View Full Version : what do you guys think of tomas hakke/meshuggah?
Fretboardninja
03-27-2006, 08:12 AM
Well from a guitarist that doesnt know much about drumming i think hes pretty darn good but what do you guys think of him? It he really awesome or is it just all hype?
I think you should atleast spell his name correctly.
Fretboardninja
03-27-2006, 08:30 AM
edit:thomas haake
styler
03-27-2006, 09:35 AM
hes meh at best.
Fretboardninja
03-27-2006, 09:40 AM
^ rly?
drumnbass
03-27-2006, 11:07 AM
hes meh at best.
If I could arrange it, you'd be getting punched in the mouth right now for saying that :p . Tomas Haake really is that awesome, no hype about it.
edit: 69 posts lol
master_of_muppets
03-27-2006, 12:03 PM
yeah Ok play a meshuggah song then it be alright to say meh
Loyton
03-27-2006, 12:07 PM
hes meh at best.
Im very very dissapointed in you.
Dont listen to this guy, meshuggah stuff is some of THE hardest, if not THE most difficult drum parts played in a song/band setting.
Im a HUGE fan of meshuggah they are definatly amazing.
Even though all the drum parts on the albums are computerized (just programmed in) to add to the meshuggah "machine" feel, he can play all the stuff exactly.
In short, amazing. Deserves props from everyone. When I think technical, I think meshuggah, and when I think meshuggah, I think badass mother****ing ****storm of sweetness.
Futuro
03-27-2006, 12:09 PM
^ rly?
No, he has no idea what he is talking about.
Tom is an amazing player, I don't think there is one person on here who could play that way.
In short, amazing. Deserves props from everyone. When I think technical, I think meshuggah, and when I think meshuggah, I think badass mother****ing ****storm of sweetness.Pretty good summary.
Loyton
03-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Heh, All this talk made me crave the goodness.
Rational gaze, starting 2:25, try and listen to the bass drum pattern and the hand pattern overtop. No, its not random.
I love listening to that song in my friends car with like 1024 watt kicker, and it feels like the bass drum is actually right behind you.
-edit, Also, if you want, I made a music video for meshuggah along to perpetual black second, if you want it I can send it to you over messenger, or put it on yousendit or somthing.
It WAS on google video, but they took it out because it was too violent. *warning* not for the weak of heart.
Futuro
03-27-2006, 12:19 PM
Even though all the drum parts on the albums are computerized (just programmed in) to add to the meshuggah "machine" feel, he can play all the stuff exactly.IS that true? Kinda dissapointed now. It would just be like me learning the already written pattern...
Loyton
03-27-2006, 12:22 PM
Yea, as I understand it, (I could be totally wrong so dont repeat this, I dont want to spread erronous info) that haake made the parts, like played them along, but then for sake of the feel programmed them in, but was able to play everything first, like he does live.
Im not totally sure though. Ill have to look around and get that confirmed.
Fretboardninja
03-27-2006, 12:52 PM
Heh, All this talk made me crave the goodness.
Rational gaze, starting 2:25, try and listen to the bass drum pattern and the hand pattern overtop. No, its not random.
I love listening to that song in my friends car with like 1024 watt kicker, and it feels like the bass drum is actually right behind you.
-edit, Also, if you want, I made a music video for meshuggah along to perpetual black second, if you want it I can send it to you over messenger, or put it on yousendit or somthing.
It WAS on google video, but they took it out because it was too violent. *warning* not for the weak of heart.
oo i want it
Rayne264
03-27-2006, 01:22 PM
his stuff sounds impossible to play
Jamie FT
03-27-2006, 01:23 PM
I'm a guitarist who's very interested in drumming (I really wanna take drumming up too but space is a bit of an issue, I was thinking about learning on one of those flats kit things, any thoughts you guys?) but I really enjoy Meshuggah and I feel they wouldn't be nearly the same without him.
Futuro
03-27-2006, 01:33 PM
I'm a guitarist who's very interested in drumming (I really wanna take drumming up too but space is a bit of an issue, I was thinking about learning on one of those flats kit things, any thoughts you guys?) but I really enjoy Meshuggah and I feel they wouldn't be nearly the same without him.
I wouldn't suggest the flats...
Jamie FT
03-27-2006, 01:54 PM
Are there any alternatives for space saving or am I gonna have to move everything around?
crazyguy832
03-27-2006, 02:02 PM
Electronic kit.
^ Im planning to get one of those beds that have only a top bunk, leaving the bottom bunk area empty. Then I might put drapes around it to attempt to soundproof. Awesome idea yeh?
crazyguy832
03-27-2006, 02:09 PM
Wouldn't work, I bet ya.
You'd need to get screens and whatnot.
Det_Nosnip
03-27-2006, 02:35 PM
In short, amazing. Deserves props from everyone. When I think technical, I think meshuggah, and when I think meshuggah, I think badass mother****ing ****storm of sweetness.
Shouldn't you think "technical" when you think "Meshuggah?" :confused:
Yea, as I understand it, (I could be totally wrong so dont repeat this, I dont want to spread erronous info) that haake made the parts, like played them along, but then for sake of the feel programmed them in, but was able to play everything first, like he does live.
