Snare volume

[Blizzy_206]

Like the title says I'm having trouble with snare volume. Band practice, of course it is fine. Recording, it's fine aswell. But when I play live it doesn't seem to be able to compete with everything, it's miched and everything. Last show I was at I realized I wasn't the only one. Personally I think the sound guy should have just turned it up, but he never did. Kept all levels the same the entire show. 13 different snares, some loud, some quiet.

So i'm just wondering, what affects this? (I don't have any sort of muffling on my snare)

[Josiah]

Well first off 13 different snares for a single show is absurd, knock that crap off...

I'd **** you over if I was your sound guy too. Who the do you think you are?!

[ThugsRook]

13 snares? ill assume you mean 13 different bands?

thats pretty rediculious, wtf would you want to play at such a show? desperation?

the sound guy sucked, theres nothing you can do about it, get over it.

[Blizzy_206]

13 snares as in ya, 13 bands. The venue didn't want to hold 13 drum kits so they made us use their kit. However we brought our own throne, stands, pedal, cymbals and snare. Or whatever else we needed. So there was still 13 snares. But ya sound guy wasn't so great. Drums sounded horrible for every band there with the exception of a couple snares. But some snares aren't heard near as well as others. Just wonder what causes it. Even with different drummers on the same snare, still the one was louder and what not. Sound guy didn't change anything though.

Just curious as to what causes this.

[Josiah]

Good point thug... didn't think of that.

13 bands...


Ok either way go with what Thug said. It happens. You want a way out of it? Buy a vented snare that will crank - then blast the **** outta everyone.

I got a nice OCDP one for sale... 14x6, the people in the back row will hear your ghost notes.

[Blizzy_206]

Im just asking what causes it..

[Cocaberry]

Metal snares are going to be louder than wood and depending on how each snare is tuned and what sizes all these snares are some may just be louder than others.

[Josiah]

Hit harder. Play a vented snare.

That's about it.

[Blizzy_206]

Just for my knowledge later on.. How does the size affect the volume? the depth, or what? I just need a simple explanation of it so I'll understand for the future.

[ThugsRook]

the bigger it is the louder it is.

tuning is also a major factor ~ find your snares sweetspot and it will be more cutting (louder).

[Blizzy_206]

Alright, thanks everyone :thumb:

[Lewis W]

The size of the place and acoustics have a lot to do with it, and a not to good sound tech will do it everytime. And also if you have to thick of a rug under your kit it will absorb some sound from the snare and the toms.

[Corkofski]

this is why i want to be a sound guy

i HATE it when levels are screwy, and i ALWAYS want to run up to the sound desk and change stuff till its right

problem is, i dont know how yet

roll on college!

[Seafroggys]

sound guys around here can never get vocals right, they're always buried in the guitars.

[some jive turkey]

Sometimes it pays to be meticulous with the sound tech before the band starts playing. If he/she is a lazy asss, and not messing with levels much, then sometimes it can take a little verbal prompting, on your part. Keep asking for this or that until it sounds good. It makes you look picky, but sometimes it's the only way to get them to do their job. It's funny too, when people in the crowd are impatiently waiting for the band to start,like "c'mon sound guy, wtf?"

[Voodoo]

If you're playing a venue where you can't bring your own set, how big could it possibly be? I mean if there are less then a few hundred people there you can easily get by without micing the snare at all.

When you go to small venues you have to expect the sound guy to suck ***. Thats why you have to know what volume levels are good for your band and just hope the sound man can get your kick, snare, and vocalists at a reasonable level, because those tend to lack when your guitar and bass players crank up to a nice loud volume...

[jalel]

I always love it when you get the sound guys that actually work with you and let you tell them if you want something louder.

[crolfe1]

Projection, volume, abominable tone you ask?

Try a 7"x14" or 8"x14", 40 or so ply, double, or triple vented snare with an Amb./Snare Amb. combination and rim shots just might parallel a .50 cal shot.

Or you could just play this solid shell...

http://www.truthdrums.com/images/snares/snare18.jpg

[sLarkin20]

maybe yous a limp wristed mother trucker
hit it harder

[Josiah]

Projection, volume, abominable tone you ask?

Try a 7"x14" or 8"x14", 40 or so ply, double, or triple vented snare with an Amb./Snare Amb. combination and rim shots just might parallel a .50 cal shot.



Anything over about 15-20ply is going to start reducing the amount of sound produced by the drum.

A 40 ply snare will be not as loud as a 10 ply snare. It will be more cutting however as the pitch of the snare will be roughly 6 times higher and have no body. It'd be like a knife through the mix.. no tone, just pure crack.

My 10 ply vented (four 3.5" vents) is plenty loud enough.. in any smaller size venue it doesn't need a mic.

[Futuro]

maybe yous a limp wristed mother trucker
hit it harder
I agree.

[TTTSNB]

I agree.
For sure, also, play more rimshots.

[crazyguy832]

Rimshots are fun!

^_^

[SkaRabbit]

All my sound guys have been awesome.

[ThugsRook]

For sure, also, play more rimshots.
every snare hit shoud be a rimshot :thumb:

[VTDS_xx]

I have a 4x15 All Maple snare with a Coated G1/Hazy 300 combo and at my list show my snare was definitely loud enough. Big place too. It cut through quite well and I don't think I used any rimshots either.

[Loyton]

Projection, volume, abominable tone you ask?

Try a 7"x14" or 8"x14", 40 or so ply, double, or triple vented snare with an Amb./Snare Amb. combination and rim shots just might parallel a .50 cal shot.

Or you could just play this solid shell...

http://www.truthdrums.com/images/snares/snare18.jpg

talk about over kill...

[ThugsRook]

http://www.truthdrums.com/images/snares/snare18.jpg
:confused:

a 10" snare that uses a 14" head?
and only an 8 lugger at that?

:confused:

[Blizzy_206]

If you're playing a venue where you can't bring your own set, how big could it possibly be? I mean if there are less then a few hundred people there you can easily get by without micing the snare at all.

When you go to small venues you have to expect the sound guy to suck ***. Thats why you have to know what volume levels are good for your band and just hope the sound man can get your kick, snare, and vocalists at a reasonable level, because those tend to lack when your guitar and bass players crank up to a nice loud volume...

The venue was big enough for us all to bring our own. But with 13 bands that would be some mad set up times as it was already a late night with the set times and cymbals etc. to set up

People that said stuff about hitting harder, I do fine everywhere but live. Like this guy said..."hope the sound man can get your kick, snare, and vocalists at a reasonable level, because those tend to lack when your guitar and bass players crank up to a nice loud volume."

I also found a bit on the tuning bible about it. About miching the snare. So yay :thumb: The person who set mics up for me set it up wrong.

[Futuro]

and only an 8 lugger at that?Inside diameter FTW. The inside would look like crap with 10 or 12 lugs so close together.

[some jive turkey]

That's a friggin log of a snare drum!
An entire termite colony could live in that snare for about 2 years before you would even notice.

I pretty much always aniticipate that the sound guy will suck. This way, I'm never dissappointed. Pessimistic,yeah, I know.