Drugs are bad mmk?

[StoneTemplePilot]

Ok, im starting to become less and less creative everyday, and have come to the conclusion that I need to get really messed up, and write something down while im messed up.

Or does anyone else have any rituals to get their mind jogging, and get creative juices flow?

[randomguitarplayer89]

no no no drugs arent bad, but if you dont use them then just listen to some intrumental music... let your daily emotions be your inspiration, thats a good place to start... but i do like drugs... a lot, only because it allows me to play things that i couldnt normally play if i was sober

[Jetpack]

I love to smoke weed and write songs and stuff, but more than that man i take from my life experiences, the negative and positive emotions and write songs to those they are stronger than drugs and more personal.

but yea if you got all ****ed up im sure you could write some crazy ****

[crimson hands]

I'm by no means "anti drugs" but I have to say that this sounds like a bad idea, not to mention a little pathetic. If you can't write something good when straight you won't write anything good whilst messed up. You might write something a little more abstract and nonsensical but, so what? I don't like the idea of songs being intentionally abstract and nonsensical. I think it's a cheap way to "be creative". Unless you intend on becoming a fulltime druggie you aren't going to be able to keep it up anyway.

[Jetpack]

I'm by no means "anti drugs" but I have to say that this sounds like a bad idea, not to mention a little pathetic. If you can't write something good when straight you won't write anything good whilst messed up. You might write something a little more abstract and nonsensical but, so what? I don't like the idea of songs being intentionally abstract and nonsensical. I think it's a cheap way to "be creative". Unless you intend on becoming a fulltime druggie you aren't going to be able to keep it up anyway.


the only problem with this is the past examples of most of the amazing music created in the past about drugs. like it or not drugs have a huge impact on creativity in the music industry.

i hear taht wehn asked if he'd ever make another album like Rust in peace, mustaine said that he'd have to become a heroin junkie again to make a record like that

[randomguitarplayer89]

indeed, but do you sometimes notice the difference between heroin written songs and THC songs?

[randomguitarplayer89]

indeed, but do you sometimes notice the difference between heroin written songs and THC songs?

[slack]

That's a joke, right?

[StandardStringReject]

i know some ppl who write really pretty sounding stuff when they're high, wasted, whatever... but they show it to me and it sounds all deep and stuff, but they dont know what it means, what its about, anything. and so they get high again to see if they can figure it out, and they still dont know. to me, music is only good if it means something. if it doesnt, its usually just trash. try just taking a break and going out alot, doing alot with friends, and inspiration'll come..
good luck?

[randomguitarplayer89]

a freind with weed is a freind indeed

[StandardStringReject]

a freind with weed is a freind indeed
lol

[Jetpack]

A friend in need is a friend indeed, a friend with weed is better... tool lol


Anyways, Yeah i undedrstand where you're coming from, but I think that even if it doesnt make sense that's part of the mystery to songs, to take your own interpretation of what they're talking about.

[mcs]

First of all I just want to put this out there:
crimson hands = EMO.
Anyways, it is my belief that a mind affected by drugs is a mind that can no longer think in the same world that we know as sober beings. This is bad when you're trying to drive and not die, but if you want to write something original, nothing can be more original than a trip to another world. I believe that for every scientific explanation there is a spiritual one, equally as true, and vice versa.

[StandardStringReject]

true dat.

[StandardStringReject]

"true dat" was directed towards the jetpack kid, i sent it late...

[Jetpack]

troo

[kerazay]

You don't have to turn to drugs to write good songs. Whether you do drugs or not everyone gets writers block. Getting high isn't going to change that, and besides you can't force inspiration.

[shayne_122]

It may just be the jet lag talking out of my ***, but it seems as if what the majority of you guys are saying is that internal self mutilation (drug use) can create more creative results... but really there is no creative thought whatsoever if what your making is spontaneous and created in an artificially obtained state of mind.

and then there's just my personal bias of the self mutilation involved, which I don't agree with.
NINJA-EDIT(neo-emo, anyone?)
(/jk...)

