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overnothing
03-28-2006, 07:04 PM
Ok I know that this has probably been posted like a few thousand times before, but can someone please explain heal-toe to me. If you could, please explain it by every little movement your foot makes, because I have been trying to get it down for a while and its really starting to get me mad that I can't do it. Remember that you are trying to explain it to a retard so try to give me a really good description of how to do it.
Ethan.
03-28-2006, 08:18 PM
There's a great video on the vic firth web site... go look it up i lost it. It helped me learn it.
overnothing
03-28-2006, 09:10 PM
ok thanks a lot
CARMEN77
03-28-2006, 09:15 PM
Dude i had this question too. I dont know if I should start using heel toe now or just work oin heel up. Someone with some knowledge please inform us noobs.
Futuro
03-28-2006, 09:17 PM
Practice everything. I never use heel toe anyway.
CARMEN77
03-28-2006, 09:38 PM
did john bonham use heel toe?
Futuro
03-28-2006, 09:45 PM
did john bonham use heel toe?Not that I know of. But then again compared to nowadays he isnt all that fast.
mamcdonald
03-28-2006, 10:16 PM
Dude i had this question too. I dont know if I should start using heel toe now or just work oin heel up. Someone with some knowledge please inform us noobs.

You joined in 2003 and have over a 1,000 posts and your a "noob"?
RedDot
03-28-2006, 10:32 PM
You joined in 2003 and have over a 1,000 posts and your a "noob"?
Maybe he posts in 'The Pit'
Such a dreadful place.
Icky_Mettle
03-28-2006, 10:59 PM
inb4 heel-toe master
aznriceball
03-29-2006, 01:43 AM
TS u can walk right?
rohbit
03-29-2006, 02:19 AM
TS u can walk right?

As long as he has his bib, I believe he can do anything.
Bonham#1!
03-29-2006, 08:17 AM
Not that I know of. But then again compared to nowadays he isnt all that fast.

He didn't need to be. But I'm afraid I can't help ya with the heel toe thing.
spirit
03-29-2006, 10:55 AM
There's a great video on the vic firth web site... go look it up i lost it. It helped me learn it.

Can't find it.

Anyone know where it is? Been thinking I should learn heel toe.
dairyairman
03-29-2006, 11:46 AM
this is not "it" but it is an explanation of how to do it.

http://www.drumset.com/articles/jun-99.html
overnothing
03-29-2006, 01:11 PM
TS u can walk right?
yea i can walk. its just i just cant do it. i need to no exactly how to move my foot/leg.
crazyguy832
03-29-2006, 01:46 PM
I've said this time and time again...

My lesson should be a sticky!
overnothing
03-29-2006, 01:50 PM
I've said this time and time again...

My lesson should be a sticky!
i have read your lesson and it gave me a good idea what it was. but i still cant do it i need to know every little movement your foot does and maybe a video if there is one.
Futuro
03-29-2006, 01:52 PM
Why don't you work on controlling your calf to a point where you don't need heel toe.
crazyguy832
03-29-2006, 01:54 PM
i have read your lesson and it gave me a good idea what it was. but i still cant do it i need to know every little movement your foot does and maybe a video if there is one.
I linked to Darkslide's videos, which are pretty damn good.

Ummm... I really don't know how to explain it any better. Heel-toe is just how you walk expanded to the drumkit. Just think... rocking motion.
overnothing
03-29-2006, 01:56 PM
well i do the walking motion but when my heel goes down there is no hit...am i doing something wrong???
spirit
03-29-2006, 01:57 PM
Why don't you work on controlling your calf to a point where you don't need heel toe.

Elaborate, if you would be so kind.
crazyguy832
03-29-2006, 01:58 PM
You have to do it in one fluid motion.

The heel itself does not produce the hit (unless you do it a very specific way which shall be ignored here). What produces the double is the motion. I have said this time and time again...

You must do the MOTION of heel-toe to produce the double.

What helps would be to take your shoes off if you're wearing them. I CANNOT do heel-toe with shoes on (or barefoot, for that matter).

And for the record, Futuro, there are things I can do with heel-toe that I can't heel-up/down.
Futuro
03-29-2006, 02:00 PM
Elaborate, if you would be so kind. Play fast, with no *secret* motion. It's not like heel toe or slide is the only way to do double strokes.

And for the record, Futuro, there are things I can do with heel-toe that I can't heel-up/down.Practice and you can...
spirit
03-29-2006, 02:01 PM
Play fast, with no *secret* motion. It's not like heel toe or slide is the only way to do double strokes.

Practice and you can...

That is to say, similar to your hands, with practice, your foot will become naturally faster, yes?
crazyguy832
03-29-2006, 02:03 PM
Practice and you can...
Haha, I know, I know, and I'm working on it. I still like heel-toe, though.

:chug:
drummer-from-da-KY
03-29-2006, 09:56 PM
i dont see how the hell "The motion" produces a double stroke.. when i do it it just hits once and stays on the bass head until i lift my toe :| im probably doing it wrong.. but whatever..
crazyguy832
03-29-2006, 10:06 PM
Put your toes under the cam.

Push down until the beater's hitting the head.

Now, try and produce a hit using only your heel (raising your calf and whatnot).

Once you got that (flatfoot), expand it into the heel-toe double.
drummer-from-da-KY
03-30-2006, 04:10 PM
Wow.. that little short explaination did way better than those long huge ones with the videos :| i tried whay you said and i think i actually got it now.. my leg got tired after a few minutes but at least i got it :|
crazyguy832
03-30-2006, 05:25 PM
Haha, yeah.

That long way is basically how I first did heel-toe. Now, after knowing flatfoot, I've realized learning that first and then expanding to heel-toe is probably an easier way of doing it.

Your leg's gonna get tired, too, but it'll be fine after you get used to it.

:chug:
spirit
03-30-2006, 05:38 PM
Haha, yeah.

That long way is basically how I first did heel-toe. Now, after knowing flatfoot, I've realized learning that first and then expanding to heel-toe is probably an easier way of doing it.

Your leg's gonna get tired, too, but it'll be fine after you get used to it.

:chug:

I've seen a clip from Steve Smith's DVD that shows a motion that sounds remarkably similar to what you described. Did you get the Rhythm magazine that came with the free DVD, or do you own History of the US Beat? If not, can anyone else confirm what I suspect?
crazyguy832
03-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Heard of neither, sorry.
spirit
03-30-2006, 05:48 PM
Heard of neither, sorry.

You haven't heard of Steve Smith's History of the US Beat DVD? :amaze:

Well, that could've proved useful. Shame. Know of any free software that would allow me to "aquire" information from a DVD?

http://www.hudsonmusic.com/index1.php?id=117&video=images/mediacatalog/Video Clips/SSteveSmithFunkHudson001

Link'd, just for crazyguy.