Is this to much to ask???

[AdultSwim815]

That where I take my lessons, which sells iron cobras and top of the line pedals, that they atleast get a new bass pedal for the kit that I play on with lessons. I'm sorry this pedal is 20 years old and is a peal stock kind of pedal. And I go and play on it, and I'll do 1 intentional hit on the bass, and it does 2 or 3 actual hits and that then throws me off because I hear those extra hits and my brain atomatically goes OMG I did extra bass hits since my pedal which isn't that great just a stock swingstar pedal, dosn't do that. So basically I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but once my lessons are up for the month I am gone, off to learn on my own where I can play the beats and have my own time to get them learned right and stuff. Seeing as how I know all the stuff he teaches me anyway. Like the little parradiddles and stuff, we havn't gotten to flams yet and I know what those are so it is kind of like, ok I know how to read music, I can play at a steady tempo when I count and when I make a mistake, I realize it right away, which is why that god forsaken bass pedal messes me up. I don't know I just dislike the lessons and the teacher I can tell is just there to make the money, dosn't really care about if I learn the stuff or not and it's like why pay a guy when I can learn on my own, and what I don't know, I can be a noob and ask you guys or some of my friends who play drums.

[We_Love_Lime]

That where I take my lessons, which sells iron cobras and top of the line pedals, that they atleast get a new bass pedal for the kit that I play on with lessons. I'm sorry this pedal is 20 years old and is a peal stock kind of pedal. And I go and play on it, and I'll do 1 intentional hit on the bass, and it does 2 or 3 actual hits and that then throws me off because I hear those extra hits and my brain atomatically goes OMG I did extra bass hits since my pedal which isn't that great just a stock swingstar pedal, dosn't do that. So basically I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but once my lessons are up for the month I am gone, off to learn on my own where I can play the beats and have my own time to get them learned right and stuff. Seeing as how I know all the stuff he teaches me anyway. Like the little parradiddles and stuff, we havn't gotten to flams yet and I know what those are so it is kind of like, ok I know how to read music, I can play at a steady tempo when I count and when I make a mistake, I realize it right away, which is why that god forsaken bass pedal messes me up. I don't know I just dislike the lessons and the teacher I can tell is just there to make the money, dosn't really care about if I learn the stuff or not and it's like why pay a guy when I can learn on my own, and what I don't know, I can be a noob and ask you guys or some of my friends who play drums.

Find a different teacher.

Don't leave because of the gear.

Leave because You feel your not learning or whatever.

[AdultSwim815]

I'm leaving for the not learning and because the gear sucks to point that he thinks I can't play it, so he has me redo it. But if that gear was better, I could play it just fine, I hate them so much, I'll take the free lessons my friends and the internet can offer there are plenty of good self taught drummers.. right?

[We_Love_Lime]

I'm leaving for the not learning and because the gear sucks to point that he thinks I can't play it, so he has me redo it. But if that gear was better, I could play it just fine, I hate them so much, I'll take the free lessons my friends and the internet can offer there are plenty of good self taught drummers.. right?

Yeah.

Just find a different teacher though at a different place.

[mamcdonald]

Didn't you post that "I'm gonna be a pro in 5 years" comment in a thread entitled "Now I love lessons" or something?

And, by the way, that little clip you posted of yourself, although good for 1 month, is by no means in good tempo. Look, dude...you're posting like two or three threads every day about stuff that, frankly, makes you look really stupid. My suggestion? Get off the forums and get on the kit. Build some skill and learn your stuff then come on here and be another percussion genius and tell kids that they are idiots and have no idea what they are doing...you will then understand why we flame you and stuff.

[Cheungman]

its infinitely better to havea teacher, but you can excel (sp?) being self-taught, alot harder though.

[We_Love_Lime]

its infinitely better to havea teacher, but you can excel (sp?) being self-taught, alot harder though.

Uh huh.

[AdultSwim815]

I know I'm going to get on the kit more, and the clip I posted, I wasn't counting when I played that, if I counted, it would have been in good tempo, but that was me messing around on the drums not trying to get my tempo perfect, just trying to have fun on drums and make somthing that sounds decent.

[We_Love_Lime]

I know I'm going to get on the kit more, and the clip I posted, I wasn't counting when I played that, if I counted, it would have been in good tempo, but that was me messing around on the drums not trying to get my tempo perfect, just trying to have fun on drums and make somthing that sounds decent.

Couting helps you play in time?

Counting just helps me figure out when I should put a fill.

