An idea. (Mods especially, but everyone else too)

[Led_Zeppelin678]

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassperf.html

I go on there every once in a while to look for new music. However, while browsing I came to realize it's really screwed up (I think of it as the Rolling Stone version of the list). They have jazz players like Manring and soul players like Graham, but no Jaco or Wooten, for one thing. It's just screwed up. After checking out the message board, I determined that the four people on there are complete idiots. So, the idea popped into my head for us to make one.

First of all, it's not properly divided. It says "Rock Bass", but they have Jamerson in there, for instance. We'd want to divide it into 6 different groups...jazz, rock, funk/soul, progressive, metal, and punk.

If you could get 5 more MXers to volunteer, you could have one person in charge of getting suggestions/votes from the community (I volunteer for the prog category). When it's done, it can go in a big thread in the resource section (post 1 jazz, post 2 rock, etc).

I think we should at least give it a try. It'd be a great resource.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Eek.

Slow metal and fast metal catagories.

Slow metal = Electric Wizard.
fast metal = High on Fire.

Seeing as I have on life I'd be more than willing to help with the sorting into metal sub-catagories.

I can also tell you whats not, and is metal.

I know there's alot of false metal heads on this forum and only a few real metal heads.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

We could have sub-genres...power metal, thrash metal, death metal, sludge metal, etc, for example, and like a top 20 for each. Sure, if you want to do it you're on board for the metal section(s).

[Az_Holl]

27. Bouree - Glenn Cornick (Jethro Tull)

:chug:

That list is seriously messed up.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

:chug:

That list is seriously messed up.

144. Sympathy For The Devil - Keith Richards (Rolling Stones)
145. Mean Streets - Billy Sheehan (Niacin)

WTF!?!?!

[Az_Holl]

:lol:

thats ****ed up

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Well I'm all for it.

And, I think afterwards we should have a thread with just a HUGE *** list of bands with good bass.

We could just pull it off this thread.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Well, what I'm thinking is everyone who's responsible for a genre (we'll need four more people) will make a thread to take in recommendations. Something like:

Subgenre - Song - Bassist - Band - Album

We also have to make sure the popular songs that more people have heard don't win over the songs with better bass.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Most definatly.

I think there should be nominees, and then there is a judge panel that decides who goes where.

Instead of a vote.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Most definatly.

I think there should be nominees, and then there is a judge panel that decides who goes where.

Instead of a vote.

Good idea. People who have heard all the songs instead of some noob who voted for Higher Ground with his first post.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Yeah that's excactly what I was thinking.

Same song too.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Yeah that's excactly what I was thinking.

Same song too.

:lol:

:chug:

[naut]

...eh, i don't really see this taking off...

[I<33myOLPmm2]

*thinks of weaknesses to flame*

Thought train: low posts? no. Early join? no. I KNOW!

YOU DIDN'T CAPITALIZE YOUR "I" NOOB!!@!!

:p

Why do you say that?

[naut]

i have no obligation to explain my opinions to a peon such as yourself.


















it just seems boring and pointless. i'm not trying to be a prick, that's just what i think. plus, i swear we've already tried something like this...meh, i can't remember.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Some metal is boring an pointless I definatly agree.

Power chordx4 on 3 different notes with no variations at somehitng like 180 BPM (I don't even know if thats fast or not, imagine something fast :p) for a riff.

sucks, and alot of metal is like that.

Sleep, for expample, is like maybe 68 BPM, and it has many fills, and really captures you in a way of anticipation for the next "bang".

[blizzard]

We have done something similar like a year or two ago with the favourite bass player. From memory it took months to do and we ended up with Flea and Victor Wooten as the two top ones. Your whole concept seems too complicated to be feasible.

[Az_Holl]

Some metal is boring an pointless I definatly agree.

Power chordx4 on 3 different notes with no variations at somehitng like 180 BPM (I don't even know if thats fast or not, imagine something fast :p) for a riff.

sucks, and alot of metal is like that.

