I don't care about Tony Royster or anyone else.I AM STILL ALIVE

[metallas]

All these days I have been talking with my instructor, friends and parents.
Everyone suggested to continue.No they weren't as bast- ards as some of you.They used logical reasons to persuade me.
But the real reason I was quiting drumming was that I thought that I would never have the chance to study with Denis Champers or Dave Weckle.Because behind every good drummer ,is a very good instuctor.
I don't say that my instuctor can't teach me.But what if I studied with Thomas Lang?
So I decided to spend all my summer working as a slave, to save up money so I can come to USA and take a course of lessons from an Elite drummer, so I know the right path that follows to success like Tony royster.
I don't even care for what you think of me.I was in a period of bad self confidence.but not anymore.
I am gonna do whatever it takes to become as good as I want to be.
so if the solution is to study with Denis Champers ,I am gonna fu..ckin do it.

[milkmit]

you're strange.

oh, and good luck and stuff..

[Talos]

Good luck man, its good to hear youre drumming again

[LostRythym]

Er...Okay, but anyway drumming isn't all about success and fame. Its supposed to be fun and interesting. Anyway, good luck, hope your wishes get fufilled

[some jive turkey]

Tell Dennis I said he owns.:thumb:

[Seafroggys]

^^^ love your location, that was such a good movie...and song!

[Corkofski]

stop being an emo, attention seeking twat

[Btrutt87]

you better be really freakin good. dave weckl rips apart even the best drummers. based on the fact that you were going to quit on a whim, i doubt drumming is that important to you.

[Skin Beater]

Haha this threadstarter has to be a joke made up by one of the other members...

[rohbit]

Haha this threadstarter has to be a joke made up by one of the other members...

YOU KNOW WHAT GOD... DAMNIT!

I said that like 4 freakin times, and noone listened to me!
This forum sucks!
I'm going to quit drumming!

[Double Bass Jim]

I think it's safe to say we all want you to quit now :lol:

[Cocaberry]

Heh, I knew this was going to happen. This guy wasn't really going to quit. What a d1ckhead. Makin a big fuss out of nothing.

Threadstarter: Next time you have your little mood swings please stay away from D&P.

[Pauly]

Atleast if the threadstarter ever takes up smoking he'll be able to quit easily.

The glass is half full!

[puppet.master]

this guys a ****ing drama queen

serioulsy dude

shut the hell up we dont care wat u do with your life

[styler]

champers?weckle?

cut the drama and you could be a little less of a bas-tard yourself.

welcome back? i dont reckon you ever left. but anyways. welcome back.

[ZeppaMusic]

take it easy guys, i dont think you all have to come out with the attack's and metallas for your own benifit dont post another thread like thos

[Jezen]

you better be really freakin good. dave weckl rips apart even the best drummers. based on the fact that you were going to quit on a whim, i doubt drumming is that important to you.

It's not about being good. It's about enjoying yourself and expressing yourself musically and artistically.

He should keep playing because of this.

EDIT: Although "Champers" and "Weckle" is pretty damn funny...

[mysticalyeti]

Spaces come after periods!

[styler]

i wish my name was champers.

[Aaron]

i wish my name was aardvark [the only damn word in the dictionary before me].

[metallas]

I have to tell you (I mean the people disscurage me) that I don't give a f ck.
And I am gonna stay at MX forums (as the admin lets me stay) cause there are a few people that support each other and don't rush to judge people.
For the rest of you ,I just don't care.

[Carn]

I want to quit. My teacher isnt an ELITE drummer. Its not important at all that you practice suffiencently, you just need an ELITE teacher!

31337!

[metallas]

haha very funny.You think that if a drummer like denis champers, give you his knowledge would have the same results as the knowledge from a standard instructor?

[Carn]

who do you think that instructed Chambers?

[Pauly]

Some people can teach you better than others. Just because they're a good drummer doesn't make them a good instructor.

[Carn]

good point. My teacher is an educated classical percussion and drums instructor. Is he "great" as in compared to big name drummers? No.