[mamcdonald]

When you say you have good tempo that doesn't mean you have the ability to sit there and count and stay in tempo. It means you have a good "internal clock" meaning that you can play ANYTHING in tempo without having to think about it.

[AdultSwim815]

Actually, the way I do it somehow helps me with my tempo. I don't know, thats what the teacher said, but then again, he's a moron, which I forgot about that part, so forget about it. I will just work with the online metronome, which is better then the teacher because he pisses me off, and the metronome, it dosn't.

[mamcdonald]

The online metronome? Why don't you just...buy one? That thing is cool and all but it's so much easier to just buy one.

[We_Love_Lime]

Actually, the way I do it somehow helps me with my tempo. I don't know, thats what the teacher said, but then again, he's a moron, which I forgot about that part, so forget about it. I will just work with the online metronome, which is better then the teacher because he pisses me off, and the metronome, it dosn't.

Dude Metronomes WILL SO piss you off.

Hehe.

[AdultSwim815]

No, you don't know my instructor. He is teaching me the way he plays and stuff which is cool I don't care to much about that. But it's just somthing about him, I can tell he hates me, and I hate him, we arn't a good pair to work together. And I don't know, I hate lessons though, I'd rather be self taught.

[mamcdonald]

Neat...maybe you'll be the next Dennis Chambers...in five years.

[AdultSwim815]

Ehhh, in any case I'm sure if I had a double bass, 20 cymbals and 10 toms, I could be the next Joey Jordison in 1 year... :)

Just kidding by the way, please don't go off and flame me for making a funny.

[sLarkin20]

hey look its another thread by this guy
if you spent as much time praciticing on your kit as you do posting on here, you might actually become pro in your 5 year goal!

[AdultSwim815]

Ok, I will start doing that then. :)
Lets hope you are right.

[JohnBonham4life]

im gonna have to say man up, ive been playing for five years with one teacher on horrible pedals too, if your treacher will let you, bring in your pedal, move the drums, make it feel like your kit, and tell him how you feel, your paying him, if you want to play something then tell him.

[AdultSwim815]

well, its the way he acts though, always checking his watch, i want an instructor who actually wants to teach me, not just there to make money, but there to help me out and stuff.

[ThE_VANDAL]

I know I'd kill to have a ****ing teacher, I've been playing for 8 months man, it's hard as **** not knowing if you're drums are tuned right, if you're sticking and and all those other subtleties are correct...

go find another teacher since you can afford it, If I weren't broke I'd higher one tomorrow after school

[Drum Monkey]

If you don't want to continue lessons, then buy some books and a metronome. You can learn so much from this.

-DM

[AdultSwim815]

I know thats why I want to stop, buy 1 jazz book 1 latin book and probably a metronome, then play those beats. I can also go at my own pace, so I can you know switch stuff up like maybe switch my kit to lefty and play that beat left handed and stuff, there is SO much more I can do to improve my playing by not having an instructor.

I mean, I can play these beats he throws at me, granted I need a little more practice, and by not having lessons, that would give me time to brush up on the beats and get them just right instead of being rushed into learning these beats, I mean he gave me 24 beats plus speed up 8 beats and get 6 fills in 1 ****ing week. Does that give me much time for rudiments? No, but I still have to do rudiments too, lessons are making me hate drums, which is bad because drums make me calm and relaxed.

As for the vandal, lessons are in my opinion love or hate things. I, for one, don't like them. They tie me down way to much, I have a girl friend that I want to spend lots of time with, and I can't because of these lessons. I mean I'm sure my idea for self taught would work.

I just learn 3 latin and 3 jazz beats a week plus 3 rock beats. Then that gives me time to work on rudiment correct? Then I can throw in learning some fills too. I mean latin and jazz are the 2 main things I want to learn if I want to be pro right? So why am I not learning any at all.

[billdrum]

If your personalities don't mesh, find another teacher. Unless you are totally self-motivated, know where to find proper materials, and a total sponge when it comes to seeking and absorbing new information, I would stay with a teacher.

If you don't like the gear, ask for a different pedal, or bring yours.

I check my watch while teaching so I can pace the lesson properly and make sure I cover everything I want to get to in the time we have.

....and, just because you have a teacher doesn't mean you can't continue to learn things on your own. Ask him about things you want to try and help guide him in teaching you. A good teacher will listen, adapt, and help you learn what you want while guiding you in what's appropriate and with good technique and time.

[AdultSwim815]

Well he also is supposed to teach me coordination too and hasn't done any of that at all.
Basically, all the stuff he is "teaching" me I have already thought of, such as opening the hihat on like the + of 4, I have thought of somthing similar to that. It's just like, I don't need his help really, and I'm fairly self motivated, if I want to do somthing, I can and will do that.

