.


Overall, the top 5 would inevitably be Bob Dylan, Mikael Akerfeldt, David Gilmour, James Hetfield, aaaaand Maynard. Fanboys would ruin everything except for a reluctantly agreed-upon top spot, like always!
Do you mean Roger Waters?

[Dave de Sylvia]

I can tell you this right now Mikael Alkerfeldt you probably take it.
Or Maynard. James Hetfield will be up there too for his outstanding contribution to songs that say "death" or "DIE!" a lot.

[guitrguy]

Or Maynard. James Hetfield will be up there too for his outstanding contribution to songs that say "death" or "DIE!" a lot.
True about Maynard. The would most likely be the top 2.

[PinkFreud]

Nah. Dylan all the way.

[guitrguy]

Nah. Dylan all the way.
There aren't enough CR fans to overtake the Tool or Opeth Fanboys.

[PinkFreud]

YOu don't have to like cr to realize that Dylan is the greatest lyricist in the history of music.

[guitrguy]

YOu don't have to like cr to realize that Dylan is the greatest lyricist in the history of music.
Hahah man I love Dylan, but I'm just say the bias of Tool fans, and Opeth fans will over take Dylan.

[YDload]

Do you mean Roger Waters?

See, there's an indication of the problem! Waters wrote a lot of the lyrics but Gilmour wrote most of the music. Where do you give the credit? Maybe the vote will be split, like in the singers competition.

Speaking of the singers' polls, Freddie Mercury won despite all the fanboys. He's more or less considered the "best" regardless of bias, and that's why I think Dylan would win a lyricist/songwriters poll :)

[DillingerEscp]

Whoooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh. A WHOLE DECADE!? HOLY CHRIST I HAD NO IDEA!!!!! I ONLY HAVE 4 DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN RELEASES AKAKAKAKAKAKA!!!!!!!!

What the hell, dude? Accept that he is NOT innovative or influential enough to run with the big dogs in this competition, especially not the NUMBER 2 spot that you feel he should have. Seriously. This isn't a matter of you being a gigantic fanboy, it's common sense. What huge splash? I mean, fine, try to explain your stance. Go ahead. I'm interested in what you'll try to come up with.
*shakes head* you're an idiot dude.

[DillingerEscp]

Carter Beauford, Ian Paice and Carl Palmer should be a lot higher.

'21. Jon Theodore - 34'

^^ That's cool though, this guy is extremely talented and is improving all the time ... but he will stand no chance against the big guns. The list isn't bad at all though ...

agreed, carter beauford should be much higher.

[guitrguy]

*shakes head* you're an idiot dude.
He actually quite right, Pennie is doing nothing that other tech metal drummers don't do. He does nothing to set himself aside besides playing in a Patton project.

[DillingerEscp]

Actually, PinkFrued... thinking of what you said about Chris not beingg innovative or influential ... It really leads me to no other conclusion besides that you have no idea what you are talking about... Like, you dont think he should be number 2, fine, thats your opinion ... But I dont think you realize how many amazing young drummers chris pennie has influenced. Into the Moat has an amazing drummer, Im not a huge fan of their music, but he is an awesome young drummer, and he cites pennie as one of his main influences.

Pennie has influenced tons of drummers.


BTBAM
Arsis
Necrophagist (newer album, not older)
ion dissonance
Fear Before the March of Flames
Undying
System of a Down
Gorguts.
The Bronx
Behold the arctopus
Meshuggah (both drummers influenced eachother really)

I could go on dude, Ive heard all these drummers cite pennie as either amazing, or an influence.
and lol... I just cant begin to destroy your "hes not innovative" argument... you really have no idea what you are talking about.

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

i asked the question before but no one answered, so im gona ask again. When is the next round of the Drummer Poll?

[DillingerEscp]

He actually quite right, Pennie is doing nothing that other tech metal drummers don't do. He does nothing to set himself aside besides playing in a Patton project.

besides the fact that calculating came out in '99.. way before this surge of tech metal, and the fact that his parts are much more complex than many other tech bands. and besides the fact that my previous post points out that a ton of tech bands today take influence from him.

[guitrguy]

besides the fact that calculating came out in '99.. way before this surge of tech metal, and the fact that his parts are much more complex than many other tech bands. and besides the fact that my previous post points out that a ton of tech bands today take influence from him.
Says you

Meshuggah Released their EP in '89 I'm pretty damn sure Haake is much more influential.

Being a fanboy make your agruement less convinving (not that it was to begin with)

One last thing, complexity does not mena you are creative in way. Take look a at Malmsteem if you need an example.

[Duncster]

besides the fact that calculating came out in '99.. way before this surge of tech metal, and the fact that his parts are much more complex than many other tech bands. and besides the fact that my previous post points out that a ton of tech bands today take influence from him.
Lemme lend some advice. Change your name. Having the name or part of the name of a band in your name will make all your arguments towards that band irrelevant as you are a fanboy and all youir oppinions are bias. Trust me :lol:. I put in to get my name changed but never got a reply.

Edit: I do agree with you partially though. My good buddy is also a musicaholic and he used to always talk about how amazing and diverse Pennie is. I think if you didn't say he should be second and just said he should be on it you wouldn't have had much of an argument.