Im not totally sure though. Ill have to look around and get that confirmed.
Not all of their albums were done that way. Destroy Erase Improve, for example was not.
Anyways, Meshuggah are a great band and I have a ton of respect for Haake. I absolutely love Destroy Erase Improve, although I haven't been able to quite get into their other albums as much.
Phototropic
03-27-2006, 02:51 PM
Yeah only Catch 22 used programmed drums because it was an album they weren't working for long on so they could come to the end of their label and Haake said it would have been too much hassle to shift his drum kit into the studio to record it
All the rest I think are recorded with him playing
CARMEN77
03-27-2006, 03:01 PM
Tomas haake is the ****ing man, my favorite drummer and ive only been listening to meshuggah for like a month now. The whole band just blows me away. Everytime I listen to meshuggah I get put in a trance by how amazing everything sounds.
MESHUGGAH=BEST BAND EVER.
CARMEN77
03-27-2006, 03:02 PM
Catch 33 is drum kit from hell on the album but he plays live so who ****ing cares?
Tomas Haake> everyone
Loyton
03-27-2006, 03:07 PM
^Its catch 33 (to photo), and thanks loads to det for clearing that up. Like I said, I dont want to be spreading wrong info.
As for the video, here it is, but the sound quality got ****ed during conversion, so the quality isnt all the best.
And, like I said, R rated. I just uploaded this to youtube like 5 seconds ago.
-edit It wont let me post yet because youtube has to confirm it.
Futuro
03-27-2006, 03:12 PM
Catch 33 is drum kit from hell on the album but he plays live so who ****ing cares?Me.
Tomas Haake> everyone For the metal genre I probably agree.
Loyton
03-27-2006, 03:18 PM
Gene holgan and Tomas Haake should drum off... what a clash of the titans!!!!
Even though all the drum parts on the albums are computerized (just programmed in) to add to the meshuggah "machine" feel, he can play all the stuff exactly.
only Catch 33 as far as I know of..and some random tracks.
Loyton
03-27-2006, 03:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z194Bx2A18w
Hope you enjoy. lawl.
CARMEN77
03-27-2006, 03:26 PM
Gene Hoglan has said that Tomas haake is the best metal drummer.
CARMEN77
03-27-2006, 03:28 PM
ROFL loyton that video is so funny. Im really high and I cant stop laughing. Amazing!
Futuro
03-27-2006, 03:29 PM
Danny Carey is still my favorite <3
CARMEN77
03-27-2006, 03:37 PM
Danny carey is good, but I like tomas haake's drumming cause he is so damn aggresive. Songs like NMCC just blow my mind and make me go literally ****ing crazy. Few Carey drum parts make me do that but danny isnt an unimpressive drummer. A song like Ticks and leeches is equally impressive as most meshuggah songs but I like my metal!
Loyton
03-27-2006, 03:41 PM
Glad you liked the video.... hahaha.
Coma Divine
03-27-2006, 04:50 PM
Didn't "I" use programmed drums?
Anyway Haake is probably my favorite drummer, including all drummers outside of metal too.
Fretboardninja
03-27-2006, 06:00 PM
I heard they used programmed drums because the whole band wanted more input on the drum parts
Dont listen to this guy, meshuggah stuff is some of THE hardest, if not THE most difficult drum parts played in a song/band setting.
Thats beside the point - Hes also a very musical drummer.
Loyton
03-27-2006, 07:25 PM
Thats beside the point - Hes also a very musical drummer.
Oh agreed most definatly, but I think at some points his difficulty transends his musicality at some points even.
Aaron
03-27-2006, 08:04 PM
Gene holgan and Tomas Haake should drum off... what a clash of the titans!!!!
Gene'd win. He'd just eat him.
Coma Divine
03-27-2006, 08:15 PM
Gene'd win. He'd just eat him.
Hahaha
Det_Nosnip
03-27-2006, 11:43 PM
Danny Carey is still my favorite <3
Yeah, but Danny's not really a "metal" drummer, per se.
Gene holgan and Tomas Haake should drum off... what a clash of the titans!!!!
Unfair battle - they are two completely different players.
Double Bass Jim
03-27-2006, 11:56 PM
Once I heard gene in death I simply can't listen to metal players the same way anymore.
Martin lopez is one of my favs too
Josiah
03-27-2006, 11:58 PM
Tom once posted on these forums under the name of Matt.....
Loyton
03-28-2006, 12:00 AM
like.... "Matt" was the user name?
Coma Divine
03-28-2006, 12:01 AM
Tom once posted on these forums under the name of Matt.....
What'd he talk about?
Josiah
03-28-2006, 12:09 AM
...nothing important.
To quote his Modern Drummer cover interview - "I'm not a drummer"
Hmm, I could never get into them. For some reason it just doesn't sound pleasing. Like the singer or the guitar tone just doesn't sound good. Maybe I need to listen to them more... like when I first listened to Mudvayne or Slipknot.
Although I do like New Millenium Cyanide Christ kinda.
...kinda...
CARMEN77
03-28-2006, 02:46 AM
Josiah why did he say that?