[Win A Rabbit]

if you're looking at books and teaching yourself, i definately recommend "take it to the streets" by stanton moore. it's a great book, it's helped me a ton.

oh, and if the pedal is a major reason as to why you're quitting (assuming you can learn to cope with your teacher), you could always just bring your own.

[AdultSwim815]

I can't cope with my teacher, he isn't really my style. My style is rock/metal, his is rock/hippie stuff and it dosn't mix good with me. I mean I want to learn jazz and latin, but he isn't teaching me that. He is teaching me the basics and I hate that, because I know the basics.

[Win A Rabbit]

don't rush through the basics, man. i know it may seem like you're far beyond the basics, but even guys who've been playing for 20 years will routinely go through the basics every once in a while. drumming is not just a "ok i can do that, move on to the next thing" type of deal. you need to take your time with most things. i'm assuming he's at least half intelligent, and that there's a reason that he's not jumping right into some complex latin patterns.

[AdultSwim815]

But still, I am getting sick of him, I want to learn 16th note stuff too, this week, I am not learning 1 new thing, not 1, just working on beats that I can already play.

[MagicMedicine]

you dont seem to understand the whole point of these lessons. He is teaching you the manditory stuff that they teach you in lessons, they give you exercises that will ensure you have a very solid foundation, so that when they start teaching you ADVANCED stuff you will move along smoothly with the lessons.

If you quit, you will most likely just relearn all the crap you already know, without having the proper skill and technique. There are things you can learn from one on one instructions that you can't learn from books or the internet.

I am not saying you cant progress after you quit, but it is very important that you understand that you are misinterpreting everything about your teacher, and realize what he is actually doing, because he knows what he is doing, or else he would not be teaching you. At my drum shop all the teachers have degrees in music at collages or universities.

If you want to progress you have to understand how the teaching process works in order to TEACH yourself.

I am currently working on a website community such as this one, but way more advanced. It will be focused on teaching self taught drummers. It will have lessons and videos and diagrams and articles and other things I dont want to list now. Keep your eyes peeled and you will probably come across it once it's finished and I'v bought the .com

[Win A Rabbit]

like i said, drumming is not just a "learned that, what's next" type thing. it's about experience, and practice. if you learn something, and he tells you to practice it more, there's a reason behind that. listen to someone who's just started drumming play a simple 4/4 rock groove. now listen to someone like vinnie or gadd play the exact same thing. the difference is huge. that type of difference doesn't come from them learning how to play that groove, and then learning a new one and leaving that one on the shelf.

see what i'm getting at?

[440561]

How long have you been playing?

Ok here's how I think its working wqith you. You spend ots of time posting here and not much time on the kit. So you're not as good as you could be. Then when you go to our lessons, you aren't prepared or just haven't learnt something right because perhaps you havcen't been concentrating. So your teacher now has 30 mins or an hour of a kid that doesn't know what they are doing or hasn't prepared for the lesson or whatever. Maybe he looks at his watched cos he is bored you can't get it right.

It takes a lot of patience to teach people just starting out and people that are finding it hard to get past the first few steps. At least he hasn't walked out because he can't cope. If you have weekly lessons. Sort out your own practice routine and practice certain rudiments and speed building etc and do what you did in the lesson. Practice for one hour straight after school. Then come here and talk about how bad the lesson was.

I didn't mean to be evil but based on what Ive heard in this thread, maybe that's what the teachers situation is. New kid who hasn't bothered. Just ask him if you can use a different pedal.

[some jive turkey]

sheeit
excuses excuses excuses

*can't play on a crappy bass pedal--learn how to
*don't want to play the crappy bass pedal at your lesson--bring your own
*don't want to learn the basics?--either work through them or give up drums
*could have keep better time in your recording while counting--then why didn't you count?........Some of us can keep better time with one hand wrapped around a beer while similtaneously carrying on a conversation with the bass player.....because we're badasses?,...no, it's just because we've practiced for years with a metronome

ps. like billdrum, I also check my watch while teaching to make sure everything is covered during the allotted time. It's called time management.

[Cocaberry]

You spend ots of time posting here and not much time on the kit. So you're not as good as you could be.

That applies to so many other people on here too. I'm not going to list names but you can just tell.

And yeah, I think that is part of the threadstarter's problem. Because of that, he doesn't have bass drum technique that is good enough to control his pedal at his lessons.

If your lesson pedal is truly crap though do like JiveTurkey said and bring your own.

