Soares Samba Transcription *Audio*

[moogoogaipan]

I recently transcribed an 8-bar drum break in a tune called "Soares Samba"
It's catchy and fun and I wanted to post it here in case any of you wanted to try and play it.
Here's my playing it... so that you know what it roughly sounds like.
Click here to watch Soares-Samba-Drum-Break (http://media.putfile.com/Soares-Samba-Drum-Break)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/moogoogaipan/soaressamba.jpg

[Drum Monkey]

Catchy? Yes.
Fun? Yes.
:)

-DM

[some jive turkey]

Cool.

I love brazilian music.
I Can't hear the kick drum too well on this computer at work, but make sure you're giving the bass a nice beefy accent on beat 3 (if you're writing and thinking in 4/4). If you're feeling it in 2/4 then nail that kick on the 2.
1, ah-2, ah-1, ah-2.....
It really brings out a lot of feel in the music and it's often overlooked.


You should check out Duduka Da Fonseca, Samba Jazz Fantasia. Amazing drumming on that album.

[moogoogaipan]

make sure you're giving the bass a nice beefy accent on beat 3 (if you're writing and thinking in 4/4). If you're feeling it in 2/4 then nail that kick on the 2.

it might be my recording, but also... my experience through a brief meeting with Ed Soph and through my drum teacher... who was Ed Soph's student is that as far as jazz is concerned, the bass drum is only an augment to the bass... meant for the musicians on stage to feel and barely hear.
I've been taught that it's an insult and an impedance to the bassist if you are playing your bassdrum louder than he is on the parts that he is playing.
I don't claim to be the expert though, I'm just going on what I've experienced.
I take everything I hear with a grain of salt... but I do give a little bias towards my teacher.


You should check out Duduka Da Fonseca
have it... love it

[milkmit]

you should transcribe the beastie boys' song 'POW' for me.... ;)

[red n black]

is the circles with crosses on the snare line rimshots?

[some jive turkey]

yeah, there is definately some feathering involved with bass drum playing, if you're concerned with stepping on top of the bass player. Ideally you want to play with other musicians, not against them. It amazes me how sometimes other musicians don't get this concept. But still, you can add accents without feeling all hip-hop on the bass drum.

I'm no expert either, I've just worked through Duduka's book and some other sources, and been fortunate to have the chance to play around with it with some other musicians. I actually like to play Brazilian music, it isn't just something I do to become a better drummer.

[moogoogaipan]

I'm no expert either, I've just worked through Duduka's book and some other sources, and been fortunate to have the chance to play around with it with some other musicians. I actually like to play Brazilian music, it isn't just something I do to become a better drummer.
I love Brazilian music...

answer me this... what is Duduka's book like? I didn't know there was one

[moogoogaipan]

is the circles with crosses on the snare line rimshots?
yep... rimshot indeed

[xeonman9000]

That is freakin' sweet and well played, very nicely written too, usually a drum art is just a scribble, you even kept the 4/4 phrasing rather than using a dotted crotchet at the start, good work.

[Zildjian]

whoa, thats sweet

[Metaldrummer616]

nice man:thumb:
wut kind of heads are u using on ur toms?

[moogoogaipan]

nice man:thumb:
wut kind of heads are u using on ur toms?
remo coated ambassadors

[some jive turkey]

I love Brazilian music...

answer me this... what is Duduka's book like? I didn't know there was one

"Brazilian rhythms for drumset"/Manhattan Music

The book takes different percussion parts, traditionally played by numerous percussionists, of various styles (samba, bossa, baiao...) and adapts them to be played by one person on a drum set. It's kind of broken up stylistically.(see the table of contents here:http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0769209874/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-6397952-6526413#reader-page

All in all it's a wonderful book, my only criticism of it is that the learning curve is very scattered. Challenging things are grouped amongst easy things, but it's good in that you're looking at stuff again and again, but can be difficult to focus on something if you're skipping around all over the place in the book.

[moogoogaipan]

"Brazilian rhythms for drumset"/Manhattan Music


so is it a groove book, or is it extremely adaptable like syncopation and Stick Control.
I enjoy looking through groove books, but they don't help me that much because they only really offer you one interpretation. I prefer open ended books that allow you to be creative within the context of the book.
Is that how this book is?

[some jive turkey]

It's mostly grooves, but not entirely. There are ways to disect the rhythms. There are skeletal snare patterns, and such, but it's not designed like New Breed, or anything.

But really, unless the student in question is an automaton, any groove book is open to interpretation. I'm always drawing in accents, open hi hats, etc, new ideas in books, to evolve them and personalize things a bit.

Duduka is a jazz drummer, I dont think the info is designed to be presented in some strict tradition. If you learn two dozen samba(or any style) grooves, then you begin to develop a vocabulary for that style, and gain the ability to start playing around with that language.
It sounds like you're saying "groove book" like it's a bad thing to study, or that it's beneath your abilities.

[moogoogaipan]

It sounds like you're saying "groove book" like it's a bad thing to study, or that it's beneath your abilities.
nah, I'm just saying that groove books have a some great rhythms. But they only present one way of overcoming an obstacle and you can spend hours trying to find the perfect opportunity to use that one beat you learned, as opposed to a book that teaches you the vocabulary and how to personalize without giving you strict rules.

[red n black]

I don't mean to be picky, but shouldn't the half-note break on the BD in the seventh bar be dotted???

[moogoogaipan]

I don't mean to be picky, but shouldn't the half-note break on the BD in the seventh bar be dotted???
nah... the way I had it, I should have put a quarter rest after it.
But that measure was wrong anyway. If you put another set of 2 eighths at the beginning of that run, then it'd be good.

[some jive turkey]

nah, I'm just saying that groove books have a some great rhythms. But they only present one way of overcoming an obstacle and you can spend hours trying to find the perfect opportunity to use that one beat you learned, as opposed to a book that teaches you the vocabulary and how to personalize without giving you strict rules.

yeah, but can't you just learn a vocabulary by learning tons of grooves (along with fills that fit the style of music), and then learning to improvise with that vocabulary?
I've never veiwed beats and grooves as "strict rules". They're just ideas. Not many drummers just play some beat verbatim, the whole way through a song. At some point, and it comes pretty early in one's development, you learn to tinker with a groove to break up the repetition, while still retaining a proper musical feel. Really, the best way (that I know) to learn this is to study large ammounts of grooves and then start mixing it up. I think grooves are the most crucial thing to study on the drumset. If you can't groove, you sure can't do anything else.

by the way,
Who was the artist who originally recorded the version you transcribed here?