But he is a good instructor who knows enough about basically every topic to teach a student more than the basics and allow those students to learn the rest on their own. That's how it works.

[Carn]

And the biggest reason why those "elite" drummers are good because they practice 5 to 10 hours a day.

[styler]

if you call him champers one more time im gonna freak the **** out.

[Cocaberry]

I have to tell you (I mean the people disscurage me) that I don't give a f ck.
And I am gonna stay at MX forums (as the admin lets me stay) cause there are a few people that support each other and don't rush to judge people.
For the rest of you ,I just don't care.

You are an idiot.

If the people discourage you than you do care. Your first sentence contradicts itself.

And I hope admins don't let you stay cause you are a damn drama queen.

[Loyton]

murder/suicide

[ringworm]

Threadstarter: Next time you have your little mood swings please stay away from D&P.


No, just please stay away for good.

[ThugsRook]

But the real reason I was quiting drumming was that I thought that I would never have the chance to study with Denis Champers or Dave Weckle. Because behind every good drummer ,is a very good instuctor.
so, you really think that playing drums is about who your instructor is? :confused:


youre an idiot.


drumming is about passion ~ please quit now.

[spike9908]

having a instructor who is an "elite" drummer isnt even half the battle of getting good. sure it may help a little, but what it comes down to is dedication, and if seeing someone who is better than you, or realizing you will never have an elite drummer as an instructor made you even think about quitting, you dont have the dedication it takes to get good.

[Det_Nosnip]

And the biggest reason why those "elite" drummers are good because they practice 5 to 10 hours a day.

Or have a ton of experience playing music professionally.

I think that Metallas' reasoning is pretty straightforward: he wants to be really good, but he doesn't want to work for it. He figures that if he finds one of these incredible drummers and throws down a whole bunch of money, he'll somehow be able to play like them.

Wrong. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if most of these guys turn you down with the busy schedules that they run. Guys with such high profiles make their money from gigging and recording albums, not teaching, and they tend to be pretty picky with the students they choose. Most of the guys you mention are fantastic players, but that doesn't necessarily make them the best teachers - Tommy Igoe and Dom Famularo would actually probably be better choices if you're going for the "elite" category than Weckl or, for God's sake, Chambers (who can't even read music, last I heard).

[Talos]

The guys have a great point, my teacher is a great teacher. Hes not an amazing pro drummer but he helps me with what I need doing and sometimes he gives me discounts :p Anyway, sometimes it would be cool to have one of the pros to teach you but what if they cant teach? Youre fooked all because you wanted to sit next to a pro. Youre an idiot and I hope you do get banned!

[White]

You wanted to quit because you werb't gonna become a pro??? thats almost as dumb as the other reasons you weer LOOKING for to quit. jeez, you shoulda just quit, you obviosly don't know anything about drums then.

[GhostGrooveMike]

One lesson from dennis won't change you. Infact you have to be quite good to even be taught by him.

[Undisco Kidd]

If you will never be happy with drumming until you can do one handed rolls why playing 32nds at 240 bpm on a single bass pedal, while participating in a gay orgy, I suggest you kill yourself.

[White]

I have to tell you (I mean the people disscurage me) that I don't give a f ck.
And I am gonna stay at MX forums (as the admin lets me stay) cause there are a few people that support each other and don't rush to judge people.
For the rest of you ,I just don't care.

no, Just ab out everyone told you not to quit. Mainly because you had a stupid reason to quit. And speaking of that. I Hardly beleive that some guy you were talking to Just went "Hey Everybody this guy says he can hit XXX Beats Per Second" in a bar, and everyone laughed because they knew what beats per second were, and yeah, just because there is a prodigy is even dumber reason to quit. A reason why you should quit, is because your looking for reasons to quit.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I don't need to move to america to be taught by a pro. My teacher used to tour as a session drummer and hes rather good, i dont see why it matters if your taught by a 'master'. as long as the drummer you learn from has experiance and knows how to play drums at a high standard then its all good.