[White Riot!]

Bring your own and shut the hell up you whiney wanker

[maniac0796]

You find a way to complain about everything, post it on these forums, and then get the hell flamed out of you, and all because, by the sounds of it, your pretty incompetent. When i first started, i hated doing technique and going through books with endless quater and eight notes. But i realised i'm not gonna get anywhere without playing them. But now, if he's been doing stuff from a book with another students, whilst he's writing up the lesson, i'll blaze through the book, and play some of the exercises.
If you don't like the bass pedal, bring your own like has been suggested by so many
Don't like your teacher, well, he probably doesn't like you then. Teaching new people to some, in my opinion, that is quite complex, can be a quite daunting, and boring, but atleast he's teaching you.

[Aaron]

stop making pointless threads with poor grammar and punctuation.

[mamcdonald]

I like how he keeps bringing up the fact that he has a "girlfriend" as if it makes him somehow more respectable on here.

[Cocaberry]

I like how he keeps bringing up the fact that he has a "girlfriend" as if it makes him somehow more respectable on here.

Uh, where? I've never heard him say anything about that before.

[440561]

Same here. I haven't seen him say that. Mind quoting it mamconald?

Just for emphasis:
You find a way to complain about everything, post it on these forums, and then get the hell flamed out of you, and all because, by the sounds of it, your pretty incompetent. When i first started, i hated doing technique and going through books with endless quater and eight notes. But i realised i'm not gonna get anywhere without playing them. But now, if he's been doing stuff from a book with another students, whilst he's writing up the lesson, i'll blaze through the book, and play some of the exercises.
If you don't like the bass pedal, bring your own like has been suggested by so many
Don't like your teacher, well, he probably doesn't like you then. Teaching new people to some, in my opinion, that is quite complex, can be a quite daunting, and boring, but atleast he's teaching you.

The simpler version for those who can't be ***ed to read the bit above!
Bring your own and shut the hell up you whiney wanker

[AdultSwim815]

How long have you been playing?

Ok here's how I think its working wqith you. You spend ots of time posting here and not much time on the kit. So you're not as good as you could be. Then when you go to our lessons, you aren't prepared or just haven't learnt something right because perhaps you havcen't been concentrating. So your teacher now has 30 mins or an hour of a kid that doesn't know what they are doing or hasn't prepared for the lesson or whatever. Maybe he looks at his watched cos he is bored you can't get it right.

It takes a lot of patience to teach people just starting out and people that are finding it hard to get past the first few steps. At least he hasn't walked out because he can't cope. If you have weekly lessons. Sort out your own practice routine and practice certain rudiments and speed building etc and do what you did in the lesson. Practice for one hour straight after school. Then come here and talk about how bad the lesson was.

I didn't mean to be evil but based on what Ive heard in this thread, maybe that's what the teachers situation is. New kid who hasn't bothered. Just ask him if you can use a different pedal.

Yeah, but seeing as how I do bother to learn the stuff, and the fact that the bass pedal bouncing messes me up. If you were sitting there used to a decent bass pedal and then go a pedal that bounces like crazy so your bass work sounds like crap, so then you are worried on how to get it to stop bouncing and stuff it gets old rather quick. As for not practicing alot? I practice on average an hour a day, I just saw a thread by you wanting to start practicing atleast an hour so don't say I don't practice much, it's usually like an hour on weekdays except a few like today when I hang out with my girl friend, and then usually 2 hours a day on the weekends. Over the summer it'll probably 2 hours a day.
I can get the basics down fine on my own, I mean I can tell where he is going with the lessons pretty much and I know I have to get my double stroke better and stuff and in all honestly, I post on here when it's to late for me to drum or to early. Not because I just flat out don't want to. When I build my "sound proof" room I'll be down there a hell of a lot more drumming because I wont have to be worried about the neighbors bitching about the noise.
And also the whole bored because I can't get it right and not prepared is total bull ****. I learned the beats, I played them just fine at home, at lessons I get a little nevous mixed with a crappy pedal. I'm sorry that I am sick of my instructor, I just don't like the guy, if I'm going to spend 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years with lessons, I want it to be with someone I can get along with and maybe have a conversation with once in a while rather than listen to him and how a parradiddle helped him with his band.

[AdultSwim815]

I like how he keeps bringing up the fact that he has a "girlfriend" as if it makes him somehow more respectable on here.
No, its just when you have one, you tend to not have the ability to dedicate all your time to playing drums, and you really don't want to dedicate all your time to drums you would rather be with her than some blocks of wood..

