How do you define Pop/Pop Rock?

[Dinosawesome]

For me, I put it as bands like Matchbox 20 and Franz Ferdinand. Bands that are of a rock genre but get a shitload of press coverage.

So, how do you define Pop/Pop Rock?

[Benzum]

Franz Ferdinand are just lame UK indie, though

[Lydisk]

could A-ha be defined as Pop rock?

[hybridreality]

I define pop music by its literal meaning, popular music.

So I would define rock music as music of the rock genre that is popular.

I don't really consider pop to be a genre in itself.

[ME!!!]

Franz Ferdinand are just lame UK indie, though
Shut up foo'

[Happy]

Franz Ferdinand are just lame UK indie, though
I don't think they're Indie, I dislike them but I do think they're pop-rock.
Their new singles terrible. How on Earth did they manage to get away with that one?

[Benzum]

I don't think they're Indie, I dislike them but I do think they're pop-rock.
Their new singles terrible. How on Earth did they manage to get away with that one?

www.nme.com

:D

[Triangle]

www.nme.com

:D
It's so true. ;)

[Happy]

www.nme.com

:D
Oh christ.

I wish they'd all die.

[Trainee_Guitarist]

That End Of Fashion band can get shoved in here.

[Dinosawesome]

I reckon I could do a decent job of modding such a small sub-forum.

Nath, wtf man, you know they won't just give you all your posts back, I thought you had ranted about this before? :)
Yeah but before I was constantly being abusive in the site forum. Now I don't even go there and I keep it pretty tame in the Pit.

[Benzum]

If you do get your posts back, and the old monopoly man avatar, heh.

I'd give you your posts back if I could, but alas, no can do

:thumb:

[Dinosawesome]

Oh well, it's the thought that counts.

[2muchket!]

www.nme.com

:D

NME in the past was a good music mag, only lately has it really engineered the hype express

[ME!!!]

NME in the past was a good music mag, only lately has it really engineered the hype express
e.g Arctic Monkeys.
They are the new rolling stones.

[Father]

Pop rock.

maroon 5 ... and shi

oh ..wait i dont think so... maybe matchbox 20 and goo goo dolls and shi.

[muthafunkabass]

I thought this thread was about your definition of pop, not who should mod this sub-forum. I'm sure MX can handle this all on his own for a while. Besides, all of you that want to be mod are only doing it for the power, not because you like Pop music.

Anyway, my definition of Pop music is that it is music based on catchy phrasing and beats made to be easily listened to by many people around the world.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Oh boy oh boy a pop forum!

[Jazzy K]

I define Pop as a genre for vocalist who don't classify as R&B, Rock, Jazz, or Blues.

This is just my opinion but I think its a genre for half *** singers that consider themselves dancers and entertainers for the most part. Dancer first singer last.

[dei]

Franz Ferdinand isn't indie. Their records are released by Sony, dip****s.

Pop? Well, I consider people like Beyonce and Britney pop. It's not about sound or music, really. Pop's more about entertainment.

Pop-rock would be stuff like The Click Five and all that mad gay stuff. Basically boy bands that play instruments (or pretend they do).

[Dave de Sylvia]

I define Pop as a genre for vocalist who don't classify as R&B, Rock, Jazz, or Blues.

This is just my opinion but I think its a genre for half *** singers that consider themselves dancers and entertainers for the most part. Dancer first singer last.
That's either a really narrow definition or a stupidly broad one.

Franz Ferdinand isn't indie. Their records are released by Sony, dip****s.
Oh not this crap again.

[Kif]

It's hard to classify "pop", since there are so many different sides to it. There's those which appeal to a specific market purely following trends, and those who sing much more neiche (sp?) music.

I'd classify pop as Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson and Justin Timberlake, but at the same time people like Dido, KT Tunstall and James Blunt.

[Irish Nostalgic]

High on the melody, low on the intellectualism.

[dei]

Oh not this crap again.

He needed to be corrected. I am tired of kids running around, thinking they know what they're talking about. It's insanely annoying.

[Happy]

could A-ha be defined as Pop rock?
I'd say so, definately.

[dei]

I'd say so, definately.
Quote.

[Benzum]

He needed to be corrected. I am tired of kids running around, thinking they know what they're talking about. It's insanely annoying.

Were you referring to me?

[Jazzy K]

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]That's either a really narrow definition or a stupidly broad one.