Sleep, for expample, is like maybe 68 BPM, and it has many fills, and really captures you in a way of anticipation for the next "bang".
Hes talking about the idea not metal :p

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Not really.

I think I remember the old one, and it was what we were fearing before we decided to use the judge process instead of vote, a popularity contest.

Our process is really quite simple in the end.

Say 5 threads go up for the 5 genres, People nominate song after song after song. Well, since there's 1 person running each genre, they can filter it down to only a few or atleast less songs.

Then there can be a grand listening where everyone here's the final lists, and the judges vote.

Ok, so it does get kinda complicated toward the end, but we can handle it. :p

[naut]

Some metal is boring an pointless I definatly agree.

i'm talking about the idea in general.

EDIT: /hats off to Atomicant.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Hes talking about the idea not metal :p
I need to go to sleep.

Well, theres a lecture on one of my many veiws of metal.

[Az_Holl]

I think the main problem is going to be, aside from laziness, how you decide who is the best.
Theres so many factors that you have to put in, like technical ability, musicality and people who just make really cool music.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Well yea, It's mainly going to be (I think)

What actually SOUNDS the best.

If it's some wanker....wankering then I'm going to say it sucks.

But if it goes with the music an fits in with what the other instrumetns are playing then im going to very impressed.

Someone should reall watch this video and tell me what you think.
http://www.earache.com/bands/sleep/sleep.html

[Az_Holl]

If thats the case then Higher Ground actaully deserves to win.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Yea, it probably does.

Maybe not first though, but it might have gotten first from popularity.

Or Victor Wooten. I garuntee he would come in top 3 if it was a vote.

[Riouken]

"What fits the music..."



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, seems quite pointless to be honest. I can't see it happening.


But if it does, good luck to elitism or fair judgment. Or whatever goes on.


GO PEOPLE GO!

[I<33myOLPmm2]

It'll be fair in the metal genres I garuntee you.

[Riouken]

I can't stand genres, I can't stand this "what fits th emusic" crap.


You guarantee Wooten be in top 3 if it was a vote? Good. I think he deserves. I think he writes what fits the music.

IN MY OPINION.

The cracks are beignning to show.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

I don't listen to Victor Wooten.

I never said he shouldn't be in the top 3.

He probably does deserve it I hear amazing things.

I've only heard him doing a solo peice wiht another bassist and he did real good fingerstyle, then on a triplets part he pulled out that wank *** double thump thing and shattered the song to peices.

[Riouken]

InYOUR opinion.

You probaby heard Stan the Man. And to me, that double thumbing stuff fitted damn fine and greatly.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Yea it was Stan the Man.

I don't know about you, but I heard softer slow warm feeling songs aren't supposed to have random *** twangy wanker *** slapping in them.

[Az_Holl]

So you want me to praise **** songs because it fits?

[Riouken]

But, he never did random twangy wankery in it. Oh wait, in YOUR opinion he did. How silly of me!

Can you not see how this is going to work?



This forum has peer pressure on it, it's pathetic. People will often go with the majority cos they don't want to be singled out, or look lesser of a musician. If you have a big rep on the forum, pople will follow you. Honeslty, it's pitiful.

This just won't work.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

No, I'm not saying that either.

I'm saying if the player puts in a nice bassline that fits the mood of the music and keeps it simple enough to where it sounds good and knowing the place to shine....and what to shine with.

[Az_Holl]

But, he never did random twangy wankery in it. Oh wait, in YOUR opinion he did. How silly of me!

Can you not see how this is going to work?



This forum has peer pressure on it, it's pathetic. People will often go with the majority cos they don't want to be singled out, or look lesser of a musician. If you have a big rep on the forum, pople will follow you. Honeslty, it's pitiful.

This just won't work.
Woah, deja vu!

:p

[I<33myOLPmm2]

But, he never did random twangy wankery in it. Oh wait, in YOUR opinion he did. How silly of me!