[ZeppaMusic]

if u write a song while on drugs, you have no talent and are a total dick

[kerazay]

if u write a song while on drugs, you have no talent and are a total dick

That's not entirely true because a lot of the great songs of the past were written under the influence... but what I think makes the person a total dick is if they get themselves into such a stupid state just for the sake of writing. I think that would prove more than anything that they're talentless.

[Violent_Bill]

if u write a song while on drugs, you have no talent and are a total dick

Stairway to Heaven instantly comes to mind.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Why is this thread still open?

[Varment]

drugs rule

[deathscreamingsheep]

Fair enough.

[StoneTemplePilot]

Drugs release the subconcious thoughts from within you, and allow you to express yourself easier. Yes, you may not know what it means, but does it really matter? It is art, its up to the listener to interperet what it means.

[RollerQueen]

mcs, thank you for saying that someone is emo. That has a LOT to do with anything in this thread.

Stairway to Heaven is overrated. The lyrics are garbage, since that's what we're talking about. Half of the time, when you're high on whatever and write lyrics and show them to someone who's sober, it's not as good as you would like to believe. Look at all of the druggies and alcoholics that have written songs over the years. The Doors had some of the most pseudo-intellectual tripe I've heard in a while, the Grateful Dead had a good couple of lines buried in miles of dreck, Pink Floyd has maybe "Time" on their side, and this isn't just for classic rock. Nirvana's lyrics are pretty bad. Don't even get me started on rap or any of what's somehow classified as "emo" these days.

If you want to do drugs, fine, go destroy yourself, and I honestly hope you OD as a tax for retardation. You can still make excellent music without unnatural chemical imbalances. If you have to get high to write anything worthwhile, it's a shameful crutch that should embarrass you if you have any wits about you. Glorifying drugs is immature, too.

As for drugs "opening you up," that's a cop-out. Meditation and spending time thinking can result in some weird stuff. Drugs only imply that you're too lazy to think, and I've been around a lot of users of a lot of things.

[randomguitarplayer89]

mcs, thank you for saying that someone is emo. That has a LOT to do with anything in this thread.

Stairway to Heaven is overrated. The lyrics are garbage, since that's what we're talking about. Half of the time, when you're high on whatever and write lyrics and show them to someone who's sober, it's not as good as you would like to believe. Look at all of the druggies and alcoholics that have written songs over the years. The Doors had some of the most pseudo-intellectual tripe I've heard in a while, the Grateful Dead had a good couple of lines buried in miles of dreck, Pink Floyd has maybe "Time" on their side, and this isn't just for classic rock. Nirvana's lyrics are pretty bad. Don't even get me started on rap or any of what's somehow classified as "emo" these days.

If you want to do drugs, fine, go destroy yourself, and I honestly hope you OD as a tax for retardation. You can still make excellent music without unnatural chemical imbalances. If you have to get high to write anything worthwhile, it's a shameful crutch that should embarrass you if you have any wits about you. Glorifying drugs is immature, too.

As for drugs "opening you up," that's a cop-out. Meditation and spending time thinking can result in some weird stuff. Drugs only imply that you're too lazy to think, and I've been around a lot of users of a lot of things.

if you really believe this then come home tonight, take all your cd's and tapes, AND BURN THEM!!! because all those musicians who have enriched your life throughout the years... real ****ing high on drugs

[dustinmm80]

Just because it's been a given in the past that artists have done drugs shouldn't be a reason or excuse to do them yourself. Music is about being original and creative, not following traditions. That being said, I'm not against drugs, but I think it's retarded when I see or am involved in a band practice, and right after they tune up and plug in they get high like it's something you need to do to play.

[deathscreamingsheep]

if you really believe this then come home tonight, take all your cd's and tapes, AND BURN THEM!!! because all those musicians who have enriched your life throughout the years... real ****ing high on drugs

Actually quite a lot of my favourite musicians may not have exactly abstained from drugs but they didn't need them to write music.

Drugs are an excuse and a pathetic one at that. Noon I know has ever gained anything from them apart from courses at rehab.