What exactly is Pop? I have no idea. You can take an artist like Stevie Wonder and call him a Pop star because he's popular but when someone asks what type of music does he do? You say R&B, Funk or whatever it is that Stevie decides to write that day. Brittany Spears is a Pop star but what type of music does she do? Pop? Well what the hell does that mean? I wish someone will explain it because I honestly don't get it.

[Benzum]

Stuff like Avril Lavigne, Josh Stone and all that....

[Jazzy K]

Stuff like Avril Lavigne, Josh Stone and all that....

I heard of Joss Stone who is Neo Soul but not Josh Stone. Avril Lavigne I thought was a rocker or Punk.

[Benzum]

I heard of Joss Stone who is Neo Soul but not Josh Stone. Avril Lavigne I thought was a rocker or Punk.

There is nothing "punk" about her at all, so no.

That was just purely an example btw :p

Joss Stone is what I meant.

[Happy]

Avril Lavigne I thought was a rocker or Punk.
Nah, she's pop-punk at most, like Good Charlotte.

[Dave de Sylvia]

He needed to be corrected. I am tired of kids running around, thinking they know what they're talking about. It's insanely annoying.
Take your own advice, kid.

What exactly is Pop? I have no idea. You can take an artist like Stevie Wonder and call him a Pop star because he's popular but when someone asks what type of music does he do? You say R&B, Funk or whatever it is that Stevie decides to write that day. Brittany Spears is a Pop star but what type of music does she do? Pbop? Well what the hell does that mean? I wish someone will explain it because I honestly don't get it.
I'd say Stevie Wonder could be classified as R&B, soul, pop and any number of other things. The way I look at it, pop music can occur in any genre of music, with some obvious exceptions (i.e. I doubt orchestral prog black metal will ever achieve pop status)- it's an underlying set of melodic and structural sensibilities which happen to work best within certain genres- early swing, early rock n roll, early r&b, soft rock, soul etc. I mean, I doubt many people would describe Nirvana or the Sex Pistols as pure pop music, but I wouldn't say their selling 20 million albums each was pure coincidence- they obviously had certain characteristics which made them acceptable to the same sort of popular audiences.

As for Britney Spears: if she, instead of producing a major label, ultra-polished whatever, released the exact same album from her own pocket and only sold 100 or 1000 copies, would it still be a pop album? I'd say so, even if it's not popular.

I should mod this place
Moz should mod this place, and maybe Liberi if he feels like it.

[2muchket!]

Well I'd define pop rock as like nickelback and creed. Pop muisc can really mean a whole variety of genres. Rock, rap, R&B are all pop I'd say because really they are popular genres generally.

[JohnXDoe]

Well I'd define pop rock as like nickelback and creed
Nickelback and Creed are not pop rock. They are poop rock. :smash:

[Jazzy K]

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Take your own advice, kid.


I'd say Stevie Wonder could be classified as R&B, soul, pop and any number of other things. The way I look at it, pop music can occur in any genre of music, with some obvious exceptions (i.e. I doubt orchestral prog black metal will ever achieve pop status)- it's an underlying set of melodic and structural sensibilities which happen to work best within certain genres- early swing, early rock n roll, early r&b, soft rock, soul etc. I mean, I doubt many people would describe Nirvana or the Sex Pistols as pure pop music, but I wouldn't say their selling 20 million albums each was pure coincidence- they obviously had certain characteristics which made them acceptable to the same sort of popular audiences.

As for Britney Spears: if she, instead of producing a major label, ultra-polished whatever, released the exact same album from her own pocket and only sold 100 or 1000 copies, would it still be a pop album? I'd say so, even if it's not popular.


That's sort of what I was trying to say the first time. I wasn't thinking Pop in terms of popularity but Pop as being maybe a different genre. Yes there are popular rockers or whatever but I just like to call them rockers, punkers or R&B singers. I hate the word pop when its put before those other genres.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I don't really see why. There's rock music that's overtly poppy and there's rock music that isn't; I don't see the harm in differentiating them like that.

[Jazzy K]

If I said that a singer I liked was pop or had a pop song then people automatically assume that the person can't really sing because Pop sort of has a negative connotation that surrounds it. Like a lot of Pop artist shows consist of 80% dancing matched by weak vocal ability.