Can you not see how this is going to work?



This forum has peer pressure on it, it's pathetic. People will often go with the majority cos they don't want to be singled out, or look lesser of a musician. If you have a big rep on the forum, pople will follow you. Honeslty, it's pitiful.

This just won't work.

That's why we have judges and not a vote...

I have **** for rep on this forum so if thats pointed at me then it was retarded.

I don't think it was though.

[Riouken]

No, of course it wasn't pointed at you.

but the judges will probably be elitist and believe that certain things don't fit in music, in THEIR opinion.


Etc. etc.

This whole thing won't be accurate at all. It won't bring any benefits. It's just pretty dman pointless and won't work.


But good luck to you.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

I remember when the song was posted the majority thought that it was lame to put it there.

Later we found out he did it because he didn't think he could do triplets that fast, and I can see the resoning behind that.

But then he still can't play the song he attempting so its still a -.

[BassCozzy]

What about just having a bass poll like on the rock and metal forum fav vocalist one they had a few months?

[I<33myOLPmm2]

*sigh*

Because people will just vote for their favorite songs/artists, and not listen to them all.

[BassCozzy]

*sigh*

Because people will just vote for their favorite songs/artists, and not listen to them all.

we could just have a favourite bass players poll i guess:confused: it just sounds a bit easier

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Yea, but there has been many.

It NORMALLY is Victor Wooten or Flea.

And im sure they deserve it.

[Criss Frantic]

I don't see the point really. It's only metal.

[Az_Holl]

I don't see the point really. It's only metal.
Shut up, noob.

Its not going to work anyway.

[Criss Frantic]

I'll noob you, Aussie bastard.

[Tryxx]

I think it could be a neat idea, but nevertheless, an idea that MX'ers just won't follow through with. Upon other things. As was said, they'll vote for their favourite, not "the best" and in the end, you can't fault for that as it's relative to their opinion.

[AlmightyPancake]

No, I'm not saying that either.

I'm saying if the player puts in a nice bassline that fits the mood of the music and keeps it simple enough to where it sounds good and knowing the place to shine....and what to shine with.
Who are you to judge this? Have you a solid grounding in music psychology? Are you aware of the implications of tone on the human mind and the effect on the music overall?

Unless you have a scientific and psychological understanding of music, you can't determine what does and doesn't "fit the song" without it being almost entirely opinion based.

[katana_manatee]

Who are we to judge the greats of this world? There can be no definitive list since music is subjective in so many respects. To some, virtuoso control over your instrument can be considered wankery, to others greatness. And there is no way to measure greatness.

[AlmightyPancake]

Yes there is.


The Standard Measurement for greatness is 1 OMGWTFPWNT.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I remember when the song was posted the majority thought that it was lame to put it there.

Later we found out he did it because he didn't think he could do triplets that fast, and I can see the resoning behind that.

But then he still can't play the song he attempting so its still a -.
What are you even talking about?

He wrote it with double thumbing because he couldn't do it fingerstyle to make it sound how he wanted it to. He still achieved the sound he wanted but with an alternate technique.

Are you saying that the song would have been better if he played that part fingerstyle rather than with double thumbing? It would have been exactly the same, just with a different technique being used.

[cAPS_lOCK]

It's a good idea if it wasn't for the ranking.

Having a list of must-listen bass songs is a great idea. Expanding peoples' horizons, especially those new to bass who have never heard Jaco, Wooten or Sheehan before.

Ranking them is not, because people will always disagree, and it will be a lot of arguing of the type "how could you rank him #3, he sucks" and jadda jadda. And if new people come on the forum and see a ranked lsit, it could lead them to believe it is some sort of official list and/or universal truth when in fact it's just the opinion of one or a few individuals.

Just my 2 cents.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

What are you even talking about?

He wrote it with double thumbing because he couldn't do it fingerstyle to make it sound how he wanted it to. He still achieved the sound he wanted but with an alternate technique.