[Banshee]

This isn't a blog. If you want to quit because your not good enough to learn from someone who is probably very good, then go for it.


And, Who do you think taugh dennis "champers"?
Average joe drummer, thats who.

im not certain of this

[Massik Kretal]

LEAVE YOU PUSSY!!

[CARMEN77]

You should study under Josiah he is 3l33t

[rohbit]

You should study under Josiah he is 3l33t

I suggest Bone instead. He eats oats.

[Drum Phil]

They're not as bastards as us? Thats horrible grammar.

You scream "im only 8 and want attention" at me :) Metaphorically of course

[rohbit]

He don't speek nglish 2 good Phil. He no America from.

[Plan B.]

I didn't read the thread but

LIVE ON MY BROTHER!!!

[Jezen]

Plan B you are such a hippie. I love you man!

[Plan B.]

:lol:

[SkaRabbit]

i once got paid £5 to run about 1km to hug a tree in a mans garden

[zildjian1992]

I think this is the funniest thread I've ever read....Champers, pssshhhhhhh

[FockerTheLopper]

Your so strange but its good to hear you started drumming again.

[Double Bass Jim]

So I was browsin the net and I came across this video of this little black kid playin drums... He's 12 and DAMN is he good!

It almost makes me wanna quit playing! Infact I did... Today I decided to quit!

[Massik Kretal]

That video is like the Ring video. lol

[aznriceball]

study with Denis Champers

with those words, iv already formed an opinion of you. i dont care what language you think you speak, learn someones name. cantonese is my native language, btw, so don't try and pawn that off.

[ZeppaMusic]

lol ^

[Double Bass Jim]

He's a champ alright

I'm about as close as you can be to being clinically retarded and even I can spell that name right.

[FockerTheLopper]

He's a champ alright

I'm about as close as you can be to being clinically retarded and even I can spell that name right.
You know your a moron if Jim plays the role of Josiah towards you.

[Double Bass Jim]

I don't play a role

[aznriceball]

So now we just dedicate that entire logic/mindset to Josiah?

[Josiah]

Awww... come on now

How do you know I'm really not jim?

[aznriceball]

o_O

Well there was that one time..


No, if that happened then the universe would implode.

[Massik Kretal]

Hmm maybe Jim is Josiah....and since Jim is a nice guy he needs a dark side where he can release all the anger on noobs.

Maybe....just maybe...

[aznriceball]

Well..Jim does hate commies..and Josiah has a Hitler avatar.

How deep is too deep?

[moogoogaipan]

How deep is too deep?
when you can't push it in any farther

[Double Bass Jim]

Haha fruity

[Massik Kretal]

:naughty:

[Josiah]

Yes, That's It, I Could Be Jim. Or Perhaps Jim Is Me? Maybe We Are Both George...

[Double Bass Jim]

Haha my old typin

[Massik Kretal]

You work quick Jim switching users....pshh you dont have 56k!

[Josiah]

Well "Jim" is the admin. I can have as many names to post under at a given time if I want. Josiah might be the one posting under Jim and Jim under Josiah but if I post under my other name, wich nobody has caught on too yet. Then who knows who Josiah is posting under?

[aznriceball]

Big powerful strokes my sont?

[Massik Kretal]

Yeah what happened to him?

[Josiah]

Perhaps he has a life in the real world to attend to... unlike all of us that are on here all the time - living fat happy and large never leaving our swivel chairs.

[Massik Kretal]

Wait I know who your posting as Josiah!

FLAMACUE! :lol:

But nah I talk to him on MSN so probably not...

[Double Bass Jim]

"You know what ole' jack burton says at a time like this"

[Josiah]

Awww it gets worse?!

[Damo]

But the real reason I was quiting drumming was that I thought that I would never have the chance to study with Denis Champers or Dave Weckle.Because behind every good drummer ,is a very good instuctor.