I should probably make this clear while I'm here. I'm not knocking people for liking it or saying that its bad music because I'm a huge Janet Jackson fan. Lets be real though she's not an outstanding singer.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well that's their problem; I don't think enforcing the stereotype will do anything to help matters. Janet Jackson may not be a great singer, but there's plenty of pop singers who are. Imogen Heap, for example, already has her own thread in here.

[murphy54]

Shakira is like that

[Dragon_Prince]

The beatles were the most popular band around, but to put them here 8-)

[EightMilesHigh]

Pop rock is basically rock music with a visible (or audible (is that a word?)) debt to pop. Example: The Cars. The Cars are new wave pop rock.

[Riziger]

I think Pop is generally what you see on MTV and Channel V. There is no real genre for pop it simply means Popular music.

Not all pop is neccesarily bad tho. However most are.

[musicforlife]

Originally Posted bydei
Franz Ferdinand isn't indie. Their records are released by Sony, dip****s.

Pop? Well, I consider people like Beyonce and Britney pop. It's not about sound or music, really. Pop's more about entertainment.

Pop-rock would be stuff like The Click Five and all that mad gay stuff. Basically boy bands that play instruments (or pretend they do).


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[Seafroggys]

Once upon a time, pop meant popular music.

The Who, THe Beatles, Led Zeppelin, etc. were all considered pop music.

[QueenofAncients]

Franz Ferdinand isn't indie. Their records are released by Sony, dip****s.

Just coz they are signed with Sony doesn't mean that they can't be Indie.

Once upon a time, pop meant popular music.

The Who, THe Beatles, Led Zeppelin, etc. were all considered pop music.

To Quote Jack Osbourne (Don't Blame Me: The Tales of Ozzy Osbourne DVD, 1991) "My daddy's a famous pop singer"

Pop Music is a shorter way to say Popular Music. This means anything that is considered popular at the time.
Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, Beatles, 'Stones, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Shakira, Britney (sadly), Franz Ferdinand, Green Day - you can see where this is going right??

It's unfortunate that pop music has been defined at anything that a cheesy melody, meaningless words and well, crap vocals. There should be a new genre thought up, we have nu-metal, pop-punk, pop-rock, 'alternative', to be able to classify singers (I refuse to call them artists when their music is anything but 'art'), such as Britney Spares, Christina (though she has improved from Genie in a Bottle, despite the hiccup with Dirrty etc), Beyonce, Destiny's Child etc.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Glorified strippers!

[Jacaranda]

*Spears

[Dave de Sylvia]

She could have a loan of one of my "Spares", if you know what I mean.

[Kaden]

Shakira is like that
You mean awesome? Yeah, I agree.

[Lady Lex]

Pop Music is a shorter way to say Popular Music. This means anything that is considered popular at the time.
Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, Beatles, 'Stones, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Shakira, Britney (sadly), Franz Ferdinand, Green Day - you can see where this is going right??

It's unfortunate that pop music has been defined at anything that a cheesy melody, meaningless words and well, crap vocals. There should be a new genre thought up, we have nu-metal, pop-punk, pop-rock, 'alternative', to be able to classify singers (I refuse to call them artists when their music is anything but 'art'), such as Britney Spares, Christina (though she has improved from Genie in a Bottle, despite the hiccup with Dirrty etc), Beyonce, Destiny's Child etc.

I think we've over-genred as it is :lol: :) I share similar thoughts to you actually :)

The thing with the whole Pop industry: it actually has very little to do with the music and everything to do with the motivation. Okay.. we know its money. But its WHERE the money goes that is the basis:

Pop Music is image based and image driven. Whether you are nujazz, nu-rock, nu-pop or nu-wave. The image or symbol or icon of the artist is used to drive the sales. Thats where it starts. Anything else from there is.. actually the music. ;)

[Dave de Sylvia]

No, music that sounds pop is pop. It's pretty simple once you stop trying so hard to define it.

[pulseczar]

I define it by the feeling in muh bones.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Dis felluhs gut it

[Lady Lex]

No, music that sounds pop is pop. It's pretty simple once you stop trying so hard to define it.

And what defines Pop as 'pop' then?

what would the pop sound be?


