Fool in the rain or how to practice shuffles with a click!

[CARMEN77]

Hello all im trying to learn fool in the rain. My teacher tabbed it out, but i am finding it rather difficult to play it in shuffle feel...How does one go about learning a song when it isnt in straight 8th. Its hard to get that feel when you are playing along to a click...
Thanks for any advice.

[_Austin_]

Remember that a shuffle is the first and last note of a triplet with a rest after the first note of the triplet...

As the triplet is made of three notes and you play the first and last ones and have a rest in-between, When you actually play the first of the two consecutive notes you are actually playing the third note of the triplet, but it SOUNDS like the first...

DONT let this throw you off, What SOUNDS like the second note of the shuffle feel, is actaully the FIRST, and is the note that should be on the beat of the click.

I can write it out on paper and scan it for you if thats confused you...

Second, to get the feel of a shuffle, you need to think of playing a triplet but missing the second of the three notes out...

A shuffle feel groove isn't a feel that is easily acquired, basically because it doesnt have a natural/regular feel to it.

As long as you think of breaking a triplet up in this way, then you should be golden :)

Also, if you are practicing what the thread title suggests, then i recommend taking it as SLOW AS YOU CAN until you can play it... ONLY then, should you speed it up.

Happy to help :D
-Austin

[jalel]

get a click which can do triplet pulses (i.e. Tama Rythym watch). :thumb:

[CARMEN77]

RATM i didnt really get what you said...Lemme tell you how my teacher wrote the groove for fool in the rain...



123+4
bb-g b
1234
s----b
That is bass on 1st and 3nd count, ghost note on the and of 3 and bass on 4th. Next measure is 1st on snare and 4th on bass.

[Ellx]

Quad edit: I'll take that out so people don't get mislead with my ****ty tabbing.

Triple edit: Ok really, **** this its too hard to tab it out.

Edit: Ok I think I got it.

double edit: Ok I got it completly wrong lol, I'll keep trying.

[CARMEN77]

he wrote it as a standard 4/4.

First measure is 4 notes on high hat with a shuffle feel.
Under those 4 high hats, it would be BASS on 1 2 and 4.
Ghost note on the and of 3.

2nd measure is bass on 4, snare on 1.

Ill try to scan his writing and upload it.

[Ellx]

Ahh ok, so I was like a mile off. Oh well, thats what teachers are for eh?

[White Riot!]

1 a-2 a-3 a-4 a-

simple. use your ears

[Ellx]

I tried tabbing that out if you were talking to me, but it didn't work out, I would really like to see you try to tab out that beat seriously though.

[White Riot!]

Tab is stupid and worthless , try buying the sheet music

Hopeless Tab =
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6940/fool5ai.jpg

Notation of a standard shuffles
http://www.littlephil.free-online.co.uk/graphics/shuffle.gif


Note how the top line is in triplet form.

here we have a triplet:

1 + a 2 + a 3 + a 4 + a

now the shuffle rhythm:

1 Rest a 2 Rest a 3 Rest a 4 Rest a

[Ellx]

I agree with you on saying tab is stupid though, but I don't have a scanner so tab is the only way, unless there is some cool program I could use?

on-topic: I'm looking forward to seeing that fool in the rain beat on paper.

[CARMEN77]

I really apperciate you guys trying to help me. Im scanning it as I type this...Ill upload it in a second.

[White Riot!]

Just divide the quarter notes into triplets. It cant be that hard , even at a fast tempo if you put your mind to it.

For the purposes of a shuffle / triplets that are only played the cymbals I would get down the feel of triplets then leave it on autopilot especially if the other notes are all straight notes

[CARMEN77]

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10104452ri.jpg

[CARMEN77]

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10104468de.jpg

[White Riot!]

your teachers transcribing is incorrect.

It should be written in triplets

The cymbal line is completely wrong but the bass drum is correct enough to imitate the triplet feel.

[CARMEN77]

Well its obviously not john bonhams playing...Cause I know that groove is alot harder just from hearing.

[White Riot!]

http://www.drumsetconnect.com/forums/images/articles/30/1.gif

Should be played as

http://www.drumsetconnect.com/forums/images/articles/30/2.gif


Writting it in 8ths with the premise of swinging your notes is a common thing basically because it its easier to read than the triplets.

[White Riot!]

also I think its a half time shuffle.


Your teacher did write it correctly for an experienced drummer ; but for a learner of shuffles and swinging notes it makes no sense at all

[_Austin_]

EDIT: Changed my mind

Also, If your teacher wrote that music on that sheet, I'd get a new teacher.
The notation of a shuffle IS NOT in straight 16ths!

[Josiah]

Put the click on quarter notes, and bury it.

When you can make the click dissapear, that's when you know you are in time.

[CARMEN77]

Josiah wouldnt that give it a straight feel which would result in an altogether diffrent feel?

I am just slightly confused. I really have to no trouble playing it very slow with a straight feel, but I some how cannot transfer that to a shuffle. Maybe i am over thinking it...

[rohbit]

Now I want to learn fool in the rain...

[CARMEN77]

Its such a bad *** groove. My friends make fun of my cause I love that song so much. They dont understand the power of that groove. haha

[_Austin_]

Josiah wouldnt that give it a straight feel which would result in an altogether diffrent feel?

I am just slightly confused. I really have to no trouble playing it very slow with a straight feel, but I some how cannot transfer that to a shuffle. Maybe i am over thinking it...

You shouldn't be thinking of it in a straight feel at all...

Listen to the groove, try to catch on to the triplet-based feel of it, count out loud, do whatever you have to do to grasp the shuffle feel before you start trying to try this groove.

Dont run before you can walk.

[CARMEN77]

I can play a plain old shuffle pretty well. Infact my teacher put on the record and I was playing along well acordding to him(minus ghost note and bass placement).

I think i understand what I need to work on now. Thank you all for your help, youve been very kind.