So very untrue - Many great players dont know the first thing about communicating their knowledge to students. Playing and teaching are very separate skills.

I don't say that my instuctor can't teach me.But what if I studied with Thomas Lang?
What if? Youd still be learning the same foundation stuff that any teacher could teach you. Simply, you wouldnt NEED a teacher like Thomas Lang to teach you stuff that other people could. Besides, how often would a guy like that seriously be available to teach you, with his clinic commitments?

So I decided to spend all my summer working as a slave, to save up money so I can come to USA and take a course of lessons from an Elite drummer, so I know the right path that follows to success like Tony royster.
Success is about 10% skill and 90% networking. Although there is no doubt your options improve by moving to a more bustling and active city, success doesnt just happen because of location. You need to throw luck, organisation, commitment, and even money into the mix before you even think of becoming a Tony Royster Jr.... Who is doing what these days?

I don't even care for what you think of me.I was in a period of bad self confidence.but not anymore.
I am gonna do whatever it takes to become as good as I want to be.
so if the solution is to study with Denis Champers ,I am gonna fu..ckin do it.
That is not the solution. Dare I say, the solution is more than likely going to be an attitude adjustment on your behalf. You'll learn from EVERYONE if youre open to it, even those you consider less skilled than yourself.

[Blank]

Wasn't this thread about quitting...or something.
Meh.

I ate 10 chicken wings...
Sweaty...

[some jive turkey]

That video is like the Ring video. lol

lol
True, those who watch it give up drumming, even if it's just momentarily, while you're like "DAYIM" *jaw dropps*

[ZeppaMusic]

yeah close this, it has become utterly stupid!!

and i dont think watching that video makes ya want to Quit, makes ya want to try more so you can become that good!

[metallas]

Well, I never said that a very good drummer is also a very good instructor, as he may be not that good on explaining techniques.
My instructor is the best drummer and instructor around here, I love him and I will always admire him.Everything I know now is a result of his and mine efforts.
However you cannot understand how drumming in Greece is.The knowledge is very limited.
Only young people (maybe up to 25 year old drummers, there are exceptions of course) who know how to use the internet (yes, there are 5 year old kinds that can do this, but not the old drummers in Greece) and are serious with their drumming know about moeller or heel toe or other usefull techniques for adnanced drumming.
My instructor was informed about heel toe by me, cause I learned about it here in mx forums.
Do you believe that there are many drummers that will use the net to improve their drumming? They don't even know that you can paly doubles on the bass drum, or that it is possible to execute one handed roll.
My instructor is dedicated to drumming, he practises for hours every day,but without the right tools (moeller-heel toe or whatever ) he will never get as good as drummers that practise the same hours WITH the benefit of these tools.
So I want to come in USA to find a good instructor for a course of lessons.
He will show me the moeller (and stuff) tech (which I am going to develop on my own).That's all.
I am sorry for my English but there is nothing I can do right now.
end of story

[Carn]

"heel toe" and "moeller" have been around for ages. If your teacher has had any formal education he should know about these things. Maybe in a different name but the techniques themselves are almost as old as the drumset.

[Josiah]

metellas that's totally horse ****.

You have the internet (duh)

Amazon ships to you.

There is no reason why, if you want to learn anything about drums, you can't.




You have more edcuational resources at your disposal then ANYONE prior to 1990.

[Cocaberry]

Yeah, Josiah's right. And if you want someone to show you this stuff "in person" and you can't find a teacher that knows it just buy a good video/DVD and watch it over and over till you understand it and practice it till you get it.

If you have any questions about any technique, thats what D&P is here for.

EDIT: Typo. I didn't mean "MX" I meant "D&P"

[Zildjian]

what the hell?

[metallas]

Yeah, Josiah's right. And if you want someone to show you this stuff "in person" and you can't find a teacher that knows it just buy a good video/DVD and watch it over and over till you understand it and practice it till you get it.

If you have any questions about any technique, thats what D&P is here for.