Just curious :) Ive spent the last 5 years trying to answer that question. To me, it all comes back to how much of a gig/radio/tv/media whore you are. ;)

[Dave de Sylvia]

It'd kind of defeat the point if you could define it. It's just a feeling you get from the structure, the melodies, the arrangement and, like you said, the presentation. I love lots of power pop bands and artists that have no real interest in going huge but are still indisuptably pop.

[Lady Lex]

But humans will try to always define things. It is human nature to categorise.

Soo... then how can you justify that 'feeling' and compare it from Elvis' "That's Alright Mama" (absolutely THE Pop music of the time when released in 1953) to Britney's "Hit Me Baby blah blah blah" ?

The tunes are totally different from each other, but both are unmistakeably pop. Because basically, what it comes down to is how many units those tunes can push.

Popular Music is popular because it is marketed on the image it represents. And us humans, being covetous by nature (*wink), are absolute suckers for what we find aesthetically pleasing :)

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well yeah, you're almost there. They're both undeniably pop, not because they necessarily did sell a ton of records but because they both had similar potential too. Similar structures, stresses and sensibilities. You need a base to market on.

[QueenofAncients]

No, music that sounds pop is pop. It's pretty simple once you stop trying so hard to define it.


that does not make sense. Pop music is what is popular at the time. Elvis was pop music in this prime, so was Ozzy Osbourne, (even Jack thinks so), you can't say that its pop coz it sounds like pop.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Yeah, I can do and I can do it really well too.

[badtaste]

I think when we refer to 'pop music', we should be thinking about modern pop today. Not old 'pop'. I doubt that metal or punk will become pop in the future. Social trends just don't change instantly any more.

Pop music isn't a music, but a form of entertainment. As well as being an audio stimuli, it is also a visual stimuli.

You could say pop music generally follows a basic structure along the lines of verse-chorus-verse-chorus, etc....

I'd like to think that 'pop music' doesn't just contain pop music, but also contains hip - hop, rap, etc...

[morrissey]

Pop music doesn't have to be popular to be pop.

[badtaste]

Pop music doesn't have to be popular to be pop.

Is that in reference to anybody, or just a statement?

But yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. These days, 'pop music' isn't music which isn't currently popular to everybody. 'Pop music' is simply a type of music (or something like that).

[Dave de Sylvia]

I don't think you're entirely sure what you're trying to say. It would help if you weren't using the same phrase to describe two different things.

[badtaste]

I don't think you're entirely sure what you're trying to say. It would help if you weren't using the same phrase to describe two different things.

I'll try again.

'Pop music' ISN'T the wide range of music that is popular to the people of the current time.

'Pop music' IS a genre of music. I'm thinking Britney, Christina, Spice Girls, Justin Timberlake, etc...

A 'pop market' exists, which contains 'pop music', rap, hip-hop. This is the range of music that always exists in the charts of most Western countries.

HOWZAT?! (Not perfect, I know)

[Dave de Sylvia]

You're still overthinking it. I mean, I know an apple when I taste one but I wouldn't be able to describe how it tastes. But it still tastes like an apple. Even if it's in a pie.

[badtaste]

Give up.

[morrissey]

Is that in reference to anybody, or just a statement?

Sorry it was in reference to the last post on the previous page but I was too lazy to quote it and too lazy to edit my post when I noticed there was a new page.

[QueenofAncients]

these days Pop Music is the genre given to the music that a lot people don't like - no matter the artist - you don't like it? to "happy" for you? then it's pop right? wrong. I think that Pop Music should mean Popular Music not happy-happy-joy-joy songs of bullsh**!

[Substitute]

'pop music',
is a select genre of music occupied by bands that use the music industry in order to become rich or famous, or gain worldwide recognition and appreciation. For example, The Beatles weren't pop because they did their own thang and were in it for personal enjoyment, but The Monkees were pop because they stood for nothing and were in it for the original three reasons.
Very few pop bands are in it for the hell of it, or for the love of making music. That's why I regard most rap, hip hop, urban music, whatever to be poppy, because they're in it to be rich and famous.





So, it doesn't mean popular. Although the bands that are pop can be popular and usually are, there is no actual link.

[Dave de Sylvia]

One thing I find interesting about peoples' definitions is that most are always careful to exempt music they actually like from 'pop' status. There's absolutely no reason in the world why the Beatles wouldn't be pop, they defined themselves as pop, yet for some reason people make the distinction.

[Aklerc]

Popular/mainstream music. Something with a catchy tune and where the people don't play they're own instruments. If they play their own instruments they tend to go into the pop-punk/indie category for me.