[guitrguy]

Lemme lend some advice. Change your name. Having the name or part of the name of a band in your name will make all your arguments towards that band irrelevant as you are a fanboy and all youir oppinions are bias. Trust me :lol:. I put in to get my name changed but never got a reply.
Name changes sometimes take a while.

[Duncster]

^Yeah I'm sure WM is on it.

[DillingerEscp]

Ohh okay, because I have dillingerescp as my name it makes me a fanboy.. well I guess it would seem that way

I really dont listen to dillinger all that much though anyway. Ive just had this name for forever, and its easy for me to remember with all the forums I go to, and all that internet crap.

but the way I got into dillinger was my old drum teacher who trained me for 8 years. he came into a practice one day... this was shortly after calulating was released... about around 2000, and he just sat me down and was like... Listen to this ****ing drummer.. blah blah, he put it on, and we both just sat and listened. I remember him telling me all about how he had never heard someone so diverse, doing seemingly every musical genre on one cd.

My drum teacher is obnoxiously well versed in funk/jazz/blues drumming. He enjoyed some metal, but not very much, and to hear him speak of a drummer the way he did was really odd and rare, but then when I listened, and heard how ridiculously clean, intricate, and abstruse his playing way, I just became in awe of him.

[Dave de Sylvia]

OK, but you'll have to understand the difference between what you like in his playing and the measured effect he's had on the wider music world/genre.

[PinkFreud]

Actually, PinkFrued... thinking of what you said about Chris not beingg innovative or influential ... It really leads me to no other conclusion besides that you have no idea what you are talking about... Like, you dont think he should be number 2, fine, thats your opinion ... But I dont think you realize how many amazing young drummers chris pennie has influenced. Into the Moat has an amazing drummer, Im not a huge fan of their music, but he is an awesome young drummer, and he cites pennie as one of his main influences.

Pennie has influenced tons of drummers.


BTBAM
Arsis
Necrophagist (newer album, not older)
ion dissonance
Fear Before the March of Flames
Undying
System of a Down
Gorguts.
The Bronx
Behold the arctopus
Meshuggah (both drummers influenced eachother really)

I could go on dude, Ive heard all these drummers cite pennie as either amazing, or an influence.
and lol... I just cant begin to destroy your "hes not innovative" argument... you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Dude. I'm definitely not an idiot and I DO believe I know what I'm talking about. Seriously. You are WAY underestimating the other drummers in this poll. Compare Pennie's so called "influence" to that of Peart's or Bruford's or Bonam's or most of the other names who deserve to be up here.

Now you do your argument on his innovation. That one should be funny too.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Carey ftw, folks

/fanboy sry

[GiB]

Bonham should be #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

[guitrguy]

My drum teacher is obnoxiously well versed in funk/jazz/blues drumming. He enjoyed some metal, but not very much, and to hear him speak of a drummer the way he did was really odd and rare, but then when I listened, and heard how ridiculously clean, intricate, and abstruse his playing way, I just became in awe of him.So... this did not make your point. I teach guitar, but it doesn't mean that if I really dig a certain guitarist he is one of the most innovative players ever. So just because your drumming instructer really likes him it does not mean he is the most innovative, or influential. Granted he probably influence so drummers, but not really enough to be considered a truely influential drummer.

[Aus_rock_god]

1. Neil Peart – 108
2. Mike Portnoy – 94
3. Danny Carey - 92
4. John Bonham – 81
5. Sean Reinert – 68
6. Martin Lopez - 68
7. Keith Moon – 65
8. Nicko McBrain – 59
9. Bill Bruford – 57
10. Ginger Baker - 55
11. Dave Lombardo – 55
12. Richard Christy - 52
13. Gene Hoglan - 45
14. Hellhammer - 43
15. Flo Mournier – 40
16. Bill Ward - 40
17. Vinnie Colaiuta - 37
18. Terry Bozzio – 37 <----- WTF????:angry:
19. Tomas Haake – 35
20. Brian “Brain” Mantia - 34
21. Jon Theodore - 34
22. Mitch Mitchell – 33
23. Chad Smith - 32
24. Steve Gadd - 32
25. Ian Paice – 32
26. Dave Grohl - 32 (Stupid)
27. Billy Cobham - 30
28. Ringo Starr - 30
29. Carl Palmer – 30
30. Scott Travis – 30
31. Josh Freese – 28
32. Chris Adler – 28
33. Tim Alexander - 27
34. Brad Wilk – 27
35. Bobby Jarzombek - 26
36. Steve Flynn – 26
37. Jimmy Chamberlin – 25 (Shouldn't be top 50)
38. Chris Pennie – 25
39. Stewart Copeland - 25
40. Dino Campanella – 24
41. Paul Mazurkiewicz - 24
42. Tony Laureano – 23
43. George Kollias – 23
44. Matt Cameron – 22
45. Dave Mackintosh – 22
46. Phil Collins - 21 (Way too high)
47. Nick Menza - 18
48. Carter Beauford – 18
49. John Dolmayan – 18
50. Inferno – 14

Yep. Discuss disappointments.