EDIT: Typo. I didn't mean "MX" I meant "D&P"

I asked for advice or a DVD to buy but noone said nothing.I said that I want to learn which hand technique is the best and noone answered.
I had started a thread about the finger technique,moeller or anything else for hands but....
I am sure that Josiah can remember my thread "Wrists or fingers? if both how''

So, what can I do?

[Jezen]

Well, I never said that a very good drummer is also a very good instructor, as he may be not that good on explaining techniques.

Wtf? Yes you did. You're full of sh!t man.

Because behind every good drummer ,is a very good instuctor.


Proven..

[chickensandwiches]

metallas you, my good chap, are a horses backside:wave:

[FL3P]

Just play the damn drums! What does it matter how good you are as long as you enjoy it? Half the kids on here would wipe the floor with me and I couldnt care less, I sit down and bang away and it makes me happy.

[fiojamdrummer]

OMG!! This thread is SO stupid!! I'm just lost for words.......

[Josiah]

I asked for advice or a DVD to buy but noone said nothing.I said that I want to learn which hand technique is the best and noone answered.
I had started a thread about the finger technique,moeller or anything else for hands but....
I am sure that Josiah can remember my thread "Wrists or fingers? if both how''

So, what can I do?

No hand technique is the best. You have to work things out for yourself. The most common (by a long ways) is american matched (or american trad). Using a combonation of fulcrum, finger and wrist to control the stick.



For starters. VicFirth.com has a ton of educational videos, even on hand technique. Doms cyber lessons... study them all then. Chapins on 2 or 3 of him, he's the master. Study his hands.

Buy yourself stick control, buy yourself new breed, buy yourself a decent metronome... have at it.


You don't need an instructor, just the will to learn and an open mind in approaching learning. Also keep in mind, drums are VERY hard, one of the hardest instruments to learn. It takes a number of years of dedicated practice to become proficient at.

If you want wicked chops, etc it's simply time + dedication. Expect upwards of 7-10 years to start getting really good.


However the fastest way to learn is to be able to read. Learn to read well, and you're learning times will be drastically shorter then others.

[Skin Beater]

No hand technique is the best. You have to work things out for yourself. The most common (by a long ways) is american matched (or american trad). Using a combonation of fulcrum, finger and wrist to control the stick.



For starters. VicFirth.com has a ton of educational videos, even on hand technique. Doms cyber lessons... study them all then. Chapins on 2 or 3 of him, he's the master. Study his hands.

Buy yourself stick control, buy yourself new breed, buy yourself a decent metronome... have at it.


You don't need an instructor, just the will to learn and an open mind in approaching learning. Also keep in mind, drums are VERY hard, one of the hardest instruments to learn. It takes a number of years of dedicated practice to become proficient at.

If you want wicked chops, etc it's simply time + dedication. Expect upwards of 7-10 years to start getting really good.


However the fastest way to learn is to be able to read. Learn to read well, and you're learning times will be drastically shorter then others.

Listen to the man...

[chickensandwiches]

THE man

[White]

So I was browsin the net and I came across this video of this little black kid playin drums... He's 12 and DAMN is he good!

It almost makes me wanna quit playing! Infact I did... Today I decided to quit!

wow lol one of the First times I ahve seen old Jimbo mock someone lol.

[Drumass]

stupid emo kid, just get inspired and practice

[ZeppaMusic]

metallas you, my good chap, are a horses backside:wave:

:naughty:

[White]

I vote We Ostracize Metallas (Vote him out of MX lol)

[Cocaberry]

I second that.

[Double Bass Jim]

wow lol one of the First times I ahve seen old Jimbo mock someone lol.
Sometimes ya gotta pull em outta the holsters

[DethChamber999]

I want to study with Jason Bittner from Shadows Fall..he does lessons. I wonder how much they are?

[thenewguy515]

i can't decide which is funnier, the threadstarter being an attention whore, or the "Jim is Josiah" argument. i love this thread.