[randomthought9]

Pop to me is simple, catchy, and relies on hooks and big choruses.

[badtaste]

is a select genre of music occupied by bands that use the music industry in order to become rich or famous, or gain worldwide recognition and appreciation. For example, The Beatles weren't pop because they did their own thang and were in it for personal enjoyment, but The Monkees were pop because they stood for nothing and were in it for the original three reasons.
Very few pop bands are in it for the hell of it, or for the love of making music. That's why I regard most rap, hip hop, urban music, whatever to be poppy, because they're in it to be rich and famous.

So, it doesn't mean popular. Although the bands that are pop can be popular and usually are, there is no actual link.

How about Metallica with St Anger? I doubt that they did for personal enjoyment. They made St Anger to jump on the new metal bandwagon and find a new base of fans to make money.

I'm pretty sure some pop stars do enjoy their music. Tonnes of girls love singing and writing tunes, but that doesn't mean they simply want to dominate the world with their image.

Same with rap, I'm pretty sure NWA and Run DMC were more interested in writing good music, rather than becoming rich and famous.

[Lady Lex]

is a select genre of music occupied by bands that use the music industry in order to become rich or famous, or gain worldwide recognition and appreciation. For example, The Beatles weren't pop because they did their own thang and were in it for personal enjoyment, but The Monkees were pop because they stood for nothing and were in it for the original three reasons.
Very few pop bands are in it for the hell of it, or for the love of making music. That's why I regard most rap, hip hop, urban music, whatever to be poppy, because they're in it to be rich and famous.





So, it doesn't mean popular. Although the bands that are pop can be popular and usually are, there is no actual link.

pfft. You have no concept of how a label operates then.

its not THE BAND or THE MUSICIANS who USE the industry. Your post absolutely sh*ts me.

Pop Music is all about the record label. It exploits the krap out of the artist.
The antiquated idea of Patronage has assumed the guise of Record Label.

If an Exec comes up to you waving a load of $$ under your nose and offering to make your music and name well known - it would be very hard to say no wouldnt it. Ive said no - with great diffculty - and Im damned glad I did.

Pop Music is all about the almighty dollar FOR the record label and not about the actual product (being the musician or their music). An artist's day is literally taken up by all the PR they have to do because the thrust of the market is The Image.

The industry has many amazing musicians involved - not JUST the ones that make it onto your MTV screens either. Im speaking of the songwriters, the arrangers, the producers, the session musicians (esp them.. theyre often better than the frontlining members)... everyone who is musically involved in the process of making the album.

So get your facts right okay? Musos dont use the industry. Theyre merely treated as cannon fodder.

PS I hate Payola too.. but hey. Makes the industry run dammit.

[form]

A girl singing and just a 'poppy' feel, can't really explain.

Most of the bands in here I don't really think are pop-rock.

[Jacaranda]

Retarded rant
Ya whatever. You got the low down on every pop artist ever.

[Phototropic]

Hmm I thought pop was music for people to sing and dance to...but usually holds nothing deeper than what you see on the surface as opposed to say...uh Pink Floyd or Opeth?!

JUST as an example, dont think I'm a fanboy of either of those bands

[Dave de Sylvia]

Ya whatever. You got the low down on every pop artist ever.
yo man its all about the industry man

payola i dont like but man payola

[incubotic]

Difficult question. With all bands, or most decent ones, their music will cover a variety of genres eg Michael Jackson- Beat It is popular rock but then Billie Jean is just Pop and Wanna Be Startin Something is disco/dance pop (all on the same album)

Essentially its simple- Popular Rock Bands eg Greenday, Foo Fighters, RHCP but those bands also fit into other genres too eg Greenday (Punk), Foo Fighters (Hard/Alternative Rock) and RHCP (Funk). The name 'Pop Rock' also has negative connetations- ie with bands like Busted or McFly.

The way I think of pop-rock is rock type bands with a mainstream sound, though
-they dont have to be popular themselves
-neither do popular rock bands eg RHCP become pop-rock by definition

Examples would be Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind etc. Blink 182 and Greenday are more punk-pop.

[incubotic]

Hmm I thought pop was music for people to sing and dance to...but usually holds nothing deeper than what you see on the surface as opposed to say...uh Pink Floyd or Opeth?!