[Cocaberry]

Maybe have her over sometime when you practice so then you can be with her and play drums. Ever think of that?

[440561]

Yeah, but seeing as how I do bother to learn the stuff, and the fact that the bass pedal bouncing messes me up. If you were sitting there used to a decent bass pedal and then go a pedal that bounces like crazy so your bass work sounds like crap, so then you are worried on how to get it to stop bouncing and stuff it gets old rather quick. As for not practicing alot? I practice on average an hour a day, I just saw a thread by you wanting to start practicing atleast an hour so don't say I don't practice much, it's usually like an hour on weekdays except a few like today when I hang out with my girl friend, and then usually 2 hours a day on the weekends. Over the summer it'll probably 2 hours a day.
I can get the basics down fine on my own, I mean I can tell where he is going with the lessons pretty much and I know I have to get my double stroke better and stuff and in all honestly, I post on here when it's to late for me to drum or to early. Not because I just flat out don't want to. When I build my "sound proof" room I'll be down there a hell of a lot more drumming because I wont have to be worried about the neighbors bitching about the noise.
And also the whole bored because I can't get it right and not prepared is total bull ****. I learned the beats, I played them just fine at home, at lessons I get a little nevous mixed with a crappy pedal. I'm sorry that I am sick of my instructor, I just don't like the guy, if I'm going to spend 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years with lessons, I want it to be with someone I can get along with and maybe have a conversation with once in a while rather than listen to him and how a parradiddle helped him with his band.
Ok, ok, ok. The bit about my thread. I practice at least an hour and a half every single day. The thread was designed for help and insight from people about how better I could structure my practice so rather than on and off for over an hour, I wanted to play for an hour without stopping and coming here. Or at least practice in big chunks instead of small bites every few minutes.

My say in this thread wasn't entirely biased to you-it was an example of what happens, I only based certain parts on you. I agree 100% about the part at the end about having a good conversation with your teacher. I based my reply on everything I know about you, which FYI isn't much at all. What I heard in this thread gave me a bit of that impression. I know you aren't entirely at fault but there is a lot you can do to change the situation. Don't give up lessons-change the teacher maybe.

I also post here when it is too early/late or generally when I have a problem-but what people seem to be getting at is that its much better to spen most of the time practicing, unless you have a big problem that needs answers ASAP.

Im sorry if I came out all evil and like a spatula but hey, I was just giving an example which wasn't meant to be personal against you throughout my speech.

oh and this statement:
you would rather be with her than some blocks of wood..

Please never call a drum kit blocks of wood ever again!

[pitchfork]

Right i'm just going to say, adapt to the pedal. You may break yours and have to use someone else's at a gig or if you don't want to bring your own.
Your teacher is there to teach, if you don't like it find another one, the teacher doens't have to like your nor you like him he is there to teach.

Most important, have a teacher if you can afford it, self taught players usually aren't as good as classicaly taught ones.

[MagicMedicine]

yea, everybody has basicly covered everything that can be covered here, and nobody here seems to agree with you and you dont seem to want to listen to the people... so what do you want to get out of even posting?

Just because you can play something doesnt mean you've learned it, it means you have memorized it and can pull it off, not that you have practiced it enough or mastered it.

A thought about the pedal at your lessons tho... Maybe the reason it does those extra hits is because they want your right foot to be as strong as it can be, so they adjust the spring tension very tight so you are forced to use all the strength to overpower it, so everytime you do a bass drum hit its strengthening the muscles, and you arnt working at it, your just complaining and blaming the pedal. You should tighten the spring on your pedal at home because this only shows that your right leg needs to be alot stronger. Once you have done that the pedal at the lessons wont be a problem.

The fact that you are coming across problems like that just shows your teacher that you still need practice. You might not need practice at the exercise, but maybe just with strengthening your leg.

[aznriceball]

You play the pedal, not the other way around.

[Panopticon]

Neat...maybe you'll be the next Dennis Champers...in five years.


fix'd:thumb:

[Panopticon]

I just learn 3 latin and 3 jazz beats a week plus 3 rock beats. Then that gives me time to work on rudiment correct? Then I can throw in learning some fills too. I mean latin and jazz are the 2 main things I want to learn if I want to be pro right? So why am I not learning any at all.

The point of drums isn't learning beats. If that was the case, people would be "learning beats" throughout all their career. The point is to get one single beat and then be able to utilize it in the correct context, and also to manipulate the beat into something you need for another specific context. If you think of it as "learning two beats in 3 days" you'll be doing it forever. You need to learn to improv and do everything in your head.