[thenewguy515]

Well, I never said that a very good drummer is also a very good instructor, as he may be not that good on explaining techniques.
My instructor is the best drummer and instructor around here, I love him and I will always admire him.Everything I know now is a result of his and mine efforts.
However you cannot understand how drumming in Greece is.The knowledge is very limited.
Only young people (maybe up to 25 year old drummers, there are exceptions of course) who know how to use the internet (yes, there are 5 year old kinds that can do this, but not the old drummers in Greece) and are serious with their drumming know about moeller or heel toe or other usefull techniques for adnanced drumming.
My instructor was informed about heel toe by me, cause I learned about it here in mx forums.
Do you believe that there are many drummers that will use the net to improve their drumming? They don't even know that you can paly doubles on the bass drum, or that it is possible to execute one handed roll.
My instructor is dedicated to drumming, he practises for hours every day,but without the right tools (moeller-heel toe or whatever ) he will never get as good as drummers that practise the same hours WITH the benefit of these tools.
So I want to come in USA to find a good instructor for a course of lessons.
He will show me the moeller (and stuff) tech (which I am going to develop on my own).That's all.
I am sorry for my English but there is nothing I can do right now.
end of story
you are a moron, josiah whored you, jim whored you, twice, and moeller and heel-toe are two different things, you combined them. this is one of the most pointless(and entertaining) threads i have seen in a while, i have been playing for about 8 months and i seem know more about drum concepts than you do, i have never had a teacher, unless you count my stepdad who showed me some basic beats and whatnot to get me started.

[White]

Sometimes ya gotta pull em outta the holsters

HAHA, wow, I actually laughed out loud at that.

[some jive turkey]

Another thing,

You definately don't need to more to the United States to become a better drummer. You're geographical coordinates have virtually nothing to do with your skills. I personally have seen a number of imigrants come here, and I don't think they had anything close to a realistic idea of what it's like here. I think a number of them had the wrong idea about it. I don't know why this is.

Being in the US won't make you a better drummer.
Disciplined practice will. Exposing yourself to new ideas through books, videos, teachers, communicating with other drummers will help also.

Order some books, get to work, have fun.

EDIT:
Also, if you think Greece is so backwards-*** about drumming, then it shouldn't be that difficult to rise to the top of your local scene, and become a desireable, in-demand musician. heck, maybe I should move to Greece. it's a beautiful country, and I could just cruise over to Istanbul whenever I felt like it for a sweet deal on cymbals.
hmmmm *starts daydreaming*

[Double Bass Jim]

HAHA, wow, I actually laughed out loud at that.
Haha glad to see someone found the humor in it

[Plan B.]

Good 'ole six shooters, I'm more of a .22 guy muhself.

I still got two pistolas though, mainly used for settlin' the score at card games;

on my left ------------------------- on my right

Bessie ------------------------------ Amber




Amber's got that nice glossy wood finished handle, that's why I named her that, makes me feel nice n' warm.

Bessie's just a beast, she kicks like a wild buckin' mare at the wrong time of the month if you know what I mean!

[FockerTheLopper]

Another thing,

You definately don't need to more to the United States to become a better drummer. You're geographical coordinates have virtually nothing to do with your skills. I personally have seen a number of imigrants come here, and I don't think they had anything close to a realistic idea of what it's like here. I think a number of them had the wrong idea about it. I don't know why this is.

Being in the US won't make you a better drummer.
Disciplined practice will. Exposing yourself to new ideas through books, videos, teachers, communicating with other drummers will help also.

Order some books, get to work, have fun.

EDIT:
Also, if you think Greece is so backwards-*** about drumming, then it shouldn't be that difficult to rise to the top of your local scene, and become a desireable, in-demand musician. heck, maybe I should move to Greece. it's a beautiful country, and I could just cruise over to Istanbul whenever I felt like it for a sweet deal on cymbals.
hmmmm *starts daydreaming*
Hehe, I'm doing that this summer, my island is right next to turkey I'm going to go to the factory and hopefully stack up on cymbals.