When I first started to like meshuggah i hated them, then liked a few songs here and there, and finally every album. They are my favorite band as of now.
Hehe, Josiah is right on the quote tho..The Slagwerkkrant (dutch drum-percussion mag) did an interview with him once and he basically said the same thing.
Appearently he hardly ever practices, only when the band is working on a new album and to get in shape for touring. I believe he considers him more of a composer/arranger.
Regarding the "programmed tracks"..I believe Frederick Thordendal (lead guitarist) is the main songwriter. I can believe that the whole Drumkit from Hell sampleset is a creation to allow Thordendal to utilize Haake's sound while writing songs with whatever piece of software he prefers.
Phototropic
03-28-2006, 05:06 AM
Whoops my bad, Catch 33 not 22 hehe
Aaron
03-28-2006, 06:51 AM
Meshuggah, Opeth, SYL and Dimmu Borgir get my vote for innovative metal-drums. Pointless comment I know, but.. well, it's the internet so ner!
jalel
03-28-2006, 08:59 AM
Appearently he hardly ever practices, only when the band is working on a new album and to get in shape for touring. I believe he considers him more of a composer/arranger.
Jeez:eek: imagine how good he would be if he shredded every day!
Josiah
03-28-2006, 09:06 AM
To me it just never seems like music, that is emotionally based. It always seems like "how random can we make noise?"
Even in his interview he said something to that effect about just seeing how whack they can make stuff.
Coma Divine
03-28-2006, 10:45 AM
If you think Meshuggah tries to make their music sound as whacky and random as possible without incorporating emotion I suggest you go back and listen to any one of their songs again. I think it may be that you haven't listened to a lot of truly heavy metal and I don't want to make assumptions, but that is how most people view Meshuggah that haven't experienced much music in a similar genre.
The drums may sound mechanical and the guitars "uninspired", but the sheer amount of rage and anger created through their music is mindblowing. Some people listen to bands like Radiohead or Sigur Ros when they need to mellow out, but Meshuggah's emotion through their music aids me in this process moreso then any band I've ever heard. If you don't like it that's fine, but it'd be nice if you could understand their musical intent.
CARMEN77
03-28-2006, 10:57 AM
I think Haake thinks what he is doing is more mental than physical thus he doesnt consider himself a drummer.
Loyton
03-28-2006, 12:36 PM
Hey, I could really care less about all this, what they say, what people say.
I like the final product. I think it is genuine, and rage-filled, and hits the spot every once in a while. I enjoy the music.
Josiah
03-28-2006, 01:00 PM
If you don't like it that's fine, but it'd be nice if you could understand their musical intent.
If you think that was there intent.. you need to re evaluate how you view music.
Just because that's how the music touches you has NOTHING to do with the intent of the writer.
Here's a great example -
Sting's "I'll be watching you"
This is one of the most requested songs at wedding receptions of all time. When Sting was asked about this and what he thought.. know what his response was?
"That's hilarious. I wrote that song about watching my ex wife and how she could never really leave after she deviroced me."
...
Get the point?
In thomas's interview with Modern Drummer he flat out said that they play stuff just to see how out there and whack it can get. That's straight from the horses mouth...
If the music touches you in a way that provokes emotions, awesome! That's great. It's not nessicarly how they intended the music to be, and they've outrightly expressed that.
I've listend to their first album extensively. I had to transcribe parts of it for ear training classes.
It's technically sound and solid music. I can see why it would hit the spot for many. Just for me though, having read what the people who played it have to say about it and having listened to it. It's just kind of like hard elevator music - something to fill the space if you will.
Just for me it's not there.. for many it is. And that's the wonderful thing about music.
Coma Divine
03-28-2006, 01:46 PM
Point taken.
Also however, Haake said in an interview that they don't like to think of themselves as a musician's band, like all technical and whatnot. He went on to say that they like to write albums as a wholefully artistic piece of music. They're clearing trying to convey emotion or sometimes even lacktherof (Catch 33), but yes you're right, we are never sure of their true intention.
Electric Requiem
03-28-2006, 03:59 PM
Josiah why did he say that?
When I first started to like meshuggah i hated them, then liked a few songs here and there, and finally every album. They are my favorite band as of now.
when I first listened to tool my favorite song was intermission
CARMEN77
03-28-2006, 04:18 PM
my favorite tool song IS intermisson. Such a bad *** jingle.
Loyton
03-28-2006, 04:43 PM
Whats wrong with you people :( Intermission is a joke, (cool none the less)
My fav. song is H. because of the lyrics.
I only listen to that song like once a month because it is so special.
CARMEN77
03-28-2006, 05:59 PM
^^^fag
Josiah
03-28-2006, 06:02 PM
My dog loves TooL.
How kickass is that?
CARMEN77
03-28-2006, 09:13 PM
Your dog proally thinks Maynard is a nerdy emo faggot. Get your dog to bang his heads to Haake's Polyrythms instead.
Futuro
03-28-2006, 09:15 PM
My dog loves TooL.
How kickass is that?
Your dog is awsome.
And loyton, agreed on H. That bassline is so :cool:
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