Not even in the top 10???? The guy can play circles around Neil Peart!

[Duncster]

Yeah Vinnie should never be ahead of Bozzio. Er wait, they tied. Coincidence? :p

[Jacaranda]

So how about you get that second round started.

[masada]

Flo Mournier and Jon Theodore are my favorites there.

Never been a big Peart man, really.

[rhcp pman]

Not even in the top 10???? The guy can play circles around Neil Peart!
But can he prove his originality/creativity by expressing himself through drums? Can he bring geometrical ideas into drumming like Carey? Can he create a drumming experience as radical as O Baterista, like Peart?

I'm not saying he can't, as I haven't heard enough Bozzio (I like what I've heard though). But there's more than technicality at stake here.

[black guy]

Can he brings geometrical ideas into drumming like Carey?
I don't even know what this means.

[rhcp pman]

I don't even know what this means.
Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Carey) is a link which mentions geometry (as in the branch of maths). Tool is mysterious, and they have a sense of humour so I wouldn't take everything you hear about/from them seriously. But he definitely has used the Fibonacci sequence in his drumming in the song Parabola.

Oh, and sorry about the typo. It should be "can he bring". I swear my keyboard is playing games with me lately.

[PinkFreud]

RHCP Man, he certainly CAN do all those things.

Jac, keep your women's sized pants on. I've been working.

[Joe]

Nah. Vinnie should definitely be above Colaiuta.

RHCP Man, he certainly CAN do all those things.

Jac, keep your women's sized pants on. I've been working.

17. Vinnie Colaiuta - 37

Am I missing something or is that a typo? Did you just say one guy should be above himself?

Anyways, not too bad of a list. Yes there are some bad choices, but it will be easy to get rid of them in the next round.

[PinkFreud]

Am I missing something or is that a typo? Did you just say one guy should be above himself?

Anyways, not too bad of a list. Yes there are some bad choices, but it will be easy to get rid of them in the next round.
Er, yeah. Haha. And then I rethought it and decided that Bozzio should be above Colaiuta. But Colaiuta's still a better all-around player.

[HNLzero]

28. Ringo Starr - 30


lmfao

[HNLzero]

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Carey) is a link which mentions geometry (as in the branch of maths). Tool is mysterious, and they have a sense of humour so I wouldn't take everything you hear about/from them seriously. But he definitely has used the Fibonacci sequence in his drumming in the song Parabola.

Oh, and sorry about the typo. It should be "can he bring". I swear my keyboard is playing games with me lately.
But can he add grove and feeling to a song?

[PinkFreud]

Who are you asking about? Carey? Because he can.

[HNLzero]

oicoic

[Seafroggys]

28. Ringo Starr - 30


lmfao

don't make me pull up my essay, bitch!

[Joe]

don't make me pull up my essay, bitch!

I'm laughing too. Sure he played a few good songs, but he's nothing special.

[slimjim1001]

i agree travis barker should be there although technically its punk - does that qualify? if you're following roots of music it does. also - joey jordison not in top 5! wtf?

[Seafroggys]

Alright, I'm pulling it out, bitches!

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12120476&postcount=53

Travis and Joey are overrated as hell. They're fine in their genre, but its not saying much. Everybody on that list is better then those two.

[slimjim1001]

another i just noticed...........if this is rock / metal drumming.......where the F*CK is john bonham! only the most driving drummer in rock......where would led zeppelin be without him! sort yourselves out!

[Dragon_Prince]

look at number 4 :P

[Futuro]

Alright, I'm pulling it out, bitches!

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12120476&postcount=53

Travis and Joey are overrated as hell. They're fine in their genre, but its not saying much. Everybody on that list is better then those two.
Dino C is a really good drummer actually...

[MBS]

I'm thinking Riva is going to 100 Greatest Modern Bands or something. But isn't their more polls for this one?

Riva's doing metal; I'm doing classic/modern rock.

[Duncster]

i agree travis barker should be there although technically its punk - does that qualify? if you're following roots of music it does. also - joey jordison not in top 5! wtf?
get out.

[guitrguy]

i agree travis barker should be there although technically its punk - does that qualify? if you're following roots of music it does. also - joey jordison not in top 5! wtf?
Joey Jordison is an average drummer, Travis is average as well, but the lacking of musical in the other two members make him appear to be better. He is a PUNK drummer, there is no way around it.

[erock]

Grohl is way underrated. He is a ****ing good drummer, and i don't even like foo fighters much.

[Futuro]

Grohl is way underrated. He is a ****ing good drummer, and i don't even like foo fighters much.
He drummed for Nirvana I thought.

[Lunch]

Grohl is way underrated. He is a ****ing good drummer, and i don't even like foo fighters much.

He's certainly not underrated in the list on page 1. He's ahead of Cobham and Palmer.

[guitrguy]

He drummed for Nirvana I thought.
He did, he plays guitar and sings for the Foo Fighters.

[Jacaranda]

Meh Grohl is nothing special. And thats a fact.

[guitrguy]

Meh Grohl is nothing special. And thats a fact.
Compared to you he is very special.

[Jacaranda]

Any one is special compared to me. Yes, even Tool.