[RollerQueen]

if you really believe this then come home tonight, take all your cd's and tapes, AND BURN THEM!!! because all those musicians who have enriched your life throughout the years... real ****ing high on drugs

Grow up. Aside from the fact that what you just said is plain stupid, I don't only listen to people who were drugged up. My favourite artist, Jeff Buckley, was never a druggie. He experimented when he was on tour, but even he regretted it, and he did smoke weed, but it wasn't what made him great, and I'd argue that what little drugs he did had no effect whatsoever on his music. Smoking cigarettes did affect his voice, though. Also, I love Elliott Smith, and his music was more from depression than from being a junkie. I'm pretty sure Sunny Day Real Estate was straight. Mineral, too. There hasn't been any evidence that drugs have anything to do with what Radiohead has accomplished. Weezer started sucking when they got heavy into drugs. Tom Waits isn't on anything that I know of. Jimmy Eat World, yes, they smoke pot, and that bugs me. Glassjaw, particularly their last album, was when they were still straight. Oh, and look at Fugazi. Look at Zappa. He was sober. All he did was drink coffee and smoke cigarettes.

I like Hendrix, but "Purple Haze" was written before he started using. Besides that, drugs didn't exactly make him healthier. It's a worthless sacrifice to do drugs for the sake of creativity. It's a Faustian bargain, and there are other ways to be creative. Drugs are just the easy way to get there.

In other words, the worst thing you can do is assume that you know what you're talking about when you're beyond the realm of "in too deep." You don't even know what kind of music I listened to before I just ran off a couple of names, so be quiet until you mature enough to give an opinion that has any sort of merit.

[TojesDolan]

hey People I Remind You That We Have A Specialized Thread For tips And Questions, And Dfelon The Local Mod Will Ban The Threadstarter For Making This Idiotic Thread, Not To Mention The Fact That It's Drug Talk, Thanks For Your Attention.

[RollerQueen]

More power to him, and I apologize to him for posting here, but I can't let this garbage mentality go by without saying something about it.

Sorry, Nick.

[Violent_Bill]

mcs, thank you for saying that someone is emo. That has a LOT to do with anything in this thread.

Stairway to Heaven is overrated. The lyrics are garbage, since that's what we're talking about. Half of the time, when you're high on whatever and write lyrics and show them to someone who's sober, it's not as good as you would like to believe. Look at all of the druggies and alcoholics that have written songs over the years. The Doors had some of the most pseudo-intellectual tripe I've heard in a while, the Grateful Dead had a good couple of lines buried in miles of dreck, Pink Floyd has maybe "Time" on their side, and this isn't just for classic rock. Nirvana's lyrics are pretty bad. Don't even get me started on rap or any of what's somehow classified as "emo" these days.

If you want to do drugs, fine, go destroy yourself, and I honestly hope you OD as a tax for retardation. You can still make excellent music without unnatural chemical imbalances. If you have to get high to write anything worthwhile, it's a shameful crutch that should embarrass you if you have any wits about you. Glorifying drugs is immature, too.

As for drugs "opening you up," that's a cop-out. Meditation and spending time thinking can result in some weird stuff. Drugs only imply that you're too lazy to think, and I've been around a lot of users of a lot of things.

Okay, I agree that believing drugs will somehow transform you into a brilliant musician is stupid, but so is to virtually say you cannot write good lyrics on drugs. Although I don't agree with all of what you said about the bands there I can understand why you would say it, but it wouldn't be hard for me to name a bunch of sober artists who I believe to be wildly overrated lyricists either. Some obvious choices for heavy drug users who also wrote brilliant lyrics are: The Beatles, Lou Reed, Bob Marley, Nick Cave, Syd Barret & David Bowie to name a few.

[RollerQueen]

I'm not saying that it's impossible to write good songs while on drugs, but I disagree with some of your choices. Of your examples, I only respect Nick Cave as a consistently good lyricist. To me, none of the others have more than a bunch of good or great lines at times. If you write a lot, you're bound to hit on something good from time to time, and the old saying that a monkey at a typewriter/computer will type in a real word from time to time comes to mind. Drugs aren't necessary to write well.

Since I know it'll come up, look at Bob Dylan. He wrote some remarkable material sober or drugged up, but there's a lot of his drug-fueled stuff that makes absolutely no sense. When I read the liner notes for Highway 61 Revisited, I was thinking that he had lost his mind.

I gotta go take a physics exam. Adios, people.

[StandardStringReject]

aaahhhggg!