Are you saying that the song would have been better if he played that part fingerstyle rather than with double thumbing? It would have been exactly the same, just with a different technique being used.

Sorry, when I play bass it generally sounds crappier/more aggresive when you slap instead of fingerstyle.

That song was warm and rounded that part was twangy, and agressive that could've changed if he had kept with fringerstyle.

Don't say slap sounds the same as fingerstyle, 'cause then it would be a pointless *** technique.

[BenJammin]

Sorry, when I play bass it generally sounds crappier/more aggresive when you slap instead of fingerstyle.

That's no one's fault but yours.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Don't say slap sounds the same as fingerstyle, 'cause then it would be a pointless *** technique.


When you actually disagree with this it makes you a Wooten worshiper.

I don't guess there's anything wrong with that, but to say slap sounds the same or even basically the same as fingerstyle is just plain retaded.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Well, have you heard Stanley Clarke play? Have you heard the sound that Wooten was immitating?

I think he did a pretty good job.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

No I havent heard Stanely Clarke play.

I loved Victors tone throughout the whole song, and I thought he was doing very well until the double thumpingpart.

And if thats what stanely Clarke plays like, then he ****ed the song too.

[Riouken]

Stanley does his fingerstyle like pops.

Wooten adapted the thumb technique cos he could never go that fast with his fingers. I'd be mighty impressed if somebody could have such an agressive attack AND play as fast as wooten did in that song, with just their fingers.


Either way, it is just a tehcnique. Doing triplets in double thumbing doesn't make it wankery at all. In my opinion, wankery is defined by the motive it was used for. You can tell if it was used to show off. There is something in the expression and just how it is played.

Wooten has such a refined way of using it, it is not showing off. Show offs don't take enough time to refine such a technique cos they wanna be good fast. That's why the majority of show offs just generally suck. Cos they accepted sloppy tehcnique to show off as fast as they could.

Arrogance can exist without any ability at all. And it really shows.

I get pulled for being a show off looooaaaddss because I double thumb. To me it is just a tehcnique that I particularly enjoy. Just like some people like picking, tapping or finger-style blah blah. But becaue I use it, I'm a show off, according to many.

It's kind of ridiculous and close-minded.

It's ALLL subjective. That si why this iddea won't work.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Ugh...

It was the fingerstyle triplets that Clarke does that Wooten couldn't, hence the double thumbing.

Anyway, I think it sounds good.



Edit: Riouken rawks. :thumb:

[Duncster]

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassperf.html

I go on there every once in a while to look for new music. However, while browsing I came to realize it's really screwed up (I think of it as the Rolling Stone version of the list). They have jazz players like Manring and soul players like Graham, but no Jaco or Wooten, for one thing. It's just screwed up. After checking out the message board, I determined that the four people on there are complete idiots. So, the idea popped into my head for us to make one.

First of all, it's not properly divided. It says "Rock Bass", but they have Jamerson in there, for instance. We'd want to divide it into 6 different groups...jazz, rock, funk/soul, progressive, metal, and punk.

If you could get 5 more MXers to volunteer, you could have one person in charge of getting suggestions/votes from the community (I volunteer for the prog category). When it's done, it can go in a big thread in the resource section (post 1 jazz, post 2 rock, etc).

I think we should at least give it a try. It'd be a great resource.

I actually think there are some very good lists on that site. You know the list also goes by influence, not just skill and talent. What, you think they should leave Jamerson out? Its not like he doesn't lay down some rockstyle lines in his music. And they put funk into the lists, Jamerson played with the funk brothers yu fool. And Wooten and Jaco are both in the top ten most skilled bassist lists. Wootens actually number one.

I highly doubt we could make a better list. When I did that huge forums fav bassist thing Flea got #1 :p Of course this would include a lot less oppinionated lists.

[muthafunkabass]

Sorry, when I play bass it generally sounds crappier/more aggresive when you slap instead of fingerstyle.
If you suck at slapping or can't do it, if you suck at double-thumping or can't do it, it's not Victor Wooten's fault. I suck at both, do I blame it on Vic? No. That would be ignorant.