JUST as an example, dont think I'm a fanboy of either of those bands

The Beatles are pop music but their music is just as deep as Pink Floyd eg 'Eleanor Rigby' vs 'Time', same with The Beach Boys and 'God Only Knows'.
More recently Prince and Michael Jackson in the 80s were making lots of pop music that offered something deeper than what you see on the surface eg 'Billie Jean' or 'When Doves Cry' and many more.

I agree most pop in the charts these days is disposable crap but classic, well written pop music is often deep, moving and, in my opinon, the best type of music around. In the past at least, pop music was where it was at, its only these days that the big pop artists make lame music.

Almost all the great songwriters agree that half the time, all they want to do is make a simple pop song and its the most difficult thing to do, but when it works its about the best thing round and are the songs that are remembered the longest. This is something Ive heard Elliott Smith say, and also Paul McCartney.

[badtaste]

I still insist that my definitions were perfect.

Pop market contains poppy, catchy songs ranging from Eminem to Britney to Nickelback.

Pop music is strictly Britney, Christina, anyone from American idol.

[QueenofAncients]

This thread is going around and around in circles and no one is actually 'listening' to what other people are saying!

[badtaste]

This thread is going around and around in circles and no one is actually 'listening' to what other people are saying!

Trust me... no actually cares about the topic. It's just another conspiracy started by the Freemasons.

[rockbrigade]

Pop in my mind IS a genre that really throws the hole being artsy for the sake of ebing artsy thing out the window

and i kind of like that...im not afraid to admit it that simpler is often more aesthetic and there definatly IS a mainstream 'sound'

there was a study of time signiture, chord progression, genre ect of the #1 songs of the past 50 years and it basically came up with

people like pop....people hate pop BECAUSE so many people like it, yet its simple so its kind of a slap in the face to other genre;s that do wierd stuff yet miss out on

THE MELODY...if a song a super catchy melody with harmony and has a chord progression of I IV V I ...ITS POP...

no matter the percieved genre: if you add catchy melody and a common pop esq chord progression it will sound like pop! this is not a diss, I like pop

i think nostalgia often gets in the way of the semantics of these definitions

my fav band cant possibly be considered {gasp} POP!!! NOOOO

lol... IMO the Beatles, the beach boys etc

were all boy bands like the Backstreet boys, its just that corporate america wasnt the well oiled money whore machine back then....you better believe the record companies were tryin to be though...

ps this is not a dis...i like pop...i think melody is the most important part of song

[Lady Lex]

Ya whatever. You got the low down on every pop artist ever.
Ya whatever. You only see the frontliner and think thats all 'pop music' is. Good for you ignorant :)

Rockbrigade: I agree with you in many ways. Theres an 'art' (LOL) to 'keeping things simple'.

[comptonassrobert]

Nah, she's pop-punk at most, like Good Charlotte.

Neither her nor Good Charlotte are anything even close to pop-punk =/

The Bouncing Souls ftw

[Lady Lex]

hmm compton... what sites do you hang out on where you have 'ftw'? ^^ :lol: :)

[Mr_Bounce]

I think pop rock is simply pop that has some rock influence to make it sound different to clean **** like old Britney or whatever.

[XxXRandom_RegectXxX]

i would think that good charlotte is a pop/rock/punk band yep in my opinion pop/rock/punk it is i love GC i dont care if ya diss them joel madden is hot!!

[XxXRandom_RegectXxX]

Neither her nor Good Charlotte are anything even close to pop-punk =/

The Bouncing Souls ftw
are you dissing GC? and if u dont think they are pop/punk what do u think they are?

[EightMilesHigh]

are you dissing GC? and if u dont think they are pop/punk what do u think they are?

id say theyre just plain pop

as in, like a boy band

[laurah]

Become a popstar!
I just heard about this website www.infinitemonkeyproject.com
You just text in some lyrics and you could end up with your song in the UK Top 10!
It's so easy, give it a try!

[sweboy]

For me, I put it as bands like Matchbox 20 and Franz Ferdinand. Bands that are of a rock genre but get a shitload of press coverage.

So if they would not have got that much press coverage, they would have been a different genre of music? Can a band's genre change over time as they get more popular, even though they play the same music?

I don't think that genre has anything at all to do with popularity, success, press coverage etc. The only thing defining genre is the music.

[SanSquared]

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