That song was warm and rounded
Opinion. Warm and round compared to what? That would be subjective to your ear.

that part was twangy,
Opnion. Twangy compared to what? That would be subjective to your ear.

and agressive that could've changed if he had kept with fringerstyle.
Opinion. Agressive compared to what? Are you saying that you have never been "agressive" while using the fingerstyle technique. Isn't he the one doing this song? Isn't his decision to use a certain technique to get the sound he wanted for that part. Why would you consider double-thumping wankery? It is just a technique. It makes a different sound then
Don't say slap sounds the same as fingerstyle, 'cause then it would be a pointless *** technique.
Not really totally pointless, but finally you realize something.

[BassVirtuoso]

I don't think a collection of subjective opinion belongs in the resource section.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

If you suck at slapping or can't do it, if you suck at double-thumping or can't do it, it's not Victor Wooten's fault. I suck at both, do I blame it on Vic? No. That would be ignorant.


Opinion. Warm and round compared to what? That would be subjective to your ear.


Opnion. Twangy compared to what? That would be subjective to your ear.


Opinion. Agressive compared to what? Are you saying that you have never been "agressive" while using the fingerstyle technique. Isn't he the one doing this song? Isn't his decision to use a certain technique to get the sound he wanted for that part. Why would you consider double-thumping wankery? It is just a technique. It makes a different sound then

Not really totally pointless, but finally you realize something.

I don't blame Wooten because suck at slapping.
Warm and round compared to the other music I've heard of Victor Wootens.
Twangy compared ott he rest of song of course.
Yet again agressive compared to the rest of the song you can of course have an agressive finger style, but he doesn't in that song.
I considered it wankery there becuase it seemed more like Wooten trying to fit in his signature move instead of making the song sound good....IMO.

[Alex]

Eek.

Slow metal and fast metal catagories.

Slow metal = Electric Wizard.
fast metal = High on Fire.

or neo classical, death, power, extreme power, classical death and all the other catergories' variants...... metal

[e p]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351178

I already have something somewhat related in the resources. meh

[muthafunkabass]

I don't suck at slapping.
Opinion. You don't think you suck at slapping, maybe soembody else does.
Warm and round compared to the other music I've heard of Victor Wootens.
Opinion. You might think its warm and round, and his music is warm and round, while somebody else might not.
Twangy compared ott he rest of song of course.
Opinion. It's your opinion that that part was twangy. Somebody else might disagree.
Yet again agressive compared to the rest of the song you can of course have an agressive finger style, but he doesn't in that song.
Opinion. The agressiveness of his fingerstyle is your opinion.

I considered it wankery there becuase it seemed more like Wooten trying to fit in his signature move instead of making the song sound good
Opinion. To you, he's putting it there because, in your opinion, its his signature move, its also your opinion that it lowers the degree of good sound in the song.

....IMO.

Now you're getting it! Maybe we can end the ignorancy now?


EDIT: I don't blame Wooten because suck at slapping.
Little ninja edit there, eh?

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Maybe you can not flame and talk in circles like a jackass?

[muthafunkabass]

Maybe you can not flame and talk in circles like a jackass?
Flaming is calling you names and acting like an mindless idiot because i disagree with your opinions without backing anything up.


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That my friend, is flaming.


I am simply showing signs of narrow-vision in your posting, and trying to show you something about what you said so you can analyze that yourself and maybe pull something away from that.


Listen dude, I have nothing against you. You're my favorite user of March 06ers. Don't think I hate you or anything.

[I<33myOLPmm2]

Flaming is calling you names and acting like an mindless idiot because i disagree with your opinions without backing anything up.

Listen dude, I have nothing against you. You're my favorite user of March 06ers. Don't think I hate you or anything.


...

I don't hate you you don't hate me..

OFF TO DO MY SCHOOLWORK!!! *flys away*